[Ugnet] CHANGE OF ADDRESS
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[Ugnet] UNITED LABANGCET
UNITED LABANG CET!!! Van nistel Roy Labang joni!! Rooney labang bangu!!! WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE VICTORS WILL GUN 'AM STILL!Fynda en begagnad bil. Leta här ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
[Ugnet] The INSTITUTION OF RWOT-MOO EQUALS LAND AND PEOPLE.
The INSTITUTION OF RWOT-MOO EQUALS LAND AND PEOPLE. UNITY = TRUTHFULESS + JUSTICE (Law and order) + COMMITTMENT . COMPLIANCE WITH DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES . PRACTICE (( Whereby democratic principals equals equality,freedom,liberty..etc)) AKTUNG!!! Do not attempt to disproove extra-logical formuli. Alas, so was it time again. Once more for the hundredth time again, moreover! Another parody in labyrinth extravagansa Another storm cloud on the make up Yes, another problem takes cover Under the carpet another one stoops On the horizon twilight dawns Oh Lord, what another commotion in its honor For retreat strategists Exercise but yet another rethorical for the gallery For on the stars solution shines. AMEN! Stranger things have always happened, they say. So let it be this time around also. Take for example the so called "RWODI-MOO" in Acoli or their counterparts in troubled parts of Uganda. If it were not in Uganda, a labyrinth situation like that in Acoli would have seen glimpses of light rays long a time ago. But, Uganda is Uganda. In Uganda we do things our own big ways. O.K., the whole world of humans know that there are many different KINDS and TYPES of democracies.In Uganda, and especially in Northern Uganda, the mode is trouble triggering.One solves or resolves a situation by triggering another problem. You must always trouble trouble, so to say. In Uganda we do not care that troubled Trouble will always trouble Trouble. If we are all troubles, that is.((Thank youin advance for not understanding!!)) Firstly, a little some lesson in Acoli. The institution of RWOT-moo translates as the institution of traditional leadership. "Naturally" (assuming that Their Imperial burgers are God given), this is headed by the Chieftaincy or Kingdom clown just as in any other parts of Uganda. Difference is, the Rwodi-moo in Acoli lack all phenomena akin to a Chieftain. Question is, should " Disney REGENTS" of the sort still be confered the confidence, glory, respect and trust as commonly accorded to Royal institutions? Well, today I am on a logic stance so I will exonerate myself from such questions. Lets put it like this: My garnd mother Essejja thought me one equation: LAND + PEOPLE = KAKA.(( That calls for another lesson in Acoli: Kaka=TRIBE))She said that situation is as intrinsic as it embryonic. My Kwara modified it thus: The institution of The RWOTMOO = LAND . THE PEOPLE.(i.e., Land multiplied by the people). I guess he wanted to make it one and the same. Stubbon as usual, Momma countered with another trigger of problem ripples: UNITY = TRUTHFULESS + JUSTICE (Law and order) + COMMITTMENT . COMPLIANCE WITH DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES . PRACTICE I reckond you know how Kwara countered.At those stages I usually took cover. Plus or minus here and there; multiplication there, to what avail?! Me, I know PLUS times PLUS is PLUS. And MINUS times MINUS is PLUSS still. So why the heck boggles over one and the same?! In Acoli, we have RWODIMOO without LAND. CONSEQUENTLY, NO PEOPLE EITHER. A King without a land is a King without people, therefore a King without subjects. IN SHORT, he is not a KING. ((Please be warned, "...I am not a politikcian. So I willo comopletely and aboosolutely and otherwise aloso allow no points of informationo and, absolutely no questions. I do not like disrespectful bullies. Why ask questions to disrupt my strategy? No way, no rights; no obligations.Square, business done!")) Present ripples of distress in Acoli is triggered by prevalent Land propriety regulations. Some people call it "LAND GRABB). We shall get back to that because this issue is as huge as it is deep.And, we can not separate it from Rwodi-moo and, THE BIGGEST IMPACT OF THE WHOLE, ACOLI UNITY. Unity is the most threatened. Lord, the way I would love to think it is NOT STRATEGICAL TARGETING(a coincidence, so to say). Lets save it for last. Talking about RWODI-moo, LAND and PEOPLE, in the good old days of RWODI-moo,the RWOT'S chief concern was that his people welbeing; that no son of the is thing from another territory grabbed an inch of his LAND. He ensured that no one adventures with his domain. He was the father of the land.That one is absolutely, and completely and otherwise also, DIVINE. If for certain twisted reasons, the land (areal) no longer sufficed, it was his obligation to "ACQUIRE" (by grabb raids or otherwise)an anex. My Maa told me too, that REGENTS ALWAYS DID "ACQUIRE" the territories and loyalty of the rightful owners of the land. She always told me (when ever I stubbonly refused to eat): ".if you want to be a KING, just grabb itthey all did grabb it at the beginning" She passed away long time ago. Would she were here. I would have asked her what variety of RWODI-moo we now have in Acoli. A Rwot with no LAND and no PEOPLE is a RWOT IN EXILE!!If a Rwot is in exile is he still a Rwot? If so, why should he then be REINSTATED? Do we reinstate "actualities"? ((caution!! Do not attempt the exra-logics. No food for the mi
[Ugnet] MEAN PRECIPITATOR HAVOCS AGAIN
MEAN PRECIPITATOR HAVOCS AGAIN!!! The Fa..hm BOLTON ravages without restrain. Football lovers, keep these names in memo: BOLTON, BLACKBURN and FULHAM. There have you the burgers never to trust and absolutely, never to underestimate. One moment they play so lousy football that they don't even qualify for novice league, only to turn around the next moment to frustrate Mean Gunner Machine itself!!! Last time around it was the Fugerson bunches from Manchester(!) to taste the bitter stuff. This time around and without same, the Mite of North London itself! Doug, next time you see the fu'n Bolton vs an impossible, fully guard the tips. Did you see the ODDS?!? Impossible, is the word! BUT, WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE Gunners gun'am ciao noc'lVeckans Pollenprognos hittar du nu på MSN Väder Klicka här ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
RE: [Ugnet] WHO CONTROLS UPC
The UPC is a legal entity, is it not? That used to mean that it has some kind of "strukturell-funktionalistiskt" setup (engl.structural functionalism?!) regulated by some form of statute,does it still apply? Wambuga, I can see you are not UPC.You are "Obal-UPC" or "UPC-abacabac"! You sem to belong to the kind who categorically shut the people down each time they want to be elucidated or ask questions after the leader has spoken. That is "UPC-rwot-ineka". In those days when UPC was UPC, people were free-minded. Then it was for the people by the people.Then UPCs do nat say, " ah the leader has already spoken...why waste people's timeyou shut up, Chief has already said it is fine...etc" That said, what is your answer to the question "WHO CONTROLS UPC"?! Soon it is twenty years or so since the last UPC reign in Uganda, and, life goes on. Bwana Gody, now you even bewilder me more. I hear, "..but first you educate me on why UPC still seems to enjoy the trust of people in the whole of Uganda Including Luwero!" You Apwoyo, how do you determine that? How do you arrive at that "SEEMS"? Yoga noc'l > Best rgds noc'l >From: B Wambuga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [Ugnet] WHO CONTROLS UPC >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 03:05:47 -0700 (PDT) > >Commrades, >Let me put simply that people are looking too far away for the legenedary "Axe" on their shoulders. >They should remember just one thing, the name "UGANDA PEOPLES' CONGRESS". >This name is no resistance fight because there is nothing to resist. A resistance like some would want us to beleive is only valid if you are continuosly resisting against yourself and flip flopping about waht you are all about. Twenty some odd years and you are still trying to invent yourself. But is besides the point. > >The "People" are of Ugandans. Then the "Congress" means the congregation of all Ugandans. All but to identify and eliminate the social, economic, cultural, or whatever cancer is detering the community. EVERYBODY!!! >WOULD SOMEBODY DEMAND FOR MORE WOULD ANYBODY, ET ALL??? >NOW that is UPC. > >Thanks, >Bwabuga. >- > > > > >gook makanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Chief Noc. > >I am more than willing tyo educate you on anything, but first you educate me on why UPC still seems to enjoy the trust of people in the whole of Uganda Including Luwero! > >Rgds > > >Ch > > >Gook > >"Rang guthe agithi marapu!" A karamonjong word of wisdom > > > > >Original Message Follows >From: NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [Ugnet] WHO CONTROLS UPC >Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:02:23 + > >___ >Ugandanet mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet >% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > >- >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >Bwana Goddy, > >You are knowledge! Could you educate me again on HOW the UPC is controlled by the peasants, sons and daughters of Uganda > > > >living in the hamlets dotted all over the valleys and hills of > > > >Uganda. > >Thanks in advanced > >noc'l > > > > > >From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: [Ugnet] WHO CONTROLS UPC > >Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:47:49 + > > > > > > > > > > > >Bwanika, > >UPC is controlled by the peasants, sons and daughters of Uganda > >living in the hamlets dotted all over the valleys and hills of > >Uganda. That is why UPC is still alive and kicking after more than > >20 years of being abused and demonized by non Ugandans and some of > >their Ugandan collaborators! > > > >UPC is an Institution not some silly monolithic one mad mans show > >like the NRM! > > > >rgds > >gook > > > >Original Message Follows > >From: d b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: [Ugnet] WHO CONTROLS UPC > >Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 03:47:44 +0100 > > > > > >Now w
RE: [Ugnet] WHO CONTROLS UPC
Bwana Goddy, You are knowledge! Could you educate me again on HOW the UPC is controlled by the peasants, sons and daughters of Uganda >living in the hamlets dotted all over the valleys and hills of >Uganda. Thanks in advanced noc'l >From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [Ugnet] WHO CONTROLS UPC >Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:47:49 + > > > > > >Bwanika, >UPC is controlled by the peasants, sons and daughters of Uganda >living in the hamlets dotted all over the valleys and hills of >Uganda. That is why UPC is still alive and kicking after more than >20 years of being abused and demonized by non Ugandans and some of >their Ugandan collaborators! > >UPC is an Institution not some silly monolithic one mad mans show >like the NRM! > >rgds >gook > >Original Message Follows >From: d b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Ugnet] WHO CONTROLS UPC >Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 03:47:44 +0100 > > >Now we can see - people in UPC who have been silenced for some time >emerging again - there is a reason. And the sequence of events >explains who controls Uganda. > >Has UPC been taken over by forces controling URA and trying to >mudsling Julia Ssebutinde - Ugandans must watch out we are moving >towards a vicious dictactorship. Worse than may be UPC is said to >be. > > >who controls UPC and why? > > >Bwanika. > > > >Bwanika > > >http://www.idr.co.ug >--> for your consultancy needs > >http://p201.ezboard.com/fugandamanufacturersassociationfrm1 > >--- >Spela poker mot verkliga människor över Internet. Över 40 000 >spelare online >http://www.multipoker.com > > > > >___ >Ugandanet mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet >% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM >http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >_ >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > >___ >Ugandanet mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet >% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM >http://www.infocom.co.ug/ MSN Mobil: Spara tid - fyll på ditt kontantkort här! ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
RE: [Ugnet] test
Clear!!! noc'l >From: Kiggundu Mukasa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Ugnet] test >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:39:47 +0300 > >test test test > >___ >Ugandanet mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet Hitta rätt i webbdjungeln med MSN Sök. Klicka här ___ Ugandanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
Re: ugnet_: RE: [Ugandacom] INVESTIGATE POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATIONS
Nej, min vän Gook slingra sig! Men så lätt ger jag mig icke! No Simone, there are a lot deeper things than those. We have all heard numerios claims of "STRINGS ATTACHED" to the LRA. We ahve all heard of the bad old days of Lakwena. When she was lured to advance ti Jinja, many PROMINENCES or should we say "hypos" were pushed in to join Lakwena after Tororo with the hope that when all is said and done they would transpire the only ruler Capables. You don't tell me you have forgotten Prof. Issac Ojok, Eteker Ejalu, Otai Peter & co?!?!? If those claims were true, trained people like in prevalent cases are the perfect target for sinister contrivers. Did he believe in the crazy religion of the Vampires? If not why was he with them? >From: Simon Nume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ugnet_: RE: [Ugandacom] INVESTIGATE POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATIONS >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:47:58 -0700 (PDT) > > >Maybe the investigation should be like this; > >WHEN did they join LRA >HAVE they ever met Kony >WHERE have they been staying in the last 2 years. >CAN they name 3 other people in LRA ? > >Somehow I suspect that these are all 'new' recruits to LRA. > >Nume > >gook makanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Noc, > >Why religion? And while you are at it, why not go the whole hog? Invistaget his tribe, his mothers religion, his uncles wives,how many dogs he has, how many he had for the past fifty years! Whom has he ever associated with and why? > >How many children and who these children have associated with, their wives,and pets! How many orgasims he has ever had in his life and why > >Say what i mean my good friend?..... > > > > > >Gook > >"Rang guthe agithi marapu!" A karamonjong word of wisdom > > > > >Original Message Follows >From: NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Ugandacom] INVESTIGATE POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATIONS >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:27:24 + > ><< text1.html >> > > > > >- >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com Veckans Pollenprognos hittar du nu på MSN Väder. Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: INVESTIGATE POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATIONS
Nguny cet pe ming: Nguny cet is part of the body. Your body included. It plays a very vital role in keeping you alife. Did you not know?! You do not care for our people that are why. To hell with your crocodile tears! Perhaps your party has strings attached?! Be sure when all is said and done, all who inflicted atrocity on us and all party burgers who knew what was going on but resorted to indifference and sufferance, shall have their sinister contrivance demystified. We want to prosper like in Lango and the rest of Uganda. Acoli commonality define "mingo" differently. . >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: INVESTIGATE POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATIONS >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:11:26 -0400 > > >Loni dang mink wai Nguny Cet!!! > > >Matek > > >In a message dated 7/22/2004 10:27:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >* > > > >Compatriots, > > > > > > > >Brig Banya and the other returnee LRA commanders should be thoroughly investigated from other aspects as well in order to establish their genuine motive. For example, their Political party affiliation ( or former affiliation), religion, former association etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There could be channel the long echoed VESTED-INTEREST > >bonds to certain Political Parties and influential persons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Did they believe in that twisted version of the "Christian faith"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How did they react / relate to that Satanic "HIGH PRIEST" of the LRA who figures a lot on their videos? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If they did not believe in him, what motive did they have to torture Acoli for 18 doggy years? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Or are we seeing a recurrence of the Lakwena tragedy. It is rumoured that when Lakwena was lured to the corridor to Jinja certain Party strategists like Etek Ejjalu, Otai Peter, Isaac Ojok joined with the hope that when all is said and done, they would be the only "Capables". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Was Banya that sort? > > > > > > > >OBSERVE: I am talking about investigation. Not to have them murdered!!! > > > > > > > >noc'l > > > >* > > > >Hitta rätt i webbdjungeln med MSN Sök. Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug MSN Shopping: Lägre priser, kortare köer, alltid öppet Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: INVESTIGATE POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATIONS
Compatriots, Brig Banya and the other returnee LRA commanders should be thoroughly investigated from other aspects as well in order to establish their genuine motive. For example, their Political party affiliation ( or former affiliation), religion, former association etc. There could be channel the long echoed VESTED-INTEREST bonds to certain Political Parties and influential persons. Did they believe in that twisted version of the "Christian faith"? How did they react / relate to that Satanic "HIGH PRIEST" of the LRA who figures a lot on their videos? If they did not believe in him, what motive did they have to torture Acoli for 18 doggy years? Or are we seeing a recurrence of the Lakwena tragedy. It is rumoured that when Lakwena was lured to the corridor to Jinja certain Party strategists like Etek Ejjalu, Otai Peter, Isaac Ojok joined with the hope that when all is said and done, they would be the only "Capables". Was Banya that sort? OBSERVE: I am talking about investigation. Not to have them murdered!!! noc'lHitta rätt i webbdjungeln med MSN Sök. Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: RE: [AcoliForum] Power is no longer with Kony but Otti - Brig Banya
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? WHAT ARE THEY DOING? >From: Towny James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [AcoliForum] Power is no longer with Kony but Otti - Brig Banya >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:30:22 +0100 (BST) > > >Kony hands over power to Vincent Otti > >By Ali Mao and Pelegrine Otonga >Lords Resistance Army (LRA) rebel leader Joseph Kony transferred power to his deputy, Vincent Otti, in April. > >Captured former LRA adviser, training officer and a member of the high command, Brig. Kenneth Banya, told listeners during a live radio talk show Dwog paco on Radio Wa FM in Lira on Monday, that the LRA had been weakened. > >He said Konys transfer of power followed the surrender of dozens of LRA commanders to the UPDF over a period of two months. > >Kony ordered Otti to leave Sudan with all but 50 LRA fighters, who would stay with him in Nisitu, where he is being hosted by some Sudanese army commanders with whom he has had links for a long time, Banya said. >Ends > >Published on: Thursday, 22nd July, 2004 > > > >Develop north, Nsibambi tells ex-rebels > >BORN AGAIN? Former rebel commanders listen to Nsibambi at Gulu 4th Division headquarters > >By Vision Reporters > >PRIME minister Prof Apolo Nsibambi has urged former rebels to engage in productive economic ventures as their contribution to the development of the war-ravaged northern region. > >Nsibambi, who was flanked by minister Amama Mbabazi (defence), Maria Mutagabwa (water) and the Christine Aporu (disaster preparedness), was addressing 74 former LRA commanders led by Brig. Kenneth Banya at the Gulu 4th Division barracks yesterday. > >Your duties are to start working in the production of food and I am happy its raining now, Nsibambi said. > >He also asked them to persuade other rebels still in the bush to come out and join them in building Uganda. > >I send you greetings from his Excellency. I am happy you have come back from insurgency and you have been well treated by the UPDF, Nsibambi said. > >He said many lives and property have been lost and destroyed due to the insurgency. > >Nsibambi, who was received at Gulu airport by the state ministers for security and northern Uganda Rehabilitation Programme, Betty Akech and Grace Akello, told the former rebels to help the UPDF to bring to an end the 18-year long war, which he said had delayed many government projects in the region. > >I trust that shortly, this area will be absolutely peaceful and we pray that the almighty bless you, the Prime minister told the ex-rebels. >He said there was need for the former rebels to acquire different skills so as to contribute to the development of Uganda. > >Published on: Thursday, 22nd July, 2004 > > > >RDC kneels for Museveni, asks for third term >STAY LONGER: Museveni > >By Eddie Ssejjoba > >KALANGALA resident district commissioner (RDC) Livingstone Katenda Luutu stunned the public when he knelt down in mud before President Yoweri Museveni begging him to stand again for another term. > >He also begged him to discuss the federalism issue with the Bataka (elders) of Buganda instead of listening to politicians who might have selfish interests. > >The incident happened on Monday at Bwendero in Bujjumba sub-county, Kalangala islands, where Museveni launched the oil palm growing project implemented by among others BIDCO. > >Kalangala LC5 chairman Daniel Kikoola invited Luutu to address the gathering, but after holding the microphone, Luutu, clad in a black suit knelt down in mud to the amazement of everybody. > >He told the president that he had been directed by the bataka to express their views to him. > >Published on: Thursday, 22nd July, 2004 > > > > >News briefs > >Lt. appointed >GULU President Yoweri Museveni has appointed Lt. Col. Francis Acoka Ongom, the UPDF commander in charge of security and protection of all internally displaced persons camps in the district, state minister of northern Uganda rehabilitation said. Grace Akello was on Sunday addressing a security meeting in te-tugu koro Laparanat IDP camp in Koro sub-county, Omoro county. > >Mutale calls >kampala Maj. Kakooza Mutale has called Uganda Law Society (ULS) president Moses Adriko to meet him over the alleged illegal court set up by Mutale. Adriko, who was blocked from attending the court and meeting Mutale on Monday, has, however, said Mutale should formally invite the ULS instead of calling on a telephone to fix an impromptu meeting. Adriko said Mutale could also explain to the Chief Justice how their court works. > > > >Rastoon >A kenyan teenager, Mburu, 19, has married Nyanginda Gicharu, 71 and Mburu says no amount of pressure will make him return to school > > > >Published on: Thursday, 22nd July, 2004 > > > > > > > >"It is better to be hated for what you are, than to be loved for what you are not - the oppressed shall prevail." > > >--
ugnet_: "blood density democracy & co
Kamrater, jag har fått't så dä 'ba stinker av't!! Stryck, alltså. Jag fick det så jag bara teg! Det är tydligent det priset man betalar för att eftersträva demokratiskt förordningar och rättvisan därav. Dessa Satans feudala vampyrrövslicker typer med dess fördunklade demokrati perspektivet!! Compatriots, I was only telling my mates how much I love all of us democratic humans. My gratitude ( in advance, moreover) for extending to me a helping hand so even I can understand the rational behind those pests called DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM, LIBERTY, ACCOUNTABILITY & RESPONSIBILITY, PEACE, LOVE and above all, JUSTICE. Once again deficit as transpired. Subsequent controversy and obscurity amids Brigadier Banya surrender / capture or whatever, clearly demystifies "BLOOD DENSITY DEMOCRACY" (rd.demagogue mobb democracy / anarchy). In essence, the Brigadier Banya case is no sensation. What is sensational is the way folk who have always hollered "DEMOCRACY and JUSTICE" suddently make a about-turn. I personally think it is wrong for people to demand pardon / impunity etc., even before the man is tried in a democratic and fair court of justice. If he should be pardoned or acquited, should that not be after his has been tried in court?!?!? Our concern should on the contrary, be TO ENSURE THAT THE GUY IS TRIED IN A FREE AND FAIR DEMOCRATIC COURT OF JUSTICE. I both realise and consider of course, that our dilema may be just that: THE LEGAL INSTITUION, the jurdiciary may not be well structured enough to guarantee a fair trial in cases of this magnitude. My fear is that they may be easily dysfunctional. I keeping thinking if this kind of schenario would have surfaced HAD THE LRA GENUINELY COMMITED TO AND COMPLIED WITH the peace resolution efforts. Like I was saying, would any of you be kind enough to extend a helping hand to account for those rogue terms ( DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM, LIBERTY, ACCOUNTABILITY & RESPONSIBILITY, PEACE, LOVE and above all, JUSTICE)?? OK., we are aware of course, that there are many different kinds and types of democracies. I am particularly intrested in emphasis amids the obsecure PRE-REQUISITES for their accomplishment / success. Like the forces which maintain our world on track, I believe in Devine democratic rules (institutions). Yet, this subsequnt week, I got a whole hell of scourges for not understanding the realm and rational of contemporary Ugandan fashion: "BLOOD DENSITY JUSTICE". A best mate in Örebro once introduced the phenomenon to me. He said, "in a true democracy, at the moment of truth, BLOOD IS THICKER THAN WATER." To date, his notion of democracy is still opegue to me. I keep asking myself whether this "blood is thicker than water" stuff is at it's micro or macro exposure. I keep wishing that it is indeed, at macro stance. At least I hope so, for democracy's sake! A dilema we are paying for now is that those rules have always been put out of play.Contemporary Ugandan generations are not democracy in the marrows. If ever we should accomplish a genuine state of democracy; a generation Uganda in whom democracy is obvious or if ever we should ensure (safeguard our democracy) that no single individual or entity shall ever take our country for selfish ride, then we must play along Devine rules of the game. Otherwise, this kind of situation will always recurr. Another dilema is that no generation wants to be the first in this kind of circumstances. Had these rules already been customary and obvious norms, there would not be any controversy about a clear cut case as this. Human development should be our biggest challange for the coming decades. Which generation will sacrifice to be the gong-gong generation for "democracy in the marrow " Ugandan?Veckans Pollenprognos hittar du nu på MSN Väder. Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Captured LRA man was Museveni escort
HIM OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BWTTER THE VALUE OF LIFE SINCE HE WAS TRAINED TO PROTECT LIFE. HE should be tried in court for killing my people and decimating the tribe Such a well trained escort officer, not abducted, MUST STAND PUNITIVE MEASURES In his capacity, he can not be allowed to elude justice >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Captured LRA man was Museveni escort >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:54:24 +0100 (BST) > >Gook, >You really hit the nail on the head!. >These tricks reach a plateau and start >like all others to suffer from User Fatigue!. >That is exactly where Uganda is today. >Being 70 years and thus Mu7's senior in >Age will come handy since Mu7 does not >want Ugandans to blame him for annihilating/killing >a 70 year old man who is after all in the evening >of his life. >Kipenji. > >gook makanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Kipenji, > >Or he could have been the Link man (Btwn NRAand LRA) all these years? > > >Gook > >"Rang guthe agithi marapu!" A karamonjong word of wisdom > > > > >Original Message Follows >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Captured LRA man was Museveni escort >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:03:45 +0100 (BST) > >Just because he is 70 years old and used to be Mu7's >escort!. >Kipenji. > >Simon Nume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Netters > >WHY is Banya confindent that Museveni will pardon him ? > >Nume > > > > >Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Captured LRA man was Museveni escort >By Alex B. Atuhaire & Grace Matsiko >July 15, 2004 > >HOW IS THE SITUATION? Gen Charles Wald from the US with Kolker (top left) and Army Commander Lt Gen Aronda Nyakairima (top right) in Gulu yesterday. Wald led a delegation to assess the security situation in the North. Below is Brig Kenneth Banya (Photo by James Akena) >KAMPALA The captured LRA Commander, Br ig. Kenneth Banya, was an escort to Yoweri Museveni in the early 1980s. Brig. Banya captured on Tuesday by the UPDF at Atiak, 60km North of Gulu, escorted Museveni when he was Defence Minister in the Military Commission government chaired by late Paul Muwanga. > >Museveni is a very nice man. He is frank. He does not hide his feelings, Banya said of his former boss (Museveni) in an interview with The Monitor in Gulu yesterday. Banya, 70, was a member of the LRA High Command and military advisor to LRAs chief Joseph Kony. > >A US delegation led by the countrys ambassador, Jimmy Kolker, met Banya. >The captive is a former Uganda National liberation Army (UNLA) soldier trained in Russia and Israel. In 1977 he fled the country for Tanzania where he trained at Munduli, returning to Uganda as an officer cadet. >He was sent to Museveni as one of the guards. > >Banya who has been on the list of wanted top LRA Commanders said he expected Museveni to pardon him . > > > >© 2004 The Monitor Publications > > > >- >ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself > >- >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > >- >ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself > > > >- >MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug > >- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself Hitta rätt i webbdjungeln med MSN Sök. Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: FW: [Ugandacom] GODS DIE?!
>From: NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Ugandacom] GODS DIE?! >Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:19:48 + > MSN Mobil: Spara tid - fyll på ditt kontantkort här! --- Begin Message --- Who did tell you that GODS DIE?! Those ancient ones in Athens are wide awake!! Those of Athens, be they Gods "The Demi" or "God of Gods" or "Gods of Football", are digging the raptures AND JAZZING TO THE THRILL. Gone are the days of LOGICs. So are the good old days of Ugandan football of Nssereko, Ayub, Otti, Mobiru Tank, Omondi, Tom Lwanga, Obua Denis, Peter Okee, Paddy Okech, Ddybiya, Masajjage, Kitamurike, Ebalu and many many many more!! Bye-bye logics!! Football logic is ball in the net behind the coal keeper!! At least in football, the Daudi is Goliat and the Goliat is Daudi. Coming from Uganda, we do know the Devil and the Sait is one and the same and, LOGIC is what you want it to be. So let it be, Amen. But in Greekland, when the boys go in to make advertisment for their Grand Pa's creation (organised public tournaments) aka OLYMPICS, all the Gods are awake and the boys are THORNED TO THEIR TEETH. I know you have never seen thorned teeth. Just be good and "just accept". For, when the Greeks make propaganda for their Olympics anniversary, only the impossibles are possible. In Acoli those aldermen used to say,."LUBANGA PE BWOTO MERE ATA" meaning: God never leaves his own without heiritage (spl?!). Even you, he has spilt for you some "akili" to shine with when the going gets rough. I hope one day, football and sports will be re introduced in Uganda so our own can shine and start to "Ninja-run" instead of "nima-nima-nima" like elephants with butts like for carring water a top of Elgon. That is not running. When you run, you "Ninja- do it". These Impossible ones. It took a Greek to ninja beat the American impossible beauties of athletics. May the best of the day win on Sunday. "Kun coo; kun coo" Okuto del Coli Bli hopplöst sommarförälskad! Flörta här Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ugandacom/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --- End Message ---
ugnet_: WHEN GOAL MOVES GOAL
Morrys dong ilollo ki wangi wayo!? Whenever sons of men and women to play for their GOAL (Greek advertisment for forth coming Olympics: portraying GREECE as astrong motherland of sports including football), they surrmount their own beings. They make the otherwise anticipated "IMPOSSIBLE" (DEFEATING THE HEIRS OF FRANCO in football)come true. THEY MAKE THE IMPOSSIBLE GOAL!!! "Mary Eliza, MAY THE DAUDI vs GOLIAT saga revisits today when DAUDI (Sweden) faces GOLIAT(Holland/Netherlands)amen!" Portend displayed by Patrick Kluivert, Frank de BOER, Edgar Davids & co's body language is badder than bad. It is baad, bad news "But strange things have happend; stranger things have happened; the strangest things have always happened BEFORE. So let is be..., Amen!" We all did see how Sweden refused to offer the other cheek to be assulted. Unfortunately, we could not move the Vatican to Vadstena. Rejuvinate! Noc'la gaumoy del coliMSN Shopping: Lägre priser, kortare köer, alltid öppet Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: WARNING!! AKTUNG!!
