Re: [ubuntu-uk] Stopping bluetooth .....

2012-04-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 April 2012 22:56, Barry Drake  wrote:
> On 18/04/12 17:16, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>>
>> AFAIK, bluetooth is the same across all flavours, have a look at
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Disable_Bluetooth
>> to see if that successfully blacklists it for you.
>
>
> I didn't try - I don't actually want to 'blacklist' as I want to be able to
> turn it on from time to time.  Blacklist would give me the same as 'rfkill
> block bluetooth' did in the .profile file.  What I have now discovered comes
> from carefully looking at the source code for gnome-control-center bluetooth
> and found that it uses rfkill - though through changing access to the
> /dev/rfkill file.
>
> I now have the following notes:
> the command 'rfkill block bluetooth' stops bluetooth
>
> Can put in the ~/.profile file
> But note that bluetooth cannot then be started by any method without
> commenting the above out, and re-booting.
>
> HOWEVER if the above command is put into /etc/rc.local then 'sudo rfkill
> unblock bluetooth' will do a proper restart, and restart will also take
> place from the Bluetooth icon, or the Bluetooth settings application.

Does switching it off in System Settings > Bluetooth not do it?  If
not can someone explain why?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-18 Thread steve

On 18/04/12 21:21, alan c wrote:

On 18/04/12 20:27, alan c wrote:

On 18/04/12 19:56, Philip Stubbs wrote:

On 18 April 2012 19:46, Philip Stubbs  wrote:

It works here, at the moment. Just kicked off a 95Mb update, so will
try again in a few minutes. :-)

Lots of 3.4.0's were replaced with 3.4.1's so I guess that is a point
release of gnome then. Sound recorder still working. Sorry, but that
does not help very much, does it. :-(

Yes it does - it may suggest that my 12.04 adventures to date in these
fairly new installs has caused a problem. One possibility is AWN,
which I have tried because I love the shiny switcher app, but I have
discovered that awn also installs gnome classic sessions which for
example uses gnome panel, whatever.
I will do a clean instal of 12.04 now in one machine an dsee if it
will work without awn.

Re install 12.04 in one machine, fully updated now, nothing else
installed, Sound Record (from Built-In Audio) not working still.

I should say that sound record  *does* work from a microphone and also
from the usb microphone integral in a webcam I use for such as skype.
It is *only* the recognition of the internal audio hardware which
seems to prevent record from Built In Audio.


I can only say that for me, sound recorder is working fine on my laptop 
(Asus K501J) with 12.04 using both built-in and external headset mics.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Stopping bluetooth .....

2012-04-18 Thread Barry Drake

On 18/04/12 17:16, Phill Whiteside wrote:
AFAIK, bluetooth is the same across all flavours, have a look at 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Disable_Bluetooth 
to see if that successfully blacklists it for you.


I didn't try - I don't actually want to 'blacklist' as I want to be able 
to turn it on from time to time.  Blacklist would give me the same as 
'rfkill block bluetooth' did in the .profile file.  What I have now 
discovered comes from carefully looking at the source code for 
gnome-control-center bluetooth and found that it uses rfkill - though 
through changing access to the /dev/rfkill file.


I now have the following notes:
the command 'rfkill block bluetooth' stops bluetooth

Can put in the ~/.profile file
But note that bluetooth cannot then be started by any method without 
commenting the above out, and re-booting.


HOWEVER if the above command is put into /etc/rc.local then 'sudo rfkill 
unblock bluetooth' will do a proper restart, and restart will also take 
place from the Bluetooth icon, or the Bluetooth settings application.


Feel free to put in any Ubuntu wiki or notes.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-18 Thread alan c
On 18/04/12 20:27, alan c wrote:
> On 18/04/12 19:56, Philip Stubbs wrote:
>> On 18 April 2012 19:46, Philip Stubbs  wrote:
>>> It works here, at the moment. Just kicked off a 95Mb update, so will
>>> try again in a few minutes. :-)
>> 
>> Lots of 3.4.0's were replaced with 3.4.1's so I guess that is a point
>> release of gnome then. Sound recorder still working. Sorry, but that
>> does not help very much, does it. :-(
> 
> Yes it does - it may suggest that my 12.04 adventures to date in these
> fairly new installs has caused a problem. One possibility is AWN,
> which I have tried because I love the shiny switcher app, but I have
> discovered that awn also installs gnome classic sessions which for
> example uses gnome panel, whatever.
> I will do a clean instal of 12.04 now in one machine an dsee if it
> will work without awn.

