Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread Tom Bamford

Keith Gregory wrote:

norman wrote:
  

Sorry to keep labouring the point but, please, to avoid total confusion
which do I make the master, Ubuntu or Windows?

Norman


The easiest way is to make windows the master, Ubuntu the slave

kfg
  
Yep, then reverse the drive order once Windows is set up. If you do it 
this way you won't have to keep changing the BIOS boot order as well, 
just keep it set to boot from the first drive.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Website of the year award...

2007-11-27 Thread Rob Beard
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
> http://www.policegiftshop.co.uk/
> 
> Check out the babygrows! :o)
> 
> M.
> 
> 

I do like the babygrows - especially the one that says "I've been inside 
for 9 months".

I wonder if they do children's toy speed cameras.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Website of the year award...

2007-11-27 Thread Chris Rowson
On Nov 27, 2007 10:03 PM, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.policegiftshop.co.uk/
>
> Check out the babygrows! :o)
>
> M.
>
>

Superb!

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[ubuntu-uk] [OT] Website of the year award...

2007-11-27 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
http://www.policegiftshop.co.uk/

Check out the babygrows! :o)

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[ubuntu-uk] Error Message when updating

2007-11-27 Thread Keith Gregory
I install 7.10 on this laptop a few weeks ago and have not touched it 
since. Tonight on starting up I used Synaptic Package Manager to get the 
updates and received the following error message;

E: Could not open file 
/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_main_i18n_Translation-en%5fGB
 
- open (2 No such file or directory)
E: Could not open file 
/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_universe_i18n_Translation-en%5fGB
 
- open (2 No such file or directory)
E: Could not open file 
/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_restricted_i18n_Translation-en%5fGB
 
- open (2 No such file or directory)
E: Could not open file 
/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_multiverse_i18n_Translation-en%5fGB
 
- open (2 No such file or directory)
E: Internal error opening cache (3). Please report.

Advice Please on error and where to report too.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Squid

2007-11-27 Thread Stephen Drake
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 19:19 +, Michael Rimicans wrote:
> So if squid is running on a server which is connected to the internet
> and all the computers connect to squid proxy on (for example)port
> 8000, is squid sharing the internet connection or not?
> 
> 
> 
> Kris Marsh wrote: 
> > On Nov 26, 2007 7:30 PM, Michael Rimicans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   
> > > Greetings,
> > > 
> > > Quick question:
> > > 
> > > Can squid proxy server also be used to share an internet connection over
> > > a small office network?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > 
> > Hi Michael, that's not really what it's used for (although, it can be
> > used in conjunction with NAT, to speed up popular websites).
> > 
> > You will probably want to use NAT / IP Masquerading:
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=111972
> > 
> > Kris
> > 
> >   
> 

The important distinction here is the difference between a web proxy and
an Internet sharing device.

A web proxy such as Squid deals with http(s) traffic only*. This means
no icmp, rtp, udp, bittorrent etc unless it's tunnelled through
http(s). 

An Internet sharing device such as router or a simple NAT box will allow
you to forward all kinds of traffic back and forth to the Internet.
Basically, it allows many computers to share one IP address.

Regards,
Steve

*It does FTP too.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Squid

2007-11-27 Thread Michael Rimicans
Its funny when you read one item and all of a sudden every thing drops 
into place.


Cheers for the info, it'll proper ding dang do and yep, it is a cheap 
SOHO router ;)

People who I work for would never spend for Cisco switch at my level :(


Chris Rowson wrote:

I mean.

  

, I guess you could say that your SERVER is now 'sharing your
internet connection'.



Also, I'm assuming that the router is cheapy bog standard SOHO router
and not a nice uber Cisco switch with it's own settings/routes etc
etc...

Chris

  


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Pen drive not automounting.

