[UC] Tony, Purple, & Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors

2007-09-11 Thread Craigsolve 
In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:46:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Furthermore, it is  not really true that "this is not a private business." 
Villanova  University, which hosts this list, is a private  entity.
Tony: 
 
Would you please define what you mean by "hosts this list".
 
In one manner or another in your past posts, you state Villanova  University 
hosts "this list". Are you suggesting VU is in anyway  responsible for the 
content of purple.com or has any knowledge as to the  content or character of 
purple.com posts?
 
Please keep in mind during the early days of the Internet private  
individuals who set up a web site had to search out a data center to host  
their site. 
Hosting services such as GoDaddy and 1&1 were yet to be  established.  At that 
time the requirements of data centers (see 
_http://order.1and1.com/oneandone_us/img/swf/datacenter/index.html_ 
(http://order.1and1.com/oneandone_us/img/swf/datacenter/index.html) )  meant 
they were usually affiliated with government, 
universities, and  Fortune 500 corps. Guess with which one of these three 
groups, a  fledgling purple.com had a slim chance of finding hosting services?
 
Villanova hosted a diverse group of users in the 1990's, such as the Health  
Sciences Library Consortium (HSLC) of which I was a user. I can assure you the 
 teachings of the Roman Catholic Church in no way influenced the information 
and  research that was disseminated through HSLC.
 
If you really want to dig deep to find a relationship with purple.com and  
VU, it is a lot more likely the relationship is between Jeff and Dr Rick Perry, 
 
who was the Unix system administrator for the Villanova University ECE  
Department from about 1985 until May 2002.
 
It remains unclear to me the purpose of your suggested linkage between  
purple's tone and content and VU's hosting practices. Or, you might want to 
look  
at it in a more practical light; if you annoy me and I run you over with a Ford 
 Motor vehicle assembled in the City of Detroit, it in no way reflects 
adversely  upon the government of the City of Detroit. I do publicly declare I 
love  
Fords, too much, to wantonly destroy them.
 
Ciao,
 
Craig



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Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, & Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors

2007-09-11 Thread Anthony West 
I don't know what I mean, Craig. That seemed to be the gist of what 
UC-list "was", on some level, when I first raised the question a month 
or so ago. Your added details are informative and appreciated.


My main purpose in bringing this up is to dig into the true meaning of 
the word "public". It is a word that is frequently used on UC-list, and 
usually with a political loading; the user of the word "public" is 
trying to sneak in some conclusion that is not actually supported by the 
facts.


Like most important words, "public" has a wide variety of usages and senses.

In no sense is UC-list "public" in that everybody in society "owns" it 
or "has a right to" it, or any of the goods and services it is composed 
of, without which it would cease to exist.


It is "public" in that all sorts of people can enter it and interact in 
front of other people, over whom they have no direct control. The same 
is true of Locust Walk or Dahlak or St. Francis de Sales Churches: all 
are public spaces.


UC-list is not more "public" than UCNeighbors; it is merely less moderated.

-- Tony West


In a message dated 9/11/2007 4:46:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Furthermore, it is not really true that "this is not a private
business." *Villanova University, which hosts this list*, is a
private entity.

Tony:
 
Would you please define what you mean by "hosts this list".
 
In one manner or another in your past posts, you state Villanova 
University hosts "this list". Are you suggesting VU is in anyway 
responsible for the content of purple.com or has any knowledge as to 
the content or character of purple.com posts?
 
Please keep in mind during the early days of the Internet private 
individuals who set up a web site had to search out a data center to 
host their site. Hosting services such as GoDaddy and 1&1 were yet to 
be established.  At that time the requirements of data centers (see 
http://order.1and1.com/oneandone_us/img/swf/datacenter/index.html) 
meant they were usually affiliated with government, universities, and 
Fortune 500 corps. Guess with which one of these three groups, a 
fledgling purple.com had a slim chance of finding hosting services?
 
