Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
On 21 August 2013 22:30, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/08/2013 10:17, Alan Pope wrote: On 21 August 2013 10:13, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. Nobody is attacking anyone. Get a grip. Just to be clear, when I said you, this is what I meant, I dont appreciate being told to get a grip..especially when I wasnt the one to shoot anybody down.. Good morning, Respectfully, I would prefer my inbox not be full of this dross every time I turn my computer on in the morning. If people are going to keep sprouting cr*p he said this, I'm being bullied I don't want to be on this list any more. Quite frankly this list is here to talk about GNU/Linux and more specifically Ubuntu. Having petty, poorly spelt arguments about being called this, that and the other only serves to make everyone party to the discussion look like a complete moron. The point that was raised was valid, however there have always been attacks around capable of hosing a Linux system, for as long as I can remember. All of these hacks required some form of mistake on the part of the user, much the same as Windows. A good analogy is giving someone a top of the range safe, but the recipient, not being trained to lock it, accidentally leaves it open, or does something to compromise the security. It's not the fault of the safe, merely that the user didn't know how to secure it. Around all of the rubbish that people have been sprouting on here, there is some logic. Using unofficial repositories is always a good way of increasing the risk factor of a break in, but by all means this doesn't mean don't use them at all if they are reputable. Another popular one is not running any scripts or Java executables from websites which aren't necessarily trustworthy. That's opening the door for someone to slip a nice rootkit in to your machine and start causing havoc. The chances of this actually happening, unless you are really gullible are quite low anyway, but perhaps it's worth going and reading some articles/books on improving your skills at preventing and detecting infections if you feel unskilled. In summary, (to everyone) kindly use your brains before spraying your verbal diarrhoea into a public conversation and speak to someone as you would like to be spoken to yourself. Kris Douglas MBCS www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
On 21 August 2013 22:12, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: .. I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. The only post I can see from Peter Maddison was a reply to Pete Smout's post not yours, and anyway it was the content of the link he was commenting on not anyone's post here. Note also that I commented on his post, pointing out that it did not make sense, but it was still not an attack on you. I don't see where I shot you down. I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable about Linux.the rest of us are treated like I have been now. I agree entirely that it is possible to get Malware on a Linux PC, so one should always be careful where one is installing software from. As I said before I don't see where you have been treated like an idiot, and if you got the impression that I was treating you like an idiot then I apologise sincerely. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote: On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a number of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not so long back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably harsh manner by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no evidence and proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an expert, not everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption and as many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making them feel small, they will only leave. I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried you? Colin I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable about Linux.the rest of us are treated like I have been now. An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are shouted down in, by the same people every time. If there is a threat out there, no matter small people should be a) aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems, if everyone does small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider community benefits, Look at how many bot nets are out there, there seems to be several million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so unless you understand what it is asking you to do # Do not install unsigned packages # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository # Keep your system up to date at all times # Keep all browser plugins up to date # If your distribution has SELinux, use it # Do not let others install software on your machines # Use solid passwords # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the above issues, the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful and what I should use it, it says don't install things you don't understand, well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of understand does this mean I should or should not install it, (look at that from a complete new user viewpoint) Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really does baffle the novice, lets take a step back and address each of the above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more secure through education and advice. I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can help me explain each of the above points please, this information will then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice help others. Hope this helps In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, Paul -- -- http://www.zleap.net http://www.linkedin.com/pub/paul-sutton/36/595/911 Software freedom day event - 21st September 2013 - http://exeter.lug.org.uk/ I am committed to safeguarding children, young people and vulnerable groups and expect any school or establishment I am involved with to share this commitment. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote: On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote: On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a number of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not so long back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably harsh manner by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no evidence and proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an expert, not everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption and as many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making them feel small, they will only leave. I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried you? Colin I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable about Linux.the rest of us are treated like I have been now. An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are shouted down in, by the same people every time. If there is a threat out there, no matter small people should be a) aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems, if everyone does small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider community benefits, Look at how many bot nets are out there, there seems to be several million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so unless you understand what it is asking you to do # Do not install unsigned packages # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository # Keep your system up to date at all times # Keep all browser plugins up to date # If your distribution has SELinux, use it # Do not let others install software on your machines # Use solid passwords # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the above issues, the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful and what I should use it, it says don't install things you don't understand, well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of understand does this mean I should or should not install it, (look at that from a complete new user viewpoint) Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really does baffle the novice, lets take a step back and address each of the above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more secure through education and advice. I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can help me explain each of the above points please, this information will then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice help others. Hope this helps In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, Paul Hi, Although I have heard of SELinux I have never used it, I believe (not certain) that it comes as default on modern *buntu systems?! Does it need setting up, if so a link to a how to would be good! What are the benefits if using / installing it over not having it? What are the pitfalls of using it (for example I use the mozilla ppa as the firefox version in the Ubunutu repos is too out of date for certain webpages, let alone from a security point of view, will it allow me to continue using it?) I think some more research on my part is needed as in my everyday world SEL means Shelf Edge Label so the name leads to confusion ;) Good Job I'm not working today and I have the time to research, if anyone has some good links on the subject I (if not anyone else) would be interested
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
On 22/08/13 11:59, pete smout wrote: On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote: On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote: On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a number of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not so long back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably harsh manner by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no evidence and proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an expert, not everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption and as many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making them feel small, they will only leave. I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried you? Colin I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable about Linux.the rest of us are treated like I have been now. An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are shouted down in, by the same people every time. If there is a threat out there, no matter small people should be a) aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems, if everyone does small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider community benefits, Look at how many bot nets are out there, there seems to be several million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so unless you understand what it is asking you to do # Do not install unsigned packages # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository # Keep your system up to date at all times # Keep all browser plugins up to date # If your distribution has SELinux, use it # Do not let others install software on your machines # Use solid passwords # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the above issues, the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful and what I should use it, it says don't install things you don't understand, well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of understand does this mean I should or should not install it, (look at that from a complete new user viewpoint) Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really does baffle the novice, lets take a step back and address each of the above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more secure through education and advice. I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can help me explain each of the above points please, this information will then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice help others. Hope this helps In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, Paul Hi, Although I have heard of SELinux I have never used it, I believe (not certain) that it comes as default on modern *buntu systems?! Does it need setting up, if so a link to a how to would be good! What are the benefits if using / installing it over not having it? What are the pitfalls of using it (for example I use the mozilla ppa as the firefox version in the Ubunutu repos is too out of date for certain webpages, let alone from a security point of view, will it allow me to continue using it?) I think some more research on my part is needed as in my everyday world SEL means Shelf Edge Label so the name leads to confusion ;) Good Job I'm not working today and I have the time to research, if anyone has some good links on the subject I
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
On 22 August 2013 12:21, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote: Right a quick google of 'SELinux ubuntu 13.04' a link top of page to an Amazon page trying to sell me a Ubunutu DVD for £6.49 (even I am not that stupid) the SELinux wiki page is helpful if long-winded, and I have found a folder /selinux which is completely empty on my system? does that mean it is there? Or is it there and never been configured for use? And on a single user system (as opposed to a server) do I need it at all? I apologize in advance if I (1) should start a new thread (will happily do so), or (2) am asking stupid questions, but this thread has got me thinking.. Pete Smout Ubuntu uses AppArmor rather than SELInux (which is used by e.g. Fedora, CentOS and SUSE). This is probably why you haven't found a lot about it wrt Ubuntu! J -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
