Re: RunRev and sockets.
Keith- Tuesday, March 22, 2005, 4:35:53 PM, you wrote: KH Did you have hassles with MSAccess handling dead tcpip connections? Dead in what way? I can certainly catch sockets that aren't open. Timeouts may be a problem, but this hasn't come up for me yet. I'm using Access as a client for a runrev server app, and timeouts shouldn't happen unless the server disappears after a client request and before the server response. Sockets are a pain to use in basic, though. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac / ISO XML - dumb question
Op 19-mrt-05 om 16:25 heeft jbv het volgende geschreven: Hi all, I'm working on a website project using Rev cgi in which data will be sold online and available as xml files to be downloaded by customers. It seems that xml files suffer the same problem as plain text files : according to the client platform to which they'll be downloaded, end users need to have the choice between a Mac or ISO version... Or is there a way to make xml files all-platforms compatible ? You are talking about upper ASCII chars, because with 'normal' chars you wouldn't notice the difference between Mac or ISO. Many of these upper ASCII chars can be typed as euml; or #123; (the latter form is preferred). XML in RunRev does that automatically, or it chokes on these upper ASCII chars. Upper ASCII chars in XML in RunRev is not completely bug-free. It handles 'ë' nicely, but can't handle 'ä' for example. Terry Though it's not directly relevant to the practical issue of this thread, I happened to be using the transcript function mactoiso() yesterday and discovered that, (contrary to what it says in my version of the docs), it is not only character codes 127 that are affected by that function. in mactoiso the remapping affects many control characters in the range 1-21. I used the following handler to investigate. on mouseup repeat with i = 1 to 31 put i into item i of startcodes end repeat repeat for each item i in startcodes put numtochar(i) comma after startchars end repeat delete last char of startchars put mactoiso(startchars) into endchars repeat with i = 1 to 31 put item i of startcodes = \ chartonum(item i of endchars) into line i of output end repeat put output end mouseup Of these, the codes that come through unscathed are 8,9,10,13 and 22-31 all the others end up as high ascii codes. What alerted me to this was using mactoiso on a string containing VT as a stand-in line-delimiter. This got changed to char 188 - the 1/4 fraction in iso. This surprised me. I think the reason must be because these character positions have historically been used by specialist mac fonts for various mathematical and icelandic characters. I now know to substitute any VT characters *before* passing the string through mactoiso. No doubt the same caution applies to isotomac(). Esoteric? Yes, but definitely worth knowing if you are in the habit of using VT this way. Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
Hi Jan, Can you send me your stack? I have the same problem of Valetia, to put option-menu buttons to each row of a specified column in a scrolling list field. Thanks Paul ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Insertion-point marker disappearence - help
I have met with a problem, to which I find no explication in the rev documentation. Usually an unlocked text field, when selected, will have a blinking insertion-point cursor. This functions in my mainstack. But a textfield in the substack does have active insertion-point (where keyboard text gets inserted), but it doesnt show the blinking marker, although the properties set for the field are identical to those in the main stack, where the function is intact. I dont even find a keyword in the documentation to identify the little blinking marker (often referred to as a cursor.) How can I revive it ? And are there- by the way - procedures to change it (Eg coloring it, or bolding it?) Refer please to Oikos Homestation http://www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg, for further information Kresten Bjerg Mag.art. forhenværende lektor i psykologi, Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Insertion-point marker disappearence - help
I don't know if it's relevant, but I faced that problem on MacOS9 and I realized it was related to a memory problem : re-starting Rev usually sets everything back in order. Furthermore I had this problem in the IDE only, not in standalones... JB I have met with a problem, to which I find no explication in the rev documentation. Usually an unlocked text field, when selected, will have a blinking insertion-point cursor. This functions in my mainstack. But a textfield in the substack does have active insertion-point (where keyboard text gets inserted), but it doesnt show the blinking marker, although the properties set for the field are identical to those in the main stack, where the function is intact. I dont even find a keyword in the documentation to identify the little blinking marker (often referred to as a cursor.) How can I revive it ? And are there- by the way - procedures to change it (Eg coloring it, or bolding it?) Refer please to Oikos Homestation http://www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg, for further information Kresten Bjerg Mag.art. forhenværende lektor i psykologi, Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Insertion-point marker disappearence - help
Dag Kresten, I have met with a problem, to which I find no explication in the rev documentation. Usually an unlocked text field, when selected, will have a blinking insertion-point cursor. This functions in my mainstack. But a textfield in the substack does have active insertion-point (where keyboard text gets inserted), but it doesnt show the blinking marker, although the properties set for the field are identical to those in the main stack, where the function is intact. I dont even find a keyword in the documentation to identify the little blinking marker (often referred to as a cursor.) How can I revive it ? And are there- by the way - procedures to change it (Eg coloring it, or bolding it?) Quick guess: Does some other object overlap (even 1 pixel will do) your field? If yes, that might be the answer... Another solution(?) for me was, after i had the same problem and NO other objects were overlapping my field, to simply replace the field with a fresh and new one! Although that did NOT make sense, it worked for me... :-) Refer please to Oikos Homestation http://www.psy.ku.dk/bjerg, for further information Kresten Bjerg Mag.art. forhenværende lektor i psykologi, Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Insertion-point marker disappearence - help
Well I am in OS 9, but he problem is the same in a WIN standalone I saw somewhere about an idea of set lockcursor to true set cursor to watch Could this point to a solution, or is that en entirely other problem, this can solve -- Kresten ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac / ISO XML - dumb question
Terry, Thanks for the suggestion (replacing upper ASCII chars with their #xxx; form); I've already came to that conclusion. The XML files I need to generate on-the-fly with Rev cgi feature french content, and french language uses quite a few of those upper ascii chars (éèêëàâäîæôïöùüç)... The only thing I'm worried about is : this might be OK when opening the XML files in a browser, but what about other software (spreadsheet, word processor...) ? Will they accept #233; for é (for instance) ? Thanks, JB Hi all, I'm working on a website project using Rev cgi in which data will be sold online and available as xml files to be downloaded by customers. It seems that xml files suffer the same problem as plain text files : according to the client platform to which they'll be downloaded, end users need to have the choice between a Mac or ISO version... Or is there a way to make xml files all-platforms compatible ? You are talking about upper ASCII chars, because with 'normal' chars you wouldn't notice the difference between Mac or ISO. Many of these upper ASCII chars can be typed as euml; or #123; (the latter form is preferred). XML in RunRev does that automatically, or it chokes on these upper ASCII chars. Upper ASCII chars in XML in RunRev is not completely bug-free. It handles 'ë' nicely, but can't handle 'ä' for example. Terry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Multiple Line SQL for MySQL?
Does anyone know whether Rev supports multiple-line SQL command execution with MySQL? I have a Rev 2.5.1 project that is trying to create and populate a new database based on an existing template database. I have used phpMyAdmin to dump a SQL script to a text file from a template database containing the SQL commands to construct all the tables and data I require. However, I can't find a way of sending this script to MySQL using Rev? (I can read the file into a text container, but I can't feed this to the MySQL server using the revDB support commands and functions). If I use revExecuteSQL command (or equivalent function revdb_execute), I can send a single SQL command only. If I try to use this inside a repeat for each... loop to work through a text object that contains multiple commands, then I hit a problem with any commands that have been laid out across several physical lines (as you get from phpMyAdmin dumps!). I really don't want to have to parse the SQL dump statements myself and convert each long multi-line command into a long single-line command just so I can use revExecuteSQL! Nor do I want to use a shell() command as this is a client-server application with the code running on a client and the MySQL server running on a server on the same local network. Any suggestions please?! Peter -- Peter Reid Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the case of the misterious resizestack error
Hi Xavier, Do you pass the resizeStack message? And is there a stack along the messagepath that doesn´t have a resizeStack handler? That is the only way I could reproduce it here. Cheers, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: # POSSIBLY SPAM #::Re: the case of the misterious resizestack error
Hi Malte, I do pass the resizestack... As it should be ;) No other stack is opened so RunRev should be causing a problem up the path... But when you resize the stack and the resizestack does its job, it works fine... Only when you send the resizestack or call resizestack do I get this error... Still strange... Regards, Xavier On 23.03.2005 13:23:20 use-revolution-bounces wrote: Hi Xavier, Do you pass the resizeStack message? And is there a stack along the messagepath that doesn´t have a resizeStack handler? That is the only way I could reproduce it here. Cheers, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
save standalone problem
Dear group, I'm working with Rev 2.5 on a G4 notebook under Mac OS 10.3.2. I've built two stacks, A and B, which differ only in terms of the images imported on the cards. It is possible to save these stacks as standalones. However, every time I try to save a third stack C whose contents equal A plus B, I'm told There was an error while saving the standalone application. I've checked my archive of list messages and tried the suggestions given in the past in these cases, notably switching from Search for required inclusions... to Select inclusions for standalone application. I am also sure that the path name contains no weird characters. Furthermore, there is no password protection involved. I would dearly love to know what is happening. Could it be that something got messed up when I combined the stacks? I used a very basic script for a button in stack A the script of which was: repeat x go to the first cd of stack B cut this cd go to the last cd of stack A paste end repeat After running the script I added one final card (the one corresponding to the last cd of stack B) manually to stack A. The new stack works as it should but whatever I try I can't save it as a standalone. Any help appreciated. Fritz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OSX Screensaver in Revolution
please man, tell me how could you tap into the screensaver framework : Sorry, Andre. I conveniently avoided that entire issue! -- Regards, Howard Bornstein --- www.designeq.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Handler: error in statement
code: on mouseUp go to card 5 end mouseUp Error: executing at 8:24:58 AM TypeHandler: error in statement Object Label Field Linego to card 5 HintmouseUp Dear Rev Programmers, Whats wrong here, I have looked at it till I see it in my sleep. Paul Salyers PS1 - Senior Rep. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Toast and Butter in Rev
Ok, so far I have been able to get Revolution to make toast and it is really good toast. But I want butter on it and can't seem to figure out how to get the butter on the toast. So I guess Jelly/ Jam is going to be out of the question then. 2c Tom Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] 412-831-3094 220 Drake Road Bethel Park, PA 15102 *)) = Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - a Cigar in one hand - a large steak in the other - your body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming - WOO HOO! What a Ride! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how do you pulldown a menu?
