Re: [Ugnet] Fw: UNAA Convention Boat Sinks - Amidst DoubleDealingandGreed (Who is fooling who?)

2006-08-29 Thread Kistmo
Shame on all of you who thrive on putting down anything you get wind of, often 
without depth.

The convention is firmly on track. When it is all over, I can't imagine what 
the naysayers will latch onto. San Francisco watch out!

Stephen Kisambir

In a message dated 8/28/2006 7:13:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Simon Nume 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Mw Mulindwa
>
>  The new thing that will step up will have learnt from previous mistakes. 
> They would know what they want and how to stop conmen from hijacking it
>
>  They will therefore build safeguards against cheap opportunists trying  to 
> hijack the organisation, and hopefully will achieve build an organisation 
> which will survive crooks and and conmen from everywhere.
>
>  Nume
>
>
>  Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>      Mwaami Nume
>
>  Good sentiments indeed and annoying as they are thanks for the notes. I only 
> have to add just a few lines that in the more than twenty years I have lived 
> in this society, I have learned to run any institution on the standards of 
> this society. It is not about Mwaami Nume it is not about Dr. Muniini Mulera 
> but on what is right. That is what we as a people must do, that is what makes 
> us an Ugandans yell when we see an organization getting out of track. UNAA is 
> dead and another institution will pop up, kindly give me a good reason why 
> that other institution will not die as UNAA has died. That is the question 
> today.
>
>  Have a good week end Ssebo
>
>  Em
>  Toronto
>
>   The Mulindwas Communication Group
>"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
>            Groupe de communication Mulindwas
>"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
>
>    - Original Message -
>  From: Simon Nume
>  To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda
>  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:39 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Fw: UNAA Convention Boat Sinks - Amidst Double 
> DealingandGreed (Who is fooling who?)
>
>
>
>
>
>  Mulindwa
>
>  I think that the decision NOT to save UNAA must have been reached by the 
> same people who started and carried UNAA for the last 17 years.
>
>  When the likes of Wanda took on UNAA,  they failed to register one important 
> fact. That UNAA was started by volunteers who themselves supported the event.
>
>  When Muniini decided to sell UNAA to M7, they wrongly assumed that the 
> supporters had no other choice but to follow UNAA into NRM and into M7.
>  At the time I remember you pointing out the folly of taking UNAA to Uganda.
>
>  They failed to realise that UNAA organisers in the past put their money down 
> and organised the convention based on trust and integrity among the 
> organisers (Obuntu)
>  They would therefore not double cross each other by organising rival boats 
> and other such greedy scams.
>
>  Since the Wanda's had no money to organise the convention, they sold it to 
> NRM hoping that it will bankroll them. When they were threatened with the 
> FARA law, Wanda's fate was sealed. He could no longer sell the thing to 
> M7,and he had no money to put in the convention. He therefore resorted to 
> suing the other boat, and to selling visas in Uganda to no avail.
>
>  I think the lesson to all Ugandans should be that they should not attempt to 
> do things beyond their capacity and comprehension.
>  Wanda and co had no money or experience or goodwill to organize a convention 
> and most importantly the man failed to remember who come to the convention 
> and why.
>
>  With such stupidity around, do you wonder why nobody saved UNAA ??
>
>  UNAA deserves to die and other events will take its place.
>
>  Nume
>
>
>
>
>
>Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>      Mukasa
>
>  You know all these information's are very good when we get them but we need 
> to ask our selves, why we failed to save that organization before it even 
> reached at this terrible stage. That is what we need to wonder about. Why was 
> it only Edward Mulindwa crying for this organization? Why did every one keep 
> quite when it was being driven on a freight train? For today I see nothing in 
> UNAA to save, the organization is done and you join it due to either 
> ignorance or plain stupidity. But why did we fail to save it?
>
>  That is why Yoweri Museveni has been a leader of Uganda for this long, for 
> the problem of Uganda is not leadership but population.
>
>  Em
>  Toronto
>
>   The Mulindwas Communication Group
>"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
>            Groupe de communication Mulindwas
>"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
>
>    - Original Message -
>  From: mukasa jude
>  To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda
>  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:35 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Fw: UNAA Convention Boat Sinks - Amidst Double 
> Dealingand Greed (Who is fooling who?)
>
>
>  You all know the details that came out of the lawsuit orchestrated by Wanda 
> and Harriet Zaffoni. By court order, the two boats ar

Re: [Ugnet] Please UNSCRIBE ME! The effects of incessant spewing of sundry!

2005-09-12 Thread kistmo
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Re: [Ugnet] GOOK FLIES OUT OF UPC AND JOINS FDC

2005-09-07 Thread kistmo

Always captious. Always offended and offensive. Always an Internet addict. Nothing of consequence, except an incessant string of messages. 
 
Using the delete key would remove the wind underneath such barrage.
 
 
Sitefano -Original Message-From: Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: ugandanet@kym.netSent: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:15:47 -0500Subject: Re: [Ugnet] GOOK FLIES OUT OF UPC AND JOINS FDC


Obviously you can bloviate all you want. It's your right. But remember, we are having this conversation only because you attempted to cast aspersions on my original remark.  Edward Mulindwa wrote:  > Vukoni > > And since you have that right, what is so complex in allowing me to > have a right to be offended? Just curious !!! > > Em > Toronto > > The Mulindwas Communication Group > "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas > "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > - Original Message - From: "Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To:  > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] GOOK FLIES OUT OF UPC AND JOINS FDC > > >> EM, >> >> You don't get it. If it is true that Gook left UPC to join FDC, he >> must have seen something in FDC that UPC doesn't have. Whether FDC is >> NRM or not doesn't change the fact that he left or why. And I don't >> have to have any hand or opinion in the matter or to buy into >> anything (as Owor Kipenji thinks). I'm just noting the political >> reality of somebody trading horses. >> >> vukoni >> >> >> >> Edward Mulindwa wrote: >> >>> Vukoni >>> That is true but FDC is still NRM man give me a break. >>> Em >>> Toronto >>> The M
 ulindwas Communication Group >>> "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" >>> Groupe de communication Mulindwas >>> "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]  >>> *To:* ugandanet@kym.net  >>> *Cc:* ugandanet@kym.net  >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:08 PM >>> *Su
 bject:* RE: [Ugnet] GOOK FLIES OUT OF UPC AND JOINS FDC >>> >>> Any political orgnization that hemorrhages members has to ask >>> itself why. It can't be the same reason each time someone leaves. >>> >>> >>>  Original Message  >>> Subject: Re: [Ugnet] GOOK FLIES OUT OF UPC AND JOINS FDC >>> From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > >>> Date: Tue, September 06, 2005 7:06 am >>> To: ugandanet@kym.net  >>> >>&
 gt; Good riddance! >>> Kipenji >>> >>> */David Nyende <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >/* wrote: >>> >>> Gook has seen LIGHT. >>> David M. Nyende >>> PARTNER >>> Johnson & Nyende >>> Certified Public Accountants >>> 3rd Floor Crusader House >>> Portal Avenue >>> P. O. Box 6164, Kampala, Uganda. >>> Tel. 256-41-235881/3; 256-31-262298/9 >>> Mobile: 256-71-444586 >>> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> . >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Edward Mulindwa  >>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
 ;>>  >>> *Cc:* gook makanga  ; >>> Florence Namutebi  ; >>> ugandanet@kym.net  >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:07 AM >>> *Subject:* [Ugnet] GOOK FLIES OUT OF UPC AND JOINS FDC >>> >>> Ugandans >>> Reliable sources are informing The Communication Group >>> that Godfrey Akanga "Gook", My fellow Luwerorian has&n
 bsp;>>> deserted UPC to FDC with a high post too. >>> Yea as the jaw is dropping it is true to the dot. >>> For the record, the elections going to happen in >>> Uganda is a fracas, I know that and you know that, and >>> Gook my best friend knows it. We have allot of stress >>> on our population especially those in exile. >>> But we have even the Kibuuka's who swear on the bible >>> that Federalism in Uganda is not going to happen so it >>> is better they drop it and go to join NRM government >>> so that they can fight it from the inside. >>> I have been in this struggle a very long time, it is >>> more than 19 years now, but I prefer to make a >>> statement that I will back up tomorrow, and that >>> statement might as well be wrong.
  But I will not join >>> NRM or any dying political party in this life time. >>> For the lives of Ugandans involved in this gamble mean >>> more to me than personal gains. But that is me and not >>> Gook or Mukulu Kibuuka. >>> We were born in very strange days indeed, that is why >>> I should sleep tonight this offended >>> Em >>> Toronto >>> The Mulindwas Communication Group >>> "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" >>> Groupe de communication Mulindwas >>> "avec Yoweri Museveni, 

Re: [Ugnet] Re: from the convention host

2005-09-02 Thread kistmo

Well, there are critics, naysayers and nitpickers. Then there are the doers.  I would rather err on the side of the the doers than nitpickers. Besides, associations are formed to serve particular purposes. To ridicule an organization that does not suit your purpose is pedestrian.
 
