What Happened to the Menus?

[Gardner, Joseph A]

Hey again. Something weird happened to my copy of Rev 2.0.1. When I open the program, 
all I get is the tools pallet and no menu bar. I can't do anything in the program 
without access to the menus. Any idea how I can get the menu bar back? Even opening a 
stack directly by dropping it on the app just produces the stack window and the tools 
pallet. I can't even quit Rev unless I right-click on the task bar and chose "Close". 
This is under Win2K.

Appreciate any suggestions...

joe.
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Linewidth of a graphic not working correct

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

When creating a graphic (rectangle for instance) on a layout, you see the
rect and its eight points WITHIN the object.

When changing the bordersize from an odd number to even, you the right and
bottom of this object are not set correctly, the line gets thicker, but is 1
pixels smaller than the actual rect... So, using a borderwidth of 1, 3, 5,
etc. works the way it is supposed to do, but 2, 4, 6, etc. gives a visual
discrepancy...)

This makes it impossible to create exact images :-(

We are creating a project were one can draw items on top of a visible grid,
but when activating the "snap to grid" function, it is impossible to draw
two items exactly next to each other (touching the right of object 1 and the
left of object 2)

HELPPP

It this behaviour a property we can set?

Regards,

Ton Kuypers

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Re: What Happened to the Menus?

[Jan Schenkel]

--- "Gardner, Joseph A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey again. Something weird happened to my copy of
> Rev 2.0.1. When I open the program, all I get is the
> tools pallet and no menu bar. I can't do anything in
> the program without access to the menus. Any idea
> how I can get the menu bar back? Even opening a
> stack directly by dropping it on the app just
> produces the stack window and the tools pallet. I
> can't even quit Rev unless I right-click on the task
> bar and chose "Close". This is under Win2K.
> 
> Appreciate any suggestions...
> 
> joe.
> 

Hi Joe,

Try this in the message box (Ctrl-M to show it) :
set the topLeft of stack "revMenubar" to "10,10"

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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Rochefoucauld)

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Re: Indirect variable reference

[Jan Schenkel]

--- Howard Bornstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a way to reference a variable through
> another variable in 
> Transcript?
> 
> IOW, I'd like to do something like this:
> 
> Repeat with i = 1 to 5
>   put "List"&i into theList
>   put i into value(theList)
> end repeat
> 
> The idea is that I construct 5 variables, named
> list1, list2, list3, 
> list4, and list5 in the variable theList. Then I put
> a value in each of 
> these variables through the referencing variable
> (theList). 
> 
> The Value function is sort of what I have in mind
> (it first evaluates the 
> expression) but, of course, it doesn't work in this
> fashion. Is there 
> another way to do this (am I missing something
> obvious) or is this not 
> possible in Transcript?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Howard Bornstein
> 

Hi Howard,

Try the do command :
  do ("put i into" && value(theList))

Hope this helped,

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RE: Indirect variable reference

[Monte Goulding]

>
> Is there a way to reference a variable through another variable in
> Transcript?
>
> IOW, I'd like to do something like this:
>
> Repeat with i = 1 to 5
>   put "List"&i into theList
>   put i into value(theList)
> end repeat
>
> The idea is that I construct 5 variables, named list1, list2, list3,
> list4, and list5 in the variable theList. Then I put a value in each of
> these variables through the referencing variable (theList).
>
> The Value function is sort of what I have in mind (it first evaluates the
> expression) but, of course, it doesn't work in this fashion. Is there
> another way to do this (am I missing something obvious) or is this not
> possible in Transcript?
>
>
Hi Howard

I can't solve the problem here but you may get the functionality you want
out of arrays:

repeat with i = 1 to 5
  put whatever into theList[i]
end repeat

Regards

Monte

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Re: Linewidth of a graphic not working correct

[Dar Scott]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 01:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When creating a graphic (rectangle for instance) on a layout, you see 
the
rect and its eight points WITHIN the object.

When changing the bordersize from an odd number to even, you the right 
and
bottom of this object are not set correctly, the line gets thicker, 
but is 1
pixels smaller than the actual rect... So, using a borderwidth of 1, 
3, 5,
etc. works the way it is supposed to do, but 2, 4, 6, etc. gives a 
visual
discrepancy...)
Is this Windows?

Dar Scott

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It don't work good!

[mitchell mark]

Sigh.  After completing again what has now become my daily routine -- 
downloading today's version of Rev, copying my license stuff to the 
clip board, unlocking, restarting -- I usually start the day with high 
hopes that the previous problem is now fixed, only to discover that 
something new is broken.
2.01 for Mac OSX, distribution builder :  it can't open the OSX engine 
in the components...lo and behold, if you open components/engines, the 
only one in there is Mac OSFAT.  But, if I choose that, of course the 
Dist. builder freezes at "copying components" step. I have to 'force 
quit'.  I redownloaded 2.01 and got the same result.
At least the dist. builder worked in 2.00.  Sigh.  Maybe I'll have 
better luck with tomorrow's version :-)

mark in Japan

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Re: Linewidth of a graphic not working correct

[Dar Scott]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 02:29 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 01:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When creating a graphic (rectangle for instance) on a layout, you see 
the
rect and its eight points WITHIN the object.

When changing the bordersize from an odd number to even, you the 
right and
bottom of this object are not set correctly, the line gets thicker, 
but is 1
pixels smaller than the actual rect... So, using a borderwidth of 1, 
3, 5,
etc. works the way it is supposed to do, but 2, 4, 6, etc. gives a 
visual
discrepancy...)
Is this Windows?
And what version of Revolution are you using?

Some time ago, I reported a problem like this for Windows and a much 
worse border problem for OS X.  I'm not sure, but I think the border 
problem for OS X has been fixed.

Dar Scott

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Re: Linewidth of a graphic not working correct

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Yep
Just tried it on the Mac and no problems over there...

So this strange problem is on Windows (XP) only as far as I can see right
now...

Ton Kuypers

> From: Dar Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:29:53 -0600
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Linewidth of a graphic not working correct
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 01:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> When creating a graphic (rectangle for instance) on a layout, you see
>> the
>> rect and its eight points WITHIN the object.
>> 
>> When changing the bordersize from an odd number to even, you the right
>> and
>> bottom of this object are not set correctly, the line gets thicker,
>> but is 1
>> pixels smaller than the actual rect... So, using a borderwidth of 1,
>> 3, 5,
>> etc. works the way it is supposed to do, but 2, 4, 6, etc. gives a
>> visual
>> discrepancy...)
> 
> Is this Windows?
> 
> Dar Scott
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Re: Linewidth of a graphic not working correct

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Version 2.0.1 on both OSX and Windows, only the Windows version seems to
have this problem...

> From: Dar Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:29:53 -0600
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Linewidth of a graphic not working correct
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 01:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> When creating a graphic (rectangle for instance) on a layout, you see
>> the
>> rect and its eight points WITHIN the object.
>> 
>> When changing the bordersize from an odd number to even, you the right
>> and
>> bottom of this object are not set correctly, the line gets thicker,
>> but is 1
>> pixels smaller than the actual rect... So, using a borderwidth of 1,
>> 3, 5,
>> etc. works the way it is supposed to do, but 2, 4, 6, etc. gives a
>> visual
>> discrepancy...)
> 
> Is this Windows?
> 
> Dar Scott
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New Search Documents Plugin...

[Chipp Walters]

Jeanne,

You rock. This is a thing of beauty...wish I had it a year ago!!!

Thanks.

