Re: (rant) Is there any hope
I see some light up ahead in the tunnel! About once a week since Beta 1 came out at the beginning of the month, I've been downloading and trying out the daily build of 12.04. Today, I saw the best 'out of the box' experience with a live DVD ever! I booted the DVD on my AMD64 laptop, launched qjackctl, opened the 'setup' window, selected the 'firewire' driver, clicked OK, accepting all other defults. Clicked 'start', and jack found my focusrite (pro26io) interface and started up. I launched Ardour, created a new session, added two mono tracks, plugged in an available source of audio, and started recording. The recording ran for 25 minutes with NO xruns until the ramdisk filled up. It stopped recording, threw up a message log window, but DID NOT crash jack. I 'rewound' the playhead, hit play. Switched to a second desktop, launched ffado-mixer. It threw a message about inability to connect to the dbus server, but succeeded when I hit 'retry'. I tweaked some of the output mixer settings, and I hear clean audio coming from my monitors. This is a base level of stability and pre-configuration that I expect from a distro, but have never seen in any distro up to this day. Kudos to the team! -- Rick Green Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. -President Barack Obama 20 Jan 2009 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Rick Green r...@aapsc.com wrote: I see some light up ahead in the tunnel! About once a week since Beta 1 came out at the beginning of the month, I've been downloading and trying out the daily build of 12.04. Today, I saw the best 'out of the box' experience with a live DVD ever! I booted the DVD on my AMD64 laptop, launched qjackctl, opened the 'setup' window, selected the 'firewire' driver, clicked OK, accepting all other defults. Clicked 'start', and jack found my focusrite (pro26io) interface and started up. I launched Ardour, created a new session, added two mono tracks, plugged in an available source of audio, and started recording. The recording ran for 25 minutes with NO xruns until the ramdisk filled up. It stopped recording, threw up a message log window, but DID NOT crash jack. I 'rewound' the playhead, hit play. Switched to a second desktop, launched ffado-mixer. It threw a message about inability to connect to the dbus server, but succeeded when I hit 'retry'. I tweaked some of the output mixer settings, and I hear clean audio coming from my monitors. This is a base level of stability and pre-configuration that I expect from a distro, but have never seen in any distro up to this day. Kudos to the team! -- Rick Green Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. -President Barack Obama 20 Jan 2009 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users thank you rick for your comments. we have been working hard to make this release something special (with more plans in the future) and being recognized for the improvements is very appreciated! thanks again, scottl -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 11:09 -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote: When I can no longer use a PCI card, I will do what I did before, research hardware components that are supported. I own a RME HDSPe AIO since around 10 month. No serious work until now, but this RME PCI express card seems to be ok. hdspmixer does work, hdspconf doesn't work. I suspect alsamixer doesn't support all options given by hdspconf, but I guess there aren't serious limits without hdspconf. I ordered a b-stock, customers return for 478,-€, 3 years warranty, at a well known German retailer. Since I don't had enough money to buy more RME components, I additionally ordered a Behringer ADA8000 ADAT device brand-new for 169,-€. I also didn't use it for serious work until now, but I guess it isn't a good device. The RME doesn't work, if pulseaudio is enabled. Ubuntu Studio Oneiric comes without hdspmixer and I just used a foreign package and run into issues. I don't have any issues for other Linux installs. - Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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I have been a jack users since pretty much the beginning. The key is in choosing hardware from vendors who are not hostile to open source OSs. I am a huge fan of my RME 9652 and RME ADI 8-DS, This hardware has worked out of the box on the last 3 machines used (an AMD 4400+, an Intel Core2 duo, and a Sandybridge based Intel). When I can no longer use a PCI card, I will do what I did before, research hardware components that are supported. It sucks that we have to do this, unfortunately there is not a lot that can be done if the hardware vendors provide no assistance. Even a company like RME that has in the past been very cooperative may not always be so (the Fireface is notorious for not working). There is always a price for freedom. On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:39 AM, daniel murray danielmurra...