WARNING!! AKTUNG!! It is back.They are back...FOOTBALL IS BACK!! They took away football, hey?! Well, I tell you what; Their Elegancies The Artists of acrobatic football entertainment are bringing it back!! It is football. It is in the air tickling so. Mina Damer och Herrer ladies and gentle men, allow me the discourtesy to express apprehensions: On the "ORANGE" skin (HOLLAND) NO LONGER GROWS HAIR!!! Their Elegancies Ruud van Nistelrooy, Davids,Seedorf, Frank de Boer and Patrick Kluvert himself are, but THORNED!!! May our own HENKE, SLATAN and LUNBERG be warned. Appropå Varning, tell Duke Wayne of Football to hold on with the banquette dispite the magic name (From John Wayne to Wayne Gretsky to Duke Wayne of football). MSN Mobil: Spara tid - fyll på ditt kontantkort här! This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: TESTING, TESTING..TRANSUNIVERSE!!!
TESTING, TESTING..TRANSUNIVERSE!!! 5-0!!! "Hello the world, do you hear me?" "AM I TALKING TO FOOTBALL...?" "Hello the world are we around?" Don't ask me who is football. Football is football and FOOTBALL IS BACK! BLÅ-GUL is footballSWEDEN IS FOOTBALL..HENKE, FREDDIE AND ZLATAN ARE THE KINGS OF KINGS!! They tried to assasinate football. England, Italy, France and Russia did try to liquidate the ART, GRACE AND THRILL of the game. IT DIDN'T WORK; COULDN'T WORK; DOESN'T WORK and IT WON'T WORK...COS BLÅ-GUL BRINGS IT BACK!!! Tell Trapatoni, Sven Göran and the world!! I and I suck on victory candy while it lasts. Ire Ire 5-0! Noc'l Gaumoy Okuto del Coli Gratis: Ladda hem nya MSN Messenger 6.2. Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: BARTHEZ FABIEN ÄR EN HÄLSORISK
AKTUNG!! BARTHEZ FABIEN ÄR EN HÄLSORISK! Barthez's revange extinguished the last English spark!! OPEN UP THE GATES OF DOVER-CALAIS for, if you can not win over them, join them But first, lesson number one: Fabien Barthez är en hälsorisk! In short, you do not go watching Barthez play if your health is questionable. No! That is suiside not covered by any serious health insurance. ONE MOMENT he rushes out in one of those classical suicide excurssions that beat all novice goal-keepers collective records. THERE YOU MISS JUST TEN HEARTBEATS. Direct, moreover!!! THE NEXT MOMENT, the bloody son of a ball glues the ball in a seldom withnessed spectacular goal-keeper akrobat (Engl. acrobat?) that extinguishes the world of football lovers for a blink's moment. THERE TOO, YOU BLOW ANOTHER MISS OF TEN HEARTBEATS. I know it. I have counted, aha aha aha!! If you are in love with the game of football and Fabien Barthez is in the squad, be warned! Find out in advance if you have failing health and have aids within reach. JAG ÄR LÅNGTIDSFRISKSKRIVEN, aha aha aha! That was lesson two in Swedish. In short, don't mess with my health, aha aha! Lesson three: IT IS PUNITIVE to bore noc'l Okuto del Coli and the world of football lovers. YOU EITHER PLAY THE GAME OR YOU FUCKING DON'T! Stationary ironlegged statues get punished. England knows it now. Do not ask me what the Dukes of football ate before the match. I do not know. But Franco's graces, Kings and demolition Zidane didn't do any better either. Perhaps we must ressurect the good old days of Napoleon to observe a more boring battle. O.K. Sometime we have all wondered how sensible humans of blood and flesh can run around chasing some stupid ball they are not supposed to grabb. Isn't it Gook? Ugandan know better. That is why they have abdicated and surrendered the gracious elegance of a sport to the WEST AFRICAN Kings of the game. That they did so, I do understand.Mulindwa,John and Kironde do too. We can not have humans chasing missarable balls on fertile grounds like Nakivubo, Walugembe, Mandela, Pece, Wankulokuku and the rest of the nonsense while there is optimal need for bananer and potatoe fields to feed those at the Samaritian king, King Mutebi's bounty to the displaced Ugandan at Banda. Appoprå det, the security villages do not seem secured from vampire claws any more. Now that sports is an alien pest Ugandan do not want to associate with, perhaps there is better use for the stadiums. Why not? Ugandan do not qualify for any international tournaments no more. They can not play football; they can not run like our fathers in the good old days tore. Lesson number five, when the moment of "THE WINNER TAKES IT ALL" is arrived at, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR ELEGANCY!! Majji-majji elegances like those of Russia must learn to grow "OKUTO DEL". That was lesson number six. In short, THORNS Without that it is hard to advance further in the tournament. Elegance like the KCC and Layibi of thos days do no justice here. ASK the English goal-keeper David James. He knew that if you miss the ball you do not miss the "MUGU" (Swahili?) as long as there is possiblity for the referee looking opposite direction,aha aha ah!! Face to face with King Thierry Henry of Frenchfootball and Gunnerdemolition in a SOLO MODE, what else to do at that pathetic situation?? Penalty, OK but, what to do?! KING IS KING!!! Barthez's revange extinguished the last English sparks!! He is well acquainted with is former United mates penalty kicks. JOYFICATE. We go in today to crush BULGARIEN HENKE LARSSON IS OKUTO del (Thorn-skinned). Don't forget that name. noc'l Okuto del Coli Planera din drömsemester på MSN Resor. Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: CHICKEN ARE CROWING IN SHERWOOD
A NEW ORDER ON THE MAKING! Customarily COMPUTERFREE & MOBILEFREE weekend is a shrine. A sacred cow. today I make an exception to deviate for today is today. Just returned from voting against European Union dictatorship. They are "turboed" to dismantle our Scandinavian customs, the worlds number one. They call their twisted culture for superior, pooh!! On the other front, chicken are crowing on Sherwood mountains. Church bells ring for the heirs of Winstone Chuchill and Charles de Gulles to battle it out. Ten minutes to go. My Ballentine is on the ready!! The Dukes of football,David Becham, Paul Scholes, Michael Owen,Ashley Cole, Sol Champbell, Neville & co meet the mites of the Kings about it. KING Thierry, King Zidane, King Vieirra and King Treze´guet of Football will dans guwett for De Goals!! Cheers, Noc'l Okutto del AcoliMSN Mobil: Spara tid - fyll på ditt kontantkort här! This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: DE GOULLE vs CHURCHILL
RICHARD OF YORK GOES BATTLING IN VAIN!!! TODAY IS TODAY. THE TWO RAINBOW TEAMS OF THE WORLD BATTLES WHO ARE THE BADDEST SONS OF FOOTBALL. Blaim yourself for missing the duel!!MSN Shopping: Lägre priser, kortare köer, alltid öppet Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Giorgiokaqragoalos of GREEKLAND IS THE KING!!
THE BADDEST SON OF A BALL IS KARAGOLO OF GREECE!!! . FIGO & CO ARE.(SO FAR)MSN Shopping: Lägre priser, kortare köer, alltid öppet Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: ACHOLI CHIEF APPEALS TO LRA
Interesting. Elucidate your meanings. Who are "KACOKKE MADIT" people? >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: ACHOLI CHIEF APPEALS TO LRA >Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 13:29:16 -0400 > >Kacoke Matidi people!! > > >Mk > >Aholi Chief Appeals to LRA > > > > Email This Page > >Print This Page > >Visit The Publisher's Site > > > > >New Vision (Kampala) > >May 6, 2004 >Posted to the web May 6, 2004 > >Milton Olupot >Kampala > >THE Acholi traditional leader, Rwot David Onen Acana II, has appealed to the LRA to come out and embrace President Yoweri Museveni's offer to talk peace with them, reports Milton Olupot. > >Museveni recently expressed government's readiness to engage in peace talks with the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) rebels that have wrecked havoc in the north and eastern parts of the country for 18 years. > > >In a statement issued by the paramount chief yesterday, Acana appealed to the LRA to embrace the new developments and start the process of negotiations. > >"As a follow up of these positive developments in search of lasting peace, kindly listen to this humble appeal by your people and seize this opportunity to save thousands of lives being lost in this country," he said. > >UN Secretary General Kofi Annan recently welcomed the President's move to negotiate with the LRA. > >to peacefully resolve the conflict in the region. > >Relevant Links > >East Africa >Civil War and Communal Conflict >Uganda >Peace Negotiations and Conflict Resolution > > > >The African Union has also appealed to Uganda and the international community to step up humanitarian assistance and efforts for peaceful resolution of the war-ravaged region. > >AU peace and security commissioner Djinuit said humanitarian assistance was as vital as the search for a lasting solution to the war. > > > > > > >This service is hosted on the Infocom network >http://www.infocom.co.ug Veckans Pollenprognos hittar du nu på MSN Väder Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: RE: [Ugandacom] Up Date Kitgum
WHERE ARE THOSE UGANDAN WHO ALWAYS CONTEND THAT THEY CAN TALK SENSES INTO KONY / LRA AND BRING HIM TO SERIOUSLY BOTH COMPLY WITH AND COMMIT TO PEACEFUL DIALOGUE WITH THE UGANDAN REGIME? What are they waiting for? Do they proceed from their desire for new governance in Uganda or from the severity of the doggy situation our Ugandan commonality is exposed to? If the latter bears any superiority then they should commit regardless of the power wielder at state house. It is about making the best of the worst situation!!! Uganda democracy is another five. Otherwise, a logical conclusion is that they neither have the ability or the capability of engaging the LRA into a meaningful dialogue. And, what would the dialogue be about anyway, considering the magnitude of subsequent barbarism? One thing seems certain, they have burnt down all bridges and dialogue about political power sharing is invisible at present moment. The Uganda government should go at full length to protect our people!! rgds noc'l gaumoy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Ugandacom] Up Date Kitgum >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:06:15 -0400 > >UGANDA 28/4/2004 12:20 >KITGUM, CITY OF THE æ OCTURNAL DISPLACED?/b> > Church/Religious Affairs, Standard > > >æt least 17,000, perhaps as many as 20,000 people in Kitgum and the surrounding area spent the night away from home, and they will do the same in the days to come. The situation will continue until someone manages to put a stop to the acts of violence carried out by the rebels of LRA (Lordæ¯ Resistance Army),?a local religious source told MISNA, describing the necessarily ætray?existence of thousands of people in Kitgum, capital of the northern district of the same name. æt sunset, they are forced to abandon their homes, and are able to return only at dawn the following day, in the hope of finding the belongings that they left behind, and of being able to resume æormal?life, at least until sunset,?said the source. Yesterday, MISNA released the news that thousands of people have been pouring into KItgum for days following reports of attacks and ambushes and persistent rumours that the rebels are mounting a series of large-scale operations. æhis is a p henomenon that is completely new: north Uganda is the only region in the world to have nocturnal displaced people,?continues the source, explaining that æhe people cannot do otherwise. Every family has now seen a child abducted or a loved one beaten or killed by the rebels? The figures pertaining to this night-time exodus are worrying: æn the province of Kitgum, at least 7,000 people are seeking shelter, particularly in church and hospital structures, while there are at least 10,000 in the city,?explains the interlocutor. The displaced are right to flee, says the source: æumerous homes were looted last night as well. Fortunately, there were no victims, given that with sundown all the homes empty. However, death comes easily in north Uganda. This morning, for example, intense gunfire was heard around 15 kilometres northeast of Kitgum. I would have liked to have gone to see what was going on, but I soldier stopped me: æhe roads are not safe ?he told me ?it is better if you do not go.æºLC] > > Veckans Pollenprognos hittar du nu på MSN Väder Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: KIKEBE ON ADVANCED STRIKE
SORRY MATES, my computer is seriously on strike. Just a click to open a mail and the whole box goes to Junk and junk to inbox and drafts off on tours and ...everything! Those who have recieved mails from me today just delete them. Some are mere unfinished drafts flying away on their own. And, I am not recieving any mails either. Veckans Pollenprognos hittar du nu på MSN Väder Klicka här This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: TESTING-TESTING. STILL IN CYBER QUARANTAIN?!?!
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ugnet_: HALLÅ DÄR, TESTAR!!!
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ugnet_: RE: [Ugandacom] Re: Federalism - Can the North survive without the South?? / Adam Dada
SOME DEBATER YOU ARE!!! Is this supposed to be the answer to what I suggested? What is the centrality? Substance, my mate, get some! I thought you were for objective debate. It not unusual with authoritarian feudalism on the net, especially for freshers. Read me again with contained emotion and you will see that mine was not Buganda vs North or what ever but based on prevalent legitmacy and constitutional interpretations. Do not be too jumpy and impulsive. That is for immature types. I wanted to understand the basis of your arguments. Now you just jump on defensive as if I was opposing you. Be objective and substancetive. Otherwise, no hard feeling just congenial debates. We live in different worlds and do not even laugh at the same jokes. So lets hold to context! You have not answered me. rgds noc'l >From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Ugandacom] Re: Federalism - Can the North survive without the South?? / Adam Dada >Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:33:22 -0700 (PDT) > > > >NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >YOU HAVE NO COMMAND, YET, OF THE ISSUE YOU ARE TRYING TO ADVANCE, unfortunately!!! > >Do you have command of the issue you are trying to advance?? Thanks to Allah that you have no such command. > > > >Check out the ROYAL HISTORY and check out about Kakungulu. > >Check ou the NORTHERN HISTORY with the attrocities they committed on people and check out about Obote, Amin, and Okello. > > > >Check out the contents of your definition of Uganda. > >Check out the contents of your definition of Uganda. Bugand is IN Uganda, the two can not be separated. > > > >Check out your definition of CULTURE. > >Check out your definition of CULTURE. Buganda does have a culture. > > > >Check out the contents of your definitions of Political rights and human rights. > >Check out the contents of your definitions of Political rights and human rights. What are they, may I ask?? > > > >Check out what you got within the parameters of your understanding of economical, cultural and social rights. > >Check out what you got within the parameters of your understanding of economical, cultural and social rights. Buganda has a right to all those. > > > >Check out if in any way there are discriminative factors in your arguments. > >Check out if in any way there are discriminative factors in your arguments against Buganda. > > > >And do a little homework to find out the contents of normative definition of discrimination and what UN conventions or declarations cover it. > >Do a little homework to find out the contents of normative definition of discrimination (against ethnic tribes i.e Baganda) and what UN conventions or declarations cover it. > > > >After that come back to net and parade your points to support that you are not talking low-key subjective bullshit!!! > >After that come back to net and parade your points to support that you are not talking low-key subjective bullshit!!! The development of the Northern region might be bullshit to you, but it's not for Uganda. That's what we all want to see. The North needs to learn about hospitality of other tribes, for there isn't many "foreigners" in the North. Why?? Is this low-key subjective bullshit to you?? Maybe, we all know of your sectarianism. > > > >Some times it helps to be factor based. > >Some times it helps to be factor based. Prove anything I've mentioned in the email below wrong. Northerners are not developing and investing in the North. They need to learn a lot from Baganda concerning the development of their areas and outright balance of civilization to all parts of Uganda. These are facts which are factor based. Otherwise, Prove me wrong! > > > > > >Zakoomu M. > > > > > > > > > >From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: [Ugandacom] Federalism - Can the North survive without the South?? / Adam Dada > >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:23:11 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Dada: > > > >Well spoken! And when the Baganda try to address this issue of Northerners burrying/forgiving differences amongest themselves and abondoning a reconciliation with Baganda, some Northerners have termed us as "tribalists". I am talking about this recent incident when they refused to apologize to Luweero people but decided to apol
Re: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the North survive without theSouth??
You guys so keen on disintegration and "sectorial" / sectarian bias have problems: confusing Buganda with Uganda. Would you start by defining Uganda to convince those of us who do not hang along your twisted perception of the state of Uganda? It has not occurred to me that Uganda is a nation state and all of us other "Ugandan" are aliens. Why don't you wait until Buganda becomes a state and tell that generation your feudal utopia? Why not invest in constructive arguments conducive to mutual / bilateral understandings. It is not always possible to converge on a common understanding from a derogatory domain Don't some of you know that there are differences between "Tribe" and "Tribalism" and, between Ethnicity and Ethnicism"? Your debate, if any at all, could be insulting a lot more Ugandan with integrity than you care to know. And infact you have suceessfully succeeded in repelling Ugandan's lust for information. Happy Easter noc'l >From: "Adam Dada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the North survive without theSouth?? >Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:53:08 + > >Lisa Toro, > >I don't think we, as notherners, are the right people to talk about >kindness and friendship, nor do we even have the moral authority to >do so. The Baganda have shown us friendship and kindness over the >centuries by allowing us to live among themselves and almost >assimilating (ask Mulindwa), to the extent of even voting Obote to >power in I962. How have they been repaid by us? By abolishing the >King and Kingdom, by murdering them in Luwero and constantly >persecuting them. We really have to work hard to justfy those words >you have used "kindness and friendship", and at least have some >remorse for once for our actions against the Baganda, instead of >trying to give them lectures about those virtues.They have not >gained anything at all from being kind and friendly to us. They are >unlikely to accept a similar situation in the future. Mine is a >request to my kin and keith, including you Lisa, to abandon that >baseless arrongance and own up to the mistakes and atrocities, and >realize we have to learn alot from the Baganda not vice-versa. Only >then can we forge a new beginning. >Adam > >>From: "Lisa Toro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the North >>survive without theSouth?? >>Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:50:14 +0100 >> >>emmanuel musaazi, >> >>Try the language of the cultured!, not the NRM opppressive and >>dictatorial >>style. Ugandans learn things in Buganda culture and indeed other >>cultures >>through kindness, friendship and understanding shown to them not >>the type of >>arrogance you showing here. >> >>Toro >>- Original Message - >>From: emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:55 PM >>Subject: RE: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the North >>survive >>without theSouth?? >> >> >> > ..to all those who are "buganda" challenged vis a vis buganda >>culture and >> > customs, and who feel they need to be educated, please check >>this website; >> > http://www.buganda.com. >> > >> > >> > >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >Subject: RE: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the >>North >>survive >> > >without the South?? >> > >Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:31:05 + >> > > >> > >Ms Mukooza, >> > > >> > >I hate wiseacres like Odwe. Instead of requesting to be >>educated, they >> > >display their ignorance about an issue by pretending to know >>more about >> > >that culture than the people who belong to it. There is nothing >>backward >> > >about the three phrases he refers to and therefore there is >>nothing wise >> > >about resisting them. >> > > >> > >I'm in no mood now to start explaining to him the whole >>background of >>those >> > >phrases, but I'd just like to point out to him that 'yedira ki' >>(i.e. the >> > >clans) is the basis on which the whole Kiganda culture is built >>on. The >> > >clans are the means through which a Muganda can identify >>him/herself. >>There >> > >are several reasons why one has to know which clan he/she >>belongs to. For >> > >more information he should ask a Muganda near him (but he has >>to be a >>real >> > >Muganda). >> > > >> > >Kasangwawo >> > > >> > > >> > >>From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], >> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >>Subject: ugnet_: Re: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - Can the North >>survive >> > >>without the South?? >> > >>Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:57:43 -0800 (PST) >> > >> >> > >>Odwe: >> > >> >> > >>Hahahaha, do not make me laugh! "Oyo
ugnet_: RE: [Ugandacom] Federalism - Can the North survive without the South?? / Adam Dada
YOU HAVE NO COMMAND, YET, OF THE ISSUE YOU ARE TRYING TO ADVANCE, unfortunately!!! Check out the ROYAL HISTORY and check out about Kakungulu. Check out the contents of your definition of Uganda. Check out your definition of CULTURE. Check out the contents of your definitions of Political rights and human rights. Check out what you got within the parameters of your understanding of economical, cultural and social rights. Check out if UN declarations, treaties or conventions cover them. Check out if in any way there are discriminative factors in your arguments. And do a little homework to find out the contents of normative definition of discrimination and what UN conventions or declarations cover it. After that come back to net and parade your points to support that you are not talking low-key subjective bullshit!!! Some times it helps to be factor based. Greetings and best regards Nocla gaumoy >From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Ugandacom] Federalism - Can the North survive without the South?? / Adam Dada >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:23:11 -0700 (PDT) > >Dada: > >Well spoken! And when the Baganda try to address this issue of Northerners burrying/forgiving differences amongest themselves and abondoning a reconciliation with Baganda, some Northerners have termed us as "tribalists". I am talking about this recent incident when they refused to apologize to Luweero people but decided to apologize to each other (Acholi, Lango, Teso). Uganda missed a serious chance for a reconciliation between the North and Buganda. People had cooled down and they were ready and open to forgiveness. What a chance Ugandans wasted?? > >If these people only knew the Baganda half way, I think they have forgotten, and hence they need to understand them all the way. It is like you've said Mr. Adam Dada, Baganda are very welcoming people. I am telling you that one will never find a region in Uganda with the exception of Buganda where almost all tribes of Uganda are found to settle peacefully. Humans can not settle in harsh environments. > >I have just read an article about the Bakenyi (a section of Baganda?) who are being discriminated in Teso solely because they are of Bantu origin. The Iteso call them "emerit" or something similar to that, a clear sign of intolerance of various tribes of Uganda. The Bakenyi in Teso are forced to be at the end of the waiting-list to see a doctor! This is not the only example, there are lots of them. Due to such unkindness in Teso, I am sure you will find few Baganda living in Teso. And yet its the reverse in Buganda, where you will find hundreds of Iteso living in Buganda. > >Teso is in the Eastern part of Uganda. It is just the tip of the iceberg of that characterizes what's in Northern Uganda. Buganda is not just looking on when all this is happening. We know what is going, we can see through all of this. However, we want the country to move in the right direction of democracy and federalism, with justice for all. > >Adam Dada, have you ever wondered why Buganda has had the success it has had through thick and thin?? You will see that Buganda has a civilization of organized governance. If sensible Ugandans can allow for the North to learn from Buganda and get itself organized regionally to tackle local matters (Federalism), I am very sure that the North can achieve the same. If Northerners with money quit spending their money in Buganda and take it to their roots (home) to develop their home region, I am very sure the North will achieve development. > >Dada, it is sad for me to see that a HUGE majority of Northern MPs own houses and businesses in Buganda, and yet they own nothing in their home regions (the regions they are supposed to represent in parliament). These MPs are clear examples that they are not working towards the development of the regions they are representing. How can an MP from the North represent that region when he/she lives in Buganda?? How shamefull can things become in order for sense to come back to our brothers and sisters?? We had Obote who had mansions in Buganda and he had nothing in Lango!! How much shame do people have to take?? What is becoming of people?? Have people forgotten that charity begins at home?? > >I do know of some Northerners here in USA who send money back home to build houses in Buganda. On one hand I don't blame them because of the war, on the other hand I do blame them because this pattern began sometime back in history before Museveni came to power (before his bloody war in the North). How is the North going to develop when its own leaders are not in support of local Northern development?? If you have ever noticed, you will see that when Baganda get some money, they invest in their motherland. This leads to local Buganda develo
ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - is this a joke?