-Chipp

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Re: Indirect variable reference

[Martin Baxter]

Howard,

I'd probably do something like this:

  Repeat with i = 1 to 5
put "List"&i into line i of theList
put "put "&i&" into "&line i of thelist into todo
do todo
  end repeat

  repeat with i = 1 to 5
put "put List"&i&"&return after var" into todo
do todo
  end repeat
  put var

you have to watch the quotes carefully but it works

martin baxter

>Howard Bornstein wrote
>Is there a way to reference a variable through another variable in
>Transcript?
>
>IOW, I'd like to do something like this:
>
>Repeat with i = 1 to 5
>  put "List"&i into theList
>  put i into value(theList)
>end repeat
>
>The idea is that I construct 5 variables, named list1, list2, list3,
>list4, and list5 in the variable theList. Then I put a value in each of
>these variables through the referencing variable (theList).
>
>The Value function is sort of what I have in mind (it first evaluates the
>expression) but, of course, it doesn't work in this fashion. Is there
>another way to do this (am I missing something obvious) or is this not
>possible in Transcript?
>
>TIA,
>
>Howard Bornstein


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Re: Indirect variable reference

[Cubist]

sez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>Is there a way to reference a variable through another variable in 
>Transcript?
>IOW, I'd like to do something like this:
>
>Repeat with i = 1 to 5
>  put "List"&i into theList
>  put i into value(theList)
>end repeat
>
>The idea is that I construct 5 variables, named list1, list2, list3, 
>list4, and list5 in the variable theList. Then I put a value in each of
>these variables through the referencing variable (theList). 
>
>The Value function is sort of what I have in mind (it first evaluates the
>expression) but, of course, it doesn't work in this fashion. Is there 
>another way to do this (am I missing something obvious) or is this not
>possible in Transcript?
   Not sure about Transcript, but in HyperTalk, the DO keyword does what you 
want:

repeat with K1 = 1 to (the number of items in ListOfVariables)
  do ("put item K1 of TheData into" && item K1 of ListOfVariables)
end repeat

   Hope this helps...
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Re: Custom Cursors

[Klaus Major]

Hi Ton,

Klaus,

Thanks for your response... It only took me an hour to find out that 
your
solution doesn't work in 2.0.1 :-(
just tested it and you are right...
(verdamme...not Jean-Claude :-)
Worked in 1.1 so i just thought it to work in 2, too.

The cursor works but is inverted here... Big fun...

Lucky me, I kept a copy of 1.1, and that did the trick :-))
Smart guy ;-)



...calling scotland...



Tnx
Graag gedaan :-)

Ton


Groetjes

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Unicode from ODBC database query

[Alastair Martindale]

I'd like to use Revolution to query an Access 2000 database which contains 
some unicode characters in a text field.

I have a test database with three characters in a, a macron (a with 
horizontal line above) and a acute.

I open the database as follows:
put revOpenDatabase("ODBC","RevTest",,"","") into dbRevTest
put "SELECT * FROM RevTest" into sqlRevTest
put revDataFromQuery(comma,return,dbRevTest,sqlRevTest) into strResults
But when I look at each of the characters returned I get a, a, a acute.

I have tried getting the numeric code for each character using charToNum, 
with and without "useUnicode" set to true, but each time the the result is 
97, 97, 225, instead of 97, 257, 225.

Using ASP and Microsoft ODBC I can retrieve the 'a macron' as a distinct 
character, different from 'a'.
How can I do this in Revolution?
Does Revolution database access support unicode or double byte characters?
If it doesn't are there plans to include it any time soon?

Thanks in advance
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Can We All Rock with Chipp and Jeanne ?

[Mathewson]

Great to hear about a new Search Documents plug-in: where
do we get it from ?

Richmond Mathewson
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Custom Cursors

[Mathewson]

The cursor works but is inverted here... Big fun...

- SO ? just make sure the image you import is an inverted
version of what you want to end up with 

The fun may noy be very big, but at least it will be
upside-down!

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Re: Custom Cursors

[Klaus Major]

Hi Richmond,

The cursor works but is inverted here... Big fun...

- SO ? just make sure the image you import is an inverted
version of what you want to end up with 
Sounds logical, somehow ;-)

The fun may noy be very big, but at least it will be
upside-down!
Sure, you're right.

But, speaking in a "car"-metaphore, i would like to open the
drivers door directly. If it will only open when you try to open one
of the other doors, fine, but that car will never be mine...
Well, you get the picture... :-)

Richmond Mathewson
Regards

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It is working in RR 1.1 AND in MC 2.5!!! So what...
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Custom Cursors

[Mathewson]

P.S.
It is working in RR 1.1 AND in MC 2.5!!! So what...

OKlet's get really bloody-minded..

What happens if we do the work in MC 2.5 and then open the
end result in RR 2.0.1 ?

Just waiting while a tryout version of Photoshop
decompresses on my work computer..

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Re: Custom Cursors

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> P.S.
> It is working in RR 1.1 AND in MC 2.5!!! So what...
So maybe I need XML support in my project so using RR 1.1 is not an option
and MC 2.5 is not on my PC...
> 
> OKlet's get really bloody-minded..
Go ahead, make my day ;-)
> 
> What happens if we do the work in MC 2.5 and then open the
> end result in RR 2.0.1 ?
Creating them in 1.1 and using them in 2.0 works fine, that's the way I am
doing it right now...
So where is the bloody-minded part?
> 
> Just waiting while a tryout version of Photoshop
> decompresses on my work computer..
T, a real developer not having a full version of PhotoShop?
That's a kinky thought... ;-)

Ton

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Custom Cursors

[Mathewson]

1.  Just created a stack with custom cursors in RR 2.0.1
(Mac OS X) with absolutely no
  problems at all!

  Uploading it to contribs page.

2.  Digs about developers not owning photoshop: some of us
are 'struggling artists' and
  photoshop is very expensive.  Of course if Meister
Kuijpers is feeling generous he
  is more than welcome to buy me a copy of Photoshop!

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Re: Custom Cursors

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> 
> 1.  Just created a stack with custom cursors in RR 2.0.1
> (Mac OS X) with absolutely no
> problems at all!
> 
> Uploading it to contribs page.

It seems that this is a Windows (XP?) problem only then... Thanks 4 the
effort, will look into your contribution right away!
> 
> 2.  Digs about developers not owning photoshop: some of us
> are 'struggling artists' and
> photoshop is very expensive.  Of course if Meister
> Kuijpers is feeling generous he
> is more than welcome to buy me a copy of Photoshop!
Hahahahaha
I know it is, but because of the complexity an the kind of jobs I am doing
it is very nice for me to have a copy...
And if my budget would allow it, I would by an unlimited user licence for
all of you ;-)

Ton Kuypers

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Re: Custom Cursors

[Klaus Major]

Hi Richmond,

1.  Just created a stack with custom cursors in RR 2.0.1
(Mac OS X) with absolutely no problems at all!
Hm, i tried it on OS X...!!!???

Uploading it to contribs page.
Timeo scotiae et dona ferentes :-)

2.  Digs about developers not owning photoshop: some of us
are 'struggling artists' and photoshop is very expensive.
Sad, but true...

A Boing is very expensive, too...
But if you try to make a living with an airline... ;-)
Of course if Meister Kuijpers
LOL :-)

is feeling generous he is more than welcome to buy me
a copy of Photoshop!
Richmond Mathewson
Regards

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Repeat request: Can anyone help with the 'printable area' problem

[Graham]

Hi list

I've brought all this up before, but unfortunately I now have a strong 
reason to know how much paper I have to print on. The users of an app I'm 
adapting to be multiplatform - using RunRev of course! -want the largest 
copy of a drawing that can be got onto a page without clipping, and I'm no 
nearer a solution. So, to repeat my message sent earlier this month:

It seems from earlier posts that neither MC or RR offer a way for a 
scripter to find out what the actual printable area is on a page. It seems 
so crashingly obvious to me that this is absolutely needed for any but the 
most primitive printing facility in an application that I think it's time 
we got some kind of solution, at least for Macs and PCs. If anyone with 
sufficient technical skills would like to take on a solution for either or 
both of these platforms (Applescript, Xcfn,DLL etc - I am not competent to 
judge), contact me off list and we'll see if we can come to some arrangement.


I think all I need is something that when activated sets the printMargins 
to the selected printer's minimum rather than 72 points all round (which in 
fact is more than the minimum margins of any printer I've ever used). Of 
course having captured this info, one would still be free to alter the 
printMargins, or have the user alter them via a Page Setup dialog as usual.

What I really can't understand is why other people don't want this facility 
as much as I do. There are a million different kinds of applications out 
there, and I guess a good few of them don't have much paper output.

Graham

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Hilited Text in a button

[Graham]

In the property inspector for a rectangular button (RR2.0.1, Windows XP), 
the 'Colors & Patterns' section has a property called 'Hilited Text'. I 
can't work out from the TD what property is being affected by this - it 
looks from experiment like the hilite color for the button itself, 
certainly not the text. In fact I can't work out how to change the button's 
hilited text color from the PI at all.

BTW, there's a property with no explanatory text below this in the same PI 
which on my machine can be cleared but not set. Wonder what this is.

Clarifications, anyone?

Graham

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Re: Custom Cursors

[Emmanuel Companys]

Le mercredi, 11 juin 2003, à 13:04 Europe/Paris, Mathewson a écrit :

1.  Just created a stack with custom cursors in RR 2.0.1
(Mac OS X) with absolutely no
  problems at all!
  Uploading it to contribs page.
Sounds wonderfull, as do plenty of those goodies of yours.

