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It's dday lol. Just waiting now, got my ubuntu disks and book. Wish me luck! James -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Just a quick update - the boss wasn't in... I'm not in next Saturday due to exams so at least I've got a bit of time to 'prepare' Speak to y'all soon. James On 30 May 2009, at 09:25, James Milligan lak...@lake54.com wrote: It's dday lol. Just waiting now, got my ubuntu disks and book. Wish me luck! James -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Wow I must say that's a comprehensive plan of action there. I'm going to print off that email itself and bring it in this Saturday. I was thinking myself of the dualboot option, but I settled on the idea of WINE being OK for most needs. Would it be possible to customize a Linux install disk to already have these packages installed automatically? Similar to n/vlite on Windows. We don't have an online shop as such - the conclusion I've come to is that it would cost too much to transport the computers to other parts of the country. It's a good idea though. I'll let y'all know how it goes anyway. James On 26 May 2009, at 21:23, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: James Milligan wrote: Let me just say that I couldn't think of a better title for this, so please improve it if you can! The shop I work in sells desktop computers that are built to order each time, meaning the OS too. We also sell laptops by ASUS but that's [...] Have you considered selling dual boot computers? I know it is currently unconventional, and would give most readers here indigestion at the thought, but from my experience most 'customers' are already hooked on Windows and invariably want Windows still in place on their computers, but they ALSO want Ubuntu to give them an elegant 'escape' route. If nothing prevents then using Ubuntu such as an incompatible printer, then experience suggests they will use Ubuntu more and more with time. In a high street retail environment, the offer of 'Added Value' of dual boot would lead to a higher purchase price. If the price is too low this will seem illogical to a Windows 'Retail' customer. My guess would be an extra 50 pounds for Ubuntu dual boot, with Ubuntu configured with as many media codecs and flash, as possible. If the hardware is compatible that should take less than one hour, maybe half hour. You will then be continuing Windows support for a time, and also be in a position to support learning of Ubuntu use. You will become known locally as the escape route from Windows. I believe that the type of person who will buy a pre installed Ubuntu PC in a high street store will be happy to pay extra and be even happier that it is dual boot. You will get a fair amount of in person visits to ask this or that question - they will come to the shop and see something and buy it, when talking to you. More business. My estimate is that it will take the customers approximately two years before they want to discard Windows altogether. Meanwhile you can still offer Ubuntu only PCs to those that want them preinstalled (for the same price or a little more than Windows PCs??). You will also get a market, (perhaps online sales?), for naked PCs which you know are compatible with Ubuntu. Personally, I do not have much need for a pre installed PC, however I do have a regular (sort of) need to buy hardware that I will install into, and it is always a bit of a gamble about the hardware. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM, James Milligan lak...@lake54.com wrote: Would it be possible to customize a Linux install disk to already have these packages installed automatically? Similar to n/vlite on Windows. If it was standard hardware surely you could simply do one install, then copy an image of the drive and clone it? Restoring or installing for the first time a drive image doesn't take long, and has the advantage you could give the customers a copy of the image as a restore to factory settings as they often do with Windows - just a thought. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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That's actually a cracking idea. We did sometimes used to use cloning devices but they were a bit touch and go. Is it still possible to use a customized disk though? Because the desktops aren't always the same inside, and we change the hardware every so often. Thanks once again. James On 27 May 2009, at 11:51, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:44 AM, James Milligan lak...@lake54.com wrote: Would it be possible to customize a Linux install disk to already have these packages installed automatically? Similar to n/vlite on Windows. If it was standard hardware surely you could simply do one install, then copy an image of the drive and clone it? Restoring or installing for the first time a drive image doesn't take long, and has the advantage you could give the customers a copy of the image as a restore to factory settings as they often do with Windows - just a thought. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Ah thanks for that. Just seeing the quote you used from my last email - wanted to clarify it a bit. The reason i'm wanting a live cd is so that I can put the codec stuff on or flash and the other media things, not drivers etc. As a quick sort of poll, is Ubuntu Desktop the best for this type of thing, rather than any of the others? I.e. Kubuntu, Xubuntu etc. Thanks James On 27 May 2009, at 13:13, Dean Sas d...@deansas.org wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:59, James Milligan lak...@lake54.com wrote: Is it still possible to use a customized disk though? Because the desktops aren't always the same inside, and we change the hardware every so often. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization Unless you have to install some restricted drivers or do some special configuration then Ubuntu should just detect the new hardware and run with it. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Business with Ubuntu
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:44:31 +0100 From: James Milligan lak...@lake54.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Business with Ubuntu To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: fa5c1868-d447-4b3c-9dc5-538611b61...@lake54.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Wow I must say that's a comprehensive plan of action there. I'm going to print off that email itself and bring it in this Saturday. I was thinking myself of the dualboot option, but I settled on the idea of WINE being OK for most needs. Would it be possible to customize a Linux install disk to already have these packages installed automatically? Similar to n/vlite on Windows. I found it :-) From an article someone posted a while back... http://tuxradar.com/content/100-open-source-gems-part-2 and http://tuxradar.com/content/100-open-source-gems-part-1 Look at number 89: Ubuntu Customisation Kit. So this should help you setup an Ubuntu distro to your liking... ready for distribution alongside your installed system!! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Thanks for that :-) I actually had that site open on my iPhone ready to look at once I had a bit of time. I haven't actually got ubuntu installed anywhere at the moment because in the summer I'm building a new computer from scratch which is going to have Ubuntu on a dualboot with xp then windows 7 when it comes out. Until then I'll try and make do with a vm install, or even convince the boss to let me make a workshop machine with just ubuntu on. Thanks for the help James On 27 May 2009, at 13:59, Cornelius Mostert corneliusmost...@googlemail.com wrote: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:44:31 +0100 From: James Milligan lak...@lake54.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Business with Ubuntu To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: fa5c1868-d447-4b3c-9dc5-538611b61...@lake54.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Wow I must say that's a comprehensive plan of action there. I'm going to print off that email itself and bring it in this Saturday. I was thinking myself of the dualboot option, but I settled on the idea of WINE being OK for most needs. Would it be possible to customize a Linux install disk to already have these packages installed automatically? Similar to n/vlite on Windows. I found it :-) From an article someone posted a while back... http://tuxradar.com/content/100-open-source-gems-part-2 and http://tuxradar.com/content/100-open-source-gems-part-1 Look at number 89: Ubuntu Customisation Kit. So this should help you setup an Ubuntu distro to your liking... ready for distribution alongside your installed system!! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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2009/5/27 James Milligan lak...@lake54.com: Ah thanks for that. Just seeing the quote you used from my last email - wanted to clarify it a bit. The reason i'm wanting a live cd is so that I can put the codec stuff on or flash and the other media things, not drivers etc. As a quick sort of poll, is Ubuntu Desktop the best for this type of thing, rather than any of the others? I.e. Kubuntu, Xubuntu etc. Stick with Ubuntu if the machine can handle it. If it is a bit low powered, then use Xubuntu. You don't want too many options/configurations, as it will become a nightmare to manage. Before all the KDE fans get flame throwers out, I only suggest using Ubuntu as it is the standard version, not because of any bias for Gnome on my part. -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Oh and just anoter quick poll, presumably we should use an LTS release? I remember a discussion a while ago regarding something like this and you all saying LTS. James On 27 May 2009, at 13:59, Cornelius Mostert corneliusmost...