Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Ben Crisford bencrisf...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I heard this yeah. I thought that the origin one made linux sound like some disease. I didn't like it. Like you, I enjoyed the winning one but wasn't too keen on the Origin one. Too dark and gloomy, whereas the winner was light and airy and fresh. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 08:54 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Ben Crisford bencrisf...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I heard this yeah. I thought that the origin one made linux sound like some disease. I didn't like it. Like you, I enjoyed the winning one but wasn't too keen on the Origin one. Too dark and gloomy, whereas the winner was light and airy and fresh. Sean Rant coming :-D I would like to offer opinion on these videos, but as a user who doesn't use proprietary formats - I'm screwed! - All videos viewable online using flash. - The winning entry is available for download as a Windows Media Video. Oh and an ogg but the file is a dud at 0x0 resolution - Have fun getting totem (or your player of choice) to play that one. ;-) - Runner up has no download version. - The third place video is available as a MOV. Well done to the Linux Foundation - We're Linux ay? :-( Rant over Happy Easter holidays to all. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
On 13 Apr 2009, at 09:30, Philip Wyett philwy...@gmx.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 08:54 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Ben Crisford bencrisf...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I heard this yeah. I thought that the origin one made linux sound like some disease. I didn't like it. Like you, I enjoyed the winning one but wasn't too keen on the Origin one. Too dark and gloomy, whereas the winner was light and airy and fresh. Sean Rant coming :-D I would like to offer opinion on these videos, but as a user who doesn't use proprietary formats - I'm screwed! - All videos viewable online using flash. - The winning entry is available for download as a Windows Media Video. Oh and an ogg but the file is a dud at 0x0 resolution - Have fun getting totem (or your player of choice) to play that one. ;-) - Runner up has no download version. - The third place video is available as a MOV. Well done to the Linux Foundation - We're Linux ay? :-( Rant over Happy Easter holidays to all. Regards Phil The ogg file for the first option plays fine in VLC for me; I don't know whether it's been updated. Thanks Harry -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 10:00 +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: On 13 Apr 2009, at 09:30, Philip Wyett philwy...@gmx.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 08:54 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Ben Crisford bencrisf...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I heard this yeah. I thought that the origin one made linux sound like some disease. I didn't like it. Like you, I enjoyed the winning one but wasn't too keen on the Origin one. Too dark and gloomy, whereas the winner was light and airy and fresh. Sean Rant coming :-D I would like to offer opinion on these videos, but as a user who doesn't use proprietary formats - I'm screwed! - All videos viewable online using flash. - The winning entry is available for download as a Windows Media Video. Oh and an ogg but the file is a dud at 0x0 resolution - Have fun getting totem (or your player of choice) to play that one. ;-) - Runner up has no download version. - The third place video is available as a MOV. Well done to the Linux Foundation - We're Linux ay? :-( Rant over Happy Easter holidays to all. Regards Phil The ogg file for the first option plays fine in VLC for me; I don't know whether it's been updated. Thanks Harry Hi Harry, The file is still the same. The file looks a bit iffy looking at the ogginfo output below. This video certainly will not play for me with totem on Ubuntu 8.04. I will try another machine later. Regards Phil Note: Stream 1 has serial number 0, which is legal but may cause problems with some tools. New logical stream (#1, serial: ): type theora New logical stream (#2, serial: 0001): type vorbis Warning: Theora stream 1 does not have headers correctly framed. Terminal header page contains additional packets or has non-zero granulepos Theora headers parsed for stream 1, information follows... Version: 3.2.0 Vendor: Xiph.Org libTheora I 20060526 3 2 0 Width: 720 Height: 576 Total image: 720 by 576, crop offset (0, 0) Framerate 23976/1000 (23.98 fps) Pixel aspect ratio 1:1 (1:1.00) Frame aspect 4:3 Colourspace unspecified Pixel format 