Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] CyberSec For Creative Humans
At the creation level, the value is in having software that does not require activation. That rules out paid software like Windows video editors (and lightworks) and sound editors. It also rules out Windows. If someone installs US from a new iso on an offline machine, there is no network and nothing can phone home, yet everything works. if codecs are missing from the ISO, they can be fetched by flash drive and again brought in for offline installation. Easy way: install also to a laptop, pull the packages somewhere else, save them from the APT cache, bring them home. Actually this codec issue is does complicate things just enough to require someone with some computer skills to set up the machine. This is an issue because of cameras that shoot to H264 or other patented codecs. On Windows we would be talking about activation on a particular machine, plus the use of currency over the network, itself an issue that could identify the owner of the system. We also have no proof that proprietary editors are not watermarking output in some way, possibly even enough to identify a particular license. We do know that many printers do this, after all. On 10/29/2015 at 7:25 PM, "Len Ovens" wrote: > >On Thu, 29 Oct 2015, set wrote: > >> On 2015-10-29 23:44, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: >>> Yes-a secure, untraceable posting requires that the user do >absolutely NOTHING else >>> in the entire session. >> >> Or, you put it on a usb-stick, go to a cybercafé with make-up >and funky >> hair and pay cash >> >>> Encryption's value is in the hands of someone willing to defy a >subpeona regardless of the >>> penalties (to not snitch) and able to remember a strong >passphrase and use it right. >> >> This is very deep. For real. (Besides also being modern love-song >> material!) It's the core of information-transmission in any >form: value >> of, and in trust. >> >> But how does ubuntustudio translate this? How does the awareness >of the >> vulnerability of a computer integrate with the creative process? > >Having read some of these things... I think there are two distinct >actions >involved here. Artistic creation and distribution. It is >reasonable in >some cases even on a machine that is never conected to the network >to want >to ensure the disk is not readable by anyone but the owner. That >is what >an encrypted disk is for. However, I think the art of distribution >in an >untracable way is probably outside the scope of Ubuntu Studio. > >So being able to create a clean (metadata wise) >Audio/video/graphic is >something that should be doable with studio, but having SW that >protects >browsers or allows traceless connection is not. I think there are >two >reasons for this. One is that Ubuntu would not want to be seen as >a >"cracker's" tool kit (or criminal's tool kit). The other, is that >I think >someone who's life depends on their online security would want to >build >that security from the bottom up so that _they_ know what they >have and >can be sure they have done their best and that the security they >are >relying on is not a trap to catch them in the first place. > >-- >Len Ovens >www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] CyberSec For Creative Humans
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015, set wrote: On 2015-10-29 23:44, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Yes-a secure, untraceable posting requires that the user do absolutely NOTHING else in the entire session. Or, you put it on a usb-stick, go to a cybercafé with make-up and funky hair and pay cash Encryption's value is in the hands of someone willing to defy a subpeona regardless of the penalties (to not snitch) and able to remember a strong passphrase and use it right. This is very deep. For real. (Besides also being modern love-song material!) It's the core of information-transmission in any form: value of, and in trust. But how does ubuntustudio translate this? How does the awareness of the vulnerability of a computer integrate with the creative process? Having read some of these things... I think there are two distinct actions involved here. Artistic creation and distribution. It is reasonable in some cases even on a machine that is never conected to the network to want to ensure the disk is not readable by anyone but the owner. That is what an encrypted disk is for. However, I think the art of distribution in an untracable way is probably outside the scope of Ubuntu Studio. So being able to create a clean (metadata wise) Audio/video/graphic is something that should be doable with studio, but having SW that protects browsers or allows traceless connection is not. I think there are two reasons for this. One is that Ubuntu would not want to be seen as a "cracker's" tool kit (or criminal's tool kit). The other, is that I think someone who's life depends on their online security would want to build that security from the bottom up so that _they_ know what they have and can be sure they have done their best and that the security they are relying on is not a trap to catch them in the first place. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] CyberSec For Creative Humans
On 2015-10-29 23:44, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > Yes-a secure, untraceable posting requires that the user do absolutely > NOTHING else > in the entire session. Or, you put it on a usb-stick, go to a cybercafé with make-up and funky hair and pay cash > Encryption's value is in the hands of someone willing to defy a subpeona > regardless of the > penalties (to not snitch) and able to remember a strong passphrase and use it > right. This is very deep. For real. (Besides also being modern love-song material!) It's the core of information-transmission in any form: value of, and in trust. But how does ubuntustudio translate this? How does the awareness of the vulnerability of a computer integrate with the creative process? -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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Yes-a secure, untraceable posting requires that the user do absolutely NOTHING else in the entire session. There are multiple security levels in question here, from a high school student blowing the whistle on a "gropy" principal to releasing video of police brutality in a corrupt town (or country), all the way to the Snowden level of material that could change the course of war, trade agreements, or diplomacy. The main reason I suggested TAILS is that use of any live disk insulates the machine against spyware inserted during a previous session. Needless to say, if the user has to go online to figure out how to use Tor safely, the session is blown and another location and time must be used. Same for having to download Torbrowser, which also is increasingly blocked by IP's trying to indirectly block Tor via "chicken and egg." With TAILS some basic security settings (including disguising the theme as Windows) are asked about at boot time. Of course, at the Snowden level if spyware inserted into the current session reveals a real IP address you need to be on a connection not traceable to you and not on a security camera, and if it reveals a CPU ID you need to be using a one-use, expendable computer. A new bottom-barrel laptop costs