Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 09:53 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 03:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 23:50 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing preventing adding linux-sampler to a non-free repo, just as one can add things like flashplayer and nvidia drivers. You're mistaken. There is difference between non-free and a _violated_ GPL2. The linuxsampler license seems to be illegal. Based on what fact? Didn't you read the complete mail? You at least didn't quote the important part: From Paul Davis during a discussion on [LAD]: It isn't clear that linuxsampler's license is legal. They use the GPL2 and then add restrictions, which is prohibited by the GPL. It may or may not affect the license, but either way it is a wierd situation. You might know about the Linux guru who add a joke to the GPL, similar to only use for good, not for evil, this became a serious issue, it's simply not allowed to add restrictions to the GPL. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Kdenlive is capable of recording from webcams, I don't have plug-in realtime cameras but if offer Firewire, ffmpeg(via /dev/vdideo0 and video4Linux2), Screen Grab, and Blackmagic recording options Tried this using a V4L device. VLC worked, KDENLive did not. Not intuitive at all that recording video is done from the monitor section. Not helpful that the help button gives Not found. And http://userbase.kde.org/Kdenlive/Manual/Capturing gives less than helpful info. I don't have a dvgrab (FW) device to try, but V4L has huge latency... this may be libav. There seem to to be issues with regard to libav/ffmpeg and how they are compiled for doing screen capture too. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Kdenlive is capable of recording from webcams, I don't have plug-in realtime cameras but if offer Firewire, ffmpeg(via /dev/vdideo0 and video4Linux2), Screen Grab, and Blackmagic recording options Tried this using a V4L device. VLC worked, KDENLive did not. Not intuitive at all that recording video is done from the monitor section. Not helpful that the help button gives Not found. And http://userbase.kde.org/ Kdenlive/Manual/Capturing gives less than helpful info. I don't have a dvgrab (FW) device to try, but V4L has huge latency... this may be libav. There seem to to be issues with regard to libav/ffmpeg and how they are compiled for doing screen capture too. is the latency a big issue in that situation? -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rômulo Xavier Olivieri Meier romuloxavier...@gmail.com wrote: Include Cinelerra Openshot SubtSubtitle editor Vlc Em 12/02/2014 12:28, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me escreveu: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rômulo Xavier Olivieri Meier romuloxavier...@gmail.com wrote: Include Cinelerra Openshot SubtSubtitle editor Vlc would you mind to address the teams that create these products and discuss with them why ubuntu cant include them? and see if they are interested or able to be included? Em 12/02/2014 12:28, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me escreveu: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
Include Cinelerra Openshot SubtSubtitle editor Vlc Em 12/02/2014 12:28, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me escreveu: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 04:00 PM, Rômulo Xavier Olivieri Meier wrote: Include Cinelerra Openshot SubtSubtitle editor Vlc Em 12/02/2014 12:28, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me escreveu: First of all, I hope people have realized by now that what we are talking about is what packages should be in Ubuntu Studio by default, and that we can only include packages from the Ubuntu repos. Openshot is already in (as is kdenlive). Cinerella is not in our repos, so we can't include it. Someone needs to package it for Debian, and that way it could be included. As for the others, I'd like to see arguments for. One needs to explain why something is to be included :). We already have one subtitle editor and a video player included. I'd like to hear a reason for why we either need to replace it, or to use more than one. Thanks. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:21 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: Cinerella is not in our repos, so we can't include it. Someone needs to package it for Debian, and that way it could be included. Different countries, different laws, IOW Cinelerra was and perhaps still is and likely will be a nominee for software that even is not ready for non-free repositories. Cinerella = licenses issues, you never ever will find it in the official Debian repositories. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:21 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: Cinerella is not in our repos, so we can't include it. Someone needs to package it for Debian, and that way it could be included. Different countries, different laws, IOW Cinelerra was and perhaps still is and likely will be a nominee for software that even is not ready for non-free repositories. Cinerella = licenses issues, you never ever will find it in the official Debian repositories. What are the issues with the license? Cinelerra's source code is available under the GNU General Public License (GPL). However, unlike most large Free Open Source projects, the development of Cinelerra is not open to distributed collaboration and there is no support for the software. Then there is Cinelerra-cv which is the community version, would that make a difference license-wise? -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:40 +0100, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:21 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: Cinerella is not in our repos, so we can't include it. Someone needs to package it for Debian, and that way it could be included. Different countries, different laws, IOW Cinelerra was and perhaps still is and likely will be a nominee for software that even is not ready for non-free repositories. Cinerella = licenses issues, you never ever will find it in the official Debian repositories. What are the issues with the license? Cinelerra's source code is available under the GNU General Public License (GPL). However, unlike most large Free Open Source projects, the development of Cinelerra is not open to distributed collaboration and there is no support for the software. Then there is Cinelerra-cv which is the community version, would that make a difference license-wise? Cinelerra CV is an open-source non-linear video editor and is one of those incredible pieces of software that you just cannot believe is free... but that is part of the problem. 64 Studio cannot include it as part of the distribution because it has too many patent encumbered dependencies. But not to worry, if you install it yourself from other sources it is yours to use as you please! And this is that story... - http://www.64studio.com/howto_cinelerra -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014, at 07:39 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: There are third party Debian repositories for LinuxSampler and likely for Cinelerra too. Please Kaj, take a look at licenses and Debian's policy before you recommend that people should package some software for the official Debian repositories. LinuxSampler and Cinelerra can't be part of the Debian repositories. I'm just saying, if you want a package included in Ubuntu Studio, first make sure it exists in Debian repositories. Otherwise, we won't be including it. The discussion about licenses is better suited for the Debian bug report that is created if and when someone decides to try get cinerella or linuxsampler packaged and uploaded there. If there were more Ubuntu Studio devs, and more time, it would be likely that one of us would look into that. But, for now, we just focus on what already is available :). -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