Mulindwa could be a train, dog, cow, goat, car, bag of posho, ghost or whatever, what is important is for some of us to start the elementary realm of analytical fundaments: object, subject etceteras. However, we should also be on the clear that in the world of the World Wide Web and it simulator or cyber politics, we are involved with culture collisions. In some cultures who says what is more important that what he is saying. It is a funny world we live in. Certain wrong things become right because the right person says it and certain right things become wrong because the wrong person delivers it. Animal Farm!! Still we have to be cautious of infantry diseases (even over the forums, that is). Takes a little some time to acclimatise! Rgds Happy weekend Nocl >From: "aokwong-okumu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - is this a joke? >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:08:37 -0500 > >HI, >Mulindwa is MULINDWA, alive in the same skin I have known him in since September 1989 when I came to Toronto and met him. He has grown day and night, intellectually since the advent the world wide web. The unfortunate thing about UGANDANS is that they think and believe that one is educated only and only if he went into a class or lecture hall. It is a myopic belief, which those who have it and their classroom/lecture hall education think they have a right and only them can comment/analyse/prescribe to Uganda's political chaos. My brother Mulindwa gooo on, make their blood boil with your incisive questions and commentry. May Allah sharpen your mind and make it more potent!. > >Aloysius. > - Original Message - > From: Edward Mulindwa > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:30 PM > Subject: [Ugandacom] Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - is this a joke? > > > Rehema Mukooza > > Even if we were to post our identification on this forum/forums, it does not take away the serious questions I and many Baganda out there are asking. Whether Mulindwa is fake or not fake it dos not take away the questions that face federalists today that they have refused to answer all along, for my asking them today does not mean it is the first time they have showed up. > > This is not about taking Mulindwa serious or not, this is to help Ugandans especially Baganda who are having their entire future decided by interest groups, under all sorts of names, in the name of working for interests of Muganda. And the list is huge, so is Kiiza Besigye, so are the federalists, so is NRM, so is KY. and the list can go on and on. In the process, Baganda as a people have never had a chance to make their feelings known, Buganda's politics is dictatorial right from Mengo. And my self as a muganda I am not worried about that for Mengo is a cultural institution, it can be as un elected as it wants. > > But if you come to split up our nation, under the guise of federalism, surely that is political and we need a chance as Baganda to vote on it. If we can not vote on whether we prefer secession or federalism, then those and many more questions must be made public and answered. Can Buganda survive under federalism? If yes show us the numbers. That simple. > > And I see no complication at all in that request, and I can add that a federalist like Simon Nume to refuse to answer those questions and he decides to hide under do not take Mulindwa serious, is just one of the unfortunate acts he has done in his posting/s. For you know what? History has never looked with happy eyes to any one who lies to masses. federalists stand up and tell us how we as Baganda will survive with out the rest of Uganda, and if you are saying that we will survive for the rest of Uganda will continue feeding us, or investing for us, show us the written agreements Mengo has done with those regions to that effect. Federalism is negotiation between regions. As Baganda we demand the federalists to show us the results of those negotiations before you split up our nation. > > And any thing less than those two is a clear indication of how you decided to take Buganda out of Uganda with out the consent of Baganda , and with out full disclosure to us, that makes you the enemies of Buganda. And I hope and pray that you are not. > > Now that you posted your comments to sites I am not a member I hope you will see it fit to post my response to the same as well. > > Em > >The Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > - Original Message - > From: Rehema Mukooza > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:11 PM > Subject: ugnet_: Mulindwa is not Mulindwa! - is this
RE: ugnet_: PRIORITY ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences
On the contrary! >From: "Vovi Uganda e.V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:44:12 +0100 > >Don't you know how to locate them > - Original Message - > From: NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences > > > > > > > Not good enough! This is very serious matter that can not be left to insinuations. > > > > Is that what the religious leaders from Acoli Lango and Teso say? They are there.They can shed light on this and help insinuations and speculations. What have the Religious Leaders themselves come out with on this issue? Why speculate / insinuate as if the Religious Leaders do not exist? They are there. > > DID THEY OR DID THEY NOT MEET? Who summoned the meeting, what was the agenda and what was their pronouncements? > > What is the name of that SECT you keep referring to? > > Did the Religious leaders directly or otherwise come to a understanding that THEY should apologize or did they agree that Acoli should do it? > > I think the confusion here is based on the Religious Leaders silence. > > Where did you get your information about that SECT? Did they corrupt all the Religious Leaders fraternity or only those from Teso and Lango? Since you know a lot about this sect, you probably also know about their methods and who their target was? > > Were those from Acoli pressurized under black mail? > > rgds noc'l > > >From: "Vovi Uganda e.V." > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: , ,, > >Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences > >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:44:39 +0100 > > > >It might help a lot if you take the trouble to re-read my posting on this subject; It was and still is a certain born again sect! > > - Original Message - > > From: NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:36 AM > > Subject: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences > > > > > > Mates Oraca and Zakoomu(Rehema Mukooza), > > > > > > > >Firstly I salute your extra energy despite parallel / divergent vantage points which focal point (even cyber wise) is way out of prevalent endurances of our commonality. > > > > > > > > What is wrong with you guys, do you not see that even at the proceeding points, you are talking of different things while looking at the same status quo? > > > > > > > > Oracha is talking about Acoli while Zakoomu (Mukooza) is talking about Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs or what ever. WHICH IS WHICH? > > > > > > > > I suppose you do yourselves more justice if you first resolve that difference. Perhaps there in lies also the central issue. > > > > > > > > For example, how come or when did the " ACHOLI, LANGO AND TESO" mysteriously vanished from the Religious leaders declaration only to transpire as "ACOLI TO APOLOGISE"? That is a very central question. > > > > > > > > Some contrivers must have connived to alter the final deliberation. > > > > > > > > Were the ARLPI pre conditioned by the religious leaders from Lango and Teso in some sinister black mail that criteria for continued coordination was for Acoli to apologize? > > > > > > > > Me think some thing is very wrong with the oneness / togetherness of the so-called Religious leaders. Their fucking unity is nothing but cyber unity. If it were that Acoli, Lango and Atesot should apologize (which it self, was already bad enough and completely liberated from intelligence), where did this "Acoli to apologize" come from? > > > > > > > > I smell an abominable fucking rat in the religious leaders!! > > > > > > > > It is not the art and the science parts of Musseveni's politics at work but the religious leaders are biased. > > > > > > > > I want to know when and why did ACOLI, LANGI AND ATESOT become A
Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences
Not good enough! This is very serious matter that can not be left to insinuations. Is that what the religious leaders from Acoli Lango and Teso say? They are there.They can shed light on this and help insinuations and speculations. What have the Religious Leaders themselves come out with on this issue? Why speculate / insinuate as if the Religious Leaders do not exist? They are there. DID THEY OR DID THEY NOT MEET? Who summoned the meeting, what was the agenda and what was their pronouncements? What is the name of that SECT you keep referring to? Did the Religious leaders directly or otherwise come to a understanding that THEY should apologize or did they agree that Acoli should do it? I think the confusion here is based on the Religious Leaders silence. Where did you get your information about that SECT? Did they corrupt all the Religious Leaders fraternity or only those from Teso and Lango? Since you know a lot about this sect, you probably also know about their methods and who their target was? Were those from Acoli pressurized under black mail? rgds noc'l >From: "Vovi Uganda e.V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:44:39 +0100 > >It might help a lot if you take the trouble to re-read my posting on this subject; It was and still is a certain born again sect! > - Original Message - > From: NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:36 AM > Subject: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences > > > Mates Oraca and Zakoomu(Rehema Mukooza), > > > >Firstly I salute your extra energy despite parallel / divergent vantage points which focal point (even cyber wise) is way out of prevalent endurances of our commonality. > > > > What is wrong with you guys, do you not see that even at the proceeding points, you are talking of different things while looking at the same status quo? > > > > Oracha is talking about Acoli while Zakoomu (Mukooza) is talking about Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs or what ever. WHICH IS WHICH? > > > > I suppose you do yourselves more justice if you first resolve that difference. Perhaps there in lies also the central issue. > > > > For example, how come or when did the " ACHOLI, LANGO AND TESO" mysteriously vanished from the Religious leaders declaration only to transpire as "ACOLI TO APOLOGISE"? That is a very central question. > > > > Some contrivers must have connived to alter the final deliberation. > > > > Were the ARLPI pre conditioned by the religious leaders from Lango and Teso in some sinister black mail that criteria for continued coordination was for Acoli to apologize? > > > > Me think some thing is very wrong with the oneness / togetherness of the so-called Religious leaders. Their fucking unity is nothing but cyber unity. If it were that Acoli, Lango and Atesot should apologize (which it self, was already bad enough and completely liberated from intelligence), where did this "Acoli to apologize" come from? > > > > I smell an abominable fucking rat in the religious leaders!! > > > > It is not the art and the science parts of Musseveni's politics at work but the religious leaders are biased. > > > > I want to know when and why did ACOLI, LANGI AND ATESOT become ACOLI? > > Could some Samaritan help out so we can advance better? > > Rgds > Noc'l gaumoy > > > > > > >From: Rehema Mukooza > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences > >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:55:22 -0800 (PST) > > > >Vovi: > > > >This is what I'm talking about. We need an independent investigation in the Luweero massacres. We shall all be suprised to see all of these men involved; Mu7, Obote, Okello involved in the killings of Luweero and people from other places. > > > >Zakoomu R. > > > >"Vovi Uganda e.V." wrote: > >One very important factor in this phenomenon, is the prime factor and mover behind the appology being discussed right now. At the centre of all these is a Foregin Born-Again Christian Sect prompted by and working together with Janet Museveni to lift up dictator Museveni's shattered political ego from Uganda's Political Takataka /
RE: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences
Mates Oraca and Zakoomu(Rehema Mukooza), Firstly I salute your extra energy despite parallel / divergent vantage points which focal point (even cyber wise) is way out of prevalent endurances of our commonality. What is wrong with you guys, do you not see that even at the proceeding points, you are talking of different things while looking at the same status quo? Oracha is talking about Acoli while Zakoomu (Mukooza) is talking about Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs or what ever. WHICH IS WHICH? I suppose you do yourselves more justice if you first resolve that difference. Perhaps there in lies also the central issue. For example, how come or when did the ACHOLI, LANGO AND TESO mysteriously vanished from the Religious leaders declaration only to transpire as ACOLI TO APOLOGISE? That is a very central question. Some contrivers must have connived to alter the final deliberation. Were the ARLPI pre conditioned by the religious leaders from Lango and Teso in some sinister black mail that criteria for continued coordination was for Acoli to apologize? Me think some thing is very wrong with the oneness / togetherness of the so-called Religious leaders. Their fucking unity is nothing but cyber unity. If it were that Acoli, Lango and Atesot should apologize (which it self, was already bad enough and completely liberated from intelligence), where did this Acoli to apologize come from? I smell an abominable fucking rat in the religious leaders!! It is not the art and the science parts of Mussevenis politics at work but the religious leaders are biased. I want to know when and why did ACOLI, LANGI AND ATESOT become ACOLI? Could some Samaritan help out so we can advance better? Rgds Nocl gaumoy >From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:55:22 -0800 (PST) > >Vovi: > >This is what I'm talking about. We need an independent investigation in the Luweero massacres. We shall all be suprised to see all of these men involved; Mu7, Obote, Okello involved in the killings of Luweero and people from other places. > >Zakoomu R. > >"Vovi Uganda e.V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >One very important factor in this phenomenon, is the prime factor and mover behind the appology being discussed right now. At the centre of all these is a Foregin Born-Again Christian Sect prompted by and working together with Janet Museveni to lift up dictator Museveni's shattered political ego from Uganda's Political Takataka / dustbin. Much as I believe in Salvation through Jesus Christ with whom I have a special relationship, >I have not lost the awareness of born again christian sect who team up with evil and very satanic tyrants and governments in Latin America and Africa to create more obedient-sheep like citizens who should never question authorities, not join social movements, never oppose a government, that a / the government is divine etc. The born again cards kept Moi of Kenya going longer than he could have if he had to confront Ndinigi M. zeki of catholic Church and the Anglican Church of Kenya both of whom are known to have crossed roads with Moi on many occassion. But not once in the history of Kenya can anyone point out a single born again christian sect that sided with the victims of injustices and oppression. This is where the all issue of Luwero lies. >We need a through independent investigation in Luwero not an infected government session of apologies coming from traumatised victims of war from northern and eastern Uganda enticed by material gifts and gains, or opiumised by selected rehersed biblical verses. > > > > >- Original Message - >From: Rehema Mukooza >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:54 AM >Subject: [Ugandacom] Re: Acholi, Lango, Teso MPs bury differences > > >Mulindwa: > >Hah! Nnaye wabula musajja gwe omanyiira! Sowing the Mustard Seed is a book dedicated towards the overthrow of democracy off the African subcontinent! How can you claim that I'm following that book of evil from page to page??! Mulindwa, man you owe to be careful with your words! Don't you piss me off! > >Why were Luweero people welcoming an apology over nothing?? This is bizarre! Are you trying to convience me that this welcoming of an apology from Acholi to Luweero people is another page of the Mustard Seed?? Mulindwa, instead of being careless with your words, why don't you throw light on my question and try to convience me and others of the Luweero war situation and what happened. Be a responsible critical thinker! > >How far has Museveni's mustard seed grown?? How long can the mustard tree last after his life?? You need to be more serious than this, Mulindwa. > >Zakoomu R. > >Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >Zakoomu seems to follow Mustard seed page to page > >Em
ugnet_: RE: Fw: UGANDA: Government to concentrate Lira IDPs into larger camps
Where has the Ugandan solidarity gone? They safest place is down South near / around or in Kampala.What about at Bahai on Gayaza road or at Namagongo? And why not at Nakasongola near the Military Air base?!?! And what is more safer than ariound my former home ground at Kololo Airstrip? rgds Noc'l >From: David Luwum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Culture, Peace and A Sustainable Future" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Fw: UGANDA: Government to concentrate Lira IDPs into larger camps >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:35:14 - > >Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 2:01 PM >Subject: UGANDA: Government to concentrate Lira IDPs into larger camps > > >UGANDA: Government to concentrate Lira IDPs into larger camps > >KAMPALA, 11 March (IRIN) - The Ugandan government has announced plans to >reduce the number of camps for internally displaced persons (IDPs) in the >northern district of Lira and instead concentrate the people in larger camps >to minimise their risk of being attacked by rebels. > >Humanitarian workers, however, fear that the move could worsen the >humanitarian situation in the area, owing to the more grim living conditions >that are likely to be found in larger camps. > >"There are currently 42 camps scattered throughout Lira District, but we >want to make these 20. The existing camps have 4,000 to 5,000 people. We >will simply put several together to make about 20,000 people each, with only >two camps in each sub-county," the army spokesman, Maj Shaban Bantariza, >told IRIN on Thursday. > >The government decision is a response to recent massacres of IDPs by rebels >of the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) in the northern region. On 21 February, >the LRA attacked Barlonyo IDPs camp, 30 km north of Lira town, killing more >than 200 people. Most of the victims were shot, burned or hacked to death by >the LRA, who overpowered local militias deployed to guard the camp. > >Addressing a news conference last week, President Yoweri Museveni said the >failure of the security forces to prevent the Barlonyo attack was because >the camp had not been properly established, but was instead a makeshift >structure "that had grown up around a local defence detachment [unit] in an >otherwise deserted area". > >"Such detachments should not have the population around them since they are >not [strong] enough to protect people," he added. > >The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian affairs >(OCHA) confirmed the move to concentrate the Lira IDPs camps. > >"The people in the smaller camps will be joining the larger camps, but the >figures have not yet been defined," Eliane Duthoit, the OCHA head of office >in the capital, Kampala, said on Thursday. "We will be sending someone to >Lira to do an assessment next week." > >Duthoit, however, said it could worsen the humanitarian situation in Lira. >"We have the experience of Gulu District [also in northern Uganda]: the >bigger, more congested camps are more difficult to provide public health and >sanitation to," she said. "In Gulu there are, conversely, talks of having >the larger camps, like Pabbo, decongested by spreading them out." > >The Gulu proposal comes about a month after a fire in Pabbo camp - which >houses some 60,000 IDPs - devastated the camp, leaving many IDPs homeless. >The fire was blamed on the fact that the thatched huts that make up the camp >are huddled so closely together. > >Humanitarian workers said the choice between larger, congested camps and >smaller, scattered settlements presented a dilemma. On the one hand, >congested camps led to intolerable living conditions, poor sanitation, >competition for water, medicines, food, and associated diseases like >cholera. On the other hand, scattered camps were sitting ducks for the LRA, >because they were inadequately protected, they said. > >Duthoit told IRIN that, where possible, she "would like to see smaller >settlements, if the camps are properly protected. But this means we need >more soldiers assigned to protect the camps, and we are told they [the >Ugandan army] are overstretched". > >Bantariza admitted concentrating Lira IDPs could worsen living conditions, >but described it as "the lesser of two evils". > >"Living conditions may not be better, but it is better to live in poor >conditions than to die. They [the IDPs] can ask for better health, food, >sanitation, but not if they are dead," he told IRIN. > >Northern Uganda's civilians have suffered the LRA insurgency for 18 years. >Led by a mystic recluse, Joseph Kony, the rebels claim they want to topple >Museveni's government, yet they have killed thousands of civilians, >according to estimates by aid workers. > >At least 1.4 million northern Ugandans have been displaced and live in >camps. Last November, UN Humanitarian Coordinator Jan Egeland, after a visit >to the region, declared it "one of the world's worst humanitarian cr
ugnet_: RE: [Ugandacom] UGANDA - REBELS (OLUM NOT GRASS!!!)
OLUM GRASS & CO.
It is funny, for a long time the Ugandan media has been misinterpreting the word OLUM as grass.
My understanding is that:
LUM means grass. But it can also imply in the wood, Wilderness, Yonder etc.
Olum to me corresponds those latter categories.
The Uganda mass media should correct that simplistic direct misinterpretation.
OLUM means of the wilderness. Our journalists do more often than not misrepresent OLUM as meaning grass
Best regards
Nocl
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> The rebels of the LRA (lord's Resistance Army) conducted a raid in a location near the North Ugandan administrative centre of Gulu. The episode occurred at 2:00a.m. on Sunday morning in the village of Obia, 1.5km north of the missionary Hospital of Lachor. The 'Olum' ('grass', as the rebels are called in the Acholi language by the locals) raided some homes for around twenty minutes, killing an around 30-year-old man and abducting three children. This episode is symptomatic of the widespread insecurity in the northern districts of Uganda, infested by followers of Joseph Kony, a crazy visionary financially backed by Khartoum.
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Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda
Don't know, man. Stranger things have happened. For the moment I have decided to"Ice my stormach". Best anodyn against bloodpressure. It is hard to sit and wait but..."what to do?!!" "Letu mi waitu ando se demarcation between strategy, tactics and whatever.. Appoprå "1986" coup, who were they you got in mind? Unfortunately, our politicians and leaders or their emotivity always bed for insinuation and speculations. So is it even this time around. Yogga bende noc'l >From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda >Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:37:07 + > ><< message3.txt >> The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* Noc, This is one of the few times i have to agree with you. Something is seriously wrong with the person or people who are advising these religious people. They seem NOT to realize the significance of "apologizing" about anything. The political and economical implications are HUGE, the legal ramifications even more nightmarish. I ask, and i do this only timidly..are the people behind this the very ones behind the 1985 coup? For that advice was wrong as this one again is. A war that should have been fought and won in Luwero is now being fought and probably lost in another theater. Were Acholi politicians views sought. By Politician i mean People like Mao, Okello Okello, Okullu Epak, NOT Walter Ochola. Or are there no politicians worthy that title from this area? I think for once i agree with those who say that Religion and culture shouldn't be mixed with politics. I hope to God this is one of those miss quoted and wrongly reported news! Otherwise God help the Acholi People and Uganda at large for what has been and is being done in their name! Gook The strategy of the guerilla struggle was to cause maximum chaos and destruction in order to render the government of the day very unpopular Lt. Gen. Kaguta Museveni (Leader of the NRA guerilla army in Luwero) Original Message Follows From: "NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:53:55 + MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Click Here Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ugandacom/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
FW: [AcoliForum] Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda
>From: "NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [AcoliForum] Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda >Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:53:55 + > Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*--- Begin Message --- Hlp!! Now twenty-six or so days before the first of April even ningo-wang and nipping my body all over to ascertain that I am not dreaming hurts. One thing is for sure, though: today is not the first of April, yet! One more thing is extra difficult today. That is, the difficulty in coming to the clear with the Religious Leaders motives. Perhaps it is meaning that those motives remain opaque to atheists like us. But intuition, I have. Mine one tells me something is very wrong. Whoever is advising them is doing his job fine!! He has successfully succeeded in trading on desperado and impulsivity. Uganda is fantastic. This one is world record Pure Gold!! Are they apologizing in place of the UPC regime, the then military officers / commanders, the then Ugandan national army or the ordinary soldiers? But then, I am but an atheist layman who is oblivious to the motives of religious leaders. So let me wait while situations become permeable. In Uganda anything is possible and it is only in Acoli, you can do anything and get away with it! Muwanga and co must be twisting in their graves. Bull!! Noc'l gaumoy >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 03:46:22 -0500 > >Kironde > >When is Museveni who even at a certain point was a minister of defense going to apologize to Baganda? > >Em > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > - Original Message - > From: Ed Kironde > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:16 AM > Subject: [Ugandacom] RE: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda > > > Mulindwa > > a.. You are the one who is putting superlatives to the said apology ranking it as most important. > b.. Apologizing or not apologizing is not the issue. Those guys murdering Baganda babies, women and men in Luwero, to them is no crime and they did not see it as a crime then and they cannot see it as crime today and as one Acholi reader put it; There is no Acholi leader who is stupid enough to apologize for a crime Acholi did not commit leave alone its magnitude. The defense would be that these Baganda men, women were collaborating with rebels and the babies were the collateral damages; and the Acholis in the UNLA had a duty to defend their government and they were fighting insurgents adui. Depopulation, intimidation and bankrupting Buganda subjects since they would always find adui in your pocket was a policy of the government and there was no crime committed and no need to apologize unless one is stupid Acholi. > c.. If civilians are caught in the fire in Acholiland, well, it is a crime because the lives of Acholis are more important. The LRA and Joseph Kony are no insurgents but fighting for a better Acholi and if Langis join arrow groups, they will be slaughtered like rats as warning of things to come. The so-called rebels are our kids and we have had a raw deal for a long time, Kony is the Messiah and anyone talking bad about our prophet is a murderer, Musevenis agent, tribalist, bigot, you name it! > > > a.. -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Mulindwa > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 6:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: ugnet_: Luwero Killings: Acholis to Say Sorry to Buganda > > > When you see a group of people calling them selves coming from Acholi today, and in the state Acholi land is in today, if any body and an Acholi figures that the most important thing today is to apologies to Baganda for Luwero atrocities. That tell you how this discussion is very silly. > > > > But you know it is the kind of Ugandans who are non-critical thinkers that feed on such, not me. For I am still waiting for a Ugandan who will ask the NRM government for a public enquirely in the Luwero atrocities. But as Buganda continues to blow and suck the same time, we yes will continue to have such nonsense continuing. Kiiza Besigye althou
RE: ugnet_: "Uganda: Six-Year-Old Walks 400 Km in Rebel Captivity"
Why not? Children can do a lot more than you can imagine. Problem is, in Africa children are so restricted that we miss the opportunity to know how much they can. How long time did it take? When the differece is death, a lot of wonders can be withnessed. >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: "Uganda: Six-Year-Old Walks 400 Km in Rebel Captivity" >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:58:32 EST > >"Uganda: Six-Year-Old Walks 400 Km in Rebel Captivity" > > >Citizens: >Do you sincerely believe that a six year old kid can walk 400 KM ? That is >how credible the story below is! My guess is that the UPDF probably kidnapped >the kid and tortured the hell out of the kid and then "Rescued" him from the >"rebels" > >Matek > >Uganda: Six-Year-Old Walks 400 Km in Rebel Captivity > >>Racheleri child rehabilitation centre in Lira town on Wednesday. " > >I got so tired and my feet were sore. I thought I was going to die, but they >just said 'keep walking'. You can't stop or they beat you," he said.On one >occasion, Atenon was beaten with a cane after accidentally dropping his bag. He >witnessed the rebels killing an elderly man who had become too tired to walk. >When Atenon's feet became too swollen to continue, they left him in the bush. >"I slept there the whole night, and the next day the government soldiers found >me," he said. > >Ells de Temmerman, the founder of Racheleri and author of Aboke Girls, an >internationally acclaimed account of child abduction in northern Uganda, said >Atenon was the youngest child at the centre, apart from those born in captivity. >"When we got him, he was in a terrible state. From his route, I calculated he >must have walked hundreds of kilometres," she told IRIN. > >Children at the centre who are younger than Atenon, who were born in >captivity but recently rescued after a Ugandan army ambush, spoke of being glad to be >out of LRA control - the only life they had known by then."It was not nice in >the bush. They [the Ugandan army] are always chasing you with guns and you >have to run. > >The sounds of the guns are loud and people die; they are all blown to pieces >with their stomachs and blood on the grass," said five-year-old Ali, the child >of an LRA commander and one of his "wives" - an abducted girl.Ali was found >by the army after both his parents were killed in a gun battle between the >soldiers and rebels. He had seen many children abducted. "They were called kuruts >[recruits in the Acholi dialect]. They were crying because they didn't have >any food or water. But I would always have enough food because my mother gave >[it to] me," he said.De Temmerman said children born to the LRA were harder to >reintegrate back into society. > >"His parents were killed, so we have to find a home. But his father was an >LRA commander, so he can't stay in his mother's village. He effectively has no >relatives - a hard thing in Africa," she told IRIN. She noted that the centre >was seeking foster parents for Ali. "We have found them before in cases like >Ali's," she said. "And he's a fairly normal child, all things considered."The >Racheleri rehabilitation centre was founded in October 2003, funded by the >Belgian government and individual sponsors. > >The cult-like LRA have been waging war in northern Uganda for 18 years. Led >by a reclusive mystic, Joseph Kony, they say they want topple the government, >which is dominated by southerners, and restore power to the Acholi people. Yet >observers note that the victims of the group's atrocities are mostly >defenceless civilians, usually fellow Acholis. > >Kony claims to have magic powers derived from the Holy Spirit and manipulates >beliefs in witchcraft to instil fear in his followers. Virtually all LRA >recruits are abducted children, who are brainwashed by fear and forced to commit >violent acts.The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian >Affairs estimates that the rebels abducted 8,500 children in 2003 - many of them >never seen since. > > > > >"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the >people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It >thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to >repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by >extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." > >- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: Fight now, talk later â Atubo
CORRECT! That is caring for his people. The real "FOR THE PEOPLE, WITH THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE".Enough of the labyrinth & twiddling at cross roads ala "LRA rac; gamente bene rac", bull! The LRA failed to comply with the AMNESTY. I do not think they were committed neither. Cos they neither have the structure nor the infrastructure for negotiations (political leadership / wing). And, whatever objectives to start the war, is no longer tenable. The "UPDF rac LRA bene rac" distress is long overhauled First, we as Ugandan collectively must resolve the situation in the North once and for all (irrespective of who / whom the power wielder at the state house is). Then together, collectively as Ugandan on level grounds embark on national democracy evolution. rgds noc'la gaumoy >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Fight now, talk later â Atubo >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:24:32 EST > >Fight now, talk later â Atubo >By Lucy Lapoti >Feb 18, 2004 > >PARLIAMENT â The MP for Otuke, Mr Omara Atubo, says the Langi want the use of >force to protect locals from the Lordâs Resistance Army rebels.âWe in Lango >believe in military option as an immediate solution and negotiation as a >permanent solution as long as these rebels still continue to commit atrocities,â he >said in an interview at Parliament yesterday. > >The MP said that there would be no peace as long as rebel leader Joseph Kony >is in the bush.He also disclosed that internally displaced persons in Lira >have not received aid since September 2003.âOur people are totally forgotten; >they have not received any assistance since they went to camps in September last >year; no food no education,â he said. > > > > > >"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the >people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It >thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to >repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by >extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." > >- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister > > > > > > > > > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: Worsening insecurity in northern Uganda
Matek, what are your comments? rgds noc´l >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Worsening insecurity in northern Uganda >Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 09:06:10 EST > > > > > UGANDA 7/2/2004 10:35 > > ABIA MASSACRE: CALVARY OF SURVIVORS IN HOSPITAL > > Church/Religious Affairs, Standard > > > > > > To comprehend the cruelty of the rebels of Joseph Kony it is enough to visit > > the North Ugandan government hospital of Lira, ideated by the British in > > colonial times, to respond to a limited need in respect to the current. In the > > years unfortunately the structures of the facility deteriorated. The terrible > > hygienic conditions render the small and stuffy wards a real inferno. But it > > is most anguishing to enter the womenâs Ward 2, where the wounded from the > > Abia displaced camp, attacked on Wednesday night by the LRA (lordâs Resistance > > Army), are laying everywhere: on the cots, under the beds and on mats. Little > > victims such as 10-year-old Akullu Eveline, with severe burns to her head > > and chest, leave you completely breathless. Next to her, an elderly lady, > > crouched on the floor, assisting an 8-year-old boy, called Odongo, placed in the > > womenâs ward with a serious stab injury to his stomach. The elderly lady > > explained that she is his aunt and that the rebels in Abia camp killed Odongoâs > > father, mother and three little brothers, letting them burn to death in their > > hut. Ward 6 is however the absolute worst, the paediatrics ward. A nurse named > > Ester tells that in Abia camp she lost her sister with seven children, also > > they burned to death. Left and right of the large ward are beds of children > > from 4 to 8 years-old. Ten of them from Abia and all in terrible conditions > > due to the various traumas suffered in the LRA raid. According to the doctors, > > the wounded are currently around fifty, 21 of which children. Since Thursday > > ninety-some people have been hospitalised, some of which died in the > > facility. Comboni Father Sebhat Ayele, secretary and spokesman of the Lango Religious > > Leaders Forum (LRLF), spent at least an hour on Friday afternoon with his > > consoeur Fernanda Pellizzer, a nurse, to gather information on the victims. > > Unfortunately it is still difficult to know exactly how many people died in > > Abia. The people in the Lango local language say âapol ataâ (âmany, incalculableâ > > ). An over all toll in fact seems premature. Fifty-some bodies have been > > identified, but independent sources from Abia believe the toll to be higher, > > given that many bodies were carbonised. It is not excluded that the victims are > > many more, considering that the displaced camp was populated by 8-thousand > > people, already for time surviving in unspeakable conditions from malnutrition > > and diseases such as malaria. On leaving the hospital, Fr. Sebhat, visibly > > emotional, stated: âIn face of this tragedy all we can do is pray that the > > people have the courage to continue livingâ. Meanwhile, Kony, a crazy visionary > > supported by Khartoum, continues terrorising the people of all the northern > > Ugandan districts, while the international community looks on in silence. > > (Translation of article by Fr. Giulio Albanese) > > [BO] > > > > UGANDA 7/2/2004 9:46 > > KITGUM: REBEL AMBUSH, VICTIMS > > General, Brief > > > > > > > > > > The rebels of the LRA (lordâs Resistance Army) yesterday killed four people > > in the North Ugandan district of Kitgum. The news was referred by MISNA > > sources, specifying that the ambush was carried out by the olum (âgrassâ, as the > > rebels are called in the Acholi language) in the location of Lomura, 17km > > north-west of Kitgum, along the road to Padibe. The victims, three civilians and > > a soldier, were travelling along the road on their bicycles, when the rebels > > at 10:00a.m. local time, suddenly opened fire. The same sources refer that > > the rebels stole the personal belongings of the victims; in particular they > > took the soldierâs weapon and ammunition. The olum, commanded by Joseph Kony, a > > crazy visionary backed by the Sudan government, continue to terrorise > > civilians of the northern Ugandan districts. Despite Khartoumâs firm denial of > > continuing support to the LRA, numerous testimonies of the civil society indicate > > the exact contrary. > > [BO] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the >people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It >thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to >repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by >extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." > >- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler
RE: ugnet_: { SPAM 1 }:Re: When the wife earns more-Anyomokolo
"WHAT DA HE..." Stars at mid-day, aha aha...