Sitefano  -Original Message-From: Edward Mulindwa To: Ssennoga, Francis Cc: ugandacom@yahoogroups.com; Florence Namutebi ; ugandanet@kym.netSent: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:14:00 -0400Subject: [Ugnet] Re: from the convention host


Ugandans  "this is a convention with a big package; politics, elections, entertainment, beauty pageant, tradition, "  How relevant are these issues to a Ugandan today in Diaspora? What about our children embroiled in crime/s? What about our kids on murder trials that now we even have a current one in New York? Just how about the North of our country which the UN stated that we are loosing a thousand Ugandans a day? Ssenoga do you realize that today Northerners are even beating the rest of population in Diaspora?  Is our major problem today, politics elections entertainment and beauty pageant?
  And when you talk about tradition, tradition of whom? Acholis or Langis?  We are truly screwed up society indeed and Museveni has every right to rule Uganda to death.  Em Toronto  The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"   Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"  - Original Message - From: "Ssennoga, Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:07 PM Subject: from the convention host  > The convention preparation effort ends today. You have given us your > support and your trust to host you, let's us give you one of the best > convention experience in Minneapolis. > > Much as we are prepared to give you the best, we have to all realise that > this is a convention with a big package; politics, elections, > entertainment, > beauty pageant, tradition, etc. Let us all ensure that all this happens > in > a harmonious way. Minneapolis has put in place measures to ensure yo
 ur > satisfaction but we shall expect that attendants remain calm even in > heated > campaigns or political discussion. Let us give each other an opportunity > to > be heard and stick with the issues at hand. Let us keep our debates civil > and our goal will be accomplished. We have to all come together on this. > > Have a good stay in Minneapolis all of you who are travelling to > Minneapolis > > Francis Ssennoga > Publicity Director Minneapolis > Candidate UNAA Secretary 2005 - 2007 > >  ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugand
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[Ugnet] Ugandan Surgeon Dead; allegedly murdered by his son

2005-08-27 Thread Kistmo




I just learnt that Dr Kazigo's body has been found. It is a homicide. The 
son was arrested this morning and it is reported that he confessed to the 
killing of his father. Friends and relatives of the late Dr Kazigo are now 
organizing a wake at the deceased home in Westchester. The address is 172 Route 
202, Sommers, NY 10589. I will be leaving shortly but we are at a loss for 
words. It is such a tragedy! 
 
Sitefano
 
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  Cops search for missing NUMC doctor
  


  



  
  

  
 FROM 
  NEWSDAY.COMAugust 26, 2005, 12:16 PM EDTNassau 
  County police are looking for a missing Nassau University Medical Center 
  emergency room surgeon, who they believe disappeared under suspicious 
  circumstances.Dr. 
  Joseph Kazigo was reported missing by the staff at NUMC, located in East 
  Meadow, after he failed to show up for two shifts earlier this 
  week.The hospital today said Kazigo has been an 
  emergency room surgeon since 1998. They notified police when he failed to show 
  up f or work this week.Nassau police have set up a crime scene 
  investigation at 713 Pleasant Avenue in Westbury, a location where Kazigo was 
  known to have stayed on occasion. 
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Re: [Ugnet] KFM Radio licence suspended

2005-08-11 Thread kistmo
Telltale actions of a wolfish government that has been duplicitously sheepish this far. They may not physically kill you, but they surely have a knack of taking away your livelihood. If you can't be bribed, they will cow you until you cower into a cowish vagabond. Remember: they are basically cow-keepers with an ingrained sense of cowing.
 
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The Broadcasting Council a few moments ago wrote to Monitor Publications, informing them that they were suspending the broadcasting licence of their station, KFM. The cause was the Andrew Mwenda live of last evening in which he criticised M& for threatening to ban The Monitor, The Observer and Red Pepper (or any paper/ media that wrote about security issues). The radio has been switched off by its management. Group MD Conrad Nkutu called the suspension of the licence illegal, but said they were complying because they are a law-abiding company. In the meantime, they are taking up the issue with authorities. Mwenda was this evening set to host Dr Nsaba Butur
 o, the minister in charge of information. WTel: +256-77-406241 


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[Ugnet] Govt sold National Housing without the knowledge of PU

2005-07-12 Thread kistmo





All the Movement has done is to sell, sell and sell. Talk of progress...!
 
 
Govt sold National Housing without the knowledge of PU 


ELIAS BIRYABAREMA
Daily Monitor, 12/7/2005


KAMPALA 
 
THE government by-passed the Privatisation Unit in the sale of the 49 percent stake of the National Housing and Construction Corporation (NHCC) to the Libyan government, an anomaly that has apparently infuriated officials. Information available to Daily Monitor shows that the PU - created by the Public Enterprises Reform and Divestiture Statute 1993 and charged with the mandate of disposing of all public companies - to its utter astonishment, only learned about the NHCC deal from the press on June 17, when it was first reported. 
 
 
...Established in 1964 by the Obote I govt, the NHCC aims at increasing the number of modern house owners in Uganda and rehabilitating the housing industry. Since its establishment, it has erected 1,700 executive flats, bungalows and smaller units in the major estates of Bugolobi, Naalya, Luboowa, Bukoto, Buganda Road and others. It owns 50 percent of the Housing Finance Company of Uganda and also has shares in Shelter Afrique, a Pan African Development Bank in Kenya.
 
http://www.monitor.co.ug/bizfin/bf07121.php
 
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[Ugnet] "Be on the side of the Consitution." Yea right! As he denigrates it.

2005-06-30 Thread kistmo
In a story by Alfred Wasike (Museveni explains succession, New Vision 30 June 2005), the president is reported to have urged the Police to read the Constitution because it would help them in dealing with anarchists. "Discipline them. We can't have this indiscipline any more. Be on the side of the Constitution. We need order." 
 
 
How nice! And cheeky too! He is busy denigrating it and then urging others to be on its side? I hope the Uganda police hasn't forgotten how he used to deride them. What has changed? Wamala becoming the head of the police force?
 
I hope police pays heed to their president who knows very well that they have not been on the side of the constitution. What with denying others the right to express themselves non-violently. They sure would use a good read of all three constitution Uganda has had.
 
And while there are at it, they should not forget that the president is the master anarchist. In the case the dictionary is not handy:
 
Pronunciation: 'a-n&r-kist, -"när-Function: noun1 : one who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power;2 : one who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially : one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order.
 
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[Ugnet] Museveni explains succession: You have to kill me!

2005-06-30 Thread kistmo

 
 The president revelation amounts to this: He will not leave power until he dies. It is in the constitution, he said, ?Our Constitution says that if the President dies, the Vice-President takes over.? ?Our Constitution also says that if the President dies in the fifth year, the Vice-President serves until the year ends and elections are organized for a new President. So what is their problem?? Museveni asked.
 
What is their problem, indeed? :-) The guy is in his fifth year, don't you get it?"
 