Cinellera depends on patented codecs and techno. The code itself is open source but you can't build it and distribute it. This is the same for linuxsampler and steinbetg's vst technologie Le 13 févr. 2014 19:43, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net a écrit : On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:40 +0100, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 19:21 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: Cinerella is not in our repos, so we can't include it. Someone needs to package it for Debian, and that way it could be included. Different countries, different laws, IOW Cinelerra was and perhaps still is and likely will be a nominee for software that even is not ready for non-free repositories. Cinerella = licenses issues, you never ever will find it in the official Debian repositories. What are the issues with the license? Cinelerra's source code is available under the GNU General Public License (GPL). However, unlike most large Free Open Source projects, the development of Cinelerra is not open to distributed collaboration and there is no support for the software. Then there is Cinelerra-cv which is the community version, would that make a difference license-wise? Cinelerra CV is an open-source non-linear video editor and is one of those incredible pieces of software that you just cannot believe is free... but that is part of the problem. 64 Studio cannot include it as part of the distribution because it has too many patent encumbered dependencies. But not to worry, if you install it yourself from other sources it is yours to use as you please! And this is that story... - http://www.64studio.com/howto_cinelerra -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 20:06 +0100, Antoine Thomas wrote: Cinellera depends on patented codecs and techno. The code itself is open source but you can't build it and distribute it. This is the same for linuxsampler and steinbetg's vst technologie Amen! _But_ different countries = different laws, if the distro, resp. distros repository is only for a special country, for some countries it wouldn't matter. I often wanted to become a DEB and ARCH packager, but I never ever will become a lawyer, so respect to the people who build official packages for DEB distros and Arch. I decided to package not anything for an official repository. I'm not a coward, I had a previous conviction for being a pacifist. However, fighting against war is easier than fighting against (IOW ignoring) international patent laws. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
Writers of applications should be discouraged from using patented anything that they could reasonably have avoided, and doubly discouraged from using non-free licenses. I agree with distros refusing to distribute software that voluntariliy uses patented algorithms or non-free licenses. After all, the interoperability defense seen with codecs does not apply in such cases. If authors of code get the idea that a restrictive license bars them from every distro's repos and limits them to PPA's, that is a powerful inducement to remove patented routines and release under a free license. Codec patents, however, we have no choice but to fight, as free codecs too often can't be played by pay operating systems whose users may be the target audience of videos and audio files. Also the owners of codec all remember how the patent FUD over .gif killed the format and nobody wants to be next in line for that. On 02/13/2014 at 2:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 20:06 +0100, Antoine Thomas wrote: Cinellera depends on patented codecs and techno. The code itself is open source but you can't build it and distribute it. This is the same for linuxsampler and steinbetg's vst technologie Amen! _But_ different countries = different laws, if the distro, resp. distros repository is only for a special country, for some countries it wouldn't matter. I often wanted to become a DEB and ARCH packager, but I never ever will become a lawyer, so respect to the people who build official packages for DEB distros and Arch. I decided to package not anything for an official repository. I'm not a coward, I had a previous conviction for being a pacifist. However, fighting against war is easier than fighting against (IOW ignoring) international patent laws. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine + on a completely FLOSS Linux machine. Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are Linux machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is available by all major distros. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 21:04 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine + on a completely FLOSS Linux machine. ^^^one Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are Linux machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is available by all major distros. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
I don't know of any video codec which can be played on a default install of Windows XP, a default install of say, Ubuntu Dapper, and gives any reasonable degree of compression. At any event, the whole point of free software is that I decide what to do with my computers, nobody else does. On 02/13/2014 at 3:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine + on a completely FLOSS Linux machine. Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are Linux machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is available by all major distros. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 21:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 21:04 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine + on a completely FLOSS Linux machine. ^^^one It might cause a misunderstanding. +1 for the point of view and plus on Linux machines, perhaos against the point of view of the poster. Btw. I'm not only a fool regarding to the English language, but aware that in Germany some patents are different rated than in some other countries. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:06 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I don't know of any video codec which can be played on a default install of Windows XP, a default install of say, Ubuntu Dapper, and gives any reasonable degree of compression. At any event, the whole point of free software is that I decide what to do with my computers, nobody else does. On 02/13/2014 at 3:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine + on a completely FLOSS Linux machine. Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are Linux machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is available by all major distros. Fortunately we could use clean PCM audio files for audio. Sure, even the .wav format was invented by M$, but who cares, it's not a codec, but clean PCM data with AFAIK some information, that can't be a patent in any country. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
