Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Hi, On 30/09/2007, James Dalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I fail to see what the object of the post is and why it is necessary. /snip As I see it we are not the only ubuntu mailing list/team in the world (+ canonical employees) and everyone speaking to everyone would be a huge mess. So a single point of contact(SPC) between these different groups is the best idea, and I cannot think of a better way to appoint this SPC than a vote from people that know him, even if it is over the 'net. Indeed, having a team contact is required/encouraged in order to better interact with the international community. You can read more at the following pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamContact It's not (necessarily) a position of leadership, that's why the term contact is used. I think Alan is a good choice. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems
Hi, Im using K3b for burning a DVD. Its a DVD RW. I drop some avi files in it. and click on burn. After this it just goes funny. The DVD tray just opens and closes and nothing else happens! Ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling K3b. Im running Fiesty! Thanks-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
big snip I find the tone of your posting very terse, and a fail to see what you are trying to achieve. What I wanted to achieve was an explanation of why it is seen to be necessary, by UK Ubuntu users, to have a team leader. Now, a point of contact is a different matter and, provided that person passes information and requests to Canonical from the UK users, or the other way about, without imposing their personal views, than I say more strength to his or her elbow. I assume the real reason is to help to promote the widening use of Ubuntu and to assist in its improvement and development. snip I have always admired Alan for the initiative he has taken even though I may not necessarily always agree with his approach and my comments in no way are intended in a derogatory manner. Alan's efforts in initiating the tutorial videos were admirable and leave me wondering how he finds time to keep doing them. I too wish him the best of luck and only wish I were in a position to be able to be really helpful. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Hi, On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 16:14 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have won the post of Point of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team. Thanks for the kind words everyone. I hope I can do a good job, and when I'm not, you lot can of course tell me so. By the way, if anyone didn't get the reference in the subject, click.. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-pQdOhUOZzU (flash required) Doctor Who clip Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] OT: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Alan Pope wrote: Hi, On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 16:14 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact Can anyone Name that tune? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Well, if your the master, i'm the Doctor! (and Chris Rowson is K9) Question is who is Rose and Rose's mother? On a more serious note, if you ever need a hand popey just let me know. Regards, On 01/10/2007, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 16:14 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have won the post of Point of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team. Thanks for the kind words everyone. I hope I can do a good job, and when I'm not, you lot can of course tell me so. By the way, if anyone didn't get the reference in the subject, click.. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-pQdOhUOZzU (flash required) Doctor Who clip Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Matthew G Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
I love the bit where Derek Jacobi comes to his senses and whispers I... am the MASTER! like some sort of weird snake or something *shivers* Pete On 01/10/2007, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jim. On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 10:58 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote: Alan Pope wrote: Hi, On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 16:14 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact Can anyone Name that tune? Scissor Sisters I Can't Decide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Can%27t_Decide Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- 'In letters of gold, on a snow-white kite, I will write I Love You! And send it soaring high above you, for all to read!' RIP Billy M 1957-1997 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gathering Ideas from the team
