Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Eric Chatonet]

Dear Stephen,

I am very disappointed with your knowledge of my plugins ;-)
I thought that you had seen that Color Picker displays all color  
names, all colors samples and all values in RGB, WEB notation and  
NAMES (as would say Ben).
More it provides a tool to bring to you the best matching color name  
from any RGB or WEB value :-)

Available for free from my website... (private joke)

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 27 mai 05 à 19:04, Stephen Barncard a écrit :

I have been looking for a list of standardized RGB color names to  
use in REV for a while. Today I stumbled on a Javascript FAQ site  
and came across a nice list of names. So I tried a few of these in  
REV (Mac OSX).


http://www.javascripter.net/faq/colornam.htm#top

Wow.. all the ones I tried changed the backgroundcolor in rev...

(in the message box)
set the backgroundcolor  stack "drawer1"  to sandybrown
set the backgroundcolor  stack "drawer1"  to navajowhite

this must be built in to OSXthere's a lot of names, and they  
even make sense.



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Colors conversion (was [INFO] Javascript Colors list)

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Tom,

From my Color Picker plugin, here are some functions that may help:

function AnyColorToRGB pColor
  if comma is not in pColor then
put ColorNameToRGB(pColor) into pColor -- ∆
if pColor = empty then
  put HTMLToRGB(pColor) into pColor -- ∆
end if
  end if
  return pColor
end AnyColorToRGB
-
function ColorNameToRGB pColorName
  local tColors
  --
  if pColorName is not among the lines of the colorNames then return  
empty

  put the uColors of this stack into tColors
  filter tColors with pColorName & ",*"
  return item 2 to 4 of tColors
end ColorNameToRGB
-
function HTMLToRGB pHtmlRef
  if char 1 of pHtmlRef is "#" then delete char 1 of pHtmlRef
  -
  return baseconvert(char 1 to 2 of pHtmlRef,16,10) & comma \
  & baseconvert(char 3 to 4 of pHtmlRef,16,10) & comma \
  & baseconvert(char 5 to 6 of pHtmlRef,16,10)
end HTMLToRGB

The uColors property returns a list of the color names followed by  
the rgb values.
I am going to post it separately in 2 mails because of the mail size  
limits on this list...


If you need another functions as RGBToHTML, RGBToColorName, etc. let  
me know :-)


Le 28 mai 05 à 05:33, Thomas McGrath III a écrit :

I did write a small script to get the RGB equivalent of those names  
and posted the results. Maybe there is a function for that?

I didn't find a way to do the HTML Hex values though. Any ideas?



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Color Names and RGB Values part 1

[Eric Chatonet]

AliceBlue,239,247,255
AntiqueWhite,249,232,210
AntiqueWhite1,254,237,214
AntiqueWhite2,235,219,197
AntiqueWhite3,200,185,166
AntiqueWhite4,129,116,104
Aquamarine,67,183,186
Aquamarine1,127,255,212
Aquamarine2,118,238,198
Aquamarine3,102,205,170
Aquamarine4,65,124,100
Azure,239,255,255
Azure1,239,255,255
Azure2,222,236,236
Azure3,188,199,199
Azure4,122,125,125
Beige,245,243,215
Bisque,255,228,196
Bisque1,253,224,188
Bisque2,234,208,174
Bisque3,199,175,146
Bisque4,129,110,89
Black,0,0,0
BlanchedAlmond,254,232,198
Blue,0,0,255
Blue1,21,53,255
Blue2,21,49,236
Blue3,21,40,199
Blue4,21,27,126
BlueViolet,138,43,226
Brown,152,5,23
Brown1,246,53,38
Brown2,228,45,23
Brown3,194,34,23
Brown4,126,5,23
Burlywood,216,175,121
Burlywood1,252,206,142
Burlywood2,234,190,131
Burlywood3,198,160,109
Burlywood4,128,99,65
CadetBlue,87,134,147
CadetBlue1,152,245,255
CadetBlue2,142,226,236
CadetBlue3,119,191,199
CadetBlue4,76,120,126
Chartreuse,127,255,0
Chartreuse1,127,255,0
Chartreuse2,118,238,0
Chartreuse3,102,205,0
Chartreuse4,67,124,23
Chocolate,200,90,23
Chocolate1,248,114,23
Chocolate2,229,103,23
Chocolate3,195,86,23
Chocolate4,126,49,23
Coral,247,101,65
Coral1,247,101,65
Coral2,229,91,60
Coral3,195,74,44
Coral4,126,40,23
CornflowerBlue,100,149,237
CornSilk,255,247,215
CornSilk1,255,247,215
CornSilk2,236,229,198
CornSilk3,200,194,167
CornSilk4,129,122,104
Cyan,0,255,255
Cyan1,87,254,255
Cyan2,80,235,236
Cyan3,70,199,199
Cyan4,48,125,126
DarkBlue,0,0,139
DarkCyan,0,139,139
DarkGoldenrod,175,120,23
DarkGoldenrod1,251,177,23
DarkGoldenrod2,232,163,23
DarkGoldenrod3,197,137,23
DarkGoldenrod4,127,82,23
DarkGray,169,169,169
DarkGreen,0,100,0
DarkKhaki,183,173,89
DarkMagenta,139,0,139
DarkOliveGreen,74,65,23
DarkOliveGreen1,202,255,112
DarkOliveGreen2,188,233,84
DarkOliveGreen3,160,197,68
DarkOliveGreen4,102,124,38
DarkOrange,248,128,23
DarkOrange1,248,114,23
DarkOrange2,229,103,23
DarkOrange3,195,86,23
DarkOrange4,126,49,23
DarkOrchid,125,27,126
DarkOrchid1,176,65,255
DarkOrchid2,162,59,236
DarkOrchid3,139,49,199
DarkOrchid4,104,34,139
DarkRed,139,0,0
DarkSalmon,225,139,107
DarkSeaGreen,139,179,129
DarkSeaGreen1,193,255,193
DarkSeaGreen2,180,238,180
DarkSeaGreen3,153,198,142
DarkSeaGreen4,105,139,105
DarkSlateBlue,43,56,86
DarkSlateGray,37,56,60
DarkSlateGray1,151,255,255
DarkSlateGray2,141,238,238
DarkSlateGray3,120,199,199
DarkSlateGray4,76,125,126
DarkTurquoise,59,156,156
DarkViolet,132,45,206
DeepPink,245,40,135
DeepPink1,255,20,147
DeepPink2,228,40,124
DeepPink3,193,34,103
DeepPink4,125,5,63
DeepSkyBlue,0,191,255
DeepSkyBlue1,59,185,255
DeepSkyBlue2,0,178,238
DeepSkyBlue3,0,154,205
DeepSkyBlue4,0,104,139
DimGray,70,62,65
DodgerBlue,21,137,255
DodgerBlue1,30,144,255
DodgerBlue2,28,134,238
DodgerBlue3,24,116,205
DodgerBlue4,16,78,139
Firebrick,128,5,23
Firebrick1,246,40,23
Firebrick2,228,34,23
Firebrick3,193,27,23
Firebrick4,126,5,23
FloralWhite,255,249,238
ForestGreen,34,139,34
Gainsboro,216,217,215
GhostWhite,247,247,255
Gold,212,160,23
Gold1,253,208,23
Gold2,234,193,23
Gold3,199,163,23
Gold4,128,101,23
Goldenrod,218,165,32
Goldenrod1,251,185,23
Goldenrod2,233,171,23
Goldenrod3,198,142,23
Goldenrod4,128,88,23
White,255,255,255
Gray,190,190,190
Gray0,0,0,0
Gray1,21,5,23
Gray10,21,5,23
Gray100,255,255,255
Gray11,21,5,23
Gray12,21,5,23
Gray13,21,5,23
Gray14,21,5,23
Gray15,21,5,23
Gray16,21,5,23
Gray17,21,5,23
Gray18,37,5,23
Gray19,37,5,23
Gray2,21,5,23
Gray20,37,5,23
Gray21,43,27,23
Gray22,43,27,23
Gray23,48,34,23
Gray24,48,34,38
Gray25,52,40,38
Gray26,52,40,44
Gray27,56,45,44
Gray28,59,49,49
Gray29,62,53,53
Gray3,21,5,23
Gray30,65,56,57
Gray31,65,56,60
Gray32,70,62,63
Gray33,70,62,65
Gray34,74,67,68
Gray35,76,70,70
Gray36,78,72,72
Gray37,80,74,75
Gray38,84,78,79
Gray39,86,80,81
Gray4,10,10,10
Gray40,102,102,102
Gray41,105,105,105
Gray42,107,107,107
Gray43,110,110,110
Gray44,100,96,96
Gray45,102,99,98
Gray46,105,101,101
Gray47,109,105,104
Gray48,110,106,107
Gray49,114,110,109
Gray5,13,13,13
Gray50,116,113,112
Gray51,120,116,115
Gray52,122,119,119
Gray53,124,121,121
Gray54,128,125,124
Gray55,130,128,126
Gray56,133,131,129
Gray57,135,133,131
Gray58,139,137,135
Gray59,141,139,137
Gray6,15,15,15
Gray60,143,142,141
Gray61,147,145,144
Gray62,149,148,146
Gray63,153,151,149
Gray64,154,153,152
Gray65,158,156,155
Gray66,160,159,157
Gray67,163,162,160
Gray68,165,164,163
Gray69,169,168,166
Gray7,18,18,18
Gray70,172,171,169
Gray71,174,173,172
Gray72,177,177,175
Gray73,179,179,177
Gray74,183,182,180
Gray75,185,184,182
Gray76,188,187,186
Gray77,190,190,188
Gray78,193,193,191
Gray79,195,196,194
Gray8,20,20,20
Gray80,199,199,197
Gray81,202,202,201
Gray82,204,204,203
Gray83,208,207,207
Gray84,210,210,209
Gray85,213,213,212
Gray86,215,215,215
Gray87,219,219,217
Gray88,221,221,220
Gray89,224,224,224
Gray9,21,5,23
Gray90,226,227,225
Gray91,229,230,228
Gray92,232,233,232
Gray93,235,235,234
Gray94,238,238,238
Gray95,240,241,240
Gray96,244,244,243
Gray97,246,246,245
Gray98,249,249,250
Gray99,251,251,251
Green,0,255,0
Green1,95,251,23
Green2,0,238,0
Gr

