[ubuntu-uk] Why not fix this?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/128911 This bug has been driving me round the bend now for three releases of Ubuntu. Edgy, Feisty and Gutsy. I really don't know why it isn't getting fixed, any ideas? Using network manager and the madwifi drivers (atheros chipset) cause the user to be disconnected from the access point at regular intervals. This bug seems to be knocking around in lots of incarnations and the problem seems to be this: 1) The madwifi drivers don't support 'background scanning' 2) Network manager instructs the atheros based card to scan for access points in the background whilst it is already associated with an access point. Because the madwifi drivers don't support background scanning, when the instruction to begin background scanning is given then the network card disassociates with the access point, disconnecting the user. This bug is a show stopper for any new user, as they are unlikely to dig into the problem to find out what's causing it. Bugs with similar info: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/37821/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/105637 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/64173 Changing network manager so that it only scans for access points, when the card is not connected to an access point seems to fix the problem. This bug has seriously turned some people off Ubuntu but no-one seems to want to take responsibility for it... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Software Freedom Day - September 15th
On Sun, 2007-07-29 at 19:02 +0100, Ciaran Mooney wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, If you subscribe to the South Birmingham LUG mailing list you may have already seen me ask for help. Saturday September 15th is Software Freedom Day, its a day when local groups try to bring the greatness and pleasure that is open source / free software to the publics attention. http://softwarefreedomday.org/about If a group for Birmingham is registered before 31st July then the Software Freedom Day organisers will send us a lovely free pack to help us with our event. I am confident that I will have registered a group by then, maybe even tonight, but wondered if there is any one else interested in helping out? Thanks, Ciarán -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFGrNZAJ/ce7Ae9PPYRAtXFAJ0Y+fQHTN1ztYbDUL3tJ1eO3ADdHQCfcQT7 ecwwIRp9OfOv9Gigg10hkG8= =QVMw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Hi, I can help, let me know what you need help with. I'm from South Birmingham :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why not fix this?
Hi Chris, On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 08:45:40AM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: This bug has been driving me round the bend now for three releases of Ubuntu. Edgy, Feisty and Gutsy. I really don't know why it isn't getting fixed, any ideas? Get a better supported network card? :S This bug is a show stopper for any new user, as they are unlikely to dig into the problem to find out what's causing it. Hmm. Not wishing to belittle your perception of the importance of this issue, but it never ceases to amaze me how so many bugs are critical or show stoppers. There was a lengthy thread about how the cd ripping application has a bug recently. There were a lot of unnecessarily bad comments on the bug report about how the fact that a dialog box doesn't close under normal circumstances, is a show stopper! Changing network manager so that it only scans for access points, when the card is not connected to an access point seems to fix the problem. This bug has seriously turned some people off Ubuntu but no-one seems to want to take responsibility for it... Have you had a word with the people who can actually _do_ something about it? The developers. Maybe you should drop by #ubuntu-devel or the network manager channel and speak nicely to the devs to see what you can get done. They are people after all, with their own priorities, aims and objectives. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why not fix this?
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 08:30 +, Alan Pope wrote: Hi Chris, On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 08:45:40AM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: This bug has been driving me round the bend now for three releases of Ubuntu. Edgy, Feisty and Gutsy. I really don't know why it isn't getting fixed, any ideas? Get a better supported network card? :S But surely we want to encourage as many people as possible to use ubuntu. You wouldn't want to get a new network card for linux, would you? It's easier to add a few lines to code to network manager. -- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why not fix this?