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, I switched from Windows years ago - will never go back...here's my list of hardware that I use that always works: e-machine AMD64 (2.4ghz) 1 GB Ram 160 GB HD Sata 1 M-Audio AudioPhile USB (version 1, 16 bit only) NVidia graphics chipset (imbedded) realtek embedded sound card (TURNED OFF!!) realtek NIC 100MB e-machine intel p4 2.4 ghz 1 gb ram 80 gb HD sata 1 M-Audio Audiophile PCI 24/96 intel graphics chipset realtek NIC 100MB asus MB realtek embedded sound card (TURNED OFF!!) Asus one netbook (LMAO!!) 2 core atom 1ghz cpu 1 GB ram 8 GB hd (5400 rpm - lmao) 8 GB sd (the bad transend sd cards) intel graphics chipset b43 wireless realtek NIC intel iMac (circa 2007) 1 GB Ram 160 GB sata 1 HD intel HDA sound card ATI Raedeon 1600XT intel NIC 1000GB b43 wireless I'm running 11.10 and 10.04 with low-latency kernels. I even use netjack alond with the sneaky ssh -X to link in with other PC's in the studio. Yes there is hope. Cheers, Daniel. On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.dewrote: Am 03.03.2012 20:40, schrieb saearea-t...@yahoo.com: __**__ Von: Hartmut Noackzettber...@linuxuse.de An: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.**ubuntu.comubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Gesendet: 12:24 Samstag, 3.März 2012 Betreff: Re: (rant) Is there any hope Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.: So, if I ready correctly: It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about. Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and mixing environment. Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my Firewire-interface. Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. Options: 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands, for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to support the same as good. 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all you need- realistic option Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others. 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic option I do not really understand, what you mean by a decent Sound API Jack and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either). Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. *Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this. Ubuntu/Linux is supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse? Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work ! What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your interface does
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Jose H. jose...@gmail.com wrote Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. I will be really really really interested on the real statistics. Ubuntu/Linux doesn't have support for very popular devices, for example Line 6. Also applications have conflicts with sound servers, Jack + Pulseaudio for example. For supported devices these are the two sites you should check first: http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Hi Mabe you should try Tango Studio Cheerd Teza Le 3 mars 2012 06:45, Jose H. jose...@gmail.com a écrit : So, if I ready correctly: Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and mixing environment. Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues Options: 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all you need- realistic option 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic option Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. Ubuntu/Linux is supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work !, why ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu Studio. Regards El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, teza tezalp...@gmail.com escribió: Hi Should try.Tango Studio Regards Teza. Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, Rick Green r...@aapsc.com a écrit : for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment? Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface, largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around its quirks When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are stacking up faster than ever. I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a first attempt with the firewire interface... With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely complains that the dbus server isn't running, so I'm forced to open a terminal and start it, then when I restart ffado-mixer, it tells me 'no supported devices found'. This isn't exactly true, for when I go to a terminal and run ffado-test ListDevices, it clearly finds my focusrite pro26IO on node 1. I launch qjackctl, open the setup window, and select the firewire driver, accepting all the defaults for now. When I attempt to start jack, it fails with a 'cannot connect to server as client' message. After many attempts and reboots, I discover that if I start qjackctl and start jack without attempting to start ffado-mixer or ffado-dbus-server first, then jack will actually start! (With 8.04, I HAD to start ffado-mixer first.) I launch Ardour, open a new session, and start to record two tracks of whatever audio happened to be playing on the stereo at the time. About 24 minutes later, just as I'm getting complacent with no xruns recorded(!), jack inexplicably dies, but qjackctl doesn't know it, so it is locked up, too. I ended up having to go back to the terminal and kill -9 everything jack-related I could find, then power down my interface, and power it back on, then restart qjackctl, and finally jack. Only then could I tell Ardour to reconnect and save the session, but for some reason Ardour's transport was messed up. I could move the playhead either directly, or with the | button, but the 'Big Clock' still showed the time at the end of the aborted capture, and the 'play' button or the spacebar had no effect. I closed Ardour, then went to stop jack and close qjackctl, and qjackctl threw messages about a client still connected (Ardour was already shut down at this point), and after I press the 'close anyway' button, then qjackctl itself refuses to quit cleanly, and I get a 'program not responding' message from the window manager, and I'm forced to go back to the terminal and resort to kill -9 again. The developers are over halfway into the 12.04 cycle now, so I don't see any point in submitting bug reports against 11.10 for all this. Have they gotten to the point of publishing any pre-builds of 12.04, and would it be any help to install that and submit bugs