>From: Anyomokolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: ugnet_: { SPAM 1 }:Re: When the wife earns more-Anyomokolo
>Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 02:25:55 -0500 (EST)
>
>Ssenya wrote:
>
><>Ssenya>>
>
>Ssenya you are very thoughtful. I am always available. I am a rich woman and don't need any man to be responsible. Robert just let them know that I am a woman with lotsa rights and freedom; including the right to visually inspect and then use my natural measuring tape. And if they don't fit my size, I will tell them straight up, to tack their little penis back in their cheap khaki pants becuase I am large woman and they are too small for me. I will let them know that I don't deal with little and immature boys. I got a small body, but no man should be deceived. I am very selective becuase I know what I want. I am not going to restrict my choices becuase of culture and tradition. Culture and tradition can kyss my sweet, beautiful, black behind.
>
>After making myself very clear, the best part would be to watch it shrink as if I just zapped it with high voltage electricity. Zaaap
>
>Of course, if they fit my size, I will add them to my list.
>
>Robert and Ssenya, with that in mind, I wait to see which "fellow men" still "want to scatter their seeds with no responsibilities attached."
>Hey, I am always available.
>
>I am a grown woman and I know what is good for me. Call it "satanic hedonism", I don't care. Who said, women with "satanic hedonism" become infertile pregnant?
>
>Zzzp!
>
>A WOMAN'S POWER
>
>
>ssenya nyange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>Robert,
>
>Anyomokolo said:
>
> >I will get married when I find a man who lives with me as if he lives
> >alone. This would be my soul mate. If you are out there, contact. You and I
> >will get along well.
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>---
>
>There you go. INVITATION to lucky Robert. When you get the
>experience over there, advise your fellow men. There are so many who want to
>scatter their seeds with no responsibilities attached.
>
>Ssenya
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Anyomokolo
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Robert Owor , [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: { SPAM 1 }::Re: ugnet_: Re: When the wife earns more -
> >Anyomokolo
> >Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:26:58 -0500 (EST)
> >>
> >Humanity or no humanity, I don't care. Experience or no experience, I don't
> >care. Good or bad men and women, asurely don't give a damn. The bottom
> >line is I am grown woman and nobody is going to tell me, at least not at my
> >age, that marriage is good for me becuase I know what is good for me.
> >
> >Unlike many women who are raised in a culture that does not offer them this
> >opportunity, I am glad that I have absolute power and authority invested in
> >me to make my own decision whether I want to get married and spend the rest
> >of my life with a complete stranger or not.
> >
> >Women who feel marriage is where they would find happniness, should go
> >ahead and get married. Personally, the thought of it, marriage, alone makes
> >me feel like a real idiot. Personally, I will never give up my freedom in
> >exchange for a husband. For what? What good is it to me? What do I gain? I
> >don't joke with my freedom.
> >
> >Think about it, I can wake up anytime I want, go out when I want, come back
> >home when I want, make my own decision without worring about a complete
> >stranger, who all of sudden I have to live with for the rest of my life. I
> >can cook when I want, employee a house girl when I want, sleep all day if
> >chose to, blablablathe list is endless. Give up my freedom! I am not
> >that stupid.
> >
> >I am a woman who does not need money, love or anything for that matter from
> >any man except a child and it takes only ten seconds to ejaculate. Why
> >should I give my freedom for almost fifty years? Please! If the mailman
> >does not come around often enough, I will simply take my money from the
> >bank to the bank.
> >
> >Robert, what has this got to do with humanity and all the good and bad
> >women and men out there?
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >Robert Owor wrote:
> >Anyomokolo is really Molokony!
> >
> >Your experience in life Anyomokolo does not sum up the total experience
> >of humanity.
> >What you believe in is not necessarily right especially since your
> >reasoning has fundamental flaws.
> >
> >There are good women and bad women. There are good men and bad men.
> >There are good marriages and bad marriages. There happy single people
> >and sad single people. There happily married people and miserably
> >married people.
> >
> >Choosing to be single i
RE: ugnet_: Time for Acholis to Roll up Their Sleeves and Work -- Federalism
Buwembo, That article: utopia / dream / wishful thinking/ scorn/ derogation or what ever, is the most stupendously baseless and senseless piece to vandalise my lust for information for a long long time. RUBBISH!! rgds noc´l >From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Time for Acholis to Roll up Their Sleeves and Work -- Federalism >Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:56:49 -0800 (PST) > > > >E.Mulindwa & Members: > >After 18 years I believe and trust that the Acholis have by now rolled their sleeves and are pretty much working on their own to build an indepedent community. After listerning to Bishop Odama last week in Ottawa, I think the Acholi people have very much given up on what is called Uganda and it would be pretty silly for any of them to think they can still live in the so-called Uganda republic. It is up to the rest of Ugandans to decide where they want to be from now on...For the Acholis the game is up. > > >~ From an Acholi's perspective. > >This is why Acholi region needs to get federal. Acholi has been on her own without Uganda's help for 18yrs in this unworkable Unitary system. It's time for federalism in Uganda, right now for regions to develop. > >Zakoomu R. > > >Time for Acholis to Roll up Their Sleeves and Work - J. Buwembo > >Opinion - EastAfrican - Nairobi - Kenya > >Monday, February 2, 2004 > > > > > > >JOACHIM BUWEMBO Time for Acholis to Roll up Their Sleeves and Work Virtually everyone interested in Ugandan affairs, Joseph Kony inclusive, believes that the war in the north is about to end. Most LRA commanders who matter have been killed and the developments in Sudan indicate disaster for the rebels. By this time next year, the whole thing might be history. Of course the people who have the greatest stake in the imminent peace are those of the Acholi sub-region, which comprises the districts of Gulu, Kitgum and Pader. Having known no peace for 18 years, the people in the three districts who numbered slightly above one million out of the countrys 24.6 million people according to the 2002 census, now stand to benefit most from leading a normal life like the rest of the country. > > >But besides just enjoying peace, the Acholi people also have a new chance to make a take-off that would make Acholi the supermarket of Central and North Africa. > >Although they make up only four per cent of the population, the Acholi have well over 10 per cent of the countrys land area and many kilometres of the great river Nile with which they could do a lot of creative things. > > >Three additional factors among many give Acholi a unique opportunity to rise to prominence today. First is the areas strategic positioning between Southern Sudan and the rest of East Africa. Second is the sense of urgency its people should now feel to catch up with the rest of the country that has been growing for 18 years. And third, are the Acholi people in the Diaspora who have accumulated a wealth of skills and money. There is a joke which could well be true that the Acholi now have more PhDs per capita that any ethnic community in Africa. This is because many of them who have been streaming to exile for the past two decades have ended up studying and attaining high academic and professional qualifications in Europe and America. > >For immediate benefit, the Acholi should start growing tropical vegetables and fruits for sale in Sudan. Investors in the sub-region should quickly build decent motels for the many people who will be driving to Southern Sudan from the region and stopping over in Acholi before the final leg into Juba. Gulu international airport must get refurbished immediately. > > >For long-term development, the Acholi in the Diaspora who have been writing numerous media articles and running internet websites must go into real action. The time for being critics is over. Sitting back to criticise the government in Kampala is their right, but it is of less value than rolling up their sleeves and getting to work. An association of 1,000 Acholis in North America and UK alone can be the core of a powerful development engine if it is formed now. > > >By forgoing lunch for just a month, such a group can raise a million dollars as seed money to launch an Acholi development company. The things that can be done in Acholi in light of a peaceful neighbourhood are almost innumerable. > > >For a start, from the 1,000 Acholi Phds out there, a team can draw a plan for making the entire Nile river navigable. Who would oppose such a plan by people from whose country the river originates anyway? That way, the cheapest form of transport would be opened to send tropical garden produce to North Africa and the Middle East. Another team can design an artificial lake of about 1,000 squar
Re: ugnet_: Why young women date married men
Nyomnyonawee, Firstly, good continuation! Now, mates,is the Headline "Why young women date married men" reflecting a Ugandan situation or what?! Don't you dare insult the common sugar-honey situation of many Africans in Europe and around the world on the reverse order.Some W. Africans would see stars at mid-day as they spike-haired, battle to restore their blood pressure from Hell. They would say: "Heeey mn, mi luv mi wuu maaan! Mi don dig no Uganda bullshit waiting for resident permit laikaa ain't no woo around, man. Mi got my paper maaan and my dotter be beautiful, maaan!..Yuganan they wait for permit for years living in hell each time a police pass by. Mi I got my job maan! Iput mi luv where mi mouth tis!" Here in Sweden, the pivot appears balanced: just as many young boys with sugar mams as there are young girls with Sugar Dads. And then there are the LUCKY BORN LOVERS like us who always get the most BestS" JOYFICATE >From: Anyomokolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Why young women date married men >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:26:36 -0500 (EST) > > >Jonah, you are responsible for your own carelessness. Stop wondering how AIDS spread so fast and wrap a condom around it. > >Are you HIV positive? How did you get it? > >Anyomokolo > > >jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >and some people still wonder how AIDS spread so fast > > > >From: Anyomokolo > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Why young women date married men > >Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:02:34 -0500 (EST) > > > >I would chose to date a married man over single/unmarried guy becuase a > >single man would always want to control, dominate and own me. A married man > >is already controlling his wife. I don't want any man to control my life > >and freedom. Unlike these Makerere students, I have my own money and will > >never trade my freedom with $$$. I can have a married man and another, a > >regular one, on the side if I choose to. If the regular one begin to > >control my freedom, I will chuck him immediately. The married one will > >always be around while I look for another regular. > >So, to conclude, for me, a married man is a complete package. I can get > >what I want and maintain my freedom. I don't know about other women but my > >freedom is very important. > > > >My freedom is very important. Very important. Actually it is the reason I > >can't get married. > > > >Anyomokolo > > > > > > > > > >Owor Kipenji wrote: > > > >Why young women date married men > >By Muhwezi G. Bonge > >Jan 2 - 8, 2004 > > > > > >Most people including my self must be wondering why that cute lady that any > >man would love to have as his own is comfortably engrossed in the arms of a > >married man. > > > >Why she risks being found out by the wife of the man she is dating? It's > >much more than you think so let's take time to reflect on what that married > >man has that a bachelor doesn't. > >Faridah Nabagereka acting as Ashiraf Ssemwogerere's girlfriend in > >Gawandagala, Bat Valley theatre (Photo by Willy Tamale).Some ladies confess > >that usually married men can't admit that they are married but she later > >finds out when she has already given too much to leave him. There is a lot > >that ladies find in married men than you can imagine. > > > > > >Most ladies confess that they date married because married men give them > >security. Does this mean that youthful guys can't provide that security? > >The argument here is that although she knows he is married, she can count > >on him to be responsible and maintain her and his wife. When a woman is > >dating a married man, she does not have to worry about cheating after all > >the whole relationship is based on cheating. So she does it for fun. > > > >Usually a married man is mature and cares for her feelings more than the > >youthful men. For example when a married man takes her out he does those > >'small' things that really count like opening the door for her to sit, > >pulling the chair for her and even calling her after the date to know if > >she is feeling fine. More to that, women confess that married men are > >sincere and gentle. So guys take heed, if you think by not giving your all > >or by not showing your weaknesses, you are being a man. Wake up, you are > >missing the point. > > > >Married men usually have that financial superiority which sometimes, > >youthful men don't have and even if he is doing well financially, he can't > >take care of all her needs. > > > >Cynthia a second year student at Makerere university admits that she is > >currently dating a married man so that he takes care of her needs like > >food, airtime, service fee, mention it, but still maintains her boyfriend > >who completed last year and is working right now. Why is it that she > >doesn't ask such things from her boyfriend?
RE: ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] Re: 10,000 Amuka Fighters Training
Ssebbo, The right question is: HOW IS IT WITH THE PEOPLE OF THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN UGANDA? WHAT IS THEIR SITUATION OR THEIR UNDERSTANDING (perseption and interpretation) OF THE SITUATION AND, WHAT DO THEY SUGGEST WE SHOULD DO TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION THAT HAS BECOME? weballe noc´l >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Clement Okurut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] Re: 10,000 Amuka Fighters Training >Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:24:34 -0500 > >Again > >Do we have Konny in Northern/Eastern Uganda? > >Em > > The Mulindwas Communication Group >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > - Original Message - > From: Okwong-Okumu > To: Clement Okurut ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:34 PM > Subject: [Ugandacom] Re: 10,000 Amuka Fighters Training > > > Netters, > This is a set up to kill all abled bodied young men in East and Northern Uganda. Fighting Kony is only a lure to have these young men killed. > > For the young men, it is a way of earning a living, they hope; but it is a very short sighted hope that their loved ones will never be able to bury them properly when killed, let alone collect any death benefits. > > First the devil first impoverished the people, and brought them to a dehumanising level where they are ready to sell their soul fror a few pieces of worthless shillings, and then, he will slaughter them off. What epitaph can one write for these young souls, and where would one place it when there is no decent bury or grave site to hang it?. > >Aloysius. > - Original Message - > From: Clement Okurut > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:10 PM > Subject: RE: 10,000 Amuka Fighters Training > > > > > > > Matek: > > Never in Uganda's history as a nation, have so many people been employed in unending wars. The question is; how many have so far been kirrud? And how many more does Museveni want to kirru? Ugandan's who are enlisting to fight these war should know they are wasting their lives. They are not fighting hounorable wars. They will never have a memorial built in their hounor, nor will they ever be called heros for killing fellow citizens. > > They are simply optunistic hyenas who hope that they can get rich by slottering their own brotheren. Shame on us for accepting this as being innevitable. Shame on us for being convinced that a Rwandan refugee could do something good for our country. Shame on us for being so gullable > > Ok > > > > >This NRM move to arm and use civilians (under the so called Amuka Militia) >to fight NRM's wars in Northern and Eastern Uganda, should be condemned by >members of the International Community and Ugandans. > >A t the time when UN Secretary General, Koffi Annan, has openly lamented >about the proliferation of small arms in Africa which the UN secretary general >pointed out often leads to more armed conflicts, it is indeed depressing >to note that the NRM military regime in Kampala is in the process of arming >10,000 Tribal Militia Force to fight rebels. > >That the regime in Kampala could resort to training a militia force to fight >NRM wars, is in essence an admission on the part of the Regime that it >can no longer count on the UPDF to defend and protect the people of Uganda. > >Matek > > > > > > > >10,000 Amuka Fighters Training > > > >&nbs p; Email This Page > >Print This Page > >Visit The Publisher's Site > > > > > >New Vision (Kampala) > >December 8, 2003 >Posted to the web December 8, 2003 > >Denis Ocwich >Kampala > >The first batch of 10,000 anti-Kony fighters under the Amuka militia group in >Lango, have started training in Lira, youth state minister Okot - Ogong has >said. > >Okot, the overall co-ordinator of the Amuka campaign on Friday said: "We are >going to have a short but very comprehensive training." > > >He said the militia, who were recruited through the sub-county security >committees and elders, were being trained in! different locations at constituency >level. > >Army spokesma n, Maj. Shaban Bantariza yesterday said that the UPDF chief of >training and operations, Col. Muhesi, was in Lira to oversee the training. > >He said the Amuka fighters would be given guns and they would be under the >command of the army. > >"We are going to arm the whole of Lango," he said, but added that they would >begin with the worst hit areas in Lira, especially in Dokolo, Erute and Moroto >counties. > >Okot said after the fi
ugnet_: AMUKA
This is the development we anticipated, unfortunately. There is reason to stoop to check direction. Me think it is time enough to balance realism, idealism and empiricism. Matter of principal alone may not safe the people. There is reason for the Amuka and they have the Langi consensus. The LRA raised havoc there. The message from the Langi is clear. They will not sit and wait. They are aware that it is the responsibility of the government to provide protection and security. But, they are also aware that they are dealing with a peoples plight. Which is an emergency. Akut (Acute /emergency!?) has no law. Emergency personal (police, ambulance, etc., drive right through Red Lights, Zebra crossings etc). The proceeding point is, if the government provides protection, fine. If it does not, we cannot wait. That discussion can go parallel The result justifies the means. If they are able to up-root the Vampires it is OK. What is important is that the recruitment is restricted to certain categories only. Besides, there are tactical and strategical aspects that have not been outlined (for obvious reasons?!). Most people who are opposed to the Amuka are not asking all the correct questions. For example, they have not been told how the line-up is going to be, and, they are already spreading scares! Training the Amuka is one thing. Distributing jurisdiction is another. We must start to observe keenly what is going on and weigh it against what the people want. Why do you think Obote is not playing active (openly) role against the Amuka apart from subliminal comments? The Amuka is a good thing for the people by the people. What we should concern ourselves with is how to contain it and within what legal / constitutional parameters. If the constitutional base is not there, there is need to look at the constitution itself because this is now a reality. It is this reality we have to face not some concrete-legged politics. Some of the redundant youths along the pathetic verandas of Gulu Town could find better meaning and training that might become a career than playing cards. One or two might find meaning in defending his people. Besides, it deprives the LRA of pastures for some of its intelligence junks mingling along the streets, scaring and intimidating people. We cannot keep on crying over the governments failure while the Vampires spread dung. It is the plight of a people we are talking about. Not a development project or society development strategy. As I have always said, as long as the recruitment is restricted to certain categories only and within clearly defined praxis, it is worth looking at. I wrote long time ago at the very beginning that there was priority need for our leaders (local and nation) to restrain themselves in coordinating with their Langi and Atesot counterparts. It seems fairly clear that they did not give it a blinks moment. Now, the developments seem to be taking them unaware. If they had given it maximum priority, they would have resolved or understood the situation better. The amuka is well anchored. rgds noc'l gaumoyMSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: Greed that feeds terror:Madeleine Albright
You self!! That has been the tactics all along. The strategy is a Palestina state along sides Israel. Conquest if Iraq is merely the opening gambit in a compounded tactic. As said, to me, the strategy appears to be the establishment of a Palestinian state. BUT, one that is militarily, totally inferior and without any threat to Israel AND in a milieu that is totally neutralized. In clear context, neutralization of Islamism! Prior to democratisation / liberalisation of the Saudi Kingdom, another supply for oil was vital. Iraq offered the sacrifice. No soon was that accomplished than the Saudi Royals were made to understand that their status is no longer what it used to be: USA declared termination of their Military bases in Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately however, the Mesopotamian blood still flows through the veins of these heirs of Babylon Original. So, the modern well prosperous, liberal, democratic Iraq Republic that is intended to be the role- model state and lock beat to catalyse Arab liberalization has drawn over time. The formula seems simple: Let a CONGLOMERATION of modernized, liberalized and militarily neutralized Arab Republics be ARAB. And let the state of Palestina be P Now let the heirs of Isarael with superior military mite be I So what does Abdul the mathematician get?! ARAB= P + I That is mathematic Abudul so be warned Best rgds noc´l >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: Greed that feeds terror:Madeleine Albright >Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 05:34:51 EST > >Madeleine Albright also > >What did she do while she was President Billy Clinton's secretary of State? >Nothing... that is what!!! In Rwanda , for instance, Tutsis got massacred >in the hundreds of thousands, while Madam Secretary of State, Albright was >busy playing Washington Politics as usualand now it is the some woman >coming up with "Mambo jambo" about I hear the middle east. > >Matek > > > >In a message dated 11/27/2003 9:39:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Greed that feeds terror > > > > Washington must press for radical reform in Saudi Arabia if al-Qaida is to > > be defeated > > > > Madeleine Albright > > Thursday November 27, 2003 > > The Guardian > > > > Comment > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1093915,00.html > > > > If there is a central front in the war against terror, it is Saudi Arabia, > > not Iraq. > > > > If the battle there is lost, it will be because of a joint failure on the > > part of the Saudi royal family and the west, especially the US. If it is to be > > won, the worst habits of both must change. > > > > Saudi Arabia's direction matters because of its role as custodian of Islam's > > holy places, its status within the Arab world and its oil. A reformed Saudi > > Arabia could defeat terror at its roots. A radicalised Saudi Arabia could > > rock the global economy and destabilise the entire Middle East. > > > > The latter possibility remains unlikely, but is dire enough to demand > > serious attention. As the terrorist bombing of a housing complex in Riyadh earlier > > this month reflects, the House of Saud is besieged. > > > > Osama bin Laden has derided the regime as illegitimate, apostate, > > ineffectual in defending Arab interests, and a lackey of the US. These charges find > > echoes in the writings of western critics, whose sensationalist books portray > > Saudi leaders as greedy hypocrites funnelling money to terrorists while > > throwing wild parties that mock pretensions to piety. > > > > Domestically, the regime is facing pressure > > > > > Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Re: [AcoliForum] Acholi must explain who the rebels are! - Eresu
WOW!! Now this is something else. What is Hon. Eresu saying?! Pader gets invaded by Kony and his LRA vampyrer the same way as they have done in Gulu, Kitgum, Lango and Teso. And, Acoli must explain who the LRA are??? The LRA is the terror group which Uganda (The Parliament in which Eresu is a Legislator inklusiv) has molded for the last (17) years. Difference is, the curse came dazzling on their steps(ala Al-Qadir and the USA)? Perhaps Eresu would display better "the truth"as he puts it, if he addressed his ordeal to the Ugandan government to which he himself belongs? Nice weekend & thanksgiving hangover rgds noc´l >From: Towny James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [AcoliForum] Acholi must explain who the rebels are! - Eresu >Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:07:01 + (GMT) > >Eresu vows no apology >NO REMORSE: Eresu addressing a press conference at Hotel Equatoria in Kampala > >By Henry Mukasa >ARROW group militia deputy commander, John Eresu, has said he would not apologise for walking to Parliament with a gun. > >They (MPs) wanted me to apologise before I could explain. I said what sort of Parliament is this where everybody orders me to apologise. It became a crowd, Eresu said. > >Eresu who is also Kaberamaido MP stunned Parliament on Wednesday when he claimed that the invaders in Teso are from Pader District. He insisted at a press conference he had called to enumerate the achievements of the Arrow Group at Hotel Equatorias Dinners choice restaurant on Friday that the rebels come from Pader. He said its up to people from Pader to point out who the rebels are but wouldnt apologise. > >Apologise for what? They (invaders) came from Pader. Is that not a fact? We must tell the truth if we want to get a solution to the rebellion. Those people must explain who the rebels are, Eresu said. > >When the legislator made the allegation several MPs heckled him and some ordered him to sit down. Prof. Ogenga Latigo (Agago) protested saying the remark was insensitive and Deputy Speaker Rebecca Kadaga ordered him to withdraw it but he walked out of the chambers. He now claims he only left Parliament to drink water. > >He also criticised Lango MPs for leading a boycott of Parliament. He said Kony doesnt pay heed to passive resistance as practised by Mahatma Ghandi. He urged the Lango MPs to strengthen the Arrow Group replica, Amuka (Rhino group) and join combat. > >The only language Kony understands is the gun, Eresu who was flanked by Arrow Group spokesman, Joseph Ssewava Mukasa said. > >Ssewava later handed over a CD-ROM and diskette to Eresu to symbolise the launch of the Arrow Group website, www.arrow.ne.ug which will give regular updates on the operation against LRA rebels. > >Eresu said the website will save people from depending on rumours. He said because of the success of the Arrow Group operations, many residents were returning to their homes and all schools would open next term. >Ends > >Published on: Sunday, 23rd November, 2003 > > > >- >Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to WIN Robbie Williams "Live At Knebworth DVD" Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Apt lesson for our tyrants (like Musevenic!)
No Owor, that is short cut! It is deeper than that. It is among others because we are UGANDAN at very low level of political evolution(a situation we share with the rest of the so called Thirdworld). Our people do not even know their own rights to defend neither do they know how to vote. We are many hundred years behind. Imagine we have not even reached the level pertaining to fundamental ideological bases despite the NRM's "efforts" to establish class faculties. What would have become Ugandan business & industrial class have precipitated into a plutocratic slag. Secondly, his own personality played a roll to ease for the take over. Recall that he was the architect behind what later evolved to become Gorbachov's Perestroika. So, it comes down to what I usually say "our leaders still come from among us". We must make a better "US" to eventually have better leaders. Mr Shevardnadze was able to overcome his libido and swallow his pride we the truth came dazzling on his face. Power always corrupt and power always confer certain privileges. In Africa power corrupts COMPLETELY. rgds noc´ >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Apt lesson for our tyrants (like Musevenic!) >Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:14:50 + (GMT) > >Can you provide the leadership?.In Georgia,they had a leader who >rallied them to rise.In Uganda we still have many managers who are >wallowing in their comfort zones. >Therein lies the difference why Ugandans will never rise against Mu7. >Thank you. >Kipenji. >== > >Y Yaobang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >Ugandans, why are you not rising up now against dictator Musevenic? It's your turn, the Georgians did it > >y > > > > > > > > > >From: Owor Kipenji > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: ugnet_: Apt lesson for our tyrants > >Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:14:18 + (GMT) > > > >Editorial > > > >Wednesday, November 26, 2003 > >- > >Apt lesson for our tyrantsWhen he was President Mikhail Gorbachev's Foreign Minister - just before the Soviet Union broke up into tens of independent republics - Eduard Shevardnadze was among the world's most respected statesmen. > >But, apparently, power corrupts. During the 12 years that he has served as president of Georgia, he has come to epitomise political corruption and misrule. > >History will not condemn him as harshly as it has done his fellow Georgian, Josef Djugashvilli Stalin, under whose tyranny millions of dissidents were murdered. > >Mr Shevardnadze is accused merely of massive rigging of the presidential election machine so as to perpetuate himself in power over deepening corruption and a slumping economy. > >This would, nevertheless, have been a mortal sin if committed by the very man whose vow has always been complete de-Stalinisation and thorough political and economic liberalisation of the Georgian Republic. > >He precipitated the crisis, not only by the rigging but, more immediately, by denying it, refusing to order an investigation and - in a manner uncharacteristic of the self-effacing Shevardnadze the world used to know - thumping his chest with the declaration that he would never step down. > >It was only after it became apparent that many of his security forces were moving over to the opposition that he saw the need to quit. This was, indeed, the saving grace, a reminder of the old Shevadrnadze. > >Mr Shevardnadze admitted that, after this security split, any attempt to assume military power would have resulted in a bloodbath. Many a tyrant would have ignored this terrible possibility, dug in his heel, and landed his country in a holocaust. > >He nearly did it. And it is an excellent lesson to Africa's many tyrants who choose to continue with the bootblack long after their power base has been destroyed beyond repair. > >Comments\Views about this article > > > > > > > >- > >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger > > > >- >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug > >- >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Is it LUMUMBA?!