2007-11-27 Thread Michael Wood
Andrew Jenkins wrote:
> Andrew Jenkins wrote:
>   
>> OK here goes,
>>
>> Using Ubuntu 7.10 for over a year and all works well.
>> 
>
> Sorry, Ubuntu for over a year, 7.10 for a month.
>
>   
>> If I plug in a pen-drive when running Gnome it will
>> automount and place an icon on the desktop, 'mount'
>> will show the entry:
>>
>> /dev/sdc1 on /media/kingston type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,
>> shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree)
>>
>> and all is well.
>> Now the problem, if I connect the same pen-drive when
>> running KDE (which I use as default) it USED to work
>> the same (Desktop icon etc.) however it stopped working.
>> Now it will not mount the drive when running KDE unless
>> I do it manually with:
>>
>> sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/directory
>>
>> By the way, when I plug the drive in I'm running either
>> Gnome or KDE as a user (the same user in both cases).
>>
>> What is happening here and how do I fix things?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andy Jenkins.
>>
>> 
>
>
>   
There are problems with gutsy and usb mounting for SOME usb 
drives/sticks . Two tricks that have been successful for me are:

1) Give up on hal/etc and add a line to fstab
or try:
2) sudo modprobe -r ehci_hcd
and plug it out and in again.

If this works you could blacklist this module

regards,

Michael




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Squid

2007-11-27 Thread Chris Rowson
I mean.

>, I guess you could say that your SERVER is now 'sharing your
> internet connection'.

Also, I'm assuming that the router is cheapy bog standard SOHO router
and not a nice uber Cisco switch with it's own settings/routes etc
etc...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Squid

2007-11-27 Thread Chris Rowson
>
>  So if squid is running on a server which is connected to the internet and
> all the computers connect to squid proxy on (for example)port 8000, is squid
> sharing the internet connection or not?
>

Lets assume for the moment, that you have an office with a 12 port
router which is in turn connected to a modem. The router has 6 PCs and
1 server patched into it.

Internet ---> Modem ---> Router ---> 6x PCs 1x Server

In this case it's the router that's doing the internet connection
sharing. If we disable the proxy settings on a PC, it should still be
able to get to the Internet because the router is doing the connection
sharing.

You could have a setup like this instead.

Internet ---> Modem ---> Server ---> Router ---> 6x PCs

In this case the server has 2 network interface cards (NIC). One card
connects exclusively to the Ethernet (out) port on your modem device,
and one connects to the router.

In this case you need a script which sets up some iptables rules to
divert all of the traffic coming in on the network facing NIC and
divert all traffic *other than port 80* to the Internet facing NIC.
The script sends all port 80 traffic to port 3128 (or whatever) on the
squid server (which does what it has to do with the traffic then
returns cached data or sends the request on it's merry way to the
Net).

All you now have to do is set the ip address of your server as the
gateway address for your PCs.

You now have a transparent proxy server. You don't have to set proxy
settings in your PC anymore as all traffic goes through the server. In
a way, I guess you could say that your PC is now 'sharing your
internet connection'.

If you want to implement a transparent proxy server, luckily enough I
documented what I did the last time I needed to do it. It's here:

http://justuber.com/linux:ubuntu_and_debian:ubuntu_transparent_proxy

Does that clear things up any for you?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Pen drive not automounting.

2007-11-27 Thread Andrew Jenkins
Andrew Jenkins wrote:
> OK here goes,
> 
> Using Ubuntu 7.10 for over a year and all works well.

Sorry, Ubuntu for over a year, 7.10 for a month.

> If I plug in a pen-drive when running Gnome it will
> automount and place an icon on the desktop, 'mount'
> will show the entry:
> 
> /dev/sdc1 on /media/kingston type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,
> shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree)
> 
> and all is well.
> Now the problem, if I connect the same pen-drive when
> running KDE (which I use as default) it USED to work
> the same (Desktop icon etc.) however it stopped working.
> Now it will not mount the drive when running KDE unless
> I do it manually with:
> 
> sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/directory
> 
> By the way, when I plug the drive in I'm running either
> Gnome or KDE as a user (the same user in both cases).
> 
> What is happening here and how do I fix things?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Andy Jenkins.
> 


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[ubuntu-uk] Pen drive not automounting.

2007-11-27 Thread Andrew Jenkins

OK here goes,

Using Ubuntu 7.10 for over a year and all works well.
If I plug in a pen-drive when running Gnome it will
automount and place an icon on the desktop, 'mount'
will show the entry:

/dev/sdc1 on /media/kingston type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,
shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree)

and all is well.
Now the problem, if I connect the same pen-drive when
running KDE (which I use as default) it USED to work
the same (Desktop icon etc.) however it stopped working.
Now it will not mount the drive when running KDE unless
I do it manually with:

sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/directory

By the way, when I plug the drive in I'm running either
Gnome or KDE as a user (the same user in both cases).