A straight PCM file for audio can be 50MB for a few minutes, many websites refuse them because of their size and on a mobile connection people can't spare the bandwidth. There are also uncompressed video files, in 1080p they are so big they cannot be played back from a single hard drive in some cases, I've seen over 11GB for a 10 minute video. Back in 2004, I found that .wav files were refused by the web hosts I used, and when I tried .ogg audio, I got nothing but complaints by people who could not open them. That was the end of my experiments with free codecs. In my community, there are lots of default XP machines, not a single Ubuntu machine without codec support added. That tells me what I need to target with output files. On 02/13/2014 at 3:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:06 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: I don't know of any video codec which can be played on a default install of Windows XP, a default install of say, Ubuntu Dapper, and gives any reasonable degree of compression. At any event, the whole point of free software is that I decide what to do with my computers, nobody else does. On 02/13/2014 at 3:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mardorf@alice- dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 14:59 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: everything I publish must be playable on a WinXP machine + on a completely FLOSS Linux machine. Really, XP is a Windows I care about, but more important are Linux machines, even without the proprietary flashplayer that still is available by all major distros. Fortunately we could use clean PCM audio files for audio. Sure, even the .wav format was invented by M$, but who cares, it's not a codec, but clean PCM data with AFAIK some information, that can't be a patent in any country. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 15:28 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... How strict is the license policy? http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:21 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 15:28 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... How strict is the license policy? http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html PS: I guess to answer the why isn't needed. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
A very interesting tools is *CADENCE* used in kxstudio. unlike qtjack in my opinion is much more intuitive. Another software that we use for our web radio *IDJC *is present (not in the latest version) in the ubuntu repos. Another need that comes to mind is a software for the management of *tags *in media files. An example is *kid3 *but there will be many more. I maintain a web radio Creative Commons and the proper handling of tags is crucial. Finally, it would be nice to have a *voip client *that works with *jackd *( without pulseaudio). Ciao!! 2014-02-12 16:22 GMT+01:00 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:21 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 15:28 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... How strict is the license policy? http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html PS: I guess to answer the why isn't needed. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Marco BRUNO marco.bruno.iv...@gmail.comwrote: A very interesting tools is *CADENCE* used in kxstudio. unlike qtjack in my opinion is much more intuitive. Another software that we use for our web radio *IDJC *is present (not in the latest version) in the ubuntu repos. Another need that comes to mind is a software for the management of *tags *in media files. An example is *kid3 *but there will be many more. I maintain a web radio Creative Commons and the proper handling of tags is crucial. Finally, it would be nice to have a *voip client *that works with *jackd * (without pulseaudio). Ciao!! 14.04 will release in april. ideally, these will be packages that are already in the default repos. anything that is currently in could be suggested to be removed, and anything that is currently in the default ubuntu repositories could be suggested for inclusion.. anything more complex than that, such as having new, non-repo package introduced would work better by including them upstream into debian and going from there. after getting them into debian, they sync down to ubuntu, and then we talk about including them, as far as licensing and other issues. the pulse to JACK bridging technology is really what is in place to address a JACK friendly voip client.. JACK is open, and *any* voip software developers are always welcome to include support for it. i have used mumble which was (at that time) supporting JACK thanks to falk from the KX team. (falk *is* the KX studio team, BTW)... cheers! 2014-02-12 16:22 GMT+01:00 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:21 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 15:28 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... How strict is the license policy? http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html PS: I guess to answer the why isn't needed. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
As holstein says, we only include packages from the repos. If someone wants to include linux-sampler, one can package it and have it uploaded in Debian. Same goes for other applications. linux-sampler is GPL with an addition making it non free. Should not be a problem getting it into the Debian non-free repo. Someone just needs to make that happen. Same goes for the kxstudio applications. I know falktx has been on it at some point, but never gone through with it. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: linux-sampler is GPL with an addition This addition is an issue. It never will make it's way into the official Debian repos, more likely jackd someday will be removed from the official Debian repos too ;). End of last year or beginning of this year I asked at LAU or LAD about the LinuxSanmpler issue. IIRC Paul Davis mentioned, that even jackd might not fit to the license policy of some major distros. JACK is in the repos, and i think we all want it to stay in ubuntustudio. its not leaving the repos. anything constructive on what could be changed about the current ubuntustudio relating to swapping in/out current repo packages? -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
Eagle -- PCB Design http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Toolhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/ Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation Explorerhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French Language)http://jeanmarie.biansan.free.fr/optgeo.html SagCad -- CAD/CAM http://sagcad.sourceforge.jp/ VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual machinehttps://www.virtualbox.org/ DosBox -- DOS Emulator http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1 BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulatorhttp://www.bannister.org/software/bsnes.htm MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Application http://mypaint.intilinux.com/ Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation softwarehttp://www.synfig.org/cms/ Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer http://matek.hu/xaos/doku.php RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session recorderhttp://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia playerhttp://www.videolan.org/vlc/ LMMS -- Digital audio workstation http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)https://www.eclipse.org/ PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers developmenthttp://sourceforge.net/projects/piclinux/?source=recommended Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulatorhttp://gpsim.sourceforge.net/gpsim.html FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler http://www.freebasic.net/ Skype -- VoIP chat messaginghttp://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64 IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client http://freecode.com/projects/iptux Chromium -- Open-source browser project http://www.chromium.org/Home AbiWord -- Text processing program http://www.abisource.com/ Celestia -- Real-time 3D space simulationhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ Xfce -- Desktop Environment http://www.xfce.org/ WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix http://www.winehq.org/ * * (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution, *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*) Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:10 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: linux-sampler is GPL with an addition This addition is an issue. It never will make it's way into the official Debian repos, more likely jackd someday will be removed from the official Debian repos too ;). End of last year or beginning of this year I asked at LAU or LAD about the LinuxSanmpler issue. IIRC Paul Davis mentioned, that even jackd might not fit to the license policy of some major distros. JACK is in the repos, and i think we all want it to stay in ubuntustudio. its not leaving the repos. anything constructive on what could be changed about the current ubuntustudio relating to swapping in/out current repo packages? I've got no time to search the archives, but IIRC by theory there already is an issue with jackd. I might confuse something. At least LinuxSampler won't make it into an official repository, since the addition is a violation of the GPL, IIRC. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
