Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

[John]

jakewc2 wrote:

  
  On 22/05/2009, James Milligan 
wrote:
  Wow
- great you got it working mate.

Things will be greyed out in the menus because they were for before
the extras.

My guess is that the first two installations were actually fine, it's
just that you didn't take a snapshot of it etc.

If you need any help with Windows itself you are welcome to contact me
offlist at any time. I know a lot more about it than Ubuntu, that's
for sure!


James
  
  
Hi James, thank you, I really appreciate that. I might just do that, if
I need help. 
  
John. 
  
  
  
  

Hi everybody,

sorry its been so long getting back to you with this. In the end,
Michael G. Fletcher called me, and went through the process of
partitioning my harddrive, and it now works a treat. Everything worked
fine for a while, but I have had two updates and for some reason, I'm
having problems with the videos again. Cant do much about it at the
moment through, i lent the laptop to a friend whos pc stopped working.
He is a windows person, so at the moment he's only using the windows
partition.

As soon as I get it back through I will try to find out what happened
in the update to cause the problem. 

I just wanted to say a huge thank you to Mike, for all the the help.
He's a really good guy. 

Thanks everybody.

John


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

[John]

Neil Greenwood wrote:
> 2009/5/22 John :
>   
>> I dont know what happened there, but I tooka snapshot of the VM
>> uninstalled it, then installed it again, now its working perfectly and
>> it even has extras, which I assume must be from the Guest Additions. I
>> dont have to use the right/ctrl to access the host machine, it just
>> works in and out of the VM. I can even use both LAN and Wireless.
>> 
>
> That's one of the bonuses of installing the Guest Additions.
>
>   
>> One
>> thing is strange though, in the drop down menu for the connection,
>> Network Manager it only shows the Auto Etho connection, whether I'm on
>> LAN or Wireless connection. But the Host machine does show both.
>> 
>
> That's correct, and expected behaviour.
>
> What's going on? VirtualBox emulates a load of hardware to get the
> guest working. One of the things it emulates is a network card - but
> it only emulates an ethernet card not a wireless one. It then
> 'virtually' connects that ethernet card to the host machine, which is
> how you can connect to the internet from the guest.
>
> The guest doesn't actually see the real hardware on the host machine -
> which is why you don't see the wireless card at all. I hope this makes
> sense, and clears up your confusion.
>
>   
>> That is really strange. In the Machine drop down menu a lot more things
>> are not grayed out like they were before. So not sure what happened in
>> my first couple of installations but it does seem to be working now. I'm
>> using the VM to write this.
>>
>> Thank you so much for all your help. I am learning quite a lot with all
>> your help, far more than what I was doing on the Ubuntu Forums. I just
>> have to get to grips with the Terminal now.
>>
>> John
>> 
>
> Cofion,
> Neil.
>
>   
Hi Neil,

Yes it does clear things up. Its very helpfull. I am really getting on 
with this and it seems to be quite fast too. I know I am having a 
problem with the repositories but that is a side thing. I think I might 
go VM with all my computers, even though I got on with the wubi 
installation this seems a lot better.

Thanks for your help,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

[Neil Greenwood]

2009/5/22 John :
> I dont know what happened there, but I tooka snapshot of the VM
> uninstalled it, then installed it again, now its working perfectly and
> it even has extras, which I assume must be from the Guest Additions. I
> dont have to use the right/ctrl to access the host machine, it just
> works in and out of the VM. I can even use both LAN and Wireless.

That's one of the bonuses of installing the Guest Additions.

> One
> thing is strange though, in the drop down menu for the connection,
> Network Manager it only shows the Auto Etho connection, whether I'm on
> LAN or Wireless connection. But the Host machine does show both.

That's correct, and expected behaviour.

What's going on? VirtualBox emulates a load of hardware to get the
guest working. One of the things it emulates is a network card - but
it only emulates an ethernet card not a wireless one. It then
'virtually' connects that ethernet card to the host machine, which is
how you can connect to the internet from the guest.

The guest doesn't actually see the real hardware on the host machine -
which is why you don't see the wireless card at all. I hope this makes
sense, and clears up your confusion.

> That is really strange. In the Machine drop down menu a lot more things
> are not grayed out like they were before. So not sure what happened in
> my first couple of installations but it does seem to be working now. I'm
> using the VM to write this.
>
> Thank you so much for all your help. I am learning quite a lot with all
> your help, far more than what I was doing on the Ubuntu Forums. I just
> have to get to grips with the Terminal now.
>
> John

Cofion,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

[jakewc2]

On 22/05/2009, James Milligan  wrote:
>
> Wow - great you got it working mate.
>
> Things will be greyed out in the menus because they were for before
> the extras.
>
> My guess is that the first two installations were actually fine, it's
> just that you didn't take a snapshot of it etc.
>
> If you need any help with Windows itself you are welcome to contact me
> offlist at any time. I know a lot more about it than Ubuntu, that's
> for sure!
>
>
> James



Hi James, thank you, I really appreciate that. I might just do that, if I
need help.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

[James Milligan]

Wow - great you got it working mate.

Things will be greyed out in the menus because they were for before  
the extras.

My guess is that the first two installations were actually fine, it's  
just that you didn't take a snapshot of it etc.