X, Did you try send mouseUp/down? T On Mar 23, 2005, at 1:13 AM, MisterX wrote: RunRev is great and we have virtually control of everything. But one... How do you pull down a menu using a script? I tried click at the loc of mymenu but it didn't work! The click actually when to the control below! Never a dull moment! thanks for any clues (other than faking a menu) cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: # POSSIBLY SPAM #::RE: var chk'r ?? Hold the phone
You don't 'have to' wear a parachute when jumping out of a plane, but it is a good idea. I too was stuck by this at one time... Tom On Mar 23, 2005, at 2:50 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote: I would do a quick script for something and find that I'd always get errors if I didn't declare all variables, including locals!!! The docs say you don't *have* to declare locals Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Toast and Butter in Rev
Hi Thomas, Ok, so far I have been able to get Revolution to make toast and it is really good toast. But I want butter on it and can't seem to figure out how to get the butter on the toast. So I guess Jelly/ Jam is going to be out of the question then. i hope i won't get sued, but on the ERC in Malta, Kevin Miller told me that ANY kind of spread is definitvely on schedule for v. 2.6! Hope that helps... 2c No thanks, this info is free :-) Tom Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] 412-831-3094 220 Drake Road Bethel Park, PA 15102 *)) = Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - a Cigar in one hand - a large steak in the other - your body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming - WOO HOO! What a Ride! Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how do you pulldown a menu?
Of course. This results in handler not found... Which is logical... On 23.03.2005 15:47:20 use-revolution-bounces wrote: X, Did you try send mouseUp/down? T On Mar 23, 2005, at 1:13 AM, MisterX wrote: RunRev is great and we have virtually control of everything. But one... How do you pull down a menu using a script? I tried click at the loc of mymenu but it didn't work! The click actually when to the control below! Never a dull moment! thanks for any clues (other than faking a menu) cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Is this possible...
If doing it this way - it would not really need to be crafted as an external. You could create a standalone in RunRev, then store the file that contains that standalone in a compressed custom property in a stack that you put on your clients computer. You would program the stack so that when it opens, it writes that standalone into a file with a .exe extension. Then, the stack would launch the standalone. Then, the stack would use the quit command, to close itself and the engine that is running it. Next, the standalone, upon starting up, would check to see if a previous version of the standalone is in the same folder - if it is, it would delete that file. Next, the new standalone would have to reset any shortcuts that point to the old standalone. Various modifications could be done, depending on the situation, but I bet such an approach would work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:00 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Is this possible... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hmm... you could try using the script to somehow launch an external program and then shut down the running program in order to allow the external program to replace then relaunch it. That might be a way to do it, if you can figure out how to launch an external program without pausing the script (such that the first program can quit and leave the other program running). On a Mac you can do this with AppleScript; on a Windows box, you would need to use the start command in a shell() command. On Mar 22, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Dan Friedman wrote: Got a question... Is it possible to update the Rev engine in a standalone without doing a reinstall. Let me explain: I have a stack that I have made into a standalone. The standalone, when launched, opens other stacks that contain the workings of my application. Now, whenever I make changes to my application, I can update the other stack files without having to have my clients reinstall. In fact, I do this via the web. I have a Check for Updates in my Help menu that can check my web site for updates and download newer versions automatically. Now that the Rev Engine has been changed, I need to update the standalone. Is there any way to do this in script? Or, do I have to have my clients manually download the new engine (the standalone)? I don't think you can write over a running application... Or can you? Any thoughts or insight would be appreciated. -Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCQGs/7aqtWrR9cZoRAq+zAKCA09qxRknb3+aQjg+YIrFG7vyn/ACgh7HL 9sAxbTXH9hMmAed0duJHEN4= =d1Vr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Toast and Butter in Rev
What does Kevin know? I tested the script this morning at breakfast... Add butter to toast -- Works fine here! Add confiture to toast -- Works fine too ;)) (Local declarations and type of confiture not included - strawberry by default) On 23.03.2005 15:51:11 use-revolution-bounces wrote: Hi Thomas, Ok, so far I have been able to get Revolution to make toast and it is really good toast. But I want butter on it and can't seem to figure out how to get the butter on the toast. So I guess Jelly/ Jam is going to be out of the question then. i hope i won't get sued, but on the ERC in Malta, Kevin Miller told me that ANY kind of spread is definitvely on schedule for v. 2.6! Hope that helps... 2c No thanks, this info is free :-) Tom Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] 412-831-3094 220 Drake Road Bethel Park, PA 15102 *)) = Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - a Cigar in one hand - a large steak in the other - your body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming - WOO HOO! What a Ride! Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Handler: error in statement
Other than the fact it is 8:24 in the morning I tried this a dozen ways and it works here for me. I tried locking the label field and disabling it and adding spaces to the go to line etc. and can't reproduce it. maybe upload the stack to you user area and then we can see the 'live' code tom On Mar 23, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Paul Salyers wrote: code: on mouseUp go to card 5 end mouseUp Error: executing at 8:24:58 AM TypeHandler: error in statement Object Label Field Linego to card 5 HintmouseUp Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Toast and Butter in Rev
So that new low fat spread may work then. This is indeed good news. I have been gaining a few inches around the waist and probably should use low fat. Thanks Klaus, T On Mar 23, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Klaus Major wrote: Hi Thomas, Ok, so far I have been able to get Revolution to make toast and it is really good toast. But I want butter on it and can't seem to figure out how to get the butter on the toast. So I guess Jelly/ Jam is going to be out of the question then. i hope i won't get sued, but on the ERC in Malta, Kevin Miller told me that ANY kind of spread is definitvely on schedule for v. 2.6! Hope that helps... 2c No thanks, this info is free :-) Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how do you pulldown a menu?
I thought so. I remember trying to figure this out before and do not remember any solutions. Hopefully someone else here has. This is a great concept for teaching and having a mouse selecting a menu automatically is what I was looking for. Tom On Mar 23, 2005, at 9:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course. This results in handler not found... Which is logical... Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] 412-831-3094 220 Drake Road Bethel Park, PA 15102 *)) = Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - a Cigar in one hand - a large steak in the other - your body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming - WOO HOO! What a Ride! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software
How many RunRev users are there? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Trendler Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:50 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software Mark Talluto wrote: The VB porter appears to be generating new customers for RB. From this bit one can estimate that roughly 12-13% of their entire user base has come over from the VB camp. I am sure it has been written somewhere what their user size is. From their PR dept 15/2/05 - REALbasic supports a community of over fifty thousand developers worldwide. Pat ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Toast and Butter in Rev
I think Strawberry should always be the default. Maybe Rev can implement it as default in the next release T On Mar 23, 2005, at 9:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Local declarations and type of confiture not included - strawberry by default) Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Toast and Butter in Rev
I think Strawberry should always be the default. Maybe Rev can implement it as default in the next release T On Mar 23, 2005, at 9:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Local declarations and type of confiture not included - strawberry by default) Thomas J. McGrath III Ha! Slackers. My Rev 2.5.1 application has an option menu with Stout, Pilsner, other as choices. Will be giving a demo at EuroRevCon 2006 sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Toast and Butter in Rev
That'll be 1 big Dragon Stout or Anchor Steam for me please ;)) Or a cherry Gueuze Lambic as flows by default in my messaging systems ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sims Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 16:15 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Toast and Butter in Rev I think Strawberry should always be the default. Maybe Rev can implement it as default in the next release T On Mar 23, 2005, at 9:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Local declarations and type of confiture not included - strawberry by default) Thomas J. McGrath III Ha! Slackers. My Rev 2.5.1 application has an option menu with Stout, Pilsner, other as choices. Will be giving a demo at EuroRevCon 2006 sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how do you pulldown a menu?
Hi Xavier, I'm not sure what you're trying to do here, but if you simply want to simulate someone clicking a menu item, I didn't have any trouble making it work. I created a simple stack and a basic menu. I added a button to the stack with this script: on mouseUp click at the loc of btn file wait 30 click at 16,48 end mouseUp This causes the File menu to select and then after 1/2 second, the Open item of the File menu selects. The menupick handler in the File menu gets an Open as its parameter. Unfortunately, this won't work on a Mac in the way Mac users would expect. Instead, it still drops down the (hidden) menu item within the stack itself, rather than selecting the menu in the Mac's menu bar. If this isn't what you were trying to do, maybe you could explain it again. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:13:10 +0100, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RunRev is great and we have virtually control of everything. But one... How do you pull down a menu using a script? I tried click at the loc of mymenu but it didn't work! The click actually when to the control below! Never a dull moment! thanks for any clues (other than faking a menu) cheers Xavier -- Regards, Howard Bornstein --- www.designeq.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Finder or feature buster?
