Re: Sockets

[Dave Cragg]

On 13 Dec 2005, at 01:40, Jim Hurley wrote:

Like Graham, I too would like to thank Alex and Dave for their  
detailed discussion of sockets.


I tried Dave's small handler and it worked well, but only  once. I  
went into the script to insert a break point so that I could step  
through it to see how it works, but it wouldn't work a second time.  
Even after I took the break point out, it still wouldn't work.


Looks like it got all wore out after one use.


I hope not. People will want their money back. :-)

The server script appears to be still running here, but I'm  
connecting over an internal network, and so use a different IP  
address from the one in the script I posted.


You'll have noticed a complete lack of error checking in the script I  
posted, and also on the server script if you managed to retrieve it.  
Error checking is lesson 2. :-) Unfortunately, I have to go Christmas  
shopping shortly (I promised), so I can't do much right now. You  
could add a socketError handler to the script. The sample handler in  
the Rev docs (under "socketError") should be fine.


Setting a breakpoint may not be so useful. I haven't tried this  
recently, but in the past I found it difficult (impossible) to use  
the debugger with asynchronous behavior like this. Instead, you might  
want to add lines to the script that record values to another field.


For example, add the following "log" handler

on logit pData
 put pData & return after field "log"
end logit

and then add log sttaements wherever you want to inspect something.  
For example:


on readLineOne pS
  logit "readLineOne" && pS ##DEBUG
  read from socket pS for one line with message "readmore"
end readLineOne

Cheers
Dave
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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH

[Judy Perry]

Ken,

(still sitting on the naughty stool):

I hear what you are saying... but your clarification only supports in a
way what I was _trying_ (albeit in a less than elegant way) to say:

It started as a use-thingy and then ended up as a philosophical-thingy.
That's just natural, how humans seemingly work.

And, as such, having a separate
naughty-stool/philosophical-thingy/whatever list would NOT have prevented
it from occuring.  Because these things are seemingly  evolvingly
organically (sp?) rather than as a
hierarchically-compartmentalized-occuring sort of fashion.

That's all I was trying to say (while being demonized/taken over by Ms.
Perry-Hyde, that is...).

down.. Down, boy.. er...!

Judy

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Ken Ray wrote:

> Actually, Judy, it really has nothing to do with newbies or not - it had to
> do with a thread that ended up talking about how RunRev ought to run their
> company. And while interesting at first, it became something that really
> belonged on another list, as the Use-Rev list is about using Revolution, not
> about marketing it.
>
> I for one am *glad* to have newbies on the list, because whenever I see
> someone post who hasn't posted before, that shows that the Rev user base ie
> expanding. And as they ask questions and get more knowledgeable, they in
> turn evangelize to others and even more newbies appear. And so it goes.
>
> Additionally, questions asked by newbies (and non-newbies) may seem to an
> experienced developer to have a "simple" answer, but by the time the thread
> is over, *everyone* has gotten something out of it (different approaches,
> more efficient ways to do the same thing, "gotchas" that we should be aware
> of, etc.).
>
> So it is valuable to have all levels of experience post to this list - but
> if it doesn't have anything to do with using Revolution, it belongs
> somewhere else, IMHO, and I'm glad Richard set up a group to continue the
> discussions about how Rev can be marketed, and suggestions to RunRev on what
> they should do.
>
> Anyway, that's my 2 cents,

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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Jim Ault]

Further note:
On OSX Tiger 10.4.2 + Rev 2.6.1  I find that I have to do the following:

get char 2 of fld storyLine
 put it into char 2  of fld storyLine

rather than just making the image go away by...
set the imageSource of char 2  of fld storyLine to empty