If you need any help with Windows itself you are welcome to contact me  
offlist at any time. I know a lot more about it than Ubuntu, that's  
for sure!

James

On 22 May 2009, at 23:01, John  wrote:

> I dont know what happened there, but I tooka snapshot of the VM
> uninstalled it, then installed it again, now its working perfectly and
> it even has extras, which I assume must be from the Guest Additions. I
> dont have to use the right/ctrl to access the host machine, it just
> works in and out of the VM. I can even use both LAN and Wireless. One
> thing is strange though, in the drop down menu for the connection,
> Network Manager it only shows the Auto Etho connection, whether I'm on
> LAN or Wireless connection. But the Host machine does show both.
>
> That is really strange. In the Machine drop down menu a lot more  
> things
> are not grayed out like they were before. So not sure what happened in
> my first couple of installations but it does seem to be working now.  
> I'm
> using the VM to write this.
>
> Thank you so much for all your help. I am learning quite a lot with  
> all
> your help, far more than what I was doing on the Ubuntu Forums. I just
> have to get to grips with the Terminal now.
>
> John
>
> James Milligan wrote:
>> Hmm well that certainly is very strange. You might be better off
>> asking on the VirtualBox forums rather than this list if it fails to
>> work again.
>>
>> James
>>
>> On 22 May 2009, at 20:39, jakewc2 > > wrote:
>>
>>> It was everything, it affected the Router. I couldnt get a
>>> connection. I think it might have been something to do with the VM
>>> Network connector. I have a feeling it changd the IP address, and I
>>> also think it might have taken over the connection itself and made  
>>> it
>>> default. I had no idea how to fix that, so I had to uninstall the VM
>>> and start again. I think its done the same thing, because its not
>>> worked again, and I had to reboot the router again, and now the VM
>>> wont connect to the internet. The host connects though. Its  
>>> something
>>> I'm doing in the initial installation. I dont know what it is  
>>> though.
>>> I couldnt get any connection at all via wireless or LAN on any
>>> computer. Going to try again.
>>>
>>> John.
>>>
>>> On 22/05/2009, *James Milligan* >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>So the VM stopped working or just the VM? If it's the VM that  
>>> lost
>>>it's connection to the Internet then that's normal because of the
>>>network drivers - just reboot it.
>>>
>>>If it was the laptop itself then I do apologise!
>>>
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

[John]

I dont know what happened there, but I tooka snapshot of the VM 
uninstalled it, then installed it again, now its working perfectly and 
it even has extras, which I assume must be from the Guest Additions. I 
dont have to use the right/ctrl to access the host machine, it just 
works in and out of the VM. I can even use both LAN and Wireless. One 
thing is strange though, in the drop down menu for the connection, 
Network Manager it only shows the Auto Etho connection, whether I'm on 
LAN or Wireless connection. But the Host machine does show both.

That is really strange. In the Machine drop down menu a lot more things 
are not grayed out like they were before. So not sure what happened in 
my first couple of installations but it does seem to be working now. I'm 
using the VM to write this.

Thank you so much for all your help. I am learning quite a lot with all 
your help, far more than what I was doing on the Ubuntu Forums. I just 
have to get to grips with the Terminal now.

John

James Milligan wrote:
> Hmm well that certainly is very strange. You might be better off 
> asking on the VirtualBox forums rather than this list if it fails to 
> work again.
>
> James
>
> On 22 May 2009, at 20:39, jakewc2  > wrote:
>
>> It was everything, it affected the Router. I couldnt get a 
>> connection. I think it might have been something to do with the VM 
>> Network connector. I have a feeling it changd the IP address, and I 
>> also think it might have taken over the connection itself and made it 
>> default. I had no idea how to fix that, so I had to uninstall the VM 
>> and start again. I think its done the same thing, because its not 
>> worked again, and I had to reboot the router again, and now the VM 
>> wont connect to the internet. The host connects though. Its something 
>> I'm doing in the initial installation. I dont know what it is though. 
>> I couldnt get any connection at all via wireless or LAN on any 
>> computer. Going to try again.
>>
>> John.
>>
>> On 22/05/2009, *James Milligan* > > wrote:
>>
>> So the VM stopped working or just the VM? If it's the VM that lost
>> it's connection to the Internet then that's normal because of the
>> network drivers - just reboot it.
>>
>> If it was the laptop itself then I do apologise!
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

[James Milligan]

Hmm well that certainly is very strange. You might be better off  
asking on the VirtualBox forums rather than this list if it fails to  
work again.


James

On 22 May 2009, at 20:39, jakewc2  wrote:

It was everything, it affected the Router. I couldnt get a  
connection. I think it might have been something to do with the VM  
Network connector. I have a feeling it changd the IP address, and I  
also think it might have taken over the connection itself and made  
it default. I had no idea how to fix that, so I had to uninstall the  
VM and start again. I think its done the same thing, because its not  
worked again, and I had to reboot the router again, and now the VM  
wont connect to the internet. The host connects though. Its  
something I'm doing in the initial installation. I dont know what it  
is though. I couldnt get any connection at all via wireless or LAN  
on any computer. Going to try again.


John.

On 22/05/2009, James Milligan  wrote:
So the VM stopped working or just the VM? If it's the VM that lost
it's connection to the Internet then that's normal because of the
network drivers - just reboot it.