Strange situation again... I have a rather large script library with over a thousand scripts. So I thought I'd use the rev search... First, it finds the card but not the object containing the text! I did click field text. Second, there is no way to find something and go to that card! If I click on an object, it edits the script of the object! Which is not the object containing the text I searched! Am i stupid or someone didn't forgot the main purpose of the find stack? ;) Any bugzilla(s) I should vote for? I guess im rolling a nitrous kit for that too? cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software
And yet... I am here because I did something for work in VBA for MS Word. It was just too clunky for me. I searched online for hypercard for windows because I remembered using hypercard like 12 years ago, and with enough follow-up searching I came upon RunRev. Getting transferees from experienced VB users might not be so easy - but getting them from folks experimenting with VB, or any other language, could be a reasonable avenue. 'course - I couldn't say just how to go about reaching those who are experimenting with other languages - but there must be a way. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 7:58 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software No doubt the *number* of VB refugees hanging out in RB-Land is an important number and would be even moreso to Rev which has, I suspect, *substantially* fewer users than RB. But a colleague who is a VB guru and HyperCard-knowledgeable and I spent about a month last year looking at what it would take to write a translator or even good conversion documentation to enable VBers to switch to Rev. It is, as we say in the software biz, a non-trivial task. The programming paradigms are just so completely different that it did not appear to us that we could achieve anything resembling even 50% automation of the process. RB, which after all uses the same basic (pun intended) language and development paradigm as VB, is in a much better position to capture those refugees than RR is. I have my own theories about the best audiences for RR to pursue, and I won't burden the list with them because I don't get to vote anyway, but those abandoning VB isn't on my list. dan On Mar 22, 2005, at 3:19 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: 6K - 6.5K of VB transferees would be an important number to Rev. I wonder how many of those users would have switched to Rev instead of RB had a translator like that been created for Rev. Is this feature important to me? Nope. I am just curious. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 No, in C the meaning of a statement depends only on declarations in the context and its location. Oh? #define myFunc(x, y) ((sizeof(x) sizeof(y)) ? ((x) + (y)) : ((x) * (y))) Now we have what appears to be a function, but which is dependent on the data types of the arguments. This is in plain, ordinary C. Place this in a header file, and given only the body of a C program which uses it, we get the same level of confusion. - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCQZA/7aqtWrR9cZoRAn3pAJwJC4Hy5yf3bBs/OL+mjQbcYOK9zQCaAxRN RuOaUwYjRP5TLu40VuuRWvg= =Gm4n -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: how do you pulldown a menu?
Howard! Good call the wait + the 2nd click did it! This is absolutely logical somehow too ;)) To make it work almost correctly, I had to add an offset to the button's loc or the button below gets the click! Another logical thing... lock messages get the loc of btn actionmenu add 3 to item 1 of it add 3 to item 2 of it click at the loc of btn actionmenu wait 30 click at the loc of btn actionmenu unlock messages but the menu drops and disappears again (unlike the human click...) I had to add the lock messages since it's a group of buttons that detects the click and sends it again later (to itself since the click goes to the bottom menu if you dont add the click offset!)... But this is for a popup menu (of which the pulldown flavor only is satisfactory) and which will probably not work in Macs for a number of illogical system reasons ;)). Given the logic of it all, im dumping it in favor of less headaches when the code breaks in 2 versions - forget about making user friendly and intuitive controls that prepare the work for the user ;( The only way possible at this stack is to simulate it with a field... A field which can't overlap stack boundaries like the menu can... ouch ouch ouch... Thanks very much, let's forget I asked! See my next announcement Cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Bornstein Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 16:32 To: MisterX Cc: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: how do you pulldown a menu? Hi Xavier, I'm not sure what you're trying to do here, but if you simply want to simulate someone clicking a menu item, I didn't have any trouble making it work. I created a simple stack and a basic menu. I added a button to the stack with this script: on mouseUp click at the loc of btn file wait 30 click at 16,48 end mouseUp This causes the File menu to select and then after 1/2 second, the Open item of the File menu selects. The menupick handler in the File menu gets an Open as its parameter. Unfortunately, this won't work on a Mac in the way Mac users would expect. Instead, it still drops down the (hidden) menu item within the stack itself, rather than selecting the menu in the Mac's menu bar. If this isn't what you were trying to do, maybe you could explain it again. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:13:10 +0100, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RunRev is great and we have virtually control of everything. But one... How do you pull down a menu using a script? I tried click at the loc of mymenu but it didn't work! The click actually when to the control below! Never a dull moment! thanks for any clues (other than faking a menu) cheers Xavier -- Regards, Howard Bornstein --- www.designeq.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [ANN]Tao of RunRev, RunRev Wishlist, and RunRev DocumentationProjects
It's funny to see a Christian abide to the Tao No offense... Im both involuntarily! Taolerance please! After reading Dar's mail, I was, ok, no prob sending this away! so here goes a bit of nothing I thought-fested on creatively! BTW, Nice job Dar! And best wishes for Mickey with the Tao of RunRev ;) Ying yang is everywhere even in software... The tao that cannot be descrided that is what you mean... (read the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu available anywhere on the net) And which I monk over... 20 years soon? ;) Lest it be known that a many phylosophies coexist in this revuniverse and friendly mailist cyber space. We all just want many applications we all reve le meme (a french twist for dreamcardians and wired.com matrix readers...), I'm sure you guessed the idea... or better grokked it! The Tao, in the chinese taoist phylosophy (for the unaware), is the image for the way. Image as an icon for it's many manifestations. The way of nature or the universe or IT=anything! Economics is another good word for Tao as far as I've researched both! Totally deep, undescribeable. For the tao of runrev's first words I'd spew I favor the object design top to bottom view. Mind to Paper to Screen to mouse/keyboard. An application is an application (business or user objective...) and designing the way to interface the data to the user (or biz.) is the primal key to solving the bottom to top approach that ensues the GUI design and data IO flow of it all... From then on, it's cover all messages of the user's controls in all cards of all stacks to the application's user () suiting whether engendered by the user or system... Present it to the user on a silver plater with a golden put so he, the primal user, can get IT... Givit a bit of humor and it's another good IT XOS agent. So is XOS, supposed to be the TAO of OOP... ;) Made in runrev pseudo scripting taoist poetry ways I can't describe either... get May the Tao script with you! if me is it then put me else put it Xavier -- http://Monsieurx.com = a bit of everything with nothing as the unity of the whole of someone... revastackchrisn revacardrishn LOL who was it that said this list has no humor? Please stand up! ;) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Handler: error in statement
On Mar 23, 2005, at 7:29 AM, Paul Salyers wrote: code: on mouseUp go to card 5 end mouseUp Error: executing at 8:24:58 AM TypeHandler: error in statement Object Label Field Linego to card 5 HintmouseUp Dear Rev Programmers, Whats wrong here, I have looked at it till I see it in my sleep. Might there be some non-printing characters imbedded somewhere in the handler? Does replacing the entire handler or script fix the problem? I remember occasionally running into a similar problem in HyperCard, and I think I may even have seen something similar in Rev where I just re-entered the statement and it worked. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: how do you pulldown a menu?
Hi MisterX... Did the popup command not work for you? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MisterX Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'How to use Revolution' Subject: RE: how do you pulldown a menu? Howard! Good call the wait + the 2nd click did it! This is absolutely logical somehow too ;)) To make it work almost correctly, I had to add an offset to the button's loc or the button below gets the click! Another logical thing... lock messages get the loc of btn actionmenu add 3 to item 1 of it add 3 to item 2 of it click at the loc of btn actionmenu wait 30 click at the loc of btn actionmenu unlock messages but the menu drops and disappears again (unlike the human click...) I had to add the lock messages since it's a group of buttons that detects the click and sends it again later (to itself since the click goes to the bottom menu if you dont add the click offset!)... But this is for a popup menu (of which the pulldown flavor only is satisfactory) and which will probably not work in Macs for a number of illogical system reasons ;)). Given the logic of it all, im dumping it in favor of less headaches when the code breaks in 2 versions - forget about making user friendly and intuitive controls that prepare the work for the user ;( The only way possible at this stack is to simulate it with a field... A field which can't overlap stack boundaries like the menu can... ouch ouch ouch... Thanks very much, let's forget I asked! See my next announcement Cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Bornstein Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 16:32 To: MisterX Cc: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: how do you pulldown a menu? Hi Xavier, I'm not sure what you're trying to do here, but if you simply want to simulate someone clicking a menu item, I didn't have any trouble making it work. I created a simple stack and a basic menu. I added a button to the stack with this script: on mouseUp click at the loc of btn file wait 30 click at 16,48 end mouseUp This causes the File menu to select and then after 1/2 second, the Open item of the File menu selects. The menupick handler in the File menu gets an Open as its parameter. Unfortunately, this won't work on a Mac in the way Mac users would expect. Instead, it still drops down the (hidden) menu item within the stack itself, rather than selecting the menu in the Mac's menu bar. If this isn't what you were trying to do, maybe you could explain it again. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:13:10 +0100, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RunRev is great and we have virtually control of everything. But one... How do you pull down a menu using a script? I tried click at the loc of mymenu but it didn't work! The click actually when to the control below! Never a dull moment! thanks for any clues (other than faking a menu) cheers Xavier -- Regards, Howard Bornstein --- www.designeq.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: how do you pulldown a menu?