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ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] Army Knew of Ngetta attack - Col. Mugume
Shiit! This is the same negligence as that previously displayed at Lacor /Lukwiyakare in Gulu. I know Ngetta a little bit from my short time at Comboni. This is a location only five (5!!) miles from Lira Town. I recall the road there was also terraced. It should take a willing army only five minutes to get there, poooh!! noc´l >From: "Elum aniap Godfrey Ayoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Ugandacom] Army Knew of Ngetta attack - Col. Mugume >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:22:31 +0100 > >Army knew of Ngetta attack - Col. Mugume >By Emma Mutaizibwa & Joe Wacha >Nov 24, 2003 > > LIRA - Fifth Division commander Col. John Mugume has said the army knew about the attack on Ngetta in which 12 civilians were killed. > > "We were informed about the attack on Ngetta," Mugume told an angry President Museveni at the weekend. > > Museveni expressed his anger at the killing in Ngetta on Friday while meeting Lango cultural leaders at Lira Hotel. > > The cultural leaders accused the army of failing to beat off the attack despite receiving prior information. > > Museveni summoned Col. Mugume and the Operation Iron Fist Intelligence Officer Lt. Col. Otema Awany to the meeting to respond the accusations. Mugume admitted the army received warning reports about the attack. > > Mugume said the army deployed at Ngetta. "The army was a distance away from the home where the massacre occurred," he lamented. > > He conceded however, that the army has been slow in responding to rebel attacks. > > "We get information but our response is not timely," he said. > > Museveni asked Mugume to coordinate with local leaders when deploying in anticipation of rebel attacks. "It's not enough to deploy and not to inform the local leaders. You should have asked the local leaders to pinpoint the area where the LRA would use to infiltrate the area," Museveni said. > > The President gave Shs 3.6 million to the bereaved families. Meanwhile, one rebel involved in the massacre was captured. > > The child soldier told a gathering on Thursday that he was ordered by his commander Lamola to kill two civilians. > > The divisional army spokesperson Lt. Chris Magezi yesterday confirmed the child soldier was captured. > > "The rebels who attacked Ngetta were ordered to kill two people each," he said. > > Magezi said that four rebels were captured in last week's fighting. "One of them we captured is Vincent Otti's wife Aryemo Alice," Magezi said. > > > > > > >"And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, 'When will you be satisfied?' We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities (.) No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream". (Martin Luther King, 1964 Nobel Peace prize laureate, assassinated for his struggle) MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] Miss Uganda
Ed, Just being curious; the name seems Islamic to me. Do they also fancy this kind of show?! joyficate >From: "Ed Kironde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Ugandacom] Miss Uganda >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:21:19 -0700 > > >Ayisha Nassanga Miss Uganda. They wanted to deny her the title sying >that she has a Senegalese dad. I dont care what they say, shes >agreeably drop-dead cute > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 11/10/2003 > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Re: [AcoliForum] 34 Lango, Acholi MPs 'quit' House
Matek, This is 2003, I do not want to be the one to nauseate my people by IDIOT DECLARING them. Me think your are calling a wrong number. Direct it to the people at home. Tell them they are liars. Tell them the LRA does not exist. Tell the MPs. How many times do I have to tell you that I both perceive and recognize that IT IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION OF THE GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE TO PROVIDE PROTECTION TO THE CITIZEN. We do converge there. But some subliminal Vampire agenda works against that providence. They extend the definitions to include unreasonable and unrealistic domain thus, frustrating convergence. How does LUWERO belong? We are concerned with de facto status quo. Otherwise, you may as well say that the LRA are doing great job simply because their initial conviction had some values. International community, yes, I NOTICE THAT EACH TIME THEY FOCUS ON THE STATUS QUO (these days almost everyday on TV 4, Sweden), THEY ALSO PUT THE BLAME ON THE LRA. How have you failed to pick that fact? So while the international community now is keen to elude blame for yet another miss (ala Rwanda), they are concrete on the LRA part. Best rgds Noc´l gaumoy >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: [AcoliForum] 34 Lango, Acholi MPs 'quit' House >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 06:13:32 EST > >In a message dated 11/20/2003 4:43:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Those Langi leaders know what is expected of them. We have always > > emphasized the need for coordinated and integrated action against the LRA Vampires. > > > > > > > > May the beginning continue tills the LRA is chased and genuine peace is > > achieved! > > > > Noc´l gaumoy > > > > > >Ladit Noc : > >I still see you have tightly held on to this notion that it is the so called >LRA "rebels" who killing our people. You refuse to accept (for some reason >known only to you) that may be ... just may be it is NOT the LRA killing >people in Northern and Eastern Uganda. > >You refuse to accept that given the precedent set by the NRA in LUWERO of >killing UPC chairman as well as UPC supporters when Museveni was fighting the > democratically elected, UPC Government that may be Yoweri Museveni's >UPDF/NRA are engaged in their some old dirty tricks... of killing people >and blaming other for the killings. > >In anycase, Like I have stated time and time again, it is the responsibility >of the Regime in Kampala to protect our people. The regime , as a matter of >fact, has failed in this regard in spite of numerous propaganda pronouncements > from the NRM which tends to paint a rather optimistic picture that the NRA >is winning the war in Northern Uganda. Indeed this fact is now pretty much >obvious to the people of Uganda and to members of the International >community. > > >Matek Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Re: [AcoliForum] 34 Lango, Acholi MPs 'quit' House
THIS IS A CRAZY WORLD WE LIVE IN. One mans death should not be the other ones glee. So is not now either. Still, it is hard to miss the matter of fact, the irony that just the LRA incursion in Teso and Lango triggered this subsequent gutting-up/ rude awakening. Otherwise, our own Virtual Reality politicians in their tunnel perspectives and simulator politics would never have amounted, ph!! Those Langi leaders know what is expected of them. We have always emphasized the need for coordinated and integrated action against the LRA Vampires. May the beginning continue tills the LRA is chased and genuine peace is achieved! Noc´l gaumoy The MPs has started being serious. Winner, Got Okaka Distinguished Service (GODS) Awards, 2002/2003 > >An Ocaka > - Original Message - > From: Towny James > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:01 PM > Subject: [AcoliForum] 34 Lango, Acholi MPs 'quit' House > > > 34 Lango, Acholi MPs 'quit' House > By Emma Mutaizibwa & Elias Biryabarema > Nov 20, 2003 > > To meet Museveni today > > KAMPALA - About 30 lawmakers yesterday walked out of Parliament to protest the war in northern Uganda. > > The MPs from Lango sub-region led the way. They walked out soon after Dr Okulo Epak (Oyam South) read out a grim interim report on the humanitarian and security situation in Lango. Epak is the chairman of the Lango Parliamentary Group. > > MPs from Teso and Acholi followed shortly after. The Deputy Speaker, Ms Rebecca Kadaga, was presiding. > > In all, 34 MPs walked out - vowing not to return to Parliament until something is done to improve the security situation in Acholi, Lango and Teso sub-regions. > > About two million people have been displaced and forced into camps for the internally displaced that dot northern Uganda. > > Thousands of civilians have been killed and more than 20,000 people have been abducted since 1996, according to various UN and humanitarian agencies. > > Abducted girls are forced to 'marry' rebel commanders, while the boys are turned into fighters for the rebel Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) led by Mr Joseph Kony. > > The LRA has been fighting President Yoweri Museveni's government since 1988, although the initial insurgency in northern Uganda started in August 1986. > > The rebels last June spread their attacks into Teso - areas in northeastern Uganda where they had never operated before. > > Grim report > > Epak's report painted a grim picture of the situation in Lango. He said that much as the Langi gave up rebellion in 1987, peace has eluded them. > > He said the LRA rebels and Karimojong cattle rustlers have continued to sow mayhem in the area. > > "[The] UPDF and the auxiliary forces who should protect wananchi have invariably been deployed elsewhere, in particular to the DRC and the west. And up to now a number of them can't even be traced," he said. > > Epak said that the government has failed to restore peace in the north. He said many parliamentary reports and MPs' recommendations on how to end the war have been largely ignored. > > "We are temporarily withdrawing our active participation in the programmes of Parliament. For God and my country," Epak said. > > Silence descended on the House after Epak's submission. MPs then rose in big numbers and urged Ms Kadaga to suspend the day's proceedings. > > Mr Ogenga Latigo (Agago) said the walkout by the Langi put Acholi MPs in an awkward situation. He too walked out of the parliamentary chambers followed by other Acholi MPs. > > Sympathisers from Buganda such as Mr Latif Ssebagala and Mr Ken Lukyamuzi also walked out - in apparent solidarity. > > Kadaga acts tough > > The debate that followed in the House was passionate. Kadaga tried to calm things down. > She promised to work with the executive to resolve the crisis. > > But Mr James Mwandha (PWD Eastern) called for the suspension of the House's proceedings. > > "In Africa if a person is aggrieved you grieve with him," he said. "These [Langi MPs] are fellow legislators. Until we come out with tangible remedial concerns we shouldn't go on. The tempers have to cool down." > > He took a swipe at ministers who blindly defend government. Scores of other MPs put up spirited arguments for the suspension of proceedings. > > "You shouldn't treat concerns of Lango MPs as if they are lovey-dovey," Maj. John Kazoora (Kashari) said. "We are in a dilemma as a result of this crisis. So we should suspend debate." > > Mr Fred Ruhindi (Nakawa) asked MPs to go and camp in the war-torn areas like President Museveni has done. > > He asked for two months of adjournment. > > Minister's appeal > > The Minister in the Vice President's Office, Mr Adolf Mwesige, urged members not to suspend business. > > "The solution to this problem is not waiving parliamentary business. This is the only forum to discuss and find a solution," he said. > > Kadaga undertook to
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Re: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: Talk to Kony, UK Tells Govt
Quite correctly we are in tune on this matter. But I observe United Nations under-secretary Jan Egeland said : "The UN was prepared to fund and encourage peace talks with the LRA..The UN has taken a very pro-active stance in resolving conflicts elsewhere in the world". In another article that Owor sent, the same individual says the UN is only there for humanitarian purposes and would not indulge in dialogue mellan the Ugandan government and the LRA. So, which is which? The same individual both kindles and extinguishes hopefantastic!! My guess is that there is conflict between his UN official holding in this conflict (pro-government) and his conscience based on face to face confrontation with the reality of our Northern nightmare. I agree that The problem is: "..getting LRA decision-makers and/or Kony himself to the negotiating table.." noc´l >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: Talk to Kony, UK Tells Govt >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:40:33 EST > > >Noc: > >The NRM "government" is responsible for the upkeep and security of all the >people of Uganda. This includes Northerners, Easterners, Westerner, Southerner. >Accordingly everything move must be taken by the "government" to bring the >eighteen years of suffering of our people to a speedy end. > >Whereas we Ugandans must welcome the move by the UK in which the UK is >calling for the Ugandan NRM "government" to resolve the nightmare in Northern >and (now eastern Uganda) peacefully, some of us are of the view that the >UK should have come up with this sort of pressure on the regime in Kampala >some 5,10 or 15 years agoperhaps then many lives and property would have >been saved in Northern Uganda; and the sense of desperation now being >experience by the majority of our people would have been minimized. Nonetheless >better late then never. > >It however, it remains to be seen as to whether the NRM military >dictatorship will heed calls by one of it's staunch allies to engage the so >called LRA rebels in peace talks. > >On the other hand, some of us are still concern that the War Monger in >Washington, DC... Yes you guess it the Republican President George W. Bush of the US >is still offering Yoweri Museveni weapons and funds to continue on with the >war in Northern and Eastern Uganda. It is as if President Bush wants is happy >when he sees more Ugandans suffering in the North and now Teso land. > >Peace. > >Matek > > > > >In a message dated 11/13/2003 4:06:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > > A lot is hollered about "talking to Kony" and the rest of the nonsense. Talk > > to Kony HOW? And, considering the atrocities and Terrorist methods, we may > > have to re define the variety of the "DIALOGUE" suitable. > > > > The whole "TALK TO KONY" scenario is threatening to become a BABY SITTER > > situation. AND TIME TICKS ON. EACH DAY INVITE YET ANOTHER DAY and our people > > continue to SURVIVE BY CHANCE in those filthy doggy Camps. > > > > Kony or the LRA or whatever, should first have a "TALKABLE" structure not > > least in action and strategy. > > > > > > > > Some good Samaritan should come out with workable extract. The Vampires > > just do not have any!!! > > > > The government must act. Either by resolutely showing it's mite or (I > > don't know, don't ask me. All I know is that the government has to act and, > > thereby quick!!) > > rgds > > > > > > > > > > noc´l > > > > > > > > > Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Talk to Kony, UK Tells Govt
A lot is hollered about "talking to Kony" and the rest of the nonsense. Talk to Kony HOW? And, considering the atrocities and Terrorist methods, we may have to re define the variety of the "DIALOGUE" suitable. The whole "TALK TO KONY" scenario is threatening to become a BABY SITTER situation. AND TIME TICKS ON. EACH DAY INVITE YET ANOTHER DAY and our people continue to SURVIVE BY CHANCE in those filthy doggy Camps. Kony or the LRA or whatever, should first have a "TALKABLE" structure not least in action and strategy. Some good Samaritan should come out with workable extract. The Vampires just do not have any!!! The government must act. Either by resolutely showing it's mite or (I don't know, don't ask me. All I know is that the government has to act and, thereby quick!!) rgds noc´l >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Talk to Kony, UK Tells Govt >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:22:48 EST > >Talk to Kony, UK Tells Govt > > > > Email This Page > >Print This Page > >Visit The Publisher's Site > > > > > >The Monitor (Kampala) > >November 12, 2003 >Posted to the web November 12, 2003 > >Walakira Geofrey & Emma Mutaizibwa >Kampala > >Britain wants government to hold peace talks with the Lord's Resistance Army >rebels. > >"The government in UK has acknowledged the suffering in northern Uganda >caused by the LRA rebels," said Mr Jon Elliot, the deputy British High Commissioner >to Uganda. "I think the war effort has failed; what the country should resort >to is to pursue peace talks." > >Elliot was speaking at the Uganda Human Rights Commission headquarters in >Kampala on November 7. > >The diplomat decried the deepening humanitarian crisis in the camps for the >internally displaced in the war-torn areas of the country and pledged his >government's help to the displaced persons. > > > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Fwd: [Ugandacom] IS THIS LEGAL? (LOK ENO...!)NOC´L
Eno ba wun kakka! >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Rwanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Ugandacom] IS THIS LEGAL? >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:17:46 -0500 > >Fingerprints for US visas > >By Alfred Wasike >IN another bid to combat international terrorism, the United States government has directed all its embassies to scan and collect fingerprints from people applying for US visas. > >The US embassies in Uganda and Nigeria are the first countries in Africa out of at least 200 US embassies worldwide, where the ultra-modern scanning systems have been installed. > >All US embassies must implement the new regulations by October 26, 2004. > >"Uganda is among the first five or six countries worldwide where this project is being implemented to increase security against terrorism globally. > >We have received the equipment from Washington D.C and started scanning applicants last Thursday," Mike Gonzales, the deputy public affairs officer at the US embassy in Kampala said as he took The New Vision on a guided tour of the visa office yesterday. > >He said, "The strategy follows a law passed by the US Congress that requires biometrics indicators (biological information) like eye ball and finger scans in addition to others like specifically taken photographs from the applicants. > >But here we shall use the finger scans among other requirements." > >"The tip of the right index finger must be placed right in the centre of that red box for a few seconds after which the left index finger is also positioned in the same place for the scan. It takes about 20 seconds and does not involve ink or anything that can make an applicant's fingers dirty," Gonzales said. > >Published on: Thursday, 30th October, 2003 > > The Mulindwas Communication Group >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Rebels Abduct Movement Official
Hmm, even the rebels camping place is known?!?!?!? noc´l >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Rebels Abduct Movement Official >Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:27:12 EST > >Rebels Abduct Movement Official > > > > Email This Page > >Print This Page > >Visit The Publisher's Site > > > > > >The Monitor (Kampala) > >October 24, 2003 >Posted to the web October 24, 2003 > >Patrick Elobu Angonu >Soroti > >The Movement Chairman of Kalaki Sub County in Kaberamaido was abducted by >rebels of the Lord's Resistance Army on Wednesday. > >Mr Albert Ejoku, the district secretary for defence said Mr John Ejoku was >abducted together with his seven children. "As we speak now we don't know the >fate of Mr Ejoku after he was abducted with seven of his children," Ejoku told >The Monitor in Soroti town. He said the rebels also attacked Bululu Trading >Centre at 2 a.m and stole merchandise. > >He said the rebels who are camping in Oyomai village in Kalaki also abducted >two people. Meanwhile, several Arrow boys in Kaberamaido emerged unhurt when >the Tata lorry LG 0077-44 they were travelling in was hit by a speeding Volvo >Gateway bus UAD 009B. > >The lorry was crossing Soroti town main street on Wednesday. Police said the >bus had the right of way. Soroti OC Station, ASP Obela said no one died but >the lorry driver, one Sande, was hurt. > > > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: PARDON ....URSÄKTA!!!
By mistake a posting that was only intended for Acoliforum and ACHOLINET slipped away to wrong addresses (Ugandacom & Ugandanet). Sorry & forgive me for the inconveniences. Best regards noc´lProtect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Re: WHY THE SENSATION, Dr. Latigo hinted?!
Roberto, itye kawaco ningo kaa? Tika watye kalok ikom gin acel?! Kwan coc na ento pedong tek ineno nyinga ci ineno lakalatwe woko cut ki dyer ceng! Isnt there a conflict between you and I? Answering you is becoming a culture. It has become obvious that you and I belong to different poles in the Acoli peace issue. That answers also your last part of the question about attending meetings. Was it not rather self-explanatory that I would not attend?! I have my reasons and I do not want to bring it here. However, as regards this last piece, I will attempt all the same, if only for its sake. You wrote: ..Mr Latigos so called hint or notice was not at all news . Quite precisely! So, what is your problem? You are stating exactly what I mean. It was not news. What did Acoli PEOPLE IN POSITION do to have those leaders explain their positions? You said,.. People have reacted with a strong rejection not because they have been taken unaware! Who implied the contrary? Mate, you have not yet understood my piece. Revisit!! People have reacted very strongly against what or who Have you not yet understood that before you impulsively respond to a piece, you have to first grasp the context? You said, ".at a time when the majority of Acoli people are not in a position to stand, argue for or defend the true value of their land?" Who is talking about the majority of Acoli and their incapability? Re-visit!!! Atamo ni kiwaci wa ni LUTELA (OBS) mogo. Me medo iwiye, cokcok ni bene kiwaco ni Lutela mogo gubedo ikin joo ma gucoyo tam pa Salim ni. We do have LUTELA, don´t we? Those are the ones I am refering to. Tim megi mape atir. Pardon me if I did not transpire that clearly enough. There is reaction to the SSP and reaction to LUTELA Watye ki freedom of association. Lwongo ma luyub ne AN aneno ni obedo kilong KI TUNG BOTA pe aoo iye. So simple is it. Ento, in bene ingeyo keni kit ma guti society tye kwede I Sweden kany!! I do not need to be there in person to know. Apwoyo dok acwalo mot Noc´l >From: Robert Bwomono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Culture, Peace and A Sustainable Future" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: WHY THE SENSATION, Dr. Latigo hinted?! >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:20:33 +0100 > >Ladit Laduma, > >You should have really attended the meeting with the representatives in >person. You will have understood that Mr Latigos so called hint or >notice was not at all news and that the express rejection or land >sensation of the SPP, as you put it, could not have been a reaction to >the hint or the piecemeal by piecemeal notice. > >People have reacted with a strong rejection not because they have been >taken unaware! > >Havent you yet understood that land issue, particularly in Acoli is >under implementation at a time when the majority of the acoli people are >not in a position to stand, argue for or defend the true value of their >land? That is why you may see the land sensation. Otherwise, acoli >has always been more than capable of developing their land. Dont you >live in a country where land issue is more important than the lives that >treads it? > >Pingo in mono jwi ikutu bila dwar ma in komi nongo bene pe obedo tye i >kaka meno? > > >/Robert > >-----Original Message- >From: Culture, Peace and A Sustainable Future >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:56 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: WHY THE SENSATION, Dr. Latigo hinted?! > >I believe one other problem is prejudice. Perhaps that too is a reason >why Acoli is more often than not caught unaware. Like for example, this >LAND SENSATION. > >What is sensational is that so many people are taken unaware. Our MPs >and local leaders have for long been displaying incohessivness and >ego-centrist impulsivity. > >Take for example MP Odonga eller Adonga who was here in Sweden a few >weeks ago with the Bishop. First he supported the Amuka inspired LDU >only to turn around when an overwhelming opinion against the same gained >momentum. Now again as an APG prominent, he knew even while he was on >his visit to Sweden, the standpoint of our leaders on the Salim Sale´s >Land agenda. Yet, while here, he faked no knowledge. I conclude so >because, if he did not know by then, then something must be very sick >with the APG. > >Lukkaka, open your ears. Do not be blinded by personal conflict and >prejudice. If we all were attentive enough, Prof. Dr. Latigo brought to >our notice a few weeks ago what he perceived as eminent support of Salim >Sale´s agenda by Acoli leaders from Kitgum. If peo
Re: ugnet_: From Acholinet-Very Serious
Mate Ed Kironde, Which one are you talking about? There is settlement and there is settlement! I too, think and believe that any Ugandan can formally settle in any part on our Ugandan soil. However there are settlements and settlements. Check out that demarcation membrane. You know, so Security Camps or Protected Villages (what ever the epithet) are settlements too. There is the Host and the in comer. Here, the Host is the state or Movement regime. In the other cases you refer to, it is the institution of the community concerned in agreement with the legitimate national Land regulation who is the Host or Tenant. How is it in other parts of Uganda? What does the constitution say? Do the Kingdoms have any delegated authority? If some one comes to your home and request to purchase some piece of land from you to settle on is different from if the same individual comes to you, Chases you out of your compound and takes over your house or build his own on your compound. Or do you see the two cases as legally identical? Say if the Acoli that have settled else where in Uganda in fluxed those parts of Uganda outside Acoli region while simultaneously the tribe concerned (erg. Baganda) are confined to State controlled Camps, would they have accepted it? People have always settled elsewhere. But a State organized transformation as such is not the same thing. If you know Gulu, you would know that the kind of Hospitality Ugandan stretch to each other already existed in Acoli just as in Kampala at Namuwongo, Wabigalu, Kibuli, Naguru etc., osv. In Bukedi, the Itesot are almost more that native Badama (Jophadola). In Gulu you have Kirombe, Kasubi, Kanyagoga etc, which are predominantly Bantu-Acoli areas. The issue in question is of a different sort. Your argument is about the sort freedom of Ugandaness, settlement and amalgamation that already exist. In other words, your argument is out of context. Lets put things within perspective. The correct approach is to first repatriate the HOST TRIBE to their legitimate land (areas). There after can they legally or formally welcome settlers according to in statute land acquisition procedures. As asked, what does the constitution say? In Buganda for example, can any body just settle on some one elses land or claim any piece of Land merely because he is Ugandan too?! How is the process there? One more thing, are you not counting Internally displaced Acoli refugees among those "Acoli that have settled outside Acoli district"? Best regards Noc´laduma GauKironde, >From: "Ed Kironde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: From Acholinet-Very Serious >Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:26:42 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) > > > I think Acholis will be the first to say that them being Ugandans too, can >freely live anywhere in Uganda, - it will be reciprocated too that other >ethnic tribes in Uganda, can freely live in Acholi if they so choose. > >Any Acholi who would object to a Munyoro or Munyankole settling in >Acholiland must think twice since there are many Acholis today who call land >outside Acholi as home. >In my response to Muniini's article to the effect of Bakiga settling in >Bunyoro, Acholi was my number one choice for those encroaching Bakigas. >Otherwise where is the Ugandannes if we question who settles where? >The more we identify ourselves as Baganda who live in Buganda, Acolis who >live in Acholi land, or Basoga, Bagishu, etc, we further call for the need >to review the colonial legacy of of a mixed Uganda with people who have >nothing in common. > >---Original Message--- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Thursday, October 23, 2003 04:56:56 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: From Acholinet-Very Serious > >I still read acholinet from a friend. I happen to see this today. I would >like to know what other Ethnic groups in Uganda think about this. I >personally think that acholis are too demoralized to do anything. >Lutimba Matuvo what do you think about this? You always say that it is Kony >who is not interested in peace settlement. How do you defend this below? >__ >Lukaka, >President Museveni have taken initiatives to "Make proper use of Acholi >land" on the 4-11-2003, there will be debate in Uganda parliament to >transfer "Bakiga Ethnic Group" to settle them in Acholi land. The Government >of Uganda by Constitution owns the land in the country including the Land in >Acholi. > >The "Bantu MP" are all positive and motion will definitely get a majority >and implementation will start. This information comes from the inner core in >the parliament of Uganda. Public debate will take place on the above date. > > > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is ho
Re: ugnet_: MONITOR CHAT ROOM
Omwami Ed, You should have started with Kalema who left Kabaka Yekka(?!). However, it is fairly obvious that the UPC is threatening to become so. It is a "natural" phenomenon of "sitting for keeps", so to say. >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: ugnet_: MONITOR CHAT ROOM >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:59:33 -0400 > > Netters > > Mwaami kyomu has asked an intriguing question. If UPC is a very tribal party, how did the Rwanyarares the Muwangas The Tiberondwas the Kalule Ssetala become big shots yet the President was a Langi? > > Just thinking out loud. > > Em > > > >-- > > HAVE ANY OF YOU REALISED THAT THE NEW VISION IS NO LONGER ACCESSIBLE TO INTERNATIONATIONAL VIEWERS, WORSE SO IF YOU WANT TO POST COMMENTS ON THEIR DISCUSSION FORUMS. > THE LAS T POST I PUT UP WAS TO DO WITH ALL PRESIDENTS BEING KILLED FOR THOSE THEY KILLED AND DID NOT PREVENT FROM BEING KILLED. AT THAT GAME M7 TURNS OUT TO BE THE GREATEST UGANDAN CRIMINAL FOR ALL THE NORTHERNERS HE IS LETTING BE KILLED. > I USED TO BE ONE OF HIS GREATEST FANS BUT I'LL HAVE TO GRANT UPC THE TITLE FOR BEING THE LEAST REALISTIC PARTY IN UGANDAN HISTORY (GUYS LIKE RWANYARARE, MWANGA, TIBERONDWA WERE VERY BIG SHOTS UNDER OBOTE). UNDER THIS PARTY YOU CAN'T NAME A SINGLE BIG GUY NOT FROM THE WEST OR VERY CLOSE TO THE "BORDER" > DON'T FALL FOR THE FEDERO TRAP BECAUSE IT'S ALL THAT IT IS... A TRAP[color=darkblue][/color] > > SORRY I DID NOT MEAN "PAST PRESIDENTS BEING KILLED" BUT RATHER BEING JUDGED FOR THOSE THEY KILLED OR DID NOT PREVENT FROM BEING KILLED... > > Kyomu > > The Mulindwas Communication Group >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Mother kills daughter over lover
This kind of sharing diet between and within family is not unusual, really. I hear in the west there, they eat the cake left and right, no big deal. But killing ones own daughter, h, I tend to agree with you that something is very wrong. But then again upon second thought, this woman (mother) could be argued to be acquiring a "modern perspective" from her otherwise "jealousy-free" tradition of dieting. She has decide to modern-up and own / hoard her lover. Hence. jealousy, aha aha aha noc´l >From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Mother kills daughter over lover >Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:04:59 + > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.--- Begin Message --- What kind of people are these? "backward" ,"beasts" ,biological insects" or simply innocent Ugandans reduced to such primitive methods due to the abject poverty brought in by the "Clear lined leadership" of the day? gook . Mother kills daughter over loverBy Robert MuherezaOct 2, 2003 KABALE A mother in Ibumba Village, Rwamucucu sub-county, battered her daughter to death recently. She accused the daughter of getting intimate with her man. "This is beyond human imagination. How can a mother and a daughter share the same man? Anyway, even if it happens it was not right for the woman to kill her own daughter," the area LC-III chairman, Mr Besigye Kyerere, said. The Kabale Police Commander, Mr Martin Amoru, said the mother has been arrested. He identified the accused as Ms Allen Tumwiine, 38, and the deceased as Phionah Nsiime, 14, a primary five pupil. Kyerere said that mother and daughter first clashed early this year but the village council intervened. Their man was expelled from the village. "I was personally shocked when Miriyano [boyfriend] resurfaced in his former lovers [Allen] home," he said. Kyerere said things got worse when the said boyfriend gave the daughter Shs 500 for a snack at school. "When the girl told the mother about the offer, the mother got hold of her and started beating her till she died. I am now taking her body for burial after the postmortem?," he said. © 2003 The Monitor Publications Gook "You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."- Malcom X MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug --- End Message ---
ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] GULU: MILITARY ARRESTS 17 WIVES OF LRA REBEL GROUP FOUNDER
How old were these children? It would be interesting to understand what they were doing in Gulu. Do they live among the locals or do they often come for medical treatments and shopping in Gulu? Seems to me like this may not have been the first business trip. Last time around were three wives. What bloody flocks!!! noc´l >From: "Elum aniap Godfrey Ayoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Ugandacom] GULU: MILITARY ARRESTS 17 WIVES OF LRA REBEL GROUP FOUNDER >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:27:42 +0200 > > UGANDA 30/9/2003 19:59 > GULU: MILITARY ARRESTS 17 WIVES OF LRA REBEL GROUP FOUNDER > General, Brief > > > Seventeen of the over eighty wives of Joseph Kony, founder of the LRA (lord's Resistance Army) rebel movement causing death and destruction for over 17 years in North Uganda, were arrested yesterday. As reported by MISNA sources, along with the women the Ugandan soldiers also detained 14 children, all sons and daughters of Kony. According to the military commander of the Gulu district, Padi Ankunda, Kony's wives - all armed and able combatants - can be considered real 'veterans' of the movement, tied to the LRA for many years. The group of 'Olum' (grass - as the rebels are called by the people) was intercepted in Cwere, around 14km east of Gulu (administrative centre of the homonymous northern Ugandan district) by a mobile patrol of Kampala forces. Commander Ankunda did not provide ulterior details on the circumstances of their arrest, only indicating that the large group of rebels was headed by some key figures of the movement. The news was learned with curio sity and concern in Gulu, given that the rebels normally avoid nearing the city, closely controlled by the military. Since 1986 the LRA rebels, headed by their leader Joseph Kony, have been devastating the northern Ugandan districts: in 17 years of terror they tortured and killed tens of thousands of people (at least 100-thousand victims), abducting over 20-thousand children, reduced to slavery or forcedly enrolled in the rebel lines. > [BO] > > > > >"And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, 'When will you be satisfied?' We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities (.) No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream". (Martin Luther King, 1964 Nobel Peace prize laureate, assassinated for his struggle) Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Wife Burnt in Domestic Violence
ABOLISH POLIGAMY!!! I do not know how some people think. A few years back when I campaigned for prohibition of poligamy, some of my best mates told me that I did not know the RATIONALE and besides I was self a reputed Lion´s share holder. I said there is a difference. Cake sharing as unmarried is different from married cake sharing. HOW CAN AN EDUCATED WOMAN ALLOW HER HUSBAND TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE WIFE Or why should an educated woman go marry a married man Icwak Ogwang icwak Gweno noc´l >From: "Chris Opoka-Okumu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: ugnet_: Wife Burnt in Domestic Violence >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:48:29 -0400 > > Wife Burnt In Domestic Violence > > Jane Atala of Lango College (centre) being attended to in Lira Hospital. Her co-wife, Susan Auma allegedly burnt her when she went to their husband's home. > > RIVALRY: > > Published on: Tuesday, 30th September, 2003 > > Email this article to a friend. > > > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Our MPs in Stockholm
For whom ever is interested. "INVITATION TO ALL ACHOLI AND FRIENDS A meeting to discuss and get first hand information on the situation in Acholi will be held on Saturday the 27th September in Stockholm. Guest of honours: 1. Bishop Macleord Baker Ochola II 2. Hon.Odonga Otto Jr (MP) 3: Hon Norbert Mao (MP) is also expected to address people. Venue: Alby Maria Chapel, Albyvägen Programme 13:00 - 13:30 Prayer 13:30 - 14:10 Bishop Macleord Baker Ochola II 14:20 - 15:00 Hon.Odonga Otto Jr (MP) 15:00 - 15:30 A pictoral impression of the current situation in Acholi 15:30 - 16:00 Break 16:00 - 17:30 Discussions For anyone who wish to speak directly to the Rt. Rev. Bishop Baker Ochola II, please, call him at +46 (0)73 658. please similar information for any Acholi you know and onwards. all are welcome!! Yours, Charles Kagwa Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] NOW THIS IS BETTER THAN MOST OF THEM
Ed, I have been recieving similar mails from two different "Son of Kabila" resident in the Republic of South Africa. Be a serious biscjinessman and eat. What is wrong with you. My luck did not clock, aha aha joyficate noc´l >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Rwanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Ugandacom] NOW THIS IS BETTER THAN MOST OF THEM >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:37:30 -0400 > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] DIV <>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:26 AM >Subject: URGENT ASSISTANCE > > > > FROM:MRS. MARIAM SESE-SEKO > > > > ATTN: > > > > I AM MRS. MARIAM SESE-SEKO WIDOW OF > > LATE PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE-SEKO OF ZAIRE? > > NOW KNOWN AS DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO > > (DRC). > > I AM MOVED TO WRITE YOU THIS LETTER, > > THIS WAS IN CONFIDENCE CONSIDERING MY > > PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE AND SITUATION. > > I ESCAPED ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND AND TWO > > OF OUR SONS TIMOTHY AND BASHER OUT OF > > DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO (DRC) TO > > ABIDJAN,COTE D'IVOIRE WHERE MY FAMILY > > AND I SETTLED, WHILE WE LATER MOVED TO > > SETTLED IN MORROCO WHERE MY HUSBAND > > LATER DIED OF CANCER DISEASE. > > HOWEVER DUE TO THIS SITUATION WE DECIDED > > TO CHANGED MOST OF MY HUSBAND'S BILLIONS > > OF DOLLARS DEPOSITED IN SWISS BANK AND OTHER > > COUNTRIES INTO OTHER FORMS OF MONEY CODED > > FOR SAFE PURPOSE BECAUSE THE NEW HEAD OF > > STATE OF (DR) MR LAURENT KABILA HAS MADE > > ARRANGEMENT WITH THE SWISS GOVERNMENT > > AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES TO FREEZE > > ALL MY LATE HUSBAND'TREASURES DEPOSITED > > IN SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. HENCE MY CHILDREN > > AND I DECIDED LAYING LOW IN AFRICA TO STUDY > > THE SITUATION TILL WHEN THINGS GETS BETTER, > > LIKE NOW THAT PRESIDENT KABILA IS DEAD AND > > THE SON TAKING OVER(JOSEPH KABILA). ONE OF MY > > LATE HUSBAND'S CHATEAUX IN SOUTHERN FRANCE > > WAS CONFISCATED BY THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT, > > AND AS SUCH I HAD TO CHANGE MY IDENTITY SO > > THAT MY INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE TRACED AND > > CONFISCATED. I HAVE DEPOSITED THE SUM > > OF TWENTY FIVE MLLION UNITED STATE DOLLARS > > (US$25,000,000,00.) WITH A SECURITY COMPANY , > > FOR SAFEKEEPING. THE FUNDS ARE SECURITY > > CODED TO PREVENT THEM FROM KNOWING > > THE CONTENT. WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS TO > > INDICATE YOUR INTEREST THAT YOU WILL ASSIST > > US BY RECEIVING THE MONEY ON OUR BEHALF IN > > EUROPE. > > I WANT YOU TO ASSIST IN INVESTING THIS MONEY, > > BUT I WILL NOT WANT MY IDENTITY REVEALED. > > I WILL ALSO WANT TO BUY PROPERTIES AND STOCK > > IN MULTI-NATIONAL COMPANIES AND TO ENGAGE > > IN OTHER SAFE AND NON-SPECULATIVE INVESTMENTS. > > MAY I AT THIS POINT EMPHASIS THE HIGH LEVEL OF > > CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH THIS BUSINESS DEMANDS, > > AND HOPE YOU WILL NOT BETRAY THE TRUST AND > > CONFIDENCE, WHICH I REPOSE IN YOU IN CONCLUSION, > > IN THE EVENT YOU ARE INTERESTED TO ASSIST US I WILL > > LIKE YOU TO CONTACT MY LAWYER WHO I HAVE STATIONED IN > > HOLLAND TO WITNESS THE TRANSACTION TO IS > > CONCLUTION.YOU CAN REACH HIM ON IS DIRECT LINE WHICH > > IS 0031630655043 VIA MAIL > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] HIS NAME IS RICHARD GORDON AND > > I HAVE THE FULL TRUST IN HIM. > > I SINCERELY WILL APPRECIATE YOUR ACKNOWLEDGMENT AS > > SOON AS POSSIBLE. > > > > BEST REGARDS, > > > > MRS M. SESE SEKO. > > > > > > > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Acoli delegation in Sweden?!