@googlemail.com wrote: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:44:31 +0100 From: James Milligan lak...@lake54.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Business with Ubuntu To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: fa5c1868-d447-4b3c-9dc5-538611b61...@lake54.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Wow I must say that's a comprehensive plan of action there. I'm going to print off that email itself and bring it in this Saturday. I was thinking myself of the dualboot option, but I settled on the idea of WINE being OK for most needs. Would it be possible to customize a Linux install disk to already have these packages installed automatically? Similar to n/vlite on Windows. I found it :-) From an article someone posted a while back... http://tuxradar.com/content/100-open-source-gems-part-2 and http://tuxradar.com/content/100-open-source-gems-part-1 Look at number 89: Ubuntu Customisation Kit. So this should help you setup an Ubuntu distro to your liking... ready for distribution alongside your installed system!! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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At this point in the cycle the 8.04 LTS has only a little more support time than the non LTS 9.04 so I would go Jaunty and be nice and new. Particularly for a desktop to get the notifications and UbuntuOne working Alan --Original Message-- From: James Milligan Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com To: British Ubuntu Talk ReplyTo: British Ubuntu Talk Sent: 27 May 2009 16:01 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Business with Ubuntu Oh and just anoter quick poll, presumably we should use an LTS release? I remember a discussion a while ago regarding something like this and you all saying LTS. James On 27 May 2009, at 13:59, Cornelius Mostert corneliusmost...@googlemail.com wrote: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:44:31 +0100 From: James Milligan lak...@lake54.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Business with Ubuntu To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: fa5c1868-d447-4b3c-9dc5-538611b61...@lake54.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Wow I must say that's a comprehensive plan of action there. I'm going to print off that email itself and bring it in this Saturday. I was thinking myself of the dualboot option, but I settled on the idea of WINE being OK for most needs. Would it be possible to customize a Linux install disk to already have these packages installed automatically? Similar to n/vlite on Windows. I found it :-) From an article someone posted a while back... http://tuxradar.com/content/100-open-source-gems-part-2 and http://tuxradar.com/content/100-open-source-gems-part-1 Look at number 89: Ubuntu Customisation Kit. So this should help you setup an Ubuntu distro to your liking... ready for distribution alongside your installed system!! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Check out our Libertus servers at http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/libertus.html -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Ok thank for that. Also just to answer Alan's email which has just come through, thanks as well. James On 27 May 2009, at 16:00, Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.uk wrote: 2009/5/27 James Milligan lak...@lake54.com: Ah thanks for that. Just seeing the quote you used from my last email - wanted to clarify it a bit. The reason i'm wanting a live cd is so that I can put the codec stuff on or flash and the other media things, not drivers etc. As a quick sort of poll, is Ubuntu Desktop the best for this type of thing, rather than any of the others? I.e. Kubuntu, Xubuntu etc. Stick with Ubuntu if the machine can handle it. If it is a bit low powered, then use Xubuntu. You don't want too many options/configurations, as it will become a nightmare to manage. Before all the KDE fans get flame throwers out, I only suggest using Ubuntu as it is the standard version, not because of any bias for Gnome on my part. -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Alan Bell wrote: At this point in the cycle the 8.04 LTS has only a little more support time than the non LTS 9.04 so I would go Jaunty and be nice and new. Particularly for a desktop to get the notifications and UbuntuOne working Hello, Alan. I'm supporting a lot of Ubuntu systems running 8.04 LTS, but I'm not planning to upgrade until the next LTS release. In James' situation, I'd stick to LTS-only releases, otherwise the systems he builds will be more difficult to maintain. I use 8.04 LTS on servers, and desktops/laptops. Before you all flame me, I'm not criticising using the latest Ubuntu releases on your own PC. I'm pointing out that if you have a lot of systems to support, an LTS-only policy is easier to manage. It would then be up to James' customers to decide if they want to upgrade