On 22 August 2013 12:21, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote: On 22/08/13 11:59, pete smout wrote: On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote: On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote: On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a number of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not so long back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably harsh manner by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no evidence and proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an expert, not everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption and as many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making them feel small, they will only leave. I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried you? Colin I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable about Linux.the rest of us are treated like I have been now. An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are shouted down in, by the same people every time. If there is a threat out there, no matter small people should be a) aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems, if everyone does small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider community benefits, Look at how many bot nets are out there, there seems to be several million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so unless you understand what it is asking you to do # Do not install unsigned packages # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository # Keep your system up to date at all times # Keep all browser plugins up to date # If your distribution has SELinux, use it # Do not let others install software on your machines # Use solid passwords # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the above issues, the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful and what I should use it, it says don't install things you don't understand, well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of understand does this mean I should or should not install it, (look at that from a complete new user viewpoint) Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really does baffle the novice, lets take a step back and address each of the above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more secure through education and advice. I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can help me explain each of the above points please, this information will then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice help others. Hope this helps In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, Paul Hi, Although I have heard of SELinux I have never used it, I believe (not certain) that it comes as default on modern *buntu systems?! Does it need setting up, if so a link to a how to would be good! What are the benefits if using / installing it over not having it? What are the pitfalls of using it (for example I use the mozilla ppa as the firefox version in the Ubunutu repos is too out of date for certain webpages, let alone from a security point of view, will it allow me to continue using it?) I think some more research on my part is needed as in my everyday world SEL means Shelf Edge Label so the name leads to confusion ;) Good Job I'm not working today and I have the time to
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
On 22/08/13 12:33, Kris Douglas wrote: On 22 August 2013 12:21, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote: On 22/08/13 11:59, pete smout wrote: On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote: On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote: On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a number of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not so long back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably harsh manner by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no evidence and proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an expert, not everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption and as many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making them feel small, they will only leave. I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried you? Colin I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable about Linux.the rest of us are treated like I have been now. An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are shouted down in, by the same people every time. If there is a threat out there, no matter small people should be a) aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems, if everyone does small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider community benefits, Look at how many bot nets are out there, there seems to be several million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so unless you understand what it is asking you to do # Do not install unsigned packages # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository # Keep your system up to date at all times # Keep all browser plugins up to date # If your distribution has SELinux, use it # Do not let others install software on your machines # Use solid passwords # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the above issues, the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful and what I should use it, it says don't install things you don't understand, well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of understand does this mean I should or should not install it, (look at that from a complete new user viewpoint) Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really does baffle the novice, lets take a step back and address each of the above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more secure through education and advice. I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can help me explain each of the above points please, this information will then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice help others. Hope this helps In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, Paul Hi, Although I have heard of SELinux I have never used it, I believe (not certain) that it comes as default on modern *buntu systems?! Does it need setting up, if so a link to a how to would be good! What are the benefits if using / installing it over not having it? What are the pitfalls of using it (for example I use the mozilla ppa as the firefox version in the Ubunutu repos is too out of date for certain webpages, let alone from a security point of view, will it allow me to continue using it?) I think some more research on my part is needed as in my everyday world SEL means Shelf Edge Label so the name leads to confusion ;) Good Job I'm not
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