To bad I cannot use them:
•  by clicking: '... has unexpexpectedly quitted" (they try to poen 
another standalone, even though the real RR program is already open.

•  by the RR open  stack menu item: the names of your programs are 
dimmed, so I cannot  open them.

Where is the catch?

Manuel

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Re: Custom Cursors

[François Cuneo]

Hi!
Is it possible by a command to insert a line just before or after a selected
line in a List Field?
Thank you for your answer
Friendly
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OUPS, The last subject is wrong! It was "Is it Possible to inserta line in a list field"

[François Cuneo]

Hi!
Is it possible by a command to insert a line just before or after a selected
line in a List Field?
Thank you for your answer
Friendly
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menu builder

[muaadh salih]

Title: menu builder


On going through the  Tutorials  and on practicing menu
building it seems that either I have not seeen somthing imprtamt or
there might be a bug.
Problem : Script of help menu:

on menuPick
pWhich
  switch pWhich
  case "Help"
Answer " This is a test"
    break
  case "About"
Answer " I have written this"
    break
  end switch
end menuPick
--
does not seem
to work; clicking on ether submenu produce nothing.

I have
checked that every thing is for "Revolution 2.01
.education"

any
idea
help

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Re: Custom Cursors

[Klaus Major]

Bonjour François,

ca va bien?

Hi!
Is it possible by a command to insert a line just before or after a 
selected
line in a List Field?
Yes, at no extra cost :-)

obejcts used in this example:

fld "list", which will have line selected
(NO multiple hilites, please ;-)
fld "to add", which holds the string to add :-)
can also be a variable, of course...
btn "insert", whith one of these scripts:

1. to add a line before the selected line:

on mouseup
  put the hilitedlines of fld "list" into hl
  if hl = empty then exit mouseup
  put fld "to add" & CR before line hl of fld "list"
end mouseUp
2. to add a line after the selected line:

on mouseup
  put the hilitedlines of fld "list" into hl
  if hl = empty then exit mouseup
  put CR & fld "to add" after line hl of fld "list"
end mouseUp
Tested and works ;-)

You might want to use the alt-key to combine
these scripts a la:
if the altkey is down then
  ## before...
 else
 ## after...
end if
You get the picture... :-)

Thank you for your answer
A votre service, monsieur...

Friendly
François
Au revoir

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How to open Richmond's bits of fluff....

[Mathewson]

This is a problem I frequently encounter (not just with my
own stacks); I don't know the reason for this:

Trying to open stacks through the 'Open' dialogue in the
menu bar gives me a list of dimmed out RR stacks.

The trick I use in Mac OS X is to fire up Runtime
Revolution; once it has opened I drag the stack I wish to
open to the RR icon on the Dock - and it opens.

The trick I use in Mac OS 9 is to fire up Runtime
Revolution; once it has opened I drag the stack I wish to
open to the application RR icon - and it opens.

I am afraid I have no experience worth mentioning with
Windows - but I assume there is some type of similar trick.

Richmond Mathewson
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Custom Cursors - Linux and Unix ?

[Mathewson]

We have been discussing custom cursors using GIF images,
and have found out that everything goes wonky using RR 2
under Windows XP.

Is there anybody out there who can give us some feedback on
any of the other Operating Systems that Runtime Revolution
works on???

Richmond Mathewson
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Re: Linewidth of a graphic not working correct

[Dar Scott]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 02:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Version 2.0.1 on both OSX and Windows, only the Windows version seems 
to
have this problem...
This was reported with some major problems with lines on OS X, so it 
may have fallen into the crack.

I suggest a workaround to adjust the two wandering edges.  This should 
detect Windows and only do it there.



Here is how I look at a close up of pixels in Revolution.  Think of 
pixels as squares on a grid

In most cases (well, all I have used), it is helpful to look at 
positions as _between_ the pixels.  A pixel might be, say between 
coordinate 100 and 101.  If you make a rectangle whose left is 100 and 
whose right is 103, it will occupy columns of pixels, 100-101, 101-102, 
102-103.  Note that the real width, 3, and the width property are the 
same.

Note that the center, because of the odd width is at 101.5 and the 
location property is (I think) probably 101.  If you are making fine 
adjustments, don't use the location, use the rectangle property or 
left/top/right/bottom.

In this model, the card origin is just to the upper left of the upper 
left pixel.

A rectangle whose left is 103 and whose top and bottom are the same as 
the one above will butt against the one above.



I'm assuming that odd or even width does not affect this.  You may want 
to run a test.

The workaround is simply to adjust the rectangle.  (You can use custom 
properties, but I'll assume commands and functions.)

Make a function called trueRectangle and a command called 
setTrueRectangle.  Make a function called trueBorderWidth and a command 
called setTrueBorderWidth.

If the platform is Windows...  The command setTrueRectangle adjusts the 
right and bottom one up if the borderWidth is even and then sets the 
rectangle.  The function trueRectangle decreases the right and bottom 
returned by the rectangle before returning that if the borderWidth is 
even.  The command setTrueBorderWidth increases the right and the 
bottom if the borderWidth changes from odd to even and decreases them 
if it changes from even to odd.  It sets the borderWidth, too, of 
course.  Run everything through these.

If you use an alternate model of pixel coordinates, then you have to 
adjust your thinking accordingly.

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Re: Custom Cursors

[Richard Gaskin]

> The cursor works but is inverted here... Big fun...
> 
> - SO ? just make sure the image you import is an inverted
> version of what you want to end up with 

I had a problem in which some cursor images made in slightly non-standard
GIF tools would show well on one platform but not another.   But I also
learned that using images made with the engine work well across all
platforms.  Rather than give up the drawing conveniences of other tools, I
imported the GIFs but then in Rev I changed one pixel and then changed it
back again, which prompts the engine to rewrite the image data in the proper
color order.

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Re: 2 colors for 2 line btn labels?

[Dar Scott]

On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 08:44 PM, erik hansen wrote:

is there a way to set different colors for
different lines in the label on a btn?
No. (Sorry.) You can set only the entire
button's colors at a time.
Mr. Miscdas says yes!
I'd be pleased to learn this trick.

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Re: Custom Cursors - Linux and Unix ?

[Roger . E . Eller]

On 06/11/2003 at 09:17 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Is there anybody out there who can give us some feedback on
> any of the other Operating Systems that Runtime Revolution
> works on???
> 
> Richmond Mathewson

I wish that I could. I have been trying for weeks to get the sgi-irix version working at all. When 2.0 was released, all that it would do was display the splash screen (forever), and displayed these errors in the console.

sh: components/global environment/revxml-Linux: cannot execute
sh: components/global environment/revdb-Linux: cannot execute

I reported the problem to runrev, and in the announcement of version 2.01 it said that XML and DB functions for unix systems had been disabled. So, I tried 2.01 on the Silicon Graphics Irix machine. It still freezes at the splach screen, but without displaying any errors in the console.

On a positive note, many of the WinXP errors I had experienced in 2.0 seem to be fixed.

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RE: Is it Possible to insert a line in a list field

[Klaus Major]

Bonjour François,

ca va bien?

Just posted this one again with the correct subject :-)

Hi!
Is it possible by a command to insert a line just before or after a 
selected
line in a List Field?
Yes, at no extra cost :-)

obejcts used in this example:

fld "list", which will have line selected
(NO multiple hilites, please ;-)
fld "to add", which holds the string to add :-)
can also be a variable, of course...
btn "insert", whith one of these scripts:

1. to add a line before the selected line:

on mouseup
  put the hilitedlines of fld "list" into hl
  if hl = empty then exit mouseup
  put fld "to add" & CR before line hl of fld "list"
end mouseUp
2. to add a line after the selected line:

on mouseup
  put the hilitedlines of fld "list" into hl
  if hl = empty then exit mouseup
  put CR & fld "to add" after line hl of fld "list"
end mouseUp
Tested and works ;-)

You might want to use the alt-key to combine
these scripts a la:
if the altkey is down then
  ## before...
 else
 ## after...
end if
You get the picture... :-)

Thank you for your answer
A votre service, monsieur...

