Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04? DONE!

2009-08-20 Thread Ronnie Tucker 
Finally!

I FINALLY managed to get the iPod Touch (First Generation) to work with 
Ubuntu using gtkpod.

When you add songs/albums to gtkpod everything is dandy, same when you 
transfer songs to the iPod Touch BUT after you've ejected the iPod Touch 
(in gtkpod) the songs don't show up on the iPod Touch screen. The trick 
is to hold down the HOME button on the iPod Touch to make it return to 
the main menu. Now click MUSIC (on the screen) and you'll see the 
updated songs list.

*phew*

I think my new convert is quite happy now...  :D


Ronnie Tucker wrote:
> Neil Greenwood wrote:
>   
>> 2009/8/19 Ronnie Tucker :
>>   
>> 
> Only problem now is that I can't unmount the iPod (aka: iTouch) as the
> user, I have to unmount it as root.
>
> 
>   
 Does:
   fusermount -u
 work?

   
 
>>> It said I had to be in the 'fuse' group, which I am, so I'm not sure
>>> what's wrong there...
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
>> Did you recently add yourself to this group? IIRC, changes to group
>> membership only take full effect after you log out and then back in.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Cofion/Regards,
>> Neil.
>>   
>> 
> Yep, even remembered to log out and in for it to take effect.
>
> My last hope is that gtkpod will work some magic (some how!) otherwise 
> I'm giving up  :D
>
>   

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-19 Thread Ronnie Tucker 


Neil Greenwood wrote:
> 2009/8/19 Ronnie Tucker :
>   
 Only problem now is that I can't unmount the iPod (aka: iTouch) as the
 user, I have to unmount it as root.

 
>>> Does:
>>>   fusermount -u
>>> work?
>>>
>>>   
>> It said I had to be in the 'fuse' group, which I am, so I'm not sure
>> what's wrong there...
>>
>> 
>
> Did you recently add yourself to this group? IIRC, changes to group
> membership only take full effect after you log out and then back in.
>
> HTH
>
> Cofion/Regards,
> Neil.
>   
Yep, even remembered to log out and in for it to take effect.

My last hope is that gtkpod will work some magic (some how!) otherwise 
I'm giving up  :D

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-19 Thread Neil Greenwood 
2009/8/19 Ronnie Tucker :
>
>>> Only problem now is that I can't unmount the iPod (aka: iTouch) as the
>>> user, I have to unmount it as root.
>>>
>> Does:
>>   fusermount -u
>> work?
>>
> It said I had to be in the 'fuse' group, which I am, so I'm not sure
> what's wrong there...
>

Did you recently add yourself to this group? IIRC, changes to group
membership only take full effect after you log out and then back in.

HTH

Cofion/Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-19 Thread Ronnie Tucker 

>> Only problem now is that I can't unmount the iPod (aka: iTouch) as the 
>> user, I have to unmount it as root.
>> 
> Does:
>   fusermount -u
> work?
>   
It said I had to be in the 'fuse' group, which I am, so I'm not sure 
what's wrong there...

>> it as iPod_, [then] iPod__ and keeps adding underscores each time
>> 
> It's probably because the first instance hasn't been unmounted---but even
> so, it should be giving the same device the same name.  Bug.
>   
I does that even when I sudo umount the iTouch. Reconnect it and it 
becomes iPod_ then iPod__ (etc.)

>> it seems to want the iTouch's unique ID,
>> 
>
> It should really be fetching that itself, but off the top of my head:
>   lsusb -vv | grep iSerial
> The reason is that iTunesDB files have to be signed with the ID of the
> device in question.
> Your converts' v1 iTouch/iPhone has the earlier iPhone software version and
> so won't require signed iTunesDB database files.
>   
Even using the old method of getting the ID and putting it in the 
SysInfo (of the iPod/Touch) doesn't work. Amarok still won't work with 
it. As far as Amarok is concerned, it isn't mounted (when it is, I can 
see the files on the iTouch). Even selecting the 8gb iTouch black from 
the Amarok list can't convince Amarok to connect...

I even tried (from using Google) the ipod-touch-mount (and umount) pre 
(and post) commands in Amarok but still no joy.

The new convert is impressed with Ubuntu, if I can get this iTouch 
working it'd be the icing on the cake as it's now become my personal 
mission to get the blasted thing working with Amarok!  :D

Thanks for all the help!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-17 Thread Ronnie Tucker 


Paul Sladen wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, Ronnie Tucker wrote:
>   
>> Only problem now is that I can't unmount the iPod (aka: iTouch) as the 
>> user, I have to unmount it as root.
>> 
>
> Does:
>   fusermount -u
> work?
>   
I'll give that a try on Wednesday when I next see the chap.


>> it as iPod_, [then] iPod__ and keeps adding underscores each time
>> 
>
> It's probably because the first instance hasn't been unmounted---but even
> so, it should be giving the same device the same name.  Bug.
>   
Is it a bug in iFuse? Or in Ubuntu?...


>> it seems to want the iTouch's unique ID,
>> 
>
> It should really be fetching that itself, but off the top of my head:
>   lsusb -vv | grep iSerial
>   
I thought it would grab the ID automatically, but Amarok (1.4) 
specifically said that I'd need the ID


> The reason is that iTunesDB files have to be signed with the ID of the
> device in question.
> Your converts' v1 iTouch/iPhone has the earlier iPhone software version and
> so won't require signed iTunesDB database files.
>   -Paul
> (Ideally, these items belong in the bugtracker!).
>   
After unmounting it (via root) the iTouch didn't list the songs I 
transferred to it, so I reckon it may well need the signing...

But thanks for the help, I'll post again on Wednesday with my iTouch + 
ID/Amarok results...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-17 Thread Paul Sladen 
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, Ronnie Tucker wrote:
> Only problem now is that I can't unmount the iPod (aka: iTouch) as the 
> user, I have to unmount it as root.

Does:

  fusermount -u

work?

> it as iPod_, [then] iPod__ and keeps adding underscores each time

It's probably because the first instance hasn't been unmounted---but even
so, it should be giving the same device the same name.  Bug.

> it seems to want the iTouch's unique ID,

It should really be fetching that itself, but off the top of my head:

  lsusb -vv | grep iSerial

The reason is that iTunesDB files have to be signed with the ID of the
device in question.