On 22/08/13 13:06, pete smout wrote: On 22/08/13 12:33, Kris Douglas wrote: On 22 August 2013 12:21, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote: On 22/08/13 11:59, pete smout wrote: On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote: On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote: On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a number of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not so long back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably harsh manner by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no evidence and proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an expert, not everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption and as many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making them feel small, they will only leave. I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried you? Colin I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable about Linux.the rest of us are treated like I have been now. An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are shouted down in, by the same people every time. If there is a threat out there, no matter small people should be a) aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems, if everyone does small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider community benefits, Look at how many bot nets are out there, there seems to be several million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so unless you understand what it is asking you to do # Do not install unsigned packages # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository # Keep your system up to date at all times # Keep all browser plugins up to date # If your distribution has SELinux, use it # Do not let others install software on your machines # Use solid passwords # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the above issues, the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful and what I should use it, it says don't install things you don't understand, well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of understand does this mean I should or should not install it, (look at that from a complete new user viewpoint) Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really does baffle the novice, lets take a step back and address each of the above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more secure through education and advice. I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can help me explain each of the above points please, this information will then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice help others. Hope this helps In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, Paul Hi, Although I have heard of SELinux I have never used it, I believe (not certain) that it comes as default on modern *buntu systems?! Does it need setting up, if so a link to a how to would be good! What are the benefits if using / installing it over not having it? What are the pitfalls of using it (for example I use the mozilla ppa as the firefox version in the Ubunutu repos is too out of date for certain webpages, let alone from a security point of view, will it allow me to continue using it?) I think some more research on my part is needed as in my everyday world SEL means Shelf Edge Label so the name
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
SEL takes a bit of getting your head round (well, I found it the hardest part of the Red Hat Engineer course I did). The notes from Red Hat are very good and I include two links for those who wish top learn more. Regards, Phill. 1. https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Security-Enhanced_Linux/index.html 2. http://www.redhat.com/magazine/001nov04/features/selinux/ On 22 August 2013 13:30, Tony Arnold tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk wrote: On 22/08/13 13:06, pete smout wrote: On 22/08/13 12:33, Kris Douglas wrote: On 22 August 2013 12:21, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote: On 22/08/13 11:59, pete smout wrote: On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote: On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote: On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a number of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not so long back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably harsh manner by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no evidence and proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an expert, not everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption and as many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making them feel small, they will only leave. I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried you? Colin I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable about Linux.the rest of us are treated like I have been now. An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are shouted down in, by the same people every time. If there is a threat out there, no matter small people should be a) aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems, if everyone does small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider community benefits, Look at how many bot nets are out there, there seems to be several million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so unless you understand what it is asking you to do # Do not install unsigned packages # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository # Keep your system up to date at all times # Keep all browser plugins up to date # If your distribution has SELinux, use it # Do not let others install software on your machines # Use solid passwords # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the above issues, the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful and what I should use it, it says don't install things you don't understand, well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of understand does this mean I should or should not install it, (look at that from a complete new user viewpoint) Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really does baffle the novice, lets take a step back and address each of the above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more secure through education and advice. I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can help me explain each of the above points please, this information will then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice help others. Hope this helps In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, Paul
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Yep, that's exactly what I meant, if you don't use the 'official' repo then you're open to all manner of 'nasties' ready to infect your PC. Pete M ( :-P ) To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com From: psmo...@live.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:34:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet. On 21/08/13 08:27, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 04:05, Peter Maddison ponchorat1...@hotmail.com wrote: NOTE the keyword -- IF you install it. Unless you NEVER use the OFFICIAL REPO and are totally careless with your system then there's a VERY high chance you could infect your system with ANY virus. I don't think that is what you meant to say, but I am not sure what you did mean. Colin I think he meant UN-official repos! And I am more fussy today than i was 6 years ago when i first made the leap from windoze do Ubuntu partly because I have now found my favourite packages, and know what I want, partly because I am more aware of the risks! In some ways this has narrowed my view, and I am less likely to experiment with the latest ( possibly greatest) new thing out there, but at least my productivity has improved ;) in short as long as we are aware of the risks, we are (hopefully) all intelligent enough to make an informed choice, and we just have a duty to put the info out there to inform new users of the potential risks of adding random PPA's so they are equally well informed. Pete S (the first one);) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Are you referring to the guy who wrote the piece or my reply?If my piece, what's wrong with it? Pete Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:13:18 +0100 From: scoundrel...