Hi Alec, On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 09:39:44AM +0100, Alec Wright wrote: On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 08:30 +, Alan Pope wrote: Hi Chris, On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 08:45:40AM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: This bug has been driving me round the bend now for three releases of Ubuntu. Edgy, Feisty and Gutsy. I really don't know why it isn't getting fixed, any ideas? Get a better supported network card? :S But surely we want to encourage as many people as possible to use ubuntu. You wouldn't want to get a new network card for linux, would you? It's easier to add a few lines to code to network manager. You also want to encourage hardware vendors to make cards that have nice open drivers that dont require stupid kludges like madwifi and ndiswrapper to make them work. (stupid as in architecturally insane, not stupid as in bad code) The best way to make a hardware vendor notice these things is to _not_ buy their kit in the first place - vote with your wallet. I bought a laptop which is intel throughout, no nvidia, no ati, no bonkers network stuff. This of course doesn't help everyone, I am just stuggesting that the device in question isn't a lost cause, a plugin pcmcia/usb wireless adapter could be used to overcome the current bug/hurdle. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why not fix this?
Get a better supported network card? :S You also want to encourage hardware vendors to make cards that have nice open drivers that dont require stupid kludges like madwifi and ndiswrapper to make them work. I believe that Atheros have released updates to the HAL in response to issues --- http://madwifi.org/wiki/ChipsetFeatures/BackgroundScanning Unfortunately, whilst the driver is background scanning there is no data transfer - therefore it seems a pretty daft idea to scan of access points in network manager whilst you're associated with one in the first place ;-) Mailing list response from NM lead developer is -- If the driver is actually associated to the AP, then it needs to report that correctly via WEXT, which is the noticed by wpa_supplicant, which is then noticed by NetworkManager. So we need to verify that the driver is doing the right thing first, before crying wolf and patching NetworkManager for something that in reality may not actually be required It kinda seems like an issue of I'm not playing because you're not playing nicely with the other side saying, We don't wanna play to your rules - It's a bit sad to be honest when all it takes is one person to say - OK I'll integrate a patch (that's been written and works) into a program that'll fix the problem. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why not fix this?
Digging a little further, it looks like madwifi have fixed their WEXT compliance :-D http://madwifi.org/ticket/462 It's just beginning to occur to me how difficult it must be to coordinate the work of so many open source developers on a linux distro project!! Chris Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help with custom live CD please?
Alan Well done! Have to admit I never thought about customising splash and wall paper to organisations' corporate identity. Any chance when you feel comfortable with the whole process you could post links to those tutorials / processes that gave you the most help? E E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of alan c Sent: 29 July 2007 23:20 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help with custom live CD please? alan c wrote: I have a window of opportunity to attract attention in a large charity I have helped in the past, and I could very much use a custom (Ubuntu) live CD with a only a few differences from the standard: The boot splash logo, the in-process (Usplash?) screen, and the default wallpaper (as live CD). I have been trying over several long and so far unsuccessful days to follow some guides, and they are excellent, but success is still beyond me, also I tried reconstructor - almost perhaps, but still not working for me. I may only be missing a few vital points of understanding or skill. At least now I am able to use qemu (a first for me) I have stopped making coasters. Can anyone offer some hand holding about this please? I would like to be able to do it, but If a CD magically appeared by some other means I could change priorities from trying to create the CD to trying to influence the Charity. Thanks for the responses! I have persisted, and seem to have made some headway. Reconstructor is good for the simple task I need, and I am making a live CD with boot screen, usplash, and background, all customised, great. I can offer more comments here and details at a later date. Some questions reamain, ( I can follow up you useful leads, thanks) but I basically now have a suitable ubuntu customised cd to fit my immediate need. Something like this with an organization's logo all over it should be good to gain the attention of the target org I have in mind. Not sure how far I will get, but it will certainly start a process. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why not fix this?
Don't just limit this to within Linux projects, any project that crosses inter-department boundaries normally suffers from this to some extent too! I presume that this is personally causing you tooth ache at the moment, so have you uploaded the fixed driver to see if it works, or are you going to wait for it to get logged into mainstream? E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Rowson Sent: 30 July 2007 10:04 To: Alan Pope; British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why not fix this? Digging a little further, it looks like madwifi have fixed their WEXT compliance :-D http://madwifi.org/ticket/462 It's just beginning to occur to me how difficult it must be to coordinate the work of so many open source developers on a linux distro project!! Chris Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why not fix this?