If it was the laptop itself then I do apologise!


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[Sean Miller]

I can't see how a VM could do that - it ain't what they do.

Sounds to me like your router is near death...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

[jakewc2]

It was everything, it affected the Router. I couldnt get a connection. I
think it might have been something to do with the VM Network connector. I
have a feeling it changd the IP address, and I also think it might have
taken over the connection itself and made it default. I had no idea how to
fix that, so I had to uninstall the VM and start again. I think its done the
same thing, because its not worked again, and I had to reboot the router
again, and now the VM wont connect to the internet. The host connects
though. Its something I'm doing in the initial installation. I dont know
what it is though. I couldnt get any connection at all via wireless or LAN
on any computer. Going to try again.

John.

On 22/05/2009, James Milligan  wrote:
>
> So the VM stopped working or just the VM? If it's the VM that lost
> it's connection to the Internet then that's normal because of the
> network drivers - just reboot it.
>
> If it was the laptop itself then I do apologise!
>
>
> James
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

[James Milligan]

So the VM stopped working or just the VM? If it's the VM that lost  
it's connection to the Internet then that's normal because of the  
network drivers - just reboot it.

If it was the laptop itself then I do apologise!

James

On 22 May 2009, at 16:43, John  wrote:

> Bit of a disaster, after installing the extras, the laptop stopped
> working and I couldnt get a connection to the internet at all, on  
> any of
> my computers. I uninstalled the VM, because I thought it was that,  
> that
> didnt work. I wondered if it might have been the wireless card, so
> uninstalled that and reinstalled it, that didnt work, then I rebooted
> the router and that seemed to work. So I have to go through installing
> the VM again.
>
> I will try again, and see how it goes.
>
> John.
>
> James Milligan wrote:
>> Hmm it shouldn't be on your desktop -are you referring to your Ubuntu
>> dtop or the VM one?
>>
>> Open up the autorun.inf file in Notepad - it'll tell you which file  
>> is
>> meant to start up automatically (I can't for the life of me remember
>> which one it is).
>>
>> If you need any more help let me know.
>>
>> James
>>
>
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[John]

Bit of a disaster, after installing the extras, the laptop stopped 
working and I couldnt get a connection to the internet at all, on any of 
my computers. I uninstalled the VM, because I thought it was that, that 
didnt work. I wondered if it might have been the wireless card, so 
uninstalled that and reinstalled it, that didnt work, then I rebooted 
the router and that seemed to work. So I have to go through installing 
the VM again.

I will try again, and see how it goes.

John.

James Milligan wrote:
> Hmm it shouldn't be on your desktop -are you referring to your Ubuntu 
> dtop or the VM one?
>
> Open up the autorun.inf file in Notepad - it'll tell you which file is 
> meant to start up automatically (I can't for the life of me remember 
> which one it is).
>
> If you need any more help let me know.
>
> James
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[James Milligan]

Hmm it shouldn't be on your desktop -are you referring to your Ubuntu  
dtop or the VM one?


Open up the autorun.inf file in Notepad - it'll tell you which file is  
meant to start up automatically (I can't for the life of me remember  
which one it is).


If you need any more help let me know.

James

On 22 May 2009, at 14:15, jakewc2  wrote:




On 22/05/2009, James Milligan  wrote:
Go to my computer (or computer, should I say) and right click the disk
drive. Then select autoplay, and if you get two options select the
installer one rather than the folder view.

Good luck!


James


Ok, well I tried what you said and it doesnt give me an option for  
autoplay, lots of other options, but not that one. Have been looking  
round inside it and its got both 32bit and 64bit installers in  
there. Are we talking about the sdame things? The  thing I have on  
the desktop is VBoxAdditions.


John.

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[jakewc2]

On 22/05/2009, James Milligan  wrote:
>
> Go to my computer (or computer, should I say) and right click the disk
> drive. Then select autoplay, and if you get two options select the
> installer one rather than the folder view.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> James



Ok, well I tried what you said and it doesnt give me an option for autoplay,
lots of other options, but not that one. Have been looking round inside it
and its got both 32bit and 64bit installers in there. Are we talking about
the sdame things? The  thing I have on the desktop is VBoxAdditions.

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[James Milligan]

Go to my computer (or computer, should I say) and right click the disk  
drive. Then select autoplay, and if you get two options select the  
installer one rather than the folder view.

Good luck!

James

On 22 May 2009, at 12:29, John  wrote:

> James Milligan wrote:
>> You need to install the VirtualBox additions - it's in one of the
>> menus at the top of the screen whilst you're running the VM. It  
>> mounts
>> a disk inside the VM which will install all o the necessary drivers.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> James
>>
>>
> Ah, that is interesting. I have that little disc thingy on my desktop,
> but when I open it, I dont know what to install. There are quite a few
> things in there that I dont know what they are for.
>
> Plus with the other question I asked, does anybody know how I can
> transfer all the things from the wubi install to the VM install?
>
> Thank you.
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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:29 PM, John  wrote:
> Plus with the other question I asked, does anybody know how I can
> transfer all the things from the wubi install to the VM install?

FTP maybe?

Presumably the VM has its own IP address.