Friendly
François
Au revoir

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I'm having a terrible time

[JOHN FABIANI]

Hi,
I'm having a terrible time getting the program to run correctly. I'm
using SuSE 8.2 on dual AMD 1700 system. When I run the program it opens
and many screens appear to work.  However, when I attempt to open the
script editor I only get a flash.  I can see that a window gets opened
but it closes immediately.  Also I have to open the inspector window
before I attempt to do anything else or it does the flash routine too. 
At first I thought this had to do with the SMP kernal but the program
acts the same way on a single CPU system (also running SuSE 8.2).  Both
systems are using 2.4.20.  Does anyone know what may be the cause of the
trouble.  The system looks promising and I don't really want to give
up.  If it's not going to work at this time please just let me know.  

TIA
John
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Re: How to open Richmond's bits of fluff....

[Emmanuel Companys]

Le mercredi, 11 juin 2003, à 15:02 Europe/Paris, Mathewson a écrit :

This is a problem I frequently encounter (not just with my
own stacks); I don't know the reason for this:
Trying to open stacks through the 'Open' dialogue in the
menu bar gives me a list of dimmed out RR stacks.
The trick I use in Mac OS X is to fire up Runtime
Revolution; once it has opened I drag the stack I wish to
open to the RR icon on the Dock - and it opens.
I  tryed it with "Consonants" : a fantastic stack (as well the 
container as the contents). Congratulations.
It made me feel ashamed  thinking of the poor sad HyperCard stacks I 
made ten years ago on almost the same subject.

The trick I use in Mac OS 9 is to fire up Runtime
Revolution; once it has opened I drag the stack I wish to
open to the application RR icon - and it opens.
I am afraid I have no experience worth mentioning with
Windows - but I assume there is some type of similar trick.
But  I suspect there is something wrong in the distribution builder. I 
dont find it normal, either, that a standalone, which has its one run 
program, would open another standalone, especially if the last 
Revolution engine used was the real RR program, and/or if the RR 
program is already open!

I sent an uncompacted macOS X standalone to a friend:  it opened Excel!

This standalone problem  is most important for the future use of RR.

Manuel

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Consonants (was How to open Richmond's bits of fluff....)

[Dar Scott]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 09:37 AM, Emmanuel Companys wrote:

I  tryed it with "Consonants" : a fantastic stack (as well the 
container as the contents).
Is this a phonetics tool?  How available is that?

Dar Scott

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Re: fixed line height btn Bug

[Wolfgang M. Bereuter]

Hi Jeanne,
On Wednesday, Jun 11, 2003, at 01:10 Europe/Vienna, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto 
wrote:

fixed line height btn Bug
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 9:53 AM -0700 6/10/03, Wolfgang M. Bereuter wrote:
Hi RR team,

bug report:
open stack
make textfield
open tool palette
basic properties
fixed line height
all four buttons to set the text height and first intend are not
working like they should...
Could you be a little more specific about what problem you are seeing?
These controls work fine here.
FOA.. I saw the same effekt with all fields and all buttons
pls dont tell me thats a new *feature*;o)
I will explain it now with a textfield changing the height

In the palette (basic props, size and position) where you can change 
the size of a control, is a kind of oval vertical double btn with 2 
triangles, to up and downsize the control and the numbers in the 
textfields beside...

The usual behaviour of this type of btns in any tool is (was also in 
1.1.1):
If you click on the upper triangle the numbers are going up and the 
size of the control too.
If you  click on the lower triangle the numbers are going down
If you hold down the btn it goes up (down) until you leave the btn...

Pls correct me if I m wrong...

Not one of this regular(expected) behavior works here. (OSX 10.2.6 G4 
764)
Hence I thougth that unusual behaviour is so clear, that it does not 
need any further description
Sorry, seems my fault, so the recipe...

tool palette
size and position
*upper triangle of the oval btn
On mouse over upper triangle (changes to the hand cursor)
click with the finger (of the handcursor) on the upper triangle
it is *not* clickable (only the area of lower triangle flashes blue) 
but nothing happens.
No change in the numbers in the (textfield (palette)
No change in the size of the control itself

lower triangle
On mouse over lower triangle (changes to the hand cursor)
click with the finger (handcursor) on the lower triangle
flashes blue correct but does also nothing (like the click on the upper 
one)

*and:
if you hold the mouse down over the triangle (upper or lower) and move 
it a bit out of the area of the triangle the size jumps in one moment 
to about 1300, 5000 or 1 (depends on how long or how far you go out 
of the area with mosue down, - also a *bit* unusual...

*change the size of the control with mouse pointer or in the palettes 
textfields works correct

On Tuesday, Jun 10, 2003, at 21:37 Europe/Vienna, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Is there a form for submitting bug reports?
Richard,
what did you mean with that?
Is it that kind of recipe you asked for, or..?
Sorry again... I could not imagine that I m the only one which has uses 
the btns...

regards
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substack behavior

[rand valentine]

  Greetings to all, and many thanks for all of the helpful posts to this
list. I'm working on a fairly elaborate database (a dictionary research
tool), using RR 2.0. I want to be able to provide myself and my research
partner with reference materials, and the logical way to do this would seem
to be to have floating substacks that provide different kinds of information
in fields. But when I open a substack, I have to negotiate all of the open
stack, close stack, etc. stuff -- but what I really want is just a floating
window that provides information -- is there any way to suppress the
open-stack messages and that sort of stuff? It's easy enough to have a blank
open-stack handler in the sub-stack, e.g.,

on openstack

end openstack

but this seems kludgy and there may be all sorts of handlers going off that
I'm unaware of -- is there like a global setting for a stack that goes --
pretend this isn't a stack but just a popup window? Thanks.

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RE: Can We All Rock with Chipp and Jeanne ?

[Chipp Walters]

Richmond,

It's already installed in the latest version of RR. 
Get your rocking chair and meet us on the porch.

-Chipp

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> 
> 
> Great to hear about a new Search Documents plug-in: where
> do we get it from ?
> 
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Re: Textfield BorderColor bug..?

[Wolfgang M. Bereuter]

On Wednesday, Jun 11, 2003, at 00:43 Europe/Vienna, Sarah wrote:

You can change most of the borders if you set the shadow color, but as 
you say, the extra thickness at the top stays grey no matter what you 
do. The only other option is to turn off 3D. Then the borders show the 
border color, not the shadow color, but still with a weird grey line 
at the top.

Thanks Sarah,
(sorry for the lost "h" in the last post;))
turn off 3D does not help, because its should be like it is because 
that works fine in WIN and OS9.
I saw this in a MC 2,5 build too.
So.., it seems a bug in the engine...
Can I do anything in this case..?

regards
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URL

[Christopher S. Walters]

This is my first time emailing on this list.  I hope someone can help me.. I am trying 
to make it to where when i push on a button it will go to a website. 
this is my script
on mouseup
  get URL
"HTTP://www.printers.ibm.com/pbin-oasis/rgw/IBM.RBK?HID_FORM_INST=12944.70043659.144.30.11.154.455%25FDIBM%25FDHOME&HID_SHELL_SCRIPT=/pbin-oasis/rgw/IBM.RBK&HID_EVENTSTR=onAnchor%25FD%25FDfmOC2%2Cthis.Create%28fmOC2%29&HID_NAV_HIST=/pbin-oasis/rgw/IBM.RBK/IBM%3AHOME%2Cthis.Refresh%28%29&HID_DEFAULT_TARGET=&HID_USER=UNKNOWN%25FD167177%25FD%25FD0&HID_USER_DATA=&HID_BROWSER=e6&HID_BROWSER_CAP=BCAP010112101001021011010&HID_JAVA=2&HID_KEY=&HID_RECORDSET=dsIBMDATA&MV_ROW=&evntcntNc=1055201667410";
end mouseup
when i click on the button nothing happens. can anyone help?

Christopher "Scott" Walters
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Re: URL

[Klaus Major]

Hi Chris,


This is my first time emailing on this list.
Hello and welcome :-)

 I hope someone can help me..
Sure!