Villanova hosted a diverse group of users in the 1990's, such as the 
Health Sciences Library Consortium (HSLC) of which I was a user. I can 
assure you the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church in no way 
influenced the information and research that was disseminated through 
HSLC.
 
If you really want to dig deep to find a relationship with purple.com 
and VU, it is a lot more likely the relationship is between Jeff and 
Dr Rick Perry, who was the Unix system administrator for the Villanova 
University ECE Department from about 1985 until May 2002.
 
It remains unclear to me the purpose of your suggested linkage between 
purple's tone and content and VU's hosting practices. Or, you might 
want to look at it in a more practical light; if you annoy me and I 
run you over with a Ford Motor vehicle assembled in the City of 
Detroit, it in no way reflects adversely upon the government of the 
City of Detroit. I do publicly declare I love Fords, too much, to 
wantonly destroy them.
 
Ciao,
 
Craig





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Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, & Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors

2007-09-11 Thread Frank 
DeSales and Dahlak are public spaces?? The owners of Dahlak can  
refuse admission to practically anyone, I think, as long as they are  
not "discriminating." DeSales is probably given even more leeway. I'm  
not sure about Locust Walk. Is it a city street or is it privately- 
owned?


I've posted before about the difference between an obnoxious drunk in  
a bar and an obnoxious member of an e-mail list. I think it's obvious  
but, since you brought it up again, you don't seem to get it, so I'll  
say it again. Individuals on an unmoderated list can decide for  
themselves to filter out whomever they like with a couple of mouse  
clicks. The decision isn't made for them by someone else.


Frankus
Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible.


On Sep 11, 2007, at 10:16 PM, Anthony West wrote:

It is "public" in that all sorts of people can enter it and  
interact in front of other people, over whom they have no direct  
control. The same is true of Locust Walk or Dahlak or St. Francis  
de Sales Churches: all are public spaces.

Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, & Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors

2007-09-11 Thread Anthony West 
Get it about the filtering, etc., Frank. Still, many posters report they 
don't use listserves that way. They want to be able to scan a field of 
social incoming without constantly having to filter out objectionable 
public behavior. For them, internet public spaces that are responsive to 
consensual manners may be preferable to public spaces that resist them.


Of course Dahlak is a "public house" by ancient English usage, Frank. 
Maybe not for you -- but clearly it is for many other members of the 
public. In fact, I'll bet you a trillion electrons there are thousands 
of residents of University City who consider hanging out at places like 
Dahlak "public" behavior and consider whanging away at places like 
UC-list "private" behavior.


Takes all kinds, eh?

-- Tony West



Frank wrote:
DeSales and Dahlak are public spaces?? The owners of Dahlak can refuse 
admission to practically anyone, I think, as long as they are not 
"discriminating." DeSales is probably given even more leeway. I'm not 
sure about Locust Walk. Is it a city street or is it privately-owned?


I've posted before about the difference between an obnoxious drunk in 
a bar and an obnoxious member of an e-mail list. I think it's obvious 
but, since you brought it up again, you don't seem to get it, so I'll 
say it again. Individuals on an unmoderated list can decide for 
themselves to filter out whomever they like with a couple of mouse 
clicks. The decision isn't made for them by someone else.




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Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, & Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors

2007-09-12 Thread Mariellen Smith 
Gosh, this has been super interesting. Maybe we could make a listserv for 
people to discuss the listserv itself. It would be a great place to debate 
the merits of the listserv, discuss listserv philosophy, explore the 
fascinating nuances of e-manners, and gossip about other listservs. If my 
inbox is any indicator, I'm sure this would be a busy and successful list.


-Mariellen

At 11:51 PM 9/11/2007, Anthony West wrote:
Get it about the filtering, etc., Frank. Still, many posters report they 
don't use listserves that way. They want to be able to scan a field of 
social incoming without constantly having to filter out objectionable 
public behavior. For them, internet public spaces that are responsive to 
consensual manners may be preferable to public spaces that resist them.