Color Names and RGB Values part 2

[Eric Chatonet]

Lavender,227,228,250
LavenderBlush,253,238,244
LavenderBlush1,255,240,245
LavenderBlush2,235,221,226
LavenderBlush3,200,187,190
LavenderBlush4,129,118,121
LawnGreen,124,252,0
LemonChiffon,255,248,198
LemonChiffon1,255,250,205
LemonChiffon2,238,233,191
LemonChiffon3,205,201,165
LemonChiffon4,139,137,112
LightBlue,173,216,230
LightBlue1,189,237,255
LightBlue2,175,220,236
LightBlue3,149,185,199
LightBlue4,104,131,139
LightCoral,231,116,113
LightCyan,224,255,255
LightCyan1,224,255,255
LightCyan2,207,236,236
LightCyan3,175,199,199
LightCyan4,113,125,125
LightGoldenrod,236,216,114
LightGoldenrod1,255,232,124
LightGoldenrod2,236,214,114
LightGoldenrod3,200,181,96
LightGoldenrod4,129,115,57
LightGoldenrodYellow,250,248,204
LightGray,160,159,157
LightGreen,144,238,144
LightPink,250,175,186
LightPink1,249,167,176
LightPink2,231,153,163
LightPink3,196,129,137
LightPink4,127,78,82
LightSalmon,249,150,107
LightSalmon1,255,160,122
LightSalmon2,231,138,97
LightSalmon3,196,116,81
LightSalmon4,127,70,44
LightSeaGreen,32,178,170
LightSkyBlue,130,202,250
LightSkyBlue1,173,223,255
LightSkyBlue2,160,207,236
LightSkyBlue3,135,175,199
LightSkyBlue4,86,109,126
LightSlateBlue,115,106,255
LightSlateGray,109,123,141
LightSteelBlue,114,143,206
LightSteelBlue1,198,222,255
LightSteelBlue2,183,206,236
LightSteelBlue3,154,173,199
LightSteelBlue4,100,109,126
LightYellow,255,254,220
LightYellow1,255,255,224
LightYellow2,237,235,203
LightYellow3,201,199,170
LightYellow4,130,125,107
LimeGreen,50,205,50
Linen,249,238,226
Magenta,244,62,255
Magenta1,255,0,255
Magenta2,226,56,236
Magenta3,192,49,199
Magenta4,125,27,126
Maroon,129,5,65
Maroon1,245,53,170
Maroon2,227,49,157
Maroon3,193,34,131
Maroon4,125,5,82
MediumAquamarine,102,205,170
MediumBlue,0,0,205
MediumForestGreen,52,114,53
MediumGoldenrod,204,185,84
MediumOrchid,176,72,181
MediumOrchid1,212,98,255
MediumOrchid2,196,90,236
MediumOrchid3,167,74,199
MediumOrchid4,106,40,126
MediumPurple,132,103,215
MediumPurple1,171,130,255
MediumPurple2,159,121,238
MediumPurple3,137,104,205
MediumPurple4,93,71,139
MediumSeaGreen,48,103,84
MediumSlateBlue,123,104,238
MediumSpringGreen,0,250,154
MediumTurquoise,72,204,205
MediumVioletRed,199,21,133
MidnightBlue,21,27,84
MintCream,245,255,249
MistyRose,253,225,221
MistyRose1,255,228,225
MistyRose2,234,208,204
MistyRose3,198,175,172
MistyRose4,128,111,108
Moccasin,253,224,172
NavajoWhite,253,218,163
NavajoWhite1,255,222,173
NavajoWhite2,234,201,149
NavajoWhite3,199,170,125
NavajoWhite4,128,106,75
Navy,0,0,128
NavyBlue,0,0,128
OldLace,252,243,226
OliveDrab,101,128,23
OliveDrab1,192,255,62
OliveDrab2,179,238,58
OliveDrab3,153,197,23
OliveDrab4,105,139,34
Orange,248,122,23
Orange1,250,155,23
Orange2,231,142,23
Orange3,197,119,23
Orange4,127,72,23
OrangeRed,246,56,23
OrangeRed1,255,69,0
OrangeRed2,228,49,23
OrangeRed3,194,40,23
OrangeRed4,126,5,23
Orchid,218,112,214
Orchid1,246,125,250
Orchid2,228,115,231
Orchid3,193,96,195
Orchid4,125,56,124
PaleGoldenrod,237,228,158
PaleGreen,121,216,103
PaleGreen1,154,255,154
PaleGreen2,144,238,144
PaleGreen3,124,205,124
PaleGreen4,78,124,65
PaleTurquoise,174,235,236
PaleTurquoise1,187,255,255
PaleTurquoise2,173,235,236
PaleTurquoise3,146,199,199
PaleTurquoise4,102,139,139
PaleVioletRed,209,101,135
PaleVioletRed1,247,120,161
PaleVioletRed2,229,110,148
PaleVioletRed3,194,90,124
PaleVioletRed4,126,53,77
PapayaWhip,254,236,207
PeachPuff,252,213,176
PeachPuff1,255,218,185
PeachPuff2,234,197,163
PeachPuff3,198,166,136
PeachPuff4,128,103,82
Peru,197,119,38
Pink,250,175,190
Pink1,255,181,197
Pink2,231,161,176
Pink3,196,135,147
Pink4,127,82,93
Plum,185,59,143
Plum1,249,183,255
Plum2,230,169,236
Plum3,195,142,199
Plum4,126,88,126
PowderBlue,173,220,227
Purple,142,53,239
Purple1,137,59,255
Purple2,127,56,236
Purple3,108,45,199
Purple4,70,27,126
Red,255,0,0
Red1,246,34,23
Red2,228,27,23
Red3,193,27,23
Red4,126,5,23
RosyBrown,179,132,129
RosyBrown1,251,187,185
RosyBrown2,232,173,170
RosyBrown3,197,144,142
RosyBrown4,127,90,88
RoyalBlue,43,96,222
RoyalBlue1,48,110,255
RoyalBlue2,43,101,236
RoyalBlue3,37,84,199
RoyalBlue4,21,49,126
SaddleBrown,126,49,23
Salmon,225,139,107
Salmon1,248,129,88
Salmon2,230,116,81
Salmon3,195,98,65
Salmon4,126,56,23
SandyBrown,238,154,77
SeaGreen,46,139,87
SeaGreen1,106,251,146
SeaGreen2,100,233,134
SeaGreen3,67,205,128
SeaGreen4,46,139,87
Seashell,254,243,235
Seashell1,255,245,238
Seashell2,238,229,222
Seashell3,205,197,191
Seashell4,139,134,130
Sienna,160,82,45
Sienna1,248,116,49
Sienna2,230,108,44
Sienna3,195,88,23
Sienna4,126,53,23
SkyBlue,102,152,255
SkyBlue1,130,202,255
SkyBlue2,121,186,236
SkyBlue3,101,158,199
SkyBlue4,65,98,126
SlateBlue,106,90,205
SlateBlue1,115,105,255
SlateBlue2,105,96,236
SlateBlue3,105,89,205
SlateBlue4,52,45,126
SlateGray,101,115,131
SlateGray1,194,223,255
SlateGray2,180,207,236
SlateGray3,152,175,199
SlateGray4,108,123,139
Snow,255,249,250
Snow1,255,250,250
Snow2,236,231,230
Snow3,200,196,194
Snow4,129,124,123
SpringGreen,0,255,127
SpringGreen1,94,251,110
SpringGreen2,0,238,118

