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I'm wondering if I can get the French channels. It says it gives you channels based on your IP address. Anybody got any idea how I can spoof an IP address to achieve this? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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gizbun wrote: I'm wondering if I can get the French channels. It says it gives you channels based on your IP address. Anybody got any idea how I can spoof an IP address to achieve this? Spoofing an IP address is phrase used to describe a specialised hacker technique that wouldn't be helpful in this instance. Instead, you could proxy your traffic through server in France. You could rent a VPS hosted in Paris, then use SSH tunnels or other proxying software to proxy all your traffic through that server. Bear in mind that (if I'm reading the documentation correctly) Zattoo checks the nationality of your IP address every time it starts. It isn't just a case of creating a nationalised login; you need to have the national IP every time you use it, so you'd have to be running the proxying stuff every time you There's an interesting analysis of Zattoo's legal status here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/02/swiss_uk_tv_ripoff/ Basically they don't have agreements with the broadcasters (BBC etc) to retransmit the channels. Instead they are relying on a loophole in the Copyright Designs Patents Act 1988 which was written to allow cable rebroadcast of TV signals to areas that couldn't get decent VHF/UHF TV reception. Zattoo's use of loophole was exposed a year ago, and the BBC et al still haven't kicked up much of a fuss, so Zattoo may be out of the woods. -- Andrew Oakley -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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ok sorry, i know the current discussion about me posting extensively is in full swing but i had to post this!!! as i havent seen anyone else do it.yet...or maybe i missed it...!!! A TV app! http://zattoo.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Javad Ayaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok sorry, i know the current discussion about me posting extensively is in full swing but i had to post this!!! as i havent seen anyone else do it.yet...or maybe i missed it...!!! A TV app! LOL, you're an addict -- and I'm not talking about TV :) If I remember correctly, Alan Pope mentioned Zattoo on his blog a week or so ago: http://popey.com/Zattoo_Player_for_Ubuntu -- it looks good, I tried it briefly but my connection speed is not really good enough :( Regarding searching the list archives, if you are not already aware, you can use a query such as site:https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/ zattoo - hope this helps :) Philip -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 10:04 +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: im only trying to help! lol this will be beneficial to my brother who is at uni and has no tv!!! I am not a lawyer, but from my interpretation of the TV license laws, he'd need a TV license to use Zattoo at Uni - in the same way he'd need one if he had a telly. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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I have my doubts regarding this Zattoo program in the UK. As I read it, once anyone receives a television program in real-time in the UK, they are liable for TV Licensing. Zattoo seems like such a program, albeit having a different transmission media (p2p over the net instead of RF transmission). One might argue that due to the fact that p2p is recorded (by the Zattoo people, apparently under license) and retransmitted, then it's okay. But I still think that this goes against the intent of the TV Licensing policy. Any thoughts? On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 10:04 +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: im only trying to help! lol this will be beneficial to my brother who is at uni and has no tv!!! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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from www.tvlicensing.co.uk What is a TV Licence needed for? To use any TV equipment such as a TV set, digital box, video or DVD recorder, computer or mobile phone to watch or record TV programmes as they are being shown on television. I'm no lawyer (engineer rather), but it doesn't mention streaming, neither does it specifically mention it as an exception. I would think that the intent of this policy was to encompass all people who would view the TV programme at the same time that it was broadcast by the TV companies. (as opposed to viewing a recording of it). Technically, streaming is a recording and rebroadcasting, but Zattoo seems to allow you to watch TV programmes close to the same time they are being broadcast (like a live telecast over the internet). Compare this to the BBC iPlayer, which only allows you to watch the programme after it has been broadcast fully on the airwaves. Just my few pence worth.. Xuan You On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 10:17 +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: classed as even! On 12/05/2008, Javad Ayaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i thought those laws didnt apply if the broadcast was cast as streaming? On 12/05/2008, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 10:04 +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: im only trying to help! lol this will be beneficial to my brother who is at uni and has no tv!!! I am not a lawyer, but from my interpretation of the TV license laws, he'd need a TV license to use Zattoo at Uni - in the same way he'd need one if he had a telly. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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im only trying to help! lol this will be beneficial to my brother who is at uni and has no tv!!! On 12/05/2008, Philip Newborough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Javad Ayaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok sorry, i know the current discussion about me posting extensively is in full swing but i had to post this!!! as i havent seen anyone else do it.yet...or maybe i missed it...!!! A TV app! LOL, you're an addict -- and I'm not talking about TV :) If I remember correctly, Alan Pope mentioned Zattoo on his blog a week or so ago: http://popey.com/Zattoo_Player_for_Ubuntu -- it looks good, I tried it briefly but my connection speed is not really good enough :( Regarding searching the list archives, if you are not already aware, you can use a query such as site:https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/ zattoo - hope this helps :) Philip -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 10:17 +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: i thought those laws didnt apply if the broadcast was cast as streaming? From the tv licensing website:- If you are watching programmes as they are being shown on TV from other services, for example Channel 4 or ITV, then you will need to be covered by a valid TV Licence. If you are watching these services at home you will be covered by your existing TV Licence. So no, the method by which you receive (broadcast vs stream) is irrelevant. It's mainly down to whether you can receive live TV. Zattoo is only a second or so behind live TV, so I would suspect that can be argued that it's live. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Javad, Javad Ayaz wrote: a laptop would come under that!!! Yep! Just run it on batteries! Tony. On 12/05/2008, *Tony Arnold* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Javad, Javad Ayaz wrote: i thought those laws didnt apply if the broadcast was cast as streaming? If you are watching a program via the internet that is being broadcast over the airwaves at the same time, then you need a separate TV license to do that. An exception is that if you are watching on a portable device (which is defined not being plugged into the mains power supply), then your main home TV license will cover this. Regards, Tony. On 12/05/2008, *Alan Pope* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 10:04 +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: im only trying to help! lol this will be beneficial to my brother who is at uni and has no tv!!! I am not a lawyer, but from my interpretation of the TV license laws, he'd need a TV license to use Zattoo at Uni - in the same way he'd need one if he had a telly. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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a laptop would come under that!!! On 12/05/2008, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Javad, Javad Ayaz wrote: i thought those laws didnt apply if the broadcast was cast as streaming? If you are watching a program via the internet that is being broadcast over the airwaves at the same time, then you need a separate TV license to do that. An exception is that if you are watching on a portable device (which is defined not being plugged into the mains power supply), then your main home TV license will cover this. Regards, Tony. On 12/05/2008, *Alan Pope* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 10:04 +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: im only trying to help! lol this will be beneficial to my brother who is at uni and has no tv!!! I am not a lawyer, but from my interpretation of the TV license laws, he'd need a TV license to use Zattoo at Uni - in the same way he'd need one if he had a telly. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Javad, Javad Ayaz wrote: i thought those laws didnt apply if the broadcast was cast as streaming? If you are watching a program via the internet that is being broadcast over the airwaves at the same time, then you need a separate TV license to do that. An exception is that if you are watching on a portable device (which is defined not being plugged into the mains power supply), then your main home TV license will cover this. Regards, Tony. On 12/05/2008, *Alan Pope* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 10:04 +0100, Javad Ayaz wrote: im only trying to help! lol this will be beneficial to my brother who is at uni and has no tv!!! I am not a lawyer, but from my interpretation of the TV license laws, he'd need a TV license to use Zattoo at Uni - in the same way he'd need one if he had a telly. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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2008/5/12 Chris Oattes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm afraid that this isn't the case: Do I need a TV Licence if I only watch programmes online? It makes no difference how you watch TV - whether it's on your laptop, PC or mobile phone or through a digital box, DVD recorder or TV set - if you use any device to receive television programmes as they're being shown on TV, the law requires you to be covered by a TV Licence. You will not need a TV Licence to view video clips on the internet, as long as what you are viewing is not being shown on TV at the same time as you are viewing it. http://tinyurl.com/6loxlw (using tinyurl because the licensing URL is huge) Chris. The key point for discussion in this case (IMO) is the phrase covered by The point Tony made was that you don't need a separate license for a portable device. I.e. if I have a license at home, and take my battery powered TV receptacle to my caravan in Skegness, I don't need ANOTHER license for the caravan, as the home one covers it. -- Steve Garton http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Chris, Chris Oattes wrote: Tony Arnold said the following on 12/05/08 11:24: Javad, Javad Ayaz wrote: a laptop would come under that!!! Yep! Just run it on batteries! Tony. I'm afraid that this isn't the case: Do I need a TV Licence if I only watch programmes online? It makes no difference how you watch TV - whether it's on your laptop, PC or mobile phone or through a digital box, DVD recorder or TV set - if you use any device to receive television programmes as they're being shown on TV, the law requires you to be covered by a TV Licence. You will not need a TV Licence to view video clips on the internet, as long as what you are viewing is not being shown on TV at the same time as you are viewing it. http://tinyurl.com/6loxlw (using tinyurl because the licensing URL is huge) I agree, but portable devices are covered by your home license and a portable device is one that does not need mains power. So a student at University could watch TV on a portable device which would be covered by his/her parents license back home. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Stephen, Stephen Garton wrote: 2008/5/12 Chris Oattes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm afraid that this isn't the case: Do I need a TV Licence if I only watch programmes online? It makes no difference how you watch TV - whether it's on your laptop, PC or mobile phone or through a digital box, DVD recorder or TV set - if you use any device to receive television programmes as they're being shown on TV, the law requires you to be covered by a TV Licence. You will not need a TV Licence to view video clips on the internet, as long as what you are viewing is not being shown on TV at the same time as you are viewing it. http://tinyurl.com/6loxlw (using tinyurl because the licensing URL is huge) Chris. The key point for discussion in this case (IMO) is the phrase covered by The point Tony made was that you don't need a separate license for a portable device. I.e. if I have a license at home, and take my battery powered TV receptacle to my caravan in Skegness, I don't need ANOTHER license for the caravan, as the home one covers it. Exactly right! This came up during the world cup when people were watching matches over the internet. I wrote to the BBC asking them for clarification and got quite a detailed response. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold,Tel: +44 (0) 161 275 6093 Head of IT Security,Fax: +44 (0) 870 136 1004 University of Manchester, Mob: +44 (0) 773 330 0039 Manchester M13 9PL. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony Arnold wrote: | If you are watching a program via the internet that is being broadcast | over the airwaves at the same time, then you need a separate TV license | to do that. | | An exception is that if you are watching on a portable device (which is | defined not being plugged into the mains power supply), then your main | home TV license will cover this. It's complicated isn't it? The first two entries in this FAQ are almost contradictory with that internal battery exemption complicated with the link from FAQ1 back to FAQ2. http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/students.jsp - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIKB+xJ+Auntu1v4QRAiNuAJ9WAjQFErGohg1wnDL8NV5GJXPiqgCdHD1n gt1Co54YOELqStZqq3QnqmE= =qi1K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Tony Arnold said the following on 12/05/08 11:24: Javad, Javad Ayaz wrote: a laptop would come under that!!! Yep! Just run it on batteries! Tony. I'm afraid that this isn't the case: Do I need a TV Licence if I only watch programmes online? It makes no difference how you watch TV - whether it's on your laptop, PC or mobile phone or through a digital box, DVD recorder or TV set - if you use any device to receive television programmes as they're being shown on TV, the law requires you to be covered by a TV Licence. You will not need a TV Licence to view video clips on the internet, as long as what you are viewing is not being shown on TV at the same time as you are viewing it. http://tinyurl.com/6loxlw (using tinyurl because the licensing URL is huge) Chris. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Tony Arnold wrote: I agree, but portable devices are covered by your home license and a portable device is one that does not need mains power. So a student at University could watch TV on a portable device which would be covered by his/her parents license back home. Correct - the important part is does not need mains power; it must contain its own batteries inside its own case. I recall from student days that a 14 portable TV with an optional 12-volt power input attached to a car battery, required the student to have their own TV licence, as the battery was not contained within the case of the device. A laptop, however, definitely does have the battery within the case, so a student living away from home could use the laptop to watch TV on their parents' TV licence, provided they never watched TV with the mains charger attached. I just tried out Zattoo myself and was very impressed. I wonder how much outbound bandwidth the peer-to-peer part consumes? -- Andrew Oakley -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Ive also used it...and found it quite cpu hungry!!! picture quality is okish.! not that great in full screen! On 12/05/2008, Andrew Oakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Arnold wrote: I agree, but portable devices are covered by your home license and a portable device is one that does not need mains power. So a student at University could watch TV on a portable device which would be covered by his/her parents license back home. Correct - the important part is does not need mains power; it must contain its own batteries inside its own case. I recall from student days that a 14 portable TV with an optional 12-volt power input attached to a car battery, required the student to have their own TV licence, as the battery was not contained within the case of the device. A laptop, however, definitely does have the battery within the case, so a student living away from home could use the laptop to watch TV on their parents' TV licence, provided they never watched TV with the mains charger attached. I just tried out Zattoo myself and was very impressed. I wonder how much outbound bandwidth the peer-to-peer part consumes? -- Andrew Oakley -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Javad Ayaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive also used it...and found it quite cpu hungry!!! picture quality is okish.! not that great in full screen! You have to remember, that the TV is broadcast in a very low resolution, unless you are watching a High Def broadcast. I have found that the best app for media and TV is MythTV, along with a dual tuner from hauupage. I have a system that runs 3x dual NOVA-T 500 tuners, along with 2gb ram and a 7600gt graphics card, and an Intel P4 HT 3.0GHz from NVidia, works perfectly. An expensive solution, without any doubt, but can be scaled down quite a lot and still pefrom well, I used to run Myth on a basic 2Ghz machine with 1Gb ram and a 128 basic NVidia graphics card, worked fine. I like this topic, it interests me quite a lot, as computers are getting plugged into TV's more and more in this day in age. Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Company No. 6135915 Registered in England And Northern Ireland -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Oakley wrote: | A laptop, however, definitely does have the battery within the case, so | a student living away from home could use the laptop to watch TV on | their parents' TV licence, provided they never watched TV with the mains | charger attached. I know this thread now well and truly belongs on a TV licensing forum ... so apologies. I think that the it has a mains supply but I don't use that I use batteries is the same argument as I have a TV but only use it for watching videos? The TV licensing website strongly suggests that you would need a license for a laptop and that you indicates that you are unlikely to be covered by your parents' license - or are they trying to bend the rules in their own favour? I haven't got a TV. I watch telly on my laptop. It makes no difference how you watch telly - whether it's on your laptop, PC or mobile phone or through a digital box, DVD recorder or good old-fashioned TV set - if you use any device to receive television programmes as they're being shown on TV, the law requires you to be covered by a licence. In exceptional circumstances you may be covered by your parents' TV Licence, but this is very rare. http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/students.jsp#link2 - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIKDB+J+Auntu1v4QRAnmZAJ43buGXjoEIhw2rrkM95tqvcNZZcgCfWccx MDX5EywsKpv1tf0x5bATdAc= =vUd5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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This is all well and good what the bbc say however as you are not recieving a transmission it would be harder for them to track surely, obviously they could track it by ip address however that would mean zattoo would need to work with them, I am not condoning or suggesting anyone breaks the law but I am curious wether or not they could track it, I do have a license and for the amount it costs wouldnt see the point in running the risk but I had to ask. I have used zattoo only on a laptop but the quality seemed ok, no worse than iplayer online. Regards, Daniel Stephen O'Neill wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Oakley wrote: | A laptop, however, definitely does have the battery within the case, so | a student living away from home could use the laptop to watch TV on | their parents' TV licence, provided they never watched TV with the mains | charger attached. I know this thread now well and truly belongs on a TV licensing forum ... so apologies. I think that the it has a mains supply but I don't use that I use batteries is the same argument as I have a