Your converts' v1 iTouch/iPhone has the earlier iPhone software version and
so won't require signed iTunesDB database files.

-Paul

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-17 Thread Ronnie Tucker 
Well, iFuse definitely worked! After installing iFuse the iTouch 
appeared on the desktop as an iPod.

Only problem now is that I can't unmount the iPod (aka: iTouch) as the 
user, I have to unmount it as root. Is there a way I can edit the fstab 
or something to let the user unmount it? Reason I think it's fstab is 
that when I plug the device in again it then names it as iPod_, if I 
unmount and plug it in again it names it iPod__ and keeps adding 
underscores each time it's plugged in which confuses Amarok no end...

Also, Amarok (1.4 btw) now has the 8gb iTouch (Black) in it's list of 
devices, but it seems to want the iTouch's unique ID, how do I best go 
about getting it?

Once Amarok gets the ID code (and thus disconnects properly) and the 
user can unmount the device it should work a treat and I should have my 
first Windows (Vista) > Ubuntu conversion! Yyyy!



Paul Sladen wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Ronnie Tucker wrote:
>   
>> Does Ubuntu 9.04 support the iTouch (first gen)?
>> 
>
>   
> http://matt.colyer.name/projects/iphone-linux/?title=Main_Page#Ubuntu_Intrepid.2FJaunty
>
> I'm sorry it's not more integrated, but my first generation iPhone suffered
> screen issues a while back...
>
>   -Paul
>   

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-13 Thread Jonathon Fernyhough 
2009/8/13 Rowan Berkeley :
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 at 10:48:03 Neil Greenwood
>  wrote:
>> Sun include a repository for the VirtualBox version that you can get
>> from their website. This means that you'll get updates to VirtualBox
>> when they're available - better than downloading a version from the
>> website and it getting out-of-date, especially for a non-expert user.
>> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
>> Halfway down the page it talks about the line to add to
>> /etc/apt/sources.list (I actually create a new file in
>> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox, but that's personal preference
>> really). As it recommends at the bottom of that page, install dkms
>> too, otherwise a kernel update will break VB.
>
> But DKMS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support
> - ) requires lots of skills to install and use, as I recall from having
> considered it to deal with my non-default interface driver problem.
>

Ubuntu comes with DKMS preinstalled. Drivers in the repos will take
advantage of it automatically (nvidia, fglrx, etc). VirtualBox's
drivers work with DKMS with no configuration needed on Ubuntu.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-13 Thread Alan Pope 
2009/8/13 Rowan Berkeley :
> But DKMS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support
> - ) requires lots of skills to install and use, as I recall from having
> considered it to deal with my non-default interface driver problem.
>

It doesn't for apps like VirtualBox because they come preconfigured to use it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-13 Thread Rowan Berkeley 
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 at 10:48:03 Neil Greenwood
 wrote:
> Sun include a repository for the VirtualBox version that you can get
> from their website. This means that you'll get updates to VirtualBox
> when they're available - better than downloading a version from the
> website and it getting out-of-date, especially for a non-expert user.
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
> Halfway down the page it talks about the line to add to
> /etc/apt/sources.list (I actually create a new file in
> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox, but that's personal preference
> really). As it recommends at the bottom of that page, install dkms
> too, otherwise a kernel update will break VB.

But DKMS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support
- ) requires lots of skills to install and use, as I recall from having
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-13 Thread James Milligan 
Neil Greenwood wrote:
> 2009/8/11 James Milligan :
>   
>> So you might want to stick to a VM for now, enabling USB passthrough.
>> Remember to get the download from the website rather than through
>> apt-get, so you might want to do this before you get to the computer (as
>> you said that there was no internet, IIRC - it might have been on one of
>> the forum threads I was reading though).
>> 
>
> Sun include a repository for the VirtualBox version that you can get
> from their website. This means that you'll get updates to VirtualBox
> when they're available - better than downloading a version from the
> website and it getting out-of-date, especially for a non-expert user.
>
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
>
> Halfway down the page it talks about the line to add to
> /etc/apt/sources.list (I actually create a new file in
> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox, but that's personal preference
> really). As it recommends at the bottom of that page, install dkms
> too, otherwise a kernel update will break VB.
>   
Didn't know that - I'll add that to my own computer as well - it did 
indeed seem that the last one made me have to recompile the VB kernel 
(if that makes sense)
> As others have mentioned, there are other virtualisation systems
> available, but VB seems to be easy and mostly just works!
>   
Certainly out of all of the times I've used it it seems to have worked - 
my parents think it's slow compared to a native install, but the thing 
is, the native install crashes!
>   
>> I guess if he's having issues once it's all set up, he could email the
>> list or me, probably the list though, as I'm not experienced on Linux as
>> you guys, just the VM running side of it all.
>>
>> 
>
> Always worth giving him the name of the list as a resource, even if he
> doesn't have VM problems! :-)
>
>
> Cofion/Regards,
> Neil.
>   
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-13 Thread Neil Greenwood 
2009/8/11 James Milligan :
> So you might want to stick to a VM for now, enabling USB passthrough.
> Remember to get the download from the website rather than through
> apt-get, so you might want to do this before you get to the computer (as
> you said that there was no internet, IIRC - it might have been on one of
> the forum threads I was reading though).

Sun include a repository for the VirtualBox version that you can get
from their website. This means that you'll get updates to VirtualBox
when they're available - better than downloading a version from the
website and it getting out-of-date, especially for a non-expert user.

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads

Halfway down the page it talks about the line to add to
/etc/apt/sources.list (I actually create a new file in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox, but that's personal preference
really). As it recommends at the bottom of that page, install dkms
too, otherwise a kernel update will break VB.

As others have mentioned, there are other virtualisation systems
available, but VB seems to be easy and mostly just works!

>
> I guess if he's having issues once it's all set up, he could email the
> list or me, probably the list though, as I'm not experienced on Linux as
> you guys, just the VM running side of it all.
>

Always worth giving him the name of the list as a resource, even if he
doesn't have VM problems! :-)


Cofion/Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-12 Thread Paul Sladen 
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, David Stansby wrote:
> If you have the 3.0 update then I've found this post

The iPhone 3.0 versions added a compressed version of the iTunesDB for
faster syncing, named iTunesCDB.  It is a direct analogue of the traditional
uncompressed iTunesDB and it's possible to go full circle back-and-forth
between compressed and uncompressed representations, with no loss of data
or functionality.  (Even the AES signing method was not changed).