to a more recent non-LTS Ubuntu release such as 9.04. BYW, James, have you considered using remastersys to create 'product' recovery CD's for the systems you sell? http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/ubuntu.html This works very well - I used reconstructor to remaster the official Ubuntu live/install CD before, but remastersys can be used to create a live/install CD or a live/backup CD from a system already installed onto your hard disk. You could offer the live/backup as a product recovery CD to restore the system to the same state it was in when it left the shop. Bye, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, University of Aberdeen, Rowett Institute of Nutrition and Health, Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK tel +44(0)1224 712751, fax +44(0)1224 716687, http://www.rowett.ac.uk mailto:a.tra...@abdn.ac.uk, http://bioinformatics.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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James Milligan wrote: Oh and just anoter quick poll, presumably we should use an LTS release? I remember a discussion a while ago regarding something like this and you all saying LTS. James No reason why you couldn't offer both. I dare say most customers would be fine with 9.04 or the latest version but some customer may well need 8.04 LTS (although I'd assume this would be more on the server than the desktop). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Business with Ubuntu
Let me just say that I couldn't think of a better title for this, so please improve it if you can! The shop I work in sells desktop computers that are built to order each time, meaning the OS too. We also sell laptops by ASUS but that's not really relevant at the moment. Our main thing, though, is repairing computers in general. The boss has told me that he's got 2 Ubuntu desktops to be built, and he wants me to do them. He said this because I'm pretty much the only person in the company that's knows about Ubuntu enough to install it and set it up. I feel that the time is right to suggest moving to Ubuntu as a mainstream option when people are choosing what OS to have. The only issues I can see, and what he will see, are the following: - profitability - how much do you 'charge' for Ubuntu to make it worthwhile? Also, because of the nature of Windows PCs, we get a lot of return sales because of the repairs etc. I know Ubuntu computers break, but not as often or as badly as Windows ones do. - training - I'm sure he doesn't want to cough up for the official Canonical training, yet I can't go around teaching the guys who know more about Windows than I will probably ever do about it. Is there any training (preferably close to Manchester, but Cheshire would be better). I hope someone can think of 'solutions' for this - I know that he'd go for Ubuntu if he could, it's just that there isn't as much profit in it. Thanks for any help! James Milligan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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On 26/05/09 09:04, James Milligan wrote: Let me just say that I couldn't think of a better title for this, so please improve it if you can! The shop I work in sells desktop computers that are built to order each time, meaning the OS too. We also sell laptops by ASUS but that's not really relevant at the moment. Our main thing, though, is repairing computers in general. If you can or do sell naked Computers i.e. without an OS at all, please drop a comment on our site and we'll add your business to the list. http://nakedcomputers.org/ The boss has told me that he's got 2 Ubuntu desktops to be built, and he wants me to do them. He said this because I'm pretty much the only person in the company that's knows about Ubuntu enough to install it and set it up. I feel that the time is right to suggest moving to Ubuntu as a mainstream option when people are choosing what OS to have. The only issues I can see, and what he will see, are the following: - profitability - how much do you 'charge' for Ubuntu to make it worthwhile? Also, because of the nature of Windows PCs, we get a lot of return sales because of the repairs etc. I know Ubuntu computers break, but not as often or as badly as Windows ones do. There are other firms who sell Linux based PCs and laptops. But I guess the first question is how much profit do you make on the Windows OEM license? It can't be that much... (And Ubuntu installs a damn site quicker that Windows ad you get loads of applications for free too. Your profit should - I guess - come from the service(s) you offer; custom build and test, pre-installation, burn-in etc etc etc. - training - I'm sure he doesn't want to cough up for the official Canonical training, yet I can't go around teaching the guys who know more about Windows than I will probably ever do about it. Is there any training (preferably close to Manchester, but Cheshire would be better). I'm sure