TV but only use it for watching videos? The TV licensing website strongly suggests that you would need a license for a laptop and that you indicates that you are unlikely to be covered by your parents' license - or are they trying to bend the rules in their own favour? I haven't got a TV. I watch telly on my laptop. It makes no difference how you watch telly - whether it's on your laptop, PC or mobile phone or through a digital box, DVD recorder or good old-fashioned TV set - if you use any device to receive television programmes as they're being shown on TV, the law requires you to be covered by a licence. In exceptional circumstances you may be covered by your parents' TV Licence, but this is very rare. http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/students.jsp#link2 - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIKDB+J+Auntu1v4QRAnmZAJ43buGXjoEIhw2rrkM95tqvcNZZcgCfWccx MDX5EywsKpv1tf0x5bATdAc= =vUd5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Daniel, Daniel Lamb wrote: This is all well and good what the bbc say however as you are not recieving a transmission it would be harder for them to track surely, obviously they could track it by ip address however that would mean zattoo would need to work with them, I think they work by harassing addresses that do not have a license! This was my experience several years ago when I lived by myself and did not have a TV and thus no license. I was repeatedly harassed with requests along the lines of 'why do you not have a TV license?' This always annoyed me as I felt I should not have to justify the lack of a TV license, after all I didn't have to tell the police why I didn't have a gun license or the post office why I didn't have a dog license,etc. So if you live at an address which is not covered by a TV license, you can expect a visit at some time! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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snip I have found that the best app for media and TV is MythTV, along with a dual tuner from hauupage. I have a system that runs 3x dual NOVA-T 500 tuners, along with 2gb ram and a 7600gt graphics card, and an Intel P4 HT 3.0GHz from NVidia, works perfectly. An expensive solution, without any doubt, but can be scaled down quite a lot and still pefrom well, I used to run Myth on a basic 2Ghz machine with 1Gb ram and a 128 basic NVidia graphics card, worked fine. I like this topic, it interests me quite a lot, as computers are getting plugged into TV's more and more in this day in age. Right, for your information I also run MythTV on a not very special machine and video is provided by the mother board. Great quality and no complaints. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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On 12/05/2008, Javad Ayaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive also used it...and found it quite cpu hungry!!! picture quality is okish.! not that great in full screen! If your brother lives in halls he might be able to receive freeview (or better) channels through IPTV via JANET. See http://www.inuknetworks.com/uniContent.html. I'm not sure how many Universities are involved currently though. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:56:47PM +0100, Stephen O'Neill wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Oakley wrote: | A laptop, however, definitely does have the battery within the case, so | a student living away from home could use the laptop to watch TV on | their parents' TV licence, provided they never watched TV with the mains | charger attached. I think that the it has a mains supply but I don't use that I use batteries is the same argument as I have a TV but only use it for watching videos? snip On this point, we have a couple of TV's here, but they're all hooked up to games consoles/dvd players. Indeed, we rang up the TV licence people and sent them a letter (keeping copies of course) stating that we had TV's at the address but none of them receive broadcast. At our first address we had that we did this they sent a man around who tried flicking them onto various channels, then look around for any aerials or connections, found none and left. The whole iPlayer/IPTV thing is a very interesting can of worms and makes me wonder if the TV licence stuff may need rewording very soon. On another note, I'm the only person who has called the police on a TV licence man in halls. Came barging into our flat showing no ID and didn't even knock, so I rang the police and he left. Had he knocked and shown some ID it might have been different -Matt Daubney (Apologies for the offtopicness of this post) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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The whole TV Licence thing is quite bizarre, imho, but it's amazing how when it gets debated so many people stand up for it -- the BBC is such a great institution it's a small price to pay etc. etc. Most of us pay it, but the premise that because you have TV capable of receiving BBC broadcasts you should be paying for same is fairly dodgy... at £10/month or similar it's not really very good value compared to, say, Sky. I think that if they made it optional, with some sort of subscription, they'd have to drop the price or add some extras in. Perhaps package free broadband and a couple of nights in Barbados... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