Sitefano
 




Museveni explains succession








GET THE POINT: Museveni (right) chats with Buteera, Wamala and Kuteesa at Muyenga Hotel in Kampala yesterday
By Alfred Wasike PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni has rubbished claims by critics that he has intentionally not prepared a successor yet his two-term limit expires next May. ?Confused politicians are confusing people that I have not prepared a successor. Our constitution took care of that in 1995. They should not go around causing such alarm,? he said. Addressing senior Police and CID officers on crime management and surveillance in Kampala on Tuesday, Museveni said, ?Our Constitution says that if the President dies, the Vice-President takes over.? ?Our Constitution also says that if the President dies in the fifth year, the Vice-President serves until the year ends and elections are organised fo
 r a new President. So what is their problem?? Museveni asked. ?I advise everyone to read the Constitution carefully. Don?t make sweeping statements without reading properly. That book has the solution to Uganda?s constitutional problems. Let us guard it well,? Museveni said. ?You wonder why these confusing agents talk like that. They talk as is there is a problem. They are just greedy. The Constitution takes care of succession in Uganda,? he said. Museveni ordered the Police to arrest politicians and discipline anyone who threatens violence as Uganda changes its political system. He urged the UPDF, the Police and the Prisons to be neutral during the July 28 referendum but should be ?partisan against crime like violence and other anarchists bent on destroying our achievements.? The Director of Public Pr
 osecutions, Richard Buteera, Police chief Maj. Gen. Katumba Wamala and CID director Elizabeth Kuteesa attended. Museveni said Uganda?s politics was stable and there was no crisis. He said he championed individual merit for elective office so as to eliminate sectarianism. ?We later took the initiative to open up so that those who want can leave the NRM and find new political homes. Now we are going for the referendum to let our people decide.? Museveni urged the Police to read the Constitution because it would help them in dealing with anarchists. ?Discipline them. We can?t have this indiscipline any more. Be on the side of the Consti
 tution. We need order.? Ends
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[Ugnet] Ireland today is the richest country in the European Union after Luxembourg

2005-06-29 Thread kistmo

Op-Ed Columnist
The End of the Rainbow
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN 
Published: June 29, 2005

Dublin
Here's something you probably didn't know: Ireland today is the richest country in the European Union after Luxembourg.
Yes, the country that for hundreds of years was best known for emigration, tragic poets, famines, civil wars and leprechauns today has a per capita G.D.P. higher than that of Germany, France and Britain. How Ireland went from the sick man of Europe to the rich man in less than a generation is an amazing story. It tells you a lot about Europe today: all the innovation is happening on the periphery by those countries embracing globalization in their own ways - Ireland, Britain, Scandinavia and Eastern Europe - while those following the French-German social model are suffering high unemployment and low growth.

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Ireland's turnaround began in the late 1960's when the government made secondary education free, enabling a lot more working-class kids to get a high school or technical degree. As a result, when Ireland joined the E.U. in 1973, it was able to draw on a much more educated work force. 
By the mid-1980's, though, Ireland had reaped the initial benefits of E.U. membership - subsidies to build better infrastructure and a big market to sell into. But it still did not have enough competitive products to sell, because of years of protectionism and fiscal mismanagement. The country was going broke, and most college grads were emigrating. 
"We went on a borrowing, spending and taxing spree, and that nearly drove us under," said Deputy Prime Minister Mary Harney. "It was because we nearly went under that we got the courage to change."
And change Ireland did. In a quite unusual development, the government, the main trade unions, farmers and industrialists came together and agreed on a program of fiscal austerity, slashing corporate taxes to 12.5 percent, far below the rest of Europe, moderating wages and prices, and aggressively courting foreign investment. In 1996, Ireland made college education basically free, creating an even more educated work force.
The results have been phenomenal. Today, 9 out of 10 of the world's top pharmaceutical companies have operations here, as do 16 of the top 20 medical device companies and 7 out of the top 10 software designers. Last year, Ireland got more foreign direct investment from America than from China. And overall government tax receipts are way up.
"We set up in Ireland in 1990," Michael Dell, founder of Dell Computer, explained to me via e-mail. "What attracted us? [A] well-educated work force - and good universities close by. [Also,] Ireland has an industrial and tax policy which is consistently very supportive of businesses, independent of which political party is in power. I believe this is because there are enough people who remember the very bad times to de-politicize economic development. [Ireland also has] very good transportation and logistics and a good location - easy to move products to major markets in Europe quickly."
Finally, added Mr. Dell, "they're competitive, want to succeed, hungry and know how to win. ... Our factory is in Limerick, but we also have several thousand sales and technical people outside of Dublin. The talent in Ireland has proven to be a wonderful resource for us. ... Fun fact: We are Ireland's largest exporter."
Intel opened its first chip factory in Ireland in 1993. James Jarrett, an Intel vice president, said Intel was attracted by Ireland's large pool of young educated men and women, low corporate taxes and other incentives that saved Intel roughly a billion dollars over 10 years. National health care didn't hurt, either. "We have 4,700 employees there now in four factories, and we are even doing some high-end chip designing in Shannon with Irish engineers," he said.
In 1990, Ireland's total work force was 1.1 million. This year it will hit two million, with no unemployment and 200,000 foreign workers (including 50,000 Chinese). Others are taking notes. Prime Minister Bertie Ahern said: "I've met the premier of China five times in the last two years."
Ireland's advice is very simple: Make high school and college education free; make your corporate taxes low, simple and transparent; actively seek out global companies; open your economy to competition; speak English; keep your fiscal house in order; and build a consensus around the whole package with labor and management - then hang in there, because there will be bumps in the road - and you, too, can become one of the richest countries in Europe.
"It wasn't a miracle, we didn't find gold," said Mary Harney. "It was the right domestic policies and embracing globalization." 
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[Ugnet] [Museveni] said the donors should blame the government accounting officers at ministry and district level, but not the President.

2005-04-07 Thread kistmo





It wasn't me! I am a mere president! The buck does not stop here; it stops at ministries and districts! How sad!
 
 
Museveni tells off donors on corruption

By Grace Matsiko


MUNYONYO - President Yoweri Museveni yesterday used strong language to rebut accusations by the donors that his government was not doing much to combat high-level corruption.âSome people who spend a lot of their saliva about subjects which they donât study well think we are still in the book of Genesis,â the President said yesterday while launching the national strategy to fight corruption at Speke Resort Munyonyo.The Presidentâs remarks followed a speech by Mr Eric Hawthorn, the head of the British Development Fund for International Development (DFID), who represented the donor community, which criticised governmentâs reluctance to fight corruption.Hawthorn said, notwithstanding the launch of the 2004-2007 anticorruption strategy, there is still a widely held perception in Uganda that corruption is pervasive, institutionalised and on the increase.âInternational surveys have reached sim
 ilar conclusions. Uganda remains in the category of countries described as ârampantly corruptâ according to Transparency Internationalâs corruption perception index, despite her improvement in corruption ranking in recent years,â Hawthorn added.He said, Ms Faith Mwondha, the Inspector General of Government, told Parliament, the the proposals in the Constitution Amendment Bill will significantly weaken the ombudsmanâs powers and its ability to enforce the Leadership Code Act.âIf these proposals go through without amendment, it could be damaging to Ugandaâs international reputation and send the wrong message to the people of Uganda about the commitment to genuinely fight corruption,â Hawthorn said. He said lack of prosecution of corruption suspects named by various commissions of inquiry was âdisappointing.â âHowever, the strategy in itself will not have an impact without strong political will,â Hawthorn said. But Mus
 eveni said in his address, âsometimes I would not like to come to these meetings because there is lack of seriousness.âHe said before the Movement came to power, there was lawlessness orchestrated by the State, which has been stopped. Looking towards Hawthorn Museveni said, âyou (donors) talk of political will; you canât fight corruption when you have a permanent secretary who is a thief.âHe said the donors should blame the government accounting officers at ministry and district level, but not the President.
 Â 2005 The Monitor Publications Ltd. 7 April 2005
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[Ugnet] [M7] described multipartyists as non-performers and equated them to barren women

2005-02-27 Thread Kistmo





  
  

  Speaking of being abusive, does this manhave any idea 
  what barren women go through? I am bothered that Museveni says these these 
  disparaging things about groups of people and he gets away with it? It 
  should not matter that he has been credited with women emancipation or 
  affirmative action in elective  positions.
   
  He is brute, arrogant and insensitive.
   
  Sitefano
   
  ~~``
   
  Museveni slams Muntu
  

  


  

  
THANKS: Museveni reaches out for dry banana 
leaves (essanja) in Mbale on Thursday
  By Enock Kakande PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni has warned former 
  army commander Maj. Gen. Mugisha Muntu against abusive language. âHow 
  could he call me a deaf man? How could he insult me that I am deaf? If he 
  meant that I donât listen to advice, that is arrogance on his part because 
  he is a failure,â Museveni said. Museveni, while addressing a rally at 
  King George Memorial Stadium, Tororo Municipality on Friday, described 
  Muntu as a failure as the crowd cheered in the blazing afternoon sun. With 
  sweat running down their faces the people waved dry banana leaves 
  (essanja) jostled to get close to the President. âI am the one who 
  brought up the young man. I made him what he is. I made him army commander 
  but he is a failure, he failed his duties and I sacked him.â He added that 
  the former army commander dodged going for further training. Muntu, 
  the longest serving army commander, was sacked in 1998. Now the 
  coordinator for mobilisation for Forum for Democratic Change (FDC), he is 
  believed to be the likely presidential candidate for the new party if the 
  exiled Col. Kizza Besigye does not return to Uganda. Museveni said he 
  sacked most of the former Movement supporters now in FDC from his 
  government because they were inefficient. Besides Muntu, former ministers 
  Eriya Kategaya, Miria Matembe and former Director of the External Security 
  Organisation, David Pulkol are key members of FDC. âThese were 
  non-performers. That is why they are abusing and attacking the 
  government,â Museveni said. Museveni said that with the opening up of 
  the political space, people who want to leave the Movement are free to go. 
  The President, who is also of the Chairman of the National Resistance 
  Movement Organisation, said he was reorganising the Movement to get rid of 
  non-performers. He said he was recruiting people to lead the Movement. 
  Museveni said that some people are calling on him to leave (agende) 
  but he cannot leave the Movement in bad hands. The President also 
  warned FDC to stop intimidating the people. He said Uganda is at peace and 
  no one shall snatch away the rights of the people and stability brought in 
  by the NRM. He described multipartyists as non-performers and equated 
  them to barren women. Turning to area MP Geoffrey Ekanya the President 
  likened him to a bean weevil and urged the people not to make another 
  mistake of electing him unless he joined the Movement. Ekanya who was 
  present remained helplessly quiet. Ends
  Published on: Sunday, 27th February, 
2005
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[Ugnet] Selling and giving what doesn't belong to him: President âdonatesâ Dairy Corp