In fact the iPhone 3.0 update was wonderful, in that it introduced proper
readlink() functionality for symlinks---previously you could see that they
were symlinks in the filesystem, just not were they pointed!

Of course, it requires a few months (six months in Ubuntu) for new code to
filter down to the distributions---but the latest code is already there,
ready and waiting.

> it's not possible to mount an iPod touch filesystem without hacking into
> the iPhone OS firmware

iTunes on Mac OS + and iTunes on MS Windows both work without doing anything
to the device firmware---and the same is true for the Linux implementations
of usbmux, Lockdown, plist and AFC necessary to mount the device on the
desktop via USB.

The wonderful thing about Free software is---that if you're even remotely
unsure about how something functions, you are given the freedom to check the
source code for the canonical answer, rather than risk accidently spreading
inaccuracies.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-12 Thread David Stansby 
Certainly none 'are required' but it's not possible to mount an iPod touch
filesystem without hacking into the iPhone OS firmware, which has dubious
legality. If you have the 3.0 update then I've found this post which isn't
to hopeful: http://ow.ly/jMmQ

2009/8/11 Paul Sladen 

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, David Stansby wrote:
> > A quick look at iTunes 8 (which is needed to sync iPod touches)
> > >> David Stansby wrote:
> > >>> If anything did work, it would have to be through windows
>
> iTunes is a utility to talk to iPhones/iTouchen;  it is not the _only_
> way---just like Microsoft Windows is not the _only_ operating system.
>
> Neither are *required*.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-12 Thread Ronnie Tucker 


Paul Sladen wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Ronnie Tucker wrote:
>   
>> Does Ubuntu 9.04 support the iTouch (first gen)?
>> 
>
>   
> http://matt.colyer.name/projects/iphone-linux/?title=Main_Page#Ubuntu_Intrepid.2FJaunty
>
> I'm sorry it's not more integrated, but my first generation iPhone suffered
> screen issues a while back...
>
>   -Paul
>   
Ah! That sounds just the very thing...

The page says that once it's mounted like a USB device I can use 
'gtkpod', but could I use Amarok instead? Either way, I'll be giving it 
a try, as Amarok is a bit more user friendly than gtkpod.  :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread Paul Sladen 
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, David Stansby wrote:
> A quick look at iTunes 8 (which is needed to sync iPod touches)
> >> David Stansby wrote:
> >>> If anything did work, it would have to be through windows

iTunes is a utility to talk to iPhones/iTouchen;  it is not the _only_
way---just like Microsoft Windows is not the _only_ operating system.

Neither are *required*.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread Paul Sladen 
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Ronnie Tucker wrote:
> Does Ubuntu 9.04 support the iTouch (first gen)?

  
http://matt.colyer.name/projects/iphone-linux/?title=Main_Page#Ubuntu_Intrepid.2FJaunty

I'm sorry it's not more integrated, but my first generation iPhone suffered
screen issues a while back...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread James Milligan 
OK no problem and good luck ;-)

Ronnie Tucker wrote:
> Thanks guys, I'll try and get his laptop from him, use my wifi, get it 
> all set up (hopefully!) then return it to him, as I'd need the internet 
> to get the Ubuntu extras for playing mp3/dvd stuff...
>
>
>
> James Milligan wrote:
>   
>> Yeah it's a shame that they didn't make it 'more' compatible with Linux 
>> (I say more, but it technically isn't, but that's for another day ;-P)
>>
>> Also, nice portraits on your website ;-)
>>
>> I haven't run it in WINE, but I'm not sure it would work anyway:
>>
>> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=16848 
>> 
>>
>> What does not work
>> sync ipod touch
>> So you might want to stick to a VM for now, enabling USB passthrough. 
>> Remember to get the download from the website rather than through 
>> apt-get, so you might want to do this before you get to the computer (as 
>> you said that there was no internet, IIRC - it might have been on one of 
>> the forum threads I was reading though).
>>
>> In terms of the VM, it generally works best if you set up a USB device 
>> filter (I've forgotten what the exact name is - something that relates 
>> to them 'all'), and plug the device in /after/ Windows has started. It 
>> should automatically pick it up then. I've found that if it's already 
>> plugged in, then it doesn't always 'connect' properly (at least with my 
>> printer anyway).
>>
>> Also, as a quick remedy if it doesn't show, it sometimes isn't 
>> automatically 'passed through' - just click Devices -> USB Devices, then 
>> check the device (should be called Apple iPod )
>>
>> I guess if he's having issues once it's all set up, he could email the 
>> list or me, probably the list though, as I'm not experienced on Linux as 
>> you guys, just the VM running side of it all.
>>
>> Just seen Dave's email come through as well, pretty much what I said at 
>> the beginning.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> Ronnie Tucker wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Thanks for the info folks.
>>>
>>> I have an iPod Classic and use Amarok 1.4.x which is awesome. Shame 
>>> Amarok won't work with the iTouch.
>>>
>>> Ok, what about running iTunes with WINE, would that work? Or must it be 
>>> a VM?
>>>
>>> I don't mind setting all these things up for the guy, but if just one 
>>> thing happens, out of the ordinary, I won't be there to fix it, he'll be 
>>> completely baffled, and I'm not too versed on VM's/iTunes myself to be 
>>> the call centre guy  :D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James Milligan wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
 Yeah the only blog posts I can see myself are from 2007:

 http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/08/10-alternatives-to-itunes-for-managing-your-ipod/
 http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/03/how-to-manage-your-ipod-using-rhythmbox-in-ubuntu/
 http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/04/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod-in-ubuntu/

 Also, on the Ubuntu Forums, there was this thread, but again ended in 
 2008, a while ago:

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=654042

 Short answer: pretty much zero support for iPod Touches/iPhones.