Apache -- HTTP Server http://httpd.apache.org/ Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web http://www.squid-cache.org/ OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access Protocolhttp://www.openldap.org/ Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server http://www.bind9.net/ Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com: Eagle -- PCB Design http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Toolhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/ Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation Explorerhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French Language)http://jeanmarie.biansan.free.fr/optgeo.html SagCad -- CAD/CAM http://sagcad.sourceforge.jp/ VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual machinehttps://www.virtualbox.org/ DosBox -- DOS Emulator http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1 BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulatorhttp://www.bannister.org/software/bsnes.htm MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Applicationhttp://mypaint.intilinux.com/ Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation softwarehttp://www.synfig.org/cms/ Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer http://matek.hu/xaos/doku.php RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session recorderhttp://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia playerhttp://www.videolan.org/vlc/ LMMS -- Digital audio workstation http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)https://www.eclipse.org/ PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers developmenthttp://sourceforge.net/projects/piclinux/?source=recommended Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulatorhttp://gpsim.sourceforge.net/gpsim.html FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler http://www.freebasic.net/ Skype -- VoIP chat messaginghttp://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64 IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client http://freecode.com/projects/iptux Chromium -- Open-source browser project http://www.chromium.org/Home AbiWord -- Text processing program http://www.abisource.com/ Celestia -- Real-time 3D space simulationhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ Xfce -- Desktop Environment http://www.xfce.org/ WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix http://www.winehq.org/ * * (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution, *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*) Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
EXCLUDE*** MySQL -- Popular open-source databasehttp://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-185/product_id-316/year-2012/Mysql-Mysql.html Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:41 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com: Apache -- HTTP Server http://httpd.apache.org/ Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web http://www.squid-cache.org/ OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access Protocolhttp://www.openldap.org/ Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server http://www.bind9.net/ Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com: Eagle -- PCB Design http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Toolhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/ Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation Explorerhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French Language)http://jeanmarie.biansan.free.fr/optgeo.html SagCad -- CAD/CAM http://sagcad.sourceforge.jp/ VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual machinehttps://www.virtualbox.org/ DosBox -- DOS Emulator http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1 BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulatorhttp://www.bannister.org/software/bsnes.htm MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Applicationhttp://mypaint.intilinux.com/ Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation softwarehttp://www.synfig.org/cms/ Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer http://matek.hu/xaos/doku.php RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session recorderhttp://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia playerhttp://www.videolan.org/vlc/ LMMS -- Digital audio workstation http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)https://www.eclipse.org/ PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers developmenthttp://sourceforge.net/projects/piclinux/?source=recommended Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulatorhttp://gpsim.sourceforge.net/gpsim.html FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler http://www.freebasic.net/ Skype -- VoIP chat messaginghttp://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64 IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger clienthttp://freecode.com/projects/iptux Chromium -- Open-source browser project http://www.chromium.org/Home AbiWord -- Text processing program http://www.abisource.com/ Celestia -- Real-time 3D space simulationhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ Xfce -- Desktop Environment http://www.xfce.org/ WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unixhttp://www.winehq.org/ * * (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution, *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*) Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com wrote: Apache -- HTTP Server http://httpd.apache.org/ Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web http://www.squid-cache.org/ OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access Protocolhttp://www.openldap.org/ Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server http://www.bind9.net/ since these are not related to media production, and are available in the repos, i vote continuing *not* to include them by default Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com: Eagle -- PCB Design http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Toolhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/ Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation Explorerhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French Language)http://jeanmarie.biansan.free.fr/optgeo.html SagCad -- CAD/CAM http://sagcad.sourceforge.jp/ VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual machinehttps://www.virtualbox.org/ DosBox -- DOS Emulator http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1 BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulatorhttp://www.bannister.org/software/bsnes.htm MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Applicationhttp://mypaint.intilinux.com/ Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation softwarehttp://www.synfig.org/cms/ Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer http://matek.hu/xaos/doku.php RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session recorderhttp://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia playerhttp://www.videolan.org/vlc/ LMMS -- Digital audio workstation http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)https://www.eclipse.org/ PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers developmenthttp://sourceforge.net/projects/piclinux/?source=recommended Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulatorhttp://gpsim.sourceforge.net/gpsim.html FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler http://www.freebasic.net/ Skype -- VoIP chat messaginghttp://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64 IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger clienthttp://freecode.com/projects/iptux Chromium -- Open-source browser project http://www.chromium.org/Home AbiWord -- Text processing program http://www.abisource.com/ Celestia -- Real-time 3D space simulationhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ Xfce -- Desktop Environment http://www.xfce.org/ WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unixhttp://www.winehq.org/ * * (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution, *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*) Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