I had to do this on an option menu: Because this requires clicking on the arrow part of the option menu, I did something like the following: Put (the right of button myOptionMenu) - 5 into X put (the top of button myOptionMenu) + 5 into Y click at X,Y This worked fine, but it should not be necessary. Just as the popup comman can popup a popup menu, there should be a command to popup an option menu. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Bornstein Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:32 AM To: MisterX Cc: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: how do you pulldown a menu? Hi Xavier, I'm not sure what you're trying to do here, but if you simply want to simulate someone clicking a menu item, I didn't have any trouble making it work. I created a simple stack and a basic menu. I added a button to the stack with this script: on mouseUp click at the loc of btn file wait 30 click at 16,48 end mouseUp This causes the File menu to select and then after 1/2 second, the Open item of the File menu selects. The menupick handler in the File menu gets an Open as its parameter. Unfortunately, this won't work on a Mac in the way Mac users would expect. Instead, it still drops down the (hidden) menu item within the stack itself, rather than selecting the menu in the Mac's menu bar. If this isn't what you were trying to do, maybe you could explain it again. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:13:10 +0100, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RunRev is great and we have virtually control of everything. But one... How do you pull down a menu using a script? I tried click at the loc of mymenu but it didn't work! The click actually when to the control below! Never a dull moment! thanks for any clues (other than faking a menu) cheers Xavier -- Regards, Howard Bornstein --- www.designeq.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multiple Line SQL for MySQL?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 No clue for MySQL, but I can tell you that it definitely supports multi-line SQL commands with PostgreSQL, while the docs tell you that it may not support them for all database types. MySQL may not support this (my understanding is that the database server will need to have support for it, as Rev itself does not parse the statements -- can anyone confirm?) On Mar 23, 2005, at 6:45 AM, Peter Reid wrote: Does anyone know whether Rev supports multiple-line SQL command execution with MySQL? I have a Rev 2.5.1 project that is trying to create and populate a new database based on an existing template database. I have used phpMyAdmin to dump a SQL script to a text file from a template database containing the SQL commands to construct all the tables and data I require. However, I can't find a way of sending this script to MySQL using Rev? (I can read the file into a text container, but I can't feed this to the MySQL server using the revDB support commands and functions). If I use revExecuteSQL command (or equivalent function revdb_execute), I can send a single SQL command only. If I try to use this inside a repeat for each... loop to work through a text object that contains multiple commands, then I hit a problem with any commands that have been laid out across several physical lines (as you get from phpMyAdmin dumps!). I really don't want to have to parse the SQL dump statements myself and convert each long multi-line command into a long single-line command just so I can use revExecuteSQL! Nor do I want to use a shell() command as this is a client-server application with the code running on a client and the MySQL server running on a server on the same local network. Any suggestions please?! Peter -- Peter Reid Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCQZQe7aqtWrR9cZoRAuOCAJ4wVQwT6Ma8BEjpZfM3o3XeMMib+QCdFdhD D+OIWPrYMbejAUG4ox4AXMc= =Q1j6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is this possible...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 That's basically what I was suggesting. When I mentioned an external program I was not referring to an external as in a DLL or bundle, but rather another program, separate from (external to) the program being updated. Sorry for any confusion there, I should have been more clear in my terminology. On Mar 23, 2005, at 9:50 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: If doing it this way - it would not really need to be crafted as an external. You could create a standalone in RunRev, then store the file that contains that standalone in a compressed custom property in a stack that you put on your clients computer. You would program the stack so that when it opens, it writes that standalone into a file with a .exe extension. Then, the stack would launch the standalone. Then, the stack would use the quit command, to close itself and the engine that is running it. Next, the standalone, upon starting up, would check to see if a previous version of the standalone is in the same folder - if it is, it would delete that file. Next, the new standalone would have to reset any shortcuts that point to the old standalone. Various modifications could be done, depending on the situation, but I bet such an approach would work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:00 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Is this possible... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hmm... you could try using the script to somehow launch an external program and then shut down the running program in order to allow the external program to replace then relaunch it. That might be a way to do it, if you can figure out how to launch an external program without pausing the script (such that the first program can quit and leave the other program running). On a Mac you can do this with AppleScript; on a Windows box, you would need to use the start command in a shell() command. On Mar 22, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Dan Friedman wrote: Got a question... Is it possible to update the Rev engine in a standalone without doing a reinstall. Let me explain: I have a stack that I have made into a standalone. The standalone, when launched, opens other stacks that contain the workings of my application. Now, whenever I make changes to my application, I can update the other stack files without having to have my clients reinstall. In fact, I do this via the web. I have a Check for Updates in my Help menu that can check my web site for updates and download newer versions automatically. Now that the Rev Engine has been changed, I need to update the standalone. Is there any way to do this in script? Or, do I have to have my clients manually download the new engine (the standalone)? I don't think you can write over a running application... Or can you? Any thoughts or insight would be appreciated. -Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCQGs/7aqtWrR9cZoRAq+zAKCA09qxRknb3+aQjg+YIrFG7vyn/ACgh7HL 9sAxbTXH9hMmAed0duJHEN4= =d1Vr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCQZbp7aqtWrR9cZoRAhUeAJ9/PMIUIsiyUFe6LmglGrWtgvdFhQCePR2y OrYBKvyNj4pWqZL/dzlbNDs= =TKfE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list
Re: Multiple Line SQL for MySQL?
Hi Frank
The following is a fragment of the SQL script produced by a
phpMyAdmin dump for a table called actionees:
--
-- Table structure for table `actionees`
--
DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `actionees`;
CREATE TABLE `actionees` (
`Actionee` varchar(20) default NULL,
`Fullname` varchar(50) default NULL,
`tOrder` smallint(3) default NULL,
`ActioneeID` mediumint(5) NOT NULL default '0',
PRIMARY KEY (`ActioneeID`),
KEY `tOrder` (`tOrder`)
) TYPE=MyISAM;
--
-- Dumping data for table `actionees`
--
INSERT INTO `actionees` VALUES ('User', 'User', 70, 1);
INSERT INTO `actionees` VALUES ('Other', 'Other', 500, 6);
INSERT INTO `actionees` VALUES ('RA', 'Risk Assessor', 10, 7);
If you copy and paste this into the SQL web page of phpMyAdmin, you
can execute it to rebuild the table in the same or a new empty
database. The only thing you need to add is a COMMIT command at
the end.
Similarly, if you open up a Terminal session for MySQL and type
commands in across a number of lines, it's not a problem - a command
doesn't end until MySQL sees the ; at the end.
So it seems that MySQL is not the problem, the problem is feeding
such a script to MySQL using the revDB library! At present the only
way I can see of sending this to MySQL from Rev is to unwrap
multi-line commands (such as the CREATE TABLE command above) so they
are on a single line terminated with ;. Of course this can be done
(tedious but straightforward) but is it really necessary, am I
missing something obvious?
Cheers
Peter
No clue for MySQL, but I can tell you that it definitely supports
multi-line SQL commands with PostgreSQL, while the docs tell you
that it may not support them for all database types. MySQL may not
support this (my understanding is that the database server will need
to have support for it, as Rev itself does not parse the statements
-- can anyone confirm?)
On Mar 23, 2005, at 6:45 AM, Peter Reid wrote:
Does anyone know whether Rev supports multiple-line SQL command
execution with MySQL?
I have a Rev 2.5.1 project that is trying to create and populate a
new database based on an existing template database. I have used
phpMyAdmin to dump a SQL script to a text file from a template
database containing the SQL commands to construct all the tables
and data I require. However, I can't find a way of sending this
script to MySQL using Rev? (I can read the file into a text
container, but I can't feed this to the MySQL server using the
revDB support commands and functions).
If I use revExecuteSQL command (or equivalent function
revdb_execute), I can send a single SQL command only. If I try to
use this inside a repeat for each... loop to work through a text
object that contains multiple commands, then I hit a problem with
any commands that have been laid out across several physical lines
(as you get from phpMyAdmin dumps!).
I really don't want to have to parse the SQL dump statements myself
and convert each long multi-line command into a long single-line
command just so I can use revExecuteSQL! Nor do I want to use a
shell() command as this is a client-server application with the
code running on a client and the MySQL server running on a server
on the same local network.
Any suggestions please?!
Peter
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Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
On Mar 22, 2005, at 6:10 PM, Mikey wrote: Well, I re-read your original post, and I don't see anything wrong with the way RR handles the two cases you cited - to review, if I have two handlers like the following: on mouseUp put myVar + 3 into myVar end mouseUp and on mouseUp add 3 to myVar end mouseUp I apologize for adding to the confusion. I was not responding to these examples in particular, but to the general statements about the paradigm that allows a name to have either of two meanings depending of usage in the context. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services and Software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how do you pulldown a menu?
Xavier asked: RunRev is great and we have virtually control of everything. But one... How do you pull down a menu using a script? I tried click at the loc of mymenu but it didn't work! Tom replied: I thought so. I remember trying to figure this out before and do not remember any solutions. Hopefully someone else here has. This is a great concept for teaching and having a mouse selecting a menu automatically is what I was looking for. Hmmm... It works on a PC... on mouseDown click at the loc of btn myPullDown end mouseDown /H ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
On Mar 23, 2005, at 8:50 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: No, in C the meaning of a statement depends only on declarations in the context and its location. Oh? #define myFunc(x, y) ((sizeof(x) sizeof(y)) ? ((x) + (y)) : ((x) * (y))) Now we have what appears to be a function, but which is dependent on the data types of the arguments. This is in plain, ordinary C. Place this in a header file, and given only the body of a C program which uses it, we get the same level of confusion. Hmmm. Well, not the same level of confusion. The meaning of a name in Revolution--container or literal--depends on its usage beyond a particular instance. The meaning of an instance of myFunc() depends only on the macro definition, its particular usage, and the location of each. On the other hand, the meaning of a name in Revolution depends on some indefinite number of statements that also use the name in that handler. Very few can articulate that dependency. I have to go look it up in my notes. I use a language subset, so it is not critical to my work, but if I was reviewing another's source, I might have to look that up. Even then, because the dependency is not simple, I wouldn't be completely sure. And besides, some bug fixes might have changed that. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services and Software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
This is way far afield at this point, and it's making my hair hurt. Since the previous example apparently isn't illustrating what you're talking about, Dar, please illustrate with another example so we can discuss this in a less obtuse...context. The Tao blog thanks you. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN]Tao of RunRev, RunRev Wishlist, and RunRev DocumentationProjects
Thanks for nothing Xavier. Now my hair really hurts. Where, err, when the hell is Schrodinger's freaking cat when I need it? There is a reason I left quanta in undergrad. Oh, and in case anyone else cares to make me even crankier by pulling Eigenvalues or Hamiltonian operators into the mix, you all need to know that there was no big bang. Repeat after me: Plasma Universe. Gee. The Tao seems even more appropriate now. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: how do you pulldown a menu?