4:2:0 Target bitrate: 0 kbps Nominal quality setting (0-63): 44 Vorbis headers parsed for stream 2, information follows... Version: 0 Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20050304 Channels: 2 Rate: 48000 Nominal bitrate: 95.20 kb/s Upper bitrate: 95.20 kb/s Lower bitrate: 95.20 kb/s User comments section follows... DIRECTX_DURATION=0x7FFF Theora stream 1: Total data length: 1006738 bytes Playback length: 0m:50.008s Average bitrate: 161.051211 kb/s Logical stream 1 ended Vorbis stream 2: Total data length: 603591 bytes Playback length: 0m:50.025s Average bitrate: 96.525654 kb/s Logical stream 2 ended signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Welsh] Confirmed Welsh Release Party
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 03:22 +0100, Christopher Swift wrote: snip I'd like to get a general headcount for the day, so if possible could you email me back to this address either directly or through this mailing list so that I can get a rough estimate and/or give you directions for the (two) venue(s). My mobile number is however listed on the poster too if directions are required, however I cannot make outwards calls or texts momentarily. snip Alright chap, I shall be attempting to come along, just need to check the train times. I'll be taking the choo choo from Swansea to Cardiff if anyone wants to meet up on the train. I must admit I don't like Cardiff that much (but I don't like Swansea that much either) so I may just tootle along to Starbucks then catch a train back, but it depends how I'm feeling that day :) Cheers for organising something, it's good to see people stepping up to the mark. -Matt Daubney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 10:21 +0100, Philip Wyett wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 10:00 +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: On 13 Apr 2009, at 09:30, Philip Wyett philwy...@gmx.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 08:54 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Ben Crisford bencrisf...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I heard this yeah. I thought that the origin one made linux sound like some disease. I didn't like it. Like you, I enjoyed the winning one but wasn't too keen on the Origin one. Too dark and gloomy, whereas the winner was light and airy and fresh. Sean Rant coming :-D I would like to offer opinion on these videos, but as a user who doesn't use proprietary formats - I'm screwed! - All videos viewable online using flash. - The winning entry is available for download as a Windows Media Video. Oh and an ogg but the file is a dud at 0x0 resolution - Have fun getting totem (or your player of choice) to play that one. ;-) - Runner up has no download version. - The third place video is available as a MOV. Well done to the Linux Foundation - We're Linux ay? :-( Rant over Happy Easter holidays to all. Regards Phil The ogg file for the first option plays fine in VLC for me; I don't know whether it's been updated. Thanks Harry Hi Harry, The file is still the same. The file looks a bit iffy looking at the ogginfo output below. This video certainly will not play for me with totem on Ubuntu 8.04. I will try another machine later. Regards Phil Note: Stream 1 has serial number 0, which is legal but may cause problems with some tools. New logical stream (#1, serial: ): type theora New logical stream (#2, serial: 0001): type vorbis Warning: Theora stream 1 does not have headers correctly framed. Terminal header page contains additional packets or has non-zero granulepos Theora headers parsed for stream 1, information follows... Version: 3.2.0 Vendor: Xiph.Org libTheora I 20060526 3 2 0 Width: 720 Height: 576 Total image: 720 by 576, crop offset (0, 0) Framerate 23976/1000 (23.98 fps) Pixel aspect ratio 1:1 (1:1.00) Frame aspect 4:3 Colourspace unspecified Pixel format 4:2:0 Target bitrate: 0 kbps Nominal quality setting (0-63): 44 Vorbis headers parsed for stream 2, information follows... Version: 0 Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20050304 Channels: 2 Rate: 48000 Nominal bitrate: 95.20 kb/s Upper bitrate: 95.20 kb/s Lower bitrate: 95.20 kb/s User comments section follows... DIRECTX_DURATION=0x7FFF Theora stream 1: Total data length: 1006738 bytes Playback length: 0m:50.008s Average bitrate: 161.051211 kb/s Logical stream 1 ended Vorbis stream 2: Total data length: 603591 bytes Playback length: 0m:50.025s Average bitrate: 96.525654 kb/s Logical stream 2 ended Indeed the file does play under VLC. http://twitpic.com/399a3/full I suspect some bastardisation along the way here with the format. The DIRECTX_DURATION=0x7FFF element would point towards this coming from a Windows tool that isn't keeping to the file format(s) correctly. This so called ogg really needs pulling and fixing. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