I am trying to make it to where when i push on a button it will go to  
a website.
this is my script
on mouseup
  get URL
"HTTP://www.printers.ibm.com/pbin-oasis/rgw/ 
IBM.RBK?HID_FORM_INST=12944.70043659.144.30.11.154.455%25FDIBM%25FDHOME 
&HID_SHELL_SCRIPT=/pbin-oasis/rgw/ 
IBM.RBK&HID_EVENTSTR=onAnchor%25FD%25FDfmOC2%2Cthis.Create%28fmOC2%29&H 
ID_NAV_HIST=/pbin-oasis/rgw/IBM.RBK/ 
IBM%3AHOME%2Cthis.Refresh%28%29&HID_DEFAULT_TARGET=&HID_USER=UNKNOWN%25 
FD167177%25FD%25FD0&HID_USER_DATA=&HID_BROWSER=e6&HID_BROWSER_CAP=BCAP0 
10112101001021011010&HID_JAVA=2&HID_KEY=&HID_RECORDSET=dsIBMDATA&MV_ROW 
=&evntcntNc=1055201667410"
end mouseup
when i click on the button nothing happens. can anyone help?
if you want to open your browser with this address, write this:

on mouseup
  revgourl "http://...";
end mouseup
This will do exactly that.

See the index for revgourl.

If you want something else to happen, we might need a bit more info...

BTW, this is the LONGEST URL i have ever seen :-D
(...and i have seen lots of them...)
Christopher "Scott" Walters
IT Computer Operator
Regards

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Re: Hilited Text in a button

[Howard Bornstein]

>In the property inspector for a rectangular button (RR2.0.1, Windows XP), 
>the 'Colors & Patterns' section has a property called 'Hilited Text'. I 
>can't work out from the TD what property is being affected by this

I'm checking it on a Mac but I assume it's the same. There's a cool 
feature in the Property Inspector that, if you hold the cursor over the 
button for a moment, you'll see the property (as a tool tip) that the 
button will change. In this case it's "hilitecolor".

>From the TD:

"€ The hiliteColor of a button is used for the background of the button 
when it is highlighted. If the button is a menu, the hiliteColor is used 
to highlight the button, but not the active menu choice. The hiliteColor 
has no effect if the button is a tabbed button. The hiliteColor has no 
effect until the button is highlighted."

>In fact I can't work out how to change the button's 
>hilited text color from the PI at all.

Not sure what you mean by "hilited" text color, but to change the text 
color of the button, use the Text button.

>BTW, there's a property with no explanatory text below this in the same PI 
>which on my machine can be cleared but not set. Wonder what this is.

The tooltip reveals this to be the Border color/pattern. I'm not sure why 
this option is disabled (yes, it's disabled here also).

Regards,

Howard Bornstein

D E S I G N  E Q
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Re: URL

[Howard Bornstein]

>I am trying to make it to where when i push on a button it will go to a 
>website.


Try this:

On mouseup

revGoURL 
"HTTP://www.printers.ibm.com/pbin-oasis/rgw/IBM.RBK?HID_FORM_INST=12944.700
43659.144.30.11.154.455%25FDIBM%25FDHOME&HID_SHELL_SCRIPT=/pbin-oasis/rgw/I
BM.RBK&HID_EVENTSTR=onAnchor%25FD%25FDfmOC2%2Cthis.Create%28fmOC2%29&HID_NA
V_HIST=/pbin-oasis/rgw/IBM.RBK/IBM%3AHOME%2Cthis.Refresh%28%29&HID_DEFAULT_
TARGET=&HID_USER=UNKNOWN%25FD167177%25FD%25FD0&HID_USER_DATA=&HID_BROWSER=e
6&HID_BROWSER_CAP=BCAP010112101001021011010&HID_JAVA=2&HID_KEY=&HID_RECORDS
ET=dsIBMDATA&MV_ROW=&evntcntNc=1055201667410"

end mouseup

The command you want is revGoUrl

Regards,

Howard Bornstein

D E S I G N  E Q
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Re: Repeat request: Can anyone help with the 'printable area' problem

[Alex Rice]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 02:40  AM, Graham wrote:
I think all I need is something that when activated sets the 
printMargins to the selected printer's minimum rather than 72 points 
all round (which in fact is more than the minimum margins of any 
printer I've ever used). Of course having captured this info, one 
would still be free to alter the printMargins, or have the user alter 
them via a Page Setup dialog as usual.

What I really can't understand is why other people don't want this 
facility as much as I do. There are a million different kinds of 
applications out there, and I guess a good few of them don't have much 
paper output.
I agree it is much needed!  Until it is available maybe allow the user 
to adjust margins until there is no clipping?

However, I'm guessing it's a difficult feature to implement. Maybe not 
all printers offer up this information?

Alex Rice, Software Developer
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Re: substack behavior

[Klaus Major]

Hi Rand,

  Greetings to all, and many thanks for all of the helpful posts to 
this
list. I'm working on a fairly elaborate database (a dictionary research
tool), using RR 2.0. I want to be able to provide myself and my 
research
partner with reference materials, and the logical way to do this would 
seem
to be to have floating substacks that provide different kinds of 
information
in fields. But when I open a substack, I have to negotiate all of the 
open
stack, close stack, etc. stuff -- but what I really want is just a 
floating
window that provides information -- is there any way to suppress the
open-stack messages and that sort of stuff? It's easy enough to have a 
blank
open-stack handler in the sub-stack, e.g.,

on openstack

end openstack

but this seems kludgy and there may be all sorts of handlers going off 
that
I'm unaware of -- is there like a global setting for a stack that goes 
--
pretend this isn't a stack but just a popup window? Thanks.
on mouseup ## or whenever
   set the lockmessages to true
   ## this might be what you're after...
  palette stack "xyz"
  ## or toplevel or...
   ...
end mouseup
rand valentine
Hope that helps.

Regards

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Re: substack behavior

[Alex Rice]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 10:38  AM, rand valentine wrote:
I have to negotiate all of the open
stack, close stack, etc. stuff -- but what I really want is just a 
floating
window that provides information -- is there any way to suppress the
open-stack messages and that sort of stuff?
How about this?

lock messages
go stack "simpleInfoStack"
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standalone has plainly readable transcript

[Alex Rice]

Why do standalone apps built by Rev include the app's transcript code 
in plain text, including comments? Shouldn't the comments at least be 
stripped out as an optimization? Is there any way to obfuscate the 
transcript source code in standalones?

Thanks,

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Re: standalone has plainly readable transcript

[Klaus Major]

Hi Alex,

Why do standalone apps built by Rev include the app's transcript code 
in plain text,
 including comments? Shouldn't the comments at least be stripped out 
as an optimization?
No idea...

Is there any way to obfuscate the transcript source code in 
standalones?
Yep, just add a password to your stack before you build a standalone and
you cannot read the code anymore. But i don't know how "deep" this 
build-in
encryption is...

Hope that helps.

Thanks,

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Re: standalone has plainly readable transcript

[Alex Rice]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 03:13  PM, Klaus Major wrote:
Is there any way to obfuscate the transcript source code in 
standalones?
Yep, just add a password to your stack before you build a standalone 
and
you cannot read the code anymore. But i don't know how "deep" this 
build-in
encryption is...

Hope that helps.
Ah yes. Thanks! It looks like the encryption work well at obfuscating 
:-)

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Re: standalone has plainly readable transcript

[Emmanuel Companys]

Le mercredi, 11 juin 2003, à 23:13 Europe/Paris, Klaus Major a écrit :

Is there any way to obfuscate the transcript source code in 
standalones?
Yep, just add a password to your stack before you build a standalone 
and
you cannot read the code anymore. But i don't know how "deep" this 
build-in
encryption is...
I am missing something. When I open Revolution and then a standalone, 
the RR menubar disappears and I can't
even open the msg box. I even heard of a special app to make it 
possible to access to the script. If this is true I suppose that the 
guy able to do that would probably be able to hack a simple encryption 
or have some one else do it.

As for the comments, I agree. Although I suppose the optimisation 
woould be unrelevant.

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revCreateXMLTree problem

[Edwin Gore]

I am trying to play around with Amazon.com's web services stuff using RunRev, but I am 
running into a problem.

I can successfully ask for info on a product, using the script below, which returns 
XML from Amazon, but when I try to turn it into a tree, I get an script compile 
message, even though what I am using is basically cut and pasted from the documention, 
with a simple change of a variable name (I'm just using "it").