Sorry [may be Spam...]

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Tom,

Due to the time difference (40 mails to read this morning) I posted  
the colors lists you had already posted before I saw them...

Sorry.

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

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Re: testimg my new mail programme: please ignore

[Bob Hartley]

You wrote:

Hi Malte

>  >Also I used it on my Acorn RISC machine and know how good it is.
> 
> Did you own an archimedes?

Yep I sure did. They are still going strong in Hardware and emulation.
see www.drobe.co.uk for news www.riscos.com for the OS www.iyonix.com
www.advantage6.com for hardware. Incidentally, the emulator was released for
MAcos last week (been on wintel for a few years) see www.virtualacorn.co.uk

I had an A3010 at home and used A5000's and an A310 in my research. In thise
days we had someone write the applications in assembler. They flew on a 25
Mhz Machine.

I ended up with a 233 strongARM machine that was faster than a P3 1ghz
running windows. I took it into the lab one day and turned it on and strted
using it in 5 secs and everyone that had not seen RiscOS said Ohhh what IS
THAT? How fast is that machine (they all thought it waas a new top of the
range imaging workstation).

Anyway I could't resist a bit of nostalga. :-)

Cheers
Bob
> 
> That was my *dream-machine* in the late 80´s...
> 
> Sorry, couldn´t resist.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: Modifying Tactile Media's bouncer.rev script

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, DaveyJJ  wrote:

> Has anyone ever tried to, or have the slightest clue as to how to,
> modify the excellent Tactilemedia bouncer.rev stack to actually have
> the little "marbles" collide (even semi-realistically) with one
> another or other objects in the window? My seve year old wants to
> know and I have to admit I haven't been able to do it.

Well, the bouncer stack isn't really excellent (in fact I noticed some
unnecessary stuff in the scripts -- shame on me) but in gratitude for your
kind words, it has been rewritten to accommodate your request for simple
collision detection.  Run the following in your message box (not a Web
link):

 go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmpanel.rev";

...click the Demo Stacks link at the top of the panel, and then click the
Bouncer2 link.  The demo stack now includes a central block from which the
balls bounce off, and the balls now react to eachother using a simple method
of collision detection.  Perhaps the script is slightly more intelligible
now.

There is a small anomaly present in the collision detection method in that
the balls will intermittently "kiss and linger" on the central obstacle or
eachother for brief time. This is probably due to the script repeatedly
detecting a collision point within an obstacle, so the balls are quickly
switching direction back and forth.  Kind of amusing to watch actually.

Of course, this not an elaborate collision detection routine -- for that,
you'd have to see Jim Hurley's Nine Ball:

 go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/NineBallWithSpin.rev";

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: OT: Tiger's Interface Quirks

[Richard Gaskin]

Kurt Kaufman wrote:
Pretty far OT for the Revolution list, but of interest specifically to 
those of us who are writing applications for Mac OS X, a review:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/26/tiger_ui_review/


Thanks for posting that. Interesting read.

I followed one of the links in that to:


...where the author notes a change in Tiger that may bode well for us 
multi-platform developers:


   Apple did finally come to its senses and
   ditch the mailbox drawer, replacing it
   with a splitter pane on the left.


Mail had previously been the most popular app using drawers, and its use 
encouraged other UI designers to follow suit.  The problem for us, of 
course, is that drawers are platform-specific, so if we use them we need 
to figure out how to display the same information without them for the 
majority of our customers using all other OSes.


This move by Apple is most welcome:  every OS uses splitter panes 
widely, and they're easy to implement in Rev on all of them.


Apple has "rejoined the family of nations" with this move, and while 
I've managed to avoid the drawers conundrum thus far at last I'm 
confident I won't need to bother thinking about it at all.


Coupled with the coming two-button mouse, Apple is making our work 
supporting their OS easier and easier


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Media Corporation
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Re: Rev difficulty

[Klaus Major]

Hi Andre,


On May 28, 2005, at 12:22 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

"Good artists copy, great artists steal" -- Picasso
I copied httpd.mc when I was starting the project, but I stealled  
Rob and Montes Cookie Functions? that makes me what?


a great spanish artist, just like good ol' Pablo :-D


andre


--
Andre Alves Garzia  2004
Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org


Best from hot germany

Klaus Major
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Beware the webnotes

[MisterX]

Here i go again graciously adding tips and errors that i see in the "group"
command entry in the revdocs. 
 
I had a warning about their "tip". 
 
Then I add another about the "example" but the first web note about the tip
disappeared...
 
Argh... again, loss of time... Hope this prevents further loss for you! Now,
can anyone add a webnote to see if mine gets replaced? Dictionary->group
command.
 