On 13 Apr 2009, at 10:46, Philip Wyett philwy...@gmx.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 10:21 +0100, Philip Wyett wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 10:00 +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: On 13 Apr 2009, at 09:30, Philip Wyett philwy...@gmx.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 08:54 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Ben Crisford bencrisf...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I heard this yeah. I thought that the origin one made linux sound like some disease. I didn't like it. Like you, I enjoyed the winning one but wasn't too keen on the Origin one. Too dark and gloomy, whereas the winner was light and airy and fresh. Sean Rant coming :-D I would like to offer opinion on these videos, but as a user who doesn't use proprietary formats - I'm screwed! - All videos viewable online using flash. - The winning entry is available for download as a Windows Media Video. Oh and an ogg but the file is a dud at 0x0 resolution - Have fun getting totem (or your player of choice) to play that one. ;-) - Runner up has no download version. - The third place video is available as a MOV. Well done to the Linux Foundation - We're Linux ay? :-( Rant over Happy Easter holidays to all. Regards Phil The ogg file for the first option plays fine in VLC for me; I don't know whether it's been updated. Thanks Harry Hi Harry, The file is still the same. The file looks a bit iffy looking at the ogginfo output below. This video certainly will not play for me with totem on Ubuntu 8.04. I will try another machine later. Regards Phil Note: Stream 1 has serial number 0, which is legal but may cause problems with some tools. New logical stream (#1, serial: ): type theora New logical stream (#2, serial: 0001): type vorbis Warning: Theora stream 1 does not have headers correctly framed. Terminal header page contains additional packets or has non-zero granulepos Theora headers parsed for stream 1, information follows... Version: 3.2.0 Vendor: Xiph.Org libTheora I 20060526 3 2 0 Width: 720 Height: 576 Total image: 720 by 576, crop offset (0, 0) Framerate 23976/1000 (23.98 fps) Pixel aspect ratio 1:1 (1:1.00) Frame aspect 4:3 Colourspace unspecified Pixel format 4:2:0 Target bitrate: 0 kbps Nominal quality setting (0-63): 44 Vorbis headers parsed for stream 2, information follows... Version: 0 Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20050304 Channels: 2 Rate: 48000 Nominal bitrate: 95.20 kb/s Upper bitrate: 95.20 kb/s Lower bitrate: 95.20 kb/s User comments section follows... DIRECTX_DURATION=0x7FFF Theora stream 1: Total data length: 1006738 bytes Playback length: 0m:50.008s Average bitrate: 161.051211 kb/s Logical stream 1 ended Vorbis stream 2: Total data length: 603591 bytes Playback length: 0m:50.025s Average bitrate: 96.525654 kb/s Logical stream 2 ended Indeed the file does play under VLC. http://twitpic.com/399a3/full I suspect some bastardisation along the way here with the format. The DIRECTX_DURATION=0x7FFF element would point towards this coming from a Windows tool that isn't keeping to the file format(s) correctly. This so called ogg really needs pulling and fixing. Regards Phil Try the ogg at http://fwot.info/free.ogv Thanks Harry -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:24 +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: Indeed the file does play under VLC. http://twitpic.com/399a3/full I suspect some bastardisation along the way here with the format. The DIRECTX_DURATION=0x7FFF element would point towards this coming from a Windows tool that isn't keeping to the file format(s) correctly. This so called ogg really needs pulling and fixing. Regards Phil Try the ogg at http://fwot.info/free.ogv Thanks Harry Thanks Harry. Maybe you should offer it up to the foundation to replace the one already there. As of my last post I viewed and also converted all the winning entries and as most did enjoy the winners a lot. :-) But lets do the old brass tacks here. The Linux Foundation with poor organisation and execution is not covering itself or the community it purports to represent with any glory here; and failing to promote open standards and formats in the first instance as I think they should be. Hopefully the same mistakes will not happen in future. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