Hi Matthew, On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 12:15 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote: Cool idea, but I think it just adds to the beaucracy and could Adding bureaucracy certainly wasn't my intention. Adding _visibility_ is. Some people have ideas and mention them on the mailing list and then nothing happens. Nobody picks it up or even discusses it further. I'm just suggesting that people make a note somewhere public so others can see the ideas that are flowing around and contribute. If we elevate them to the status of project immediately and it gets done and dusted that's great, we can put those on the CompletedProjects page and all is great. If it sits and festers on the wiki for a bit that's okay too, at least we have a note of it, rather than it being buried in a thread on the mailing list somewhere. actually lessen the amount of projects going on because of the process. A lot of the good projects seem to just happen spontaneously out of the mailing list etc, and then if anything comes out of them it goes on the project screen etc. I can't think of many UK Team projects that have just happened spontaneously. Most have involved some planning and prep. Others have been written down on the wiki and then never really touched or looked at. If we make a note of them and then it gets discussed and people add their names to the pages at least the person with the idea has some inkling that there might be some mileage in it. Maybe this kind of thing could be used for RL meetings etc, I'm just worried this will put people off. We have had two real life meetings so far. One at LUGRadio Live 2007 and one at LinuxWorld Expo 2006. Given that pattern, I wouldn't want to suggest people hold onto their ideas for another year waiting for us to get together to discuss it. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
I never thought I'd miss Bill Gates. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems
STONE COLD wrote: Hi, Im using K3b for burning a DVD. Its a DVD RW. I drop some avi files in it. and click on burn. After this it just goes funny. The DVD tray just opens and closes and nothing else happens! Ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling K3b. Im running Fiesty! Thanks Can you burn DVD R discs okay? Does your burner support both DVD plus and minus media? Have you tried Gnomebaker? Whenever I have problems with K3B it usually at least gives an error message of some description such as the burn is bad (usually in my case down to a duff disc) or something along those lines. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems
STONE COLD wrote: Hi, Im using K3b for burning a DVD. Its a DVD RW. I drop some avi files in it. and click on burn. After this it just goes funny. The DVD tray just opens and closes and nothing else happens! Ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling K3b. Im running Fiesty! Thanks Can you burn DVD R discs okay? Does your burner support both DVD plus and minus media? Have you tried Gnomebaker? Whenever I have problems with K3B it usually at least gives an error message of some description such as the burn is bad (usually in my case down to a duff disc) or something along those lines. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Alan Pope wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3. According to this:- https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have won the post of Point of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team. Hang on a minute!! Your post was dated: Sun Sep 30 16:14:32 BST 2007 Yet the poll was not due to close until: The vote should close Sunday 30th September at 21:00 (BST) [ref: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-September/007274.html] Who prematurely closed the poll, and why? (Come to that, who actually organised the poll on a technical level?) With a narrow margin of only 4 votes separating the top two candidates: Alan Pope for Ubuntu-uk PoC23 Dave Walker for Ubuntu-uk PoC 19 ..at the time that the poll was prematurely closed, this sham of an election must be declared null and void, and re-run. With such a close result, there may have been sufficient members busy doing things at the weekend who had planned to vote later in the evening, who could have influenced the result (either to change it or to show further support for the then-leading candidate), but they have been deprived of the opportunity to cast their vote. Frankly, I'm not at all impressed at a so-called community contact who illegally proclaims his sham victory in such a gloating and juvenile fashion, and such a lack of professionalism does not inspire confidence in how the candidate would undertake the role. Perhaps there will be no change in the result, but we need to be seen as professional and to act in a professional fashion, and for that reason we must re-run the election, with adequate publicity, adequate timescales and under no circumstances varying from the voting procedure once announced and agreed. I therefore propose that the election be re-run (with the same candidates [1]), starting at 0:01 on Thursday 4 October, and closing at 23:59 on Monday 8 October. Under no circumstances should the poll be closed before the closing time. [1] ..unless sufficient members feel that the poll has been mishandled to such an extent that they feel there should be a new call for candidates. I would be grateful if somebody could advise how to create a poll on Launchpad, thanks. David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Dave Walker wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Re: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3. On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 20:27 +0100, norman wrote: This is not a Political organisation. I assume its purpose is to help Ubuntu users and potential users. I fail to see what the object of the post is and why it is necessary. Perhaps, if you have the time, you could educate me and show me whether I am right or wrong. I find the tone of your posting very terse, and a fail to see what you are trying to achieve. I think Norman simply is unsure what the Ubuntu-UK Point of Contact role is for, and is merely asking for some clarification. There seems to be an unfortunate trend amongst some members to adopt too much of the Ubuntu jargon (this is not just an Ubuntu thing, it's far too endemic and 'user-unfriendly' in too much of computing), and when people talk (amongst the mass membership) too much hyper-abbreviated gobbledygook, such as LoCo PoC (hmm, /poco loco/, huh?), it's perhaps not surprising that it can be confusing and offputting to many ordinary Ubuntu users. Let's not forget that while Ubuntu works because of many people contributing a great deal towards the project, and while such typing shorthand may be acceptable in technical discussions within a knowing audience, bear in mind that Ubuntu would be far less successful without its growing userbase: and to encourage ordinary people to try, adopt and even become involved in Ubuntu, we need to speak to them (us) in more human terms. I would hardly call the discussion that took place an argument. It was a discussion.. This was essential, as in Ubuntu-UK's history we have never had an elected Leader/Point of contact. If you can find an organisation that has 267 members and doesn't have an electoral (fair) way of forming leadership, then I will be impressed.=20 As I have made clear, I am unhappy with the way that the election process was run (although I should point out that I am glad that some changes were made as a result of my comments, such as announcing the Poll Opening in a new thread, rather than hidden away almost as an 'aside' buried in an existing thread as had been the case with the abortive IRC poll attempt). However, I am not just going to gripe about it: I am perfectly willing to propose a procedure (because we need to have consistent and fair procedures) for holding such elections in the future, such that we can have a procedure in place in good time for future elections, and not be making something up on the hoof at the last minute. I feel it was essential that the results of the 'Poll' were communicated. Alan, who was successfully in winning the 'Poll' should be the person to announce this IMO. I'm afraid that also doesn't feel right (whoever wins). We should have a neutral 'vote coordinator' who: * is not a candidate * announces the election timetable, including Call for Candidates, Poll Open/Close * announces the results Alan followed the CoC quite happily, as he discussed (with me) whether he should be the one to announce it - and it's content. If you feel the Subject:; was inappropriate blame me. It's just one of those things that doesn't feel right when a not-disinterested party is making the announcements (and the way it was presented with its frivolous subject - which didn't even say who had won, you had to piece that together from the message and the From: field - came over as very unprofessional). Of course, once the official announcement is made, the successful candidate and any others are welcome to comment as they see fit (with whatever degree of frivolity they then feel is appropriate for their 'speech'). We do need to bear in mind that while Ubuntu can of course be fun and frivolous, if we are presenting ourselves to the public - and especially if the Community Contact is likely to engage with the media - we need to present ourselves as we would want others to see us. That doesn't necessarily mean shirt-buttoned-up formality (ugh), but there is a degree of professionalism that is necessary. I would like to thank the 19 people who voted for me; it's a shame I cannot know who you are, as I'd like to thank you all individually. As the very close runner-up, are you not concerned that the poll was closed prematurely, which may have made a significant difference to the result? David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems
from what i can see it is + format! the rewriteable dics are also + format. It is re writeable DVD unit Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:04:24 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems STONE COLD wrote: Hi, Im using K3b for burning a DVD. Its a DVD RW. I drop some avi files in it. and click on burn. After this it just goes funny. The DVD tray just opens and closes and nothing else happens! Ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling K3b. Im running Fiesty! Thanks Can you burn DVD R discs okay? Does your burner support both DVD plus and minus media? Have you tried Gnomebaker? Whenever I have problems with K3B it usually at least gives an error message of some description such as the burn is bad (usually in my case down to a duff disc) or something along those lines. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems
i tried gnomebaker and this is what i got! Executing 'genisoimage -gui -V GnomeBaker data disk -A GnomeBaker -p jav -iso-level 3 -l -r -hide-rr-moved -J -joliet-long -graft-points --path-list /tmp/GnomeBaker-jav/gnomebaker-52PSZT | builtin_dd of=/dev/hdb obs=32k seek=0' I: -input-charset not specified, using utf-8 (detected in locale settings) /dev/hdb: pre-formatting blank DVD+RW... /dev/hdb: Current Write Speed is 2.5x1352KBps. :-[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with SK=5h/ASC=30h/ACQ=10h]: Wrong medium type :-( media is not formatted or unsupported. :-( write failed: Wrong medium type please excuse the cut and paste! Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:04:24 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems STONE COLD wrote: Hi, Im using K3b for burning a DVD. Its a DVD RW. I drop some avi files in it. and click on burn. After this it just goes funny. The DVD tray just opens and closes and nothing else happens! Ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling K3b. Im running Fiesty! Thanks Can you burn DVD R discs okay? Does your burner support both DVD plus and minus media? Have you tried Gnomebaker? Whenever I have problems with K3B it usually at least gives an error message of some description such as the burn is bad (usually in my case down to a duff disc) or something along those lines. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems
So what cd drive do you have? Does it support + dvds? Also have you ever had the drive working before? Original message From: STONE COLD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1 Oct 2007 11:31am -07:00 To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems i tried gnomebaker and this is what i got! Executing 'genisoimage -gui -V GnomeBaker data disk -A GnomeBaker -p jav -iso-level 3 -l -r -hide-rr-moved -J -joliet-long -graft-points --path-list /tmp/GnomeBaker-jav/gnomebaker-52PSZT | builtin_dd of=/dev/hdb obs=32k seek=0' I: -input-charset not specified, using utf-8 (detected in locale settings) /dev/hdb: pre-formatting blank DVD+RW... /dev/hdb: Current Write Speed is 2.5x1352KBps. :-[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with SK=5h/ASC=30h/ACQ=10h]: Wrong medium type :-( media is not formatted or unsupported. :-( write failed: Wrong medium type please excuse the cut and paste! Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:04:24 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems STONE COLD wrote: Hi, Im using K3b for burning a DVD. Its a DVD RW. I drop some avi files in it. and click on burn. After this it just goes funny. The DVD tray just opens and closes and nothing else happens! Ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling K3b. Im running Fiesty! Thanks Can you burn DVD R discs okay? Does your burner support both DVD plus and minus media? Have you tried Gnomebaker? Whenever I have problems with K3B it usually at least gives an error message of some description such as the burn is bad (usually in my case down to a duff disc) or something along those lines. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 18:29 +0100, David M wrote: SNIP Hi David, You have raised some good points. I opened the 'Poll', and the process to do so is not well documented. There are some failings with the Launchpad documentation in this area. As you could probably see, there were infact two polls. This was because I opened the first one, then went to add the candidates. It seems that once a Poll starts you cannot add 'options'. So a second poll had to be opened with a future start-time. The second poll, I am not entirely sure went wrong with the timing; but as Launchpad only stated the date it would end, and not the hours until quite late on it wasn't noticed initially. Once i realised I immediately tried to rectify this error; As it required manual database access - I tried to contact all Launchpad 'devs', and there were not any available with suitable access privilege to make the change. I was the 'runner-up', and I do not object to the outcome. If a significant proportion of the community feel that it should be re-staged then I will not object - but I do feel it is unnecessary. I agree that there has been numerous problems with the electoral process. However, this is our first formal election and I think 'teething' should be expected. I think our community has learnt from this; and the next vote should be somewhat more professional. I will blog/wiki the process, and hopefully other teams can learn from our mistakes. In reference to Alan's announcement, he did consult with me regarding the content of the posting. I suggested the Subject:, and he used it. I cannot speak for the other candidates, but I know Alan didn't wish the context to be conveyed as 'gloating', just humorous. Kind Regards, Dave Walker signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems
Alec Wright wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 18:11 +0100, Rob Beard wrote: Can you burn DVD R discs okay? Does your burner support both DVD plus and minus media? Have you tried Gnomebaker? Whenever I have problems with K3B it usually at least gives an error message of some description such as the burn is bad (usually in my case down to a duff disc) or something along those lines. Rob This message appeared in my inbox three times You might wanna have a look at your settings ;) Sorry about that, my mailserver was having a funny turn. Looks like it's finally time to give it a bit more memory and a faster CPU. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Voting Processes and Democracy