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[John]

James Milligan wrote:
> You need to install the VirtualBox additions - it's in one of the  
> menus at the top of the screen whilst you're running the VM. It mounts  
> a disk inside the VM which will install all o the necessary drivers.
>
> Good luck!
>
> James
>
>   
Ah, that is interesting. I have that little disc thingy on my desktop, 
but when I open it, I dont know what to install. There are quite a few 
things in there that I dont know what they are for.

Plus with the other question I asked, does anybody know how I can 
transfer all the things from the wubi install to the VM install?

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[John]

Sean Miller wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:33 PM, John  wrote:
>   
>> I managed to install the virtualbox on my laptop. I have got it to work,
>> and its updated ok. The only thing is at the moment, the size of the
>> window is really small, only about the size of a netbook. I have tried
>> everything to get it bigger, and nothing is working. Is there a way to
>> increase the size? Even if you go full screen, it only shows the small
>> window.
>> 
>
> Isn't it somewhere in the properties for the VM?  I vaguely recall
> having to do something on Virtualbox, but my Windows 7 now auto-scales
> to fit the window/screen.
>
> Sean
>
>   
I tried that, in the drop down menu, but it does nothing. Even the 
autoscale doesnt work. :(

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[James Milligan]

You need to install the VirtualBox additions - it's in one of the  
menus at the top of the screen whilst you're running the VM. It mounts  
a disk inside the VM which will install all o the necessary drivers.

Good luck!

James

On 21 May 2009, at 23:33, John  wrote:

> I managed to install the virtualbox on my laptop. I have got it to  
> work,
> and its updated ok. The only thing is at the moment, the size of the
> window is really small, only about the size of a netbook. I have tried
> everything to get it bigger, and nothing is working. Is there a way to
> increase the size? Even if you go full screen, it only shows the small
> window.
>
> Plus, what I have on the wubi install, is there any way I can transfer
> it ver to the VirtualBox, so that I dont loose anything? Or have to
> install all the repositories again.
>
> John.
>
>
>
> John.
>
> Sean Miller wrote:
>> I'm using Virtualbox, btw, to test things on Windows 7 - and very  
>> nice
>> it is too.  I think Microsoft may have finally got things right  
>> again,
>> after all the bad publicity Vista attracted.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
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On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:33 PM, John  wrote:
> I managed to install the virtualbox on my laptop. I have got it to work,
> and its updated ok. The only thing is at the moment, the size of the
> window is really small, only about the size of a netbook. I have tried
> everything to get it bigger, and nothing is working. Is there a way to
> increase the size? Even if you go full screen, it only shows the small
> window.

Isn't it somewhere in the properties for the VM?  I vaguely recall
having to do something on Virtualbox, but my Windows 7 now auto-scales
to fit the window/screen.

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[John]

I managed to install the virtualbox on my laptop. I have got it to work, 
and its updated ok. The only thing is at the moment, the size of the 
window is really small, only about the size of a netbook. I have tried 
everything to get it bigger, and nothing is working. Is there a way to 
increase the size? Even if you go full screen, it only shows the small 
window.

Plus, what I have on the wubi install, is there any way I can transfer 
it ver to the VirtualBox, so that I dont loose anything? Or have to 
install all the repositories again.

John.



John.

Sean Miller wrote:
> I'm using Virtualbox, btw, to test things on Windows 7 - and very nice
> it is too.  I think Microsoft may have finally got things right again,
> after all the bad publicity Vista attracted.
>
> Sean
>
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[John]

Neil Greenwood wrote:
> 2009/5/20 John :
>   
>> Sean Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> Virtual machine is something like Sun's Virtualbox or VMWare.
>>>
>>> Virtualbox is, imho, better for running things like Linux.
>>>
>>> Some screenshots here...
>>>
>>> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
>>>
>>> Let's say you install Virtualbox on a Vista machine.  You then go into
>>> it and say "Create Virtual Machine", tell it how much memory to give
>>> it and how much disk space.  It then effectively boots into a BIOS
>>> type screen and will say "no operating system installed", so you stick
>>> in a Ubuntu CD, try it again and it'll hopefully install the operating
>>> system.
>>>
>>> Once installed you open virtualbox, say "start virtual machine" and it
>>> starts in a window.  You can use the right-ctrl key and F together to
>>> toggle between windowed and full screen.
>>>
>>> So if, for instance, you don't want to use Vista at all you just boot
>>> into it, start the virtual machine and then do right-ctrl-F and forget
>>> Vista is even there.
>>>
>>> But if you have a decent sized resolution better, maybe, to run the
>>> Linux in a window - you should be able to cut and paste between the
>>> two as well, I believe.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> Hiya,
>>
>> that sounds really interesting. I was just wondering, is there a version
>> that will install on XP so I can run Ubuntu in that?
>> 
>
> Yep, it's multi-platform and there are binaries available for Linux,
> Windows and (if I recall correctly) Mac too.
>
> The configuration works the same on both Linux and Windows.
>
> There's a version for Ubuntu in the repositories (i.e. you can install
> it using the Synaptic package manager or the Add/Remove Programs
> option). There's a Windows installer at http://www.virtualbox.org
>
> Cofion,
> Neil.
>
>   
Thanks Neil,

I think I might give that a go on the pc, see if I can get it to work. I 
have to clean it up first. I really appreciate that. Thank you.