 Good luck ;-)

 James

 David Stansby wrote:
   
 
   
 
> Sorry, I'm afraid not. The iPod touch firmware is encrypted in such a  
> way that it is very hard to get into it in the first place. I'm not  
> aware of any way of getting any library but iTunes to work. If  
> anything did work, it would have to be through windows (and I'd be  
> delighted to hear about such methods myself)
>
> Regards,
> David
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Ronnie Tucker   
> wrote:
>
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
>> Thanks for the replies David and James. Things look hopeful then...
>>
>> Is it possible to upload mp3's to the iTouch without iTunes  
>> (RhythmBox?
>> Since it comes with Ubuntu) as my colleague readily admits that iTunes
>> is 'rubbish' and 'hate[s] it with a passion'.  :D
>>
>>
>> James Milligan wrote:
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>> Yeah I have an iPhone 3G and my Dad has an iPod Touch (I think 2nd  
>>> gen).
>>> On 9.04, we have a VM of Windows XP, the only difficulties arise when
>>> updating the firmware.
>>>
>>> I found when I updated to 3.0.1 that when it goes into Recovery Mode,
>>> and it's different 'device', VirtualBox (of course others exist)  
>>> didn't
>>> automatically pass it through.
>>>
>>> Apart from that, it's fine :-)
>>>
>>> Oh, and of course, it should work for your colleague - I'm an Ubuntu
>>> noob, so as long as he can press 'Devices, USB Devices, Device  
>>> Name' on
>>> the VB VM menu, that's the extent at which he needs to be invo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread Ronnie Tucker 
Thanks guys, I'll try and get his laptop from him, use my wifi, get it 
all set up (hopefully!) then return it to him, as I'd need the internet 
to get the Ubuntu extras for playing mp3/dvd stuff...



James Milligan wrote:
> Yeah it's a shame that they didn't make it 'more' compatible with Linux 
> (I say more, but it technically isn't, but that's for another day ;-P)
>
> Also, nice portraits on your website ;-)
>
> I haven't run it in WINE, but I'm not sure it would work anyway:
>
> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=16848 
> 
>
> What does not work
> sync ipod touch
> So you might want to stick to a VM for now, enabling USB passthrough. 
> Remember to get the download from the website rather than through 
> apt-get, so you might want to do this before you get to the computer (as 
> you said that there was no internet, IIRC - it might have been on one of 
> the forum threads I was reading though).
>
> In terms of the VM, it generally works best if you set up a USB device 
> filter (I've forgotten what the exact name is - something that relates 
> to them 'all'), and plug the device in /after/ Windows has started. It 
> should automatically pick it up then. I've found that if it's already 
> plugged in, then it doesn't always 'connect' properly (at least with my 
> printer anyway).
>
> Also, as a quick remedy if it doesn't show, it sometimes isn't 
> automatically 'passed through' - just click Devices -> USB Devices, then 
> check the device (should be called Apple iPod )
>
> I guess if he's having issues once it's all set up, he could email the 
> list or me, probably the list though, as I'm not experienced on Linux as 
> you guys, just the VM running side of it all.
>
> Just seen Dave's email come through as well, pretty much what I said at 
> the beginning.
>
> James
>
>
> Ronnie Tucker wrote:
>   
>> Thanks for the info folks.
>>
>> I have an iPod Classic and use Amarok 1.4.x which is awesome. Shame 
>> Amarok won't work with the iTouch.
>>
>> Ok, what about running iTunes with WINE, would that work? Or must it be 
>> a VM?
>>
>> I don't mind setting all these things up for the guy, but if just one 
>> thing happens, out of the ordinary, I won't be there to fix it, he'll be 
>> completely baffled, and I'm not too versed on VM's/iTunes myself to be 
>> the call centre guy  :D
>>
>>
>>
>> James Milligan wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Yeah the only blog posts I can see myself are from 2007:
>>>
>>> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/08/10-alternatives-to-itunes-for-managing-your-ipod/
>>> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/03/how-to-manage-your-ipod-using-rhythmbox-in-ubuntu/
>>> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/04/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod-in-ubuntu/
>>>
>>> Also, on the Ubuntu Forums, there was this thread, but again ended in 
>>> 2008, a while ago:
>>>
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=654042
>>>
>>> Short answer: pretty much zero support for iPod Touches/iPhones.
>>>
>>> Good luck ;-)
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> David Stansby wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
 Sorry, I'm afraid not. The iPod touch firmware is encrypted in such a  
 way that it is very hard to get into it in the first place. I'm not  
 aware of any way of getting any library but iTunes to work. If  
 anything did work, it would have to be through windows (and I'd be  
 delighted to hear about such methods myself)

 Regards,
 David

 Sent from my iPod

 On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Ronnie Tucker   
 wrote:

   
 
   
 
> Thanks for the replies David and James. Things look hopeful then...
>
> Is it possible to upload mp3's to the iTouch without iTunes  
> (RhythmBox?
> Since it comes with Ubuntu) as my colleague readily admits that iTunes
> is 'rubbish' and 'hate[s] it with a passion'.  :D
>
>
> James Milligan wrote:
> 
>   
> 
>   
>> Yeah I have an iPhone 3G and my Dad has an iPod Touch (I think 2nd  
>> gen).
>> On 9.04, we have a VM of Windows XP, the only difficulties arise when
>> updating the firmware.
>>
>> I found when I updated to 3.0.1 that when it goes into Recovery Mode,
>> and it's different 'device', VirtualBox (of course others exist)  
>> didn't
>> automatically pass it through.
>>
>> Apart from that, it's fine :-)
>>
>> Oh, and of course, it should work for your colleague - I'm an Ubuntu
>> noob, so as long as he can press 'Devices, USB Devices, Device  
>> Name' on
>> the VB VM menu, that's the extent at which he needs to be involved,
>> possibly.
>>
>> James
>>
>> David Stansby wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>> I myself have a second gen iPod touch, and I believe that you  
>>> can't do
>>> much natively in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread James Milligan 
Yeah it's a shame that they didn't make it 'more' compatible with Linux 
(I say more, but it technically isn't, but that's for another day ;-P)

Also, nice portraits on your website ;-)

I haven't run it in WINE, but I'm not sure it would work anyway:

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=16848 


What does not work
sync ipod touch
So you might want to stick to a VM for now, enabling USB passthrough. 
Remember to get the download from the website rather than through 
apt-get, so you might want to do this before you get to the computer (as 
you said that there was no internet, IIRC - it might have been on one of 
the forum threads I was reading though).

In terms of the VM, it generally works best if you set up a USB device 
filter (I've forgotten what the exact name is - something that relates 
to them 'all'), and plug the device in /after/ Windows has started. It 
should automatically pick it up then. I've found that if it's already 
plugged in, then it doesn't always 'connect' properly (at least with my 
printer anyway).