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Hello, I switched from Windows years ago - will never go back...here's my list of hardware that I use that always works: e-machine AMD64 (2.4ghz) 1 GB Ram 160 GB HD Sata 1 M-Audio AudioPhile USB (version 1, 16 bit only) NVidia graphics chipset (imbedded) realtek embedded sound card (TURNED OFF!!) realtek NIC 100MB e-machine intel p4 2.4 ghz 1 gb ram 80 gb HD sata 1 M-Audio Audiophile PCI 24/96 intel graphics chipset realtek NIC 100MB asus MB realtek embedded sound card (TURNED OFF!!) Asus one netbook (LMAO!!) 2 core atom 1ghz cpu 1 GB ram 8 GB hd (5400 rpm - lmao) 8 GB sd (the bad transend sd cards) intel graphics chipset b43 wireless realtek NIC intel iMac (circa 2007) 1 GB Ram 160 GB sata 1 HD intel HDA sound card ATI Raedeon 1600XT intel NIC 1000GB b43 wireless I'm running 11.10 and 10.04 with low-latency kernels. I even use netjack alond with the sneaky ssh -X to link in with other PC's in the studio. Yes there is hope. Cheers, Daniel. On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.dewrote: Am 03.03.2012 20:40, schrieb saearea-t...@yahoo.com: __**__ Von: Hartmut Noackzettber...@linuxuse.de An: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.**ubuntu.comubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Gesendet: 12:24 Samstag, 3.März 2012 Betreff: Re: (rant) Is there any hope Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.: So, if I ready correctly: It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about. Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and mixing environment. Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my Firewire-interface. Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. Options: 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands, for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to support the same as good. 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all you need- realistic option Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others. 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic option I do not really understand, what you mean by a decent Sound API Jack and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either). Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. *Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this. Ubuntu/Linux is supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse? Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work ! What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of MacOSX? Try Google, chances are, you find more than one thread discussing such issues, lesser chance though, that such threads end with the conclusion, that MacOSX would be entirely unusable for musicians , why ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu Studio. I recommend indeed to abandon Ubuntu Studio and try Fedora or Suse. best regards HZN Regards El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, tezatezalp...@gmail.com escribió: Hi Should try.Tango Studio Regards Teza. Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, Rick Greenr...@aapsc.com a écrit : for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my Firewire-interface. Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. I will be really really really interested on the real statistics. Ubuntu/Linux doesn't have support for very popular devices, for example Line 6. Also applications have conflicts with sound servers, Jack + Pulseaudio for example. What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of MacOSX? I really challenge you to find one popular external sound interface that is not supported in MacOSX. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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I will be really really really interested on the real statistics. Ubuntu/Linux doesn't have support for very popular devices, for example Line 6. Also applications have conflicts with sound servers, Jack + Pulseaudio for example. Driver support under Linux is an issue with the vendors not with Linux itself. I hear this complaining on lists all the time and it's preaching to the choir. The people you should be ranting at are the manufacturers not the guys fighting to make things work out of nothing. Also, you are being silly if you think it's that hard to find a reasonable external sound card that is supported under Linux, you aren't trying hard enough. The pulse jack issues is probably the easiest problem I've had to overcome since moving to 100% linux 6 years ago. I'm sick of people acting like they are getting martyred every time they have to stop one sound server and start another. Most people don't even know why a kernel is