NO -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Voting Processes and Democracy
No Original message From: Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1 Oct 2007 12:37pm -07:00 To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Voting Processes and Democracy NO -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Voting Processes and Democracy
So that'll be a no then Chris ;-) :-P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Voting Processes and Democracy
On 01/10/2007, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I'm sure that most of you are aware a discussion has taken place on the mailing list as to the legitimacy and accuracy of the PoC election process. I'm becoming somewhat concerned at the direction these discussions are taking, as on occasion (in my humble opinion) they may be regarded as coming close to a personal attack. I'd like to take this opportunity to direct you all to the Ubuntu Code of Conduct which many of us have signed. If you'd like to read it, you can find it here: www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct. Please pay close attention to the section entitled 'Be Respectful'. It reads We may not always agree, but disagreement is no excuse for poor behaviour and poor manners. We might all experience some frustration now and then, but we cannot allow that frustration to turn into a personal attack. Lets not degenerate into a rabble please, I'm sure that this can be sorted out. Perhaps an easy way to sort this out would be to simply poll the thoughts of the interested parties without all of the emotion. The question is quite simply do you want the election to be held again, yes or no? No. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Voting Processes and Democracy
On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 20:37 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: As I'm sure that most of you are aware a discussion has taken place on the mailing list as to the legitimacy and accuracy of the PoC election process. I'm becoming somewhat concerned at the direction these discussions are taking, as on occasion (in my humble opinion) they may be regarded as coming close to a personal attack. I'd like to take this opportunity to direct you all to the Ubuntu Code of Conduct which many of us have signed. If you'd like to read it, you can find it here: www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct. Please pay close attention to the section entitled 'Be Respectful'. It reads We may not always agree, but disagreement is no excuse for poor behaviour and poor manners. We might all experience some frustration now and then, but we cannot allow that frustration to turn into a personal attack. Lets not degenerate into a rabble please, I'm sure that this can be sorted out. Perhaps an easy way to sort this out would be to simply poll the thoughts of the interested parties without all of the emotion. The question is quite simply do you want the election to be held again, yes or no? No, thank you. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
On 30/09/2007, ged [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason I didn't vote was the fact that you had to be registered on Launchpad. I followed the link to join and then thought that I had no right being there. It appeared to be for developers. I think Launchpad was originally made as a developer tool, but it's now been extended to other purposes. Then I thought should I be on this list at all ? Should I ? Yes, absolutely! It's for discussion about the Ubuntu-UK team, and Ubuntu use in the UK. It also seems to be a good place to ask for help if you're having problems using Ubuntu or one of the variants. Hope this helps. Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Home Servers
Wait for the newest version of ubuntu server which will install all those features, for admin id use webmin. My advice for security would be make sure you setup a firewall and also make sure you have all the permissions on files shared on the web server set to the usual. Regards, daniel Original message From: Matthew Daubney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1 Oct 2007 1:24pm -07:00 To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Home Servers Hey all, I've had a machine running as an ad-hoc web/file servery thing across my home internet connection (shared 20Mb Virgin Media stuffs (MB? I always get the upper/lower case B's confused)) and have considered turning the machine solely over to this after getting my nice shiny new dell laptop. If I turned it to this permanantly (as I hope to!) I'd obviously need a bit more info on setting it up re:security and suggested programs (I'd end up largley running Apache/PHP/mod_mono as I'm considering going into web design and it'd be good practice to get used to as many languages as possible). I'd also be considering using it as a mailserver, but have never set one of these up, ever. So any advice on mail packages and the like would also be much appreciated!! The box itself is a 4GHz Hyperthreaded P4 with 1.5gb of RAM and 2*250gb hdd's (it also currently has 2 flatscreens, but it won't need them once it's been serverised!) Thanks very much (as usual) for any info! -Matt Daubney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems
its a lightscribe... it does support + yes and yes i have used it to burn b4 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:41:16 + Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems So what cd drive do you have? Does it support + dvds? Also have you ever had the drive working before? Original message From: STONE COLD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1 Oct 2007 11:31am -07:00 To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems i tried gnomebaker and this is what i got! Executing 'genisoimage -gui -V GnomeBaker data disk -A GnomeBaker -p jav -iso-level 3 -l -r -hide-rr-moved -J -joliet-long -graft-points --path-list /tmp/GnomeBaker-jav/gnomebaker-52PSZT | builtin_dd of=/dev/hdb obs=32k seek=0' I: -input-charset not specified, using utf-8 (detected in locale settings) /dev/hdb: pre-formatting blank DVD+RW... /dev/hdb: Current Write Speed is 2.5x1352KBps. :-[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with SK=5h/ASC=30h/ACQ=10h]: Wrong medium type :-( media is not formatted or unsupported. :-( write failed: Wrong medium type please excuse the cut and paste! Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:04:24 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems STONE COLD wrote: Hi, Im using K3b for burning a DVD. Its a DVD RW. I drop some avi files in it. and click on burn. After this it just goes funny. The DVD tray just opens and closes and nothing else happens! Ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling K3b. Im running Fiesty! Thanks Can you burn DVD R discs okay? Does your burner support both DVD plus and minus media? Have you tried Gnomebaker? Whenever I have problems with K3B it usually at least gives an error message of some description such as the burn is bad (usually in my case down to a duff disc) or something along those lines. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Voting Processes and Democracy
Hi, On Monday 01 October 2007 20:37:05 Chris Rowson wrote: As I'm sure that most of you are aware a discussion has taken place on the mailing list as to the legitimacy and accuracy of the PoC election process. snip The question is quite simply do you want the election to be held again, yes or no? I've not been particularly involved in the Ubuntu-UK team so far, so take my comments with that in mind, but at the risk of voting for the People's Popular Front of Judea rather than the Popular Front of the People of Judea, it seems that if the vote closed earlier than the time it was supposed to, and it's entirely probable that people would have voted in the evening and hence changed the (close) result, I think it seems like maybe the only legitimate option is to run the thing again. I.e: Yes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be annoying, and I'd rather we all just focused on promoting [X|K|Ed]ubuntu (I notice that the government certification task is currently unattended, and at uni we have a whole load of new first years to educate about the joys of free software), but it strikes me that if we're gonna do the democracy thing, we might as well do it right. Thanks for reading, Pete. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Voting Processes and Democracy
The question is quite simply do you want the election to be held again, yes or no? No thank you. Dougie Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.lynxworks.eu/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Dave Walker wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Re: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands onhigh, playing track 3. I opened the 'Poll', and the process to do so is not well documented. [..] The second poll, I am not entirely sure went wrong with the timing; but as Launchpad only stated the date it would end, and not the hours until quite late on it wasn't noticed initially. Once i realised I immediately tried to rectify this error; As it required manual database access - I tried to contact all Launchpad 'devs', and there were not any available with suitable access privilege to make the change. Thanks for the explanation, Dave. Thanks also to Alan for his similar reply. It seems that the situation was really just an old-fashioned 'cock-up' rather than a 'conspiracy' and perhaps I should not have been so quick to express concern. I apologise to Alan if I have impugned him in my comments, but I am sure you can understand why I thought it looked like a bit of a fast one was being pulled. I was the 'runner-up', and I do not object to the outcome. If a significant proportion of the community feel that it should be re-staged then I will not object - but I do feel it is unnecessary. I must admit that you are being very gracious in defeat :) OK, given that it was just a sequence of teething troubles and mistakes, and that the runner-up is willing to accept the result (I