Re install 12.04 in one machine, fully updated now, nothing else
installed, Sound Record (from Built-In Audio) not working still.

I should say that sound record  *does* work from a microphone and also
from the usb microphone integral in a webcam I use for such as skype.
It is *only* the recognition of the internal audio hardware which
seems to prevent record from Built In Audio.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-18 Thread alan c
On 18/04/12 19:56, Philip Stubbs wrote:
> On 18 April 2012 19:46, Philip Stubbs  wrote:
>> It works here, at the moment. Just kicked off a 95Mb update, so will
>> try again in a few minutes. :-)
> 
> Lots of 3.4.0's were replaced with 3.4.1's so I guess that is a point
> release of gnome then. Sound recorder still working. Sorry, but that
> does not help very much, does it. :-(

Yes it does - it may suggest that my 12.04 adventures to date in these
fairly new installs has caused a problem. One possibility is AWN,
which I have tried because I love the shiny switcher app, but I have
discovered that awn also installs gnome classic sessions which for
example uses gnome panel, whatever.
I will do a clean instal of 12.04 now in one machine an dsee if it
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-18 Thread Philip Stubbs
On 18 April 2012 19:46, Philip Stubbs  wrote:
> It works here, at the moment. Just kicked off a 95Mb update, so will
> try again in a few minutes. :-)

Lots of 3.4.0's were replaced with 3.4.1's so I guess that is a point
release of gnome then. Sound recorder still working. Sorry, but that
does not help very much, does it. :-(

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-18 Thread Philip Stubbs
On 18 April 2012 18:20, alan c  wrote:
> On 18/04/12 17:36, alan c wrote:
>> I have had remarkable success with Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 (updated) so
>> far, however I have just discovered that the gnome media stuff, or at
>> least  - specifically the sound recorder facility - is a problem - it
>> does not work. Not on the two different machines I have tried, and I
>> am about to try a third.
>>
>> Sound recorder is a very useful app and I really hope it will be
>> working soon. Does anyone else use it?
>
> Same problem in a third, different machine.

It works here, at the moment. Just kicked off a 95Mb update, so will
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-18 Thread alan c
On 18/04/12 17:36, alan c wrote:
> I have had remarkable success with Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 (updated) so
> far, however I have just discovered that the gnome media stuff, or at
> least  - specifically the sound recorder facility - is a problem - it
> does not work. Not on the two different machines I have tried, and I
> am about to try a third.
> 
> Sound recorder is a very useful app and I really hope it will be
> working soon. Does anyone else use it?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Install keeping home dir [was Stopping Bluetooth]

2012-04-18 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 18 April 2012 17:21, Colin Law  wrote:

> On 18 April 2012 17:11, Simon Greenwood  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 18 April 2012 16:51, Colin Law  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 18 April 2012 16:44, Simon Greenwood  wrote:
> >> > [snip]
> >> > In a good 15 years of using Linux, I've never had an upgrade in place
> >> > work
> >> > properly. It would be far more reliable for an image install to offer
> to
> >> > back up your data, create a clean install and restore.
> >>
> >> I have never had one fail (not 15 years admittedly but a number of
> >> upgrades).  I always purge any PPAs I am using first.
> >>
> >> Also remember that if you install over an existing one but tell it not
> >> to format the partition then it will leave the home directory in place
> >> so effectively doing what you are asking.
> >>
> >> Of course with a Beta version (which is the case for the OP) then
> >> nothing is guaranteed.
> >>
> >
> > Except it doesn't
>
> What, you mean an install in place without formatting /home corrupts
> /home?  I hope you have put a bug report in for that as it is
> extremely serious.
>
>
No, it doesn't corrupt your home directory in any way, and it's not even
limited to any *buntu. It's possibly a low level Gnome or even GNU/Linux
issue that I have also observed in variants of RedHat including Mandrake
back when it was the Linux desktop that (mostly) worked, as well as Ubuntu
since 5.10. If I had the time and the inclination to track down what it was
then I would, and it is probably application related but it's usually
quicker to reinstall. It does vary - in fact I think I upgraded from 10.10
to 11.04 on my old laptop without a problem, but had a lot of trouble going
from 11.04 to 11.10 on my desktop so in the end I stick with clean
reinstalls.