not sure why,  but I will be using this in the very near future.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On 12/12/05 10:52 PM, "Jim Ault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 12/12/05 9:50 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>
>> I like the charToNum idea too. But doesn't the -- put the imageSource
>> of char x of field "myfield" -- return blank if no imagesource is found?
> 
>  My quick thought was the idea that some text runs might contain invisible
> chars and confuse the visible character count.  And since logically, if a
> character is in a field, then it must have an ASCII value.  The imageSource
> will become visible if it is not empty.  Therefore, every char in a field
> will have an ASCII value, ...could be visible, ...and could also have an
> imageSource.  Exactly which ASCII value hidden behind an imageSource would
> not be evident without the chartonum() showing somewhere.
> 
> One very big advantage:  This could also lead to always making a high ASCII
> char the one you would set to an imageSource, so let's choose "†"... now you
> can operate on that character using Rev functions.
> 
> replace "†" with empty in fld storyline
> --would delete all images
> filter fld storyLine with "*†*"
> --would keep only those lines having that character
> get offset("†", fld storyLine) --locates the next character
> get lineOffset("†", fld storyLine) --would locate the next line, and so you
> could build a location list to all imageSource characters either SET or that
> you WANT TO SET to an image.
> 
> Its all about management and control.  Precious little of that flows toward
> me throughout the day :-)
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 12/12/05 9:50 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Jim,
>> 
>> I like the charToNum idea too. But doesn't the -- put the imageSource
>> of char x of field "myfield" -- return blank if no imagesource is found?
>> 
>> so
>> 
>> repeat for each char x of field "myField"
>> if the imageSource of char x of field "myField" is "" then
>> next repeat
>> else
>> put the imageSource of char x of field "myField" after lMyLocal
>> end if
>> end repeat
>> 
>> put lMyLocal into field "myList"
>> 
>> should work,,, NO
>> 
>> Not tested.
>> 
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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Jim Ault]

On 12/12/05 9:50 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>
> I like the charToNum idea too. But doesn't the -- put the imageSource
> of char x of field "myfield" -- return blank if no imagesource is found?

 My quick thought was the idea that some text runs might contain invisible
chars and confuse the visible character count.  And since logically, if a
character is in a field, then it must have an ASCII value.  The imageSource
will become visible if it is not empty.  Therefore, every char in a field
will have an ASCII value, ...could be visible, ...and could also have an
imageSource.  Exactly which ASCII value hidden behind an imageSource would
not be evident without the chartonum() showing somewhere.

One very big advantage:  This could also lead to always making a high ASCII
char the one you would set to an imageSource, so let's choose "†"... now you
can operate on that character using Rev functions.

replace "†" with empty in fld storyline
--would delete all images
filter fld storyLine with "*†*"
--would keep only those lines having that character
get offset("†", fld storyLine) --locates the next character
get lineOffset("†", fld storyLine) --would locate the next line, and so you
could build a location list to all imageSource characters either SET or that
you WANT TO SET to an image.

Its all about management and control.  Precious little of that flows toward
me throughout the day :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
 
 


On 12/12/05 9:50 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> I like the charToNum idea too. But doesn't the -- put the imageSource
> of char x of field "myfield" -- return blank if no imagesource is found?
> 
> so
> 
> repeat for each char x of field "myField"
> if the imageSource of char x of field "myField" is "" then
> next repeat
> else
> put the imageSource of char x of field "myField" after lMyLocal
> end if
> end repeat
> 
> put lMyLocal into field "myList"
> 
> should work,,, NO
> 
> Not tested.
> 
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OT The Wisdom of Crowds

[Erik Hansen]

there is a book called
The Wisdom of Crowds
that advocates bringing the largest
brain pool possible to bear
on any given problem.
this includes everyone from
the expert to the total rookie.

the author opposes consensus,
holds that disagreement and 
controversy generate the best results.

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Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Kathy Jaqua]

Jim and Tom

to avoid "return blank if no imagesource is found" I
am using the following:

on mouseDoubleDown
  local tIndex
  if the mouseCharChunk is empty then
exit mouseDoubleDown
  end if
  put the imageSource of the mouseCharChunk into
tIndex --id of image 
 
  if tIndex is not empty then
   send "addImage tIndex" to field "Selected Images"
of this card in 0 millisec
end mouseDoubleDown

the field "Selected Images" is where I show the select
imagesSources that a mouseDoubleDown generates. The
purpose is to build a stack with a library of chosen
images. 