should point out that from your Ubuntu 'CVs' either of Alan or Dave would be good candidates), if there is no strong feeling for a re-run of the election then I'm happy to let it rest. Obviously, anybody who did intend to vote, and was unable to, should speak out if they still have concerns. I agree that there has been numerous problems with the electoral process. However, this is our first formal election and I think 'teething' should be expected. I think our community has learnt from this; and the next vote should be somewhat more professional. I will blog/wiki the process, and hopefully other teams can learn from our mistakes. That sounds like an excellent idea. If I can assist with future votes, etc, I am happy to volunteer to help out. In reference to Alan's announcement, he did consult with me regarding the content of the posting. I suggested the Subject:, and he used it. I cannot speak for the other candidates, but I know Alan didn't wish the context to be conveyed as 'gloating', just humorous. OK, my apologies. It just came over the wrong way given what looked liked slightly dubious circumstances. (I didn't recognise it as a Doctor Who quote and just thought it was a bit too megalomaniac, even if intended humorously, in the circumstances.) ..anyway, the current incarnation of the Master was a bit crap, anyhow ;-( David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) -- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content = filtered! Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems
Ok, well maybe its not got the correct driver for the lightscribe? Might be the case, can you try a blank cd? Regards, daniel Original message From: STONE COLD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1 Oct 2007 2:15pm -07:00 To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems its a lightscribe... it does support + yes and yes i have used it to burn b4 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:41:16 + Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems So what cd drive do you have? Does it support + dvds? Also have you ever had the drive working before? Original message From: STONE COLD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1 Oct 2007 11:31am -07:00 To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems i tried gnomebaker and this is what i got! Executing 'genisoimage -gui -V GnomeBaker data disk -A GnomeBaker -p jav -iso-level 3 -l -r -hide-rr-moved -J -joliet-long -graft-points --path-list /tmp/GnomeBaker-jav/gnomebaker-52PSZT | builtin_dd of=/dev/hdb obs=32k seek=0' I: -input-charset not specified, using utf-8 (detected in locale settings) /dev/hdb: pre-formatting blank DVD+RW... /dev/hdb: Current Write Speed is 2.5x1352KBps. :-[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with SK=5h/ASC=30h/ACQ=10h]: Wrong medium type :-( media is not formatted or unsupported. :-( write failed: Wrong medium type please excuse the cut and paste! Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:04:24 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems STONE COLD wrote: Hi, Im using K3b for burning a DVD. Its a DVD RW. I drop some avi files in it. and click on burn. After this it just goes funny. The DVD tray just opens and closes and nothing else happens! Ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling K3b. Im running Fiesty! Thanks Can you burn DVD R discs okay? Does your burner support both DVD plus and minus media? Have you tried Gnomebaker? Whenever I have problems with K3B it usually at least gives an error message of some description such as the burn is bad (usually in my case down to a duff disc) or something along those lines. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Hi Jed In case I missed a response to your questions, apologies up front. Some of the members on this list may well be developers involved either directly or indirectly with Ubuntu, or indeed other projects, but this list is not for them as they have their own. Neither is it solely for use by geeks or IT Professionals only. The sole intent of this list is to help Ubuntu users in all it's various flavours, to aid, assist and guide, and occasionally to go off topic - perhaps if you think of the list as more of a social club with technical expertise thrown in for good measure you'll have a better understanding of how I see and treat this list. Now if that approach is wrong I'll step out into the Vortex E PS Well done Alan too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ged Sent: 30 September 2007 19:02 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3. Alan Pope wrote: * Not many people voted (44 out of a possible 260+). Possibly down to the accelerated schedule we set up for the vote, voter apathy or maybe something else. We need to look at whether that number is fair and representative (maybe only 44 people actually 'contribute' to Ubuntu-UK, maybe only 44 people saw the mail) and if it isn't, look at ways to improve that. Further mails to follow. Many thanks Al. Congratulations Alan. The reason I didn't vote was the fact that you had to be registered on Launchpad. I followed the link to join and then thought that I had no right being there. It appeared to be for developers. Then I thought should I be on this list at all ? Should I ? I'm a kubuntu using taxi driver who was told about ubuntu-uk by a chap who turned up at my local lug (manlug) and asked if there was any objection to holding joint meetings. I signed up to this mailing list then, but I've never seen him since. So the question is -- Is this the right place to be ? Ged p.s. I would have voted for you anyway and can we have a screencast of the election result please ? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems
This might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=322829 Regards, Daniel _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of STONE COLD Sent: 01 October 2007 22:15 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems its a lightscribe... it does support + yes and yes i have used it to burn b4 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:41:16 + Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems So what cd drive do you have? Does it support + dvds? Also have you ever had the drive working before? Original message From: STONE COLD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1 Oct 2007 11:31am -07:00 To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems i tried gnomebaker and this is what i got! Executing 'genisoimage -gui -V GnomeBaker data disk -A GnomeBaker -p jav -iso-level 3 -l -r -hide-rr-moved -J -joliet-long -graft-points --path-list /tmp/GnomeBaker-jav/gnomebaker-52PSZT | builtin_dd of=/dev/hdb obs=32k seek=0' I: -input-charset not specified, using utf-8 (detected in locale settings) /dev/hdb: pre-formatting blank DVD+RW... /dev/hdb: Current Write Speed is 2.5x1352KBps. :-[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with SK=5h/ASC=30h/ACQ=10h]: Wrong medium type :-( media is not formatted or unsupported. :-( write failed: Wrong medium type please excuse the cut and paste! Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:04:24 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] K3b- Burning DVD problems STONE COLD wrote: Hi, Im using K3b for burning a DVD. Its a DVD RW. I drop some avi files in it. and click on burn. After this it just goes funny. The DVD tray just opens and closes and nothing else happens! Ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling K3b. Im running Fiesty! Thanks Can you burn DVD R discs okay? Does your burner support both DVD plus and minus media? Have you tried Gnomebaker? Whenever I have problems with K3B it usually at least gives an error message of some description such as the burn is bad (usually in my case down to a duff disc) or something along those lines. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Launchpad and mailing list was: (Re: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.)
On 30/09/2007, ged [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason I didn't vote was the fact that you had to be registered on Launchpad. I followed the link to join and then thought that I had no right being there. It appeared to be for developers. I think Launchpad was originally made as a developer tool, but it's now been extended to other purposes. Then I thought should I be on this list at all ? Should I ? Yes, absolutely! It's for discussion about the Ubuntu-UK team, and Ubuntu use in the UK. It also seems to be a good place to ask for help if you're having problems using Ubuntu or one of the variants. Hope this helps. Hwyl, Neil. Ian Pascoe wrote: Hi Jed In case I missed a response to your questions, apologies up front. Some of the members on this list may well be developers involved either directly or indirectly with Ubuntu, or indeed other projects, but this list is not for them as they have their own. Neither is it solely for use by geeks or IT Professionals only. The sole intent of this list is to help Ubuntu users in all it's various flavours, to aid, assist and guide, and occasionally to go off topic - perhaps if you think of the list as more of a social club with technical expertise thrown in for good measure you'll have a better understanding of how I see and treat this list. Now if that approach is wrong I'll step out into the Vortex E PS Well done Alan to ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Ged Byrom wrote: Just a quick thank you to Neil and Ian for the replies.I will continue to tune in to this list. I also found kubuntu-users which I hadn't seen before. So I,ve signed up for that aswell. I'll go and sign up on launchpad now in case there are any more votes. Thanks again Ged -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tag Lines?
Hello list I'm working on some web based adverts to do a little Ubuntu advocacy. Now I know you 'orrible lot are a talented bunch [FYI - that was some flattery] so I thought I'd ask for your ideas and opinions. Basically there's an image based link along with a text based link. The images are already sorted but the text based links need a little creative thinking. The format goes like this: Ubuntu Linux, --insert tag line with 10 words or less-- The tag line needs to sell Ubuntu as best as it can. Serious and comical suggestions welcome :-) Any help is greatly appreciated. Cheers Phil/. P.S. No points for suggesting Linux for Human Beings! :D -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