2005-01-30 Thread Kistmo



President âdonatesâ Dairy Corp to 
Thai By Andrew M. Mwenda 
Jan 30, 2005 

  
  

  KAMPALA â President Museveni has directed that the 
  Dairy Corporation Limited be given to a Thai businessman at a fee of only 
  one dollar. Highly placed sources at State House said that the 
  President's directive was issued on Thursday last week.
  Our 
  investigations show that the Privatisation Unit (PU), under the ministry 
  of Finance, Planning and Economic Development, scheduled the Dairy 
  Corporation for privatisation early last year.
  Sources said 
  the exercise had reached the state of pre-qualifying bidders through 
  competitive bidding.
  However, on 
  October 25, 2004, Vice President Gilbert Bukenya wrote the minister 
  responsible for privatisation, Prof. Peter Kasenene, saying: "His 
  Excellency the President has directed that Dairy Corporation should be 
  given to Malee Sampran Sampran Public Company Limited whose chairman is 
  Mr. Chatchai Boonyarat for a period of three years."
  The letter 
  further says, "This is therefore to direct you to initiate the process of 
  drawing up the terms of the lease so as to finalise the lease agreement in 
  order to enable the Malee Company to commence operation by January 
  2005."
  The PU 
  complied with the President's directive and drew up a draft agreement for 
  the lease to the Thai company. 
  However, 
  sources say, the PU drew up an agreement in which it required Malee to pay 
  a $1 million as lump some payment for the lease, then oblige the company 
  to pay a percentage of the profits from Dairy Corporation to the 
  government, and also to pay a yearly rental fee to the 
  government.
  A highly 
  placed source at State House said that when the President learnt of the 
  requirements under the draft lease agreement, State House issued yet 
  another directive to the PU to remove all the payment provisions of the 
  draft. 
  Instead, the 
  source said, State House directed that Malee should only pay $1 (one 
  dollar) - a nominal fee - for Dairy Corporation, virtually handing the 
  corporation to the Thai businessman on a silver platter.
  People 
  familiar with the transaction said that because of the State House 
  directive, Malee will take Dairy Corporation from the PU even without 
  presenting a business plan on what it intends to do with the corporation. 
  
  The only 
  promise the Malee chairman has made is that he will, within one year of 
  taking over the corporation, build a dairy plant in Mbarara from the 
  profits he makes.
  The Sunday 
  Monitor has learnt that Malee chairman Boonyarat is not going to invest 
  here as Malee but will float a company locally to take over Dairy 
  Corporation. 
  "Yes, there 
  was a government directive to offer Dairy Corporation to Malee and the 
  [privatisation] minister can answer all the other details," said PU 
  Executive Director Michael Opagi.
  Minister 
  Kasenene confirmed on Friday the details outlined here save for the 
  nominal fee. "We have not yet agreed on the figure, so the one dollar 
  price of Dairy Corporation is false. We shall negotiate with them on the 
  figure."
  However, 
  sources close to State House maintained that the President's directive was 
  clear: Malee should only be charged a nominal fee, which is usually one 
  dollar.
  Kasenene then 
  amended his statement and instead said the President directed that PU 
  "should not ask for a prohibitive figure that will frustrate the 
  investor". 
  However, when 
  asked why the President not only disregarded the competitive bidding 
  process but also issued a directive to PU that virtually arm-twists the 
  unit to offer a state owned enterprise to a private foreign investor at a 
  low price, Kasenene said: "That is his prerogative and I cannot comment on 
  it."
  The PU 
  recapitalised the Dairy Corporation at Shs2 billion toward the end of 2003 
  to improve its performance, but Kasenene said: "In spite of 
  recapitisation, the Dairy Corporation was still struggling and it needs 
  more capital injection because the machines are old. We did not want to 
  put more money into it, but instead sell it off. It is a strategic 
  enterprise which if it collapsed, the farmers would suffer."
  The Dairy 
  Corporation was established in 1967 as a parastatal in the ministry of 
  agriculture, animal industry and fisheries. In 1998, a new law was passed 
  separating the commercial from the regulatory and development functions of 
  the corporation.
  The number of 
  farmers selling milk to the corporation rose from 3,280 in 1988 to mor

Re: [Ugnet] Museveni's Precarious Political Background

2005-01-19 Thread Kistmo
In a message dated 1/19/2005 9:11:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, "gook makanga" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Therefore, as early as 1980, a year after M7's dramatic debut on the Ugandan 
>political scene at very high level, just a level below the Presidency, he 
>embarrassingly failed a basic test of Western democracy. The above mentioned 
>limitations in M7's political designs impacted an indelible toll to his 
>political career when M7 lost in a Parliamentary election which is likely to 
>be the only fair and free election the man shall ever participate in.

Actually he failed at least two basic tests. Remember when he unleashed 
soldiers with brutal force on peaceful and unarmed demonstrators who were 
chanting "Ffe twagala Lule, oba tuffa tuffe?"

Violence and his form "democracy" are like hand in glove.

Sifefano

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Re: [Ugnet] Free and fair elections not term limits

2004-12-23 Thread Kistmo
It's all bull! Museveni and his sycophants would like us to believe that he can 
let elections be free, let alone fair.

They are so drunk with power that they've ignored lessons from history.

Oh Uganda, I cry for thee!

Sitefano

In a message dated 12/18/2004 9:07:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:

>EU chief raps term limits
>
>POPULAR MANDATE: Michel (right) tours camps in Gulu
>
>By Cyprian Musoke
>
>
>
>IT does not matter how long a president stays in power as long as he still
>has the popular mandate, a European Union commissioner (EU) has said.
>
>
>
>The EU commissioner for development and humanitarian aid, Louis Michel, was
>addressing the press at Sheraton hotel Kampala on Thursday night.
>
>
>
>Michel, who had earlier met President Yoweri Museveni at State house
>Nakasero, said free and fair elections in a multi-party setting were more 
>important.
>
>
>
>He was responding to questions on whether Museveni had hinted on whether he
>would retire when his constitutional term expires.
>
>
>
>Michel said popularity of a person, nature of the electorate and the fairness
>of the elections mattered most.
>
>
>
>âI was elected for 30 years. I had seven or eight terms. Of course nobody
>doesnât find this abnormal. I am just a popular guy,â he said, in 
>reference to
>his former position as deputy Premier of Belgium.
>
>
>
>âYou need a loyal, free and fair election, but it ultimately depends on the
>people, the candidate, and fairness of the elections,â he said.
>
>
>
>He said they talked about the White paper, democracy, multi-partism and the
>Uganda-Rwanda relationship.
>
>
>
>Michel said he told Museveni that multipartyism was an active condition for
>democracy, âto which the President seemed to agreeâ.
>
>
>
>Michel, who had just concluded a visit to northern Uganda, wondered why the
>international community had ignored the situation there.
>
>
>
>He said Betty Bigombe, the chief mediator in the peace talks, assured him
>that there was an opportunity to end the war, and requested for more funds from
>the EU.
>
>
>
>Michel said the EU alone could not deliver all the assistance needed for the
>war. He asked others to join the struggle.
>
>
>
>He said the EU would finance road infrastructure to make sure that the people
>in the camps returned to their homes to till their land.
>
>Published on: Saturday, 18th December, 2004
>
>
>
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ugnet_: Okumu admits getting 731m/- (New Vision, 6 July 2004)

2004-07-06 Thread Kistmo
Like his mentor (ex-Pres A.M. Obote, who bought off DP MPs in the early 1980s with 
Peugeot 504s and 5 million Shillings for each MP), H.E. Y.K. Museveni doles out cash 
to our MPs. No wonder, the other day a minister Hope Mwesigye said that she's 
confident they have a two-thirds majority to lift term limits. What a shame!