Of course Dahlak is a "public house" by ancient English usage, Frank. 
Maybe not for you -- but clearly it is for many other members of the 
public. In fact, I'll bet you a trillion electrons there are thousands of 
residents of University City who consider hanging out at places like 
Dahlak "public" behavior and consider whanging away at places like UC-list 
"private" behavior.


Takes all kinds, eh?

-- Tony West



Frank wrote:
DeSales and Dahlak are public spaces?? The owners of Dahlak can refuse 
admission to practically anyone, I think, as long as they are not 
"discriminating." DeSales is probably given even more leeway. I'm not 
sure about Locust Walk. Is it a city street or is it privately-owned?


I've posted before about the difference between an obnoxious drunk in a 
bar and an obnoxious member of an e-mail list. I think it's obvious but, 
since you brought it up again, you don't seem to get it, so I'll say it 
again. Individuals on an unmoderated list can decide for themselves to 
filter out whomever they like with a couple of mouse clicks. The decision 
isn't made for them by someone else.




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Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, & Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors

2007-09-12 Thread Frank 
OR we could just post sarcastic comments about threads in which we  
have no interest.


Frankus
Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible.


On Sep 12, 2007, at 09:48 AM, Mariellen Smith wrote:

Gosh, this has been super interesting. Maybe we could make a  
listserv for people to discuss the listserv itself. It would be a  
great place to debate the merits of the listserv, discuss listserv  
philosophy, explore the fascinating nuances of e-manners, and  
gossip about other listservs. If my inbox is any indicator, I'm  
sure this would be a busy and successful list.


-Mariellen

At 11:51 PM 9/11/2007, Anthony West wrote:
Get it about the filtering, etc., Frank. Still, many posters  
report they don't use listserves that way. They want to be able to  
scan a field of social incoming without constantly having to  
filter out objectionable public behavior. For them, internet  
public spaces that are responsive to consensual manners may be  
preferable to public spaces that resist them.


Of course Dahlak is a "public house" by ancient English usage,  
Frank. Maybe not for you -- but clearly it is for many other  
members of the public. In fact, I'll bet you a trillion electrons  
there are thousands of residents of University City who consider  
hanging out at places like Dahlak "public" behavior and consider  
whanging away at places like UC-list "private" behavior.


Takes all kinds, eh?

-- Tony West



Frank wrote:
DeSales and Dahlak are public spaces?? The owners of Dahlak can  
refuse admission to practically anyone, I think, as long as they  
are not "discriminating." DeSales is probably given even more  
leeway. I'm not sure about Locust Walk. Is it a city street or is  
it privately-owned?


I've posted before about the difference between an obnoxious  
drunk in a bar and an obnoxious member of an e-mail list. I think  
it's obvious but, since you brought it up again, you don't seem  
to get it, so I'll say it again. Individuals on an unmoderated  
list can decide for themselves to filter out whomever they like  
with a couple of mouse clicks. The decision isn't made for them  
by someone else.




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Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, & Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors

2007-09-19 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN 

Mariellen Smith wrote:
Gosh, this has been super interesting. Maybe we could make a listserv 
for people to discuss the listserv itself. It would be a great place to 
debate the merits of the listserv, discuss listserv philosophy, explore 
the fascinating nuances of e-manners, and gossip about other listservs. 
If my inbox is any indicator, I'm sure this would be a busy and 
successful list.



I know you're trying to be wry and amusing here or whatever, 
and I appreciate that, but, if we think about it, isn't 
'discussing' what's published -- whether in print or online 
-- pretty much what's always been done? normally? publicly?


just because we may happen to be the ones actually creating 
the content, having the conversation, doesn't mean we can't 
also discuss creating content or talk about having 
conversations. also, quoting another listserv or talking 
about what's posted on another website isn't gossip or bad 
manners, any more than quoting a newspaper or a teevee show, 
nor does it take any special philosophy or etiquette.