Hi Xavier, I believe you already answered your question! 'pulldown' command/keyword in the docs may be what you are looking for. Regards ... Bob On Mar 23, 2005, at 4:55 AM,MisterX wrote: Message: 6 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:13:10 +0100 From: MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: how do you pulldown a menu? To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII RunRev is great and we have virtually control of everything. But one... How do you pull down a menu using a script? I tried click at the loc of mymenu but it didn't work! The click actually when to the control below! Never a dull moment! thanks for any clues (other than faking a menu) cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev and Externals
On Mar 22, 2005, at 10:52 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: I usually go even further and create proxy functions that wrap around third party transcript libs. I always did that, but it was since my last talk with Trevor that I thought that this might be a good tip for the rest of the community. But we shouldn't let library suppliers hear about this. We should encourage them to keep to a well-defined interface. On the other hand, the knowledge of the common use of adaptors might encourage suppliers of competing libraries to enter the fray, since that would make crossover easier. Of course, if users use commands or functions not intended to be exported or use exported ones in ways not defined by the library docs, then they take their lumps if things break in new library releases. Do your proxy functions take up one of the 50 stacksInUse allowed in a standalone? Or do they form a script segment you copy and paste as needed? Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
On 3/23/05 10:37 AM, Dar Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The meaning of a name in Revolution--container or literal--depends on its usage beyond a particular instance. I think that if Rev were modified so that it would not accept unquoted strings to be assigned to variables we'd be in a much better place, and it wouldn't give aid to sloppy (IMHO) programming. So: put apple into theFruit put theFruit -- apple put apple into theFruit put theFruit -- (empty) So in the second instance, 'apple' is immediately looked at as a varible because it is unquoted, and since apple hasn't been used before, it is instantiated to empty and its value (empty) assigned to the variable 'theFruit'. Just my 2 cents on this thread... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pasting images in DreamCard
Hi Chipp and Svein: This following sequence of scripts works for me, too: First, copy (in windows explorer) the image file. You could click with the right button of the mouse over the image file and select Copy from the contextual menu. The clipboarddata now has the path to the image: C://My Documents/MyImage.gif The function the clipboard in RR reports the clipboard as empty, but the function the clipboarddata returns the path of the image. Put this script in a button: on mouseup put binfile: the clipboarddata into zxcv set the imageNew of this stack to url zxcv create image set the text of last image to the imageNew of this stack set the imageNew of this stack to empty end mouseup An advantage of this script, over pasting an image directly from the clipboard, is that images like jpg, gif and png, stay compressed, occuping less space in the stack. Svein Rosseland wrote: I am trying out the DreamCard trial by creating a point of sales solution for my own company. In my Products stack I want to place a Product Image Field where the user can paste in an image of a product. Every product is assigned a new card, so no products share the same image. Chipp Walters wrote: You should be able to issue the command 'paste' so do something like this: if the clipboardData[image] is not empty then paste end if This works for me on WinXP if I press the altKey + PrtSc to capture the top window to the clipboard. Then I can go to any card and select paste image from the File menu. Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
I think that if Rev were modified so that it would not accept unquoted strings to be assigned to variables we'd be in a much better place, and it wouldn't give aid to sloppy (IMHO) programming. Fortunately or unfortunately RR has decided to make itself as compatible as possible with preceding tools, in which this was a feature. Of course I don't know how much RR can or wants to modify the MC engine, either. Sign up for the feature request blog and post it. I'm pretty sure before I sleep-crashed into my KB last night that I posted something about this on the Tao blog. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [ANN]Tao of RunRev, RunRev Wishlist, and RunRevDocumentationProjects
My favorite head-hurting concept regarding origin of the universe theories... If this 4-D space (more like 11-D if you want to get technical about it) in which we find ourselves has a starting point (like the big bang), then what caused that to happen? Unless you believe in A-Causality, something had to start it. Now, time, as understood in modern physics, is a component of the fabric of space-time that defines this 4-D space. However, if something caused this 4-D space to come into existence - well, that was an action. For any action to actually happen, there must be some sort of time. This implies some sort of time that exists outside of the fabric of space-time that defines our 4-D space. This implies more than one dimension of time! Multiple dimensions of time would allow for (but not require) all sorts of time-travel and cross-time communication scenarios. We could have apparent breaks in causality (to those inside the inner dimension of time) such as the grandfather paradox, but would not have true breaks in causality. Fun stuff. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mikey Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution Subject: Re: [ANN]Tao of RunRev, RunRev Wishlist, and RunRevDocumentationProjects Thanks for nothing Xavier. Now my hair really hurts. Where, err, when the hell is Schrodinger's freaking cat when I need it? There is a reason I left quanta in undergrad. Oh, and in case anyone else cares to make me even crankier by pulling Eigenvalues or Hamiltonian operators into the mix, you all need to know that there was no big bang. Repeat after me: Plasma Universe. Gee. The Tao seems even more appropriate now. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
On Mar 23, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Ken Ray wrote: The meaning of a name in Revolution--container or literal--depends on its usage beyond a particular instance. I think that if Rev were modified so that it would not accept unquoted strings to be assigned to variables we'd be in a much better place, and it wouldn't give aid to sloppy (IMHO) programming. (I'm not sure why the to be assigned to variables qualification. I assume you mean anywhere.) I see merit to this. It would not break my scripts, but I suspect it will break a lot of scripts. I would not whine if this happened. However, there might be a compromise that preserves some of the heritage: 1 One possibility might be as you state, but add a new declaration, perhaps like this... token apple ...which is virtually equivalent to... constant apple = apple ...but might take up less memory. 2 Another might be a great simplification of the rule that determines which it is. Along with reliable highly-differentiated colorization, too! I think this would respect the heritage. This would break very few scripts and those it does break are probably in trouble. This might be the friendliest to the heritage. 3 Another might be that the initial value of every container is its name and there are no unquoted literals. This is gentle to both traditionalists and crossover programmers. Some crossover programmers make this assumption at first. That would break some of my sloppy scripts and I imagine would break other folk's. This would be mostly in the initial value of a container that accumulates values as a loop executes. Some scripts would have to add... local newList = .. or ... put empty into newList ... at the top. Even though this would break some of my scripts, I would be fine with this. This would break a few traditional scripts in places that depend on name/literal differentiation in strange ways. Those may be flawed anyway, but I'm not sure. 4 Other? Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Unix engines -vs- Handheld Support
Kevin, I am one of the (truly small in number) users of the IRIX engine. As you said, the OS of many unix variants are very infrequently updated. As a matter of fact, we may not continue to use IRIX for very much longer. I would like to see all flavors of *nix supported for at least another year or two, but... for the record... I would rather see Runtime Revolution focus its resources on ADDING support for OTHER MODERN OS's such as PocketPC or PalmOS. Of course we still need constant updates for the Mac/Win/Lin desktops, but the ability to write transcript apps for the handheld market would be truly monumental. Kind Regards, Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 03/20/2005 at 07:23 AM, Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... A handful of you do need to upgrade more frequently, but the numbers that do this are truly small. As such we do have to prioritize carefully the amount of time we spend on this activity. ... ... Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev and Externals
On Mar 23, 2005, at 8:56 AM, Dar Scott wrote: But we shouldn't let library suppliers hear about this. We should encourage them to keep to a well-defined interface. Why encourage? We should take library developers out back and flog them when they make major api changes that could break things ;-) I hate to make api changes that break things but I made a silly mistake in the api for version 1 of the libDatabase libray where I swapped the order of parameters for libdb_updateTable so that it didn't match the order of parameters for libdb_addToTable. libdb_addToTable takes the data array to add first and the search field (used to get a table description) second. libdb_updateTable took the array of fields to search on first and the array of date to update second. So in order to create some unity between the two calls and to make the parameter order more in synch with the order of things in a SQL statement (UPDATE TABLE ... SET ... WHERE) I decided to swap the parameter order in libdb_updateTable for version 2 (which isn't released yet). I had to change a lot of my code when I did it but I sleep better at night now. I realized this could cause some problems for anyone who might be using the library (Andre in particular) but I do mean things like that sometimes. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Posting Suggested Rev Features (was Re: The paradigm of containers....)
On Mar 23, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Mikey wrote: Sign up for the feature request blog and post it. I hope we don't end up with a proliferation of places to post suggestions for Rev. RevZilla already allows us to post feature requests there and provides a feedback mechanism (voting) to allow the community to rank-order its wishes. Not sure how a blog/wiki adds to this process. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
On 3/23/05 11:36 AM, Dar Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4 Other? How about this... we can just use it the way Rev was designed - if you simply declare you variable with 'local' or 'global', it automatically is looked at as a variable even if you don't put anything into it. So that when you do this: local apple put apple into theFruit put theFruit you get empty since 'apple' was declared as a variable which has no value (empty) by definition. I just checked this in Rev 2.5.1 and it works as described. What this does is err on the side of unquoted strings (which I think is tipping the scales the wrong way, IMHO), but that's me... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multiple Line SQL for MySQL?
On Mar 23, 2005, at 3:45 AM, Peter Reid wrote: Does anyone know whether Rev supports multiple-line SQL command execution with MySQL? See http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2248 -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Ken Ray wrote: 4 Other? How about this... we can just use it the way Rev was designed - if you simply declare you variable with 'local' or 'global', it automatically is looked at as a variable even if you don't put anything into it. It seems this is an example of what each of us is doing, programming to some subset of what Revolution allows. Each person might not be using the same subset as the next. Even two people who believe they are programming to the traditional style might have two models under hood, that is, in their minds and in their practice. When one maintains another's scripts, they might break. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services and Software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Posting Suggested Rev Features (was Re: The paradigm of containers....)