This might actually work now with all the impute :-)

I needed the name of the imageSource so as to select
it and place it on the OS clipboard.

Thanks all...

Kathy Graves Jaqua
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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Jim,

I like the charToNum idea too. But doesn't the -- put the imageSource  
of char x of field "myfield" -- return blank if no imagesource is found?


so

repeat for each char x of field "myField"
if the imageSource of char x of field "myField" is "" then
next repeat
else
put the imageSource of char x of field "myField" after lMyLocal
end if
end repeat

put lMyLocal into field "myList"

should work,,, NO

Not tested.

Tom
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Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Kathy Jaqua]

Wow.. There is a God.

Thanks Thomas and Jacque It worked. 

Tom,  I  put the imageSource of the mouseCharChunk
into tIndex
so this was a BIG help. ( I have about a 1000 of these
imagesource and 
need to know which one the user might choose ;-) 

I think the Dali Lama impute help as well.

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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Jim Ault]

Yeah, Thomas, it would be easier as you suggest to generate a list of
[number of char, charToNum, imagesource] otherwise it could be difficult.
Good suggestion.  I suppose if one uses a lot of these, as in a library, it
might be good to create a reverse directory that includes the image, name,
id, (and for the meticulous) places occuring.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 12/12/05 9:25 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yeah but you have to know what char the imagesource is in to do it
> that way.
> 
> I suppose if you did not know you could do a repeat for each char and
> put that after a new field to see.
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:18 AM, Kathy Jaqua wrote:
> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> Could It really be that easy?  You rule...
>> 
>> 
>> I 'll try that and get back to you.
>> Ok, ok let's see put the ...char x of field...
>> 
>> T H A N K  Y O U
>> 
>> Kathy Graves Jaqua
>> 
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Re: CGI Sendmail function and spam

[Jim Ault]

Shoudn't you be able to queue for later delivery, then have Rev some how
send you an email letting you know what's in the queue, ...and then... you
send an email that Rev answers where the subject line triggers the release!
(or kills them)?

This way no mail goes before its time, and you are in control.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 12/12/05 9:21 PM, "Thomas McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I used my rev cgi to call the UNIX sendmail process last summer. My site was
> shut down by the provider shortly after on account of the enormous amout of
> emails being generated. I thought I'd fixed the problem but I'm afraid it
> might have happened again.
> 
> Are there any suggestions for securely using sendmail in a rev script?
> 
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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Yeah but you have to know what char the imagesource is in to do it  
that way.


I suppose if you did not know you could do a repeat for each char and  
put that after a new field to see.


Tom

On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:18 AM, Kathy Jaqua wrote:


Tom

Could It really be that easy?  You rule...


I 'll try that and get back to you.
Ok, ok let's see put the ...char x of field...

T H A N K  Y O U

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CGI Sendmail function and spam

[Thomas McCarthy]

I used my rev cgi to call the UNIX sendmail process last summer. My site was 
shut down by the provider shortly after on account of the enormous amout of 
emails being generated. I thought I'd fixed the problem but I'm afraid it might 
have happened again.

Are there any suggestions for securely using sendmail in a rev script?

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Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Kathy Jaqua]

Tom

Could It really be that easy?  You rule...


I 'll try that and get back to you.
Ok, ok let's see put the ...char x of field...

T H A N K  Y O U

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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Judy Perry]

Yeah, we (California State University, Fullerton) had him a while back...

Guess he's making the rounds...

Judy

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Actually his Holiness the Dali Lama was at Stanford last month.
>
> >Thanks all...
> >
> >Anyone know where the Dali Lama is right now?
> >The Pope per chance??

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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Kathy,

If you use inspection gadget and put your mouse over the imagesource  
it will tell you the ID and then you can get the name as described  
in  previous post.


Or you can : put the imagesource of char X of field "myfield"  --  
where x is the char of the field where the imagesource is in your field.