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2857
 
cheers
Xav
 
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Looking for testers for PenTool v0.3.2

[Alejandro Tejada]

Looking for testers for PenTool v0.3.2

Hi Developers,

Could you give me 10 minutes of your
time to test this new version of the
utility stack "penTool v0.3.2??

If so, please send the actual text
of error messages, screenshots and 
a brief description of the actions 
that trigguer these error messages.

Download from:


_http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/penToolv032.zip_

This version includes a palette to scale, rotate,
reflect and skew graphics... and a splash
screen with dolphins.(Open the stack "StartPen") 
:-D

al

Visit my site:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/



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Re: Beware the webnotes

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Xavier,

There is only the single following note:

If you capture the selectedobjects, here's a helper script to put  
them together that works in any situation:


  put the selectedobjects into objs
  replace CR with " and " in objs
  do "group" && objs
  -- it will not contain the newly made group!!! ;(
  -- The last group may not be the group you just made if a group  
was in it - see previous web note!


XB [28/05/05]

Le 28 mai 05 à 11:26, MisterX a écrit :

Here i go again graciously adding tips and errors that i see in the  
"group"

command entry in the revdocs.

I had a warning about their "tip".

Then I add another about the "example" but the first web note about  
the tip

disappeared...

Argh... again, loss of time... Hope this prevents further loss for  
you! Now,
can anyone add a webnote to see if mine gets replaced? Dictionary- 
>group

command.

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2857



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Re: Ben's Rev Difficulties

[Martin Blackman]

Heee hee hee ..  Its not often I laugh out loud when reading this list but 
that was a very humorous rebuttal.  I almost felt sorry for the guy until I 
realised what he is up to - trying to sabotage Rev.  I hope that List Mom 
will banish him.



Here'something to learn from:

This example will teach how to call a custom function, and how to use
the built-in function "random" and "toUpper" to modify text.

In addition to providing instruction it also has immediate practical
value:  you can write normal text and run it through this filter to save
wear and tear on your Caps Lock key.

To use, follow these steps:

1. Make a new stack
2. In that stack create two fields
3. In the first field type normal text
4. Create a button
5. Put this script in the button, then
switch to the Browse tool and click it:

on mouseUp
   put BenzFilter(fld 1) into fld 2
end mouseUp

--
-- BenzFilter
--
-- This text filter returns the text passed into it
-- after randomly turning about one-fourth of its
-- words to upper-case.



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Re: [ANN] Property List Table

[Dennis Brown]

Thanks Ken,

I will rewrite it once more using what I learned from your comments  
(and Richard's) to clean it up (in my own developing style) since  
others may look at it to learn from.  One thing is that it is too  
big.  That is because I could not find a small file for the VC and AC  
objects on my hard drive.  If anyone has a dinky one or knows how to  
make a dinky one (I never work with these) I will use it to make the  
stack much smaller since it might be used as a reference and kept  
around.


More comments below.

On May 28, 2005, at 12:45 AM, Ken Ray wrote:


On 5/27/05 10:01 PM, "Dennis Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I doubt my scripts would be a model of superb Transcript.  Perhaps
someone can take a look at it and suggest better ways of doing this
simple table task.  It seemed very clunky to me for the way I figured
out how to click on the header rows for a sort --but it was quick and
dirty.



If you don't mind, I'd like to take a stab at it... here's your  
original

script:

on mouseup
  get me
  if the clickChunk is not empty then
do "put "&the clickChunk&" into x"
put "wd,cd,grp,btn,fld,sb,grc,img,player,EPS,vc,ac" into  
objList --wd

repeat with i=number of items of objList+1 down to 0
  if x contains item i of objList then exit repeat
end repeat
set itemdel to tab
sort it
if i>0 then sort lines of it descending by item i+1 of each
put it into me
  end if
  set the textcolor of line one of me to blue
  repeat with i=2 to the number of lines of me
if i mod 2 = 0 then get darkred else get black
set the textcolor of line i of me to it
  end repeat
end mouseup

Here's what I suggest as a more optimal way (watch the line wraps):

on mouseUp
  put itemOffset(the
clickText,"wd,cd,grp,btn,fld,sb,grc,img,player,EPS,vc,ac")+1 into  
tItemNum

  set itemDel to tab
  put me into tData
  sort tData
  if tItemNum > 1 then sort lines of tData descending by item  
tItemNum of

each
  put tData into me
  set the textColor of line 1 of me to blue
  repeat with i = 2 to (the number of lines of me) step 2
set the textColor of line i of me to darkred
  end repeat
end mouseUp

You can use is the clickText instead of the clickChunk so you can  
get the
text that was clicked directly. By using 'itemOffset', you can  
directly get
the comma-delimited item that matches the clickText, and add 1 to  
it. If the

text isn't found, it will return 0; 0+1 = 1.

Since you already have the location of the matching column in  
tItemNum, you

can use it to do the sort.


Good Ideas.  What I really would have expected of a table field is  
that it would have returned the column and row that I clicked in, and  
that I could get and put data based on column and row just as if it  
were an array.  I expect that Rev will develop this soon.




Finally, the 'repeat' control structure allows you to skip every x  
number of
lines in the data by using the 'step' option; here, I'm using 'step  
2' to
make sure that it only handles the even numbered lines. Since by  
default the
text is black when it is put into the field, you only need to set  
the blue

and red lines.


I was experimenting with colors other than black also.



I also noticed that you use 'it' a lot (as a result of a 'get').  
Since 'it'
is a temporary variable, it's lifespan before it gets changed is  
usually
very small. So I would recommend using 'put' instead of 'get',  
depositing
the result into a variable of your own naming (I used 'tData' and  
'tItem'

here).


Using "it" as much as possible is a goal of mine, as long as the  
context is short.  I might have stretched the point a bit here.   
"get" stands out to identify the context of it.  "it" is also my  
favorite way to break up a complex statement to make it more readable  
and understandable (like parens) without having to create useless  
extra names to type and remember.  I am still working on developing  
my style with variable names.



Your sorting routines work because you have an inserted space before
"Property Name", and all the other columns are either X's or blanks  
other
than the header. This is quite clever! However what might have been  
better
would be to separate the header into another field that was placed  
atop the
field with the data in the group. Clicking on the header would  
cause the

*other* field to sort; the header would be left alone.


I thought of this, but I did not want the extra code to keep the two  
fields sized and aligned (incl tab stops) if someone wanted to resize  
them.  As it is now, someone can take just the display field and  
remove it from everything else and still have the all the sort  
functionality.  The creation button only needed to be executed once,  
ever --by me (or again if Rev changes properties).


Regardless of my attempt at optimizing your scripts, I must say  
that I am

very encouraged at your rate of progress. Keep up the good work!


Thank you.

Dennis
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Re: Rev difficulty

[Vjstbenz]

Klaus...

i find you CONFERENCE about CONTROLS very very good indeed.

You have covered some VERY IMPORTANT points of understanding for me.in your 
CONFERENCE... 

The GRAPHICS expanation is very helpfull too.

can you tell me WHY each object has an ID?.is this the HANDLE to the object 
or control?

thanks

Ben


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Re: Modifying Tactile Media's bouncer.rev script

[Jim Hurley]

Message: 6
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:00:41 -0400
From: DaveyJJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Modifying Tactile Media's bouncer.rev script
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
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Has anyone ever tried to, or have the slightest clue as to how to, 
modify the excellent Tactilemedia bouncer.rev stack to actually have 
the little "marbles" collide (even semi-realistically) with one 
another or other objects in the window? My seve year old wants to 
know and I have to admit I haven't been able to do it.