no more than an hour or two of a lawyer's time, and two hours of a top-notch laywer's time costs as much as a burn laptop, a burn cellular wifi access point. and prepaid with cash airtime cards all combined. Thus, Tor is but one layer in a multilayered defense. Single-layer defenses usually get penetrated sooner or later. Even at the level of posting a video of the local cops beating someone up, the combination of Tor with use of a public access point and a new account on the host service created that same session can mean being able to sleep at night without worrying about a police raid for something like "wiretapping"(overturned in MD but not in never-litigated states) or a subpeona for raw clips. Encryption's value is in the hands of someone willing to defy a subpeona regardless of the penalties (to not snitch) and able to remember a strong passphrase and use it right. It is known that the use of encrypted email frustrated British cops and the FBI during the Huntingdon Life Sciences (vivisection) campaign, and that a UK key disclosure order was defied and the defiance gotten away with by the activists in that campaign. Dealing with any cyber-adversary (even the ad networks) is in fact a form of warfare. Both offense and defense exist and the balance of power is ever-changing. Also the importance of training: it's a lot easier to keep something secure and yet get the job done when you are intimately familar with the tools in question. On 10/29/2015 at 6:13 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > >A few notes from the ... > >> On 29.10.2015, at 22:35, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: >> TAILS > >... homepage. > >"Even though we do our best to offer you good tools to protect >your privacy while using a computer, there is no magic or perfect >solution to such a complex problem. Understanding well the limits >of such tools is a crucial step to, first, decide whether Tails is >the right tool for you, and second, make a good use of it." > >"A global passive adversary would be a person or an entity able to >monitor at the same time the traffic between all the computers in >a network. By studying, for example, the timing and volume >patterns of the different communications across the network, it >would be statistically possible to identify Tor circuits and thus >match Tor users and destination servers." > >"It is usually not advisable to use the same Tails session to >perform two tasks or endorse two contextual identities that you >really want to keep separate from one another. For example hiding >your location to check your email and anonymously publishing a >document. >First, because Tor tends to reuse the same circuits, for example, >within the same browsing session. Since the exit node of a circuit >knows both the destination server (and possibly the content of the >communication if it's not encrypted) and the address of the >previous relay it received the communication from, it makes it >easier to correlate several browsing requests as part of a same >circuit and possibly made by the same user. If you are facing a >global adversary as described above, it might then also be in a >position to do this correlation. > >Second, in case of a security hole or an error in using Tails or >one of its applications, information about your session could be >leaked. That could reveal that the same person was behind the >various actions made during the session." > >Résumé > >The user can not simply use a distro to be secure, the user still >needs to learn how to use the distro. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-stud
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On 2015-10-29 23:13, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The user can not simply use a distro to be secure, the user still needs > to learn how to use the distro. In terms of PR & Support, i think this is the only thing ubuntustudio really needs to be explaining. However, A good selection of basic but sourced documentation, is an excellent addition to the PR & Support tool-set. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
A few notes from the ... > On 29.10.2015, at 22:35, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > TAILS ... homepage. "Even though we do our best to offer you good tools to protect your privacy while using a computer, there is no magic or perfect solution to such a complex problem. Understanding well the limits of such tools is a crucial step to, first, decide whether Tails is the right tool for you, and second, make a good use of it." "A global passive adversary would be a person or an entity able to monitor at the same time the traffic between all the computers in a network. By studying, for example, the timing and volume patterns of the different communications across the network, it would be statistically possible to identify Tor circuits and thus match Tor users and destination servers." "It is usually not advisable to use the same Tails session to perform two tasks or endorse two contextual identities that you really want to keep separate from one another. For example hiding your location to check your email and anonymously publishing a document. First, because Tor tends to reuse the same circuits, for example, within the same browsing session. Since the exit node of a circuit knows both the destination server (and possibly the content of the communication if it's not encrypted) and the address of the previous relay it received the communication from, it makes it easier to correlate several browsing requests as part of a same circuit and possibly made by the same user. If you are facing a global adversary as described above, it might then also be in a position to do this correlation. Second, in case of a security hole or an error in using Tails or one of its applications, information about your session could be leaked. That could reveal that the same person was behind the various actions made during the session." Résumé The user can not simply use a distro to be secure, the user still needs to learn how to use the distro.-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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I'd like to break this out of the previous thread if you don't mind. You guys are piling up gold, and i think it could become useful. Please excuse my large scissors: The quotes are heavily but hopefully respectfully edited. Like you i believe you said Ralf, i think it's better to dump the "activist" word, but i think it could be fair to say "users facing malign counter-interests" ? I Propose there will be a wiki page created, with useful thoughts and good cyberhygenia practices for creative humans. lukefromdc wrote: Category: *Graphics, Audio, Video:* > The critical issues are photo editing with removal of EXIF metadata, video > editing with a stable version of Kdenlive, and (easiest) audio editing using > Audacity, which is simpler to use than Ardour and has never had phone > home code in it. > get > all the clips into encrypted storage and wipe the camera card with random > numbers. > > stay entirely out of the widely circulated hardware > and OS databases kept by the ad networks and subject at any time to subpeona > or simply purchase by any nation's security agencies. This is the reason for > the > extreme amount of browser lockdown. If Firefox gets