*They are deeply related to Media Production as media publishing tools* Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:49 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com wrote: Apache -- HTTP Server http://httpd.apache.org/ Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web http://www.squid-cache.org/ OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access Protocolhttp://www.openldap.org/ Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server http://www.bind9.net/ since these are not related to media production, and are available in the repos, i vote continuing *not* to include them by default Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com: Eagle -- PCB Design http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Toolhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/ Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation Explorerhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French Language)http://jeanmarie.biansan.free.fr/optgeo.html SagCad -- CAD/CAM http://sagcad.sourceforge.jp/ VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual machinehttps://www.virtualbox.org/ DosBox -- DOS Emulator http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1 BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulatorhttp://www.bannister.org/software/bsnes.htm MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Applicationhttp://mypaint.intilinux.com/ Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation softwarehttp://www.synfig.org/cms/ Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer http://matek.hu/xaos/doku.php RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session recorderhttp://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia playerhttp://www.videolan.org/vlc/ LMMS -- Digital audio workstation http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)https://www.eclipse.org/ PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers developmenthttp://sourceforge.net/projects/piclinux/?source=recommended Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulatorhttp://gpsim.sourceforge.net/gpsim.html FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler http://www.freebasic.net/ Skype -- VoIP chat messaginghttp://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64 IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger clienthttp://freecode.com/projects/iptux Chromium -- Open-source browser project http://www.chromium.org/Home AbiWord -- Text processing program http://www.abisource.com/ Celestia -- Real-time 3D space simulationhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ Xfce -- Desktop Environment http://www.xfce.org/ WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unixhttp://www.winehq.org/ * * (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution, *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*) Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:10 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: linux-sampler is GPL with an addition This addition is an issue. It never will make it's way into the official Debian repos, more likely jackd someday will be removed from the official Debian repos too ;). End of last year or beginning of this year I asked at LAU or LAD about the LinuxSanmpler issue. IIRC Paul Davis mentioned, that even jackd might not fit to the license policy of some major distros. with the following facts and assumptions: jack is *already* included, and its removal is not being proposed linux sampler has a state of being that makes it not able to be included and that state cannot be address here by this team. either, it gets worked in upstream somehow, or changed to fit the inclusion terms. is there anything constructive?.. maybe an audio specific tool? JACK is in the repos, and i think we all want it to stay in ubuntustudio. its not leaving the repos. anything constructive on what could be changed about the current ubuntustudio relating to swapping in/out current repo packages? I've got no time to search the archives, but IIRC by theory there already is an issue with jackd. I might confuse something. At least LinuxSampler won't make it into an official repository, since the addition is a violation of the GPL, IIRC. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
PureData -- Open source visual programming language http://puredata.info/ Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:52 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:10 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: linux-sampler is GPL with an addition This addition is an issue. It never will make it's way into the official Debian repos, more likely jackd someday will be removed from the official Debian repos too ;). End of last year or beginning of this year I asked at LAU or LAD about the LinuxSanmpler issue. IIRC Paul Davis mentioned, that even jackd might not fit to the license policy of some major distros. with the following facts and assumptions: jack is *already* included, and its removal is not being proposed linux sampler has a state of being that makes it not able to be included and that state cannot be address here by this team. either, it gets worked in upstream somehow, or changed to fit the inclusion terms. is there anything constructive?.. maybe an audio specific tool? JACK is in the repos, and i think we all want it to stay in ubuntustudio. its not leaving the repos. anything constructive on what could be changed about the current ubuntustudio relating to swapping in/out current repo packages? I've got no time to search the archives, but IIRC by theory there already is an issue with jackd. I might confuse something. At least LinuxSampler won't make it into an official repository, since the addition is a violation of the GPL, IIRC. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:51 PM, helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com wrote: *They are deeply related to Media Production as media publishing tools* and, so far, that has not been the focus of ubuntustudio out of the box.. those are not tools that create content.. Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:49 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com wrote: Apache -- HTTP Server http://httpd.apache.org/ Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web http://www.squid-cache.org/ OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access Protocolhttp://www.openldap.org/ Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server http://www.bind9.net/ since these are not related to media production, and are available in the repos, i vote continuing *not* to include them by default Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com: Eagle -- PCB Design http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Toolhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/ Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation Explorerhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French Language)http://jeanmarie.biansan.free.fr/optgeo.html SagCad -- CAD/CAM http://sagcad.sourceforge.jp/ VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual machinehttps://www.virtualbox.org/ DosBox -- DOS Emulator http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1 BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulatorhttp://www.bannister.org/software/bsnes.htm MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Applicationhttp://mypaint.intilinux.com/ Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation softwarehttp://www.synfig.org/cms/ Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer http://matek.hu/xaos/doku.php RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session recorderhttp://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia playerhttp://www.videolan.org/vlc/ LMMS -- Digital audio workstation http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)https://www.eclipse.org/ PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers developmenthttp://sourceforge.net/projects/piclinux/?source=recommended Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulatorhttp://gpsim.sourceforge.net/gpsim.html FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler http://www.freebasic.net/ Skype -- VoIP chat messaginghttp://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64 IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger clienthttp://freecode.com/projects/iptux Chromium -- Open-source browser project http://www.chromium.org/Home AbiWord -- Text processing program http://www.abisource.com/ Celestia -- Real-time 3D space simulationhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ Xfce -- Desktop Environment http://www.xfce.org/ WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unixhttp://www.winehq.org/ * * (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution, *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*) Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
They are tools to ***PUBLISH CONTENT Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:57 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:51 PM, helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com wrote: *They are deeply related to Media Production as media publishing tools* and, so far, that has not been the focus of ubuntustudio out of the box.. those are not tools that create content.. Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:49 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com wrote: Apache -- HTTP Server http://httpd.apache.org/ Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web http://www.squid-cache.org/ OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access Protocolhttp://www.openldap.org/ Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server http://www.bind9.net/ since these are not related to media production, and are available in the repos, i vote continuing *not* to include them by default Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com: Eagle -- PCB Design http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Toolhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/ Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation Explorerhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French Language)http://jeanmarie.biansan.free.fr/optgeo.html SagCad -- CAD/CAM http://sagcad.sourceforge.jp/ VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual machinehttps://www.virtualbox.org/ DosBox -- DOS Emulator http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1 BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulatorhttp://www.bannister.org/software/bsnes.htm MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Applicationhttp://mypaint.intilinux.com/ Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation softwarehttp://www.synfig.org/cms/ Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer http://matek.hu/xaos/doku.php RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session recorderhttp://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia playerhttp://www.videolan.org/vlc/ LMMS -- Digital audio workstation http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)https://www.eclipse.org/ PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers developmenthttp://sourceforge.net/projects/piclinux/?source=recommended Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulatorhttp://gpsim.sourceforge.net/gpsim.html FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler http://www.freebasic.net/ Skype -- VoIP chat messaginghttp://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64 IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger clienthttp://freecode.com/projects/iptux Chromium -- Open-source browser project http://www.chromium.org/Home AbiWord -- Text processing program http://www.abisource.com/ Celestia -- Real-time 3D space simulationhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ Xfce -- Desktop Environment http://www.xfce.org/ WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unixhttp://www.winehq.org/ * * (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution, *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*) Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:59 PM, helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com wrote: They are tools to ***PUBLISH CONTENT great!.. and i say, its not part of the core of ubuntustudio.. its just my vote' and opinion.. and its not targeted at publishing content.. its targeted at creating content.. you said you wanted it, i said i didnt. Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:57 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:51 PM, helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com wrote: *They are deeply related to Media Production as media publishing tools* and, so far, that has not been the focus of ubuntustudio out of the box.. those are not tools that create content.. Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:49 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com wrote: Apache -- HTTP Server http://httpd.apache.org/ Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web http://www.squid-cache.org/ OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access Protocolhttp://www.openldap.org/ Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server http://www.bind9.net/ since these are not related to media production, and are available in the repos, i vote continuing *not* to include them by default Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 18:13 GMT+01:00 helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com: Eagle -- PCB Design http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Toolhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/ Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation Explorerhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French Language)http://jeanmarie.biansan.free.fr/optgeo.html SagCad -- CAD/CAM http://sagcad.sourceforge.jp/ VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual machinehttps://www.virtualbox.org/ DosBox -- DOS Emulator http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1 BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulatorhttp://www.bannister.org/software/bsnes.htm MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Applicationhttp://mypaint.intilinux.com/ Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation softwarehttp://www.synfig.org/cms/ Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer http://matek.hu/xaos/doku.php RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session recorderhttp://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia playerhttp://www.videolan.org/vlc/ LMMS -- Digital audio workstation http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)https://www.eclipse.org/ PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers developmenthttp://sourceforge.net/projects/piclinux/?source=recommended Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulatorhttp://gpsim.sourceforge.net/gpsim.html FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler http://www.freebasic.net/ Skype -- VoIP chat messaginghttp://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64 IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger clienthttp://freecode.com/projects/iptux Chromium -- Open-source browser projecthttp://www.chromium.org/Home AbiWord -- Text processing program http://www.abisource.com/ Celestia -- Real-time 3D space simulationhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ Xfce -- Desktop Environment http://www.xfce.org/ WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unixhttp://www.winehq.org/ * * (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution, *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*) Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:13 PM, helios martinez dominguez helios.martinez.doming...