What is happening here and how do I fix things?

Regards,

Andy Jenkins.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread Keith Gregory
norman wrote:
> Sorry to keep labouring the point but, please, to avoid total confusion
> which do I make the master, Ubuntu or Windows?
> 
> Norman
> 
> 
The easiest way is to make windows the master, Ubuntu the slave

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Squid

2007-11-27 Thread Michael Rimicans
So if squid is running on a server which is connected to the internet 
and all the computers connect to squid proxy on (for example)port 8000, 
is squid sharing the internet connection or not?




Kris Marsh wrote:

On Nov 26, 2007 7:30 PM, Michael Rimicans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Greetings,

Quick question:

Can squid proxy server also be used to share an internet connection over
a small office network?





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Hi Michael, that's not really what it's used for (although, it can be
used in conjunction with NAT, to speed up popular websites).

You will probably want to use NAT / IP Masquerading:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=111972

Kris

  


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread norman
Sorry to keep labouring the point but, please, to avoid total confusion
which do I make the master, Ubuntu or Windows?

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread Keith Gregory
Keith Gregory wrote:
> norman wrote:
> 
>> Thanks every one for being so helpful I will try things, hopefully,
>> tomorrow and will report back. Incidentally, does it matter which drive
>> the end of the cable is connected to?
>>
>> Norman
>>
>>
> 
> Normally The primary drive is on the end, secondary in the middle.
> 
> Here,s a bit of extra reading,
> 
> http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS-c.html
> 
> 

Correction

"Normally The primary drive is on the end, secondary in the middle."

This may not be right for you, it depends on what cable your using I think

I have just remembered I had to fiddle around a bit in the bios to get 
this to work

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread Keith Gregory
norman wrote:

> Thanks every one for being so helpful I will try things, hopefully,
> tomorrow and will report back. Incidentally, does it matter which drive
> the end of the cable is connected to?
> 
> Norman
> 
> 

Normally The primary drive is on the end, secondary in the middle.

Here,s a bit of extra reading,

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS-c.html


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread norman
< snip >

Thanks again to every one for suggestions, I shall hold my breath and
have a go in the morning.

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Using Rsync to make incremental backups[Scanned]

2007-11-27 Thread Paul Brunt
You may also want to look into using simple old tar, which can perform 
incremental backups, see:
http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/Incremental-Dumps.html

Paul Tansom wrote:
> ** Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-11-23 21:04]:
>   
>> I'm hoping someone could help me with something I'm trying to achieve 
>> with regards to backing up a friend's server to an external hard drive.
>>
>> Basically what he wants is to be able to run a nightly backup from his 
>> server to a USB FAT32 formatted external hard drive.
>>
>> However, what he wants is only any files that have changed to be copied 
>> over, and these files to be copied over into a new directory on the drive.
>>
>> I've been looking into rsync to do this.  I've managed to do an initial 
>> copy of his files from his server to the drive and then I've tried to 
>> add some files to the server and then run rsync using the --backup-dir 
>> switch which I've been pointing to the existing data on the USB drive.
>>
>> I can't seem to get it to copy only the differences though.
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone knew how to achieve this, or is it not 
>> possible with a FAT32 formatted drive (which doesn't support hard links 
>> as far as I know)?
>>
>> To be honest I think it would be much easier to just copy the full 
>> directory every night.
>> 
> ** end quote [Rob Beard]
>
> I thought that was exactly what rsync did, just copy the changed files.
> When I use it I get a report on the 'speedup' as a result of only
> copying the changed file once it has finished. This is from an rsync to
> upload web content to my web server over ssh using:
>
> rsync -av /path/to/local/dir remote.server.com:/path/to/remote/dir
>
> If it is for backup and you want to keep a record of changed files, i.e.
> keep copies of the files as they were before the change as a historical
> backup as well you may like to take a look at rdiff-backup:
>
> http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread norman