On 13 Apr 2009, at 15:04, Philip Wyett philwy...@gmx.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:24 +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: Indeed the file does play under VLC. http://twitpic.com/399a3/full I suspect some bastardisation along the way here with the format. The DIRECTX_DURATION=0x7FFF element would point towards this coming from a Windows tool that isn't keeping to the file format(s) correctly. This so called ogg really needs pulling and fixing. Regards Phil Try the ogg at http://fwot.info/free.ogv Thanks Harry Thanks Harry. Maybe you should offer it up to the foundation to replace the one already there. As of my last post I viewed and also converted all the winning entries and as most did enjoy the winners a lot. :-) Yeah, I left a comment on the video, although I doubt anyone at the Linux Foundation will read it. But lets do the old brass tacks here. The Linux Foundation with poor organisation and execution is not covering itself or the community it purports to represent with any glory here; and failing to promote open standards and formats in the first instance as I think they should be. Hopefully the same mistakes will not happen in future. Exactly. Even the BBC can release properly in OGG (with RDTV), yet the Linux Foundation, which probaby sounds like a company that made Linux to new users, cannot. Thanks Harry Regards Phil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Manchester Release Party Poster
2009/4/12 Lucy lucybrid...@gmail.com: 2009/4/12 Gordon Allott gordall...@gmail.com: the image of the world and clock are bugged out (on jaunty at least). I'm gonna guess the rectangles of white are supposed to be glares, see: http://i41.tinypic.com/bg7ib8.png Very strange. I created it on Intrepid so I'm surprised there's a difference. Actually, it turns out it didn't display correctly on Intrepid either I discovered once I looked properly. Turns out that I needed to print to a bitmap rendered PDF rather than vector rendered. A 300dpi correctly rendered PDF should now be uploaded in place of the old one. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Manchester Release Party Poster
2009/4/12 Alan Pope a...@popey.com: 2009/4/12 Lucy lucybrid...@gmail.com: There is a slight problem with it though - because we need to have everyone sign up in advance I needed to put a simple URL that people could go to on the poster, so I've used the ubuntu-uk.org address. Could someone put a link to the release party details (for both London and Manchester to be fair) on the site pretty please? Done. Once you finalise the poster, I'll upload and link to that too. Brilliant, thanks a lot. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Welsh] Confirmed Welsh Release Party
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Daubney wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 03:22 +0100, Christopher Swift wrote: snip I'd like to get a general headcount for the day, so if possible could you email me back to this address either directly or through this mailing list so that I can get a rough estimate and/or give you directions for the (two) venue(s). My mobile number is however listed on the poster too if directions are required, however I cannot make outwards calls or texts momentarily. snip Alright chap, I shall be attempting to come along, just need to check the train times. I'll be taking the choo choo from Swansea to Cardiff if anyone wants to meet up on the train. I'm coming from Neath which is en-route from Swansea to Cardiff, I'll try to find you on the train somewhere! In fact I reckon a few will be on the very same train route. Let me know what time you can make it nearer the time. I must admit I don't like Cardiff that much (but I don't like Swansea that much either) so I may just tootle along to Starbucks then catch a train back, but it depends how I'm feeling that day :) I don't like cities that much either but hey we're hardly going to host it in a cave half way the valley or something :). Cheers for organising something, it's good to see people stepping up to the mark. Yeah and it couldn't have been done without the assistance of the others in IRC and the rest of Ubuntu Cymru :). Regards, Chris. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknjgA0ACgkQYckxdhCgq47G6QCePXKXgraac0o1llBIo8avmKZq co4AnRmwHq6wnEVoMr5LHSUACvaGfXXx =N0IF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