useless, I suppose I > could > simply add all of Disconnect's blocklist to /etc/hosts and use Rekonq with JS > disabled by default, opening only known safe sites with JS enabled and > boycotting > any site that mixes necessary with unsafe JS. Category: *System-wide* > There is also the very complex browser security issue, not one browser is > anywhere near secure by default except for torbrowser. None the less > I will offer tips for securing Firefox (...) > Probably I will have to recommend that Firefox be pinned at > installation of 15.10 or older and warn that this means no security updates. Ralf Mardorf wrote: Category: Category *System-wide hygenia:* > The best hint for > unexperienced computer users doing journalism subject to malign > counter-interest, > is not to use a computer for journalism at all. >> It might be useful to clarify some issues with browsers, e.g: >> - Problems with auto-completion of search engines, safe browsing, >> but also when a sandbox is useful or not. >> - Why wrong usage of >> encryption and signing is more dangerous, then being aware that >> data isn't safe. >> A high level of security and a user-friendly OOTB average desktop >> experience are mutually exclusive. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
Simplest approach: US on a non-networked, encrypted desktop to make media and strip metadata that can identify cameras, plus a laptop used with TAILS to handle posting the materal from offsite connections. On 10/29/2015 at 4:47 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > >> On 29.10.2015, at 19:37, set wrote: >> >>> On 2015-10-29 18:22, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: >>> I agree with this. No way in Hell I would set up a machine for >my sister with >>> Debian Unstable, and not one of the Ubuntu flavors are involved >in the whole >>> Unity controversy. >> >> Please consider writing a guide on how to use ubuntustudio and >what to >> think of when engaging in activism and source-protective >journalism! >> That could also make a great post on http://ubuntustudio.org > >Perhaps activism shouldn't be mentioned regarding legal issues. >"Activism" in context of computers has much to do with >"Distributed Denial of Servic", "Guerilla Open Access Manifesto" >and some kind of hacktivism even is considered as being an issue >for free journalism. > >The averaged hacktivist doesn't need hints and the best hint for >unexperienced computer users such as journalists, is not to use a >computer for journalism at all and not to own a mobile or tablet >PC. > >It might be useful to clarify some issues with browsers, e.g. >problems with auto-completion of search engines, safe browsing, >but also when a sandbox is useful or not. Why wrong usage of >encryption and signing is more dangerous, then being aware that >data isn't safe. Even the man page of "shred" informs that the >default file system used by Ubuntu Studio renders "shred" useless. >Enabling popcon and stuf like this shouldn't be done. > >A high level of security and a user-friendly OOTB average desktop >experience are mutually exclusive. > >Regards, >Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
You are so right about mobile phones and tablets-they are incredibly dangerous and thus I do not own one. Even a dumb phone is kept batteries out unless making a call, which has to be done from places my presence can be admitted to. When I think of online activism, I am speaking of organizing people in ways that lead to boots on the ground, of posting news reports and communiques afterwards, that kind of thing. My news reports for the Baltimore Uprising were an example, and after the shit hit the fan there, I feared that the cops would try a general sweep for journalists as happened in another city after a riot. I had to escape and evade early, hurredly get all the clips into encrypted storage and wipe the camera card with random numbers. I also knew where NOT to point the camera, for instance at anyone breaking windows. I have gone out of my way to stay entirely out of the widely circulated hardware and OS databases kept by the ad networks and subject at any time to subpeona or simply purchase by any nation's security agencies. This is the reason for the extreme amount of browser lockdown. If Firefox gets useless, I suppose I could simply add all of Disconnect's blocklist to /etc/hosts and use Rekonq with JS disabled by default, opening only known safe sites with JS enabled and boycotting any site that mixes necessary with unsafe JS. On 10/29/2015 at 4:47 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > >> On 29.10.2015, at 19:37, set wrote: >> >>> On 2015-10-29 18:22, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: >>> I agree with this. No way in Hell I would set up a machine for >my sister with >>> Debian Unstable, and not one of the Ubuntu flavors are involved >in the whole >>> Unity controversy. >> >> Please consider writing a guide on how to use ubuntustudio and >what to >> think of when engaging in activism and source-protective >journalism! >> That could also make a great post on http://ubuntustudio.org > >Perhaps activism shouldn't be mentioned regarding legal issues. >"Activism" in context of computers has much to do with >"Distributed Denial of Servic", "Guerilla Open Access Manifesto" >and some kind of hacktivism even is considered as being an issue >for free journalism. > >The averaged hacktivist doesn't need hints and the best hint for >unexperienced computer users such as journalists, is not to use a >computer for journalism at all and not to own a mobile or tablet >PC. > >It might be useful to clarify some issues with browsers, e.g. >problems with auto-completion of search engines, safe browsing, >but also when a sandbox is useful or not. Why wrong usage of >encryption and signing is more dangerous, then being aware that >data isn't safe. Even the man page of "shred" informs that the >default file system used by Ubuntu Studio renders "shred" useless. >Enabling popcon and stuf like this shouldn't be done. > >A high level of security and a user-friendly OOTB average desktop >experience are mutually exclusive. > >Regards, >Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
An update of Firefox that diabled NoScript or Canvasblocker would make the browser no longer usable for security work. If the lack of updates is unsafe than NO version of Firefox would remain useful. On 10/29/2015 at 5:02 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > >> On 29.10.2015, at 21:43, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: >> >> torbrowser > >... is useful for one kind of security, but for another kind of >security sandboxing done by Chrome is useful. Not updating >browsers could be very risky. >-- >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list >ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
> On 29.10.2015, at 21:43, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > > torbrowser ... is useful for one kind of security, but for another kind of security sandboxing done by Chrome is useful. Not updating browsers could be very risky. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
> On 29.10.2015, at 21:43, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > > removal of EXIF metadata This indeed is useful, but there's other metadata for graphic too. It could be useful to make screenshots of graphic, to get rid of all kinds of metadata. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