@gmail.com wrote: Eagle -- PCB Design http://www.cadsoftusa.com/ PCB -- Printed Circuit Board Layout Toolhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb/ Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation Explorerhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ OptGeo -- Optics Simulator (French Language)http://jeanmarie.biansan.free.fr/optgeo.html SagCad -- CAD/CAM http://sagcad.sourceforge.jp/ VirtualBox -- x86 and AMD64/Intel64 virtual machinehttps://www.virtualbox.org/ DosBox -- DOS Emulator http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1 BSNES -- Nintendo SNES Emulatorhttp://www.bannister.org/software/bsnes.htm MyPaint -- Open-Source Graphics Applicationhttp://mypaint.intilinux.com/ Synfig Studio -- Open-source 2D animation softwarehttp://www.synfig.org/cms/ Xaos -- Interactive fractal zoomer http://matek.hu/xaos/doku.php RecordMyDesktop -- Desktop session recorderhttp://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php VLC (VideoLAN) -- Open source cross-platform multimedia playerhttp://www.videolan.org/vlc/ LMMS -- Digital audio workstation http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ Eclipse -- Integrated development environment (IDE)https://www.eclipse.org/ PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers developmenthttp://sourceforge.net/projects/piclinux/?source=recommended Gpsim -- Full-featured PIC simulatorhttp://gpsim.sourceforge.net/gpsim.html FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler http://www.freebasic.net/ Skype -- VoIP chat messaginghttp://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64 IPTux -- Intranet IP messenger client http://freecode.com/projects/iptux Chromium -- Open-source browser project http://www.chromium.org/Home AbiWord -- Text processing program http://www.abisource.com/ Celestia -- Real-time 3D space simulationhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/celestia/ Xfce -- Desktop Environment http://www.xfce.org/ WineHQ -- Free implementation of Windows on Unix http://www.winehq.org/ * * (*Wine's default configuration lets open vulnerabilities* that must be taken on account before adding it blindly to the distribution, *specifically:* *root directory is accessible from the application*) 2014-02-12 15:28 GMT+01:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... Several of those are already in Ubuntu Studio as default. Would it be possible for you to update your list with some more information on why they should be included? -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 18:35 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:10 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:47 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: linux-sampler is GPL with an addition This addition is an issue. It never will make it's way into the official Debian repos, more likely jackd someday will be removed from the official Debian repos too ;). End of last year or beginning of this year I asked at LAU or LAD about the LinuxSanmpler issue. IIRC Paul Davis mentioned, that even jackd might not fit to the license policy of some major distros. JACK is in the repos, and i think we all want it to stay in ubuntustudio. its not leaving the repos. anything constructive on what could be changed about the current ubuntustudio relating to swapping in/out current repo packages? I've got no time to search the archives, but IIRC by theory there already is an issue with jackd. I might confuse something. At least LinuxSampler won't make it into an official repository, since the addition is a violation of the GPL, IIRC. I found the thread, regarding to Debian and LinuxSampler I'm right, there's something fishy with LinuxSampler for Debian, but regarding to jackd I must have confused it with another issue. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
Kdenlive assuming no issue comes along to prevent it from building. It may not get new development for a while as the developer had to take a break and next up is a huge refactoring program, but at version 0.9.6 right now it performs very well and is regarded by many as simply the best video editor available in Linux. It is so important to my work that I could never use any version of any distro in which it could not either be installed or run from a portable folder. Lightworks by comparison is NOT free software, it requires activation, the unpaid version is almost useless and no source code is available. In my opinion no distro should touch it. On 02/12/2014 at 9:28 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
Celestia -- Real-Time 3D Astronomy Simulation Explorer FreeBASIC -- GPL 32-bit BASIC compiler PicLinux -- PIC microcontrollers development 3 examples of farfetched software for ubuntu studio. Eagle -- PCB Design Even if Eagle shouldn't be farfetched, the license might cause issues for an official *buntu repository. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi eagle | grep Licenses Licenses : custom -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
/me +1 kdenlive ... anyone else using anything that is relevant for video production? relevant = legally viable, currently in the repos, On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Kdenlive assuming no issue comes along to prevent it from building. It may not get new development for a while as the developer had to take a break and next up is a huge refactoring program, but at version 0.9.6 right now it performs very well and is regarded by many as simply the best video editor available in Linux. It is so important to my work that I could never use any version of any distro in which it could not either be installed or run from a portable folder. Lightworks by comparison is NOT free software, it requires activation, the unpaid version is almost useless and no source code is available. In my opinion no distro should touch it. On 02/12/2014 at 9:28 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
KDEnlive -- Free and open-source video editor http://www.kdenlive.org/ Have never used it, but heard lots about it. Include an .iso with media produced with only ubuntu studio created content. Helios Martínez Domínguez (*Helivs Von Veritas*) http://helios.vze.com reverbnation http://www.reverbnation.com/heliosexe +34 657 633 848 2014-02-12 21:20 GMT+01:00 Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com: /me +1 kdenlive ... anyone else using anything that is relevant for video production? relevant = legally viable, currently in the repos, On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Kdenlive assuming no issue comes along to prevent it from building. It may not get new development for a while as the developer had to take a break and next up is a huge refactoring program, but at version 0.9.6 right now it performs very well and is regarded by many as simply the best video editor available in Linux. It is so important to my work that I could never use any version of any distro in which it could not either be installed or run from a portable folder. Lightworks by comparison is NOT free software, it requires activation, the unpaid version is almost useless and no source code is available. In my opinion no distro should touch it. On 02/12/2014 at 9:28 AM, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- MH mikeholstein.info http://www.mikeholstein.info/ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On 12 feb 2014, at 21:20, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote: /me +1 kdenlive ... anyone else using anything that is relevant for video production? relevant = legally viable, currently in the repos, No, I use kdenlive for everything. I thought it was a given and not something that would get removed. I have tried some other similar applications but always come back to kdenlive. I spoke recently online with a film producer who just turned to use FOSS and he had only good things to say about kdenlive. Cinelerra is GPL but also have a community version, none of which are included in the repos yet. A bit more complicated than kdenlive but also said to be more advanced. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On 12 feb 2014, at 15:28, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: Opinions on what we should or should not include for Ubuntu Studio Trusty, and why? plugins, applications, tools, fonts, etc, etc... Not for 14.04 but in the future I would like to include applications like/similar to Scrivener and Trelby. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
I have used Cinelerra, it has two problems: One is a clunky, harder to learn GUI. That's not too bad as many pro video editors have similar issues. The other is this: it has not kept up with changing formats produced by common cameras. I still have the version I got during Precise (2012) so I don't know if this has changed but as of then Cinelerra could not read files containing H264 streams, either from AVCHD cameras or from another video editor. Kdenlive can both read and write H264 if you use the fully-enabled ffmpeg/libav versions, or be distributed with that stripped for later user installation if codecs are deemed an issue. Both Kdenlive and it's underlying MLT base are essentially codec-independant, so adding support for any arbitrary codec is simply a matter of getting it into ffmpeg/ libav. At any rate, Cinelerra is not yet in Ubuntu's repos, only available from a ppa. On 02/12/2014 at 3:56 PM, Jimmy Sjölund ji...@sjolund.se wrote: On 12 feb 2014, at 21:20, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote: /me +1 kdenlive ... anyone else using anything that is relevant for video production? relevant = legally viable, currently in the repos, No, I use kdenlive for everything. I thought it was a given and not something that would get removed. I have tried some other similar applications but always come back to kdenlive. I spoke recently online with a film producer who just turned to use FOSS and he had only good things to say about kdenlive. Cinelerra is GPL but also have a community version, none of which are included in the repos yet. A bit more complicated than kdenlive but also said to be more advanced. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing preventing adding linux-sampler to a non-free repo, just as one can add things like flashplayer and nvidia drivers. But, I haven't tried to get it in, and from what I've seen, no one else has gone through with it either. As for the selection of default packages for Ubuntu Studio, one must consider that the mission of Ubuntu Studio is to be a sort of main stream, simple to use, fully configured platform for multimedia production. Especially good for new users to a Linux based platform. We have defined workflows, audio, video, graphics, publishing and photography, and it is those that we present to users. My question on what packages to include, and why (it's quite important to argue for the reason why), was more about what plugins are we missing, is there something really useful that we aren't including. That sort of thing. And also, basic desktop stuff, that helps make things easy for users. Preferably something that most people will want, and not just a minority of our users. These are default applications, so anyone can install additional packages as they please. Anyway, I'll look at the proposals so far. It's only been one day, so hoping there will be some more :). -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, helios martinez dominguez wrote: Apache -- HTTP Server Squid -- Caching proxy for the Web OpenLDAP -- Open source Lightweight Directory Access Protocol Bind 9 -- Domain Name Server Personally I would nix all of these. These are all servers that run in the back ground and would negatively impact audio use. Please remember this is not a server or a game platform, it is for multi-media creation. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
If web server software is included by default, that opens to door to security issues on non-webhosting machines. If I hosted my videos locally, I certainly would not use the same box on which I handle raw video clips (not all of which can be released!) to run the server. On 02/12/2014 at 6:44 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, helios martinez dominguez wrote: They are tools to **PUBLISH CONTENT*** They also interfere with creating content which is _our_ focus. Old computers are easy to find mostly free. Drop ubuntu server on any of them and all those things get added. on another box designed for publishing content. Side note: wine is already included on the 32 bit version, but is not able to be included on the 64bit live DVD image due to the way the image is created. Wine is all (or mostly) 32 bit libs. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
Kdenlive is capable of recording from webcams, I don't have plug-in realtime cameras but if offer Firewire, ffmpeg(via /dev/vdideo0 and video4Linux2), Screen Grab, and Blackmagic recording options On 02/12/2014 at 6:49 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Kdenlive assuming no issue comes along to prevent it from building. It may not Kdenlive is already included. It is what I use for any little bit of video editing I do. It really is a very small amount, video just isn't my thing. I do end up working on some of my wife's personal projects though. I would like to see some thing like LiVES that can record video from a USB or FW camera. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 23:50 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing preventing adding linux-sampler to a non-free repo, just as one can add things like flashplayer and nvidia drivers. You're mistaken. There is difference between non-free and a _violated_ GPL2. The linuxsampler license seems to be illegal. Forwarded Message From: Paul Davis To: Dominique Michel Cc: linux-audio-...@lists.linuxaudio.org Subject: Re: [LAD] io GNU/Linux LiveDVD/USB ... 64-bit iso up :) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:08:23 -0500 On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dominique Michel dominique.mic...@vtxnet.ch wrote: In gentoo, we have another politic with the licences. The free licence are accepted by portage by default, and for the other licences, the user must accept them on a per package basis. For linuxsampler, considered as GPL2, as stated into the source code. It isn't clear that linuxsampler's license is legal. They use the GPL2 and then add restrictions, which is prohibited by the GPL. It may or may not affect the license, but either way it is a wierd situation. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] What should be included by default in Trusty?
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: Kdenlive is capable of recording from webcams, I don't have plug-in realtime cameras but if offer Firewire, ffmpeg(via /dev/vdideo0 and video4Linux2), Screen Grab, and Blackmagic recording options I'll have to try that. LiVES is not the greatest, but better than VLC for recording video. I ended up recording with LiVES and then editing with kdenlive. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
