Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[Liam Proven]

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 22:05, Nigel Verity  wrote:

> While I am inclined to agree with a lot of Liam Proven's largely negative
linked review of Gnome 3, I think it's important to acknowledge that there
are 6 desktop environments to choose from across the "%buntu" family, which
is more than any other distro offers (as far as I'm aware).

Thank you for the comments!

But in fairness, Fedora offers 7:

https://spins.fedoraproject.org/

OpenSUSE has as many -- KDE 5, GNOME 3, Maté, Cinnamon, XFCE (my work
environment), LXDE, LXQt, Budgie, and more. OpenSUSE doesn't do separate
remixes or respins as such but third parties do:

https://geckolinux.github.io/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[Liam Proven]

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 20:05, Jim Price  wrote:

> On 30/04/18 11:47, Liam Proven wrote:

> > So I myself am looking for a way to update my 16.04 install and _not_
get
> > GNOME. I have not found one yet. I may have to do a clean install with
one
> > of the 3rd party Unity remixes.

> Another way would be to convert it to an Ubuntu MATE install, upgrade
> and then install your preferred desktop (unless that happens to be MATE,
> then you don't need to).

> I've not had to use it myself, but here's the process:

> 

> Ubuntu MATE is what I use as a base for using an alternate desktop - in
> my case Enlightenment. Ubuntu MATE seems to be well suited to this as it
> sticks to standards well and is an excellent fall-back should things go
> wrong elsewhere. I'd be using it myself now but for the Unity thing
> happening before MATE was released. I share your thought on Gnome3.

I don't want Maté, either, though. I used GNOME 2. It was all right, but it
never did vertical panels well, and it still doesn't. Nor does Cinnamon,
nor GNOME 3 with any number of extensions. LXDE and XFCE are the only
desktops that do it well.

Thanks for the suggestion, but what I seek is a way to upgrade without
getting _any_ other desktop installed...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[J Fernyhough]

On 30/04/18 21:05, Nigel Verity wrote:
> there are 6 desktop environments to choose from across the "%buntu"
> family, which is more than any other distro offers (as far as I'm aware)

Tee hee. You might check out Manjaro's offerings. ;)



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[Nigel Verity]

While I am inclined to agree with a lot of Liam Proven's largely negative 
linked review of Gnome 3, I think it's important to acknowledge that there are 
6 desktop environments to choose from across the "%buntu" family, which is more 
than any other distro offers (as far as I'm aware). They are all 
user-configurable to a greater or lesser extent - some hugely so. If you find 
one DE just doesn't float your boat, at least one of the others surely will if 
you spend a little time experimenting with all the config options.

Too much choice isn't always a good thing, though. I've been asked a number of 
times "what does Linux look like?". When I explain that there is no one 
standard "look" it actually rings alarm bells to some people who associate 
choice with complexity. Corporate environments in particular seem to prefer 
standardisation. You can get alternative theme packs for Windows, but the fact 
that you rarely encounter them tells a story.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[Jim Price]

On 30/04/18 11:47, Liam Proven wrote:


So I myself am looking for a way to update my 16.04 install and _not_ get
GNOME. I have not found one yet. I may have to do a clean install with one
of the 3rd party Unity remixes.


Another way would be to convert it to an Ubuntu MATE install, upgrade 
and then install your preferred desktop (unless that happens to be MATE, 
then you don't need to).


I've not had to use it myself, but here's the process:



Ubuntu MATE is what I use as a base for using an alternate desktop - in 
my case Enlightenment. Ubuntu MATE seems to be well suited to this as it 
sticks to standards well and is an excellent fall-back should things go 
wrong elsewhere. I'd be using it myself now but for the Unity thing 
happening before MATE was released. I share your thought on Gnome3.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[Liam Proven]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 at 20:17, Jim Price  wrote:


> Be aware that the above download for Ubuntu 18.04 is 64 bit only, so I'm
> not sure what happens if you try upgrading a 32bit install.

Upgrading a 32-bit install yields an updated 32-bit install.

You can't "upgrade" a 32-bit machine to 64-bit. You can install over the
top and it should leave the /home subtree and replace the rest, yielding a
64-bit install but with all settings etc. intact. Any additional apps would
need to be reinstalled.

> The very existence of this suggests to me that there should be enough in
> the repositories to do a 32 bit upgrade, but the problem might be that
> 16.04 uses Unity and 18.04 uses Gnome3.

There are only minimal and server install media for 32-bit x86, I believe,
but all the packages should be there and it should upgrade to a full,
working system.

But you are correct, upgrading a Unity-based install installs GNOME 3.
Unity remains present & can be chosen on the login screen but it defaults
to GNOME 3.

I am one of the many people who really dislikes GNOME 3 -- I tried to
explain why here:

https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/52807.html

So I myself am looking for a way to update my 16.04 install and _not_ get
GNOME. I have not found one yet. I may have to do a clean install with one
of the 3rd party Unity remixes.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[Jim Price]

On 27/04/18 09:39, michael wrote:


On 27/04/18 05:56, michael wrote:

On 27/04/18 05:33, michael wrote:
Try as I may, I can not get flash to work properly. (16.04) Chromium, 
cant load it, nothing happens after unpack attempt, Firefox, asks 
each time if I want to use it before activating. Streaming is jerky 
on Firefox, but good on Chromium. Any suggestions please ?


18.04, how do I get it, no update message seen, only thing I have 
seen is a report on a bug that stops 18.04 loading on to a normal 
DVD. Is 18.04 available yet, if so, how does one get it please ?


18.04 is now avalable to download. Get it here:


http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/18.04/release/

Traditional wisdom is it's better to wait 3 months until 18.04.1 is out 
before doing an upgrade as opposed to a fresh install.


Do backups, download 18.04 and make bootable media and then if the 
upgrade doesn't work for your install you are in a position to rebuild



My machine is a 32bit homebuild.


Be aware that the above download for Ubuntu 18.04 is 64 bit only, so I'm 
not sure what happens if you try upgrading a 32bit install. If you want 
32 bit 18.04 you may need to choose a different flavour e.g.


http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/18.04/release/

The very existence of this suggests to me that there should be enough in 
the repositories to do a 32 bit upgrade, but the problem might be that 
16.04 uses Unity and 18.04 uses Gnome3. Installing another desktop in 
your 16.04 install might help avoid ending up with an 18.04 you can't 
use, but there will be more knowlegable people here who can give you the 
lowdown.


As for flash, there are two packages which do what you want - you should 
only install one of them. They get updates through the standard update 
mechanism. They are:


flashplugin-installer

or

adobe-flashplugin

The first is in the multiverse repository, and the documentation says it 
works for a wide range of browsers. It downloads flash from Adobe. The 
second is in the default repositories and works for Chromium and Firefox 
here, and maybe others. The second is easiest - if that one fails try 
the first.


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[ubuntu-uk] Flash and 18.04 update

[michael]

On 27/04/18 05:56, michael wrote:

On 27/04/18 05:33, michael wrote:
Try as I may, I can not get flash to work properly. (16.04) Chromium, 
cant load it, nothing happens after unpack attempt, Firefox, asks 
each time if I want to use it before activating. Streaming is jerky 
on Firefox, but good on Chromium. Any suggestions please ?


18.04, how do I get it, no update message seen, only thing I have 
seen is a report on a bug that stops 18.04 loading on to a normal 
DVD. Is 18.04 available yet, if so, how does one get it please ?


My machine is a 32bit homebuild.








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