for example, when glenn writes about kyle's list, about list 
gangs and penn-branded lists, and how kyle 'pre-banned' 
glenn from taking part in kyle's list, I can point out (with 
urls) how melani lamond and ross bender were posting to 
kyle's list before kyle ever announced it here on uclist on 
july 28. so in addition to 'pre-banning' there was 
'pre-enlisting'. here's how that went [and anyone is free to 
publicly comment on it]:



http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/01.html
   Richard Cardona
   Fri Jul 27

   ***

   Richard Cardona
   Director for Information Technology
   Annenberg School for Communication
   University of Pennsylvania
   (215) 898-9614


http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/02.html
   Kyle Cassidy
   Fri Jul 27

   Testing...


http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/04.html
   Ross Bender
   Fri Jul 27

   OK, let's see what happens.


http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/05.html
   Kyle Cassidy
   Fri Jul 27

   excellent. welcome aboard. we'll see how this goes for a
   few days. once more people get on, i'll experiment with
   forced moderation. the cool thing about this software
   is that i can pre-ban glenn!


http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/06.html
   Melani Lamond
   Fri Jul 27

   I'm in the Poconos, hoping to be sending the first email
   to Kyle's new listserv - but there may be no one on the
   list yet to receive it.  Thanks, Kyle, and I look forward
   to a productive, friendly, helpful list. We may be able
   to DOUBLE the number of members the UC List has had, and
   multiply the number of people willing to actually speak
   up by a huge number, and really have a great
   communication system for our neighborhood.


http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/07.html
   Melani Lamond
   Fri Jul 27

 kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu writes:
 > the cool thing about this software is that i can
 > pre-ban glenn!

   This will be heaven. But, I hope he doesn't know where
   you live.



http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/08.html
   Kyle Cassidy
   Fri Jul 27

   there are three of us on it now.  there are only 300
   people on the uc list. i don't think 600 would be
   difficult to get.



http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/09.html
   Ross Bender
   Fri Jul 27

   Actually, 370 as of today. Impossible to tell how many
   of those subscriber addresses are still active.



http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/10.html
   Kyle Cassidy
   Fri Jul 27

   it's such a nearly non-existent slice of this
   neighborhood. 370 people. at least all the cranks are
   isolated.


- - - - - - -

the problem with that last remark (besides its rudeness) is 
that there is no such thing as being 'isolated' in the 
public square. uclist and kyle's list are both publicly 
accessible, and participation in both is subject to public 
scrutiny and public commentary.



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[aka ray]
SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES.
  "It is very clear on this listserve who
   these people are. Ray has admitted being
   connected to this forger."  -- Tony West
  "Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated,
   more believable" -- Tony West

































































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Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, & Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors

2007-09-19 Thread Mariellen Smith 

I wish somebody would be wry and amusing.:-(
-Mariellen

At 05:18 PM 9/18/2007, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:

Mariellen Smith wrote:
Gosh, this has been super interesting. Maybe we could make a listserv for 
people to discuss the listserv itself. It would be a great place to 
debate the merits of the listserv, discuss listserv philosophy, explore 
the fascinating nuances of e-manners, and gossip about other listservs. 
If my inbox is any indicator, I'm sure this would be a busy and 
successful list.



I know you're trying to be wry and amusing here or whatever, and I 
appreciate that, but, if we think about it, isn't 'discussing' what's 
published -- whether in print or online -- pretty much what's always been 
done? normally? publicly?


just because we may happen to be the ones actually creating the content, 
having the conversation, doesn't mean we can't also discuss creating 
content or talk about having conversations. also, quoting another listserv 
or talking about what's posted on another website isn't gossip or bad 
manners, any more than quoting a newspaper or a teevee show, nor does it 
take any special philosophy or etiquette.


for example, when glenn writes about kyle's list, about list gangs and 
penn-branded lists, and how kyle 'pre-banned' glenn from taking part in 
kyle's list, I can point out (with urls) how melani lamond and ross bender 
were posting to kyle's list before kyle ever announced it here on uclist 
on july 28. so in addition to 'pre-banning' there was 'pre-enlisting'. 
here's how that went [and anyone is free to publicly comment on it]:



http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/01.html
   Richard Cardona
   Fri Jul 27