and issue before they start bitching about how they NEED to have hard realtime. If you ABSOLUTELY need it then you will take the time to figure out how to make it happen although I suspect that said person would need to do more research on what kind of latency you actually need to worry about. If you select hardware with some care and are willing to learn it's a fun and rewarding experience, if you want everything to be magically easy then you picked the wrong platform. Linux might be a be a bit of a walled garden but there are ways in and those of us on the inside are super happy. The vast majority of things that people do with audio production are there for the using and the very few things that aren't I haven't really cared about in a long time. These lists aren't for people to have people to yell at that don't like this or that. Buck up or GTFO. If you wan't to learn there is a vast and deep well of extremely knowledgeable and talented people very willing to help. If you want to pine on about how this or that sucks then be happy using some other software. These lists aren't for people to solve all your problems they are to point you in the right direction to figuring it out on your own. The community doesn't owe anyone anything. We all had to spend time googling to figure things out too and are happy and better for the process. Might be harsh but I'm sick of trying to convince people that Linux and FLOSS are worth it. Either you get it or you don't. Dan -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.: So, if I ready correctly: It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about. Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and mixing environment. Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my Firewire-interface. Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. Options: 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands, for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to support the same as good. 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all you need- realistic option Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others. 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic option I do not really understand, what you mean by a decent Sound API Jack and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either). Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. *Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this. Ubuntu/Linux is supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse? Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work ! What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of MacOSX? Try Google, chances are, you find more than one thread discussing such issues, lesser chance though, that such threads end with the conclusion, that MacOSX would be entirely unusable for musicians , why ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu Studio. I recommend indeed to abandon Ubuntu Studio and try Fedora or Suse. best regards HZN Regards El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, tezatezalp...@gmail.com escribió: Hi Should try.Tango Studio Regards Teza. Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, Rick Greenr...@aapsc.com a écrit : for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment? Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface, largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around its quirks When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are stacking up faster than ever. I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a first attempt with the firewire interface... With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely complains that the dbus server isn't running, so I'm forced to open a terminal and start it, then when I restart ffado-mixer, it tells me 'no supported devices found'. This isn't exactly true, for when I go to a terminal and run ffado-test
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
Von: Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.de An: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Gesendet: 12:24 Samstag, 3.März 2012 Betreff: Re: (rant) Is there any hope Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.: So, if I ready correctly: It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about. Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and mixing environment. Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my Firewire-interface. Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. Options: 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands, for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to support the same as good. 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all you need - realistic option Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others. 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic option I do not really understand, what you mean by a decent Sound API Jack and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either). Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. *Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this. Ubuntu/Linux is supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse? Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work ! What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of MacOSX? Try Google, chances are, you find more than one thread discussing such issues, lesser chance though, that such threads end with the conclusion, that MacOSX would be entirely unusable for musicians , why ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu Studio. I recommend indeed to abandon Ubuntu Studio and try Fedora or Suse. best regards HZN Regards El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, tezatezalp...@gmail.com escribió: Hi Should try.Tango Studio Regards Teza. Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, Rick Greenr...@aapsc.com a écrit : for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment? Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface, largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around its quirks When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are stacking up faster than ever. I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a first attempt with the firewire interface... With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely complains that the dbus
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
Am 03.03.2012 20:40, schrieb saearea-t...@yahoo.com: Von: Hartmut Noackzettber...@linuxuse.de An: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Gesendet: 12:24 Samstag, 3.März 2012 Betreff: Re: (rant) Is there any hope Am 03.03.2012 07:45, schrieb Jose H.: So, if I ready correctly: It would be much easier to find out, what it is, that you read, if you would not top-post but point us to what you are talking about. Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and mixing environment. Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues All this applies to Ubuntu Studio in some cases with some combinations of hardware. It does not apply to many other Linux-Variants, including Ubuntu-derivates like KXStudio. And as far as I am concerned, it does not apply to my setup, that simply works perfectly well with Ubuntu plus the KX-Layer. And so does my Laptop. And my USB-interface and my Firewire-interface. Sorry folks, I really cant help but say: it works for me, just great. It does for about 8 years now, with maybe a dozen different machines and soundcards. And for some friends of mine it does so as well. Options: 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option Fedora, Suse, Debian vanilla: I made music with all of them, with bands, for video everything everybody does with music on computers, all did work OK for me. And yes: some did work for setups Ubuntu failed to support the same as good. 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all you need- realistic option Do, as thou wishest but please consider to accept, that Linux did not work for *you* and *your* setup. It does work for many others. 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic option I do not really understand, what you mean by a decent Sound API Jack and ALSA are consolidated and seam to work (last time I checked I found a few hundred applications and devices that worked good with these APIs). And everything else, that may exist in Linux regarding sound is irrelevant for musicians (and it does not interfere anymore either). Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. *Your own* experience -- thanks for pointing to this. Ubuntu/Linux is supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. In *Your own* experience it may be so. BTW: what other Linux-Variants did you test? Fedora+CCRMA? Pure:Dyne? Suse? Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work ! What if you have Logic on your IBook running MacOSX but alas! Your interface does not come with a driver compatible to that version of MacOSX? Try Google, chances are, you find more than one thread discussing such issues, lesser chance though, that such threads end with the conclusion, that MacOSX would be entirely unusable for musicians , why ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu Studio. I recommend indeed to abandon Ubuntu Studio and try Fedora or Suse. best regards HZN Regards El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, tezatezalp...@gmail.com escribió: Hi Should try.Tango Studio Regards Teza. Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, Rick Greenr...@aapsc.com a écrit : for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment? Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface, largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around its quirks When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are stacking up faster than ever. I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a first attempt with the firewire interface... With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