Who are the Linux Foundation? Can Linus T not, perhaps, ask them to change their name? Perhaps to the Microsoft going on Linux Foundation or similar? If I had created an operating system so vast in its scope I'd be seriously concerned if some people decided to take it upon themselves to undermine everything I had created by ineptitude, lack of vision and - most seriously - failing to comply with open standards. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: Who are the Linux Foundation? A foundation set up to protect Linux, most large open-source projects have such an organisation behind them. Usually a holder of IP, receiver of donations from sponsors, etc. The Linux Foundation pays Linus to work on the kernel, for example. Can Linus T not, perhaps, ask them to change their name? Perhaps to the Microsoft going on Linux Foundation or similar? Difficult... they own the trademark, as I understand it :) If I had created an operating system so vast in its scope I'd be seriously concerned if some people decided to take it upon themselves to undermine everything I had created by ineptitude, lack of vision and - most seriously - failing to comply with open standards. I think it was an oversight on their part, though a pretty major one. Would be interesting to hear if anyone complaining gets a response from them. Matthew. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean Miller wrote: Who are the Linux Foundation? Can Linus T not, perhaps, ask them to change their name? Perhaps to the Microsoft going on Linux Foundation or similar? If I had created an operating system so vast in its scope I'd be seriously concerned if some people decided to take it upon themselves to undermine everything I had created by ineptitude, lack of vision and - most seriously - failing to comply with open standards. Sean Uh, I think Torvalds is aware of the Linux Foundation. From their website: The Linux Foundation sponsors Linus Torvalds so he can remain independent while working full-time on the Linux kernel. I think you may be confusing Torvalds for the FSF: they would be the ones most likely to get upset by a video promoting Linux in a non-free format. Usually we don't need to promote Linux amongst ourselves (Linux users), but to those not using Linux, and free software, who also happen to be those least likely to be able to view an ogg video. That is not to suggest that there shouldn't be an ogg version, but it does make sense to distribute it in a format viewable by the target audience. Dan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknj4dAACgkQDLKnekIRi3YvwwCeNm/4ou1g5NybpYhRxr/4724f OmYAn0wnnnMCkDJ+JDFitT9IZU0rkW3f =6bNb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 02:07 +0100, Daniel Drummond wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean Miller wrote: Who are the Linux Foundation? Can Linus T not, perhaps, ask them to change their name? Perhaps to the Microsoft going on Linux Foundation or similar? If I had created an operating system so vast in its scope I'd be seriously concerned if some people decided to take it upon themselves to undermine everything I had created by ineptitude, lack of vision and - most seriously - failing to comply with open standards. Sean Uh, I think Torvalds is aware of the Linux Foundation. From their website: The Linux Foundation sponsors Linus Torvalds so he can remain independent while working full-time on the Linux kernel. I think you may be confusing Torvalds for the FSF: they would be the ones most likely to get upset by a video promoting Linux in a non-free format. Usually we don't need to promote Linux amongst ourselves (Linux users), but to those not using Linux, and free software, who also happen to be those least likely to be able to view an ogg video. That is not to suggest that there shouldn't be an ogg version, but it does make sense to distribute it in a format viewable by the target audience. Of course it makes sense to deliver the content for specific platforms and catering towards the common. So by that theory every one of the final three should have been converted and uploaded for viewing and/or downloading as: - Flash - Ogg Theora - WMV - DivX - Quicktime For the sake of an hour or two to do the conversions the Linux Foundation could have covered most if not all the bases and looked good with the videos ready to be passed around by existing Linux and other folks to get the word and buzz of the campaign going. The mishmash and a non-standard Ogg Theora file just makes it all look sloppy. Regards Phil signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] We're Linux video - winner announced
Daniel Drummond wrote: snip I think you may be confusing Torvalds for the FSF: they would be the ones most likely to get upset by a video promoting Linux in a non-free format. snip Isn't this essentially Sean's problem - as Stallman has insisted for years - that Torvalds doesn't care about freedom. Torvalds has always said he's not a philosopher or politician, but just an engineer interested in what works from an engineering point of view. So don't look to the Linux Foundation to get very excited about free codecs. mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