My script is:

on mouseup
  put 
"http://xml.amazon.com/onca/xml3?t=shinra-20dev-t=D30ZF2KL8XSF2Y&AsinSearch=B94VMS&type=heavy&f=xml";
 into theURL
  --all of the above is on one line in the original script
  get url theURL
  revCreateXMLTree(it,true,true,false)
end mouseup

The error message is I get is:

compiling at 3:20:20 PM
TypeExpression: missing ')' before factor
Object  Button 1
LinerevCreateXMLTree(it,true,true,false)
Hint

Needless to say, I am baffled. I know that I could brute force it and just parse 
through the XML text, but that would spoil the fun of using the new 2.0 XML features...
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Re: Repeat request: Can anyone help with the 'printable area' problem

[Scott Raney]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 02:40  AM, Graham wrote:

> I think all I need is something that when activated sets the 
> printMargins to the selected printer's minimum rather than 72 points 
> all round (which in fact is more than the minimum margins of any 
> printer I've ever used). Of course having captured this info, one 
> would still be free to alter the printMargins, or have the user alter 
> them via a Page Setup dialog as usual.
>
> What I really can't understand is why other people don't want this 
> facility as much as I do. There are a million different kinds of 
> applications out there, and I guess a good few of them don't have much 
> paper output.

Probably more like a good half, or more.  More importantly, only a
good 1% or so of those that do print care about the printable paper
size.  In my 25 years of computer experience *I* have never cared
about this, and that includes 10 years as an academic doing posters
and such with drawing packages that split documents across multiple
pages.  Since you've always got to cut and paste in these cases
anyway, what do I care if I've got to trim off 1/2 an inch or whether
the printer only requires I trim off 1/8 of an inch?  Now if there
were actually printers that print to the edge of the paper, it might
be nice to know this so that you can save the user the trouble of
assuming they'll have to cut and paste to make a big page out of a
bunch of small ones.  But AFAIK there aren't any such printers...

I've added this to the engine feature request list, but note that this
is only the first request for this I've seen in 11 years of engine
development, so I'm thinking your expectations in this area may need
some adjustment because it seems you really may be the only person who
cares about this ;-)
  Regards,
Scott

PS: note that the printMargins don't apply when using "print..into
rect", which is what all non-trivial apps are going to use anyway.  So
changing the behavior of printMargins wouldn't solve your problem
anyway.  A new property would be required instead.


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Re: revCreateXMLTree problem

[Alex Rice]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 06:33  PM, Edwin Gore wrote:
The error message is I get is:

compiling at 3:20:20 PM
TypeExpression: missing ')' before factor
Object  Button 1
LinerevCreateXMLTree(it,true,true,false)
Hint
Needless to say, I am baffled. I know that I could brute force it and 
just parse through the XML text, but that would spoil the fun of using 
the new 2.0 XML features...
Did you verify that the it variable really contains valid XML?

In my experience the revCreateXML* functions will give strange error 
messages if the parameters are not valid. Possibly because they are 
calling a library function not a transcript function handler?

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Re: standalone has plainly readable transcript

[Alex Rice]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 03:32  PM, Emmanuel Companys wrote:
I am missing something. When I open Revolution and then a standalone, 
the RR menubar disappears and I can't
even open the msg box. I even heard of a special app to make it 
possible to access to the script. If this is true I suppose that the 
guy able to do that would probably be able to hack a simple encryption 
or have some one else do it.

You can't open a standlone app in the Rev IDE because it's no longer a 
Rev stack: it's a binary executable! If you open the executable in a 
robust text editor* you can find the transcript code in plain text 
toward the middle of the binary content.

*like Emacs

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RE: Re: revCreateXMLTree problem

[Edwin Gore]

Yep - I first put it into the message box and checked it before moving on to trying to 
make a tree.

The thing is, the error that I am getting is NOT an execution error - it's a compile 
error - I get when I click "Apply" in the script editor, so the content of the 
variable would not be an issue in any case.

I tried commenting out the rest of the script thinking that maybe the problem was in 
another line, but I get the same compile error...

>- --- Original Message --- -
>From: Alex Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:02:38
>
>
>On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 06:33  PM, Edwin
>Gore wrote:
>>
>> The error message is I get is:
>>
>>   compiling at 3:20:20 PM
>> Type  Expression: missing ')' before factor
>> ObjectButton 1
>> Line  revCreateXMLTree(it,true,true,false)
>> Hint  
>>
>> Needless to say, I am baffled. I know that I
>could brute force it and 
>> just parse through the XML text, but that would
>spoil the fun of using 
>> the new 2.0 XML features...
>
>Did you verify that the it variable really contains
>valid XML?
>
>In my experience the revCreateXML* functions will
>give strange error 
>messages if the parameters are not valid. Possibly
>because they are 
>calling a library function not a transcript
>function handler?
>
>
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Re: standalone has plainly readable transcript

[Bryan Lund]

You've got to be kidding...

If the code for a standalone application is plainly readable...how is one supposed to 
release commercial software with RR?

That is -incredibly- disturbing.

-Bryan
 
On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 03:06PM, Alex Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>You can't open a standlone app in the Rev IDE because it's no longer a 
>Rev stack: it's a binary executable! If you open the executable in a 
>robust text editor* you can find the transcript code in plain text 
>toward the middle of the binary content.
>
>*like Emacs

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Re: Custom Cursors

[Mary Vivit]

If you are working on a PC, consider Jasc's Paint Shop Pro. Still under
$100US. It comes with some very nice tools.

Mary Vivit
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> sez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> >2.  Digs about developers not owning photoshop: some of us
> >are 'struggling artists' and
> >  photoshop is very expensive.  Of course if Meister
> >Kuijpers is feeling generous he
> >  is more than welcome to buy me a copy of Photoshop!
>Sympathy re: the high price of Photoshop. It may be relevant that Adobe
> sells a program called Photoshop Elements (basically a "junior" version of
> Photoshop) for under $100 US; if you're curious to know whether PsE might do what
> you need, Adobe's own website has a bunch of info on it, including a
> downloadable 2.6-MB PDF of "printable overview of features, innovations, and 
> benefits of
> Photoshop Elements 2.0".
>Hope this helps...
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sql joins and the revDataFromQuery function

[rand valentine]

 I am working on a database using Valentina and RunRev. I am just learning
sql and have discovered that sql joins will be key to a lot of my
development. So I constructed a join, which looks like the following:

SELECT BasicLexicon.Nishnaabemwin, BasicLexicon.PoS, Keys.Key, Keys.PoS,
Keys.SubKey, Keys.UniqueCode FROM BasicLexicon, Keys WHERE
BasicLexicon.UniqueCode = Keys.UniqueCode

 The details aren't important -- Basically, all this is doing is getting
information from _two_ different tables in a Valentina database, and
stitching them together. Here's my question -- Why does this work with the
following function call:

  put revDataFromQuery(,,1,myJoin,) into fld "dataset"

This does exactly what I want! What puzzles me is the fact that the
revDataFromQuery seems to require a single database ID:

revDataFromQuery([columnDelim],[rowDelim],databaseID,SQLQuery[,varsList])

So how can this join succeed, since it's looking up two distinct queries as
defined by the Database Query Builder, and I only passed it the index of one
(1)? Is this a bug soon to be corrected, or am I missing something? Thanks.

rand valentine 

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Re: revCreateXMLTree problem

[Edwin Gore]

I think I found the problem...I was using the function incorrectly, though exactly the 
way that it seemed to be documented.

By changed the line to :

  put revCreateXMLTree(it,false,true,false) into myTreeNum

 It seems to create the tree and return the number of tree - in this case 1. I don't 
really care about getting the number back, since I'm only working with the one tree, 
but still, it looks lie it created it.
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>From: "Edwin Gore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>Yep - I first put it into the message box and
>checked it before moving on to trying to make a
>tree.
>
>The thing is, the error that I am getting is NOT an
>execution error - it's a compile error - I get when
>I click "Apply" in the script editor, so the
>content of the variable would not be an issue in
>any case.
>
>I tried commenting out the rest of the script
>thinking that maybe the problem was in another
>line, but I get the same compile error...
>
>>- --- Original Message --- -
>>From: Alex Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:02:38
>>
>>
>>On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 06:33  PM, Edwin
>>Gore wrote:
>>>
>>> The error message is I get is:
>>>
>>>   compiling at 3:20:20 PM
>>> Type  Expression: missing ')' before factor
>>> ObjectButton 1
>>> Line  revCreateXMLTree(it,true,true,false)
>>> Hint  
>>>
>>> Needless to say, I am baffled. I know that I
>>could brute force it and 
>>> just parse through the XML text, but that would
>>spoil the fun of using 
>>> the new 2.0 XML features...
>>
>>Did you verify that the it variable really
>contains
>>valid XML?
>>
>>In my experience the revCreateXML* functions will
>>give strange error 
>>messages if the parameters are not valid. Possibly
>
>>because they are 
>>calling a library function not a transcript
>>function handler?
>>
>>
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Re: revCreateXMLTree problem

[Alex Rice]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 07:14  PM, Edwin Gore wrote:

Yep - I first put it into the message box and checked it before moving 
on to trying to make a tree.