On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 15:52 +, Tom Bamford wrote:
> I would install Windows in the same way but after Windows is installed, 
> you can set the Windows drive to slave and reconnect your Ubuntu drive 
> as master. Then just add this entry to your grub menu after the line 
> that reads "END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS":
> 
> title Windows
> map (hd0) (hd1)
> map (hd1) (hd0)
> rootnoverify (hd1,0)
> chainloader +1
> 
> Windows still recognises itself as being on the master drive thanks to grub.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> Keith Gregory wrote:
> > The way I would do that is
> > 1 Disconnect Ubuntu drive
> > 2 Add Windows hard drive as primary drive, Boot and install drivers etc.
> > 3 Reconnect Ubuntu drive configured as slave
> > 4 Boot from Ubuntu install disk using repair option see if that will 
> > reconfigure grub for you

Thanks every one for being so helpful I will try things, hopefully,
tomorrow and will report back. Incidentally, does it matter which drive
the end of the cable is connected to?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread alan c
norman wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 22:37 +, alan c wrote:
>> norman wrote:
>> > I am thinking of adding a second hard drive to my PC on which I would
>> > have Windows for those very few occasions when I need it, like playing
>> > Bridge with my brother. Assuming that is possible what snags should I be
>> > aware of please?
>> 
>> If you have just ubuntu on it at present, and then install windows 
>> later, wherever, I think all you have to do is re install grub using a 
>> live CD and a cli grub sequence in order to reinstate grub after 
>> windows installer has overwritten the master boot record. If you do 
>> not do this, ubuntu will not normally be available from a boot up menu 
>> (grub)
> 
> Perhaps I was not clear enough. I do not intend to install Windows on
> the same drive as Ubuntu but on another drive. I understand about one of
> the drives being master and the other slave but does it matter which is
> which?

It does not matter which, as long as windows is installed first I 
think - you get less repairing to do then. However, if both drives are 
in place in the machine all the time, a later windows install even in 
a second drive, however it is set, will overwrite the master boot 
record which should also contain the linux booting control. This will 
happen if separate drives are used or if simply partitions are used.
If you install windows last, then the linux boot controls (grub) needs 
to be repaired and it will also repair the master boot record.

Summary:
with two drives, or partitons
- install windows first then linux = easy, and automatically works.
- install linux first an dwindows last = repair needed to get linux to 
boot.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread Tom Bamford
I would install Windows in the same way but after Windows is installed, 
you can set the Windows drive to slave and reconnect your Ubuntu drive 
as master. Then just add this entry to your grub menu after the line 
that reads "END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS":

title Windows
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
rootnoverify (hd1,0)
chainloader +1

Windows still recognises itself as being on the master drive thanks to grub.

Regards,
Tom

Keith Gregory wrote:
> The way I would do that is
> 1 Disconnect Ubuntu drive
> 2 Add Windows hard drive as primary drive, Boot and install drivers etc.
> 3 Reconnect Ubuntu drive configured as slave
> 4 Boot from Ubuntu install disk using repair option see if that will 
> reconfigure grub for you
>
>
> kfg
>
>
>   

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread Matthew Daubney
Keith Gregory wrote:
> norman wrote:
>   
>> < big snip >
>>
>> So, things are not as simple as I first thought. The thing is, the hard
>> drive I am thinking of adding is from my old machine and has Windows XP
>> already installed on it. Does this make much of a difference to the
>> advice so far given?
>>
>> Norman
>>
>>
>> 
> The way I would do that is
>
> 1 Disconnect Ubuntu drive
> 2 Add Windows hard drive as primary drive, Boot and install drivers etc.
> 3 Reconnect Ubuntu drive configured as slave
> 4 Boot from Ubuntu install disk using repair option see if that will 
> reconfigure grub for you
>
>
> kfg
>
>   

I'd add:
Step 0 - Backup important things on both drives, just in case.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread Keith Gregory
norman wrote:
> < big snip >
> 
> So, things are not as simple as I first thought. The thing is, the hard
> drive I am thinking of adding is from my old machine and has Windows XP
> already installed on it. Does this make much of a difference to the
> advice so far given?
> 
> Norman
> 
> 
The way I would do that is

1 Disconnect Ubuntu drive
2 Add Windows hard drive as primary drive, Boot and install drivers etc.
3 Reconnect Ubuntu drive configured as slave
4 Boot from Ubuntu install disk using repair option see if that will 
reconfigure grub for you