Digging even further it looks like Gutsy ships with the fixed driver anyway, so the fault could lie at the door of network manager after all -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] editing DVD
I have some home made DVDs that I would like to edit and wondered if there was some software which would enable me to transfer the files from the DVD to the hard drive. I would then propose to edit them using Avidemux and re-record. I use Ubuntu 7.04. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] editing DVD
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:53:27 +0100 norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some home made DVDs that I would like to edit and wondered if there was some software which would enable me to transfer the files from the DVD to the hard drive. I would then propose to edit them using Avidemux and re-record. I use Ubuntu 7.04. There are a couple of options for DVD ripping listed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/RippingDVDs The avidemux wiki has some info on one approach to get things from DVD into avidemux: http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/index.php?title=DVD_to_AVI Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com vi vi vi - Editor of the beast. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Usage in the UK
From my own experience of talking to others and generally noticing trends I would say that Ubuntu gets more home usage than Mac OS in the UK. Does anyone have any facts or figures to confirm or deny this? Can anyone suggest any ways to get an idea of how true this is? Mac OS doesn't seem to be very successful in the UK but Ubuntu is getting very popular. Thanks. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why not fix this?
Alan Pope wrote: Hi Alec, On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 09:39:44AM +0100, Alec Wright wrote: On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 08:30 +, Alan Pope wrote: Hi Chris, On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 08:45:40AM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: This bug has been driving me round the bend now for three releases of Ubuntu. Edgy, Feisty and Gutsy. I really don't know why it isn't getting fixed, any ideas? Get a better supported network card? :S But surely we want to encourage as many people as possible to use ubuntu. You wouldn't want to get a new network card for linux, would you? It's easier to add a few lines to code to network manager. You also want to encourage hardware vendors to make cards that have nice open drivers that dont require stupid kludges like madwifi and ndiswrapper to make them work. (stupid as in architecturally insane, not stupid as in bad code) The best way to make a hardware vendor notice these things is to _not_ buy their kit in the first place - vote with your wallet. I bought a laptop which is intel throughout, no nvidia, no ati, no bonkers network stuff. This of course doesn't help everyone, I am just stuggesting that the device in question isn't a lost cause, a plugin pcmcia/usb wireless adapter could be used to overcome the current bug/hurdle. Cheers, Al. Actually, the Madwifi driver is GPL(v2), the reason it's not classed as open is because part of the driver (the ath_hal part to be exact) has to be distributed in a binary only form. This seems to be due to some FCC law. From the README: The ath_hal module contains the Atheros Hardware Access Layer (HAL). This code manages much of the chip-specific operation of the driver. The HAL is provided in a binary-only form in order to comply with FCC regulations. In particular, a radio transmitter can only be operated at power levels and on frequency channels for which it is approved. The FCC requires that a software-defined radio cannot be configured by the user to operate outside the approved power levels and frequency channels. This makes it difficult to open-source code that enforces limits on the power levels, frequency channels and other parameters of the radio transmitter. See http://ftp.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Orders/2001/fcc01264.pdf for the specific FCC regulation. Because the module is provided in a binary-only form it is marked Proprietary; this means when you load it you will see messages that your system is now tainted. A detailed discussion of the pros and cons of this design can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/HAL Terence -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] editing DVD
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 15:36 +0100, norman wrote: I have some home made DVDs that I would like to edit and wondered if there was some software which would enable me to transfer the files from the DVD to the hard drive. I would then propose to edit them using Avidemux and re-record. I use Ubuntu 7.04. There are a couple of options for DVD ripping listed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/RippingDVDs The avidemux wiki has some info on one approach to get things from DVD into avidemux: http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/index.php?title=DVD_to_AVI Thank you, I will investigate and see what's what. This is remarkable. I have used 3 different pieces of software and all three give the same result. Three .vob files are produced the first of which seems to be the entire video whereas the other two are parts and do not cover the whole video. The smaller files play in Avidemux and can be edited but the large file does not play. The sound is there but the video appears as many, almost horizontal coloured lines. Has anyone any idea of what is going on? Norman If it wasn't for them being home made DVD's I would say you need libdvdcss installed. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] editing DVD