> On 29.10.2015, at 19:37, set wrote: > >> On 2015-10-29 18:22, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: >> I agree with this. No way in Hell I would set up a machine for my sister with >> Debian Unstable, and not one of the Ubuntu flavors are involved in the whole >> Unity controversy. > > Please consider writing a guide on how to use ubuntustudio and what to > think of when engaging in activism and source-protective journalism! > That could also make a great post on http://ubuntustudio.org Perhaps activism shouldn't be mentioned regarding legal issues. "Activism" in context of computers has much to do with "Distributed Denial of Servic", "Guerilla Open Access Manifesto" and some kind of hacktivism even is considered as being an issue for free journalism. The averaged hacktivist doesn't need hints and the best hint for unexperienced computer users such as journalists, is not to use a computer for journalism at all and not to own a mobile or tablet PC. It might be useful to clarify some issues with browsers, e.g. problems with auto-completion of search engines, safe browsing, but also when a sandbox is useful or not. Why wrong usage of encryption and signing is more dangerous, then being aware that data isn't safe. Even the man page of "shred" informs that the default file system used by Ubuntu Studio renders "shred" useless. Enabling popcon and stuf like this shouldn't be done. A high level of security and a user-friendly OOTB average desktop experience are mutually exclusive. Regards, Ralf-- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
One limiting factor will be that I do not have the bandwidth to download the latest .iso's to check installation details so I will have to refer to external postings for things like setting up encryption. None of the realtime audio issues affect making news audio or video, so many of the complex issues that US has had to deal with for the more complex music creation don't come up. For use cases where they do (e.g political rap) I do not have the experience to address that part of the picture. The critical issues are photo editing with removal of EXIF metadata, video editing with a stable version of Kdenlive, and (easiest) audio editing using Audacity, which is simpler to use than Ardour and has never had phone home code in it. Also the now very ugly browser privacy and security issue, and the severe problems at Mozila that in fact threaten the future of this. Kdenlive is an issue right now. The 15.08 used in Wily is stable enough for short projects but becomes buggy as hell on long ones-the release notes even warn of this. Vivid has only 0.9.10 which is seriously obsolete. so probably I would have to make note of plans at Kdenlive that the 15.12 or 16.04 version that will presumably be in US 16.04 LTS would be much more stable, as was the 15.04 version that no version of Ubuntu distributed except via PPA. There is talk of directly targetting US 16.04 for a seriously debugged version, however. There is also the very complex browser security issue, not one browser is anywhere near secure by default except for torbrowser. None the less I will offer tips for securing Firefox, with the caveat that Mozilla has deprecated the entire extension infrastructure and that updates to the upcoming Firefox 43 will probably have to be blocked unless the needed extensions all get signed-and that a still unknown later version will have to be rejected unless they either delay removing support for the old extensions. all of them get ported over, or the now proposed compatability layer works well enough. Probably I will have to recommend that Firefox be pinned at installation of 15.10 or older and warn that this means no security updates. Mozilla's current behavior is bad enough to turn the browser security issue into a "not for amateurs" issue unless all activity is to be over Tor simply to avoid Firefox's phoning home. In fact, as an "insecure" browser used only to get past a captive portal I think GNOME Web and Rekonq are both safer than a non-expert install of Firefox at this point, simply to keep Mozilla from having logs of the connections to the wifi access points. On 10/29/2015 at 2:38 PM, "set" wrote: > >On 2015-10-29 18:22, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: >> I agree with this. No way in Hell I would set up a machine for >my sister with >> Debian Unstable, and not one of the Ubuntu flavors are involved >in the whole >> Unity controversy. > >Please consider writing a guide on how to use ubuntustudio and >what to >think of when engaging in activism and source-protective >journalism! >That could also make a great post on http://ubuntustudio.org > >*set > >-- >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list >ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On 2015-10-29 18:22, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > I agree with this. No way in Hell I would set up a machine for my sister with > Debian Unstable, and not one of the Ubuntu flavors are involved in the whole > Unity controversy. Please consider writing a guide on how to use ubuntustudio and what to think of when engaging in activism and source-protective journalism! That could also make a great post on http://ubuntustudio.org *set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
I agree with this. No way in Hell I would set up a machine for my sister with Debian Unstable, and not one of the Ubuntu flavors are involved in the whole Unity controversy. The needs of a hacker preferring a rolling release and those of a Window refugee are nearly opposite oneanother On 10/29/2015 at 11:44 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > >>> The reasons might help to find contributors (and to win more >users): >>> >>> - Ubuntu is the most known major distro >>> - Ubuntu has got a past and a future [1] >>> - Ubuntu follows the user-friendly approach with all it's pros >and >>> cons. For Linux beginners just the pros of the user-friendly >approach >>> counts, so it makes sense to contribute to Ubuntu, to spread >Linux. >> >> This is a great start to 3 potential posts on >http://ubuntustudio.org It >> would be awsome if you could develop these 3 points further and >post it >> here!! > >1. Ubuntu is the most known major distro >= >It doesn't matter what distrowatch claims, since the number one >"Mint" is neither user-friendly, nor well supported. If Mint users >need help, they send requests to the Debian or Ubuntu Mailing >list. People who know nothing about Linux have heard the Name >Ubuntu, a lot of clueless people think that Ubuntu is Linux. > >2. Ubuntu has got a past and a future >=== >Ubuntu isn't just a one-hit wonder. When I started using Linux, >Ubuntu wasn't released. Ubuntu is around now for 10 years, in the >meantime several multimedia distros come and go. Even the few >focused on audio only, that were based on Ubuntu/Debian and could >be used with the official Ubuntu or Debian repositories failed >after a while. Some might still exist, but could cause issues with >official repositories. > >The downside of Ubuntu's future is related to a few facts and >rumors, so I only will explain why the facts are not much >important for a user-friendly approach