Also, as a quick remedy if it doesn't show, it sometimes isn't 
automatically 'passed through' - just click Devices -> USB Devices, then 
check the device (should be called Apple iPod )

I guess if he's having issues once it's all set up, he could email the 
list or me, probably the list though, as I'm not experienced on Linux as 
you guys, just the VM running side of it all.

Just seen Dave's email come through as well, pretty much what I said at 
the beginning.

James


Ronnie Tucker wrote:
> Thanks for the info folks.
>
> I have an iPod Classic and use Amarok 1.4.x which is awesome. Shame 
> Amarok won't work with the iTouch.
>
> Ok, what about running iTunes with WINE, would that work? Or must it be 
> a VM?
>
> I don't mind setting all these things up for the guy, but if just one 
> thing happens, out of the ordinary, I won't be there to fix it, he'll be 
> completely baffled, and I'm not too versed on VM's/iTunes myself to be 
> the call centre guy  :D
>
>
>
> James Milligan wrote:
>   
>> Yeah the only blog posts I can see myself are from 2007:
>>
>> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/08/10-alternatives-to-itunes-for-managing-your-ipod/
>> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/03/how-to-manage-your-ipod-using-rhythmbox-in-ubuntu/
>> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/04/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod-in-ubuntu/
>>
>> Also, on the Ubuntu Forums, there was this thread, but again ended in 
>> 2008, a while ago:
>>
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=654042
>>
>> Short answer: pretty much zero support for iPod Touches/iPhones.
>>
>> Good luck ;-)
>>
>> James
>>
>> David Stansby wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Sorry, I'm afraid not. The iPod touch firmware is encrypted in such a  
>>> way that it is very hard to get into it in the first place. I'm not  
>>> aware of any way of getting any library but iTunes to work. If  
>>> anything did work, it would have to be through windows (and I'd be  
>>> delighted to hear about such methods myself)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Ronnie Tucker   
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
 Thanks for the replies David and James. Things look hopeful then...

 Is it possible to upload mp3's to the iTouch without iTunes  
 (RhythmBox?
 Since it comes with Ubuntu) as my colleague readily admits that iTunes
 is 'rubbish' and 'hate[s] it with a passion'.  :D


 James Milligan wrote:
 
   
 
> Yeah I have an iPhone 3G and my Dad has an iPod Touch (I think 2nd  
> gen).
> On 9.04, we have a VM of Windows XP, the only difficulties arise when
> updating the firmware.
>
> I found when I updated to 3.0.1 that when it goes into Recovery Mode,
> and it's different 'device', VirtualBox (of course others exist)  
> didn't
> automatically pass it through.
>
> Apart from that, it's fine :-)
>
> Oh, and of course, it should work for your colleague - I'm an Ubuntu
> noob, so as long as he can press 'Devices, USB Devices, Device  
> Name' on
> the VB VM menu, that's the extent at which he needs to be involved,
> possibly.
>
> James
>
> David Stansby wrote:
>
>   
> 
>   
>> I myself have a second gen iPod touch, and I believe that you  
>> can't do
>> much natively in ubuntu without delving deep into ssh (which isn't
>> ideal for anyone) What I've had to do is set up a virtual machine  
>> with
>> windows in it, and sync my iPod touch through iTunes in windows.
>>
>> You can find out more about virtualisation on the ubuntu wiki, but  
>> in
>> my experience the process isn't too complicated and works fine for  
>> me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> David
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>

Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread David Stansby 
A quick look at iTunes 8 (which is needed to sync iPod touches) in the  
wine appdb comes up with  
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14793 
  . Unfortuantly the reporter says that syncing with iPhones doesn't  
work, so I'm also guessing that iPod touches won't either.

There is no harm in trying out yourself though, and reporting your  
findings to the above link.

Regards,
David

Sent from my iPod

On 11 Aug 2009, at 19:49, Ronnie Tucker   
wrote:

> Thanks for the info folks.
>
> I have an iPod Classic and use Amarok 1.4.x which is awesome. Shame
> Amarok won't work with the iTouch.
>
> Ok, what about running iTunes with WINE, would that work? Or must it  
> be
> a VM?
>
> I don't mind setting all these things up for the guy, but if just one
> thing happens, out of the ordinary, I won't be there to fix it,  
> he'll be
> completely baffled, and I'm not too versed on VM's/iTunes myself to be
> the call centre guy  :D
>
>
>
> James Milligan wrote:
>> Yeah the only blog posts I can see myself are from 2007:
>>
>> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/08/10-alternatives-to-itunes-for-managing-your-ipod/
>> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/03/how-to-manage-your-ipod-using-rhythmbox-in-ubuntu/
>> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/04/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod-in-ubuntu/
>>
>> Also, on the Ubuntu Forums, there was this thread, but again ended in
>> 2008, a while ago:
>>
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=654042
>>
>> Short answer: pretty much zero support for iPod Touches/iPhones.
>>
>> Good luck ;-)
>>
>> James
>>
>> David Stansby wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I'm afraid not. The iPod touch firmware is encrypted in  
>>> such a
>>> way that it is very hard to get into it in the first place. I'm not
>>> aware of any way of getting any library but iTunes to work. If
>>> anything did work, it would have to be through windows (and I'd be
>>> delighted to hear about such methods myself)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Ronnie Tucker 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Thanks for the replies David and James. Things look hopeful then...