snip Thank you, I will investigate and see what's what. This is remarkable. I have used 3 different pieces of software and all three give the same result. Three .vob files are produced the first of which seems to be the entire video whereas the other two are parts and do not cover the whole video. The smaller files play in Avidemux and can be edited but the large file does not play. The sound is there but the video appears as many, almost horizontal coloured lines. Has anyone any idea of what is going on? If it wasn't for them being home made DVD's I would say you need libdvdcss installed. I have checked and you could well be right. Not only have I not got libdvdcss installed I cannot find it with synaptic. Please advise this not very computerate old man on what to do. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] editing DVD
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 17:10 +0100, norman wrote: snip Thank you, I will investigate and see what's what. This is remarkable. I have used 3 different pieces of software and all three give the same result. Three .vob files are produced the first of which seems to be the entire video whereas the other two are parts and do not cover the whole video. The smaller files play in Avidemux and can be edited but the large file does not play. The sound is there but the video appears as many, almost horizontal coloured lines. Has anyone any idea of what is going on? If it wasn't for them being home made DVD's I would say you need libdvdcss installed. I have checked and you could well be right. Not only have I not got libdvdcss installed I cannot find it with synaptic. Please advise this not very computerate old man on what to do. Norman It should just be: sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh But only commercial DVDs are normally scrambled. Wont hurt to give it a try though. Darren -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] editing DVD
I have checked and you could well be right. Not only have I not got libdvdcss installed I cannot find it with synaptic. Please advise this not very computerate old man on what to do. It should just be: sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh But only commercial DVDs are normally scrambled. Wont hurt to give it a try though. I have got libdvdread3 installed so, after all that, that is not the problem. I am puzzled and all my Googling has failed, so far, to throw any light on the problem. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Usage in the UK
- Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my own experience of talking to others and generally noticing trends I would say that Ubuntu gets more home usage than Mac OS in the UK. Does anyone have any facts or figures to confirm or deny this? Can anyone suggest any ways to get an idea of how true this is? Mac OS doesn't seem to be very successful in the UK but Ubuntu is getting very popular. Thanks. It's awkward to figure out how many people use Ubuntu in the UK, as unlike Mac OSX or Windows it isn't sold! Mark Shuttleworth suggested in 2006 that there where around 8 million Ubuntu users http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(Linux_distribution) so I suppose that's as close as you'll get ;-) In comparison Apple claims 15 million users of Mac OSX, so Ubuntu isn't doing too badly given the length of time its been around. Regarding the idea of using a website, Firefox on Ubuntu does report that it is running on ubuntu, however, all the statics packages I've come across only know it as `Unknown variant of Linux`. If you can, get hold of the server's logs. Some statistical checks on that should give you an idea. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] editing DVD
This is remarkable. I have used 3 different pieces of software and all three give the same result. Three .vob files are produced the first of which seems to be the entire video whereas the other two are parts and do not cover the whole video. The smaller files play in Avidemux and can be edited but the large file does not play. The sound is there but the video appears as many, almost horizontal coloured lines. Odd. Do the disks play normally when you aren't trying to rip them? And what exactly are you doing to rip them (maybe someone can spot an error)? Yes the disc plays normally on a DVD player or Movieplayer or Avidemux. As for ripping here is an example:- vobcopy -i /cdrom -m. There are others but they give the same result, from one track three separate files are produced. Two of them play but the one I really want does not. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] editing DVD
I have checked and you could well be right. Not only have I not got libdvdcss installed I cannot find it with synaptic. Please advise this not very computerate old man on what to do. It should just be: sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh But only commercial DVDs are normally scrambled. Wont hurt to give it a try though. I have got libdvdread3 installed so, after all that, that is not the problem. I am puzzled and all my Googling has failed, so far, to throw any light on the problem. Out of interest, do commercial DVDs play? I wonder if it's a video codec problem? It's not a case of the DVD not playing its the .vob files produced by ripping not playing. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] editing DVD