So, if I ready correctly: Ubuntu Studio is not, and will not be a productive audio recording and mixing environment. Why: 1) kernel issues 2) driver issues Options: 1) Use a new distro that some say is great ! ( a new clone of ubuntu/debian/etc.. ) - not really a good option 2) Just install Windows and be able to do some of the stuff, maybe all you need- realistic option 3) Wait until Linux has a decent Sound API - unrealistic option Well, that conclusion is sound with my own experience. Ubuntu/Linux is supposed to be better than other OSs but definitely music production is not one of those fields in which it gets even to the minimum expected. Personally I think this is because we don't have a firm base to build. You can't expect to have great user apps if you can't even have a good OS layer. Even if you have great apps, for what if you can't get the OS to work !?. We have ZynAddSubFX, but your sound card just doesn't work !, why ?, maybe because pulseaudio, maybe because the driver, maybe because the kernel or maybe because the modules you load ?, or maybe because you are not tired of linux and you just want to play and forget about Ubuntu Studio. Regards El 18 de febrero de 2012 06:04, teza tezalp...@gmail.com escribió: Hi Should try.Tango Studio Regards Teza. Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, Rick Green r...@aapsc.com a écrit : for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment? Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface, largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around its quirks When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are stacking up faster than ever. I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a first attempt with the firewire interface... With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely complains that the dbus server isn't running, so I'm forced to open a terminal and start it, then when I restart ffado-mixer, it tells me 'no supported devices found'. This isn't exactly true, for when I go to a terminal and run ffado-test ListDevices, it clearly finds my focusrite pro26IO on node 1. I launch qjackctl, open the setup window, and select the firewire driver, accepting all the defaults for now. When I attempt to start jack, it fails with a 'cannot connect to server as client' message. After many attempts and reboots, I discover that if I start qjackctl and start jack without attempting to start ffado-mixer or ffado-dbus-server first, then jack will actually start! (With 8.04, I HAD to start ffado-mixer first.) I launch Ardour, open a new session, and start to record two tracks of whatever audio happened to be playing on the stereo at the time. About 24 minutes later, just as I'm getting complacent with no xruns recorded(!), jack inexplicably dies, but qjackctl doesn't know it, so it is locked up, too. I ended up having to go back to the terminal and kill -9 everything jack-related I could find, then power down my interface, and power it back on, then restart qjackctl, and finally jack. Only then could I tell Ardour to reconnect and save the session, but for some reason Ardour's transport was messed up. I could move the playhead either directly, or with the | button, but the 'Big Clock' still showed the time at the end of the aborted capture, and the 'play' button or the spacebar had no effect. I closed Ardour, then went to stop jack and close qjackctl, and qjackctl threw messages about a client still connected (Ardour was already shut down at this point), and after I press the 'close anyway' button, then qjackctl itself refuses to quit cleanly, and I get a 'program not responding' message from the window manager, and I'm forced to go back to the terminal and resort to kill -9 again. The developers are over halfway into the 12.04 cycle now, so I don't see any point in submitting bug reports against 11.10 for all this. Have they gotten to the point of publishing any pre-builds of 12.04, and would it be any help to install that and submit bugs against 12.04pre- instead? -- Rick Green Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety,
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
Hi Should try.Tango Studio Regards Teza. Le 15 févr. 2012 05:11, Rick Green r...@aapsc.com a écrit : for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment? Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface, largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around its quirks When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are stacking up faster than ever. I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a first attempt with the firewire interface... With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely complains that the dbus server isn't running, so I'm forced to open a terminal and start it, then when I restart ffado-mixer, it tells me 'no supported devices found'. This isn't exactly true, for when I go to a terminal and run ffado-test ListDevices, it clearly finds my focusrite pro26IO on node 1. I launch qjackctl, open the setup window, and select the firewire driver, accepting all the defaults for now. When I attempt to start jack, it fails with a 'cannot connect to server as client' message. After many attempts and reboots, I discover that if I start qjackctl and start jack without attempting to start ffado-mixer or ffado-dbus-server first, then jack will actually start! (With 8.04, I HAD to start ffado-mixer first.) I launch Ardour, open a new session, and start to record two tracks of whatever audio happened to be playing on the stereo at the time. About 24 minutes later, just as I'm getting complacent with no xruns recorded(!), jack inexplicably dies, but qjackctl doesn't know it, so it is locked up, too. I ended up having to go back to the terminal and kill -9 everything jack-related I could find, then power down my interface, and power it back on, then restart qjackctl, and finally jack. Only then could I tell Ardour to reconnect and save the session, but for some reason Ardour's transport was messed up. I could move the playhead either directly, or with the | button, but the 'Big Clock' still showed the time at the end of the aborted