David

--



David,

Check out Nine Ball pool. The collisions are assumed to be elastic, 
conserving momentum and energy.


Run this in the message box:

go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/NineBallWithSpin.rev";

You son may want to start with something a little easier. Check out 
BouncingBallTools for collisions of balls with other objects.


go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/BouncingBallTools.rev";

Good luck to your son. Games programing is probably a good place to 
motivate a youngster. But it may also be the most difficult. In any 
event, he will discover that the time he spends studying math will be 
time well spent.


Jim


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Dreamcard script problem

[Douglas Gilliland]

I am an educator that just recently switched from HyperStudio (using
some HyperLogo scripting) to Dreamcard. I have created a stack to use
in my science class that has the following script:

on mouseUp
  revSetSpeechVoice "Victoria"
  revSetSpeechSpeed 130
revSpeak "That is not correct. Try again"
  answer "The Density of Water is 1.00 g/mL."
end mouseUp

Problem: It works find on my PowerBook (which I have DreamCard
installed). But when I play it on a student eMac (with the Dreamcard
Player) the button action does not execute. Another button with a
simple "go next" script works fine.

Any ideas on what is preventing the button action?
Thanks,
Doug Gilliland
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Re: Rev difficulty

[Klaus Major]

Hi Ben,


Klaus...

i find you CONFERENCE about CONTROLS very very good indeed.
You have covered some VERY IMPORTANT points of understanding for  
me.in your CONFERENCE...

The GRAPHICS expanation is very helpfull too.


I'm VERY, VERY glad i could please you!
Looks like i reached a goal, that all the other mails i this thread  
were not able to reach :-D


can you tell me WHY each object has an ID?.is this the HANDLE  
to the object or control?


IDs are used internally by the engine to manage all controls  
efficiently.

Remember that all controls do have an unique ID.

And we can refer to objects with their IDs, too, if we like.


thanks

Ben


Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de



P.S.
There are a couple of unwritten (or maybe written somewhere?) rules  
on how
to "behave" on the internet (lists/mails/chats etc...) called  
"Nettiquette".


And one of the rules says that using CAPITAL letters is not very nice  
since they represent

SHOUTING in real life.

And although i am in fact a liitle bit deaf, i can read very good. :-)

So please stop using CAPITAL letters*** except where appropriate  
(sic!) in your mails, thank you.


***...or using Richard's and/or Scott's nice function(s)...


@ Richard & Scott:
You naughty naughtyboys :-D

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Re: Dreamcard script problem

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi DOug,

If text to speech is not available on the current system, the text-to- 
speech commands set the result function to an error message.

And we may think that's the problem.
So, you could try something like:

put revSpeechVoices() into tVoices
if it = empty then answer error "No computer's text-to-speech  
capability!"

else etc.

or

revSpeak "All is well."
if the result <> empty then answer the result.

Managing errors is one of the most important things in any software ,-)

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 28 mai 05 à 15:52, Douglas Gilliland a écrit :


I am an educator that just recently switched from HyperStudio (using
some HyperLogo scripting) to Dreamcard. I have created a stack to use
in my science class that has the following script:

on mouseUp
  revSetSpeechVoice "Victoria"
  revSetSpeechSpeed 130
revSpeak "That is not correct. Try again"
  answer "The Density of Water is 1.00 g/mL."
end mouseUp

Problem: It works find on my PowerBook (which I have DreamCard
installed). But when I play it on a student eMac (with the Dreamcard
Player) the button action does not execute. Another button with a
simple "go next" script works fine.

Any ideas on what is preventing the button action?
Thanks,
Doug Gilliland



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Re: Dreamcard script problem

[Douglas Gilliland]

Eric,
I use text-to-speech frequently in my HyperStudio programs so I am
sure that isn't the problem. Also, the button answer text doesn't show
up which is independent of the sound.
Best regards from Florida,
Doug


On 5/28/05, Eric Chatonet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi DOug,
> 
> If text to speech is not available on the current system, the text-to-
> speech commands set the result function to an error message.
> And we may think that's the problem.
> So, you could try something like:
> 
> put revSpeechVoices() into tVoices
> if it = empty then answer error "No computer's text-to-speech
> capability!"
> else etc.
> 
> or
> 
> revSpeak "All is well."
> if the result <> empty then answer the result.
> 
> Managing errors is one of the most important things in any software ,-)
> 
> Best regards from Paris,
> 
> Eric Chatonet.
> 
> Le 28 mai 05 à 15:52, Douglas Gilliland a écrit :
> 
> > I am an educator that just recently switched from HyperStudio (using
> > some HyperLogo scripting) to Dreamcard. I have created a stack to use
> > in my science class that has the following script:
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >   revSetSpeechVoice "Victoria"
> >   revSetSpeechSpeed 130
> > revSpeak "That is not correct. Try again"
> >   answer "The Density of Water is 1.00 g/mL."
> > end mouseUp
> >
> > Problem: It works find on my PowerBook (which I have DreamCard
> > installed). But when I play it on a student eMac (with the Dreamcard
> > Player) the button action does not execute. Another button with a
> > simple "go next" script works fine.
> >
> > Any ideas on what is preventing the button action?
> > Thanks,
> > Doug Gilliland
> 
> 
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Re: Anyone using AltBrowser

[Thomas McGrath III]

Chipp, is it still a problem in OSX 10.3.9 which I am using now. My 
problem was a lack of understanding how to put the pieces together to 
make it work. Or is .9 a problem too.

I can wait till you are done visiting with family Chipp.

Where on the East Coast, I am in Pittsburgh PA

Well i will ask for help in a week or so,

Tks

Tom
On May 28, 2005, at 1:09 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Hi Thomas,

Dan, Klaus and Richard are correct.

1) I am away this week, visiting family on the east coast;
2) We are currently working on a Tiger fix. Bummer is, everytime Apple 
upgrades their OS (including dotdot upgrades), they sometimes create 
new problems for us. Because Apple has such a small developer 
community, products like their WebKit don't get tested or used much 
so, when someone like us trys to build a product around what can best 
be described as 'beta-quality Apple software', we end up 'debugging' 
Apple's code as well. Plus, it's difficult if not impossible to get 
any help from Apple unless one is willing to pony up major bucks.


Thankfully it doesn't happen on the Windows side. We'll be sure and 
post when we get the upgrade.


best,

Chipp

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Hello all,
I can't seem to figure out how to put an AltBrowser into a card on my 
stack. I have sent emails to Altuit but it seems no one is there 
(Chipp???) anyway if someone here has used the library in their own 
stack maybe you could help me understand how to do it.
It is an issue with getting a library that exists in another stack 
and putting that into my existing stack. I read the docs 6 times from 
AltBrowser but after 23 crashes to rev and now an unopenable stack 
(Yes I keep lots of backups so no biggie) I am at a loss.

Hopefully waiting
Tom
Thomas J. McGrath III
SCS
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Pittsburgh, PA 15234
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Re: Colors conversion (was [INFO] Javascript Colors list)

[Thomas McGrath III]

Eric,

very cool, your the man..