norman wrote: I have checked and you could well be right. Not only have I not got libdvdcss installed I cannot find it with synaptic. Please advise this not very computerate old man on what to do. It should just be: sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh But only commercial DVDs are normally scrambled. Wont hurt to give it a try though. I have got libdvdread3 installed so, after all that, that is not the problem. I am puzzled and all my Googling has failed, so far, to throw any light on the problem. Out of interest, do commercial DVDs play? I wonder if it's a video codec problem? It's not a case of the DVD not playing its the .vob files produced by ripping not playing. Norman If it's a home made DVD (for instance one recorded in a domestic DVD Recorder or DVD Video Camera) then you'll probably find that it isn't encrypted. It might be worth trying dragging and dropping the DVD files from the disc to your hard drive and see if they then play in something like mplayer. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Usage in the UK
Darren Mansell wrote: From my own experience of talking to others and generally noticing trends I would say that Ubuntu gets more home usage than Mac OS in the UK. Does anyone have any facts or figures to confirm or deny this? Can anyone suggest any ways to get an idea of how true this is? Mac OS doesn't seem to be very successful in the UK but Ubuntu is getting very popular. When my UK machine get security updates, what does the repos. server record? -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] editing DVD
snip It's not a case of the DVD not playing its the .vob files produced by ripping not playing. If it's a home made DVD (for instance one recorded in a domestic DVD Recorder or DVD Video Camera) then you'll probably find that it isn't encrypted. It might be worth trying dragging and dropping the DVD files from the disc to your hard drive and see if they then play in something like mplayer. Thanks to all of you for putting up with me but, I think I have solved the problem. I do not know why it works but it appears to do so. I decided to mess around with the the various settings in Avidemux available in the Preferences. Up until now I have always used the default settings but this time I selected Input - Use libavcodec MPEG decoder. The .vob file, which before gave a video of many, almost horizontal lines, played perfectly. Thanks again for trying to help. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Usage in the UK
From the fact that Ubuntu has made wireless connection more friendly, I think that Ubuntu is getting more and more momentum and that students are getting used to it. In Mauritius, Ubuntu has just been introduced and it is only now that people are getting to know what it is all about. I presume it might still be the case in some countries.. As a result, I strongly believe that in a near future, Ubuntu will become more popular than it is now and eventually, the number of users will increase. Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my own experience of talking to others and generally noticing trends I would say that Ubuntu gets more home usage than Mac OS in the UK. Does anyone have any facts or figures to confirm or deny this? Can anyone suggest any ways to get an idea of how true this is? Mac OS doesn't seem to be very successful in the UK but Ubuntu is getting very popular. Thanks. It's awkward to figure out how many people use Ubuntu in the UK, as unlike Mac OSX or Windows it isn't sold! Mark Shuttleworth suggested in 2006 that there where around 8 million Ubuntu users http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(Linux_distribution) so I suppose that's as close as you'll get ;-) In comparison Apple claims 15 million users of Mac OSX, so Ubuntu isn't doing too badly given the length of time its been around. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ - powered by: suntish narain think free, think linux... ubuntu for life!!! - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Usage in the UK
Hi Alan, On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 08:49:14PM +0100, alan c wrote: When my UK machine get security updates, what does the repos. server record? As I understand it this is indeed one of the ways that Ubuntu sysadmins can roughly determine the number of users. Of course this isnt perfect. There's the problem that more than one person might use one computer, some people cache their updates, and many requests will come through an ISP proxy and will thus all come from the same/similar IP. I understand they also use the time server requests that Ubuntu makes after an install to determine rough number of users. Each machine (if net connected) checks in with ntp.ubuntulinux.org to sync the time. Also suceptable to error of course as with checking web requests. Then there is the popularity contest package, which allows the ubuntu guys to know what packages are being installed. Problem with this is that it's an optional feature, so many people will not enable it. I recently heard from a Canonical person that this whole subject of measuring numbers of users is one that comes up frequently - especially within marketing circles. It's very difficult to say what market penetration you have when you really don't know. :) Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