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[ubuntu-uk] 12.04 audio recording?

2012-04-18 Thread alan c
I have had remarkable success with Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 (updated) so
far, however I have just discovered that the gnome media stuff, or at
least  - specifically the sound recorder facility - is a problem - it
does not work. Not on the two different machines I have tried, and I
am about to try a third.

Sound recorder is a very useful app and I really hope it will be
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[ubuntu-uk] Install keeping home dir [was Stopping Bluetooth]

2012-04-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 April 2012 17:11, Simon Greenwood  wrote:
>
>
> On 18 April 2012 16:51, Colin Law  wrote:
>>
>> On 18 April 2012 16:44, Simon Greenwood  wrote:
>> > [snip]
>> > In a good 15 years of using Linux, I've never had an upgrade in place
>> > work
>> > properly. It would be far more reliable for an image install to offer to
>> > back up your data, create a clean install and restore.
>>
>> I have never had one fail (not 15 years admittedly but a number of
>> upgrades).  I always purge any PPAs I am using first.
>>
>> Also remember that if you install over an existing one but tell it not
>> to format the partition then it will leave the home directory in place
>> so effectively doing what you are asking.
>>
>> Of course with a Beta version (which is the case for the OP) then
>> nothing is guaranteed.
>>
>
> Except it doesn't

What, you mean an install in place without formatting /home corrupts
/home?  I hope you have put a bug report in for that as it is
extremely serious.

Colin

>  - some of the problems seem to be traceable to user
> preferences - Thunderbird has *always* been a problem for example. I've got
> backup, clean install and restore down to a fine art now, and as always,
> Your Mileage May Vary, and I actually do the same for Windows and Mac OS as
> well so I'm probably being cautious, but I would, especially with what is
> going to change with 12.04 and because it's an LTS release I would be very
> wary of doing an upgrade.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Stopping bluetooth .....

2012-04-18 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi,

AFAIK, bluetooth is the same across all flavours, have a look at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Disable_Bluetoothto
see if that successfully blacklists it for you. (Obviously, you will
not
be using LxTerminal :) ).

Do let me know how you get on, possibly with an edit about terminal type,
that little tweak may be better in 'general' wiki area.

Regards,

Phill.

On 18 April 2012 21:41, Simon Greenwood  wrote:

>
>
> On 18 April 2012 16:51, Colin Law  wrote:
>
>> On 18 April 2012 16:44, Simon Greenwood  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On 18 April 2012 16:07, Barry Drake  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I've just put 12.04 on my Samsung N150 netbook.  Previously, I've had
>> to
>> >> do various tweaks to get things fully working, but with 12.04,
>> everything
>> >> worked out of the box.  Fantastic.
>> >>
>> >> The only problem was starting off with the 'upgrade' option on the
>> Live CD
>> >> installer.  This was a miserable failure in several ways  including a
>> >> non-working installation of the Ubuntu Software Centre.  I don't want
>> to go
>> >> into all the details, but I've never yet got 'Upgrade', either online
>> or
>> >> from a live CD to work properly.  It was quicker and easier to
>> re-install.
>> >>
>> >
>> > In a good 15 years of using Linux, I've never had an upgrade in place
>> work
>> > properly. It would be far more reliable for an image install to offer to
>> > back up your data, create a clean install and restore.
>>
>> I have never had one fail (not 15 years admittedly but a number of
>> upgrades).  I always purge any PPAs I am using first.
>>
>> Also remember that if you install over an existing one but tell it not
>> to format the partition then it will leave the home directory in place
>> so effectively doing what you are asking.
>>
>> Of course with a Beta version (which is the case for the OP) then
>> nothing is guaranteed.
>>
>>
> Except it doesn't - some of the problems seem to be traceable to user
> preferences - Thunderbird has *always* been a problem for example. I've got
> backup, clean install and restore down to a fine art now, and as always,
> Your Mileage May Vary, and I actually do the same for Windows and Mac OS as
> well so I'm probably being cautious, but I would, especially with what is
> going to change with 12.04 and because it's an LTS release I would be very
> wary of doing an upgrade.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Stopping bluetooth .....