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[Neil Greenwood]

2009/5/20 John :
> Sean Miller wrote:
>> Virtual machine is something like Sun's Virtualbox or VMWare.
>>
>> Virtualbox is, imho, better for running things like Linux.
>>
>> Some screenshots here...
>>
>> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
>>
>> Let's say you install Virtualbox on a Vista machine.  You then go into
>> it and say "Create Virtual Machine", tell it how much memory to give
>> it and how much disk space.  It then effectively boots into a BIOS
>> type screen and will say "no operating system installed", so you stick
>> in a Ubuntu CD, try it again and it'll hopefully install the operating
>> system.
>>
>> Once installed you open virtualbox, say "start virtual machine" and it
>> starts in a window.  You can use the right-ctrl key and F together to
>> toggle between windowed and full screen.
>>
>> So if, for instance, you don't want to use Vista at all you just boot
>> into it, start the virtual machine and then do right-ctrl-F and forget
>> Vista is even there.
>>
>> But if you have a decent sized resolution better, maybe, to run the
>> Linux in a window - you should be able to cut and paste between the
>> two as well, I believe.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
> Hiya,
>
> that sounds really interesting. I was just wondering, is there a version
> that will install on XP so I can run Ubuntu in that?

Yep, it's multi-platform and there are binaries available for Linux,
Windows and (if I recall correctly) Mac too.

The configuration works the same on both Linux and Windows.

There's a version for Ubuntu in the repositories (i.e. you can install
it using the Synaptic package manager or the Add/Remove Programs
option). There's a Windows installer at http://www.virtualbox.org

Cofion,
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[John]

Sean Miller wrote:
> Virtual machine is something like Sun's Virtualbox or VMWare.
>
> Virtualbox is, imho, better for running things like Linux.
>
> Some screenshots here...
>
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
>
> Let's say you install Virtualbox on a Vista machine.  You then go into
> it and say "Create Virtual Machine", tell it how much memory to give
> it and how much disk space.  It then effectively boots into a BIOS
> type screen and will say "no operating system installed", so you stick
> in a Ubuntu CD, try it again and it'll hopefully install the operating
> system.
>
> Once installed you open virtualbox, say "start virtual machine" and it
> starts in a window.  You can use the right-ctrl key and F together to
> toggle between windowed and full screen.
>
> So if, for instance, you don't want to use Vista at all you just boot
> into it, start the virtual machine and then do right-ctrl-F and forget
> Vista is even there.
>
> But if you have a decent sized resolution better, maybe, to run the
> Linux in a window - you should be able to cut and paste between the
> two as well, I believe.
>
> Sean
>
>   
Hiya,

that sounds really interesting. I was just wondering, is there a version 
that will install on XP so I can run Ubuntu in that?

Thank you for your help.

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[Sean Miller]

I'm using Virtualbox, btw, to test things on Windows 7 - and very nice
it is too.  I think Microsoft may have finally got things right again,
after all the bad publicity Vista attracted.

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[Sean Miller]

Virtual machine is something like Sun's Virtualbox or VMWare.

Virtualbox is, imho, better for running things like Linux.

Some screenshots here...

http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots

Let's say you install Virtualbox on a Vista machine.  You then go into
it and say "Create Virtual Machine", tell it how much memory to give
it and how much disk space.  It then effectively boots into a BIOS
type screen and will say "no operating system installed", so you stick
in a Ubuntu CD, try it again and it'll hopefully install the operating
system.

Once installed you open virtualbox, say "start virtual machine" and it
starts in a window.  You can use the right-ctrl key and F together to
toggle between windowed and full screen.

So if, for instance, you don't want to use Vista at all you just boot
into it, start the virtual machine and then do right-ctrl-F and forget
Vista is even there.

But if you have a decent sized resolution better, maybe, to run the
Linux in a window - you should be able to cut and paste between the
two as well, I believe.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

[Michael Holloway]

On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 23:11 +0100, Sean Miller wrote:
> Really, John, what is the issue with just letting Ubuntu install
> itself in the normal way?
> 
> I find Wubi really annoying [if people haven't noticed already].
> 
> Don't see the need for it, apart from people who want to install it as
> an application on their Windows desktop.
> 

Actually, WUBI saved me a lot of work few days ago. Needed to install
Ubuntu on a machine with a dead CDROM, and no capabilities of Netboot or
USB boot. Worked a charm; and got the old clunker functional again. I do
mostly agree with you though... proper partitioning is the way to go!


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[Daniel Rhodes-Mumby]

On Wed, 20 May 2009 10:31:41 +0100, Sean Miller  wrote:

> I don't understand why you would have had know anything about
> partitioning, John - the Ubuntu installer will do that for you.
>
> You just tell it how much space you want to allocate to Ubuntu and it
> "steals" it out of the free space on the existing partition.
>
> I am just a subscriber to the "keep it simple" way of thinking, and
> adding an extra layer of complication (as Wubi does) seems to have no
> great advantage.
>
> Don't get me wrong!  The Wubi developers can probably feel very
> pleased with themselves that they've done it, it's an achievement, but
> quite why they bothered I don't know.  They could have been creating
> something that actually had a use, other than to install the same
> Ubuntu in a different place.
>
> I have tried Wubi about 4 times on this laptop and others and every
> time it's been an absolute disaster, so I guess I'm jaded.  Some
> systems clearly like it and others do not.
>
> Sean
>

I had to use a Wubi install last night as my father's computer's DVD drive is 
failing and I was too tired at the time to mess about doing anything else.
The use-case scenarios might be limited in number, but they do exist.