there will be some guys up your neck of the woods who can help - you could try your local LUGs for advice? Al -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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We do indeed sell naked computers - if the customer specifies this then we would by all means supply it. I'll do that later on today if that's ok. OK I'll talk to him about this and see what he complains about :-) hopefully he'll see that in the long run we could turn a profit. Good idea re the LUGs. I'm sure someone would be willing to give us a hand lol. I just don't want him thinking that if we swap to Ubuntu we're going to be so quiet that he doesn't need me on a Saturday... I'll mention all this to him this Saturday when I'm next in with him. Might even be asking on this list for help if I get stuck during the installation! If anyone else has any suggestions please reply as well. James On 26 May 2009, at 09:25, Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/05/09 09:04, James Milligan wrote: Let me just say that I couldn't think of a better title for this, so please improve it if you can! The shop I work in sells desktop computers that are built to order each time, meaning the OS too. We also sell laptops by ASUS but that's not really relevant at the moment. Our main thing, though, is repairing computers in general. If you can or do sell naked Computers i.e. without an OS at all, please drop a comment on our site and we'll add your business to the list. http://nakedcomputers.org/ The boss has told me that he's got 2 Ubuntu desktops to be built, and he wants me to do them. He said this because I'm pretty much the only person in the company that's knows about Ubuntu enough to install it and set it up. I feel that the time is right to suggest moving to Ubuntu as a mainstream option when people are choosing what OS to have. The only issues I can see, and what he will see, are the following: - profitability - how much do you 'charge' for Ubuntu to make it worthwhile? Also, because of the nature of Windows PCs, we get a lot of return sales because of the repairs etc. I know Ubuntu computers break, but not as often or as badly as Windows ones do. There are other firms who sell Linux based PCs and laptops. But I guess the first question is how much profit do you make on the Windows OEM license? It can't be that much... (And Ubuntu installs a damn site quicker that Windows ad you get loads of applications for free too. Your profit should - I guess - come from the service(s) you offer; custom build and test, pre-installation, burn-in etc etc etc. - training - I'm sure he doesn't want to cough up for the official Canonical training, yet I can't go around teaching the guys who know more about Windows than I will probably ever do about it. Is there any training (preferably close to Manchester, but Cheshire would be better). I'm sure there will be some guys up your neck of the woods who can help - you could try your local LUGs for advice? Al -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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James Milligan wrote: snip I hope someone can think of 'solutions' for this - I know that he'd go for Ubuntu if he could, it's just that there isn't as much profit in it. Thanks for any help! What are the name/address/phone/website for the shop? Those of us who live within visiting range could start turning up and asking about pre-installed Ubuntu. ;-) mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Haha I like it :-) Check out www.LaptopFix.co.uk if you're really interested. Come in on a Saturday if you can when I'm in - would be good to meet y'all (i'm in the Hale branch) It's a franchise thing though, so even if our shop adopted Ubuntu, the others might not. James On 26 May 2009, at 11:23, mac ammonius.grammati...@gmx.co.uk wrote: James Milligan wrote: snip I hope someone can think of 'solutions' for this - I know that he'd go for Ubuntu if he could, it's just that there isn't as much profit in it. Thanks for any help! What are the name/address/phone/website for the shop? Those of us who live within visiting range could start turning up and asking about pre-installed Ubuntu. ;-) mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Actually it's labelled as Altrincham on the website - that's the one I'm in. James On 26 May 2009, at 11:23, mac ammonius.grammati...