2012-04-18 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 18 April 2012 16:51, Colin Law  wrote:

> On 18 April 2012 16:44, Simon Greenwood  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 18 April 2012 16:07, Barry Drake  wrote:
> >>
> >> I've just put 12.04 on my Samsung N150 netbook.  Previously, I've had to
> >> do various tweaks to get things fully working, but with 12.04,
> everything
> >> worked out of the box.  Fantastic.
> >>
> >> The only problem was starting off with the 'upgrade' option on the Live
> CD
> >> installer.  This was a miserable failure in several ways  including a
> >> non-working installation of the Ubuntu Software Centre.  I don't want
> to go
> >> into all the details, but I've never yet got 'Upgrade', either online or
> >> from a live CD to work properly.  It was quicker and easier to
> re-install.
> >>
> >
> > In a good 15 years of using Linux, I've never had an upgrade in place
> work
> > properly. It would be far more reliable for an image install to offer to
> > back up your data, create a clean install and restore.
>
> I have never had one fail (not 15 years admittedly but a number of
> upgrades).  I always purge any PPAs I am using first.
>
> Also remember that if you install over an existing one but tell it not
> to format the partition then it will leave the home directory in place
> so effectively doing what you are asking.
>
> Of course with a Beta version (which is the case for the OP) then
> nothing is guaranteed.
>
>
Except it doesn't - some of the problems seem to be traceable to user
preferences - Thunderbird has *always* been a problem for example. I've got
backup, clean install and restore down to a fine art now, and as always,
Your Mileage May Vary, and I actually do the same for Windows and Mac OS as
well so I'm probably being cautious, but I would, especially with what is
going to change with 12.04 and because it's an LTS release I would be very
wary of doing an upgrade.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Stopping bluetooth .....

2012-04-18 Thread Simon Greenwood
>
>
>
> There is something I've wanted to do before and failed.  I'd like
> Bluetooth to be off by default.  The command 'service bluetooth stop' which
> I seem to remember used to work, gives the reply 'bluetooth stop/waiting'
> but does not turn Bluetooth off according to the Bluetooth icon.  The
> command 'rfkill block bluetooth' does work OK, but if I want to turn
> bluetooth back on, 'unblock' sets the icon to active, but Bluetooth won't
> work until I have re-booted without the rfkill command in my ~/.profile
> file.
>
> Something has to be possible as I can turn Bluetooth off and on again by
> clicking on the icon and using the menuitem there.  But I'd like to do this
> as a command on startup.  Any thoughts?
>
>
Find out what the Bluetooth menu item does and run it as a startup item.
>From the init file there are a number of things but a script would do it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Stopping bluetooth .....

2012-04-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 April 2012 16:44, Simon Greenwood  wrote:
>
>
> On 18 April 2012 16:07, Barry Drake  wrote:
>>
>> I've just put 12.04 on my Samsung N150 netbook.  Previously, I've had to
>> do various tweaks to get things fully working, but with 12.04, everything
>> worked out of the box.  Fantastic.
>>
>> The only problem was starting off with the 'upgrade' option on the Live CD
>> installer.  This was a miserable failure in several ways  including a
>> non-working installation of the Ubuntu Software Centre.  I don't want to go
>> into all the details, but I've never yet got 'Upgrade', either online or
>> from a live CD to work properly.  It was quicker and easier to re-install.
>>
>
> In a good 15 years of using Linux, I've never had an upgrade in place work
> properly. It would be far more reliable for an image install to offer to
> back up your data, create a clean install and restore.

I have never had one fail (not 15 years admittedly but a number of
upgrades).  I always purge any PPAs I am using first.

Also remember that if you install over an existing one but tell it not
to format the partition then it will leave the home directory in place
so effectively doing what you are asking.