Stephen


~~~
Okumu admits getting 731m/-

By Yunusu Abbey 

CONTROVERSY has cropped up over the Minister of State for Public Service, Patrick 
Okumu Ringaâs sh1.8b compensation claim for his defunct private company Afro Motors 
Ltd. 

In an April 16, 2004 letter to President Yoweri Museveni, Teddy Cheeye said the 
Government had paid Okumu sh731.8m for lost business opportunity in 1994. 
Cheeye, the economic affairs director in the Internal Security Organisation (ISO), 
said Okumu got payments in two installments on the Presidentâs directive. 

He said the first payment of sh300m was paid to Okumu in July 2000 and the second of 
sh431.8 on March 28, 2002, as the last settlement. 

âThis payment was largely because of President Museveniâs magnanimous heart, but 
the ungrateful minister is back in the corridors of the Ministry of Finance and the 
Attorney Generalâs seeking further payment of sh1.8b,â Cheeyeâs letter said. 

Yesterday, Okumu said, âThe sh731m he is talking about was money from the President 
when I pleaded to him about my firmâs delayed compensation. I still insist that I am 
owed sh1.8b, which was verified by various government officials. The sh1.8b is the 
principal amount I am demanding, the 22% interest has to be calculated from August 22, 
1994 to date.â 

Cheeye said when Okumu appealed to the President, âIt was also a time for appeasing 
different politicians from all corners of Uganda and Mr Okumu happened to be one of 
the bulls in the West Nile region.â 

Cheeyeâs letter said in August 1998, the then Attorney General, Bart Katureebe, 
examined Okumuâs case and decided sh431,893,260 was the sum government should pay 
Okumu for his lost business opportunity. 

âOn July 13, 2000, Dr Ruhakana Rugunda, then Minister for the Presidency, wrote to 
the Minister of Finance saying the President had pledged sh300m to bail Okumu out of 
his economic woes. 

âThe Ministry of Finance paid Okumu another sh300m. Okumu had got sh731.8m by 
February 2002. Having developed a taste for easy sweet compensation money, on October 
3, 2003, Okumu put in an inflated claim which he believed would be his real dinner. 

âHe, without shame, brought a letter to the President. This time, Okumu demanded for 
sh1,806,734,289 as compensation for lost business opportunity, but later State House 
asked the Prime Minister to investigate Okumuâs elastic claim,â Cheeye added. 

Cheeye said on December 16, 2003, Prime Minister Apolo Nsibambi wrote to Museveni 
saying the Minister of Finance and the Attorney General and Okumuâs lawyers had 
confirmed that on March 28, 2002, Okumu was paid the final sum of sh431,893,260.

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ugnet_: The woes of ‘kyeyo beaters’

2004-07-06 Thread Kistmo
The woes of âkyeyo beatersâ 
 
http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/217/370456
 

By Geoffrey Muhoozi 
in London 
Hardly does a week go by without Radio Katwe UK frequency broadcasting the names of 
Ugandans who have been deported during the week. And one always wonders why it is 
mostly Ugandans who are so often deported. Before I get an answer to why it is always 
so, I remember some bits of advice given to me on arrival to the UK. 
Just like people in England say that âall Nigerians are crooks, thieves and conmen 
and should never be trustedâ, âNEVER TRUST ANY UGANDANâ, was the warning sounded 
to me on my day of arrival and as a journalist, I vowed to find out why Ugandans can 
never be trusted. A few weeks later, before I even set out on my fact-finding mission, 
an Indian with whom I was working assures me how he can never trust any Ugandan and 
his reason for not trusting us is because of hypocrisy and betrayal. 
The findings about why Ugandans behave the way they do where shocking because of the 
trivial issues that let Ugandans betray each other and other nationalities loosing 
trust in them. 
The most common cause of mistrust and betrayal is men eloping with other menâs wives 
or girlfriends. One injects all his savings for several months into arranging travel 
for his wife to the UK and all he gets as a reward for getting the woman here is 
elopement with some illegal immigrant. 
The disappointed man will then do anything to see that one of them or even both of 
them are deported and so the cat and mouse game begins as the mistrust grows into 
betrayal. 
Recently, some illegal immigrant who had done all he could to bring his wife here 
together with the man who had stolen his wife were deported because this villain of a 
wife who had eloped with another man, got pregnant and had been dumped by the 
adulterous man she had eloped with, got fed up of seeing both men every other day 
because all the three worked in one place. 
Owing to the fact that she had lost out on both men, though the husband was willing to 
take her back, she decided to call David Blunketâs men (immigration officials and 
police) informing them of the fact that many illegal immigrants, most of them Ugandan 
were working at some cinema in West London. Since she had sought asylum and could not 
be deported, she also worked on that fateful morning to see to it that both men were 
arrested and bundled into the police van. What really hurt so many people is the fact 
that about fifteen innocent illegal immigrants who had not been involved in the 
betrayal of one married man were also bundled and deported. 
The other reason why many Ugandans are deported stems from some Ugandans fleecing 
people, who work using thier identities, of thier hard earned cash and then reporting 
that they are illegal immigrants. This usually happens in such a way that these 
mischievous Ugandans purport to be good-hearted and nationalists in all they do, to 
the extent of getting the illegal immigrant a job, although the wages are paid into 
the name ownerâs account who later uses all the money and the illegal immigrant who 
has been working about 12 hours a day ends up not getting a penny for his hard work. 
What happens is that this illegal immigrant realises that he has been fleeced and 
starts demanding for his wages from, not his employer but the real name owner. This 
African gets fed up with the constant bugging by the immigrant and ends up tipping 
immigration officials about where the immigrant lives and works thus his work place or 
residence being stormed. Surviving these guys is really hard because now that they 
have both your home and work address they will just lay an ambush and get you unless 
someone tips you off and you find another home, place of work and definitely a new 
identity. 
Then there is conflict with a shift supervisor springing from struggle for power yet 
the supervisor is an illegal immigrant. The traiter wants the job too and yet the 
illegal immigrant supervisor also feels threatened and has to act so swiftly. In turn 
he has his opponent sacked and what the opponent decides to do well knowing that this 
Ugandan supervisor is an illegal immigrant is to tip the immigration officials who end 
up raiding the premises searching everyone's details and bundling all illegal 
immigrants into waiting vans to the airport to catch the next flight back to their 
home countries. 
Much as all this is done in the name of hypocrisy and villainy, what really hurts is 
the way these illegal immigrants are treated by immigration officials. It is really 
humiliating because the way you are dressed is how you go, and if lucky you may make 
one last phone call to a relative or friend though at times it does not happen. 
Actually if the deported person has not been so keen on sending his savings back home 
to have some project started by a close relative, he or she may never get back onto 
his/her feet and may have to rent a muzigo and beg for hand

ugnet_: Okumu admits getting 731m/- (New Vision, 6 July 2004)

2004-07-06 Thread Kistmo
Like his mentor (ex-Pres A.M. Obote, who bought off DP MPs in the early 1980s with 
Peugeot 504s and 5 million Shillings for each MP), H.E. Y.K. Museveni doles out cash 
to our MPs. No wonder, the other day a minister Hope Mwesigye said that she's 
confident they have a two-thirds majority to lift term limits. What a shame!

Stephen


~~~
Okumu admits getting 731m/-

By Yunusu Abbey 

CONTROVERSY has cropped up over the Minister of State for Public Service, Patrick 
Okumu Ringaâs sh1.8b compensation claim for his defunct private company Afro Motors 
Ltd. 

In an April 16, 2004 letter to President Yoweri Museveni, Teddy Cheeye said the 
Government had paid Okumu sh731.8m for lost business opportunity in 1994. 
Cheeye, the economic affairs director in the Internal Security Organisation (ISO), 
said Okumu got payments in two installments on the Presidentâs directive. 

He said the first payment of sh300m was paid to Okumu in July 2000 and the second of 
sh431.8 on March 28, 2002, as the last settlement. 

âThis payment was largely because of President Museveniâs magnanimous heart, but 
the ungrateful minister is back in the corridors of the Ministry of Finance and the 
Attorney Generalâs seeking further payment of sh1.8b,â Cheeyeâs letter said. 