Jabu Kwot ki WU KAKAKA I SWEDEN, Jal, actually I was just out in the cafeteria. Kiwaca ni ikura kvee idog nyonyocura na. Sorry, I continued to S-holm, but I did realize that you had been around. Kiwaca ni ilollo computer ci ikato. What do you mean? Of course this is supposed to be a delegation of folk representatives, if I got it right, that is. Well, yes, it is true that some Acoli religious(?!) folk or what ever are around. I understand Hon. Mao is also around. Dont know if this is official visit, otherwise, I really do not know who would inform the Acoi community in scandinavia. Some former executive of the defunct ASS, perhaps?! You realise that association does not exist any longer? Try with Stephen Onekgiwu Ocaya or Ocure Ocaya Mike in Uppsala. Some one told me the Acoli team is putting up (residing) there. They should help you better if you wish to meet the delegation. Today as you know is a busy day (following the official ceremony in memory of the late foreign minister Anna Lindh). Alternatively phone Patrick. I understand they were supposed to meet some foreign ministry folk and then later meet Acoli community over the weekend. I will not be around in Sigtuna. So I wont meet them. Rgds Noc´l Laduma ki wun lu Scandinavia mukene, Is the current visit by our public personalities to Sweden a secret or have you in Uppsala decided to monopolise our public figures. I understand a group of Acoli representatives are currently visiting Sweden, is it true? Why have not the Acoli community i Sweden been informed? An awinyo awinya ni joni dong tye i Gottsunda, Uppsala kenyo doo? Kong iniyanga kalok meno ada. Laremi Opira nyo gwok okwili? Laworo awec pe anongi. amoti Jabu _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Re: Help Acholi rediscover themselves
BULL SHIT PROPAGANDA AND COMPLETE DISTORTION OF ACOLI REALITY. I do not live in the mediaeval era being described!! The ruthless LRA have nothing to do with Acoli. What kind of pride is that to slaughter your own? Where I come from, the Acoli are one of the most liberal beings far away from the bullshit. In Uganda almost all Acoli (so called substantial over class types) are married to women from other tribes. I went to Tororo Collage and never saw the Acoli students always walk in flocks. On the contrary, the Acoli students were always the most liberal (and indeed many of us became prefects because of that quality) mixing with varied tribes. In fact we used to comment on the students from Samia-bugwe as flock-students If these days Acoli students have turned into "flock" type then it has its natural explanation somewhere else (perhaps a social consequence of prevalent political dilemma?) A bullshit pro-LRA propaganda spiced with some truth? The warrior stuff is also wrong. Acoli dominate the army because there are hardly any alternative employment opportunity in our region. After the second world war, the returnee soldiers from the Kampala and Jinja areas became Office assistants, Medical assistants, Clerical officers, Labor union officers, Court assistants, police officers, business men etc. Those from the North did not have those opportunities. THEY RESORTED TO REMAINING IN THE ARMY while their mates from the South became civil servants. Even in the UPDF, most of the soldiers from the South and West engage in business and therefore are reluctant to fight and die leaving behind heaps of money and flush life styles. Ours do not have those opportunities so they stay. Perhaps a major indication of Acolis liberal nature is the fact that they have never had any single Kingdom. And how all the unscrupulous Ugandan political groups use them. You experts perhaps can educate me on this: "When I see Acoli names (original names) like OKELLO, ODONG, ATUBE, OMARA, OCHENG .etc., I DO NOT SEE ANY NAME THAT INDICATE THE EXISTENCE OF THE THE KIND OF SOCIAL OR MILITARY HISTORY. Names tell a lot of history!! Be back noc´l >From: Lutimba Matovu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Re: Help Acholi rediscover themselves >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:17:31 -0700 (PDT) > >Help Acholi rediscover themselves > >Mr President, there is one more approach to ending the >northern Uganda conflict that needs exploration just >tell the Acholi people that they are a great people >and show that you mean those words. > >The Joseph Kony war has many faces. One of these >facets that needs appreciation is the cultural >dimension of the war. This entails understanding the >Acholi people. Now, who are the Acholi? A dark >skinned, tall and violent luo-speaking tribe who live >in northern Uganda? > >This is too simplistic a description. One must >understand the psyche of the Acholi. A better >understanding of the Acholi would give vital clues >that would probably lead to better policies on ending >the 17-year-old conflict in northern Uganda. > >The Kony war is not a war aimed at toppling the >government. Joseph Kony is not fighting to overrun >Kampala. he is not interested in becoming the >president of Uganda. >At the heart of the northern war is the fight for >Acholi ethnic identity. This is the reason the >objectives of Konys Lord Resistance Army (LRA) remain >vague. The northern war cannot end without addressing >the question of Acholi identity. > >Anthropological and ethnographic studies that give >useful information about the Acholi are available. It >is important to understand the distinctiveness of >ethnic groups. This is part of Africas diversity that >puzzled the western world right from colonial times to >the present day. > >Failure to appreciate this has frustrated many well >intentioned politicians, programmes and projects in >Africa. >Is this tribalism? Yes and no. Tribalism just like >sex has been skewed to suggest evil when it is not. > >The colonialists demonised tribalism because tribes >posed an obstacle to creating big economic zones for >the exploitation of African resources. The >post-independence African leaders are still playing >the parrot to this colonial mischief. Ethnicity should >be seen in its true and positive light. >We are to blame for letting politicians harness the >powerful force of ethnicity for evil. Some academics >argue that what we call tribes are actually nations. >The word tribe was used by colonialists to undermine >the African people. > >Let me suggest a simple ethnographic profile of the >Acholi people. They are one of the most culturally >cohesive group in the country, with a tight ethnic >fabric than most ethnic groupings in Uganda. At >Makerere University, it is not uncommon t
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Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA
Woow, that Church is smoking!!! Try the real Afrikan ones, mate Mitayo. If it is not child molestation it is the other, God damn it! AND THE REGIMES let him get away with it?! There is a saying that "..he who allows a fool to fool him is more foolish than the fool::". In that light the regimes that allowed Nsubuga to fool them are more foolish than Nsubuga. THEREBY NOT SAID THAT HE DID RIGHT. I only mean that they should have stopped him if they themselves were not birds of a feather. Too bad that where I come from we do not shoot at graves. But who knows, may be one day I'll gut-up. best rgds noc´l >From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:59:33 + > > >Mates, this His Eminence Emmanuel Cardinal Nsubuga was a criminal >f'cking dog who should never have taken the leadership of my beloved >Catholic Church. I know all is not well in that church but this >Nsubuga thug was in a class of his own. More greedy than a hyena. > >And while at it, was his death due to natural causes or AIDS? >Whatever the cause, I say good riddance. > >How many Ugandans have since died stemming from his betrayal? >How many Rwandese? And how many Congolese have died as a result? > >You guys talk about his farm in Ssingo where he used to train rebels >to kill Ugandans. But he had a whole route for weapons inflow all >the way from Mombasa to Kampala. Like many others who have sold us >for a few pieces of silver he was imperialisms' running dog. How >much did he get from Lonrho anyway. (That is Cecil Rhodes' so-called >LONdon RHOdesia settler colonist corporation, if you didn't know). > >May the dirtiest of sewers seep down into his grave. If you ever see >his grave get a bullet and shoot it into his grave/coffin. The >criminal should have been hanged in a public square. > >Mitayo Potosi > > >>From: noc´l gaumoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA >>Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:06:22 +0200 >> >><< Mates.doc >> > >Mates > >Not only you, Mulindwa, I too shiver. > >Adwong Aniap, were things so bad? This is really scary and indeed >sorrowful, to put it mildly. It is hard to draw tenable conclusion >if Rt. Rev Nsubuga indeed acted so. It leaves a lot of Questions. > >You said: > Knowing was one thing, but getting the bulls by the horns was >something different and almost impossible. The late Nsubuga's >intentions and activities re-enforced by M7, some individual >Ugandans even those who served under the UPC II, politicians and >political groupings was no secret. > >Gosh! > >I will not go into what Ladit Mulindwa already articulated or where >our viewpoints phase. > >Rude awakenings, indeed! What has chanced our former UPC WITH SPINAL >CORDS? Was the façade a mere bluff? > >You know, Godfrey, such attitudes awaken bad memories. What you >rehiterated is exactly the hallmark of Ugandan and indeed, general >POLITICAL FAILURES. > >Our elected leaders and other forms of folk representation are not >are not delegated that trust to be THEORETICIANS. Politicians are >supposed to be pragmatic(ian)s. Otherwise, they may as well abdicate >and allow others who can move mountains do the show. What do you >think about that difference? Why should we have a bunch of >theoreticians on top of already overwhelming heap of advisors and >consultants? Why should we have inactive theorists occupying action >/ decision positions which they do not administer well? > >From what you say, it is not surprising that things went the way >they did or that the political situation is the way it is. > >Recall that this was not the first time. In so-called Obote 1, Field >Marshal Dr. Idi Amin Dada DSO, VC, MC Con Br.Empire´s COUP in 1971 >was also anticipated. There are reports that it was eminent to the >then GSU. Still they could not act. Amin was under house arrest, but >there was NO ACTION. > >A friend of mine told me that even His Excellency Musseveni started >recruiting his army along sides the UNLA and continued as minister >of defense. Still NO ACTION! > >So, now when you outline the same monster in Obote 2, I understand >why the Basilios without political agenda were able to overthrow the >government that was their own. > >Is that negligence (inability) not a serious form of letting the >country down? Is that not adventuring with the countrys security? > >Extended (even if it does not directly belong), I may conclude that >it is the same passivity displayed against the LRA. We commoners >expect action (rd. constructive and responsive opposition) from our >polit
ugnet_: Fwd: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA
>From: noc´l gaumoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:09:46 +0200 > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. Mates.doc Description: MS-Word document
ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] Arm Acholi Youths, Says Ali(what is Hon. Olums position?)
Well, an interesting ambivalence. So, what are Hon Omwony and Hon. Olum´s position? Seems to me that there is an interesting development on the making contrary to Okankodic observations. rgds noc´l >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Ugandacom] Arm Acholi Youths, Says Ali >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:50:54 EDT > >Arm Acholi Youths, Says Ali > > > > Email This Page > >Print This Page > >Visit The Publisher's Site > > > > > >New Vision (Kampala) > >September 8, 2003 >Posted to the web September 8, 2003 > >Charles Ariko >Kampala > >THE First Deputy Premier, Lt. Gen. Moses Ali, has said Acholi youth should be >armed to help fight the LRA rebels in northern Uganda. > >"We need to recruit more LDUs and homeguards in the Acholi region. It appears >this is the policy now," Ali said. > > >"If other areas have been allowed to get arms, why not Acholi?" Ali said. > >He was referring to the local militias, The Arrow Group in Teso and the Rhino >Group in Lango, which were recently armed by government. > >Ali was on Friday speaking as the chief guest at the inauguration of a new >executive of the Acholi Parliamentary Group at the residence of Lamwo county MP >Hillary Onek in Luzira. > >Veteran politician Zachary Olum is the new chairman, while Onek is the >deputy. > >The inauguration was attended by the Acholi paramount chief, Rwot Achana and >several MPs, most them from the Acholi sub-region. > >Ali said some of the ambushes attributed to the LRA rebels were carried out >by civilians who wanted to benefit from the insecurity there. > >"If we identify those who are supporting the rebellion, it will help us end >this war," Ali said. > > > > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: [Ugandacom] Fwd: ugnet_: Uganda: Sharp Decline in Human Rights
No, sir, I did not write that. Are you not misquoting me?! rgds noc´l >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] Fwd: ugnet_: Uganda: Sharp Decline in Human Rights >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:24:17 EDT > >In a message dated 9/8/2003 10:03:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > "Not only has the Ugandan government failed to protect its citizens > > >>adequately," said Samuel B. Tindifa, director of the Human Rights > > >>and Peace Centre. "They have also actively violated their rights, > > >>detained them for long periods without showing cause, and recruited > > >>children into the army and home guards." > > >> > >Like amuka group or Arrow group!!! > >mATEK Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Fwd: ugnet_: Uganda: Sharp Decline in Human Rights
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Uganda: Sharp Decline in Human Rights >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:36:30 EDT > >Human Rights Watch > > > > Uganda: Sharp Decline in Human Rights > > > > http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/uganda071503.htm > > > > (Kampala, July 15, 2003) Abductions, torture, recruitment of child > > soldiers, and other abuses have sharply increased in the past year > > in northern Uganda due to renewed fighting between Ugandan > > government forces and rebels, a coalition of national and > > international organizations said in a report released today. > > > > "The United Nations and members of the international community need > > to take a more active role to end this desperate state of affairs > > in northern Uganda. The government and LRA peace talks have ended > > and the war is continuing at a heightened pace, with worse impact > > than ever on the entire population of Acholiland." > > > > Jemera Rone, counsel for the Africa division of Human Rights Watch > > The 73-page report, "Abducted and Abused: Renewed War in Northern > > Uganda," details how a slew of human rights abuses have resulted in > > a humanitarian crisis. Since June 2002, the rebel Lord's Resistance > > Army (LRA) has abducted nearly 8,400 children and thousands more > > adults, a sharp rise from 2001. The LRA has also escalated the > > seventeen-year war against northern Uganda's civilians by targeting > > religious leaders, aid providers, and those living in internally > > displaced persons (IDP) camps. > > > > "Child abduction, murder, and mutilation are the signatures of the > > LRA in this war," said Lloyd Axworthy, former Canadian minister for > > external affairs. "This is a war that has been fought primarily > > against the children and people of northern Uganda." Axworthy is > > CEO and executive director of the Liu Institute for Global Issues > > in Vancouver, which issued the report together with the Peace and > > Human Rights Center in Kampala, Human Rights Focus in Gulu, and > > Human Rights Watch in New York, of which Axworthy is a board > > member. > > > > The seventeen-year conflict between the LRA and the Ugandan > > government intensified in March 2002, when the government army, the > > Ugandan People's Defence Forces (UPDF), launched a military > > offensive, "Operation Iron Fist," against LRA bases in southern > > Sudan. The offensive failed to accomplish its aim of destroying the > > LRA, which evaded the UPDF and in June 2002 returned to northern > > Uganda. The renewed conflict is taking its highest toll ever: > > > > * Since June 2002, the LRA abducted 8,400 children, the highest > > rate of abductions ever in seventeen years of war. > > > > * Fear of LRA abduction has driven approximately 20,000 children to > > escape nightly into Gulu and other towns. These children sleep on > > verandas, on church grounds and at local hospitals, returning home > > each morning, becoming locally known as "night commuters." > > > > * An estimated 800,000 northern Ugandans are internally displaced > > due to LRA attacks and government orders-approximately 70 percent > > of the entire population of the three war-affected districts in > > northern Uganda. > > > > * Respective Mortality Rate (for three months in 2003) for children > > under five in two IDP camps near Gulu was 5.67/1,000, where 4/1,000 > > is considered an emergency. This rate was the highest recorded in > > five years, yet it was not caused by any outbreak of disease, > > leading the agency conducting the survey to raise the possibility > > that the children had simply "died of hunger." > > > > * Although overall HIV prevalence in Uganda has reportedly declined > > substantially in recent years, there is lingering high prevalence > > in the north: Gulu reportedly has the second highest rate of HIV > > prevalence after Kampala, attributed among other things to the > > higher rate of HIV among combatants. Among expectant mothers tested > > at one of two hospitals in Gulu, the rates of HIV prevalence were > > 11-12 percent, where 5 percent is the national rate. > > > > The report draws on interviews with recently abducted children who > > escaped from the LRA. It gives voice to internally displaced > > persons living in the IDP camps that have been attacked by the LRA, > > and the aid workers attempting to reach these victims despite > > frequent LRA ambushes on relief convoys. > > > > While the Ugandan government is obligated to intervene to stop > > these violations, its own forces have committed gross abuses, > > including torture, rape, underage recruitment, and arbitrary > > detention. The government has also increased the suffering of > > northern Uganda's population through the forced displacement of > > civilians into IDP camps, which have little or no pr
Re: ugnet_: UGANDA: LRA gets close to presidential guard
The UPDF SAYS: Meanwhile, the Ugandan People´s Defence Forces (UPDF) say they are making progress in driving the LRA out of Teso region. Driving them out of the Teso region into where??? How about us? Noc´l >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: UGANDA: LRA gets close to presidential guard >Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:31:20 EDT > > > >UGANDA: LRA gets close to presidential guard > > >©  irin > >UPDF searches for LRA > > >KAMPALA, 5 Sep 2003 (IRIN) - The Lordâs Resistance Army (LRA), which is >active along the Soroti-Lira road in eastern Uganda's Teso district, on Friday >attacked a truck further up the road along which President Yoweri Museveniâs own >security convoy was travelling. > >"It was very nearby," army spokesman Maj Shaban Bantariza told IRIN. >"Possibly about 25 minutes before the presidentâs arrival, according to our sources on >the ground.â > >âWhen they got to the scene the rebels had already fled," he added. "They >were not within shooting range.â > >Presidential Press Secretary Mary Okurut said no changes to the presidentâs >travel plans in Teso region were being scheduled. > >âThis was not an attack on the president, they just arrived to find an ambush >had taken place. Weâll be continuing as normal,â she said. > >Meanwhile, the Ugandan Peopleâs Defence Forces (UPDF) say they are making >progress in driving the LRA out of Teso region. > >âWe are diminishing [LRA leader Joseph] Konyâs means to make war," Bantariza >told IRIN. "We have armed militias in six sub-counties in Teso and we are >having much success in capturing and killing these thugs, and recovering their >weapons.â > > >[ENDS] > > > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Re: Cabinet endorses new land acquisition Bill
THIS IS REALLY A SEROUS MATTER. Land is serious matter! It is serious matter in Mubende, Acoli, Buganda, Zimbabwe and indeed all over the world. The Red Indians are still struggling to recover their lost rights however hopeless the outcome seems. That is Land. I concur with Ldt. Ogaba. The way I se it, the Northern Ugandan regions should withhold concession from the Land Bill recently approved by the government until when the natives are properly repatriated into their former LAND and are able to actively participate in the discussions over their land issues. At the moment it is wrong because they have basically been removed from their land to the so-called Protected Villages (LIBERATED FROM LAND OWNERSHIP) WHAT DO OUR MPs SAY? Rgds Noc´l Lukaka, We are getting back to square one. Watch out for those Salim Saleh's, Rhodesians, etc vying for Acholi land for "investment", since it is now "empty". After all, they used to grow tobacco there, a staple of these people. Ogaba Cabinet endorses new land acquisition Bill CABINET has approved a proposal to allow government compulsorily acquire land or property for investment, writes Richard Mutumba. A source told The New Vision yesterday that according to the proposal, compensation shall not be a pre-condition for the land acquisition, as it usually takes time for government to find the money. Compensation should be maintained but should not be prior to acquisition or expropriation, the source quoted Cabinet members as saying. The source said the Cabinet last week raised the need to harmonise Articles 26 and 237. The former provides that compulsory acquisition of land must be only necessary for public use or in the interest of defence, public safety, order, morality or health. Article 237 provides that Government or a local government may, subject to Article 26 of the Constitution, acquire land in the public interest. However, the term public interest is not defined under that Article. The source said Cabinet has proposed a constitutional amendment to handle Article 26. The amendment would introduce the element of compulsory acquisition of land not only for public use but also include land required for investment. The source said the possibility would be to adopt the Kenyan approach which provides for property being compulsorily acquired in the interests of promoting the public benefit. Published on: Wednesday, 3rd September, 2003 _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Obote, Besigye to launch radio(?)
ARE WE IN SEPTEMBER NOW?! noc´l From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Obote, Besigye to launch radio(?) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 06:18:28 + _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --- Begin Message --- Obote, Besigye to launch radioBy Alex B. Atuhaire September 5, 2003 Exile radio up to fight Movement KAMPALA - Ugandans living in exile have started a short wave radio station to 'give an alternative view on the politics of the country'. A Ugandan political activist living in exile said that the radio, based in the German city of Berlin, will be launched on August 16 by two exiled politicians, former President Milton Obote and Col. Kizza Besigye, a losing presidential candidate in 2001. Col. Besigye and Mr Obote will be hosted together in a one-hour talk show, Mr Godfrey Elum Ayoo told The Monitor in a telephone interview from his German base. "They will talk about politics and the need to redirect the democratisation process in Uganda," he said. The two leaders will speak on the radio again on August 17 from 6-6:30 p.m. "It's an opportunity for them to use this platform to reach out to people in Uganda without endangering the lives of journalists working in Uganda," he said.Ayoo said yesterday that Radio Rhino International-Africa (RRIA) will broadcast in English from 17.555 Short Wave. The radio will broadcast from 6-6:30 p.m. on weekdays and from 6 a.m. to 7 p.m. on weekends. Ayoo, who is also the director of RRIA, said the station's signal would be received in east, central and parts of South Africa. He said that for proper reception, listeners in Uganda would have to place antennas of their respective radio sets at 145?. Obote, the President of Uganda Peoples Congress and twice deposed by the army from State House, has been living in exile in Zambia since 1985. Besigye fled the country in August 2001 in the aftermath of that year's disputed presidential elections. He cited harassment from security agencies. He lives in exile mostly in South Africa. Ayoo said yesterday that the radio would help counter the Movement government's 'intolerance to free and independent press in Uganda'. "RRIA is a declaration of an airwave campaign in the liberation, protection and promotion of the freedoms of expressions and the rights to information by the press, mass media and the people of Uganda," Ayoo said in an e-mailed statement to The Monitor. He said the radio would cover news on current events, politics, economy, health, education, culture and environment in its daily broadcasts. The activist, who has been living in exile since 1985, said RRIA will counter the NRM regime's 'intimidation, harassment, and forceful closures of private independent radio stations and newspapers and barring of accurate reporting especially on wars and insecurity where the UPDF is overtly or covertly involved in and outside Uganda'. "Certainly we shall show that there are things you cannot control and these include the airwaves," he said. © 2003 The Monitor Publications Gook "You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."- Malcom X MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug --- End Message ---
ugnet_: Fwd: What is Hon. Akec saying?