@gmx.co.uk wrote: James Milligan wrote: snip I hope someone can think of 'solutions' for this - I know that he'd go for Ubuntu if he could, it's just that there isn't as much profit in it. Thanks for any help! What are the name/address/phone/website for the shop? Those of us who live within visiting range could start turning up and asking about pre-installed Ubuntu. ;-) mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/26/09 11:23, mac wrote: James Milligan wrote: snip I hope someone can think of 'solutions' for this - I know that he'd go for Ubuntu if he could, it's just that there isn't as much profit in it. Thanks for any help! What are the name/address/phone/website for the shop? Those of us who live within visiting range could start turning up and asking about pre-installed Ubuntu. ;-) mac Would registering interest via email, for those of us with domains we could fake a few *interests* from fake emails, help at all? I don't think it's technically illegal, as we own the domain. - -- Many thanks Harry Rickards (GPG Key ID:646ED06A) - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GAT/GCM/GCS/GCC/GIT/GM d? s: a? C UL P- L+++ E--- W+++ N o K+ w--- O- M- V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t 5 X R tv-- b+++ DI D G e* h! !r y? - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkobzLIACgkQ1kZz3mRu0GrvOACeJoHakLPhBiCkzLUv/YJ97YH4 VOoAoN30HiokCV6ktpnwWau73CcfJdSH =9iCU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Harry, Harry Rickards wrote: On 05/26/09 11:23, mac wrote: James Milligan wrote: snip I hope someone can think of 'solutions' for this - I know that he'd go for Ubuntu if he could, it's just that there isn't as much profit in it. Thanks for any help! What are the name/address/phone/website for the shop? Those of us who live within visiting range could start turning up and asking about pre-installed Ubuntu. ;-) mac Would registering interest via email, for those of us with domains we could fake a few *interests* from fake emails, help at all? I don't think it's technically illegal, as we own the domain. This sounds quite unethical and quite risky. Here's the scenario: Business receives a number of 'fake' e-mails Business thinks there is more interest than there really is. Business makes some investments based on this false level of interest. Expected income is not forthcoming. Business in trouble, James (and others) lose their jobs. Just my thought on the subject! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Is this a publicly viewable list? If so, we're all starting to look (as Ubuntu users) a bit partisan shifty. Or am I being soft? Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Yeah I'm afraid I'm with tony on that one. Thanks for the offer but it would look a bit shifty. We only usually get a couple of emails a day max. If anybody is genuinely interested and would actually buy one by all means email or phone, but I'd rather stick to proper 'offers' if you know what I mean. James On 26 May 2009, at 12:15, Tony Arnold tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk wrote: Harry, Harry Rickards wrote: On 05/26/09 11:23, mac wrote: James Milligan wrote: snip I hope someone can think of 'solutions' for this - I know that he'd go for Ubuntu if he could, it's just that there isn't as much profit in it. Thanks for any help! What are the name/address/phone/website for the shop? Those of us who live within visiting range could start turning up and asking about pre-installed Ubuntu. ;-) mac Would registering interest via email, for those of us with domains we could fake a few *interests* from fake emails, help at all? I don't think it's technically illegal, as we own the domain. This sounds quite unethical and quite risky. Here's the scenario: Business receives a number of 'fake' e-mails Business thinks there is more interest than there really is. Business makes some investments based on this false level of interest. Expected income is not forthcoming. Business in trouble, James (and others) lose their jobs. Just my thought on the subject! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: tony.arn...@manchester.ac.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Business with Ubuntu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/26/09 12:15, Tony Arnold wrote: Harry, Harry Rickards wrote: On 05/26/09 11:23, mac wrote: James Milligan wrote: snip I hope someone can think of 'solutions' for this - I know that he'd go for Ubuntu if he could, it's just that there isn't as much profit in it. Thanks for any help! What are the name/address/phone/website for the shop? Those of us who live within visiting range could start turning up and asking about pre-installed Ubuntu. ;-) mac Would registering interest via email, for those of us with domains we could fake a few *interests* from fake emails, help at all? I don't think it's technically illegal, as we own the domain. This sounds quite unethical and quite risky. Here's the scenario: Business receives a number of 'fake' e-mails Business thinks there is more interest than there really is. Business makes some investments based on this false level of interest. Expected income is not forthcoming. Business in trouble, James (and others) lose their jobs. Just my thought on the subject! Regards, Tony. Sorry, I just thought it might attract more people to Ubuntu. I'll trust your opinion on the subject, as from your signature you seem to be in quite a good position to make judgments on the subject. - -- Many