   ***

   Richard Cardona
   Director for Information Technology
   Annenberg School for Communication
   University of Pennsylvania
   (215) 898-9614


http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/02.html
   Kyle Cassidy
   Fri Jul 27

   Testing...


http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/04.html
   Ross Bender
   Fri Jul 27

   OK, let's see what happens.


http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/05.html
   Kyle Cassidy
   Fri Jul 27

   excellent. welcome aboard. we'll see how this goes for a
   few days. once more people get on, i'll experiment with
   forced moderation. the cool thing about this software
   is that i can pre-ban glenn!


http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/06.html
   Melani Lamond
   Fri Jul 27

   I'm in the Poconos, hoping to be sending the first email
   to Kyle's new listserv - but there may be no one on the
   list yet to receive it.  Thanks, Kyle, and I look forward
   to a productive, friendly, helpful list. We may be able
   to DOUBLE the number of members the UC List has had, and
   multiply the number of people willing to actually speak
   up by a huge number, and really have a great
   communication system for our neighborhood.


http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/07.html
   Melani Lamond
   Fri Jul 27

 kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu writes:
 > the cool thing about this software is that i can
 > pre-ban glenn!

   This will be heaven. But, I hope he doesn't know where
   you live.



http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/08.html
   Kyle Cassidy
   Fri Jul 27

   there are three of us on it now.  there are only 300
   people on the uc list. i don't think 600 would be
   difficult to get.



http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/09.html
   Ross Bender
   Fri Jul 27

   Actually, 370 as of today. Impossible to tell how many
   of those subscriber addresses are still active.



http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/10.html
   Kyle Cassidy
   Fri Jul 27

   it's such a nearly non-existent slice of this
   neighborhood. 370 people. at least all the cranks are
   isolated.


- - - - - - -

the problem with that last remark (besides its rudeness) is that there is 
no such thing as being 'isolated' in the public square. uclist and kyle's 
list are both publicly accessible, and participation in both is subject to 
public scrutiny and public commentary.



..
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
[aka laserbeam®]
[aka ray]
SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES.
  "It is very clear on this listserve who
   these people are. Ray has admitted being
   connected to this forger."  -- Tony West
  "Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated,
   more believable" -- Tony West

Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, & Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors

2007-09-19 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN 

Mariellen Smith wrote:

I wish /somebody/ would be wry and amusing.:-(




A thief in Paris planned to steal some paintings from the 
Louvre Museum. After careful planning, he got past security, 
stole the paintings, and made it safely to his van. However, 
he was captured only two blocks away when his van ran out of 
gas.


When asked how he could mastermind such a crime and then 
make such an obvious error, he replied, "Monsieur, that is 
the reason I stole the paintings. I had no Monet to buy 
Degas to make the Van Gogh."




..
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
[aka laserbeam®]
[aka ray]
SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES.
  "It is very clear on this listserve who
   these people are. Ray has admitted being
   connected to this forger."  -- Tony West
  "Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated,
   more believable" -- Tony West












































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Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, & Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors

2007-09-19 Thread Mariellen Smith 

THANK YOU!

At 03:05 PM 9/19/2007, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:

Mariellen Smith wrote:

I wish /somebody/ would be wry and amusing.:-(




A thief in Paris planned to steal some paintings from the Louvre Museum. 
After careful planning, he got past security, stole the paintings, and 
made it safely to his van. However, he was captured only two blocks away 
when his van ran out of gas.


When asked how he could mastermind such a crime and then make such an 
obvious error, he replied, "Monsieur, that is the reason I stole the 
paintings. I had no Monet to buy Degas to make the Van Gogh."




..
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
[aka laserbeam®]
[aka ray]
SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES.
  "It is very clear on this listserve who
   these people are. Ray has admitted being
   connected to this forger."  -- Tony West
  "Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated,
   more believable" -- Tony West












































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Re: [UC] Tony, Purple, & Villanova - was - the defectors to UCNeighbors

2007-09-19 Thread Wilma de Soto 
Well.., there it is.