From: noc´l gaumoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: What is Hon. Akec saying? Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:35:16 +0200 What is Hon. Akech up to?! If it is language problem I can contain that. To me however, her choice of words or construction for this matter is hazardous. THE TRUTH IS ACOLI ABHOR THE LRA. When Hon. Akec says: "We also know that there are children giving up rebellion and coming back home, but there are instances where their families send them back. There was a girl who came back with sh3m and said she was tired of the war. But her mother asked her how she could come back when she could get so much money from the bush," And then go ahead to console her soul: "said the majority of the Acholi do not support the war.. The majority of the Acholi population is very exhausted with the war, they are traumatised and sick and want the war to end very fast." I get scared and I feel a little some football match in my tummy. Hon. Akec is being treacherous. The number / magnitudes of cases Akec is referring to is too microscopic to warrant the use of "THE MAJORITY OF ACOLI". S e is giving legitimacy to a situation that can be misinterpreted for a COMMON OCCURRENCE (even though the majority are against). The correct version is: ACOLI LOATH THE LRA as much as all perpetrators of atrocity. Point blank!! Rgds Noc´l From: "Chris Opoka-Okumu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Fw: ugnet_: Acholi support Kony - Akech >Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:33:42 -0400 > >"While admitting that at times UPDF salaries delay, Nankabirwa denied the army in the north was digging in people's gardens for survival. > >She warned against such talk saying it demoralises the soldiers." > >ALL IS NOT WELL IN THE NORTH FOR NRM > >- Original Message - >From: Ed Kironde >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:14 PM >Subject: ugnet_: Acholi support Kony - Akech > > > >Acholi support Kony - Akech > >By John Eremu > >STATE minister for security Betty Akech has said some Acholi support LRA rebels including asking their surrendering children to go back to the bush. > >Aketch, an Acholi, said they recently went on a mobilisation tour of the war-ravaged area after intelligence reports showed that some people were profiteering from the 17-year-long insurgency. > >"There are people who are seriously benefiting from this war. They are the shopkeepers, the drug dealers and so on," Aketch told the Government weekly press briefing yesterday. > >"We also know that there are children giving up rebellion and coming back home, but there are instances where their families send them back. There was a girl who came back with sh3m and said she was tired of the war. But her mother asked her how she could come back when she could get so much money from the bush," said Aketch who was flanked by state minister for defence Ruth Nankabirwa. > >Akech, who is a member of the Presidential Peace team, however, said the majority of the Acholi do not support the war. > >"The majority of the Acholi population is very exhausted with the war, they are traumatised and sick and want the war to end very fast. > >"When we asked them how to end the war, they asked us to fight to the end," Aketch told the briefing moderated by state minister for information Nsaba Buturo. > >Nankabirwa said Aruu MP Odonga Otoo would be killed if he repeated his call to the youth in his constituency not to join the army. >"I hope Honourable Odonga Otoo is not going to repeat what he said at Lacekocot and Pajule, that the youth should not join the UPDF. He can be stoned to death because the population now knows the truth," Nankabirwa said. > >While admitting that at times UPDF salaries delay, Nankabirwa denied the army in the north was digging in people's gardens for survival. > >She warned against such talk saying it demoralises the soldiers. > >Published on: Friday, 5th September, 2003 > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 > _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Fwd: FIGHT REBELLION, MOSES ALI APPEALS...
vers not only children and youths but also
adult education. More over, emphasizes not only education for all but
QUALITATIVE EDUCATION FOR ALL.
The streets & verandas of Gulu are full of those categories. WHERE IS THE
MONEY FOR THOSE PURPOSES GOING?
What "qualitative" education is there?
The Ugandan government has perhaps gone a good way along and become
exemplary. But how about these militias, do they not need education?
In other parts of Uganda perhaps, but in Acoli the children and youths who
could be recruited into the militia are the very same ones who are I need
of education and childcare as stipulated in the UNESCO declarations. So bad
is the demography!
What is the program for the rehabilitation of these militias after the war?
I would prefer that the Acoli (who already form a remarkable majority in
the UPDF), be shifted over to whichever command this militia thing falls
under. Our youths are already so dogged by "misfortune".
That is why ordinarily, I too do not as per the same principle, support the
militia ala "Rhinos / Amuka & Arrow" in their present attires. But, well
transformed into a workable and sustainable structure (training,
demarcation of mandate and jurisdiction, resource sharing, accountability,
delegation, compensation etc.,), I would not be iron legged in principle
(all is relative). Right now there is inflation of apprehensions (quite
correctly). Many people fear that these youths will just be conscripted and
sent to the front line without adequate training and without proper
compensation and sharing of the military resources Uganda has.
I do not know about that, and, the responsible authorities are not making
things any easier by not spelling it out.
Looked at it from another vantage point, I would like to think that this is
perhaps the beginning of the politics of regional participation, which
indeed is the corner stone of democracy. But as said, all depends on how it
is handled or managed for continuation and development
("structural-functionalism").
As I said, perhaps one other way of looking at it also is through the
Federo-Back door perspective.
Ladit Mitayo raised serious question:
"...But how come that our problem has not been solved once and for all
after 'we' have fought each one of Amin, Obote and mu7?..."
My humble answer is that it is because our "leaders" still come from among
us. We are not democratic beings. We have not succeeded in creating our
DEMOCRATIC GENERATION (in whom democracy is innate). Actually it is only
natural that things are the way they are in Uganda or the entire Third
World. Look around you. You won't miss to see the fact that the phrase
"RULING THE PEOPLE" or "LEADING THE PEOPLE" i.e., leadership or ruler ship
diverge in meanings in contrast with their counterparts in the European or
Western world.
IN AFRICA our kwasi politicians with their kwasi ideologies RULE THE
PEOPLE. In the western democracies WE RULE IDEAS (idea management that is
also called ruling or leading people). All interests sell their ideas to
the people for the people to buy. If the people like it, the stay. If they
choose to like another "idea-bid" that one gets the chance to anchor his /
her visions. Here there is no room for thumb-sucker nostalgia ala ONCE A
CHAMP ALWAYS A CHAMP! Or once good always good! That is why there is not so
much development: our own rule people instead of ideas.
Under prevalent structure or lack of (as I still do not know what these
Amuka and Arrow militias are about), I look at it with cautious reservation
and skepticism.
By the way, what was it about Otti Lagony´s the three wives fleeing to
Uganda? Was it true? Could some good soul with better insight update me? Or
are they so privileged that they could be released to come and "fresh-up"?
Appoprå Lagony, does he by any chance relate to the notorious LRA´s Otti
Lagony?
I smell a rat!
Rgds
Noc´l
From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: ugnet_: Fight Rebellion, Moses Ali Appeals
>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:23:08 +
>
>
>Brother "NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>
>I hear your cry.
>
>I have always opposed this militarism in solving our country's
>affairs.
>
>I start from the so-called 'liberation war' to help the poor
>helpless Ugandans against Idi Amin.
>
>The 1980 elections were a cruel charade, but still I opposed Luwero
>and the executioners of that so-called struggle against Obote.
>
>Now we have this holocaust in the Northern half of our country.
>
>But how come that our problem has not been solved once and for all
>after 'we' have fought each one of Amin, Obote and mu7?
>
>I have always
ugnet_: Fight Rebellion, Moses Ali Appeals
uths but also
adult education. More over, emphasizes not only education for all but
QUALITATIVE EDUCATION FOR ALL.
The streets & verandas of Gulu are full of those categories. WHERE IS THE
MONEY FOR THOSE PURPOSES GOING?
What "qualitative" education is there?
The Ugandan government has perhaps gone a good way along and become
exemplary. But how about these militias, do they not need education?
In other parts of Uganda perhaps, but in Acoli the children and youths who
could be recruited into the militia are the very same ones who are I need
of education and childcare as stipulated in the UNESCO declarations. So bad
is the demography!
What is the program for the rehabilitation of these militias after the war?
I would prefer that the Acoli (who already form a remarkable majority in
the UPDF), be shifted over to whichever command this militia thing falls
under. Our youths are already so dogged by "misfortune".
That is why ordinarily, I too do not as per the same principle, support the
militia ala "Rhinos / Amuka & Arrow" in their present attires. But, well
transformed into a workable and sustainable structure (training,
demarcation of mandate and jurisdiction, resource sharing, accountability,
delegation, compensation etc.,), I would not be iron legged in principle
(all is relative). Right now there is inflation of apprehensions (quite
correctly). Many people fear that these youths will just be conscripted and
sent to the front line without adequate training and without proper
compensation and sharing of the military resources Uganda has.
I do not know about that, and, the responsible authorities are not making
things any easier by not spelling it out.
Looked at it from another vantage point, I would like to think that this is
perhaps the beginning of the politics of regional participation, which
indeed is the corner stone of democracy. But as said, all depends on how it
is handled or managed for continuation and development
("structural-functionalism").
As I said, perhaps one other way of looking at it also is through the
Federo-Back door perspective.
Ladit Mitayo raised serious question:
"...But how come that our problem has not been solved once and for all
after 'we' have fought each one of Amin, Obote and mu7?..."
My humble answer is that it is because our "leaders" still come from among
us. We are not democratic beings. We have not succeeded in creating our
DEMOCRATIC GENERATION (in whom democracy is innate). Actually it is only
natural that things are the way they are in Uganda or the entire Third
World. Look around you. You won't miss to see the fact that the phrase
"RULING THE PEOPLE" or "LEADING THE PEOPLE" i.e., leadership or ruler ship
diverge in meanings in contrast with their counterparts in the European or
Western world.
IN AFRICA our kwasi politicians with their kwasi ideologies RULE THE
PEOPLE. In the western democracies WE RULE IDEAS (idea management that is
also called ruling or leading people). All interests sell their ideas to
the people for the people to buy. If the people like it, the stay. If they
choose to like another "idea-bid" that one gets the chance to anchor his /
her visions. Here there is no room for thumb-sucker nostalgia ala ONCE A
CHAMP ALWAYS A CHAMP! Or once good always good! That is why there is not so
much development: our own rule people instead of ideas.
Under prevalent structure or lack of (as I still do not know what these
Amuka and Arrow militias are about), I look at it with cautious reservation
and skepticism.
By the way, what was it about Otti Lagony´s the three wives fleeing to
Uganda? Was it true? Could some good soul with better insight update me? Or
are they so privileged that they could be released to come and "fresh-up"?
Appoprå Lagony, does he by any chance relate to the notorious LRA´s Otti
Lagony?
I smell a rat!
Rgds
Noc´l
From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: ugnet_: Fight Rebellion, Moses Ali Appeals
>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:23:08 +
>
>
>Brother "NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>
>I hear your cry.
>
>I have always opposed this militarism in solving our country's
>affairs.
>
>I start from the so-called 'liberation war' to help the poor
>helpless Ugandans against Idi Amin.
>
>The 1980 elections were a cruel charade, but still I opposed Luwero
>and the executioners of that so-called struggle against Obote.
>
>Now we have this holocaust in the Northern half of our country.
>
>But how come that our problem has not been solved once and for all
>after 'we' have fought each one of Amin, Obote and mu7?
>
>I have always said that if you want to fight Amin
Re: ugnet_: FEDERO IS A REAL FANTASY
Mate Mulindwa, I was thinking, is not that Federo bully on the making already? I am trying to "Fantasize" that the Rhinos and Arrows could easily backdoor federo. rgds noc´l From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Anne Mugisha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ugnet_: FEDERO IS A REAL FANTASY Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:22:04 -0400 Omukulu Pike Adding to my friend Kasangwawo's very intelligently produced facts I would as well like to make the following observations. Who are the Federalist? One must ask him/her self this question if you are addressing this very important question on or about the people/s who are trying to change our nation for ever, from Unitary to federalism. Is it only a Mukulu Kibuuka's dream? Do we have a Ugandan structure out there which strongly believes that Federalism is the solution to Uganda's problem/s? And the answer is a pure No. So we come back to the grass roots and ask our selves the basic question, who are the people yapping about federalism in Uganda? They are the Democratic Party members who are trying to see that DP can get a hand in Buganda. You see DP has had a huge problem to get a hold in Buganda, they have a common enemy by the name UPC. So there had to devise a means to get a hand on Buganda if DP will ever have a dream to lead Uganda. So the attack on its politics through federalism. And the connected plan goes this way, let us gain the support of Buganda by telling Buganda that through federalism Mutebi will be the president of Uganda. And the ill informed Baganda apparently bought that crap. If you look attentively to the postings on Fedenet, and if you listen very carefully to the feds you will realise that they are not talking about changes in Uganda's political achive, what is taking place in Fedenet discussion group is the utter attack and destruction of Obote and UPC. Now as a non UPC member must wonder why? And the answer is this, DP has only one public enemy. UPC and Obote. That is why Federalists have failed all along to state their case with out mentioning Nakulabye, the attack of Lubiri and so on. Now the Kibuuka's have at least got the audecy of publicly declaring them selves as sympathisers of DPs but the Kasangwawo's can not reach that stage for they even have a problem calling them selves their right names, (Which we now know by the way). For the record, Federalism is a very good political structure, can it work in Uganda? Is a discussion of another day. But it is very wrong for DP as a Political party to hide its self into a sheep's cloth while using a good man like Mwaami Kibuuka to sell an entity that we MIGHT use in Uganda at a later time. That is very wrong. And it is as wrong as trying to use UNAA in Boston for the selling of the same crap. Ugandans are getting better in following issues that matter on their nation, and DP must recognise that. And thanks to Ugandans for being smart and looked through this crap, Fedenet discussion group destruction refers. The name is still EM In Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: ugnet_: 'Federo' is a fantasy > Mwaami Pike, > > I am forwarding some comments I sent to 'ugandanet' concerning the New > Vision editorial which appeared on 26 August 2003 (attached below). I would > have thought that a national newspaper like New Vision would make an effort > to follow what Ugandans of different political leanings have to say about > several issues concerning their country. The presence of at least one member > of your staff on a discussion list such as 'ugandanet' should, to my mind, > be of paramount importance. I was therefore surprised at the lack of > knowledge displayed by the writer of the editorial in question. But, just > read for yourself. > > Kasangwawo > > >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: 'Federo' is a fantasy > >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:00:02 + > > > >I must admit that I've never found the New Vision editorials brilliant, but > >this one was one of the worst I've read. It was written from a position of > >ignorance and assumptions. Here just a few questions/comments to the > >editor: > > > >- What sort of dominance are you talking about - political, economic or > >what ? > > > >- Where did you get the idea that officials in the Federal State of Buganda > >will be appointed by the Kabaka ? > > > >- You ask what will happen to LCs. Excuse me, where have you been ? There > >will be no LCs in Buganda under f
ugnet_: RE: [Ugandacom] Fight Rebellion, Moses Ali Appeals
Unfortunately, Matek, the art and science of this TRAGEDY (NOT WAR) are that of "walking a tight rope" character. And, more sadly so, it is permeated with PARTY political biasing. The situation is that Their Satanic Vampires are not fighting the NRM. Must you always refuse to see situations from the sufferers point of view, how stubborn can a human being be, actually?! Who feels it knows it! Why do you not come with something new? Something tenable? This one ( Let the NRM/UPDF/ NRA fight its wars...), is not good enough! It is the same old proven shit from 1986; what you are suggesting, is what my people have been doing for the last 17 (!) years. Faced with the reality of un provided security, secularization, sufferance, destitution, annihilation, they are just saying they wont be doomsday bound. I do not know if you have ever been fighting or fought in your childhood (I have never been the cruel type neither), but I do not recall that in the course of FIGHTING / wrestling with OPONENTS we did banged some passer-by or anyone elses face and bragged that we have fought our opponent. Is that what you call fighting? Matek, you are a politician and a member of the UPCs so called PPC. We commonality depend on your sense of balance, epoch-making mood and leadership. You are not supposed to come with void sweeping statements at critical times like this. THE SITUATIONS HERE ARE: 1) THE LRAs INTENSIFIED BRUTALITY AND MAXIUM CRUELTY on innocent Ugandan commonality. 2) UNPROVIDED SECURITY AND STATE PROTECTION 3) UGANDAN WHO HAVE GUTTED UP TO SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, and, who are conditioned by de facto state of affairs to act in defence of their brothers, sisters and their motherland. THE ISSUE HERE IS: How do we go about it? HOW DO WE FACE THIS REALITY? That is what you politicians are supposed to be solving now. Not twiddling here and there. We are in a situation where the UPDF does not provide enough security guarantees for the Upcountry populace and the people NO LONGER want to be massacred passively. So, if the Ugandan government (rd. NRM regime and the UPDF) refuses or fails to comply with the constitution of the country and, the LRA continues to kill defenceless civilians instead of fighting the UPDF, you (rd. the UPC) recommends that the people do nothing while simultaneously you POLITICIANS (UPC AND OTHER POLITICAL PARTIES) are doing nothing to halt the killings?? Why do you not provide a concise account of the alternative so that we commonality can see the tenability in it for my people to see that indeed the LRA will stop maiming and abducting innocent Acoli and start fighting the UPDF instead? Assuming the situation is such that the UPDF does not want to fight. And that fight or no fight the regime will rule on (their mandate through). And the LRA is killing innocent people now. You as a politician, what is your advice to the people? Rgds Noc´l From: "Ed Kironde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [Ugandacom] Fight Rebellion, Moses Ali Appeals Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:23:22 -0600 Just out of curiosity Why didn't Uganda Government send civilians to fight when the Batooros were attacking the Bakiga? Em The government uses a number of mechanisms to execute its objectives. The local people have a duty to protect themselves, the government strengthens their defense. If your Kony were to camp in Butambala, I will personally mobilize the butambala grenade group [bgg] to fight your hero or anything that appears to resemble LRA. God [read as UPDF] helps those who help themselves. Local vigilantism shown outside Buganda is clear testimony that Federo can be used to mobilize local people to defend their traditional sovereignty. When you dichotomize Ugandans into the Batooro or Bakiga, you are talking Federo. Konys motiveless thuggery has maimed or murdered more civilians than the UPDF personnel. To say that if local people are mobilized into groups to defend their regions will provoke Kony to attack civilians, you are either seriously insane or just dropped onto planet earth! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Fwd: Unfortunately
From: "nockrach george" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Unfortunately
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:18:11 +0200
Unfortunately, Mate, art and science of this TRAGEDY (NOT WAR) are that of
"walking a tight rope" character. And, more sadly so, it is permeated with
PARTY political biasing.
The situation is that Their Satanic Vampires are not fighting the NRM. Must
you always refuse to see situations from the sufferer's point of view, how
stubborn can a human being be, actually?! Who feels it knows it!
Why do you not come with something new? Something tenable? This one ("...
Let the NRM/UPDF/ NRA fight its wars..."), is not good enough! It is the
same old proven shit from 1986; what you are suggesting, is what my people
have been doing for the last 17 (!) years.
Faced with the reality of un provided security, secularization, sufferance,
destitution, annihilation, they are just saying they won't be doomsday
bound.
I do not know if you have ever been fighting or fought in your childhood (I
have never been the cruel type neither), but I do not recall that in the
course of FIGHTING / wrestling with OPONENTS we did banged some passer-by
or anyone else's face and bragged that we have fought our opponent.
Matek, you are a politician and a member of the UPCs so called PPC. We
commonality depend on your sense of balance, epoch-making mood and
leadership. You are not supposed to come with void sweeping statements at
critical times like this.
THE SITUATIONS HERE ARE:
1) THE LRAs INTENSIFIED BRUTALITY AND MAXIUM CRUELTY on innocent Ugandan
commonality.
2) UNPROVIDED SECURITY AND STATE PROTECTION
3) UGANDAN WHO HAVE GUTTED UP TO SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, and, who are
conditioned by de facto state of affairs to act in defence of their
brothers, sisters and their motherland.
THE ISSUE HERE IS:
How do we go about it? HOW DO WE FACE THIS REALITY?
That is what you politicians are supposed to be solving now. Not twiddling
here and there. We are in a situation where the UPDF does not provide
enough security guarantees for the "Upcountry populace" and the people NO
LONGER want to be massacred passively.
So, if the Ugandan government (rd. NRM regime and the UPDF) refuses or
fails to comply with the constitution of the country and, the LRA continues
to kill defenceless civilians instead of fighting the UPDF, you (rd. the
UPC) recommends that the people do nothing while simultaneously you
POLITICIANS (UPC AND OTHER POLITICAL PARTIES) are doing nothing to halt the
killings??
Why do you not provide a concise account of the alternative so that we
commonality can see the tenability in it. So that my people can see that
indeed the LRA will stop maiming, abducting etc innocent Acoli and start
fighting the UPDF instead?
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ugnet_: Re: [AcoliForum] Amin's parents separated.
INCORRECT ACCOUNT OF IDI AMIN´S BACKGROUND! Try the Fadimollah of Koboko. noc´l From: "morris komakech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [AcoliForum] Amin's parents separated. Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:25:44 -0400 Good piece of History, with details well craved out, this is a responsible journalism. Morris Komakech - Original Message - From: "Sisto Erista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:16 PM Subject: [AcoliForum] Amin's parents separated. > > Monday, 18 August 2003 05:16 pm > == > > >>Rejected then taken in by dad; a timeline > >>By Fred Guweddeko > >> > >>"Amin's parents separated after suspicion that he wa fathered by Kabaka > >>Chwa" > >> > >>Idi Amin (2nd right) with former Kenyan president Jomo Kinyatta (Extreme > >>left) and there wives (File and photo) > >> > >>His childhood real names were Idi Awo-Ongo Angoo. > >> > >>He was born on May 17, 1928 at about 4.00 a.m. in a police barracks at the > >>present International Conference Centre in Kampala. > >> > >>He was of the Adibu clan of the Kakwa ethnic group. > >>His father was initially Andreas Nyabire, a Catholic who converted to > >>Islam in 1910 and became Amin Dada. > >> > >>Andreas Nyabire Amin Dada was born in 1889 and died in 1976. He was a > >>Kakwa from Adida in Southern Sudan. > >> > >>The mother of Idi Amin was called Assa Aatte. > >>Born in 1904, she died in 1970. > >> > >>She was daughter of a Lugbara Sultan (Chief) at Leiko Iruna in the present > >>day Democratic Republic of the Congo. > >> > >>Aatte was a traditional herbalist dealing with pregnancy and fertility > >>complications. Aatte had among her patients in 1924-1929, Lady Irene > >>Druscilla Namaganda, the Nabagereka of Buganda and the Kabaka Sir Daudi > >>Chwa. > >> > >>Amin's parents married in 1921 in Arua, produced their first son in 1922, > >>a daughter in 1925 and Ango (Amin) in 1928. > >> > >>Idi Amin's father served in the 4th King's African Rifles (KAR) from 1915 > >>to 1920 and joined the Uganda Police in 1921. His job in the Uganda Police > >>was to administer corporal punishments called kibooko to natives. > >> > >>Idi Amin's parents separated in 1931 while living at a new police barracks > >>at Kololo. Apparently, the separation resulted from suspicion that Idi > >>Amin, the baby, had been fathered by Daudi Chwa rather than by Dada. > >> > >>Idi Amin's mother got money from the Kabaka and built a house at Kitubulu > >>near Entebbe. Amin's father, Dada, rejected him. > >> > >>He grew up with his maternal family. His brother and sister died in 1932. > >> > >>Three decades later, in 1964, Amin's father accepted him back. > >> > >>In 1933 Idi Amin lived with his mother's relatives at Mawale near Semuto > >>in the present Luwero district. There he reared goats from 1936 to 1938. > >>He then moved to the home of Sheikh Ahmed Hussein in the present Semuto > >>town from 1938 to 1940 where he started reciting the Koran. > >> > >>In 1940 he came to Bombo to live with his marternal uncle Yusuf Tanaboo. > >>He tried to register for the equivalent of Primary One but Nubians were > >>not admitted in schools. > >> > >>As a twelve-year-old Amin participated in the Nubian riots against > >>discrimination and was injured by Makerere College students at Wandegeya. > >> > >>In 1941 Amin joined Garaya Islamic school at Bombo, and again excelled in > >>reciting the Koran under Mohammed Al Rajab from 1941 -1944. > >> > >>Amin and Abdul Kadir Aliga won honours in reciting the Koran in 1943. > >> > >>At the end of 1944 Amin and fifteen other students at the Bombo Garaya > >>were taken for conscription into the army. Amin and five others were > >>released for being underage. > >> > >>He then went to the present Kiyindi zone at Kalerwe near Bwaise and > >>started doing odd jobs in 1945. > >>He got a job as a door hat and coat attendant at the Imperial Hotel at the > >>end of 1945. > >> > >>Later in 1946 a British army officer was impressed and offered to recruit > >>Idi Amin in the army. > >> > >>Amin served at Magamaga Barracks in Jinja as a laundry and kitchen army > >>staff as he trained until 1947 when he transferred to Kenya for real > >>military service. > >> > >>He served in the 21st KAR infantry brigade at Gilgil, until 1949 when his > >>unit moved to Somalia at Belet Uen to fight the Shifta animal raiders. > >> > >>In 1950, Amin's unit returned to Fort Hall in Kenya. There he trained in > >>the Scottish military band. > >>In 1951 he returned to Jinja but went back to Kenya the same year. > >> > >>In 1952 his battalion was deployed against the Mau Mau. Amin became > >>corporal the same year. > >> > >>In 1953 he became a sergeant for his role in starting the mobile foot > >>patrols in the forests occupied by the Mau Mau. > >> > >>Whi
ugnet_: Re: WON NYACI WITH THE BARRELLS, Rwot Langony..
What a question, I do not know, man! I guess, none under PRESENT form. There are lots of vital puzzles that the experts must first look into. There are many UN conventions as well as Ugandan constitution violated here. For example, if it is established that the UPDF is incapable of providing security and protection for Ugandan, then naturally other forms of ingripande (options?!) should be seriously considered. In the event the Ugandan Parliament approves of such, several of those loopholes have to be sealed: 1) Resource fördelning (sharing, allocation?!) is one. When Locals take over the responsibility of the Army, THEY SHOULD ALSO TAKE OVER MILITARY RESOURSES. They should have access to the funds available. In which case the Parliament have to decide on the administration and transfer of those resources to the local defense council. This includes of course, compensation in form of salaries since they are taking over the official liability of the Army. 2) Secondly, the age limits of those youths have to be established. This will not be easy. Uganda signed the UN-convention on education in Dakar (1990?!). Which guarantees all youth not only education but also qualitative education (I have forgotten the official reference of that convention, I check it out). There, Uganda has already failed in the North. 3) To the best of my knowledge, the number of Acoli that would suffice such an operation cannot be raised without touching on MINORS. That is my knowledge of the demographical catastrophe in Acoli. So the experts have a lot to crack here. 4) Acoli already have huge representation in the UPDF. Perhaps those can be transferred to the Local defense. 5) Perhaps the biggest question is of course under whose jurisdiction the local defense will operate. How the Local defense will be constituted. They should most probably be under the local council. Answer those and we can discuss further. rgds noc´l From: patrick nokrach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Culture, Peace and A Sustainable Future" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WON NYACI WITH THE BARRELLS, Rwot Langony.. Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:33:53 + _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --- Begin Message --- Which of the responses would you have wished Acholi leaders to have taken Patrick NokrachSkattegårdsgatan 1A59531 MjölbyTel;046-0142-42348Someone dies of hunger somewhere in the world every 3.6 seconds.Please visit: http://www.thehungersite.com and give someonea meal - at no cost! >From: NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Culture, Peace and A Sustainable Future" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: WON NYACI WITH THE BARRELLS, Rwot Langony.. >Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:36:36 + > >WON NYACI WITH THE BARRELL > >The Won (Rwon?!) Nyaci of Lango takes to the barrels >The Rwot of Koch grieves the eminent death of Abductees soldiers >Their counterparts in Teso wuc (dance) among the Arrows >Three regions of the same Uganda >Hit by the same Disaster >Respond so differently > >Symbolical of Ugandan unity?!?! > >Which ways to go Uganda PEOPLE´S Defense Forces? >rgds >noc´l > >_ >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Ta första steget Varför inte skicka en Virtuell Kyss till någon du gillar? --- End Message ---
ugnet_: WON NYACI WITH THE BARRELLS, Rwot Langony..