The thing is, the error that I am getting is NOT an execution error - 
it's a compile error - I get when I click "Apply" in the script 
editor, so the content of the variable would not be an issue in any 
case.

I tried commenting out the rest of the script thinking that maybe the 
problem was in another line, but I get the same compile error...
OK! Maybe this is the problem. revCreateXMLTree() is a function so you 
have to get or put it. Try this

put revCreateXMLTree(it, "true", "true", "false") into tErr

Also don't forget the "answer" message box will change the it variable 
further confusing things :-)

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Re: standalone has plainly readable transcript

[Alex Rice]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 04:16  PM, Bryan Lund wrote:

You've got to be kidding...

If the code for a standalone application is plainly readable...how is 
one supposed to release commercial software with RR?

That is -incredibly- disturbing.
Don't worry it's not a problem. Thanks to the people who pointed out to 
me: Just set a password on the stack and the standalone will be 
encrypted & not readable.

AFAIK password can be set in the distribution builder, or from the 
message box.

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Re: revCreateXMLTree problem

[Alex Rice]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 07:28  PM, Edwin Gore wrote:

I think I found the problem...I was using the function incorrectly, 
though exactly the way that it seemed to be documented.
I think all functions are that way in the docs. The first code example 
is just the "signature" of the function, then usually after that there 
is n code example with some context.
 It seems to create the tree and return the number of tree - in this 
case 1. I don't really care about getting the number back, since I'm 
only working with the one tree, but still, it looks lie it created it.
TD says

"""
The revXMLCreateTree function returns a tree ID which can be used to 
refer to the tree in other XML library commands and functions. The tree 
ID is always an integer. (If the createTree is false, the function 
returns empty.)
"""

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Re: Repeat request: Can anyone help with the 'printable area'problem

[Richard Gaskin]

Scott Raney wrote:

> PS: note that the printMargins don't apply when using "print..into
> rect", which is what all non-trivial apps are going to use anyway.  So
> changing the behavior of printMargins wouldn't solve your problem
> anyway.  A new property would be required instead.

1. Doesn't "print..into rect" scale the output as the phrase implies?

2. What sort of new property are you proposing?

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Re: standalone has plainly readable transcript

[Richard Gaskin]

Bryan Lund wrote:

> If the code for a standalone application is plainly readable...how is one
> supposed to release commercial software with RR?
> 
> That is -incredibly- disturbing.

Simple: password-protect the stack.


"The manual: it's a beautiful thing to waste."

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Re: menu builder

[Sarah]

Your script looks fine, so there are a few other possibilities:
Have you changed the text of the menu items? If your menu item is 
"About MyApp..." then it won't get caught in this switch.
Is there another handler in the same script that might have an error so 
that the complete script fails to compile?
Do you have any front scripts that might be trapping the menuPick?

To test, I would add a new line to your handler as follows:
on menuPick pWhich
  put pWhich
  switch pWhich
  
This will allow you to check that your handler is being called and give 
you the exact parameter that is being passed to it.

Cheers,
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On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 11:44  pm, muaadh salih wrote:

On going through the  Tutorials  and on practicing menu building it 
seems that either I have not seeen somthing imprtamt or there might be 
a bug.
Problem : Script of help menu:

on menuPick pWhich
  switch pWhich
  case "Help"
Answer " This is a test"
    break
  case "About"
Answer " I have written this"
    break
  end switch
end menuPick
--
does not seem to work; clicking on ether submenu produce nothing.

I have checked that every thing is for "Revolution 2.01 .education"

any idea
help
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Re: substack behavior

[Richard Gaskin]

rand valentine wrote:

> Greetings to all, and many thanks for all of the helpful posts to this
> list. I'm working on a fairly elaborate database (a dictionary research
> tool), using RR 2.0. I want to be able to provide myself and my research
> partner with reference materials, and the logical way to do this would seem
> to be to have floating substacks that provide different kinds of information
> in fields. But when I open a substack, I have to negotiate all of the open
> stack, close stack, etc. stuff -- but what I really want is just a floating
> window that provides information -- is there any way to suppress the
> open-stack messages and that sort of stuff?

If your mainstack has just one card or a common shared group, just move its
system messages handlers to that object to prevent substacks from triggering
them.

The mainstack scrit is a great place for commonly-use handlers but not the
best place for handlers to be used only by the mainstack.

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revStack property

[Richard Gaskin]

I'm working with a client this afternoon who was experiencing the Mysterious
Stack Resizing Issue.  We discovered a custom prop there named "revStack",
and removing it appeared to correct the issue.

1: Why is that property there?

2: Why does it affect a stack's size?

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Re: 2 colors for 2 line btn labels?

[erik hansen]

--- Dar Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 08:44 PM, erik
> hansen wrote:
> 
> >>> is there a way to set different colors for
> >>> different lines in the label on a btn?
> >>
> >> No. (Sorry.) You can set only the entire
> >> button's colors at a time.
> >
> > Mr. Miscdas says yes!
> 
> I'd be pleased to learn this trick.

a hint: it is a virtual trick.

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Re: standalone has plainly readable transcript

[Alex Rice]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 04:47  PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

"The manual: it's a beautiful thing to waste."
Actually I should have spent less time reading the 350 hits for 
"standalone" in the Document Search plugin, and more time puzzling 
about the Distribution Builder "Encrypt with password" checkbox button.

My initial reaction to that checkbox was: the user will be prompted for 
a password when they run the standalone. I was so sure about that I 
never even tried it.

The password property TD entry talks about encryption, but it focuses 
on what you can and can't do within the Rev IDE. It doesn't say 
anything about standalone apps, other than you can set it in the 
Distribution Builder. I should have made the connection because I know 
now that a Rev standalone app is basically a "stack player" packaged as 
a single file with the Mainstack.

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Re: standalone has plainly readable transcript

[Dar Scott]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 06:01 PM, Alex Rice wrote:

My initial reaction to that checkbox was: the user will be prompted 
for a password when they run the standalone. I was so sure about that 
I never even tried it.
What checkbox?  I think I must be blind.

The password property TD entry talks about encryption, but it focuses 
on what you can and can't do within the Rev IDE. It doesn't say 
anything about standalone apps, other than you can set it in the 
Distribution Builder. I should have made the connection because I know 
now that a Rev standalone app is basically a "stack player" packaged 
as a single file with the Mainstack.
Does the Distribution Builder just make up the password for this?

Dar Scott

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RE: What Happened to the Menus?

[Gardner, Joseph A]

Jan Schenkel said:

> Try this in the message box (Ctrl-M to show it) :
> set the topLeft of stack "revMenubar" to "10,10"

Bingo! Thanks, Jan!

joe.
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many spaces after a script?

[erik hansen]

does it signify anything when you get
many spaces after a script? they hilite and
delete.

thanks, Erik

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Re: filepaths for multiple builds

[Sannyasin Sivakatirswami]

On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 03:26  PM, Edward Cawley wrote:

Hi all
I'm trying to build standalones for mac and windows and I have a 
problem.
I am developing in MacOSX.
I have a large number of images which I access by filepaths. I don't 
need to specify the hard drive in MacOSX just the file name on the 
hard drive (/river?).but when I access them in OS8&9 I need to 
indicate the hard drive name (ie /Macinosh/...as well. I'm not 
sure what I need to do for Windows? I can see that I could use an if 
then to change the filepaths to fit the operating systems. But how can 
I find out the operating systems for the scripts?

Ed, are the images are being distributed with your stack? and do you 
have control over their location on the CD or in the distribution 
directory? i.e if your directory structure can look something this.

Folder: Fantastic Image Archive/
file: TheGreatestPix.rev
 sub-folder:  images/   
files: lots of images

the you have a ready made solution in this syntax

"put the effective filename of this stack into gPath_Where_I_Live"

and get the path for the sub directories by parsing that string. Can 
give you the full script if you need it.

then the issue of determining platform-OS disappears.

hth






A second question is an odd behavior I see when I change the image by 
changing the source filename. Sometimes there is a blank area which 
isn't drawn, not the whole image but just the bottom 10%. If I go to 
another card and return the image is complete. It isn't a empty field 
or any other object. No big deal, but it is a puzzle. Any ideas?
Thanks
Ed

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[ANN] Rev Script Documentation Plugin

[Monte Goulding]

Hi All

Rev Script Documentation provides a way for Revolution scripters to
incorporate javadoc script comments into object scripts and view them in a
graphical format.