capture, and the 'play' button or the spacebar had no effect. I closed Ardour, then went to stop jack and close qjackctl, and qjackctl threw messages about a client still connected (Ardour was already shut down at this point), and after I press the 'close anyway' button, then qjackctl itself refuses to quit cleanly, and I get a 'program not responding' message from the window manager, and I'm forced to go back to the terminal and resort to kill -9 again. The developers are over halfway into the 12.04 cycle now, so I don't see any point in submitting bug reports against 11.10 for all this. Have they gotten to the point of publishing any pre-builds of 12.04, and would it be any help to install that and submit bugs against 12.04pre- instead? -- Rick Green Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. -President Barack Obama 20 Jan 2009 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.**ubuntu.comUbuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/** mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-**studio-usershttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 13:02 -0600, Scott Lavender wrote: The following would then see improvements in the user experience. These might include better pulse audio - jack integration (either seemless and transparent or one-click transition) and project automation for work flows (e.g. ladish for audio projects), along with other potential areas. You are aware that many sound cards don't have audio output when pulseaudio is installed, even if it's killed? I need my sound card also when jackd isn't running. Those ugly session handlers need a patched version of jackd. I hope you don't add the refuse-connections-patch as a default to jackd. LTS versions shouldn't have flaws. I only installed Oneiric because I can't wait until April. I suddenly get a job and have no time to set up Arch Linux to become a DAW. If I would have more time, I would prefer Arch Linux at the moment and wait for the release of the next LTS of Ubuntu in April. Lastly, I would like for everyone to keep in mind that we work within the ecosystem of Ubuntu. This means that we are restricted to their policies for the repositories, etc. Therefore, we are limited on which packages can ship, e.g. the RT kernel and those that do not comply for licensing reasons. Of course we also get a huge amount of benefit from Ubuntu/Canonical in terms of hosting, image building, testing, ad naseum, so please do not misconstrue that I am resentful of this situation, as my feeling are quite the opposite. But users should recognize that Ubuntu Studio may be limited on what we can either do or the timing of which we can do it in. There wouldn't be licensing issues if you would add the FLOSS nv graphics driver. The nouveau driver anyway is borked and doesn't work for half of the community. Some people might need the FLOSS nv or proprietary nvidia driver if hard real time is needed, even if the nouveau driver should work on their machines. Pardon, I call it borked, but official it's called experimental. 2 Cents, Ralf I hope this quick email helps explain some of the situations in better context. Please let me know if you have further questions. ScottL working within the paradigm of ubuntu -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 00:11 -0500, Rick Green wrote: [snip] But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. I always build a kernel-rt myself. At least you should use a full preempted with threadirqs set to the boot parameters. There are just a few developers, such as the 64 Studio people, that build kernel-rt I like. For example Arch Linux kernels fail for my Wi-Fi, they exclude HPET to the rt. Ubuntu Studio 11.10 by default comes with the kernel-generic. If you get xruns, first get a kernel-rt, second check if rtirq set your card to the highest priority. I for example need to add hdspm: RTIRQ_NAME_LIST=rtc hdspm snd usb i8042 The second might not have significant impact, but the first, a kernel-rt will improve a lot. [snip] jack inexplicably dies [snip] Did you switch between Jack1 and Jack2? Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 00:11 -0500, Rick Green wrote: [snip] But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. I always build a kernel-rt myself. At least you should use a full preempted with threadirqs set to the boot parameters. There are just a few developers, such as the 64 Studio people, that build kernel-rt I like. For example Arch Linux kernels fail for my Wi-Fi, they exclude HPET to the rt. Ubuntu Studio 11.10 by default comes with the kernel-generic. Yeah, that was the first, worst regression down this slippery slope. What happened? I would think that packaging an -rt kernel would be job 1 for a 'studio' distro. Especially since the RT patches were accepted into mainline. I was comfortable compiling and installing kernels way back in the days of LILO and Linux 1.x, but I could probably count on one hand the number of times I've attempted it since 2.0, and I'm nowhere up to speed on the complexities of grub2 and initrd's, so I'm now dependent on distributor's packages. My portable recording rig runs on an early AMD_64 laptop. The TI firewire and Broadcom Wifi share an IRQ, so I've long ago learned to turn off the Wifi before I start jack. If you get xruns, first get a kernel-rt, second check if rtirq set your card to the highest priority. I for example need to add hdspm: RTIRQ_NAME_LIST=rtc hdspm snd usb i8042 The second might not have significant impact, but the first, a kernel-rt will improve a lot. [snip] jack inexplicably dies [snip] Did you switch between Jack1 and Jack2? Right now, I've got the default package, ISTR jackdmp v1.9.2 or thereabouts. (the machine's not booted at the moment). This confuses me, I thought jackdmp = jack2, and jackd would show v 1.x.x. My machine is just single-core, so I don't need jackdmp. Is there a package for Jack1, and might it be appropriate to switch to it? -- Rick Green Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. -President Barack Obama 20 Jan 2009 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: (rant) Is there any hope