Of course with a Beta version (which is the case for the OP) then
nothing is guaranteed.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Stopping bluetooth .....

2012-04-18 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 18 April 2012 16:07, Barry Drake  wrote:

> I've just put 12.04 on my Samsung N150 netbook.  Previously, I've had to
> do various tweaks to get things fully working, but with 12.04, everything
> worked out of the box.  Fantastic.
>
> The only problem was starting off with the 'upgrade' option on the Live CD
> installer.  This was a miserable failure in several ways  including a
> non-working installation of the Ubuntu Software Centre.  I don't want to go
> into all the details, but I've never yet got 'Upgrade', either online or
> from a live CD to work properly.  It was quicker and easier to re-install.
>
>
In a good 15 years of using Linux, I've never had an upgrade in place work
properly. It would be far more reliable for an image install to offer to
back up your data, create a clean install and restore.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Stopping bluetooth .....

2012-04-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 April 2012 16:07, Barry Drake  wrote:
> I've just put 12.04 on my Samsung N150 netbook.  Previously, I've had to do
> various tweaks to get things fully working, but with 12.04, everything
> worked out of the box.  Fantastic.
>
> The only problem was starting off with the 'upgrade' option on the Live CD
> installer.  This was a miserable failure in several ways  including a
> non-working installation of the Ubuntu Software Centre.  I don't want to go
> into all the details, but I've never yet got 'Upgrade', either online or
> from a live CD to work properly.  It was quicker and easier to re-install.
>
> There is something I've wanted to do before and failed.  I'd like Bluetooth
> to be off by default.  The command 'service bluetooth stop' which I seem to
> remember used to work, gives the reply 'bluetooth stop/waiting' but does not
> turn Bluetooth off according to the Bluetooth icon.  The command 'rfkill
> block bluetooth' does work OK, but if I want to turn bluetooth back on,
> 'unblock' sets the icon to active, but Bluetooth won't work until I have
> re-booted without the rfkill command in my ~/.profile file.
>
> Something has to be possible as I can turn Bluetooth off and on again by
> clicking on the icon and using the menuitem there.  But I'd like to do this
> as a command on startup.  Any thoughts?

You should be able to turn it off in System Settings > Bluetooth

Colin

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[ubuntu-uk] Stopping bluetooth .....

2012-04-18 Thread Barry Drake
I've just put 12.04 on my Samsung N150 netbook.  Previously, I've had to 
do various tweaks to get things fully working, but with 12.04, 
everything worked out of the box.  Fantastic.


The only problem was starting off with the 'upgrade' option on the Live 
CD installer.  This was a miserable failure in several ways  including a 
non-working installation of the Ubuntu Software Centre.  I don't want to 
go into all the details, but I've never yet got 'Upgrade', either online 
or from a live CD to work properly.  It was quicker and easier to 
re-install.


There is something I've wanted to do before and failed.  I'd like 
Bluetooth to be off by default.  The command 'service bluetooth stop' 
which I seem to remember used to work, gives the reply 'bluetooth 
stop/waiting' but does not turn Bluetooth off according to the Bluetooth 
icon.  The command 'rfkill block bluetooth' does work OK, but if I want 
to turn bluetooth back on, 'unblock' sets the icon to active, but 
Bluetooth won't work until I have re-booted without the rfkill command 
in my ~/.profile file.


Something has to be possible as I can turn Bluetooth off and on again by 
clicking on the icon and using the menuitem there.  But I'd like to do 
this as a command on startup.  Any thoughts?


Regards,Barry.

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[ubuntu-uk] Code of Conduct changes

2012-04-18 Thread Alan Bell
The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is one of the founding principles of the 
project, you can read it in full here: 
http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct


There is also a leadership code of conduct which is here: 
http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/leadership-conduct


These are being updated and merged so there will be just one, and here 
is the draft of it

http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sabdfl/ubuntu-codeofconduct/v2-draft/view/head:/MergedCodeOfConduct.txt

there is an article about the change 
http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/04/16/code-of-conduct-update/ and if you 
have any feedback on it please do get in touch with the Community 
Council via Laura Czajkowski


Alan.

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