distro. What is considered >as Ubuntu spyware are features wanted by many clueless users. >Facts are several data sharing applications that indeed are a PITA >for some of us, but for e.g. Windows refugees those usually are >not a problem at all. > >Regarding a poll Arch and Ubuntu are the most used distros by pro- >audio users and Ubuntu Studio is a flavour that exists for several >years, sure it's not that old as Ubuntu is, but it already is >established. Perhaps CCRMA is noteworthy too, but Ubuntu still is >more known by the averaged population. > >3. Ubuntu follows the user friendly approach with all it's pros >and cons >=== >The distro I prefer for me is Arch Linux. Arch is not user >friendly, but much friendlier for my computer usage. If I should >recommend a distro to averaged computer users, I wouldn't >recommend a distro that requires a deep understanding of >computers, such as Arch does. >The averaged user needs something that doesn't come with a complex >learning curve and this is what's provided by the Ubuntu policy. > >4. Why Ubuntu and not Debian, Suse or another user-friendly major >distro? >== >Ubuntu provides free as in beer space and supports so called >"flavours". Other than Debian or Ubuntu derivatives, a flavour is >an official part of Ubuntu, this rules out the well known issues >caused by derivatives. > >Regards, >Ralf >-- >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list >ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
I had no trouble using GIMP for photoediting even on Pentium III class machines. None of the photos were larger than 6MP however. On 10/29/2015 at 7:38 AM, "set" wrote: > >On 2015-10-29 12:27, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> Gimp (and PhotoShop) are for painting/drawing too. >> >> Krita performs on other machines as other apps do? On my machine >it >> performs very bad. It's very, very slow. Does it require special >> graphics settings, CPU and or RAM resources that aren't needed >for GIMP? >> >Yes you can draw with gimp too, and do so very well. But gimp has >MANY >functions and is hence not always suited for painters who do not >really >care about those affinities. I run it on intel core i3 with 4 gb >ram and >no graphic cards, its smooth like a vanilla yogurth. I also run it >on a >intel core i7 with 16gb ram, Nvidia 4gb GTX770 and SSD. The only >difference between both machines i can notice (except from the >obvious >overall system speed increase) is that the 16gb ram one can handle >more >layers. No special settings required... Never crashed, computer >never >said "no".. :) > >Here is a picture i've drawn with it. Nothing else used. At it's >height >it had 17 layers with transparencies and filters and such... Not a >huge >piece of any sort, but proof it works well for what is ment. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On 2015-10-27 11:04, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > This is a job primarily for anyone who would be interested in helping > out with PR & Support, but we don't really have anyone doing that > specifically as of now. If anyone feels up to it, you may take the > initiative on this to develop it further. Todays discussions made my mind bubbly: Publishing a weekly (bi-weekly) post on ubuntustudio.org debriefing what is going on in the user- and the devel-sphere of ubuntustudio, could enhance the transparency, help keep devels and users up to date about priorities and current tasks, and give a broader audience to the opportunities to participate. Creating a few interviews with the people behind the apps we distribute could also be a great way to gather attention to the collective effort and software promotional platform that is ubuntustudio. I'm ready to take the role of dactilographist and compile discussions that have been held here on the list and on IRC, for the group to approve before publishing. And together we could craft a few questions that could be recurrent to software developers and find a few custom question based on the organization/Person interviewed. Having content regularly published on the website, would feed our own existing social network channels with up to date information and hence incite the social network-users to share it or put up links to the website articles by themselves. What do you think? *Set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:02:27 +0100, set wrote: >On 2015-10-29 16:57, set wrote: >> a simple translation from negative sentenses to positive. >> I'll get back to you when i have it done! > >Unless of course, you want to do it? Not today, so please feel free to do it. I will read it and post my 2 Cents here. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:57:46 +0100, set wrote: >Awesome! Ralf! I would very much like to reformulate some of it, with a >simple translation from negative sentenses to positive. I'll get back >to you when i have it done! I wouldn't keep the sentences that way myself ;). Pleas use those words to write something similar :). -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On 2015-10-29 16:57, set wrote: > a simple translation from negative sentenses to positive. > I'll get back to you when i have it done! Unless of course, you want to do it? -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On 2015-10-29 16:43, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > 1. Ubuntu is the most known major distro > = > It doesn't matter what distrowatch claims, since the number one "Mint" is > neither user-friendly, nor well supported. If Mint users need help, they send > requests to the Debian or Ubuntu Mailing list. People who know nothing about > Linux have heard the Name Ubuntu, a lot of clueless people think that Ubuntu > is Linux. > > 2. Ubuntu has got a past and a future > === > Ubuntu isn't just a one-hit wonder. When I started using Linux, Ubuntu wasn't > released. Ubuntu is around now for 10 years, in the meantime several > multimedia distros come and go. Even the few focused on audio only, that were > based on Ubuntu/Debian and could be used with the official Ubuntu or Debian > repositories failed after a while. Some might still exist, but could cause > issues with official repositories. > > The downside of Ubuntu's future is related to a few facts and rumors, so I > only will explain why the facts are not much important for a user-friendly > approach distro. What is considered as Ubuntu spyware are features wanted by > many clueless users. Facts are several data sharing applications that indeed > are a PITA for some of us, but for e.g. Windows refugees those usually are > not a problem at all. > > Regarding a poll Arch and Ubuntu are the most used distros by pro-audio users > and Ubuntu Studio is a flavour that exists for several years, sure it's not > that old as Ubuntu is, but it already is established. Perhaps CCRMA is > noteworthy too, but Ubuntu still is more known by the averaged population. > > 3. Ubuntu follows the user friendly approach with all it's pros and cons > === > The distro I prefer for me is Arch Linux. Arch is not user friendly, but much > friendlier for my computer usage. If I should recommend a distro to averaged > computer users, I wouldn't recommend a distro that requires a deep > understanding of computers, such as Arch does. > The averaged user needs something that doesn't come with a complex learning > curve and this is what's provided by the Ubuntu policy. > > 4. Why Ubuntu and not Debian, Suse or another user-friendly major distro? > == > Ubuntu provides free as in beer space and supports so called "flavours". > Other than Debian or Ubuntu derivatives, a flavour is an official part of > Ubuntu, this rules out the well known issues caused by derivatives. > Awesome! Ralf! I would very much like to reformulate some of it, with a simple translation from negative sentenses to positive. I'll get back to you when i have it done! *set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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>> The reasons might help to find contributors (and to win more users): >> >> - Ubuntu is the most known major distro >> - Ubuntu has got a past and a future [1] >> - Ubuntu follows the user-friendly approach with all it's pros and >> cons. For Linux beginners just the pros of the user-friendly approach >> counts, so it makes sense to contribute to Ubuntu, to spread Linux. > > This is a great start to 3 potential posts on http://ubuntustudio.org It > would be awsome if you could develop these 3 points further and post it > here!! 1. Ubuntu is the most known major distro = It doesn't matter what distrowatch claims, since the number one "Mint" is neither user-friendly, nor well supported. If Mint users need help, they send requests to the Debian or Ubuntu Mailing list. People who know nothing about Linux have heard the Name Ubuntu, a lot of clueless people think that Ubuntu is Linux. 2. Ubuntu has got a past and a future === Ubuntu isn't just a one-hit wonder. When I started using Linux, Ubuntu wasn't released. Ubuntu is around now for 10 years, in the meantime several multimedia distros come and go. Even the few focused on audio only, that were based on Ubuntu/Debian and could be used with the official Ubuntu or Debian repositories failed after a while. Some might still exist, but could cause issues with official repositories. The downside of Ubuntu's future is related to a few facts and rumors, so I only will explain why the facts are not much important for a user-friendly approach distro. What is considered as Ubuntu spyware are features wanted by many clueless users. Facts are several data sharing applications that indeed are a PITA for some of us, but for e.g. Windows refugees those usually are not a problem at all. Regarding a poll Arch and Ubuntu are the most used distros by pro-audio users and Ubuntu Studio is a flavour that exists for several years, sure it's not that old as Ubuntu is, but it already is established. Perhaps CCRMA is noteworthy too, but Ubuntu still is more known by the averaged population. 3. Ubuntu follows the user friendly approach with all it's pros and cons === The distro I prefer for me is Arch Linux. Arch is not user friendly, but much friendlier for my computer usage. If I should recommend a distro to averaged computer users, I wouldn't recommend a distro that requires a deep understanding of computers, such as Arch does. The averaged user needs something that doesn't come with a complex learning curve and this is what's provided by the Ubuntu policy. 4. Why Ubuntu and not Debian, Suse or another user-friendly major distro? == Ubuntu provides free as in beer space and supports so called "flavours". Other than Debian or Ubuntu derivatives, a flavour is an official part of Ubuntu, this rules out the well known issues caused by derivatives. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On 2015-10-29 15:54, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:15:13 +0100, set wrote: >> As for the right amount of contrasts, choice of colors and taste of >> mustache shape, I'd be glad to answer any question regarding how to >> tune it according to personal taste using krita. > > A drawing purposed to be displayed by a MUA already should be optimized > to the lowest common denominator :p. The point was not to show a superbe piece of art to everyones amazement. It was to show that krita works for what it is intended. However, i have displayed it to the *Make Up Artist* i live with (she runs thunderbird on her ubuntustudio), and it didn't get best marks, but was approved. :D > > The bottom of http://ardour.org/ is nearly unreadable on my CRT and the > orange or what ever this colour of the text behind the ** should be on > http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html, is also nearly unreadable on the > CRT. hm... i can read it without any trouble... but i have no CRT. > > On my iPad using the dimmed brightness profile, the bottom of the Ardour > homepage already is good readable, but the orange text of the AV Linux > page depending to environment light still isn't a pleasure to read. > The face of your drawing becomes good visible on the iPad too. I have no CRT, so there is no way for me to verify. But then again i also lack the need to make it compatible with lowest common denominator: I draw for myself. Have you tried calibrating your CRT with a calibrator? > Replication always is an issue, drawings become ugly regarding average > values for magazine printing, audio recordings become muddy when played > on different gear. That is why we have pantone and proofprinting! :) Thanks for bringing it up. This is something that should be mentioned on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UserGuide/Graphics/draftpage > > Perhaps nearly nobody nowadays still uses CRTs and when they were used > by most users, then a lot of people used much brightness and contrast > optimised to the high brightness. When the monitors aged they were > replaced by new monitors, when too much brightness causes headaches, > pills helped. :D > Yeah, ever since i stopped using CRT well, i don't miss my CRT :) -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:15:13 +0100, set wrote: >As for the right amount of contrasts, choice of colors and taste of >mustache shape, I'd be glad to answer any question regarding how to >tune it according to personal taste using krita. A drawing purposed to be displayed by a MUA already should be optimized to the lowest common denominator :p. The bottom of http://ardour.org/ is nearly unreadable on my CRT and the orange or what ever this colour of the text behind the ** should be on http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html, is also nearly unreadable on the CRT. On my iPad using the dimmed brightness profile, the bottom of the Ardour homepage already is good readable, but the orange text of the AV Linux page depending to environment light still isn't a pleasure to read. The face of your drawing becomes good visible on the iPad too. Replication always is an issue, drawings become ugly regarding average values for magazine printing, audio recordings become muddy when played on different gear. Perhaps nearly nobody nowadays still uses CRTs and when they were used by most users, then a lot of people used much brightness and contrast optimised to the high brightness. When the monitors aged they were replaced by new monitors, when too much brightness causes headaches, pills helped. :D -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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On 2015-10-29 13:02, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > It is not a social network and I'm not an official Ubuntu Studio > contributor :p. It's a network of emails, with people, socializing around a theme. But we could argue about the definition's finesses back and forth ad infinitum. > I'm not a member of the church of Linux audio, but I have other reasons > to wish that more people use Linux. > > There are sane reasons to use either Ubuntu and/or Arch Linux as I do. A > Windows refugee most likely would be unable to cope with Arch, so I > would recommend Ubuntu Studio. I get the feeling you take something personal. I hope i am wrong. Rest assured that I have NO assumption about you NOR what religion could be affiliated to you. > > The reasons might help to find contributors (and to win more users): > > - Ubuntu is the most known major distro > - Ubuntu has got a past and a future [1] > - Ubuntu follows the user-friendly approach with all it's pros and > cons. For Linux beginners just the pros of the user-friendly approach > counts, so it makes sense to contribute to Ubuntu, to spread Linux. This is a great start to 3 potential posts on http://ubuntustudio.org It would be awsome if you could develop these 3 points further and post it here!! -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On 2015-10-29 13:37, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > A note that isn't related to Krita. > > This drawing causes the same pain as many websites with a black > background and dark grey fonts cause for me. > > I'm using CRTs and environments with bright themes, IOW more or less > white background with more or less black fonts. I reduce the brightness > and contrast of the CRTs. Sure, for drawings there's the need to fix > the colours, brightness, contrast etc., but for averaged usage it's > better for the CRT and for the user to at least reduce the brightness, > so it's nearly impossible for me to recognise the face of your drawing. > > The headset and the spiderweb laser coming out of the aerosol can leads > to the face of a Japanese school girl, but she seems to have a beard > and an animal nose. > > The contrast seems not to be optimal for old school CRT users, power > saving tablet PC and smart phone users. Btw. on my iPad I've got an app > to switch between two brightness settings, but I don't have this option > for my Ubuntu Wily and the used CRT I'm using right now. > > Regards, > Ralf > Thank you for your feedback. I am afraid the quality of the drawing is on the drawer: that would be me, not krita! (btw the bad resolution is neither on krita, it's me sending the wrong file.) As for the right amount of contrasts, choice of colors and taste of mustache shape, I'd be glad to answer any question regarding how to tune it according to personal taste using krita. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:37:55 +0100, set wrote: >Here is a picture i've drawn with it. Nothing else used. At it's height >it had 17 layers with transparencies and filters and such... Not a huge >piece of any sort, but proof it works well for what is ment. A note that isn't related to Krita. This drawing causes the same pain as many websites with a black background and dark grey fonts cause for me. I'm using CRTs and environments with bright themes, IOW more or less white background with more or less black fonts. I reduce the brightness and contrast of the CRTs. Sure, for drawings there's the need to fix the colours, brightness, contrast etc., but for averaged usage it's better for the CRT and for the user to at least reduce the brightness, so it's nearly impossible for me to recognise the face of your drawing. The headset and the spiderweb laser coming out of the aerosol can leads to the face of a Japanese school girl, but she seems to have a beard and an animal nose. The contrast seems not to be optimal for old school CRT users, power saving tablet PC and smart phone users. Btw. on my iPad I've got an app to switch between two brightness settings, but I don't have this option for my Ubuntu Wily and the used CRT I'm using right now. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:21:05 +0100, set wrote: >I met you Ralf, on the very social public mailing list for Linux Audio >Users :) It is not a social network and I'm not an official Ubuntu Studio contributor :p. I'm not a member of the church of Linux audio, but I have other reasons to wish that more people use Linux. There are sane reasons to use either Ubuntu and/or Arch Linux as I do. A Windows refugee most likely would be unable to cope with Arch, so I would recommend Ubuntu Studio. The reasons might help to find contributors (and to win more users): - Ubuntu is the most known major distro - Ubuntu has got a past and a future [1] - Ubuntu follows the user-friendly approach with all it's pros and cons. For Linux beginners just the pros of the user-friendly approach counts, so it makes sense to contribute to Ubuntu, to spread Linux. [1] Yes, the presence and future of Ubuntu is disputed for reasons that don't count that much for the averaged computer user, such as e.g. a Windows refugee. The presence and future that counts for the averaged computer users is better than that of other distros, with a small user and maintainer base and even that of other user friendly major distros, since they have got pitfalls Ubuntu doesn't have. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Does anybody expect to find contributors by social network presence? > > Yes, there are already users posting to the page or about Ubuntu Studio on Facebook for instance. Some of them might consider contributing if we showed them how. Xubuntu has made good use of Twitter for instance. /Jimmy -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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On 2015-10-29 12:16, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PublicRelationsDocumentation > > So "support" in this context isn't "support" in the sense of helping > users to fix issues with Linux and user space?! > It's just my guess, but because support ultimately is the outward showing face, it is part of the PR. Because nice support=friendly looking OS. But that page needs to be refreshed. All documentation really need to be refreshed. This is something we can use to PR actualy. For each finished wiki article, there is a potential announcement. Also, i think there should be a call for contributors published on the website soon. *Set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 11:24:54 +0100, set wrote: >On 2015-10-29 11:09, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>I tested Krita as a replacement for GIMP. Krita is completely >>unusable. It's missing features and the performance is much to >>slow. >Strange, i use it very much and never had to complain about anything. I >actually have got a design studio in barcelona to migrate to it from >adobe tools. But it is important to know krita is not a substitute to >gimp. It's really made for digital painting/drawing. Gimp (and PhotoShop) are for painting/drawing too. Krita performs on other machines as other apps do? On my machine it performs very bad. It's very, very slow. Does it require special graphics settings, CPU and or RAM resources that aren't needed for GIMP? -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On 2015-10-29 12:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Does anybody expect to find contributors by social network