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread norman
< big snip >

So, things are not as simple as I first thought. The thing is, the hard
drive I am thinking of adding is from my old machine and has Windows XP
already installed on it. Does this make much of a difference to the
advice so far given?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread Stephen Drake
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 21:57 +, norman wrote:
> I am thinking of adding a second hard drive to my PC on which I would
> have Windows for those very few occasions when I need it, like playing
> Bridge with my brother. Assuming that is possible what snags should I be
> aware of please?
> 
> Norman
> 
> 
>From my experience it's far easier to put Windows on the first partition
of the primary hard drive, if possible. Using the first partition
doesn't matter too much, but it can help during trouble shooting and
Windows just seems to prefer it.

The more critical option is putting Windows on the primary hard drive.
If I remember correctly, Windows just expects this to be the case by
default and kicks up a fuss if it isn't. You can get around it by using
the map option in grub, but that can be confusing.

Most dual boot guides I have read recommend installing Windows first, if
you do it the other way around then expect problems. I've know idea if
things are better with Vista, though I doubt it.

As others have mentioned there are various workarounds for different
manufacturer's boards. So you'll probably have to do board specific
research. Perhaps search through the ubuntu forums and the grub website.

Steve


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 11/27/07, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 22:37 +, alan c wrote:
> > norman wrote:
> > > I am thinking of adding a second hard drive to my PC on which I would
> > > have Windows for those very few occasions when I need it, like playing
> > > Bridge with my brother. Assuming that is possible what snags should I be
> > > aware of please?
> >
> > If you have just ubuntu on it at present, and then install windows
> > later, wherever, I think all you have to do is re install grub using a
> > live CD and a cli grub sequence in order to reinstate grub after
> > windows installer has overwritten the master boot record. If you do
> > not do this, ubuntu will not normally be available from a boot up menu
> > (grub)
>
> Perhaps I was not clear enough. I do not intend to install Windows on
> the same drive as Ubuntu but on another drive. I understand about one of
> the drives being master and the other slave but does it matter which is
> which?
>
> Norman
>
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One of your drives will contain the Master Book Record (or MBR) this
is the bit which tells your computer what to load at start up. If you
install Windows onto a seperate hard drive it overwrites the MBR  so
that only Windows will boot. To fix this you have to boot into a live
cd, and then get grub to reinstall the MBR so that you can boot from
either PC.

Some computers allow you to select the device you boot from when you
switch it on (on my HP machine you push F6 I think and it gives you a
list of drives), however most I have played this don't let you do
that.

Before I switched entirely to linux, I had several machines that where
dual boots, with windows on one hd and linux on a seperate hd. The MBR
thing can be a pain, but if you follow the Grub instructions someone
else gave you when you had a previous windows problem (with your
daughter/grand daughters machine?) this should allow you to replace
grub after installing windows on your other hd.

It's a bit confusing (confused the hell out of me for a while) but
that's the way it is, unfortunatley. Hope that helps a little..

-Matt Daubney

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread taufanlubis
You can set 2 hard disks for booting options in a grub.

The easy way, just activate the hard disk that you want to use via BIOS
and disable the other one.
So, you don't have to setup any Boot Loader in your main hard disk.

Taufan Lubis
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On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 21:57 +, norman wrote: 

> I am thinking of adding a second hard drive to my PC on which I would
> have Windows for those very few occasions when I need it, like playing
> Bridge with my brother. Assuming that is possible what snags should I be
> aware of please?
> 
> Norman
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

2007-11-27 Thread norman

On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 22:37 +, alan c wrote:
> norman wrote:
> > I am thinking of adding a second hard drive to my PC on which I would
> > have Windows for those very few occasions when I need it, like playing
> > Bridge with my brother. Assuming that is possible what snags should I be
> > aware of please?
> 
> If you have just ubuntu on it at present, and then install windows 
> later, wherever, I think all you have to do is re install grub using a 
> live CD and a cli grub sequence in order to reinstate grub after 
> windows installer has overwritten the master boot record. If you do 
> not do this, ubuntu will not normally be available from a boot up menu 
> (grub)

Perhaps I was not clear enough. I do not intend to install Windows on
the same drive as Ubuntu but on another drive. I understand about one of
the drives being master and the other slave but does it matter which is
which?

Norman


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