How does this happen? Easy. An eager noob shows up completely unaware of RevZilla being an option for RR, builds the blog, announces it, waits before posting to it to see if anyone has anything to say, then receives a notice that there is an established option available. Anybody want to take the opportunity to chime in to let me know that the Tao is already covered, too? I guess I'll be checking out RZ and potentially removing the Wishlist Blog. Cool. Less work for me. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unix engines -vs- Handheld Support
Here, here! Dan On Mar 23, 2005, at 10:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the ability to write transcript apps for the handheld market would be truly monumental. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev and Externals
On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:15 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: But we shouldn't let library suppliers hear about this. We should encourage them to keep to a well-defined interface. Why encourage? We should take library developers out back and flog them when they make major api changes that could break things ;-) That might be considered persuasive encouragement, too. On the other hand... Perhaps that is more of a very firm admonishing. I'm sure any developers and potential developers have gotten the message. Even then, as your tale illustrates, it can happen. Maybe a little utility that finds uses of a function might help when this does happen. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services and Software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [ANN]Tao of RunRev, RunRev Wishlist, andRunRevDocumentationProjects
I think you got a dimension wrong... uh missing... We live in 5 dimentions. Time + gravity being the 4 and 5th... It's just hard to conceive but since time works differntly with gravity waves or fluxes, you have to account for that tangent affecting any of the 4ths previous dimentions... 6th is quanta scale and 7th is the difference in energy/matter balance of the 6 previous (supersymetry's stuff?)... Quantum peanuts... ;) Where do string theory come? the 3rd, 5th, 7th, #11? your guess is as good as mine! All it takes is 3 dimentions to twist anything! But all in all, it's still one world of controls in wich we manage to live in (each and everyone of us or all together) and little do we care where it all came from compared to the where we are heading thanks to Rev or all of us (our controls!) That's the gravity of the situation. The more time and weight we put in a concept, the faster it blackholes and grasps all the market's intererest from the sideral human development market space... Question is: does it pay the bills that these dimensions just throw at us? BTW, the human perception should account for a reasonably google number of dimensions compounded (or factorialed) to reality ;) Just dont try to count them... that's what the tao is about... the tao you can describe, is not the tao... it's the way... (Ambiguity and puns just a fact of life!) The Tao of RunRev is to make it all happen as you wish! One single thing much more than any of the 27 dimensions that describe this universe (last I heard)... But in essence do it in the least clicks possible as usually (the law of least resistence ;) That doesn't say anything about optimization dimensions or vectors does it? Just tempt me! cheers Xavier -- http://monsieurx.com/runrev.php the nitrous dimention in meta-development revSpace -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynch, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 18:12 To: Mikey; How to use Revolution Subject: RE: [ANN]Tao of RunRev, RunRev Wishlist, andRunRevDocumentationProjects My favorite head-hurting concept regarding origin of the universe theories... If this 4-D space (more like 11-D if you want to get technical about it) in which we find ourselves has a starting point (like the big bang), then what caused that to happen? Unless you believe in A-Causality, something had to start it. Now, time, as understood in modern physics, is a component of the fabric of space-time that defines this 4-D space. However, if something caused this 4-D space to come into existence - well, that was an action. For any action to actually happen, there must be some sort of time. This implies some sort of time that exists outside of the fabric of space-time that defines our 4-D space. This implies more than one dimension of time! Multiple dimensions of time would allow for (but not require) all sorts of time-travel and cross-time communication scenarios. We could have apparent breaks in causality (to those inside the inner dimension of time) such as the grandfather paradox, but would not have true breaks in causality. Fun stuff. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mikey Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution Subject: Re: [ANN]Tao of RunRev, RunRev Wishlist, and RunRevDocumentationProjects Thanks for nothing Xavier. Now my hair really hurts. Where, err, when the hell is Schrodinger's freaking cat when I need it? There is a reason I left quanta in undergrad. Oh, and in case anyone else cares to make me even crankier by pulling Eigenvalues or Hamiltonian operators into the mix, you all need to know that there was no big bang. Repeat after me: Plasma Universe. Gee. The Tao seems even more appropriate now. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Posting Suggested Rev Features (was Re: The paradigm of containers....)
On 3/23/05 1:19 PM, Mikey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does this happen? Easy. An eager noob shows up completely unaware of RevZilla being an option for RR, builds the blog, announces it, waits before posting to it to see if anyone has anything to say, then receives a notice that there is an established option available. Anybody want to take the opportunity to chime in to let me know that the Tao is already covered, too? I guess I'll be checking out RZ and potentially removing the Wishlist Blog. Cool. Less work for me. You can get a copy of RevZilla 1.1.3 from RevNet or from RevOnline, but RevZilla 2.0 will be out at the beginning of next week, so you may want to wait until then. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Author of RevZilla) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Posting Suggested Rev Features (was Re: The paradigm of containers....)
On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Sign up for the feature request blog and post it. I hope we don't end up with a proliferation of places to post suggestions for Rev. RevZilla already allows us to post feature requests there and provides a feedback mechanism (voting) to allow the community to rank-order its wishes. Not sure how a blog/wiki adds to this process. I agree and would add that folks can access this directly from the bugzilla web page: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/ (Safari may have problems.) Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services and Software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Posting Suggested Rev Features (was Re: The paradigm of containers....)
Mikey The Tao is an excellent idea. I'd prefer seeing it done as a Wiki or a discussion board rather than a blog, but the idea is sound. I hope I didn't discourage you with my previous remark. I like your enthusiasm! Dan On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Mikey wrote: Anybody want to take the opportunity to chime in to let me know that the Tao is already covered, too? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev and Externals
On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:28 AM, Dar Scott wrote: Maybe a little utility that finds uses of a function might help when this does happen. I use the Edit- Find and Replace window a lot though it really needs a feature to search all stacks that are in memory. I use a lot of library stacks that aren't open but which I want to search. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Enhanced QT External
Hi, Is it possible to extract an audio track from a QT movie, edit this in an editor then paste back into the movie? I can find QTDeleteTrack but no AddTrack function. I can also find QTCopyTrackToScrap, but I tried this with Track 2 (by trial and error of QTSetTrackEnabled) and nothing appeared in the clipboard of my editing application. I am using Windows XP with the Beta 4 Enhanced QT External, but expect that I am doing something terribly wrong! My aim is simply to advance the audio track of the movie by 200mS due to a sync problem. The ends don't matter. Any help would be greatly appreciated Cheers Steve ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unix engines -vs- Handheld Support
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 serious mode I'd certainly hate to lose the UNIX engines, apparently a lot more than most others on this list (I'd like to see them fixed, in fact -- I've never been able to get RevDB working under Linux or Solaris), but adding handheld support certainly sounds quite excellent if Rev can pull if off. It's got my votes (well, some of them, anyway). This will be quite a challenge, however, considering the smaller screen resolutions of handheld devices, the rather different interfaces (for example, Palm and many CE systems only ever have one window opened at a time), handwriting recognition as opposed to keyboards, and so forth. /serious mode wishful thinking mode Any chance of getting support for the old Psion EPOC32 devices, like my Diamond Mako (with its built-in keyboard)? I doubt it, but hey, it's a nice thought, anyway. /wishful thinking mode silly mode While I'm at it, why not a Gameboy engine, or a Dreamcast engine (more useful than the gameboy, though marginally less likely)... /silly mode On Mar 23, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: If you agree, go vote for Bug #1200. I just added my 5 and it's up to 94. Dan On Mar 23, 2005, at 10:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the ability to write transcript apps for the handheld market would be truly monumental. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCQch/7aqtWrR9cZoRAtRGAJ9lHqBgDcm0G+pp6o/kA1m7hjeqMQCfbIXJ kxfjgGqiLGJZldC/MK1Blx8= =G8MS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unix engines -vs- Handheld Support
why not a Gameboy engine I'd prefer a Sony PSP engine. My pre-bought Sony PSP comes in tomorrow!!! :-) Dreamcast engine Dreamcast is dead. I went to the funeral. - James -Original Message- From: Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 23, 2005 2:50 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Unix engines -vs- Handheld Support -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 serious mode I'd certainly hate to lose the UNIX engines, apparently a lot more than most others on this list (I'd like to see them fixed, in fact -- I've never been able to get RevDB working under Linux or Solaris), but adding handheld support certainly sounds quite excellent if Rev can pull if off. It's got my votes (well, some of them, anyway). This will be quite a challenge, however, considering the smaller screen resolutions of handheld devices, the rather different interfaces (for example, Palm and many CE systems only ever have one window opened at a time), handwriting recognition as opposed to keyboards, and so forth. /serious mode wishful thinking mode Any chance of getting support for the old Psion EPOC32 devices, like my Diamond Mako (with its built-in keyboard)? I doubt it, but hey, it's a nice thought, anyway. /wishful thinking mode silly mode While I'm at it, why not a Gameboy engine, or a Dreamcast engine (more useful than the gameboy, though marginally less likely)... /silly mode On Mar 23, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: If you agree, go vote for Bug #1200. I just added my 5 and it's up to 94. Dan On Mar 23, 2005, at 10:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the ability to write transcript apps for the handheld market would be truly monumental. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCQch/7aqtWrR9cZoRAtRGAJ9lHqBgDcm0G+pp6o/kA1m7hjeqMQCfbIXJ kxfjgGqiLGJZldC/MK1Blx8= =G8MS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Enhanced QT External
On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Stephen King wrote: Hi, Is it possible to extract an audio track from a QT movie, edit this in an editor then paste back into the movie? I can find QTDeleteTrack but no AddTrack function. I can also find QTCopyTrackToScrap, but I tried this with Track 2 (by trial and error of QTSetTrackEnabled) and nothing appeared in the clipboard of my editing application. I am using Windows XP with the Beta 4 Enhanced QT External, but expect that I am doing something terribly wrong! My aim is simply to advance the audio track of the movie by 200mS due to a sync problem. The ends don't matter. Any help would be greatly appreciated Hi Stephen, What you want to do is possible. A couple of things: 1) qtCopyTrackToScrap puts the track you specify on the clipboard and you can then paste it another movie from within Revolution or using a program like QuickTime Player. I haven't tested this with other apps however. 2) To insert the current movie/track on the clipboard into a player object in Revolution you can use qtAddMovieSegment which will insert the clipboard at the currentTime of the player object in Revolution. 3) There is no call to delete a track (I will add one though, didn't realize that was missing). This means you will have to do a workaround to accomplish what you want using the external. If you just want to move a track forward 200ms then you could do the following: 1) Create two player objects. 2) Load your original movie into player object 1. Call qtInitializeEditing. 3) Call qtNewMovie with the path where you could like to create your new movie. Load this into player 2. The currentTime should be 0. 4) For all tracks except the audio track in player object 1 you would call qtCopyTrackToScrap then add the track to player object 2 using qtAddMovieSegment (do not add scaled). 5) For the audio track use qtCopyTrackToScrap as well. Then set the currentTime of player 2 to the time where you want the audio to begin. Now call qtAddMovieSegment and the audio will be placed at the new time. 6) Use qtSaveAs to save the file. 7) Go vote for bug 2254 http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2254 because you really don't want to have to call qtSaveAs after editing. You want to be able to call qtSave :) Accomplishing this same thing will be much easier once I add a qtCutTrack/qtDeleteTrack call. I will try to get this in before I (one day) release version 1. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Re: how do you pulldown a menu?
sez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The only way possible at this stack is to simulate it with a field... A field which can't overlap stack boundaries like the menu can... ouch ouch ouch... A one-card substack with one field in it, which you open without decorations and resize as needed? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Posting Suggested Rev Features (was Re: The paradigm of containers....)