 Is it possible to upload mp3's to the iTouch without iTunes
 (RhythmBox?
 Since it comes with Ubuntu) as my colleague readily admits that  
 iTunes
 is 'rubbish' and 'hate[s] it with a passion'.  :D


 James Milligan wrote:


> Yeah I have an iPhone 3G and my Dad has an iPod Touch (I think 2nd
> gen).
> On 9.04, we have a VM of Windows XP, the only difficulties arise  
> when
> updating the firmware.
>
> I found when I updated to 3.0.1 that when it goes into Recovery  
> Mode,
> and it's different 'device', VirtualBox (of course others exist)
> didn't
> automatically pass it through.
>
> Apart from that, it's fine :-)
>
> Oh, and of course, it should work for your colleague - I'm an  
> Ubuntu
> noob, so as long as he can press 'Devices, USB Devices, Device
> Name' on
> the VB VM menu, that's the extent at which he needs to be  
> involved,
> possibly.
>
> James
>
> David Stansby wrote:
>
>
>
>> I myself have a second gen iPod touch, and I believe that you
>> can't do
>> much natively in ubuntu without delving deep into ssh (which  
>> isn't
>> ideal for anyone) What I've had to do is set up a virtual machine
>> with
>> windows in it, and sync my iPod touch through iTunes in windows.
>>
>> You can find out more about virtualisation on the ubuntu wiki,  
>> but
>> in
>> my experience the process isn't too complicated and works fine  
>> for
>> me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> David
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On 11 Aug 2009, at 16:41, Ronnie Tucker > >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a work colleague who's fed up with Windows on his laptop
>>> (not
>>> sure of the make/model I'm afriad) and is more than willing to  
>>> give
>>> Ubuntu a shot. But... he has a first generation iTouch (not
>>> jailbroken,
>>> (jailbreaked?)) which he (obviously) wants to continue using.
>>>
>>> Does Ubuntu 9.04 support the iTouch (first gen)?
>>>
>>> He's not too computer literate so it'd have to be relatively  
>>> easy
>>> for
>>> him to set up. I could set it up for him initially but as long  
>>> as
>>> the
>>> process doesn't require internet access (how do people live  
>>> without
>>> the
>>> Internet?).
>>>
>>> Any help is much appreciated. Thanks!
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Ronnie Tucker
>>>
>>> ron...@ronnietucker.co.uk
>>> www.RonnieTucker.co.uk
>>>
>>> Fb: facebook.com/profile.php?id=585438496
>>> TWITTER: twitter.com/ronnietucker
>>> MSN: ronnietuc...@hotmail.com
>>>
>>> Registered Linux User # 456627
>

Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread Ronnie Tucker 
Thanks for the info folks.

I have an iPod Classic and use Amarok 1.4.x which is awesome. Shame 
Amarok won't work with the iTouch.

Ok, what about running iTunes with WINE, would that work? Or must it be 
a VM?

I don't mind setting all these things up for the guy, but if just one 
thing happens, out of the ordinary, I won't be there to fix it, he'll be 
completely baffled, and I'm not too versed on VM's/iTunes myself to be 
the call centre guy  :D



James Milligan wrote:
> Yeah the only blog posts I can see myself are from 2007:
>
> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/08/10-alternatives-to-itunes-for-managing-your-ipod/
> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/03/how-to-manage-your-ipod-using-rhythmbox-in-ubuntu/
> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/04/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod-in-ubuntu/
>
> Also, on the Ubuntu Forums, there was this thread, but again ended in 
> 2008, a while ago:
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=654042
>
> Short answer: pretty much zero support for iPod Touches/iPhones.
>
> Good luck ;-)
>
> James
>
> David Stansby wrote:
>   
>> Sorry, I'm afraid not. The iPod touch firmware is encrypted in such a  
>> way that it is very hard to get into it in the first place. I'm not  
>> aware of any way of getting any library but iTunes to work. If  
>> anything did work, it would have to be through windows (and I'd be  
>> delighted to hear about such methods myself)
>>
>> Regards,
>> David
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Ronnie Tucker   
>> wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> Thanks for the replies David and James. Things look hopeful then...
>>>
>>> Is it possible to upload mp3's to the iTouch without iTunes  
>>> (RhythmBox?
>>> Since it comes with Ubuntu) as my colleague readily admits that iTunes
>>> is 'rubbish' and 'hate[s] it with a passion'.  :D
>>>
>>>
>>> James Milligan wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
 Yeah I have an iPhone 3G and my Dad has an iPod Touch (I think 2nd  
 gen).
 On 9.04, we have a VM of Windows XP, the only difficulties arise when
 updating the firmware.

 I found when I updated to 3.0.1 that when it goes into Recovery Mode,
 and it's different 'device', VirtualBox (of course others exist)  
 didn't
 automatically pass it through.

 Apart from that, it's fine :-)

 Oh, and of course, it should work for your colleague - I'm an Ubuntu
 noob, so as long as he can press 'Devices, USB Devices, Device  
 Name' on
 the VB VM menu, that's the extent at which he needs to be involved,
 possibly.

 James

 David Stansby wrote:

   
 
> I myself have a second gen iPod touch, and I believe that you  
> can't do
> much natively in ubuntu without delving deep into ssh (which isn't
> ideal for anyone) What I've had to do is set up a virtual machine  
> with
> windows in it, and sync my iPod touch through iTunes in windows.
>
> You can find out more about virtualisation on the ubuntu wiki, but  
> in
> my experience the process isn't too complicated and works fine for  
> me.
>
> Regards,
> David
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 11 Aug 2009, at 16:41, Ronnie Tucker 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a work colleague who's fed up with Windows on his laptop  
>> (not
>> sure of the make/model I'm afriad) and is more than willing to give
>> Ubuntu a shot. But... he has a first generation iTouch (not
>> jailbroken,
>> (jailbreaked?)) which he (obviously) wants to continue using.
>>
>> Does Ubuntu 9.04 support the iTouch (first gen)?
>>
>> He's not too computer literate so it'd have to be relatively easy  
>> for
>> him to set up. I could set it up for him initially but as long as  
>> the
>> process doesn't require internet access (how do people live without
>> the
>> Internet?).
>>
>> Any help is much appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>> -- 
>> Ronnie Tucker
>>
>> ron...@ronnietucker.co.uk
>> www.RonnieTucker.co.uk
>>
>> Fb: facebook.com/profile.php?id=585438496
>> TWITTER: twitter.com/ronnietucker
>> MSN: ronnietuc...@hotmail.com
>>
>> Registered Linux User # 456627
>> Registered Ubuntu User # 18227
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
> 
>   
   
 
>>> -- 
>>> Ronnie Tucker
>>>
>>> ron...@ronnietucker.co.uk
>>> www.RonnieTucker.co.uk
>>>
>>> Fb: facebook.com/profile.php?id=585438496
>>> TWITTER: twitter.com/ronnietucker
>>> MSN: ronnietuc...@hotmail.com
>>>
>>> Registered Linux User # 456627
>>> Registered Ubuntu User # 18227
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/ma

Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread James Milligan 
Yeah the only blog posts I can see myself are from 2007:

http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/08/10-alternatives-to-itunes-for-managing-your-ipod/
http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/03/how-to-manage-your-ipod-using-rhythmbox-in-ubuntu/
http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/04/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod-in-ubuntu/

Also, on the Ubuntu Forums, there was this thread, but again ended in 
2008, a while ago:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=654042

Short answer: pretty much zero support for iPod Touches/iPhones.