Yesterday, Okumu said, âThe sh731m he is talking about was money from the President 
when I pleaded to him about my firmâs delayed compensation. I still insist that I am 
owed sh1.8b, which was verified by various government officials. The sh1.8b is the 
principal amount I am demanding, the 22% interest has to be calculated from August 22, 
1994 to date.â 

Cheeye said when Okumu appealed to the President, âIt was also a time for appeasing 
different politicians from all corners of Uganda and Mr Okumu happened to be one of 
the bulls in the West Nile region.â 

Cheeyeâs letter said in August 1998, the then Attorney General, Bart Katureebe, 
examined Okumuâs case and decided sh431,893,260 was the sum government should pay 
Okumu for his lost business opportunity. 

âOn July 13, 2000, Dr Ruhakana Rugunda, then Minister for the Presidency, wrote to 
the Minister of Finance saying the President had pledged sh300m to bail Okumu out of 
his economic woes. 

âThe Ministry of Finance paid Okumu another sh300m. Okumu had got sh731.8m by 
February 2002. Having developed a taste for easy sweet compensation money, on October 
3, 2003, Okumu put in an inflated claim which he believed would be his real dinner. 

âHe, without shame, brought a letter to the President. This time, Okumu demanded for 
sh1,806,734,289 as compensation for lost business opportunity, but later State House 
asked the Prime Minister to investigate Okumuâs elastic claim,â Cheeye added. 

Cheeye said on December 16, 2003, Prime Minister Apolo Nsibambi wrote to Museveni 
saying the Minister of Finance and the Attorney General and Okumuâs lawyers had 
confirmed that on March 28, 2002, Okumu was paid the final sum of sh431,893,260.

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ugnet_: 16,000 to miss Makerere!

2004-05-04 Thread Kistmo
I read with consternation that Makerere University is not taking in 16,000 qualified 
students due to lack of capacity (â16,000 to miss Makerere,â The New Vision, front 
page, April 29). How sad! This illustrates how far away we are from having integrated 
planning programmes for our country. It is an indictment of government, the 
legislature and institutions such as Makerere University, which boasts of a planning 
department.  After all those students did not materialize out of the blue. The 
majority of them were born 18 years ago, just about the time that the NRM took the 
helm of government. Slowly but surely, they went through the pains of survival to 
their fifth birthday. [About 180 per 1000 of those had died by their fifth birthday.] 
They entered primary schools and in 1997, 211,749 of them sat for their Primary 
Leaving Examinations (PLE). Seventy per cent of them passed. However, only 42 per cent 
or 87,231 went on to a secondary school the following year.

Surely, during those 18 years when they were growing up and advancing through the 
education system, someone must have been aware of the thin air at the top of the 
system. We chose to focus on the lower echelons of our education system, that is, 
primary and secondary education, most of which do not offer vocational training at all.

To its credit, the Ministry of Education devised a strategic plan for secondary 
education, which would increase enrolment in the first four years of secondary school 
from 149,840 in 1999 to 262,000 students by 2003. More secondary schools were built, 
most of which were private but licensed by the Ministry of Education. By some 
estimates, there are at least 1200 secondary schools, half of which are 
government-aided.

While secondary school enrolment surged, there were no similar plans for tertiary 
education. There were no plans for expanding both public and private tertiary 
institutions to absorb the surging number of students from secondary schools.  The 
Universities and Other Tertiary Institutions Act 2001 did little more than provide for 
streamlining the establishment, administration and standardisation of universities and 
other tertiary institutions. There was no master plan for building new tertiary 
institutions and rehabilitating old ones, especially technical institutes, except for 
the construction of Mbarara University of Science and Technology. The only expansion 
that took place, albeit by the ingenuity and, one might argue, serendipity of one 
faculty head, was the enrolment of private students at Makerere University.  Moreover, 
the majority of private students were enrolled in courses that are not fundamental to 
national development. By 1997, for example, only 15 per cent of all students in 
tertiary institutions were enrolled in science, math and engineering.

Priority was given to academic education. Technical institutes were marginalized and 
most of them are now decrepit. Technical education became highly underrated in favour 
of academic education. Yet, every nation needs good technical education to enhance 
economic development. We now not only have a situation where most college graduates 
end up unemployed or in jobs for which they are overqualified, but we have thousands 
who are qualified to enrol in public universities but they cannot.

The immediate challenge is to channel those students who just missed out on joining 
public universities into meaningful pursuits that are relevant to our national goals. 
The importance of having them join technical institutes cannot be overemphasized in an 
era of globalisation, which require high technical skills. For the long haul, we need 
to prepare for the more than 460,000 students who will seek admission in tertiary 
institutions in the year 2015. We must set up more polytechnic institutes and colleges 
to prepare our citizens to have a niche in the global economy. Our national strategy 
should include the provision of at least one quality polytechnic institute in every 
district in the country. In addition, all existing schools in the country should begin 
to provide vocational training to the students.

We must define a national policy on career and technical education and its purpose. 
The National Council for Higher Education should be asked to assume the responsibility 
for developing a national policy on career and technical education, overseen by, on in 
collaboration with, appropriate parliamentary committees.  The National Council for 
Higher Education should be composed of principals from the relevant ministries, 
preferably all the ministries.
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Re: ugnet_: Yowere Tibuhaburwa(?) M7?

2004-04-06 Thread Kistmo
Folks,
Mulindwa's venom became so unreasonable that I synchronized my DELETE key with his 
e-mail address in my "new messages" window. You might consider doing just that.

Sitefano


In a message dated 4/6/2004 12:03:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

> 
> ...you, Mulindwa want people to accept you as a Muganda (which you are not), 
> yet you have issues with the President's origins, may i remind everyone on 
> this forum that Rwandese (or Banyarwanda) is a bonafide ethnic group in 
> Uganda, which makes up 7% of the population of Uganda...in other words you 
> have Rwandese of Rwanda and you also have Rwandese of Uganda, Congo, Kenya, 
> Burundi and Tanzania...just as you have Acholi and Langi of Sudan and Acholi 
> and Langi of Uganda...so please stop the foolishness and this anti-Rwandese 
> rhetoric. Some of you on this forum are citizens of different countries and 
> your children qualify to hold any electable office of your adopted countries 
> and you don't see anything wrong in that. President Museveni is a Ugandan by 
> whatever way you look at it and there is no law in the constitution of 
> Uganda that says only Acholis, or Langis should be President of Uganda and 
> Ugandan Rwandese, Baganda, Bakiga, Banyankole, Batesos etc are forbidden. 
> This discussion is therefore pointless and a waste of time.
> 
> 
> >From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Yowere Tibuhaburwa(?) M7?
> >Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:04:56 -0500
> >
> >Mulindwa that statement is way below the belt...it is uncalled for. As much 
> >as we understand that there is no love lost between you and the President 
> >of Uganda, insulting his mother is completely uncalled for and falls below 
> >the rudiments of civil opposition. It is even worse if you don't have 
> >factual evidence to back it up..libelious statments such as yours should be 
> >discouraged because they may degenerate this medium into a cheap gossip 
> >houseyou need to take back that statement if you don't have evidence to 
> >back it up.
> >
> >
> >>From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Yowere Tibuhaburwa(?) M7?
> >>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 06:01:33 -0400
> >>
> >>GR
> >>
> >>Kaguta is not Museveni's father, Kaguta was a fling of Museveni's mother.
> >>
> >>Em
> >>
> >>
> >>  The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >>"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> >> Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >>"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >>
> >>   - Original Message -
> >>   From: gook makanga
> >>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>   Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:59 AM
> >>   Subject: RE: ugnet_: Yowere Tibuhaburwa(?) M7?
> >>
> >>
> >>   Ssenya,
> >>
> >>   I asked a good friend of mine from Rwanda and he tells me that 
> >>Tibuhaburwa means "he who knows not his father" or "he who is without a 
> >>father"! Strange indeed!
> >>
> >>   I thought M7'S FATHER WAS  KAGUTA? Now am told he doesnt actually know 
> >>his father!
> >>
> >>   Have we been taken for a ride all along? Thanks Gureme..now we know.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   Gook
> >>
> >>   "Rang guthe agithi marapu!" A karamonjong word of wisdom
> >>
> >>
> >>   Original Message Follows
> >>   From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>   Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>   Subject: RE: ugnet_: Yowere Tibuhaburwa(?) M7?
> >>   Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:02:25 -0400
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   Akanga,
> >>
> >>   Salim Saleh's real name is Akandanwaho. It means "my first son" mbu. 
> >>Mu7 is elder brother to Akandanwaho. 1+2=3. Mu7 is elder brother in the 
> >>maternal lineage. Ask the meaning of "tibuhaburwa". May be you will get 
> >>more proof.
> >>
> >>   Ssenya
> >>   ---
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   >From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>   >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>   >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>   >Subject: ugnet_: Yowere Tibuhaburwa(?) M7?
> >>   >Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:14:54 +
> >>   >
> >>
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Re: ugnet_: REQUEST FOR BUSINESS CONSIDERATION

2004-01-15 Thread Kistmo
Please keep this scams to yourself.