Tom
On May 28, 2005, at 3:48 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Hi Tom,

From my Color Picker plugin, here are some functions that may help:

function AnyColorToRGB pColor
  if comma is not in pColor then
put ColorNameToRGB(pColor) into pColor -- ∆
if pColor = empty then
  put HTMLToRGB(pColor) into pColor -- ∆
end if
  end if
  return pColor
end AnyColorToRGB
-
function ColorNameToRGB pColorName
  local tColors
  --
  if pColorName is not among the lines of the colorNames then return 
empty

  put the uColors of this stack into tColors
  filter tColors with pColorName & ",*"
  return item 2 to 4 of tColors
end ColorNameToRGB
-
function HTMLToRGB pHtmlRef
  if char 1 of pHtmlRef is "#" then delete char 1 of pHtmlRef
  -
  return baseconvert(char 1 to 2 of pHtmlRef,16,10) & comma \
  & baseconvert(char 3 to 4 of pHtmlRef,16,10) & comma \
  & baseconvert(char 5 to 6 of pHtmlRef,16,10)
end HTMLToRGB

The uColors property returns a list of the color names followed by the 
rgb values.
I am going to post it separately in 2 mails because of the mail size 
limits on this list...


If you need another functions as RGBToHTML, RGBToColorName, etc. let 
me know :-)


Le 28 mai 05 à 05:33, Thomas McGrath III a écrit :

I did write a small script to get the RGB equivalent of those names 
and posted the results. Maybe there is a function for that?

I didn't find a way to do the HTML Hex values though. Any ideas?



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Re: Sorry [may be Spam...]

[Thomas McGrath III]

Eric, No mine were wrong somehow. I just checked and yours were right.

Thanks very much,

Tom

On May 28, 2005, at 3:53 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Hi Tom,

Due to the time difference (40 mails to read this morning) I posted 
the colors lists you had already posted before I saw them...

Sorry.

Best regards from Paris,

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Re: Rev difficulty

[Dennis Brown]

Ben,

Perhaps nobody has ever explained to you about capitals and emotions  
in emails.  I will give it a try...


We humans convey much of the emotional meaning of our words with body  
language and inflections in our speech.  This is natural and easy  
when we meet face to face.  However, in emails it is not always easy  
to understand the emotional context of the words.  Certain  
conventions have been adopted in order to get around this  
difficulty.  Those who know and use these conventions have become  
sensitive to the emotional context that they are supposed to convey.   
Capitalized words means that you are SHOUTING extreme ANGER or  
extreme HAPPINESS through the words.  We also use emoticons :-)  :- 
(  ;-)  to convey more emotional context.  You can find out about the  
common courtesy Netiquette at:


http://www.netmanners.com/netiquette_101.html

Understanding the efficient and polite way to communicate your ideas  
in email will help you succeed in receiving the most help.


As a practical example, here is your short email below rewritten  
along these lines (with proper punctuation):


I hope you find this information useful,

Dennis



Klaus,

I find you conference about controls VERY GOOD indeed!

You have covered some very important points of understanding for  
me, in your conference.


The graphics expanation is very helpfull too.

Can you tell me why each object has an ID?  Is this the "handle"   
to the object or control?


Thanks,

Ben


On May 28, 2005, at 9:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Klaus...

i find you CONFERENCE about CONTROLS very very good indeed.

You have covered some VERY IMPORTANT points of understanding for  
me.in your CONFERENCE...


The GRAPHICS expanation is very helpfull too.

can you tell me WHY each object has an ID?.is this the HANDLE  
to the object or control?


thanks

Ben


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Re: Rev difficulty

[Vjstbenz]

i understand

no capsok

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Re: Rev difficulty

[Thomas McGrath III]

your missing the conference Vjstbenz


On May 28, 2005, at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


i understand

no capsok

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Re: Colors conversion (was [INFO] Javascript Colors list)

[Stephen Barncard]

OK! I understand now...

At 9:48 AM +0200 5/28/05, Eric Chatonet wrote:



The uColors property returns a list of the color names followed by 
the rgb values.

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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Stephen Barncard]

Yes, Eric I know and use your plugin (brilliant), but it didn't seem 
to offer what I was looking for, namely a simple text list of their 
names with the #HEX codes... and anyway, all I was noting for the 
list is that it was standardized.


At 9:01 AM +0200 5/28/05, Eric Chatonet wrote:

Dear Stephen,

I am very disappointed with your knowledge of my plugins ;-)
I thought that you had seen that Color Picker displays all color 
names, all colors samples and all values in RGB, WEB notation and 
NAMES (as would say Ben).
More it provides a tool to bring to you the best matching color name 
from any RGB or WEB value :-)

Available for free from my website... (private joke)

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

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Re: Anyone using AltBrowser

[Todd Higgins]

If there is indeed a problem with AltBrowser and Webkit then it would  
affect 10.3.9 as well.  Apple updated Safari/ Webkit to keep it  
compatible with 10.4.


From the primary Safari developer's weblog: http:// 
weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/archives/2005_04.html#007962


Posted at 10:35 PM
Those of you running Panther can now update to 10.3.9. This update  
includes Safari 1.3 and new versions of WebKit, WebCore, and  
JavaScriptCore that contain thousands of improvements we've made to  
the engine since Safari 1.2.


What you are getting is all of the new standards support, new WebKit  
capabilites, site compatibility fixes and performance optimizations  
that are also present in Safari 2.0 for Tiger. The layout engines for  
the two are virtually identical.


Regards,

Todd

On May 28, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Chipp, is it still a problem in OSX 10.3.9 which I am using now. My  
problem was a lack of understanding how to put the pieces together  
to make it work. Or is .9 a problem too.

I can wait till you are done visiting with family Chipp.

Where on the East Coast, I am in Pittsburgh PA

Well i will ask for help in a week or so,

Tks

Tom
On May 28, 2005, at 1:09 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:



Hi Thomas,

Dan, Klaus and Richard are correct.

1) I am away this week, visiting family on the east coast;
2) We are currently working on a Tiger fix. Bummer is, everytime  
Apple upgrades their OS (including dotdot upgrades), they  
sometimes create new problems for us. Because Apple has such a  
small developer community, products like their WebKit don't get  
tested or used much so, when someone like us trys to build a  
product around what can best be described as 'beta-quality Apple  
software', we end up 'debugging' Apple's code as well. Plus, it's  
difficult if not impossible to get any help from Apple unless one  
is willing to pony up major bucks.


Thankfully it doesn't happen on the Windows side. We'll be sure  
and post when we get the upgrade.


best,

Chipp

Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Hello all,
I can't seem to figure out how to put an AltBrowser into a card  
on my stack. I have sent emails to Altuit but it seems no one is  
there (Chipp???) anyway if someone here has used the library in  
their own stack maybe you could help me understand how to do it.
It is an issue with getting a library that exists in another  
stack and putting that into my existing stack. I read the docs 6  
times from AltBrowser but after 23 crashes to rev and now an  
unopenable stack (Yes I keep lots of backups so no biggie) I am  
at a loss.

Hopefully waiting
Tom
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Re: Anyone using AltBrowser

[Thomas McGrath III]

Todd,

Well that will save me a lot of wasted time not knowing if it was just 
me or Safari or AltBrowser. Thank you.


I will await an update to Altbrowser then.

Thanks again,

Tom

On May 28, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Todd Higgins wrote:

If there is indeed a problem with AltBrowser and Webkit then it would 
affect 10.3.9 as well.  Apple updated Safari/ Webkit to keep it 
compatible with 10.4.


From the primary Safari developer's weblog: 
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/archives/2005_04.html#007962


Posted at 10:35 PM
Those of you running Panther can now update to 10.3.9. This update 
includes Safari 1.3 and new versions of WebKit, WebCore, and 
JavaScriptCore that contain thousands of improvements we've made to 
the engine since Safari 1.2.