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[John]

Sean Miller wrote:
> Another option, of course, is to run a "proper non-Wubifried" version
> of Ubuntu in a virtual machine - just let it use the whole virtual
> disk.  Then you can have Windows and Linux running together at the
> same time, which can be useful.
>
> Sean
>
>   
Ok, that is an option I could try, the only thing is I dont even know 
what a virtual machine is, or how to set one up. It sounds interesting 
though. I like the idea of running both windows and Ubuntu at the same 
time.

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[John]

Sean Miller wrote:
> I don't understand why you would have had know anything about
> partitioning, John - the Ubuntu installer will do that for you.
>
> You just tell it how much space you want to allocate to Ubuntu and it
> "steals" it out of the free space on the existing partition.
>
> I am just a subscriber to the "keep it simple" way of thinking, and
> adding an extra layer of complication (as Wubi does) seems to have no
> great advantage.
>
> Don't get me wrong!  The Wubi developers can probably feel very
> pleased with themselves that they've done it, it's an achievement, but
> quite why they bothered I don't know.  They could have been creating
> something that actually had a use, other than to install the same
> Ubuntu in a different place.
>
> I have tried Wubi about 4 times on this laptop and others and every
> time it's been an absolute disaster, so I guess I'm jaded.  Some
> systems clearly like it and others do not.
>
> Sean
>
>   
I had a disaster on this machine with the partition, and the update just 
before 9.04. It just crashed everytime I got to the log on page. I tried 
to install the 9.04 over the top, and instead of it doing that, I ended 
up with 3 partitions. I had to reformat the hard drive in the end. I'm 
running Wubi on two machines now, plus the to from other people and its 
running really smoothly. The one I just installed that started this 
thread, is even better than my own machines, so I have different 
experience.

I wish I could run it via a partition, I am finding it really 
frustrating, but I just am not experienced enough.

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[John]

Matthew Daubney wrote:
>>   
>> Hi Neil,
>>
>> Sorry I took so long to answer your message. I lost it in all the e-mail 
>> things I have. I have 3 Ubuntu and 2 windows. Gets confusing now and again.
>>
>> No its not the same pc. Its a friends. It seems that Wubi only wants to 
>> install the amd version, I have tried to install it again on another pc 
>> and that is the version it installed again, even though it is on a a 32 
>> bit machine, so thats 2 separate machines that tried to install the 
>> wrong version, kind of odd.
>>
>> Sorry again,
>>
>> John.
>> 
>
> Hi John,
>
> Are those machines core 2 duo machines? If so then they support 64bit
> and Wubi would use the 64bit if available (it queries the chip itself to
> ask if it has 64bit support)
>
> Reading through the FAQ on the Wubi site
> (http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php) 
>
> "
> Why is the AMD64 version of Ubuntu getting downloaded and installed?
> You probably have a 64 bit machine, the 64AMD installation is
> appropriate for all 64 bit architectures whether AMD or Intel.
>
>
> Can I force Wubi to download and install a 32 bit version of Ubuntu?
> Yes, either pre-download the appropriate 32 bit ISO manually and place
> it in the same folder as Wubi.exe or start Wubi with the "--32bit"
> argument."
>
> So you can force Wubi to download the 32bit version by going start ->
> run then browsing to where you downloaded wubi and then putting --32bit
> outside of the speechmarks. Or you can download the 32bit cd image
> yourself and place it in the same directory as wubi.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> -Matt Daubney
>
>
>
>   
My PC is dual core, my laptop no, at least I dont think so, maybe that 
explains it. If it is dual core that could explain why it was dwnloading 
the 64bit version.

I did see that about the forcing of the 32 bit install, but I didnt 
understand what it was talking about. :( It is useful information though 
for anybody else who has the same problem. When I first installed it, it 
worked perfectly, but then I found I had problems installing stuff. Not 
very good with change, I've just learned how to use it this way.

Thank you so much for the info though, I really appreciate the help.

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[Sean Miller]

Another option, of course, is to run a "proper non-Wubifried" version
of Ubuntu in a virtual machine - just let it use the whole virtual
disk.  Then you can have Windows and Linux running together at the
same time, which can be useful.

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[Sean Miller]

I don't understand why you would have had know anything about
partitioning, John - the Ubuntu installer will do that for you.

You just tell it how much space you want to allocate to Ubuntu and it
"steals" it out of the free space on the existing partition.

I am just a subscriber to the "keep it simple" way of thinking, and
adding an extra layer of complication (as Wubi does) seems to have no
great advantage.

Don't get me wrong!  The Wubi developers can probably feel very
pleased with themselves that they've done it, it's an achievement, but
quite why they bothered I don't know.  They could have been creating
something that actually had a use, other than to install the same
Ubuntu in a different place.