Good luck ;-)

James

David Stansby wrote:
> Sorry, I'm afraid not. The iPod touch firmware is encrypted in such a  
> way that it is very hard to get into it in the first place. I'm not  
> aware of any way of getting any library but iTunes to work. If  
> anything did work, it would have to be through windows (and I'd be  
> delighted to hear about such methods myself)
>
> Regards,
> David
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Ronnie Tucker   
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks for the replies David and James. Things look hopeful then...
>>
>> Is it possible to upload mp3's to the iTouch without iTunes  
>> (RhythmBox?
>> Since it comes with Ubuntu) as my colleague readily admits that iTunes
>> is 'rubbish' and 'hate[s] it with a passion'.  :D
>>
>>
>> James Milligan wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah I have an iPhone 3G and my Dad has an iPod Touch (I think 2nd  
>>> gen).
>>> On 9.04, we have a VM of Windows XP, the only difficulties arise when
>>> updating the firmware.
>>>
>>> I found when I updated to 3.0.1 that when it goes into Recovery Mode,
>>> and it's different 'device', VirtualBox (of course others exist)  
>>> didn't
>>> automatically pass it through.
>>>
>>> Apart from that, it's fine :-)
>>>
>>> Oh, and of course, it should work for your colleague - I'm an Ubuntu
>>> noob, so as long as he can press 'Devices, USB Devices, Device  
>>> Name' on
>>> the VB VM menu, that's the extent at which he needs to be involved,
>>> possibly.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> David Stansby wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 I myself have a second gen iPod touch, and I believe that you  
 can't do
 much natively in ubuntu without delving deep into ssh (which isn't
 ideal for anyone) What I've had to do is set up a virtual machine  
 with
 windows in it, and sync my iPod touch through iTunes in windows.

 You can find out more about virtualisation on the ubuntu wiki, but  
 in
 my experience the process isn't too complicated and works fine for  
 me.

 Regards,
 David

 Sent from my iPod

 On 11 Aug 2009, at 16:41, Ronnie Tucker 
 wrote:



 
> Hi all,
>
> I have a work colleague who's fed up with Windows on his laptop  
> (not
> sure of the make/model I'm afriad) and is more than willing to give
> Ubuntu a shot. But... he has a first generation iTouch (not
> jailbroken,
> (jailbreaked?)) which he (obviously) wants to continue using.
>
> Does Ubuntu 9.04 support the iTouch (first gen)?
>
> He's not too computer literate so it'd have to be relatively easy  
> for
> him to set up. I could set it up for him initially but as long as  
> the
> process doesn't require internet access (how do people live without
> the
> Internet?).
>
> Any help is much appreciated. Thanks!
>
> -- 
> Ronnie Tucker
>
> ron...@ronnietucker.co.uk
> www.RonnieTucker.co.uk
>
> Fb: facebook.com/profile.php?id=585438496
> TWITTER: twitter.com/ronnietucker
> MSN: ronnietuc...@hotmail.com
>
> Registered Linux User # 456627
> Registered Ubuntu User # 18227
>
>
> -- 
> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>
>
>   
 
>>>   
>> -- 
>> Ronnie Tucker
>>
>> ron...@ronnietucker.co.uk
>> www.RonnieTucker.co.uk
>>
>> Fb: facebook.com/profile.php?id=585438496
>> TWITTER: twitter.com/ronnietucker
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread Stephen Garton 
IIRC there is a way to do it, I used to sync my iphone with amarok. From
memory, (Google will be your friend) the ubuntu package was called
ipod-convenience I think.

Apologies for top post, my phone doesn't give me any other option :-(

Steve

On Aug 11, 2009 7:08 PM, "David Stansby"  wrote:

Sorry, I'm afraid not. The iPod touch firmware is encrypted in such a
way that it is very hard to get into it in the first place. I'm not
aware of any way of getting any library but iTunes to work. If
anything did work, it would have to be through windows (and I'd be
delighted to hear about such methods myself)

Regards, David Sent from my iPod
On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Ronnie Tucker 

wrote: > Thanks for the replies David and James. Things look hopeful then...
> > Is it possible to ...
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread David Stansby 
Sorry, I'm afraid not. The iPod touch firmware is encrypted in such a  
way that it is very hard to get into it in the first place. I'm not  
aware of any way of getting any library but iTunes to work. If  
anything did work, it would have to be through windows (and I'd be  
delighted to hear about such methods myself)

Regards,
David

Sent from my iPod

On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Ronnie Tucker   
wrote:

> Thanks for the replies David and James. Things look hopeful then...
>
> Is it possible to upload mp3's to the iTouch without iTunes  
> (RhythmBox?
> Since it comes with Ubuntu) as my colleague readily admits that iTunes
> is 'rubbish' and 'hate[s] it with a passion'.  :D
>
>
> James Milligan wrote:
>> Yeah I have an iPhone 3G and my Dad has an iPod Touch (I think 2nd  
>> gen).
>> On 9.04, we have a VM of Windows XP, the only difficulties arise when
>> updating the firmware.
>>
>> I found when I updated to 3.0.1 that when it goes into Recovery Mode,
>> and it's different 'device', VirtualBox (of course others exist)  
>> didn't
>> automatically pass it through.
>>
>> Apart from that, it's fine :-)
>>
>> Oh, and of course, it should work for your colleague - I'm an Ubuntu
>> noob, so as long as he can press 'Devices, USB Devices, Device  
>> Name' on
>> the VB VM menu, that's the extent at which he needs to be involved,
>> possibly.
>>
>> James
>>
>> David Stansby wrote:
>>
>>> I myself have a second gen iPod touch, and I believe that you  
>>> can't do
>>> much natively in ubuntu without delving deep into ssh (which isn't
>>> ideal for anyone) What I've had to do is set up a virtual machine  
>>> with
>>> windows in it, and sync my iPod touch through iTunes in windows.
>>>
>>> You can find out more about virtualisation on the ubuntu wiki, but  
>>> in
>>> my experience the process isn't too complicated and works fine for  
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On 11 Aug 2009, at 16:41, Ronnie Tucker 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Hi all,

 I have a work colleague who's fed up with Windows on his laptop  
 (not
 sure of the make/model I'm afriad) and is more than willing to give
 Ubuntu a shot. But... he has a first generation iTouch (not
 jailbroken,
 (jailbreaked?)) which he (obviously) wants to continue using.