What you are getting is all of the new standards support, new WebKit 
capabilites, site compatibility fixes and performance optimizations 
that are also present in Safari 2.0 for Tiger. The layout engines for 
the two are virtually identical.


Regards,

Todd

On May 28, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Chipp, is it still a problem in OSX 10.3.9 which I am using now. My 
problem was a lack of understanding how to put the pieces together to 
make it work. Or is .9 a problem too.

I can wait till you are done visiting with family Chipp.

Where on the East Coast, I am in Pittsburgh PA

Well i will ask for help in a week or so,

Tks

Tom
On May 28, 2005, at 1:09 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:



Hi Thomas,

Dan, Klaus and Richard are correct.

1) I am away this week, visiting family on the east coast;
2) We are currently working on a Tiger fix. Bummer is, everytime 
Apple upgrades their OS (including dotdot upgrades), they sometimes 
create new problems for us. Because Apple has such a small developer 
community, products like their WebKit don't get tested or used much 
so, when someone like us trys to build a product around what can 
best be described as 'beta-quality Apple software', we end up 
'debugging' Apple's code as well. Plus, it's difficult if not 
impossible to get any help from Apple unless one is willing to pony 
up major bucks.


Thankfully it doesn't happen on the Windows side. We'll be sure and 
post when we get the upgrade.


best,

Chipp

Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Hello all,
I can't seem to figure out how to put an AltBrowser into a card on 
my stack. I have sent emails to Altuit but it seems no one is there 
(Chipp???) anyway if someone here has used the library in their own 
stack maybe you could help me understand how to do it.
It is an issue with getting a library that exists in another stack 
and putting that into my existing stack. I read the docs 6 times 
from AltBrowser but after 23 crashes to rev and now an unopenable 
stack (Yes I keep lots of backups so no biggie) I am at a loss.

Hopefully waiting
Tom
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Re: Looking for testers for PenTool v0.3.2

[Alejandro Tejada]

Hi Developers,

Thanks a lot for your time for testing
this "PenTool" stack!

The error that everybody found with the button in
the "StartPen" stack is because the script of
the button is looking for a stack named "penTool"
and could not find it. :-o

The odd thing is that i was not seeing most of 
these errors here in this machine. For this reason 
i have moved to another machine to continue the
development of this stack.

Many errors that you are watching come from this
problem: the script is calling a stack for another
name and (of course could not find the stack by
that name) show an error msg. i've fixed all these 
errors by now, but the most annoying bug is when
the code worked fine in previous version 
(0.3.1.4) and now is broken, without making any 
changes to it, like Export AI...

Oddly enough, the same stack works fine in that
version. If you need to export your drawing to
illustrator, open PenTool version 0.3.1.4 and 
export your graphics from his "Import/Export..."
palette, until i find the culprit. :-(

(The download direction is in a previous mail
that i send to Use-Revolution mail list)

I've received many reports from users and i'm
adressing this and many other issues. :-D

I'm aware of the importance of tools for adding, 
deleting and converting points, but the tool 
for deleting points is not ready yet...

Worked fine at some point back, but get bugged after
adding the cPoints property and the writeRelPoints
handler. The graphic "jumps" out of place after
deleting a vertex or a control point. :-((

Thanks a lot again for your time and tomorrow, 
i'll post a link to an updated and (hopefully) 
less buggy stack "penTool". ;-)

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Re: OT: Tiger's Interface Quirks

[Dan Shafer]

Richard

I must say that I'm of two minds on this.

On the one hand, Apple moving away from the drawer does make the app  
more cross-platform compatible. OTOH, drawers are way cooler than  
splitters (because, among other things, they can be relocated to the  
left or right). I HATE the new Mail UI. I miss the drawer. I miss the  
ability to close/open it. I miss the ability to relocate it.


Drawers are a UI improvement. For Apple to disavow them in one of its  
key apps is IMNSHO a concession to mediocrity and a distasteful step  
backward.


As, for that matter, was the other decision in Mail (decidedly NOT  
toward standards compliance), the elimination of the mbox format for  
mail. dumb.



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Dan Shafer, Co-Chair
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June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest

On May 28, 2005, at 1:47 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Kurt Kaufman wrote:

Pretty far OT for the Revolution list, but of interest  
specifically to those of us who are writing applications for Mac  
OS X, a review:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/26/tiger_ui_review/



Thanks for posting that. Interesting read.

I followed one of the links in that to:


...where the author notes a change in Tiger that may bode well for  
us multi-platform developers:


   Apple did finally come to its senses and
   ditch the mailbox drawer, replacing it
   with a splitter pane on the left.


Mail had previously been the most popular app using drawers, and  
its use encouraged other UI designers to follow suit.  The problem  
for us, of course, is that drawers are platform-specific, so if we  
use them we need to figure out how to display the same information  
without them for the majority of our customers using all other OSes.


This move by Apple is most welcome:  every OS uses splitter panes  
widely, and they're easy to implement in Rev on all of them.


Apple has "rejoined the family of nations" with this move, and  
while I've managed to avoid the drawers conundrum thus far at last  
I'm confident I won't need to bother thinking about it at all.


Coupled with the coming two-button mouse, Apple is making our work  
supporting their OS easier and easier


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Learning things "table object"

[Bill]

I was complaining earlier about how table objects scroll automatically,
arbitrarily lock and unlock text, exhibit weird behavior with data in the
cells that is visible actually different than the data that is there. I
found out that all you do is unselect the check mark "table object" and then
all is fine. You have a nice field with a grid that behaves normally.

So what is a "table object" and why would anyone want it?


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Re: Learning things "table object"

[Richard Gaskin]

Bill wrote:

I was complaining earlier about how table objects scroll automatically,
arbitrarily lock and unlock text, exhibit weird behavior with data in the
cells that is visible actually different than the data that is there. I
found out that all you do is unselect the check mark "table object" and then
all is fine. You have a nice field with a grid that behaves normally.

So what is a "table object" and why would anyone want it?


A grid object is just a field with the vGrid and hGrid properties set to 
 true, but it has other additional features not handled by the engine 
to enable in-cell editing.


But if you don't need in-cell editing and are using it just to display 
lists as in a database, as you've discovered you can just use a normal 
field with the vGrid and hGrid set and you're good to go.


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Re: Some people like programming...

[Dan Shafer]

Well-put, Kurt.

I like to say that many people who say they like writing, actually  
like having written. I think the same is true of programming: many  
people who say they enjoy programming really enjoy the end result,  
not the process, which can indeed be sticky and messy at times.



~~
Dan Shafer, Co-Chair
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http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest

On May 27, 2005, at 8:11 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote:





Some people like programming, some don't.



Some thoughts:

I have to admit that when I am knocking my head against the wall  
trying to determine why the [EMAIL PROTECTED]&* THING WON'T WORK, I'm not the  
happiest camper.especially when I discover that the problem  
lies with a misspelled variable (or something along those lines)!


At the same time, it is thrilling to have something work the way  
you expect, to have a problem solved, to create an application that  
fulfills its need precisely- all the more so when the need is very  
specific and nothing else is available which exactly fits the bill.


Transcript also allows the person with a non-higher-math background  
(such as myself) to work with many math functions in a more verbose  
manner, so that I can at least code the clock face "in 100  
lines" (vs. the Math Whiz's 13, or whatever), and BOTH scripts work.


-Kurt

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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 20, Issue 120

[DaveyJJ]

Many thanks to Scott and Jim!