presence? I sure have found many motivated and creative friends thru IRC and billboards. Heck! I met you Ralf, on the very social public mailing list for Linux Audio Users :) Misunderstand me right, i get your point Ralf. And that is also why in my POV the best place to put down effort for PR is the ubuntustudio website. From there on, it can be syndicated automagicaly to the facegoogle twitt pages, and further spread by individuals where ever they feel it is right to do so. SocialNetworks should be satellites gathering traffic to the website, not the other way around. However, I want to post a call for contributors on a (to me) familiar billboard, what should imperatively come through in such a call? *set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PublicRelationsDocumentation So "support" in this context isn't "support" in the sense of helping users to fix issues with Linux and user space?! -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 05:36:11 -0400, Jordan Vashey wrote: >I can get a Facebook page going with some crazy graphics haha Is it meant ironically? https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntustudio More than one official location for each social network you want to use is enough, several official locations in one social network is counterproductive. There's nothing wrong with fishing for contributors. What are contributors? If you answered this question, you perhaps consider to send a request to Ubuntu devel discuss, Ubuntu users, Linux audio developers, Linux audio users etc., potential contributors most likely are aware about the Ubuntu flavours, so perhaps explaining what an Ubuntu flavour is might be not needed, at least not when sending requests to devel lists and forums, but it doesn't harm to clarify this when sending requests to user lists and forums. Does anybody expect to find contributors by social network presence? Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:31:17 +0100, set wrote: >I personally don't feel comfortable with socialnetworks, but i see why >it is necessary to have a presence there and encourage anyone who using >them to give a bump for the ubuntustudio-cause whenever possible! Ubuntu is as known as Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Micky Mouse, Coca~Cola, McDonalds, Microsoft and Apple. Are there plans to make Ubuntu Studio more known than Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Micky Mouse, Coca~Cola, McDonalds, Microsoft and Apple? If so, for what purpose? What people who already know Ubuntu do not know, is that Linux is not the same as Ubuntu that Ubuntu provides "flavours" that Ubuntu Studio is a flavour that derivatives are not Ubuntu flavours To clarify this issues would be the best promotion for Ubuntu Studio, much better than messing up all available locations with a permanent marker. There's another issue that needs more explanation, but it's not needed for Ubuntu flavour PR, OTOH it's related to PR. Many users misunderstand what "LTS" stands for. Many users expect the opposite of what is provided by a "LTS". My POV is that good PR isn't done by aggressive promotion and deals with the devil. Good PR is done by selecting locations for PR and by relying on the reputation of Ubuntu. Explain that there are Ubuntu flavours (one of them is Ubuntu Studio) and explain that some Ubuntu maintainers and users are against Ubuntu spyware. Since Ubuntu is known as much as Coca~Cola and Co, it also gets bad press. Transparency, clarification and explanation based on truth are the best PR, assumed the target isn't the same as that of Micky Mouse, Coca~Cola, McDonalds, Microsoft and Apple. Ubuntu Studio also shouldn't have the same target as PR for Jesus Christ and Mohammed has got, unfortunately there already is too much Linux audio faith. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On 2015-10-29 11:09, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I tested Krita as a replacement for GIMP. Krita is completely unusable. > It's missing features and the performance is much to slow. Strange, i use it very much and never had to complain about anything. I actually have got a design studio in barcelona to migrate to it from adobe tools. But it is important to know krita is not a substitute to gimp. It's really made for digital painting/drawing. Althou the latest version do come with text tools. I agree that there shouldn't be a HUGE focus on socialmedia, and that socialnetwork have an ethic dilemma attatched to them, but i think there might be grey zones we can take advantage of, and that those who want to use SN for PR work related to ubuntustudio should feel wellcome to brainstorm with everybody about the strategy of using these SocialNetworks. *Set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 00:13:15 +0100, set wrote: >https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=136 I tested Krita as a replacement for GIMP. Krita is completely unusable. It's missing features and the performance is much to slow. The Ubuntu Studio default DE is based on GTK and not on Qt. Fishing for contributors (and users) shouldn't become just aggressiv. Public relations shouldn't become stalking and Ubuntu Studio shouldn't package all available applications, it should provide a bundle of usable apps. I always wonder what app they use to make the very good Krita splash screen pictures, looks much like GIMP or PhotoShop, but unlikely Krita. I'm willing to help with support (excepted of Xfce apps [1], jackdbus and pulseaudio related issues), assumed support means helping others troubleshooting and fixing issues with Linux and the user space. Regards, Ralf [1] I even could provide some help to solve Xfce4 issues, e.g. when it starts to eat 100% CPU due to upowerd, damages green drives due to gvfs etc. ;). -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
I can get a Facebook page going with some crazy graphics haha Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2015, at 05:31, set wrote: > >> On 2015-10-28 23:52, set wrote: >> blablabla zombr ands brains... > > Not sure i came through correct yesterday. My apologies. The bottom-line > i feel that i left out is that, i will ask around my entourage. I don't > really know how to recruit engage people in any other form than Away > From Keyboard. I will also try to think about content suited for the > website to be linked/posted on socialnetworks. > > I personally don't feel comfortable with socialnetworks, but i see why > it is necessary to have a presence there and encourage anyone who using > them to give a bump for the ubuntustudio-cause whenever possible! > > *set > > -- > ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?
On 2015-10-28 23:52, set wrote: > blablabla zombr ands brains... Not sure i came through correct yesterday. My apologies. The bottom-line i feel that i left out is that, i will ask around my entourage. I don't really know how to recruit engage people in any other form than Away >From Keyboard. I will also try to think about content suited for the website to be linked/posted on socialnetworks. I personally don't feel comfortable with socialnetworks, but i see why it is necessary to have a presence there and encourage anyone who using them to give a bump for the ubuntustudio-cause whenever possible! *set -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