Thanks.

Sitefano


In a message dated 1/14/2004 8:43:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

> From: james tama 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:43 PM
> Subject: REQUEST FOR BUSINESS CONSIDERATION
> 
> 
> From Mr. James Tama.
> 
> 
> Attention:
> 
> I manage to get your contact from the internet myself.
> 
> I am Mr. James Tama and my sister is Miss Rose Tama, we are the children of Late 
> Chief Paul Tama from
> Sierra Leone. 
> 
> I am writing you in absolute confidence primarily to seek 
> your assistance to transfer our cash... 



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ugnet_: Term limits are not democratic, by Prof. Ssemakula Kiwanuka

2003-11-10 Thread Kistmo
In a recent article (reproduced below) attributed to Professor Ssemakula Kiwanuka 
entilted "Term limits are undemocratic," the professor espouses lofty arguments 
regarding the demerits of term limits. He argues that there cannot be a danger to 
democracy so long as the people themselves exercise the franchise. He argues further 
that free and regular elections do have an inbuilt mechanism to reject tyrannical 
leaders at the ballot box.

But those arguments presuppose an informed electorate and respect for fundamental 
human rights, among other factors.

In the so-called "mature" democracies of Western Europe that he uses to illustrate or 
support his arguments, such stuff as stuffed ballot boxes are unheard of, neither is 
the intimidation of voters using armed personnel and other gimmicks. When was the last 
time we heard a death related to elections in the so-called "mature" democracies? I do 
not recall. And when in Uganda?

"Smart" tyrannical leaders have become sophisticated at how they manoeuvre to hold 
onto power. Let the professor look in the mirror. The people rejected him in a recent 
election exercise. Yet he wields power and a big loud megaphone he is now using to 
hold onto power. What a charade!

~~
Term limits are not democratic 

YOUR PLATFORM: 
By Prof. Ssemakula Kiwanuka 

Since Cabinet presented amendments to the Constitution Review Commission last 
September, there is an avalanche of doom saying that a catastrophe is going to happen 
to Uganda if article 105/2 on term limits is amended to provide indefinite eligibility 
for the elections of Presidents. 

Some of these controversial proposals were not authored by the Cabinet. Cabinet was a 
conveyor belt of the recommendations of the National Executive committee (NEC) and the 
National Conference which met early in the year. 

When the NEC recommendations were presented to the National Conference comprising more 
than 3000 delegates from every corner of Uganda, the recommendations were unanimously 
adopted. 

We can therefore say that was the voice of the people as expressed in Article 1 of the 
Constitution. âAll power belongs to the people...â the essence of that article is 
that the people of Uganda are sovereign and should therefore be arbiters on issues of 
national importance such as deciding who should be their president. 

Nevertheless there is an outcry from the opposition. Weak oppositions which do not see 
themselves as a viable alternative governments of tomorrow, usually lack a sense of 
responsibility and do not criticise constructively. Otherwise they would see that the 
sovereignty of the people of Uganda is the bedrock of our democracy. 

Because the outcry is orchestrated they do not see that the amendment of Article 105/2 
is a win win for all. Mohamad Mayanja, (JEMA) as well as UPC and DP leaders can be 
presidents as long as Ugandans want them. 

There is also fright and desperation. The opposition fears President Museveniâs 
popularity with the masses. Thirdly, because they lack a credible candidate to 
successfully challenge Museveni, their strategy is to keep Museveni out of the 
contest. Yet President Museveni himself has not asked for another term. That decision 
will be, and should be left to the people of Uganda. 

Fourthly, and unlike Museveni, the opposition believes that politics is nothing more 
than the spoils of office. 

One searches but in vain for their programmes on poverty, industrialisation, 
entrepreneurship, job creation and employment, among others. 

In discussing the question of term limits, I shall preface my arguments with an 
obvious statement, namely that democracies are built and founded on two principles: 
choice and open competition. We emphasise choice because the people who are sovereign 
on all major political issues and decisions should not be denied a choice of who 
should lead them. 

The whole of Western Europe whose democracies are described as âmatureâ believe 
that the people are sovereign and they exercise that sovereignty through regular and 
fair elections of their leaders. Prime Minister Tony Blair (U.K) for example will be 
seeking a third term, should his party continue to adopt him as Labour candidate. 

Life presidency: Masters of distortion, the pro-term limit proponents have cunningly 
and falsely turned the argument and interpreted indefinite eligibility as a sanction 
to a life presidency. Hence pressure groups have been formed and are distributing 
leaflets in Churches, hospitals, etc. 

While I do not support term limits on principle and I opposed them at the time when 
the current Constitution was being debated (1995), it is important to understand the 
background to some of their arguments. There are two explanations. 

The framers of the 1995 Constitution did so with a background of the dictatorial and 
tyrannical rule of Obote and Amin. Like many people in todayâs so called new and 
emerging demo

ugnet_: Re: Press Secretary Ms Mary Karooro Okurut

2003-09-30 Thread Kistmo
Quiz: 
1. What do converts such as Mary Karooro Okurut have in common?
2. What do spinners such as former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf 
and Mary Karooro Okurut have in common?

Clues: 
1. "There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!" 
2. On the road outside Damascus.

S


In a message dated 9/29/2003 10:35:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

> Netters,
>  
> Thsi is a classic case of how the dictator lies. We are fed up with this kind of 
> lies. We have never had a government which lies like this one. It even embarases one 
> to see a head of state lying like crazy. The Rwandese government told us the truth 
> and said that it was only Uganda who left before lunch. How can Okurut say that even 
> Nigeria left as if trying to justify themselves. 
> After Mexico, we seem not to have got it right yet. It has given the outside world 
> the truth about Uganda government and how it functions. Lying everyday to the world 
> from Luwero to Rwanda to Congo to Mexico to the present.
>  
> God Help Uganda,
> FOR GOD AND MY COUNTRY.
>  
> J. Nansikombi
> --
>  
> Museveni cut Kagame lunch, Rwanda insists
> By David Kibirige
> September 30, 2003
> 
> 
> 
> RWANDA—Only President Museveni skipped lunch in Kigali after the inauguration of 
> President Paul Kagame, Rwandan officials have said.
> Museveni left shortly after Mr Kagame was sworn in for a seven-year term at Amahoro 
> Stadium. Rwandan Prime Minister Bernard Mukuza saw him off at the airport.
> Kagame was sworn in September 12 at a ceremony attended by nine regional leaders.
> Rwanda’s Chief of Protocol, M. Zepher Mutanguha, yesterday refuted Kampala’s claims 
> that even the Nigerian leader Olusegun Obasanjo did not attend the luncheon.
> “It was only President Museveni among the heads of state who did not wait for lunch. 
> President Obasanjo waited and was served,” Mutanguha said.
> Kagame won the August election with 95.05 percent of the vote. Museveni was given a 
> standing ovation at the inauguration.
> Kagame—who came to a refugee camp in Uganda aged four—thanked African countries that 
> helped Rwandan refugees in their hour of need.
> The Rwanda Patriotic Army (RPA), headed by the late Maj. Gen. Fred Rwigyema, invaded 
> Rwanda on October 1 1990 and later toppled the government of Juvenile Habyarimana. 
> After the inauguration ceremony, Kagame hosted his guests at his office in uptown 
> Kigali.
> Museveni skipped the luncheon. He also didn’t have any formal talks with Kagame, to 
> the chagrin of Rwanda government officials who thought the two leaders would use the 
> opportunity to make up.
> At the weekend, Museveni’s Press Secretary Ms Mary Karooro Okurut tried to play down 
> the incident. She said even the Nigerian leader Olusegun Obasanjo left before lunch.
> A senior official on the inauguration committee in Kigali also dismissed Karooro’s 
> claims as total lies. 
> “I am surprised that people in Kampala are trying to confuse the world. President 
> Obasanjo was the last to leave¼ In fact, although he was supposed to go to Sierra 
> Leone, he said it was not proper in the African culture to refuse to have lunch in 
> one’s home. He stayed and had lunch with all other heads of state,” the official 
> said.
> “For reasons best known by our neighbour, brother and others, he [Museveni] did not 
> have lunch in Kigali. That is to put the record straight,” he said. 
> Museveni allegedly was not amused by the presence in Kigali of former first deputy 
> Prime Minister, Eriya Kategaya, East African Assembly Secretary General, Amanya 
> Mushega, and former Army Commander, Maj. Gen. Gregory Mugisha Muntu.
> The trio is opposed to the amendment of the Constitution to allow Museveni run for a 
> third term.
> Other leaders in Kigali were: Thabo Mbeki (South Africa), Bakili Muluzi (Malawi), 
> Domitien Ndayizeyi (Burundi), and Blaise Campaore (Burkina Faso).
> Countries that were represented include: Tanzania, Zambia, Ethiopia and DR Congo.
> The Kigali debacle is a dent to efforts by the two countries to mend the strained 
> relations.
> The onetime allies turned foes after the two countries’ armies fought endless 
> battles in the DR Congo between 1998 and 2001.
> In February 2001, Uganda declared Rwanda a hostile nation.
> The two countries almost went to war, but the then British Secretary for Overseas 
> Development, Clare Short intervened in 
> time.