In regards to the Wiki, discussion board, and newsgroup suggestions, none of them are bad ideas but were ruled out because of the following: 1) With Blogger we can have members who can post to the blog, just like with the other options but 2) Blogger enables me (and other admins to be apointed) greater editorial control. That is NOT to say that posts will be edited (well, they probably will be a little), but presentation, ordering, appearance, etc. options are easier to address in Blogger than with any other tool I've tried. 3) Email linking - It's easy to cite the blog in posts to this list, and regardless of what we may do to reformat, reorganize, etc. posts, the links won't break. 4) Google searches built in 5) Despite all of the control and extra power, posting can still be accomplished by members by sending emails to the blog. So we have all the advantages of the other options, with tighter control. I like that. Who knows, maybe this will take on a life of its own and ultimately morph into something else. I'm not opposed to moving it as it grows. First thing, though, is for me to recruit more people to hop in and help out. It isn't designed to be my personal feifdom. It's designed to be another community effort to record knowledge that isn't otherwise available to the community at large. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Posting Suggested Rev Features (was Re: The paradigm of containers....)
With regard to the RevZilla goop, as I mentioned earlier, the Wishlist and Doc blobs might be very, very short-lived. That's ok. Ultimately that means that I just have to repost a bunch of things elsewhere. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
Ken- Wednesday, March 23, 2005, 8:58:13 AM, you wrote: KR I think that if Rev were modified so that it would not accept unquoted KR strings to be assigned to variables we'd be in a much better place, and it KR wouldn't give aid to sloppy (IMHO) programming. Menu: Edit | Preferences | Script Editor | Variable checking by default Why this isn't on by default is beyond me except that it would force many programmers to clean up their code. If this had been left to me, I wouldn't even have made it an option. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unix engines -vs- Handheld Support
Count my votes for handhelds (a really big market) and dream Playstation and xBox/dream engines. My little brother just asked me last week why I don´t port my games to his Playstation. :-) Cheers, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
Dar, Hell, when I revisit some of my old code Even I can't reason with it!!! Bad habits don't grow old, they just prove themselves. ;) Andy PS What can possibly go wrong... go wrong... go wrong... - Original Message - When one maintains another's scripts, they might break. Dar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: save standalone problem
Hi Fritz, the problem is in the way you cut and pastethe cards to the new stack. It is likely that there is more than one card with the same ID in the stack the cards are copied to. This causes the hiccup and the standalone can not be saved. Check in the inspector... You might try this to copy your cards: on mouseUp repeat with i=1 to the number of cards of stack b copy cd i of stack b to stack c end repeat end mouseUp Cheers, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Way OT : time and tao
Jonathan- Wednesday, March 23, 2005, 9:12:13 AM, you wrote: LJ However, if something caused this 4-D space to come into existence - LJ well, that was an action. For any action to actually happen, there must LJ be some sort of time. Er... no. Humans have a hard time wrapping their minds around the idea that time simply didn't exist before the big bang. Time as a dimension came into being at the same... er... time... as the other dimensions. Trying to talk about time before the Big Bang is like trying to imagine cutting a board to a length of -2 feet. My favorite way to look at time, though, is to examine the Planck length, theoretically the smallest unit of distance. So if there's a smallest distance and the speed of light in our universe is constant and limited, then there's a smallest increment of time; that being the time it takes a photon to traverse the Planck length. If there's a smallest increment of time, then time is quantized. This means that time is not a river flowing from the past to the future, but a series of motion picture frames blurring together into the illusion of constant movement into the future. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
Noob here again. Is it possible to set (or unset) the Variable Checking By Default option? I looked through the docs, but didn't see anything. Is it possible to check the setting? What happens if a stack is compiled for distribution? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Unix engines -vs- Handheld Support
I give you my nuclear vote on that one... But it's not like it's not a new idea. Im sure a Newton version is probably sitting somewhere in a cd on a shelf! But which OS? Palm, Linux or PPC? Truely, im amazed at the gps solutions for PPC and Palms (a bit less given their LIMITED GUI and pain to manage files). I haven't tried symbian (Psyon) but that's the dilema too for the developper. Also it would be one more battle front for RunRev to handle. They do have lots of bugzillas to handle still. But it would be cool! Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 19:12 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Unix engines -vs- Handheld Support Kevin, I am one of the (truly small in number) users of the IRIX engine. As you said, the OS of many unix variants are very infrequently updated. As a matter of fact, we may not continue to use IRIX for very much longer. I would like to see all flavors of *nix supported for at least another year or two, but... for the record... I would rather see Runtime Revolution focus its resources on ADDING support for OTHER MODERN OS's such as PocketPC or PalmOS. Of course we still need constant updates for the Mac/Win/Lin desktops, but the ability to write transcript apps for the handheld market would be truly monumental. Kind Regards, Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 03/20/2005 at 07:23 AM, Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... A handful of you do need to upgrade more frequently, but the numbers that do this are truly small. As such we do have to prioritize carefully the amount of time we spend on this activity. ... ... Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: how do you pulldown a menu?
Strange... I didn't try the all so simple approach to verify but it's a pop up menu... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 17:28 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: how do you pulldown a menu? Xavier asked: RunRev is great and we have virtually control of everything. But one... How do you pull down a menu using a script? I tried click at the loc of mymenu but it didn't work! Tom replied: I thought so. I remember trying to figure this out before and do not remember any solutions. Hopefully someone else here has. This is a great concept for teaching and having a mouse selecting a menu automatically is what I was looking for. Hmmm... It works on a PC... on mouseDown click at the loc of btn myPullDown end mouseDown /H ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The paradigm of containers and self-referenced names
Mikey wrote: Noob here again. Is it possible to set (or unset) the Variable Checking By Default option? I looked through the docs, but didn't see anything. Is it possible to check the setting? What happens if a stack is compiled for distribution? Yes, in Rev 2.5 (don't think it was possible it 2.2 and earlier) menu Edit / Preferences Then click on button Script Editor in the left column, and it's a checkbox - fifth one in middle section. Not sure what happens in a standalone, sorry. (Never even felt compelled to suck it and see :-) -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Way OT : time and tao
Er... no. Humans have a hard time wrapping their minds around the idea that time simply didn't exist before the big bang. Time as a dimension came into being at the same... er... time... as the other dimensions. The key phrase here is time as a dimension There is a common sense concept of time, involving the flow of events. If something caused the big bang, then that something had a flow of events. I agree that it may not be a dimension of time that is incorporated into our fabric of space-time. However, it is still some sort of time. Think of an excel spreadsheet, with time starting at time zero. Each column represents a month. After twelve columns, you see the one-year results of the events that transpire within the spreadsheet. The spreadsheet itself represents the fabric of space-time of that little microcosm. In this scenario, time in the spreadsheet would indeed be a component of the fabric of spacetime. When you ask the question what caused the state of affairs as shown in column 2 the answer would be the state of affairs in column 1 However - when you ask the question what caused the state of affairs as shown in column 1 you come up with a different answer entirely. Either you believe in A-causality, in which you case you say that it just is that way and that nothing caused it... Or you believe that something outside of the spreadsheet caused the state of affairs in column 1. Now, if you define time strictly as a component of the fabric of spacetime - as a component of the spreadsheet - then you have to say there is no before the starting moment. But, if you include the flow of events as a workable definition of time, then you wind up with two dimensions of time, an inner and outer dimension. If the definition of the word 'time' is a hangup, then it might be useful to think in terms of nested chains of causality, rather than nested time. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Way OT : time and tao
This means that time is not a river flowing from the past to the future, but a series of motion picture frames blurring together into the illusion of constant movement into the future. And even this falls apart at the quantum level of vibrating strings and dimensional sheets the bump into each other initiating Big Bangs throughout the theoretical 16 dimensional universe. In the Quantum Electrodynamic (QED) view of the universe (via Feynman diagrams) light/information travels forwards and backwards in time creating a quantum flux or foam of particles that make up our tiny slice of reality. Cool topic guys and gals. -James -Original Message- From: Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 23, 2005 4:22 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Way OT : time and tao Jonathan- Wednesday, March 23, 2005, 9:12:13 AM, you wrote: LJ However, if something caused this 4-D space to come into existence - LJ well, that was an action. For any action to actually happen, there must LJ be some sort of time. Er... no. Humans have a hard time wrapping their minds around the idea that time simply didn't exist before the big bang. Time as a dimension came into being at the same... er... time... as the other dimensions. Trying to talk about time before the Big Bang is like trying to imagine cutting a board to a length of -2 feet. My favorite way to look at time, though, is to examine the Planck length, theoretically the smallest unit of distance. So if there's a smallest distance and the speed of light in our universe is constant and limited, then there's a smallest increment of time; that being the time it takes a photon to traverse the Planck length. If there's a smallest increment of time, then time is quantized. This means that time is not a river flowing from the past to the future, but a series of motion picture frames blurring together into the illusion of constant movement into the future. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: how do you pulldown a menu?
yep! I knew I had that coming ;) But let's keep it simple... One click, one stack matter... if possible... Im trying to avoid all the RevOveriding possible... cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 21:37 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: how do you pulldown a menu? sez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The only way possible at this stack is to simulate it with a field... A field which can't overlap stack boundaries like the menu can... ouch ouch ouch... A one-card substack with one field in it, which you open without decorations and resize as needed? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: how do you pulldown a menu?