@gmail.com To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet. Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On 21/08/2013 04:05, Peter Maddison wrote: NOTE the keyword -- IF you install it. Unless you NEVER use the OFFICIAL REPO and are totally careless with your system then there's a VERY high chance you could infect your system with ANY virus. I like the way he also goes on about it must mean that Linux must becoming a popular OS. and that Window$ gets hacked too. If hacking was THAT bad, Window$ would be no more. But it's STILL here, but do you notice there are virtually NO hacks reported or otherwise on Win95 or higher up to 200 and probably dying out on the XP as there's Vista, 7 and 8 to attack now. Pete (a different one :-) ) To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com From: psmo...@live.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:16:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet. On 20/08/13 17:38, scoundrel50a wrote: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/hand-of-thief-malware-could-be-dangerous-if-you-install-it/?ftag=TRE475558as_cid=e011tag=nl.e011ttag=e011 Thanks for the heads up first i'd heard of it suppose we all have to be more careful now we are no longer the silent minority but gaining market share! Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Thanks, I don't know what his problem is? Pete From: clan...@googlemail.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:25:05 +0100 To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet. On 21 August 2013 10:13, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. I don't think he was talking about you, he was commenting on the article you provided the link for. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21 August 2013 04:05, Peter Maddison ponchorat1...@hotmail.com wrote: NOTE the keyword -- IF you install it. Unless you NEVER use the OFFICIAL REPO and are totally careless with your system then there's a VERY high chance you could infect your system with ANY virus. I don't think that is what you meant to say, but I am not sure what you did mean. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21/08/13 08:27, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 04:05, Peter Maddison ponchorat1...@hotmail.com wrote: NOTE the keyword -- IF you install it. Unless you NEVER use the OFFICIAL REPO and are totally careless with your system then there's a VERY high chance you could infect your system with ANY virus. I don't think that is what you meant to say, but I am not sure what you did mean. Colin I think he meant UN-official repos! And I am more fussy today than i was 6 years ago when i first made the leap from windoze do Ubuntu partly because I have now found my favourite packages, and know what I want, partly because I am more aware of the risks! In some ways this has narrowed my view, and I am less likely to experiment with the latest ( possibly greatest) new thing out there, but at least my productivity has improved ;) in short as long as we are aware of the risks, we are (hopefully) all intelligent enough to make an informed choice, and we just have a duty to put the info out there to inform new users of the potential risks of adding random PPA's so they are equally well informed. Pete S (the first one);) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On 21/08/2013 04:05, Peter Maddison wrote: NOTE the keyword -- IF you install it. Unless you NEVER use the OFFICIAL REPO and are totally careless with your system then there's a VERY high chance you could infect your system with ANY virus. I like the way he also goes on about it must mean that Linux must becoming a popular OS. and that Window$ gets hacked too. If hacking was THAT bad, Window$ would be no more. But it's STILL here, but do you notice there are virtually NO hacks reported or otherwise on Win95 or higher up to 200 and probably dying out on the XP as there's Vista, 7 and 8 to attack now. Pete (a different one :-) ) http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/198/3ybl.jpg/ To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com From: psmo...@live.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:16:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet. On 20/08/13 17:38, scoundrel50a wrote: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/hand-of-thief-malware-could-be-dangerous-if-you-install-it/?ftag=TRE475558as_cid=e011tag=nl.e011ttag=e011 Thanks for the heads up first i'd heard of it suppose we all have to be more careful now we are no longer the silent minority but gaining market share! Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21 August 2013 10:13, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. Nobody is attacking anyone. Get a grip. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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What a surpriseno change the then On 21 August 2013 10:13, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. Nobody is attacking anyone. Get a grip. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21 August 2013 10:13, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. I don't think he was talking about you, he was commenting on the article you provided the link for. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21 August 2013 09:34, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote: On 21/08/13 08:27, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 04:05, Peter Maddison ponchorat1...@hotmail.com wrote: NOTE the keyword -- IF you install it. Unless you NEVER use the OFFICIAL REPO and are totally careless with your system then there's a VERY high chance you could infect your system with ANY virus. I don't think that is what you meant to say, but I am not sure what you did mean. Colin I think he meant UN-official repos! Even then it doesn't make sense - unless you never use the UN-official repo .. then your are likely to get a virus. I really don't know whether he is saying we are most unlikely to get a virus or we are very likely to. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21 August 2013 11:32, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 21 August 2013 09:34, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote: On 21/08/13 08:27, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 04:05, Peter Maddison ponchorat1...