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Re: ugnet_: Re: [Kistmo] How M7's letter torpedoed Cancun talks

2003-09-30 Thread Kistmo
I did not hide. I have been here reading everyone's views and reactions to what our 
current leaders are doing. I am bemused too, by the ludicrous things that our new 
breed of enlightened leaders do, moreover not only without "fear or shame" but also 
with favour.

A leader's view is as good as his/her grasp of history. I recall M7's honeymoon 
utterances and actions after he captured power. He excoriated some African leaders for 
jetting off to Western capitals and leading a life that was far removed from their 
people, the majority of whom did not have even shoes. According to press reports at 
the time, he bought a wooden bed made locally at Kawempe and took it home for his use. 
He touted his “ten-point programme” with such fervour that it would make some 
listeners dizzy, with concepts such as "sectarianism."

I bet he does not recall those 10 points as well as he did then. If he does, I don't 
think he remembers their sequence. All that is history that is conveniently forgotten 
by M7 and his cronies.

Now we read press reports that M7's children drive luxurious cars courtesy of Uganda 
Parliament, "Cabinet", Uganda Revenue Authority, taxpayers, loans, etc. Uganda’s 
debt and how fast it has risen since 1986 is hardly on the majority’s radar.  They 
know more about “big brother” and Gaetano’s escapades than that their country is 
being mortgaged. 

Arrogance has displaced shame to the extent that M7's daughter was flown to Europe to 
give birth to his grandchild.  He ordered his military chopper to fly Gaetano (who has 
become as popular as M7 once was—a sad commentary on the state of our country, but 
that is another story) and his entourage to Kampala from Northern Uganda.  Everything 
is done at the whim of one man, who is zealously seeking to consolidate power in his 
presidency using sham review commissions, referenda and a moribund parliament.

M7 exults in the ignorance of the majority of Ugandans, mostly rural “peasants,” 
to use the term he used incessantly in the 1980s.  Whereas the more and better 
oratorical Obote used to say that the trio combination of poverty, ignorance and 
disease where the most inimical to Ugandans, we now have an enlightened president who 
ignores poverty and disease. He is not shy or ashamed to align himself with entities 
and corporations that do not want exceptions to be made with regard to the manufacture 
of cheap patented drugs that could alleviate pandemics such as HIV/AIDS.

He has probably learnt too much for our own good from his kraal. He is the bullish 
bull!

S




In a message dated 9/30/2003 2:36:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

> Where have you been hiding all this time?
> So we finally managed to re-discover YOU?
> Oh yes! those two share plenty and I keep telling
> people they are lying in the same bed. Every time they
> wake up to act, Planet Earth loses plenty in terms of
> life, freedom, resources which they confine only to
> themselves. By the time they are done Planet Earth
> will be non-existance but they would have bought land
> on the moon and flawn there at our expense.
> Welcome back and don't disappear again and deprive us
> of your talents on the net.
> amk
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > M7 is erratic in thought and an intellectual
> > pretender. Incidentally, he shares many traits with
> > the current US president.
> > 
> > Batera emundu, batunga obusingye!
> > 
> > Stephen
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated 9/29/2003 11:56:39 AM Eastern
> > Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > 
> > > Mw. Semakula,
> > > This is from Daily Nation.
> > > 
> > > How M7's letter torpedoed Cancun talks
> > > By SUNDAY G. KISANGARA
> > > Reports that President Yoweri Museveni has
> > confirmed sending a letter to the
> > > head of Uganda's delegation at the WTO conference
> > at Cancun, urging them to
> > > support the European and US position rather than
> > that of the developing
> > > countries displays a failure to understand the
> > factors that affect poor
> > > economies in globalisation.
> > > 
> > > We know that Museveni wholeheartedly embraced the
> > Agoa Bill



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Re: ugnet_: How M7's letter torpedoed Cancun talks

2003-09-29 Thread Kistmo
M7 is erratic in thought and an intellectual pretender. Incidentally, he shares many 
traits with the current US president.

Batera emundu, batunga obusingye!

Stephen


In a message dated 9/29/2003 11:56:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

> Mw. Semakula,
> This is from Daily Nation.
> 
> How M7's letter torpedoed Cancun talks
> By SUNDAY G. KISANGARA
> Reports that President Yoweri Museveni has confirmed sending a letter to the
> head of Uganda's delegation at the WTO conference at Cancun, urging them to
> support the European and US position rather than that of the developing
> countries displays a failure to understand the factors that affect poor
> economies in globalisation.
> 
> We know that Museveni wholeheartedly embraced the Agoa Bill when it was being
> debated in the US and offered little or no support to the HOPE of Africa Bill
> that was floated as an alternative to Agoa.
> 
> I really wonder whether he understood Agoa and its implications and whether he
> ever tried to examine the rationale of HOPE.
> 
> Museveni’s arguments against dumping in the African context are rather shallow.
> African countries produce primarily agricultural products. They have not dumped
> these goods on the US market. On the contrary, the US has dumped agricultural
> products ranging from maize to soya, in Africa directly, or indirectly in the
> form of aid.
> 
> On the other hand, Asian countries have dumped electronic goods on the African
> market, undercutting the expensive Western electronic goods. This Asian dumping
> is in Africa's interests, given that we don’t manufacture any electronic goods.
> 
> What African governments should do in the short term is to welcome the cheap
> manufactured goods from Asia and draw up a strategy on how to reverse this in
> the long term.
> 
> For 18 years, Museveni has not put a long-term strategy in place for the local
> manufacturing sector. He is therefore responsible for the Asian dumping of
> their manufactures on our market.
> 
> Museveni also fails to understand that the main reasons why African governments
> can’t sell their agricultural products in Western markets is because of
> artificial restrictions caused by Europeans and US government subsidies that
> distort the market, tilting the balance in favour of Western farmers.
> 
> The US legislature passed a Bill authorising massive subsidies to US farmers
> just weeks after passing the Agoa Bill. Does Mr Museveni really think this was
> intended to promote Agoa? Does he think Africans can ever trade freely and
> fairly in an open market without proper reforms? We all know that Museveni is a
> strong advocate of Uganda’s reflexive solidarity with the US and EC, something
> that is not out of love for his country, but rather, the need to entrench
> himself in Uganda's politics.
> 
> These imperialists, out of their national economic interests, have bank-rolled
> his regime; turned a blind eye to the chaos in our country; paid no attention
> to Museveni's activities in Rwanda; overlooked Uganda’s activities in the DRC,
> and remained silent on rampant corruption in the country.
> 
> As a result, he torpedoed the WTO conference in Cancun through his letter, and
> the end loser in this game was the poor Ugandan farmer.
> 
> In his letter, Museveni showed a degree of envy for emerging economies like
> India and Brazil. The performance of the Indian economy, for example, today
> threatens jobs in the developed world, be it in the IT sector where Western
> companies have out-sourced their cheap services; in pharmaceutical industries,
> and in manufacturing. Now, companies like Rover are engaged in delicate
> negotiations with TATA of India.
> 
> We should learn from them and not look at them as threats in international
> negotiations that affect the livelihood of 90 per cent of our people.
> 
> We could easily acquire technology from countries like India, Malaysia, Taiwan,
> China, Japan, South Korea and Singapore, that is commensurate with our economic
> circumstances instead of looking to the Western world.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mr Kisangara is a Ugandan journalist resident in the United Kingdom
> 
> \\\"Always be a first rate version of yourself instead 
> of a second rate
> version of someone else.\"
> 
> Njoki Paul
> University of Pretoria



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Re: ugnet_: test

2003-04-01 Thread Kistmo
I'm on. I've been wondering wht happened.

Stephen