I have tried Wubi about 4 times on this laptop and others and every
time it's been an absolute disaster, so I guess I'm jaded.  Some
systems clearly like it and others do not.

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[Matthew Daubney]

>   
> Hi Neil,
> 
> Sorry I took so long to answer your message. I lost it in all the e-mail 
> things I have. I have 3 Ubuntu and 2 windows. Gets confusing now and again.
> 
> No its not the same pc. Its a friends. It seems that Wubi only wants to 
> install the amd version, I have tried to install it again on another pc 
> and that is the version it installed again, even though it is on a a 32 
> bit machine, so thats 2 separate machines that tried to install the 
> wrong version, kind of odd.
> 
> Sorry again,
> 
> John.

Hi John,

Are those machines core 2 duo machines? If so then they support 64bit
and Wubi would use the 64bit if available (it queries the chip itself to
ask if it has 64bit support)

Reading through the FAQ on the Wubi site
(http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php) 

"
Why is the AMD64 version of Ubuntu getting downloaded and installed?
You probably have a 64 bit machine, the 64AMD installation is
appropriate for all 64 bit architectures whether AMD or Intel.


Can I force Wubi to download and install a 32 bit version of Ubuntu?
Yes, either pre-download the appropriate 32 bit ISO manually and place
it in the same folder as Wubi.exe or start Wubi with the "--32bit"
argument."

So you can force Wubi to download the 32bit version by going start ->
run then browsing to where you downloaded wubi and then putting --32bit
outside of the speechmarks. Or you can download the 32bit cd image
yourself and place it in the same directory as wubi.

Hope that helps,

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[John]

Sean Miller wrote:
> Really, John, what is the issue with just letting Ubuntu install
> itself in the normal way?
>
> I find Wubi really annoying [if people haven't noticed already].
>
> Don't see the need for it, apart from people who want to install it as
> an application on their Windows desktop.
>
> Sean
>
>   
Oh and another thing, I forgot to mention, I have managed to get two 
peopel to try Ubuntu, using Wubi, and it installed, once I found out 
about the disc, really well, they are both trying it and seem to be 
getting on with it too. I wouldnt have been able to do that if I had had 
to partition. Which would have meant they wouldnt have been able to try 
Ubuntu.

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[John]

Sean Miller wrote:
> Really, John, what is the issue with just letting Ubuntu install
> itself in the normal way?
>
> I find Wubi really annoying [if people haven't noticed already].
>
> Don't see the need for it, apart from people who want to install it as
> an application on their Windows desktop.
>
> Sean
>
>   
Well, one, I am not good enough to partition my computer, have messed it 
up quite a few times, just cant get my head around it. Two, if the 
installation doesnt go well, via the partition, I have no idea how to 
fix it, as i just am not good enough with Linux to be able to do that. 
Three, Wubi is really easy to work with, install it on windows and it runs.

I have a really crappy laptop which I'm using now. I have had no end of 
problems with partitioning with Ubuntu. I had I think it was Ubuntu 8.01 
installed, worked ok, but it doesnt like desktop effects, it just wont 
work with them, so when 8.04 came, it just woulddnt work full stop, then 
I managed to reformat the hard drive, and installed windows and Ubuntu 
through Wubi and installed 9.04 and it works a dream, it just installed 
what was needed and I havent had any problems with it. I hardly use 
anything else now.

I did the same thing on my PC, but its much better, and Wubi installed 
everything and its working really well, but that installed the amd 
version, which is how I remembered about it. That was the first Ubuntu 
installation I worked with. Its updated perfectly from 8.01 right to 
9.04. So, I cannot complain. It might seem the easy way out, but if you 
are not Linux savvy, its perfect. Its helped me to learn. And if 
something really bad happens I just delete it, and start again, cant do 
that very well with a partition.

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[Sean Miller]

Really, John, what is the issue with just letting Ubuntu install
itself in the normal way?

I find Wubi really annoying [if people haven't noticed already].

Don't see the need for it, apart from people who want to install it as
an application on their Windows desktop.

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[John]

Neil Greenwood wrote:
> 2009/5/17 John :
>   
>> Hi, I got it fixed. I was using the Wubi.exe installer from the website,
>> and it was downloading the wrong version. Now that you have asked the
>> question, I am not sure. I know it wasnt the i386 version. Once you got
>> past the initial install, it said it was installing the other version. I
>> had actually installed it once, and couldnt use the deb installer, which
>> is how I came to first realise, then I uninstalled it, then redownloaded
>> the installer, then tried again, and that was when I saw what it was
>> downloading. I could not get the i386 installer, even though the machine
>> I was using is a 32bit machine it was downloading the 64bit version. I
>> think there might be something wrong with the wubi.exe installer on the
>> wubi site.
>>
>> I eventually found out that you can install it via the disk. I didnt
>> realise first of all that it would show if you didnt restart the laptop,
>> just insert the disc and let it run. Once I found that it worked, and
>> now I have the right version, and its working. Its also updated really
>> well too, plus I have the right software sources updated and installed.
>> I am having a few problems with flash stuff, and I know the flash player
>> is installed, but its very slow. Which is strange as its quite a fast
>> machine. I was very impressed with the way it works on a vista machine
>> though, which is a surprise. I know its not the best way to have Ubuntu
>> installed, but for a beginner who is not good with partitioning, its a
>> very good way to get used to Ubuntu.
>>
>> Sorry if that sounds a bit waffly. I hope you can understand what I'm
>> saying.
>> 
>
> Hwyl John,
>
> Is this the same machine where you were having problems before? If it
> was trying to run 64-bit code on a 32-bit machine, that would
> certainly explain some of what you were seeing!
>
> Glad it's working now. Not sure why flash is so slow. I've not really
> run wubi (I tried it for 30 minutes a couple of releases ago), so
> maybe someone else can say if this is normal...
>
> Cofion,
> Neil.
>
>   
Hi Neil,