@hotmail.com wrote: NOTE the keyword -- IF you install it. Unless you NEVER use the OFFICIAL REPO and are totally careless with your system then there's a VERY high chance you could infect your system with ANY virus. I don't think that is what you meant to say, but I am not sure what you did mean. Colin I think he meant UN-official repos! Even then it doesn't make sense - unless you never use the UN-official repo .. then your are likely to get a virus. I really don't know whether he is saying we are most unlikely to get a virus or we are very likely to. And that's the problem with starting with a negative and then negating it! I believe the intention was similar to the following: If you REGULARLY use UNOFFICIAL REPOs and you are totally careless with your system then there's a VERY high chance you WILL infect your system with a virus of some sort -- Daniel Llewellyn -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21 August 2013 14:12, Daniel Llewellyn diddle...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 August 2013 11:32, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 21 August 2013 09:34, pete smout psmo...@live.com wrote: On 21/08/13 08:27, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 04:05, Peter Maddison ponchorat1...@hotmail.com wrote: NOTE the keyword -- IF you install it. Unless you NEVER use the OFFICIAL REPO and are totally careless with your system then there's a VERY high chance you could infect your system with ANY virus. I don't think that is what you meant to say, but I am not sure what you did mean. Colin I think he meant UN-official repos! Even then it doesn't make sense - unless you never use the UN-official repo .. then your are likely to get a virus. I really don't know whether he is saying we are most unlikely to get a virus or we are very likely to. And that's the problem with starting with a negative and then negating it! I believe the intention was similar to the following: If you REGULARLY use UNOFFICIAL REPOs and you are totally careless with your system then there's a VERY high chance you WILL infect your system with a virus of some sort At least that makes sense, but I don't think it is true. I think on Linux there is /slight/ chance of being infected if you are careless, whereas on Windows there is a /high/ chance of infection in those circumstances. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a number of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not so long back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably harsh manner by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no evidence and proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an expert, not everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption and as many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making them feel small, they will only leave. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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I think he meant UN-official repos! Even then it doesn't make sense - unless you never use the UN-official repo .. then your are likely to get a virus. I really don't know whether he is saying we are most unlikely to get a virus or we are very likely to. Colin It's fairly obvious he meant to say if rarely use the official repos and if you are sloppy with your security then you are likely to get a virus. He obviously got a little tongue tied in his thinking. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a number of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not so long back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably harsh manner by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no evidence and proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an expert, not everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption and as many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making them feel small, they will only leave. I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried you? Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote: On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France gareth.fra...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a number of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not so long back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably harsh manner by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no evidence and proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem. I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an expert, not everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption and as many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making them feel small, they will only leave. I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he said. Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried you? Colin I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did. I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable about Linux.the rest of us are treated like I have been now. An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are shouted down in, by the same people every time. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 21/08/2013 10:17, Alan Pope wrote: On 21 August 2013 10:13, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when people see this. Nobody is attacking anyone. Get a grip. Just to be clear, when I said you, this is what I meant, I dont appreciate being told to get a grip..especially when I wasnt the one to shoot anybody down.. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/hand-of-thief-malware-could-be-dangerous-if-you-install-it/?ftag=TRE475558as_cid=e011tag=nl.e011ttag=e011 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
On 20/08/13 17:38, scoundrel50a wrote: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/hand-of-thief-malware-could-be-dangerous-if-you-install-it/?ftag=TRE475558as_cid=e011tag=nl.e011ttag=e011 Thanks for the heads up first i'd heard of it suppose we all have to be more careful now we are no longer the silent minority but gaining market share! Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....
NOTE the keyword -- IF you install it.Unless you NEVER use the OFFICIAL REPO and are totally careless with your system then there's a VERY high chance you could infect your system with ANY virus. I like the way he also goes on about it must mean that Linux must becoming a popular OS. and that Window$ gets hacked too. If hacking was THAT bad, Window$ would be no more. But it's STILL here, but do you notice there are virtually NO hacks reported or otherwise on Win95 or higher up to 200 and probably dying out on the XP as there's Vista, 7 and 8 to attack now. Pete (a different one :-) ) To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com From: psmo...@live.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:16:41 +0100 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet. On 20/08/13 17:38, scoundrel50a wrote: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/hand-of-thief-malware-could-be-dangerous-if-you-install-it/?ftag=TRE475558as_cid=e011tag=nl.e011ttag=e011 Thanks for the heads up first i'd heard of it suppose we all have to be more careful now we are no longer the silent minority but gaining market share! Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