Cool... Does the following command work: Popop button myButton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MisterX Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:48 PM To: 'How to use Revolution' Subject: RE: how do you pulldown a menu? Strange... I didn't try the all so simple approach to verify but it's a pop up menu... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 17:28 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: how do you pulldown a menu? Xavier asked: RunRev is great and we have virtually control of everything. But one... How do you pull down a menu using a script? I tried click at the loc of mymenu but it didn't work! Tom replied: I thought so. I remember trying to figure this out before and do not remember any solutions. Hopefully someone else here has. This is a great concept for teaching and having a mouse selecting a menu automatically is what I was looking for. Hmmm... It works on a PC... on mouseDown click at the loc of btn myPullDown end mouseDown /H ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [ANN]Tao of RunRev, RunRev Wishlist, and RunRevDocumentationProjects
I think your head can be protected from hurt if you consider the proof by Gödel that no logical system can be both complete and internally consistent. Thus we shouldn't expect our mental logical system to be able to deal with everything without throwing up the odd paradox. If you like thinking about such things, I recommend that you look at the book Gödel, Escher, Bach: the eternal golden braid by Douglas Hofstadter. At 2:52 PM -0500 23/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My favorite head-hurting concept regarding origin of the universe theories... If this 4-D space (more like 11-D if you want to get technical about it) in which we find ourselves has a starting point (like the big bang), then what caused that to happen? Unless you believe in A-Causality, something had to start it. Now, time, as understood in modern physics, is a component of the fabric of space-time that defines this 4-D space. However, if something caused this 4-D space to come into existence - well, that was an action. For any action to actually happen, there must be some sort of time. This implies some sort of time that exists outside of the fabric of space-time that defines our 4-D space. This implies more than one dimension of time! Multiple dimensions of time would allow for (but not require) all sorts of time-travel and cross-time communication scenarios. We could have apparent breaks in causality (to those inside the inner dimension of time) such as the grandfather paradox, but would not have true breaks in causality. Fun stuff. -- Michael J. Lew Senior Lecturer Department of Pharmacology The University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Victoria Australia Phone +613 8344 8304 ** New email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ftp: all files in a folder with user feedback?
Hi list, has anyone written a nifty handler to upload all files in a folder with user feedback (a progress bar or something like it) that she/he is willing to share? Tia, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Way OT : time and tao
Hey guys - A great place to bat these ideas around is http://www.experts-exchange.com/;. I haven't participated there in a while, but when I did the discussions were mostly very civilized and very thought-provking. -James -Original Message- From: Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 23, 2005 5:18 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Way OT : time and tao Jonathan- Wednesday, March 23, 2005, 1:38:55 PM, you wrote: LJ When you ask the question what caused the state of affairs as shown in LJ column 2 the answer would be the state of affairs in column 1 I think your analogy is starting to fall apart here. I don't think you can infer causality from the existence of two states. You're implying a relationship between the two states based on causality, and then attempting to prove causality based on the implied relationship. Hawking's arrows of time infer the flow of time from perceived causality i.e., the entropic arrow, the cosmological arrow, but without a flow of time these causalities wouldn't exist. It is equally true to say that entropy increases in the direction of the flow of time and to say that time flows in the direction of increasing entropy. If there is no entropy then there is no time flow, and there is no causality. Causality vs a-causality is irrelevant here. ...and this discussion is getting *really* off-track now. I'd better duck out before the listmom gets upset... it's been fun. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Way OT : time and tao
Guys, stop it. Please. You're killing me. The reason I'm not toying in these matters any more is that I decided that the shortest period of time I wanted to consider was a season, specifically SpringSummer. Really. After the first problem on the Mechanics Final dealt with a shaft I knew that it was time to move on, which was when I discovered HC, and realized that I had wasted the better part of a decade on Physics. Can we at least put an [off] on the front of this now? No, I don't want to hear about ELI the ICE man, either. However, I leave you with this E=mc^2 E=ir Thus mc^2=ir. The proof is left as an exercise. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN]Tao of RunRev, RunRev Wishlist, and RunRevDocumentationProjects
Michael, I find it appropriate that you represent Pharmacology and you can reference systems requiring mental gymnastics [;-P -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Way OT : time and tao
I think your analogy is starting to fall apart here. I don't think you can infer causality from the existence of two states. In the example with the excel spreadsheet, you can infer causality if it is one of those spreadsheets in which you start with numbers in the first column, and in all of the following columns you use a formula that figures out its information based on the information in the preceding column. Causality would, in fact, be inferred almost by definition in that circumstance. Clearly, this analogy would make no sense if each column just contained random numbers. You're implying a relationship between the two states based on causality, and then attempting to prove causality based on the implied relationship. I meant for the two states to have assumed causality - I should have made that more clear. Column 1 causes column 2. Column 2 causes Column 3, etc... Past events cause future events - just as we see in our reality. One could describe a set of circumstances in which future events caused past events. But to describe these events, you would inevitably have to resort to multiple dimensions of time in order to complete the description. For example: 1st, particle A began at time = 0 seconds 2nd, particle A bumped into particle B at time = 1 second 3rd, particle B vibrated at time = 2 seconds 3rd, this caused particle B to go backwards in time to time = 0 seconds 4th, particle B interacted with particle A at time = 0 seconds And so on... This description has two dimensions of time (or causal chains, if you prefer) The inner dimension is described with time = 0 seconds, time = 1 second, and time = 2 seconds. The outer dimension is described with 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th. but without a flow of time these causalities wouldn't exist. Exactly! If every condition has a cause, then there must be an associated flow of time to allow that condition to have happened. The starting conditions of the big bang either had a cause, or they did not. If we believe the starting conditions did not have a cause, then we are assuming A-causality. If we believe the starting conditions did have a cause, even though time in our universe was at value 0 at that moment, then we must assume more than one dimension of time (or chain of causality, if you prefer). Every single description of possible scenarios of the beginning of time that I have read either stated or implied A-causality, or stated or implied multiple dimensions of time. The big bang/big crunch cyclic model, for example, would imply multiple dimensions of time, if time begins anew at every big bang. If there is no entropy then there is no time flow, and there is no causality. Entropy is an axiom of physics, a starting assumption. In all observations of the real-world, it appears to hold true. However, this does not mean or even imply that entropy holds true across multiple dimensions of time, or across any outer realities in which this reality is defined (if such realities were to exist). I think it is dangerous to assume that the laws that apply this 4-D space must apply anything that might exist outside of this space. Quite the contrary, if one believes in an infinitely regressing chain of cause and effect rather than in A-causality, then you cannot help but conclude that entropy for the total system should be zero. Without that, all of existence would already be in a state of maximum entropy. Equally - the fact that time in our universe correlates with the progress of entropy does not, in any way, mean or imply that an outer dimension of time that is not part of our spacetime must also correlate with entropy. The inner and outer dimensions of time could be of two entirely different natures, just as in my spreadsheet example, in which time on the inner dimension (the months laid out in the spreadsheet) is very different from time in the real-world in which we are observing the spreadsheet. ...and this discussion is getting *really* off-track now. I'd better duck out before the listmom gets upset... it's been fun. Ya - I expect that I have just annoyed the total caca out of everyone who is not into philosophy on this list - um, sorry guys. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
SQLite and Revolution?
Hi, Does anyone know if there is any prospect of an SQLite interface for Revolution? I noticed some mention of it in the past, but it seems that all has gone quiet? I'd love a way to build apps that just used a small single-person database without being tied in to something as proprietary (and expensive) as Valentina. Thanks, Karen ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SQLite and Revolution?
Hi Karen, We're putting the final touches on our SQLlite external. It works using the standard revDB interfaces. Contact me offlist if you want to learn more. best, Chipp Karen wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if there is any prospect of an SQLite interface for Revolution? I noticed some mention of it in the past, but it seems that all has gone quiet? I'd love a way to build apps that just used a small single-person database without being tied in to something as proprietary (and expensive) as Valentina. Thanks, Karen ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Pie Chart Example wanted!
Hi All, Does anyone know of a pie chart example stack/script getting around? cheers Dwayne.. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pie Chart Example wanted!
There is Pie Control by MonsieurX on RevOnline/Users Space/General Pat - Original Message - From: Dwayne Rothe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: Pie Chart Example wanted! Hi All, Does anyone know of a pie chart example stack/script getting around? cheers Dwayne.. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Is there a tutorial for Property Inspector, Standalone window and message box menubar?
I am a new user of Revolution. Can anyone suggest a tutorial that provides a step-by-step explanation of: 1. The property inspector. While certain features are obvious and intuitive, there are others that I find baffling (Database? Inks?) and I did not find in the User Guide. 2. The various features of the Standalone Application Settings window. 3. The menubar in the message box. I would greatly appreciate any help. While the documentation for scripting in Revolution is deep, extensive and excellent I am having difficulty finding the above basic information. It seems to me that the large book on the Transcript Language Reference and much of the printed User Guide are unnecessary since they are duplicated and covered so well in the digitized form within Revolution. What I'd really like to see instead is a small manual that takes the reader step-by-step through each of the features of Revolution (apart from the scripting), along with an Index. Thanks very much. Steve Goldberg ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: save standalone problem
Thanks, Malte, that solved my problem. I didn't pay attention to the possibility that more than one card in a stack could have the same ID. The negligence in this regard may be rooted in my HyperCard experience. In HC, cards cut and then pasted into another stack are assigned IDs different from their original ones. Anyway, thanks again for your kind help. Fritz Hi Fritz, the problem is in the way you cut and pastethe cards to the new stack. It is likely that there is more than one card with the same ID in the stack the cards are copied to. This causes the hiccup and the standalone can not be saved. Check in the inspector... You might try this to copy your cards: on mouseUp repeat with i=1 to the number of cards of stack b copy cd i of stack b to stack c end repeat end mouseUp Cheers, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac / ISO XML - dumb question
Op 23-mrt-05 om 12:46 heeft jbv het volgende geschreven: Terry, Thanks for the suggestion (replacing upper ASCII chars with their #xxx; form); I've already came to that conclusion. The XML files I need to generate on-the-fly with Rev cgi feature french content, and french language uses quite a few of those upper ascii chars ()... The only thing I'm worried about is : this might be OK when opening the XML files in a browser, but what about other software (spreadsheet, word processor...) ? Will they accept #233; for (for instance) ? It probably is the only reliable way to use upper ASCII in XML in RunRev. So that reduces the options pretty much. Concerning the other programs: they should treat it right. But you may just try it. Terry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