To download the plugin: http://www.sweattechnologies.com/rev/
or use RevNet

Regards

Monte Goulding
B.App.Sc. (Hons.)

Executive Director
Sweat Technologies

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mobile (International): +61 421 138 274
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Using keyboard to control a player

[Scott Slaugh]

Here's a problem I've been running into.  I create a new stack, and put on a 
player with a QuickTime movie.  I then open the card script, and enter this:
on rawKeyDown key
if key=32 then
start player 1
else
pass rawKeyDown
end if
Problem is, this doesn't start the player when I hit the space bar.  
However, if I change the 32 to 62593, which is the return key, the script 
works fine.  Why doesn't space bar work?

Scott Slaugh

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invisible text flashing pointer

[Emmanuel Companys]

In some unlocked flds the flashing vertical line showing the insertion 
point, when you click with the I cursor, does not show up any more; and 
I can't get it back. The fld works normally: I can type and select, but 
I miss the flashing line showing  the user in which fld he is supposed 
to type.

This has already happend using 1.1.1 and 2.0, as well. The only fix I 
have found is to create a new fld, and hope it will not do the same 
sooner or later.

Any idea of what it's going on?

Manuel

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Re: standalone has plainly readable transcript

[Alex Rice]

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 06:11  PM, Dar Scott wrote:
What checkbox?  I think I must be blind.
Or you're using a different distribution builder :-) It's on the Stacks 
tab.

Does the Distribution Builder just make up the password for this?
It has a field for you to type a password.

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Custom cursors/PhotoShop

[Ken Apthorpe]

I can't contribute re RunRev, but I can re graphics apps, so here is a small
payback for help I've received. For struggling artists, check out Deneba's
Canvas (Mac or Windows versions available).  Very cheap (in US).

http://www.deneba.com
http://www.thecanvascommunity.com/

Canvas combines both vector and bitmap graphics, for web, pre-press (inc
CMYK/Pantone etc etc), and general graphics work, all in the one program,
seamlessly.  It does all of what PhotoShop, Illustrator etc do, plus some
things they can't do, and IMHO much more easily and quickly.
Imports/exports to a large number of other formats (inc. pdf format).  A
Canvas Lite is available if you find the full version too expensive.  I have
PhotoShop etc, but I gave up using them on a regular basis.  Canvas is sooo
much easier.

kaa

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Re: invisible text flashing pointer

[Edwin Gore]

If any other object (including an empty portion of a background) overlays
the field, you won't see the insertion point.

This gave me fits when I started using RunREv...

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Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:28 PM
Subject: invisible text flashing pointer


> In some unlocked flds the flashing vertical line showing the insertion
> point, when you click with the I cursor, does not show up any more; and
> I can't get it back. The fld works normally: I can type and select, but
> I miss the flashing line showing  the user in which fld he is supposed
> to type.
>
> This has already happend using 1.1.1 and 2.0, as well. The only fix I
> have found is to create a new fld, and hope it will not do the same
> sooner or later.
>
> Any idea of what it's going on?
>
> Manuel
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Re: invisible text flashing pointer

[Emmanuel Companys]

Le jeudi, 12 juin 2003, à 06:43 Europe/Paris, Edwin Gore a écrit :

If any other object (including an empty portion of a background) 
overlays
the field, you won't see the insertion point.

This gave me fits when I started using RunREv...
Bingo!

Thank you, Edwin. This was drivng me crazy!

Manuel

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Re: sql joins and the revDataFromQuery function

[Jan Schenkel]

--- rand valentine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I am working on a database using Valentina and
> RunRev. I am just learning
> sql and have discovered that sql joins will be key
> to a lot of my
> development. So I constructed a join, which looks
> like the following:
> 
> SELECT BasicLexicon.Nishnaabemwin, BasicLexicon.PoS,
> Keys.Key, Keys.PoS,
> Keys.SubKey, Keys.UniqueCode FROM BasicLexicon, Keys
> WHERE
> BasicLexicon.UniqueCode = Keys.UniqueCode
> 
>  The details aren't important -- Basically, all this
> is doing is getting
> information from _two_ different tables in a
> Valentina database, and
> stitching them together. Here's my question -- Why
> does this work with the
> following function call:
> 
>   put revDataFromQuery(,,1,myJoin,) into fld
> "dataset"
> 
> This does exactly what I want! What puzzles me is
> the fact that the
> revDataFromQuery seems to require a single database
> ID:
> 
>
revDataFromQuery([columnDelim],[rowDelim],databaseID,SQLQuery[,varsList])
> 
> So how can this join succeed, since it's looking up
> two distinct queries as
> defined by the Database Query Builder, and I only
> passed it the index of one
> (1)? Is this a bug soon to be corrected, or am I
> missing something? Thanks.
> 
> rand valentine 
> 

Hi Rand,

The reason why Valentina can figure it out, is that
one database can contain multiple tables. In fact, if
the tables were in separate databases, Valentina
couldn't possibly link these two tables. (*)

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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tables into the other database as a temporary table,
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Re: Using keyboard to control a player

[Sarah]

rawKeyDown (or up) doesn't report the ASCII code for the key pressed, 
it reports some other code. You have worked out that the code for space 
is 62593. You just need to test for any keys you need to trap so you 
can find their codes.

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On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 01:17  pm, Scott Slaugh wrote:

Here's a problem I've been running into.  I create a new stack, and 
put on a player with a QuickTime movie.  I then open the card script, 
and enter this:
on rawKeyDown key
if key=32 then
start player 1
else
pass rawKeyDown
end if
Problem is, this doesn't start the player when I hit the space bar.  
However, if I change the 32 to 62593, which is the return key, the 
script works fine.  Why doesn't space bar work?

Scott Slaugh


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Re: Is "revShowPrintDialog" Working Yet?

[Sarah]

Hi Joe,

I haven't had any trouble with this command but as I use Macs, I was 
waiting to see if any Windows guru had any advice for you. Since no-one 
else has jumped in, I'll give it a go :-)

revShowPrintDialog only works if it is a handler WITH either 
revPrintText or revPrintField. It actually just set the flags so that 
these commands open the print dialogs when they run later in the 
handler.
If you want a generalized way of getting to the system's printer 
settings, use "answer printer".

Cheers,
Sarah
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On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 12:34  pm, Gardner, Joseph A wrote:

Hello folks. I'm just now trying out version 2.0.1 and was wondering 
if the above function is working yet? IIRC, this was broken in version 
1.1.1 and no print dialog box ever appeared no matter how the 
controlling button was set. I tried out my old stack in version 2.0.1, 
but I still don't get any dialog box. I checked the docs and the 
syntax seems to be unchanged from the earlier version. Has anyone had 
any success in getting this to work?

TIA,

joe.

p.s. Working in Win2K on a Dell GX260 if that matters.


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Re: Repeat request: Can anyone help with the 'printable area'problem

[Scott Rossi]

> Now if there
> were actually printers that print to the edge of the paper, it might
> be nice to know this so that you can save the user the trouble of
> assuming they'll have to cut and paste to make a big page out of a
> bunch of small ones.  But AFAIK there aren't any such printers...

Actually, there are plenty.  This is a fairly common feature (edge to edge
printing) in today's printers.

  http://www.photo.net/ezshop/product?product_id=4062

  http://www.outpost.com/product/3429593/

  http://www.printerstore.xerox.com/public/products/xerox_product_details
  .cfm/product/xerox_4400__B_printer.html

  http://www.profeel.com/i470d.htm


Also, as an alternate (OT) opinion, there are plenty of PostScript printers
in use and being sold, contrary to what you might think.  Any designer doing
high quality print work will be using a PostScript enabled printer, or
utilize a software RIP for better output.  Not to mention the fact that
virtually all imagesetters rely on PostScript for outputting separations and
printing plates.

Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Custom Cursors

[Ken Norris]

> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:18:22 +0200
> Subject: Re: Custom Cursors
> From: Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> A Boing is very expensive, too...
> But if you try to make a living with an airline... ;-)
---
Boing? Oh, you mean Boeing ;-)   I'm from the Seattle area, so...

Anyway, I'd rather have one of these:


BTW, PhotoShop LE 5.0 came with my Wacom tablet, and I rarely need any more
than that for photo stuff, but I'd really like Illustrator.

Also, has anyone got a good large cursor for those with some visual
impairments?

Ken N.

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