thanks Harry Rickards (GPG Key ID:646ED06A) - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GAT/GCM/GCS/GCC/GIT/GM d? s: a? C UL P- L+++ E--- W+++ N o K+ w--- O- M- V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t 5 X R tv-- b+++ DI D G e* h! !r y? - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkocDfoACgkQ1kZz3mRu0Gp4EQCgi/OLCMVDWHlWCMBsSTzoIEQV Ad8An1y2zrp/ciR9rH34T7ZJ3H1WP9G/ =B8z6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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I know the location of the shop, I work round the corner from you. I'll have to call in some time. Dave On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 11:35 +0100, James Milligan wrote: Haha I like it :-) Check out www.LaptopFix.co.uk if you're really interested. Come in on a Saturday if you can when I'm in - would be good to meet y'all (i'm in the Hale branch) It's a franchise thing though, so even if our shop adopted Ubuntu, the others might not. James On 26 May 2009, at 11:23, mac ammonius.grammati...@gmx.co.uk wrote: James Milligan wrote: snip I hope someone can think of 'solutions' for this - I know that he'd go for Ubuntu if he could, it's just that there isn't as much profit in it. Thanks for any help! What are the name/address/phone/website for the shop? Those of us who live within visiting range could start turning up and asking about pre-installed Ubuntu. ;-) mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
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Haha it's a small world eh? Whereabouts you work? Remember to come in on a sat when I'm in! James On 26 May 2009, at 20:09, David Jones interdictor...@googlemail.com wrote: I know the location of the shop, I work round the corner from you. I'll have to call in some time. Dave On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 11:35 +0100, James Milligan wrote: Haha I like it :-) Check out www.LaptopFix.co.uk if you're really interested. Come in on a Saturday if you can when I'm in - would be good to meet y'all (i'm in the Hale branch) It's a franchise thing though, so even if our shop adopted Ubuntu, the others might not. James On 26 May 2009, at 11:23, mac ammonius.grammati...@gmx.co.uk wrote: James Milligan wrote: snip I hope someone can think of 'solutions' for this - I know that he'd go for Ubuntu if he could, it's just that there isn't as much profit in it. Thanks for any help! What are the name/address/phone/website for the shop? Those of us who live within visiting range could start turning up and asking about pre-installed Ubuntu. ;-) mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Business with Ubuntu
James Milligan wrote: Let me just say that I couldn't think of a better title for this, so please improve it if you can! The shop I work in sells desktop computers that are built to order each time, meaning the OS too. We also sell laptops by ASUS but that's [...] Have you considered selling dual boot computers? I know it is currently unconventional, and would give most readers here indigestion at the thought, but from my experience most 'customers' are already hooked on Windows and invariably want Windows still in place on their computers, but they ALSO want Ubuntu to give them an elegant 'escape' route. If nothing prevents then using Ubuntu such as an incompatible printer, then experience suggests they will use Ubuntu more and more with time. In a high street retail environment, the offer of 'Added Value' of dual boot would lead to a higher purchase price. If the price is too low this will seem illogical to a Windows 'Retail' customer. My guess would be an extra 50 pounds for Ubuntu dual boot, with Ubuntu configured with as many media codecs and flash, as possible. If the hardware is compatible that should take less than one hour, maybe half hour. You will then be continuing Windows support for a time, and also be in a position to support learning of Ubuntu use. You will become known locally as the escape route from Windows. I believe that the type of person who will buy a pre installed Ubuntu PC in a high street store will be happy to pay extra and be even happier that it is dual boot. You will get a fair amount of in person visits to ask this or that question - they will come to the shop and see something and buy it, when talking to you. More business. My estimate is that it will take the customers approximately two years before they want to discard Windows altogether. Meanwhile you can still offer Ubuntu only PCs to those that want them preinstalled (for the same price or a little more than Windows PCs??). You will also get a market, (perhaps online sales?), for naked PCs which you know are compatible with Ubuntu. Personally, I do not have much need for a pre installed PC, however I do have a regular (sort of) need to buy hardware that I will install into, and it is always a bit of a gamble about the hardware. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