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Rick Green r...@aapsc.com wrote: for Ubuntu Studio as a productive audio recording and mixing environment? Four years ago, I bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 firewire interface, largely because it was listed as one of the best-supported by the ffado project. I loaded up a copy of UbuntuStudio 8.04LTS. The clean install wouldn't talk to the interface, but after I obtained a bleeding-edge copy of the ffado source from one of the developers, and recompiled locally, I was up and running. I've used that installation for every recording I've done since. For the most part it's stable, and I've learned to work-around its quirks When 10.04 came out, I thought I'd upgrade, thinking I'd like to see the latest enhancements to Ardour, and it might be more forgiving of the order I start up programs. But 10.04 wasn't stable enough to run jack for more than a few minutes before the xrun count went thru the roof. Since then, I've tried every new release, and the regressions are stacking up faster than ever. I recently did a clean install of 11.10 (amd64), and tonight gave it a first attempt with the firewire interface... With 8.04, I start ffado-mixer, and it automatically starts the ffado-dbus-server. With this one, it merely complains that the dbus server isn't running, so I'm forced to open a terminal and start it, then when I restart ffado-mixer, it tells me 'no supported devices found'. This isn't exactly true, for when I go to a terminal and run ffado-test ListDevices, it clearly finds my focusrite pro26IO on node 1. I launch qjackctl, open the setup window, and select the firewire driver, accepting all the defaults for now. When I attempt to start jack, it fails with a 'cannot connect to server as client' message. After many attempts and reboots, I discover that if I start qjackctl and start jack without attempting to start ffado-mixer or ffado-dbus-server first, then jack will actually start! (With 8.04, I HAD to start ffado-mixer first.) I launch Ardour, open a new session, and start to record two tracks of whatever audio happened to be playing on the stereo at the time. About 24 minutes later, just as I'm getting complacent with no xruns recorded(!), jack inexplicably dies, but qjackctl doesn't know it, so it is locked up, too. I ended up having to go back to the terminal and kill -9 everything jack-related I could find, then power down my interface, and power it back on, then restart qjackctl, and finally jack. Only then could I tell Ardour to reconnect and save the session, but for some reason Ardour's transport was messed up. I could move the playhead either directly, or with the | button, but the 'Big Clock' still showed the time at the end of the aborted capture, and the 'play' button or the spacebar had no effect. I closed Ardour, then went to stop jack and close qjackctl, and qjackctl threw messages about a client still connected (Ardour was already shut down at this point), and after I press the 'close anyway' button, then qjackctl itself refuses to quit cleanly, and I get a 'program not responding' message from the window manager, and I'm forced to go back to the terminal and resort to kill -9 again. The developers are over halfway into the 12.04 cycle now, so I don't see any point in submitting bug reports against 11.10 for all this. Have they gotten to the point of publishing any pre-builds of 12.04, and would it be any help to install that and submit bugs against 12.04pre- instead? -- Rick Green Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -Benjamin Franklin As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. -President Barack Obama 20 Jan 2009 -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Hi Rick, I'm Scott Lavender, the Ubuntu Studio Project Leader. I would like to address some of your comments and concerns. Is there any future for Ubuntu Studio as an productive audio recording and mixing environment? Absolutely! Is _this_ the time for Ubuntu Studio? No, not really. Not yet. After a period of severe stagnation, there are many changes in progress and others being planned. In some cases we are making changes to simply fix things and in others we are making changes to shape the direction of Ubuntu Studio. I can't answer specifics about your firewire trouble as I don't have a firewire device, but this is an area I would like to make more stable for 12.04. There are people currently on the team we will be using to test this use case. The kernel issue is a sticky wicket. The RT kernel was pulled from the archives, this was not a decision that the Studio Team could