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Re: Learning things "table object"

[Bill]

But I can still do in cell editing. When I select a cell in the grid it lets
me edit. It is behaving just like I thought a table should...


On 5/28/05 7:01 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bill wrote:
>> I was complaining earlier about how table objects scroll automatically,
>> arbitrarily lock and unlock text, exhibit weird behavior with data in the
>> cells that is visible actually different than the data that is there. I
>> found out that all you do is unselect the check mark "table object" and then
>> all is fine. You have a nice field with a grid that behaves normally.
>> 
>> So what is a "table object" and why would anyone want it?
> 
> A grid object is just a field with the vGrid and hGrid properties set to
>   true, but it has other additional features not handled by the engine
> to enable in-cell editing.
> 
> But if you don't need in-cell editing and are using it just to display
> lists as in a database, as you've discovered you can just use a normal
> field with the vGrid and hGrid set and you're good to go.
> 
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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Geoff Canyon]

More like twenty minutes of work and about ten lines of code. Anyone  
who wants to look can execute this in the message box:


go stack url "http://www.inspiredlogic.com/rev/clock.rev";

Most of the twenty minutes was spent trying to remember what radians  
are, by the way ;-)


I think I would refactor the code to use a generic degrees to radians  
function if I were going to spend another five minutes on it.


On May 27, 2005, at 10:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

a simple CLOCK FACE with a SECOND HAND ticking bytakes 100   
lines of CODE to ACHIEVEand DAYS of work




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Re: Learning things "table object"

[Bill]

Oh, sorry -- I see the difference now. I was just so happy to get rid of all
the problems. Having data appear to be there on top of other data that was
actually there was the final straw of weirdness. You can still select and
edit text without needing the cell to select like it does with a table
object and not having all those bugs and problems is just wonderful. I
highly recommend to anyone to never use the table object.


On 5/28/05 7:01 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bill wrote:
>> I was complaining earlier about how table objects scroll automatically,
>> arbitrarily lock and unlock text, exhibit weird behavior with data in the
>> cells that is visible actually different than the data that is there. I
>> found out that all you do is unselect the check mark "table object" and then
>> all is fine. You have a nice field with a grid that behaves normally.
>> 
>> So what is a "table object" and why would anyone want it?
> 
> A grid object is just a field with the vGrid and hGrid properties set to
>   true, but it has other additional features not handled by the engine
> to enable in-cell editing.
> 
> But if you don't need in-cell editing and are using it just to display
> lists as in a database, as you've discovered you can just use a normal
> field with the vGrid and hGrid set and you're good to go.
> 
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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list....(OT)

[Geoff Canyon]

Where did you find synopsis? I was looking out of curiosity, but  
reached the limit of my google skilz.


On May 27, 2005, at 12:12 PM, Jim MacConnell wrote:


I checked Synopsis (since someone
mentioned your clock face example alluded to it ) and it's Windows  
only?


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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list....(OT)

[Pat Trendler]

Synopsis is at:


Ben also mentions Limnor as being better (but mistakenly thinks that it is 
free)



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Where did you find synopsis? I was looking out of curiosity, but  reached 
the limit of my google skilz.


On May 27, 2005, at 12:12 PM, Jim MacConnell wrote:


I checked Synopsis (since someone
mentioned your clock face example alluded to it ) and it's Windows  only?


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[ANN] Property List Table version 2

[Dennis Brown]

All,

I rewrote the Property List Quick Guide to clean it up and improve it  
into something I am happy to present for general use.  It is now  
dinky in memory space, the headers do not scroll, the window is  
resizable.  In general it is a clean utility now.  That took twice as  
much work as writing it in the first place --and the script is  
practically nothing and just two fields and one button.  It is a lot  
easier to write something for ones self than for others!  I learned a  
lot of little details by going through the whole process of trying to  
make it presentable.  It is located in my (see3d) user space in  
revOnline.


I would like to add one more feature, but I don't have a clue how to  
do this.  I would like it to cause the documentation window in the  
IDE to search for the def of a property when I click on the name in  
the table.  Any ideas?


What next? Messages...

Dennis


On May 28, 2005, at 9:33 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Thanks Ken,

I will rewrite it once more using what I learned from your comments  
(and Richard's) to clean it up (in my own developing style) since  
others may look at it to learn from.  One thing is that it is too  
big.  That is because I could not find a small file for the VC and  
AC objects on my hard drive.  If anyone has a dinky one or knows  
how to make a dinky one (I never work with these) I will use it to  
make the stack much smaller since it might be used as a reference  
and kept around.



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BYU teaches Rev

[Stephen Barncard]

These folks at CHUM at BYU came up with some very nice documentation 
for rev. Seems to be very up to date! Has anyone else seen this? They 
even made up a special domain for their Rev stuff. I see a lotta love 
here. I'm bookmarking this. yet another resource...


they also have a link to Chipp's site.


http://revolution.byu.edu/
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Re: BYU teaches Rev

[Vjstbenz]

thankyou


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Second Take: More testers for PenTool v0.3.2a

[Alejandro Tejada]

Hi Developers and Educators,

Thanks to all of you, who send their screenshots
and specially to Malte and Xavier, that actually 
take a look at the code and found the cause of 
problems.

>From feedback, i notice a lot of Mac OS X
users had problems, but do not dispair if you
run it again and notice that there are still 
some bugs left. At least, many of you had
identified the source of the problems:
absolute paths and changed named of stacks. 

To check, find and report new bugs or to know
if bugs reported had been fixed, download 
penTool v032a from:



In this machine, i see that Export to illustrator
now works (the culprit was a "lost" handler).
The Info/Preferences stacks opens when you press
option-click over the corresponding tool 
(a stack names problem).
The Clickloc tool from the Transformation stack, 
now works fine (a pathnames problem).
The StartPen stack now ask for the file
pentool if could not find it (a pathnames problem).
In the color Palette the RGB/HVS sliders
now set themselves to the fill or line color.
(Enhancement).
i noticed some small annoyances, but next week,
i'll take care of them.

Please report all ocurrence of bugs, so i could
look for the problem and fix it or devise 
workarounds. Thanks in advance.

Have a nice weekend. :-)

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Re: [ANN] Property List Table version 2

[Mark Wieder]

Dennis-

Saturday, May 28, 2005, 6:33:36 PM, you wrote:

DB> I would like to add one more feature, but I don't have a clue how to
DB> do this.  I would like it to cause the documentation window in the
DB> IDE to search for the def of a property when I click on the name in
DB> the table.  Any ideas?

DB> What next? Messages...

Thanks. This is a great little tool to have around.

Unfortunately, you'll find that a lot of the property names just
aren't in the documentation as individual entries (yes, the
documentation *does* need work). Try finding "caption", for example.
Others are not easily pinpointed - try finding "name" and you'll come
up with many hits.

But if you want to give this a try, how about:

open stack "revdocs"
put targetString into field "Find" of stack "revdocs"
send "mouseUp" to button "Go" of stack "revdocs"

...and here's a hint: if you enable "Revolution UI elements in lists"
in the "View" menu you'll see all the IDE stacks in the Application
Browser. Then you can make some educated guesses about what's
controlling what and poke around to do all sorts of interesting
things.

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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Mark Wieder]

Geoff-

Saturday, May 28, 2005, 6:03:36 PM, you wrote:

GC> Most of the twenty minutes was spent trying to remember what radians
GC> are, by the way ;-)

Weren't they the aliens in "Earth vs the Flying Saucers"?

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