 Does Ubuntu 9.04 support the iTouch (first gen)?

 He's not too computer literate so it'd have to be relatively easy  
 for
 him to set up. I could set it up for him initially but as long as  
 the
 process doesn't require internet access (how do people live without
 the
 Internet?).

 Any help is much appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread Ronnie Tucker 
Thanks for the replies David and James. Things look hopeful then...

Is it possible to upload mp3's to the iTouch without iTunes (RhythmBox? 
Since it comes with Ubuntu) as my colleague readily admits that iTunes 
is 'rubbish' and 'hate[s] it with a passion'.  :D


James Milligan wrote:
> Yeah I have an iPhone 3G and my Dad has an iPod Touch (I think 2nd gen). 
> On 9.04, we have a VM of Windows XP, the only difficulties arise when 
> updating the firmware.
>
> I found when I updated to 3.0.1 that when it goes into Recovery Mode, 
> and it's different 'device', VirtualBox (of course others exist) didn't 
> automatically pass it through.
>
> Apart from that, it's fine :-)
>
> Oh, and of course, it should work for your colleague - I'm an Ubuntu 
> noob, so as long as he can press 'Devices, USB Devices, Device Name' on 
> the VB VM menu, that's the extent at which he needs to be involved, 
> possibly.
>
> James
>
> David Stansby wrote:
>   
>> I myself have a second gen iPod touch, and I believe that you can't do  
>> much natively in ubuntu without delving deep into ssh (which isn't  
>> ideal for anyone) What I've had to do is set up a virtual machine with  
>> windows in it, and sync my iPod touch through iTunes in windows.
>>
>> You can find out more about virtualisation on the ubuntu wiki, but in  
>> my experience the process isn't too complicated and works fine for me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> David
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On 11 Aug 2009, at 16:41, Ronnie Tucker   
>> wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a work colleague who's fed up with Windows on his laptop (not
>>> sure of the make/model I'm afriad) and is more than willing to give
>>> Ubuntu a shot. But... he has a first generation iTouch (not  
>>> jailbroken,
>>> (jailbreaked?)) which he (obviously) wants to continue using.
>>>
>>> Does Ubuntu 9.04 support the iTouch (first gen)?
>>>
>>> He's not too computer literate so it'd have to be relatively easy for
>>> him to set up. I could set it up for him initially but as long as the
>>> process doesn't require internet access (how do people live without  
>>> the
>>> Internet?).
>>>
>>> Any help is much appreciated. Thanks!
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Ronnie Tucker
>>>
>>> ron...@ronnietucker.co.uk
>>> www.RonnieTucker.co.uk
>>>
>>> Fb: facebook.com/profile.php?id=585438496
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>>>
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>>   
>> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread James Milligan 
Yeah I have an iPhone 3G and my Dad has an iPod Touch (I think 2nd gen). 
On 9.04, we have a VM of Windows XP, the only difficulties arise when 
updating the firmware.

I found when I updated to 3.0.1 that when it goes into Recovery Mode, 
and it's different 'device', VirtualBox (of course others exist) didn't 
automatically pass it through.

Apart from that, it's fine :-)

Oh, and of course, it should work for your colleague - I'm an Ubuntu 
noob, so as long as he can press 'Devices, USB Devices, Device Name' on 
the VB VM menu, that's the extent at which he needs to be involved, 
possibly.

James

David Stansby wrote:
> I myself have a second gen iPod touch, and I believe that you can't do  
> much natively in ubuntu without delving deep into ssh (which isn't  
> ideal for anyone) What I've had to do is set up a virtual machine with  
> windows in it, and sync my iPod touch through iTunes in windows.
>
> You can find out more about virtualisation on the ubuntu wiki, but in  
> my experience the process isn't too complicated and works fine for me.
>
> Regards,
> David
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 11 Aug 2009, at 16:41, Ronnie Tucker   
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a work colleague who's fed up with Windows on his laptop (not
>> sure of the make/model I'm afriad) and is more than willing to give
>> Ubuntu a shot. But... he has a first generation iTouch (not  
>> jailbroken,
>> (jailbreaked?)) which he (obviously) wants to continue using.
>>
>> Does Ubuntu 9.04 support the iTouch (first gen)?
>>
>> He's not too computer literate so it'd have to be relatively easy for
>> him to set up. I could set it up for him initially but as long as the
>> process doesn't require internet access (how do people live without  
>> the
>> Internet?).
>>
>> Any help is much appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>> -- 
>> Ronnie Tucker
>>
>> ron...@ronnietucker.co.uk
>> www.RonnieTucker.co.uk
>>
>> Fb: facebook.com/profile.php?id=585438496
>> TWITTER: twitter.com/ronnietucker
>> MSN: ronnietuc...@hotmail.com
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] First generation iTouch in 9.04?

2009-08-11 Thread David Stansby 
I myself have a second gen iPod touch, and I believe that you can't do  
much natively in ubuntu without delving deep into ssh (which isn't  
ideal for anyone) What I've had to do is set up a virtual machine with  
windows in it, and sync my iPod touch through iTunes in windows.

You can find out more about virtualisation on the ubuntu wiki, but in  
my experience the process isn't too complicated and works fine for me.

Regards,
David

Sent from my iPod

On 11 Aug 2009, at 16:41, Ronnie Tucker   
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a work colleague who's fed up with Windows on his laptop (not
> sure of the make/model I'm afriad) and is more than willing to give
> Ubuntu a shot. But... he has a first generation iTouch (not  
> jailbroken,
> (jailbreaked?)) which he (obviously) wants to continue using.
>
> Does Ubuntu 9.04 support the iTouch (first gen)?
>
> He's not too computer literate so it'd have to be relatively easy for
> him to set up. I could set it up for him initially but as long as the
> process doesn't require internet access (how do people live without  
> the
> Internet?).
>
> Any help is much appreciated. Thanks!
>
> -- 
> Ronnie Tucker
>
> ron...@ronnietucker.co.uk
> www.RonnieTucker.co.uk
>
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