WON NYACI WITH THE BARRELL The Won (Rwon?!) Nyaci of Lango takes to the barrels The Rwot of Koch grieves the eminent death of Abductees soldiers Their counterparts in Teso wuc (dance) among the Arrows Three regions of the same Uganda Hit by the same Disaster Respond so differently Symbolical of Ugandan unity?!?! Which ways to go Uganda PEOPLE´S Defense Forces? rgds noc´l _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Re: Ministers sell Arrow Group plan in Gulu .....(wrong approach!!!!!!)
Wrong approach! Are we in a Lion eat grass situation? I do not think this is correct approach. It is one thing for the communities to structure their security infrastructure as a resort due to unprovided constitutional protection. Another, for the GOVERNMENT to neglect its liability. The ministers should work on the STATE ARMY and parliamentary support. They should ensure STATE PROTECTION to the citizen. It is not a contradiction here. That demarcation must be clear. The order should have been reversed. Ordinarily, mobilization of our defenseless citizens should FOLLOW THE STATE ARMY´S FAILURE. First then, should the people take matters in their hands. At the moment, it appears to me that the UPDF has not failed to curb down LRA insurgence. They have merely displayed INDIFFERENCE and negligence. The resources the UPDF have at hand are overwhelming. The WILL is a little si or so. Are the ministers telling us that the mighty UPDF army that traverse the entire Lake Region and spitfire IN DEFENCE OF THE CONGOLESE can not stand up to defend its own? Or are they telling us that Uganda does not have an army? The ministers should be ashamed if they come to mobilize the people to take to arms instead of coming to account for the security the government is to provide. Whereas the need to train and organize local defense could be an option to resort to, at ministerial level, it does not seem correct to me. Now they are accounting for inadequate state protection. It is almost as if they are now on a race to grab a few popular points from the peoples agony. I TOO CAN RESORT TO THE THINKING THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF STATE PROTECTION, OUR PEOPLE SHOULD BE TRAINED TO STRUCTURE AND COORDINATE THEIR SECURITY ENGAGEMENT. Thereby not said that they take the responsibility of the army. Rgds Noc´l gaumoy From: Angol David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Culture, Peace and A Sustainable Future" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ministers sell Arrow Group plan in Gulu Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:13:29 +0100 Ministers sell Arrow Group plan in Gulu By Frank Nyakairu August 14, 2003 Three ministers are in Gulu trying to "involve the civilian population in the fight against the Lord's Resistance Army rebels". The ministers are Ms Ruth Nankabirwa (state for Defence), Ms Betty Akech (state for Security) and Mr Okello Oryem (state for Sports). The ministers are talking to people in displaced camps, local councils and non-governmental organisations. "We are trying to talk to civilians to contribute towards ending this Kony war," Nankabirwa said yesterday. "The Acholi should emulate the Iteso and Langi who have decided to actively participate in the war," she said. The ministers yesterday visited the Gulu Save the Children Organisation (Gusco) and World Vision, the two NGOs which are at the forefront of rehabilitating formerly abducted children. The ministers also visited Amoro Internally Displaced Persons camp 56km west of Gulu town. It has more than 40,000 inhabitants. The army is also trying to mobilise a popular civilian uprising against the LRA rebels. "We are also mobilising. If we come across youths who are willing to take up arms against the rebels, we shall arm them," the army's 4th Division spokesman Lt. Paddy Ankunda said. The Arrow Group is a local militia fighting rebels in northern and northeastern Uganda. Meanwhile, the UN Secretary General's representative for the internally displaced people, was last evening expected to spend time with night commuters on Gulu town streets. The commuters are children who leave their homes in the suburbs of the towns every night in northern Uganda for fear of being abducted by the rebels. They sleep under the open sky at taxi parks or shopfront verandas. Dr Francis Deng was to spend about two hours with hundreds of families that take refuge on the streets. He met several leaders in Kitgum yesterday and was also expected to visit displaced peoples camps in Gulu today. © 2003 The Monitor Publications - Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Fwd: Situation in Uganda...
Mulindwa, Perhaps a visit to the site below accentuates "Baseearth" reality?! www.acholitoday.worldbreak.com rgds noc´l From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Situation in Uganda... Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:12:06 +0300 To all, I would like to introduce to you a very compelling human situation of the Acholi people in northern Uganda. Many of you probably have heard about President Bush's glorification of the HIV/AIDs success in Uganda. This is could be true in one way but false on the other. Today, there are over 800,000 Acholi people forced by the government of Yoweri Museveni to live in concentration camps in the northern part of the country. This is ostensibly to save them from attacks by rebels of the Lord's Resistance Army, LRA. But instead, the government troops have turned against the civilians by raping the women, girls and men thus infecting them with the HIV virus. As for today, the HIV rate in that part of the country is over 30%. Sadly, this was intentionally left out of the Bush visit. Other than that, since 1986 when Museveni became president of Uganda, over 300,000 Acholi have been killed, thousands maimed and amputated and over 20,000 children ubducted by the rebels. I will be showing vidoes and pictures on the conditions starting September 2003. To see what I am talking about, please visit; http://www.acholitoday.worldbreak.com See for yourself and please, pass this link along to all your friends, colleagues and those you can reach. Thank you very much, ATG. http://www.acholitoday.worldbreak.com - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ugnet_: Re: NOC'[MEN ABUSE CONTINUE IN UGANDA]
Yeah, man, Some people have exceptional abilities to love and be loved. Would I have those them have wings. For the moment I prefer the love to love variety. In Acoli we say " MA INYIMI AYE MA MEGI" ( What you have is what you got). Alternatively, you harvest what you sow! Sorry for the brother, though, who could not communicate with his wife. Appropå det, who was that son of a bitch who started the ego grab idea called marriage? hugs noc´l From: Assumpta Kintu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Re: NOC'[MEN ABUSE CONTINUE IN UGANDA] Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Noc' Well said. Probably I am putting our men on pedestals, but in adult life, it takes two to tangle. We all go in knowing that 50% we will be accepted and 50% rejected. If itisn't mutual you count your losses and move onfor there is still plenty of fish in the see; or else many of us would have killed ourselves long ago. It sounds like there is more to this story than what meets the eye. Since I am not Kojack or Magaal of Hawaii 504 I will give it a rest. Have a great new week everyone! --- NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hejsan Mary, > Seems to me that although a spade is being called > the small spoon here, IT > IS LOVE they are referring to. It is love mystified > as SEX. > > Our man appears to have craved love from his wife. > That probably explains > why other options were excluded. > > Some love have mite. Mite is mighty, they say! > rgds > noc´l > > >From: Assumpta Kintu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: MEN ABUSE CONTINUE IN UGANDA > >Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 02:53:12 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Mr. Mulindwa, > >Pardon me for my naivity, but in my naivity, > >upbringing etc. I have never seen or even for seen > a > >so badly starved money sexually he had to commit > >suicide. Are you sure. > >In this world where women outnumber men almost 3 to > >one why wouldn't the man talk to another woman > before > >he starved and finally killed himself > >And let us not forget that in our culture our men > run > >the show. > >So please forgive me but your story does a good > sale > >but carries no credibility. I still want to > believe > >that my African Ugandan Man has a backbone to > approach > >a woman and win, and if he does not move on to > another > >available woman instead of being cowardly and kill > >himself. I do not remember my man ever being such a > >jelly fish! > >amk > >--- Mulindwa Edward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sexually starved man commits Suicide > > > > > > A man who is alleged to have threatened to kill > > > himself for being sexually starved by his wife > for 6 > > > months has finally hung himself. > > > > > > Virado Bukenya who is 40 a peasant farmer and > > > charcoal dealer Kisizidi village in Bageze sub > > > county Mbubende district was found dead in his > > > bedroom. > > > > > > Virado always blamed his wife for starving him > > > sexually instead of fulfilling her conjugal > > > obligation. > > > > > > Bukenya's death brings the number of people > > > committing suicide over sexual starvation to > four in > > > a month in the same area. > > > > > > Recently Juma Senyonga a butcher in Mubende town > > > committed suicide after his wife starved him > > > sexually for three months. > > > > > > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > > > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > > > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans > > > l'anarchie" > > > > > > > > >__ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ugnet_: A NURSE TO FACE FIRING SQUAD
Sisterhoods of Man, I still do not get any wiser after reading our sisters exaggerated attempts to make us men the scape-goats and scapegraces upon this tragedy. Is this the new variety of "Feminism"? Educate me! rgds noc´l From: Assumpta Kintu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: A NURSE TO FACE FIRING SQUAD Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Hello Lisa and my sister! You are absolutely right. Parents take their children to schools to learn not to have fraudrant visiters of this type. I hope the parents sue the school and the woman before she faces the firing squard. It also makes you wonder what has become of the mothers of the Continent Africa. I remember a time when if you mothered one child, you mothered the world and you would never think of a sick plan like the one this woman developed and executed (unless you were unfortunate to be recruited by the YKM of the African Continent, similar to China the child soldier??. The man who rejected her had great instincts and wonderful common sense and intelligence. She is a murderer not a wife or a mother!!! It is sad day for Mother Africa. Do you suppose if "our men" stopped killing each other and making women and children homeless or ended the forcing of the children to become murderers at an early age, this would stop?? Why do our men jump at the first opportunity offered to them by the Western Imperialists to kill themselves and all of us? What can the African Woman do to save herself and her children all of whom most of our men have sholved aside for guns and show of power? It is great to dialogue with you. To members of the forum, have a great week. Thank you for putting up with my poor typing. However those of ou who were on this forum the time we cared to be Ugandans and introduced ourselves full-heartedly were warned then. I will not name those who I still see. But thanks again! amk --- Lisa Toro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have no sympathy for a woman / human being who can > do this! But then failure of systems to safe > guard children and the vulnerable is the major > cause. How can some one who is not a parent be > allowed this kind of access to CHILDREN in school? > Madness!!! > > TORO > - Original Message - > From: Mulindwa Edward > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Rwanda ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; > Lili Knight > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:29 PM > Subject: ugnet_: A NURSE TO FACE FIRING SQUAD > > > Nurse faces firing squad > > By Ange Ngu Thomas > BBC, Douala > > > A nurse in Cameroon has been sentenced to > death by a firing squad for deliberately injecting > two of her lover's children with HIV and Hepatitis B > contaminated blood. > > > > The High Court in Nkongsamba convicted Yango > Huguette Laure of attempted murder. > > The judgement in the high profile trial has > been welcomed by most Cameroonians. > > The judge concluded that by injecting the > two children, 11 and 15-years old, with the > contaminated blood, Laure wanted revenge on their > father, who she claimed broke a promise to marry > her. > > Recounting her story to the court the nurse > said she went to the school compound where the > children were in classes and deceived both the > school authorities that she had instructions from > their father to inject them against Tuberculosis and > Tetanus. > > The court was told that she then led the > children to a quiet corner of the school, where she > injected them with the contaminated blood. > > Tests > > During the first hearing of the case, the > judge requested a medical test to be conducted on > the defendant, youngsters and their father. > > The results of the test showed that the > nurse and the children were all HIV positive, but > their father, was HIV negative. > > The father of the children admitted in court > that the lady had been his girlfriend, but that they > had separated two years ago. > > It took the High Court in Nkongsamba 18 > months to assemble all the evidence. > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans > l'anarchie" > > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif name=99.gif > ATTACHMENT part 3 image/jpeg name=_39391183_cameroon_douala_203map.jpg __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infoco
ugnet_: TOO MUCH OF LITTLE MIXED-UP!!!
TOO MUCH OF LITTLE MIXED-UP!! Subsequent anti-LRA development in Teso and Lango reveals a lot of black holes: Firstly, it tells us a lot about support for (or lack of) the LRA. There has been some paradoxical, though distorted, argument by certain elements (including some PPC representatives) that the LRA brutality was despite all, warranted. I believe, we now see clear evidence on the contrary. We now see people in Lango and Teso who stand up to say no amount of political madness is worth the blood of their commonality. The massage is sound and clear: Dont mess with our people! So what consensus does the LRA have? Secondly, we can no longer blink to the fact that Acoli community leadership has been a stumbling block. The contrast in mentality, approach and structure tells a lot. In Lango for example, The Won Nyaci or Rwot Nyaci himself plus the youth leaders (ref: Rupiny) leads the cohesive anti LRA campaign. In Acoli there is no such rally. We have said it before; that in all organizations the toughest hurdle to jump is that from within. I think now it is clear that LRA atrocities in Acoli have persisted due to among others lack of unity from within (schism from within the community leadership). Analogue with similar situations in other regions now transpire that fact that several people established before but got scourged for it. I believe now we can no longer over look the fact that internal cleansing from within the peace vanguards is essential. We cannot have democrats, reactionaries, republicans, revolutionaries, socialists and god knows, all operating from the same platform. It should not be enough just to be an Acoli to involve in any Acoli endeavor. It has to be people who are committed and comply with the same ideal and approach. Acoli-yaa itself is the death of Acoli?! Rgds Noc´la gau _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Re: [AcoliForum] Fwd: [Ugandacom] Re: A People's War
Comrades and especially political so, Mates Aniap, Ocure and Matek this is especially for you, what are your personal positions? Seems to me that this is very serious development (positive or negative). It was not so long ago when certain observers pointed out the contrast in the magnitude of response and the structure of "ODURO" (cry of distress or call for help) in our northern districts. I believe it is very important that we get some CLEAR comments from our established political parties. Perhaps some people do not get the beef embroiled. As an Acoli, I would really want to know why the UPC for example, reacts differently to similar atrocious acts committed by the same perpetrators in varied locations? And from our Acoli leaders, we should also pressurize comments and opinions because it is our democratic rights to know how they really think about our peoples protection. And, most importantly, how they are biased. Please do not get me wrong, ethnicity is not ethnicism! I notice that many PPC members have not reacted. Sufferance is support! When the vampires spread dung in Acoli, politicians are quick to couple it with national politics where as in other areas as in Lango and Teso for this matter, the PEOPLE`S IMMEDIATE SECURITY IS DEVINE PRIORITY. Yet, they tell my people to do nothing but wait for the movement government to be overthrown. WHY IS IT SO? Why does the UPC not tell the Langi and Atesot not to structure their security because that is constitutionally a government liability only (as they always advice the Acoli)? Moreover, there is risk that the local commonality sees the LRA as Acoli. Many have pointed out this contrast. President Musseveni for one pointed out this. Rgds Noc´l gaumoy >From: "Elum aniap Godfrey Ayoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Ugandacom] Re: A People's War >Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 12:08:59 +0200 > >Picturally; Amuka(a Lango word) translated as Rhino in English language is >the symbolic emblem of Lango District (community), It is coincidential that >the name Rhino appears in the designations of Radio Rhino >International-Africa co-founded by myself and others, Radio Rhino FM based >in Lira and (now) Amuka (Rhino) Defence Voluntary Force. > >Godfrey > > - Original Message - > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:51 AM > Subject: A People's War > > > Wow .. I hear Rhino Defense!!! > > A People's War > > New Vision (Kampala)COLUMN > August 12, 2003 > Posted to the web August 12, 2003 Kampala JOSEPH Kony's LRA rebels are >facing an unprecedented hostile environment. In Teso the people set up the >Arrow Group to curb rebel attacks and infiltration into the region. > > Now the Langi have mooted the Amuka (Rhino) defence voluntary force to >fight the rebels. It is bad news for Kony; a people's war against LRA is >forming. Tired of being soft targets, the people are now volunteering to >assist the army end the rebellion. This should put to shame laid-back >politicians kicking government for failing to end the war but silent about >LRA's brutality towards innocent civilians. > > Silence, as an opposition strategy against the Government is wrong. It's >time to change.Criticising and blaming the Government for the 16-year war >is fine. But whoever does so should come out with better alternatives to >deal with the insurgency. The Government has, besides the military option, >tried out other means like the amnesty and presidential pardon of 1987-1992 >which the LRA wasted. > > The rebels failed the 1993-1994 peace talks.The Government set up a >peace team last year to negotiate, but the LRA has not reciprocated. >Instead, the LRA frustrated the Government team's attempts to meet its >leaders in April this year. The LRA failed to honour its own ceasefire >declaration and that extended by the Government early this year.Above all, >the Amnesty Act allows LRA fighters to seek pardon and be resettled. What >else should the Government do?A popular uprising should be the final >solution to Kony's intransigence. > > True, it's the Government's business to fight insurgency. But it is a >responsibility of every person to contribute. For this to be possible, >politicians and local leaders must mobilise the people. It started in Teso, >now it is in Lango, next should be Acholi and gradually the whole nation >should be armed to end this Kony nonsense. > > > > > "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield >the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the >lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its >powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, >and thus by extension, the truth becom
Re: ugnet_: MEN ABUSE CONTINUE IN UGANDA
Hejsan Mary, Seems to me that although a spade is being called the small spoon here, IT IS LOVE they are referring to. It is love mystified as SEX. Our man appears to have craved love from his wife. That probably explains why other options were excluded. Some love have mite. Mite is mighty, they say! rgds noc´l From: Assumpta Kintu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: MEN ABUSE CONTINUE IN UGANDA Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 02:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Mr. Mulindwa, Pardon me for my naivity, but in my naivity, upbringing etc. I have never seen or even for seen a so badly starved money sexually he had to commit suicide. Are you sure. In this world where women outnumber men almost 3 to one why wouldn't the man talk to another woman before he starved and finally killed himself And let us not forget that in our culture our men run the show. So please forgive me but your story does a good sale but carries no credibility. I still want to believe that my African Ugandan Man has a backbone to approach a woman and win, and if he does not move on to another available woman instead of being cowardly and kill himself. I do not remember my man ever being such a jelly fish! amk --- Mulindwa Edward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sexually starved man commits Suicide > > A man who is alleged to have threatened to kill > himself for being sexually starved by his wife for 6 > months has finally hung himself. > > Virado Bukenya who is 40 a peasant farmer and > charcoal dealer Kisizidi village in Bageze sub > county Mbubende district was found dead in his > bedroom. > > Virado always blamed his wife for starving him > sexually instead of fulfilling her conjugal > obligation. > > Bukenya's death brings the number of people > committing suicide over sexual starvation to four in > a month in the same area. > > Recently Juma Senyonga a butcher in Mubende town > committed suicide after his wife starved him > sexually for three months. > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans > l'anarchie" > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: ugnet_: Ex-UPA Rebels to Aid Army in Teso
Brotherhoods and sisterhoods of man, There is some thing strange in contrasting counter reactions to rebel terror in Acoli, Lango and Teso. In Acoli, there is always this mystified aura of indifference and sufferance. In the other districts, the perpetrators are more "universally" defined. How do you see it? rgds noc´l From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Ex-UPA Rebels to Aid Army in Teso Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:55:05 EDT Ex-UPA Rebels to Aid Army in Teso http://allafrica.com/publishers.html?passed_name=New%20Vision&passed_location=Kampala";>New Vision (Kampala) June 26, 2003 Posted to the web June 26, 2003 Nathan Etengu And John Thawite Kampala Former rebels of the Uganda People's Army (UPA) have regrouped and joined the UPDF to fight the LRA rebels who recently entered Teso region. The rebels, together with their former commanders, were among the contingent of forces deployed to various destinations in Soroti and Katakwi districts on Tuesday. Kasese resident district commissioner Musa Ecweru has temporarily left his office and joined government forces to fight against the insurgency. Ecweru, who hails from Teso, said he was marshalling veterans of the defunct UPA to fight alongside the UPDF. Ecweru, who was the defence minister in the UPA, said he would return to his office after the LRA was contained. "I am lending a hand to the army commander, Brig. Aronda Nyakairima, who is overseeing the operation," he said. Ecweru, in a separate interview on Monday, said the rebels would either be defeated on Teso land or sent back to where they came from. He said former UPA rebel commanders and their combatants including Lt. Andrew Akongel, Habibu and others, had offered to join the UPDF. Sam Otai, a former UPA deputy commander-in-chief, told the new vision as he boarded a trailer to northern Soroti that, "We know the area very well and are therefore committed to routing the thugs out of our land." Kaberamaido MP John Eresu said former army commander Lt. Gen. Jeje Odongo had requested the president to allow the UPA former combatants to join the fight against the LRA rebels. He said more than 2,000 former rebels had offered to fight alongside the UPDF to rout out the LRA rebels from the Teso region. The UPA fought the Movement government from 1987 to 1993 when most of its combatants surrendered. LRA leader Kony reportedly operated in Teso region when his rebels were still on good terms with the UPA rebels. _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: Rebels abduct 100 Lwala schoolgirls
Brotherhoods of man, Problem is, be it a government strategy to open up "corridors ya ku maliza" or the LRAs new won guts, our innocent commonality are being sacrificed for their destiny. Question is, is it correct? Citizens must not be made to be within the firing ranges. rgds noc´l From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: Rebels abduct 100 Lwala schoolgirls Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:12:53 -0400 UGANDA: Army revises number of schoolgirls abducted by rebels KAMPALA, 25 June (IRIN) - The Ugandan army has denied that 100 schoolgirls were abducted by Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) rebels in the Kaberamaido district of northern Uganda. According to Ugandan radio, army spokesman Major Shaban Bantariza said 29 girls had been kidnapped when rebels attacked Rwara school near the town of Soroti on Tuesday. "Students ran away from the school in disarray, making it difficult to ascertain the number affected," he stated. The Ugandan army's northeastern division commander, Col Andrew Guti, confirmed to IRIN on Wednesday that rebels had attacked the school and ambushed a passenger bus in the same district, but the number of casualties was not yet known. Earlier reports said an estimated 100 students were abducted from the school, while three people were reportedly killed when the bus was attacked. Observers note that the LRA appears to be expanding its sphere of attack. It has also recently carried out attacks in Adjumani, Katakwi and Soroti districts - the latter two being hundreds of kilometres southeast of Gulu, the principal town in the north and hitherto a main target of LRA raids. The government insists that the recent surge in LRA attacks does not signify any victory by the rebels. President Yoweri Museveni has publicly stated it is because the rebels are under so much pressure in their traditional areas of occupation that they are spreading southwards. "Now is a matter of mere survival for those rebels," he told the state-owned daily 'New Vision'. "They are just roaming bandits...they can't sustain it." The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: NOC´LADUMAS GEORGES To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: Rebels abduct 100 Lwala schoolgirls Gook, Now this is serious, hey! 100 (!!!) poor school girls! In those days of hell, Lakwena´s Stone-grenade soldiers rushed through the corridor like wild fire. Now the LRA raids instensify through Northern and Eastern Uganda in similar monster, is history recurrence on the making for the fate of the LRA (rd. UPDFs strategic opening) or has the LRA finally gutted up for State House?! The figures of abductees calls for cautious apprehensions. RGDS noc´l >From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: ugnet_: Rebels abduct 100 Lwala schoolgirls >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:44:48 + > _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: ugnet_: Rebels abduct 100 Lwala schoolgirls
Gook, Now this is serious, hey! 100 (!!!) poor school girls! In those days of hell, Lakwena´s Stone-grenade soldiers rushed through the corridor like wild fire. Now the LRA raids instensify through Northern and Eastern Uganda in similar monster, is history recurrence on the making for the fate of the LRA (rd. UPDFs strategic opening) or has the LRA finally gutted up for State House?! The figures of abductees calls for cautious apprehensions. RGDS noc´l From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Rebels abduct 100 Lwala schoolgirls Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:44:48 + _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ugnet_: Rebels abduct 100 Lwala schoolgirls
Gook, Now this is serious, hey! 100 (!!!) poor school girls! In those days of hell, Lakwena´s Stone-grenade soldiers rushed through the corridor like wild fire. Now the LRA raids instensify through Northern and Eastern Uganda in similar monstre, is history recurrence on the making for the fate of the LRA (rd. UPDFs strategic openning) or has the LRA finally guted up for State House?! The figures of abductees calls for cautious apprehensions. RGDS noc´l From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Rebels abduct 100 Lwala schoolgirls Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:44:48 + _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --- Begin Message --- Rebels abduct 100 Lwala schoolgirlsBy Patrick Ebong June 25, 2003 Suspected rebels yesterday raided Lwala Girls Senior Secondary School and abducted 100 girls as the security situation further deteriorated. "They raided Lwala Girls Secondary School in Kaberamaido district and took away about 100 girls," army spokesman Maj. Shaban Bantariza told the AFP by telephone. "But our helicopters are trying to locate them so that they may be rescued," Bantariza said. Roman Catholic Church sources in Soroti confirmed the mass abduction at the Catholic-founded school, found 6 miles from Dokolo trading centre in Lira, the AFP reported. The school has about 400 students. The rebels have extended their areas of operation from northern Uganda to the Teso sub region. Kaberamaido LCV Chairman, Mr Victor Ekesu, told The Monitor on phone that the rebels entered the area between 11 p.m. on Monday night and 6 a.m. on Tuesday. "My brother, the situation here is bad. The rebels yesterday attacked us and abducted girls," Mr Ekesu said from Kaberamaido. Kaberamaido borders Soroti district to the west. The district is in panic according to Ekesu, who told The Monitor that he has himself fled to Kalaki sub-county, more than 15km from the Kaberamaido district headquarters. The rebels also looted merchandise from neighbouring Otuboi trading centre. During the raid on Lwala mission, Ekesu said, the rebels roughed up a Catholic priest, Fr William Ejuru. They grabbed Shs 3 million from the house of an elderly priest, Fr Van de Hardt. They also beat up the 70-year-old missionary. There was anxiety in Soroti town yesterday morning as the army moved out more battle vehicles and troops along the Soroti-Mbale road. At 6 a.m. a Gateway Bus was ambushed by suspected rebels at Katine-Kalaki junction, 12km from Soroti town along the Soroti-Lira road. The bus was travelling from Ochero, Kaberamaido district. The Monitor could not establish the causality figures, but one man Peter Ebucu and two others were confirmed dead.Several passengers were injured while others were taken captive. "The driver was hit, but managed to drive through the ambush up to a certain point, where he stopped the bus, because he had over-bled, and the locals helped him and took him to hospital," Bantariza said last night. Fifteen vehicles travelling from Lira to Soroti yesterday cancelled their journeys. The vehicles were supposed to move under a military convoy but the authorities felt it was unsafe to move even with army escort. © 2003 The Monitor Publications Gook "You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."- Malcom X STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* --- End Message ---
Fwd: ugnet_: THE TODAY'S I TOLD YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(KONG WUNENO ENO)
Joo mamito kwano! Mewa kono waco ningo?! From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ugnet_: THE TODAY'S I TOLD YOU !!! Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:06:12 -0400 Netters Here we are with some facts coming out in today's New Vision. As I have stated before Federalists are looking for federal for Buganda, and we can twist all words as we love but those are the facts. Well here we are today when the Youths of Mpigi are asking for the very same thing promised to them by the federalists. In fact even Mr Kalule Sengo, a full MP stated and I quote " Be calm, Buganda will get federal any time." So if you have been out there thinking that federalists are fighting for a federal system in Uganda, go back to bed and wake up again. And it is this kind of double standards played by Federalists that has made them a joke, for the Ugandans of 2003 are not the same as the Ugandans of 1930 and you can count on that. What is coming up next? Well it is going to be the most interesting steps taken by Museveni, some schools of thought are stating that Museveni in his master plan of 2006 elections, he is going to make sure that Buganda has lost much of the land it had, then much of her properties will be sold off, and then the movement will sit with the federalists and offer them a some kind of half backed status in Uganda. And you bet Museveni has planed his third term thanks to the unfocused federalists. "Ffe akalulu Ka Museveni waffe" Em Mpigi Youth Want Federo The youth in Mpigi have vowed to pull out of the Movement if it refused to grant Buganda federo, reports Patrick Serugo. While touring development projects in Gomba county recently, area MP Kalule Sengo was told by the youth that they were to pull out of the system if the Government did not grant a federo system to Buganda by 2006. "We are tired of being deceived every time by the Government. We have agitated for federo for so long but our dear government has kept a deaf ear,'' the youth told Sengo in Bukandula village. At a meeting attended by the LC3 chairman Kabulassoke sub-county, Moses Muzuula, residents said they were likely to support the 'third term' if Buganda was granted a federo system of government. "We are ready to support the third term if the government grants federo to Buganda kingdom,'' they said. They asked why the Movement leaders did raise the federo issue to the Constitutional Review Commission. They asked Ssengo to mobilise fellow MPs to press the Government on federo. However, Ssengo advised them to go slow on federo and assured them that federo would be on their way any time. "Be calm, Buganda will get federo any time,'' Ssengo advised them. Ends The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