On 9/18/07 5:18 PM, "UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mariellen Smith wrote:
>> Gosh, this has been super interesting. Maybe we could make a listserv
>> for people to discuss the listserv itself. It would be a great place to
>> debate the merits of the listserv, discuss listserv philosophy, explore
>> the fascinating nuances of e-manners, and gossip about other listservs.
>> If my inbox is any indicator, I'm sure this would be a busy and
>> successful list.
> 
> 
> I know you're trying to be wry and amusing here or whatever,
> and I appreciate that, but, if we think about it, isn't
> 'discussing' what's published -- whether in print or online
> -- pretty much what's always been done? normally? publicly?
> 
> just because we may happen to be the ones actually creating
> the content, having the conversation, doesn't mean we can't
> also discuss creating content or talk about having
> conversations. also, quoting another listserv or talking
> about what's posted on another website isn't gossip or bad
> manners, any more than quoting a newspaper or a teevee show,
> nor does it take any special philosophy or etiquette.
> 
> for example, when glenn writes about kyle's list, about list
> gangs and penn-branded lists, and how kyle 'pre-banned'
> glenn from taking part in kyle's list, I can point out (with
> urls) how melani lamond and ross bender were posting to
> kyle's list before kyle ever announced it here on uclist on
> july 28. so in addition to 'pre-banning' there was
> 'pre-enlisting'. here's how that went [and anyone is free to
> publicly comment on it]:
> 
> 
> http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/01.html
> Richard Cardona
> Fri Jul 27
> 
> ***
> 
> Richard Cardona
> Director for Information Technology
> Annenberg School for Communication
> University of Pennsylvania
> (215) 898-9614
> 
> 
> http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/02.html
> Kyle Cassidy
> Fri Jul 27
> 
> Testing...
> 
> 
> http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/04.html
> Ross Bender
> Fri Jul 27
> 
> OK, let's see what happens.
> 
> 
> http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/05.html
> Kyle Cassidy
> Fri Jul 27
> 
> excellent. welcome aboard. we'll see how this goes for a
> few days. once more people get on, i'll experiment with
> forced moderation. the cool thing about this software
> is that i can pre-ban glenn!
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> http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/06.html
> Melani Lamond
> Fri Jul 27
> 
> I'm in the Poconos, hoping to be sending the first email
> to Kyle's new listserv - but there may be no one on the
> list yet to receive it.  Thanks, Kyle, and I look forward
> to a productive, friendly, helpful list. We may be able
> to DOUBLE the number of members the UC List has had, and
> multiply the number of people willing to actually speak
> up by a huge number, and really have a great
> communication system for our neighborhood.
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> http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/07.html
> Melani Lamond
> Fri Jul 27
> 
>   kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu writes:
>> the cool thing about this software is that i can
>> pre-ban glenn!
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> This will be heaven. But, I hope he doesn't know where
> you live.
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> http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/08.html
> Kyle Cassidy
> Fri Jul 27
> 
> there are three of us on it now.  there are only 300
> people on the uc list. i don't think 600 would be
> difficult to get.
> 
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> http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/09.html
> Ross Bender
> Fri Jul 27
> 
> Actually, 370 as of today. Impossible to tell how many
> of those subscriber addresses are still active.
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> http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/pipermail/ucneighbors/2007-July/10.html
> Kyle Cassidy
> Fri Jul 27
> 
> it's such a nearly non-existent slice of this
> neighborhood. 370 people. at least all the cranks are
> isolated.
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> the problem with that last remark (besides its rudeness) is
> that there is no such thing as being 'isolated' in the
> public square. uclist and kyle's list are both publicly
> accessible, and participation in both is subject to public
> scrutiny and public commentary.
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> ..
> UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
> [aka laserbeam®]
> [aka ray]
> SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES.
>"It is very clear on this listserve who
> these people are. Ray has admitted being
> connected to this forger."  -- Tony West
>"Ray's falsehoods are more sophisticated,
> more believable" -- Tony West
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