Sorry I took so long to answer your message. I lost it in all the e-mail 
things I have. I have 3 Ubuntu and 2 windows. Gets confusing now and again.

No its not the same pc. Its a friends. It seems that Wubi only wants to 
install the amd version, I have tried to install it again on another pc 
and that is the version it installed again, even though it is on a a 32 
bit machine, so thats 2 separate machines that tried to install the 
wrong version, kind of odd.

Sorry again,

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[Neil Greenwood]

2009/5/17 John :
> Hi, I got it fixed. I was using the Wubi.exe installer from the website,
> and it was downloading the wrong version. Now that you have asked the
> question, I am not sure. I know it wasnt the i386 version. Once you got
> past the initial install, it said it was installing the other version. I
> had actually installed it once, and couldnt use the deb installer, which
> is how I came to first realise, then I uninstalled it, then redownloaded
> the installer, then tried again, and that was when I saw what it was
> downloading. I could not get the i386 installer, even though the machine
> I was using is a 32bit machine it was downloading the 64bit version. I
> think there might be something wrong with the wubi.exe installer on the
> wubi site.
>
> I eventually found out that you can install it via the disk. I didnt
> realise first of all that it would show if you didnt restart the laptop,
> just insert the disc and let it run. Once I found that it worked, and
> now I have the right version, and its working. Its also updated really
> well too, plus I have the right software sources updated and installed.
> I am having a few problems with flash stuff, and I know the flash player
> is installed, but its very slow. Which is strange as its quite a fast
> machine. I was very impressed with the way it works on a vista machine
> though, which is a surprise. I know its not the best way to have Ubuntu
> installed, but for a beginner who is not good with partitioning, its a
> very good way to get used to Ubuntu.
>
> Sorry if that sounds a bit waffly. I hope you can understand what I'm
> saying.

Hwyl John,

Is this the same machine where you were having problems before? If it
was trying to run 64-bit code on a 32-bit machine, that would
certainly explain some of what you were seeing!

Glad it's working now. Not sure why flash is so slow. I've not really
run wubi (I tried it for 30 minutes a couple of releases ago), so
maybe someone else can say if this is normal...

Cofion,
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[John]

Hi, I got it fixed. I was using the Wubi.exe installer from the website, 
and it was downloading the wrong version. Now that you have asked the 
question, I am not sure. I know it wasnt the i386 version. Once you got 
past the initial install, it said it was installing the other version. I 
had actually installed it once, and couldnt use the deb installer, which 
is how I came to first realise, then I uninstalled it, then redownloaded 
the installer, then tried again, and that was when I saw what it was 
downloading. I could not get the i386 installer, even though the machine 
I was using is a 32bit machine it was downloading the 64bit version. I 
think there might be something wrong with the wubi.exe installer on the 
wubi site.

I eventually found out that you can install it via the disk. I didnt 
realise first of all that it would show if you didnt restart the laptop, 
just insert the disc and let it run. Once I found that it worked, and 
now I have the right version, and its working. Its also updated really 
well too, plus I have the right software sources updated and installed. 
I am having a few problems with flash stuff, and I know the flash player 
is installed, but its very slow. Which is strange as its quite a fast 
machine. I was very impressed with the way it works on a vista machine 
though, which is a surprise. I know its not the best way to have Ubuntu 
installed, but for a beginner who is not good with partitioning, its a 
very good way to get used to Ubuntu.

Sorry if that sounds a bit waffly. I hope you can understand what I'm 
saying.

John.

Harry Rickards wrote:
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>> John wrote:
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>>> I am trying to install Ubuntu 9.04 on a vista machine. I got to the 
>>> install bit, and it showed that it was installing amd68 not i386. 
>>>   
>> Where did you see that and how are you trying to install WUBI? (I have 
>> the same setup and didn't see any message about this at all)
>>
>>
>> 
> Are you sure it didn't say amd64, not amd68?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

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On 05/17/09 08:06, Gordon wrote:
> John wrote:
>> I am trying to install Ubuntu 9.04 on a vista machine. I got to the 
>> install bit, and it showed that it was installing amd68 not i386. 
> 
> Where did you see that and how are you trying to install WUBI? (I have 
> the same setup and didn't see any message about this at all)
> 
> 
Are you sure it didn't say amd64, not amd68?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu using wubi on Vista Home machine.....

[Gordon]

John wrote:
> I am trying to install Ubuntu 9.04 on a vista machine. I got to the 
> install bit, and it showed that it was installing amd68 not i386. 

Where did you see that and how are you trying to install WUBI? (I have 
the same setup and didn't see any message about this at all)


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