HTH

Tom


On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Kathy Jaqua wrote:


Ok Help

 Does anyOne or any Deity know how to get the name
of an image source once it is buried in a field??

Kathy Graves Jaqua
A Wildest Dream Software


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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Stephen Barncard]

Actually his Holiness the Dali Lama was at Stanford last month.


Thanks all...

Anyone know where the Dali Lama is right now? 
The Pope per chance??


And, I will try all the above suggestions.
Thanks

Kathy Graves Jaqua
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Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Kathy Jaqua]

Ok Help

 Does anyOne or any Deity know how to get the name 
of an image source once it is buried in a field??

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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[sims]

At 8:44 PM -0800 12/12/05, Judy Perry wrote:

Is Ganesh = Ganesha?  I know that in some languages, the 'ah' ending makes
it feminine, but I'm guessing it's not so with Sanskript (?)


Actually, I call him 'bob'. Like me, he likes to keep a low profile.

Getting back on the transcript trail...when I am testing scripts here,
I always use 'bob' or 'put bob' or if I am using a handler that I know will
be temporary as a test case I do 'on bob'. Helps me remember which
things I need to take out later (kind of weirdly like a 'strip & ship' thang').

So...I call him 'bob', he calls me 'sims'.

ciao,
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Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Kathy Jaqua]

Thanks all...

Anyone know where the Dali Lama is right now?  
The Pope per chance??

And, I will try all the above suggestions.
Thanks

Kathy Graves Jaqua
A Wildest Dream Software 


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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Stephen Barncard]

Hi Kathy (fellow SF resident)

I've been fooling around with storing entire stacks (with images) as 
text descriptions and had to fiddle with this. One needs to use the 
full path to get the name sometimes. What I've been doing lately is 
importing the images needed to my own library stack (or substack), 
then 'start using'.


then something like this should work:

get the name of image id 1363 of stack "/Users/sbarncar/Desktop/C H A 
T E A U/REV STACKS/20050919_prePackage_to/lib/libICONS.rev"


the full absolute path can be derived on the fly using 'the effective 
filename' and internal path of your stack or package.





Oh Christ...

If I have the id of an image stored in the stack image
Library how do I get the name of that image. The id is
stored in a variable I call "tIndex". How do I do
this?

Thanks

Kathy Graves Jaqua
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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Judy Perry]

Is Ganesh = Ganesha?  I know that in some languages, the 'ah' ending makes
it feminine, but I'm guessing it's not so with Sanskript (?)

Judy


> > Go with Ganesh, 'the remover of all obstacles'.
> > I have a nice statue of this elephant deity on my
> > desk keeping watch.
> >

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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Thomas McGrath III]

There's a new list for discussions of this nature

It is http://www.revdeity.com/deities.html




Just kidding ;-)

Tom

On Dec 12, 2005, at 11:32 PM, sims wrote:


At 8:31 PM -0800 12/12/05, Kathy Jaqua wrote:

I am going to try "Ohi" next...
Thank you for your concern and help


Go with Ganesh, 'the remover of all obstacles'.
I have a nice statue of this elephant deity on my
desk keeping watch.

ciao,
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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Andre Garzia]

On Dec 13, 2005, at 2:32 AM, sims wrote:


At 8:31 PM -0800 12/12/05, Kathy Jaqua wrote:

I am going to try "Ohi" next...
Thank you for your concern and help


Go with Ganesh, 'the remover of all obstacles'.
I have a nice statue of this elephant deity on my
desk keeping watch.



I do too!!! :-)

on my bedroom... next to my bed!!!

Cheers
andre



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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[sims]

At 8:31 PM -0800 12/12/05, Kathy Jaqua wrote:

I am going to try "Ohi" next...
Thank you for your concern and help


Go with Ganesh, 'the remover of all obstacles'.
I have a nice statue of this elephant deity on my
desk keeping watch.

ciao,
sims

European Rev Conference  2006
www.techietours.com
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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Judy Perry]

Does it really work???

;-p

Off to chant to deities...

Judy

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> You must be pretty frustrated if you are calling on deities. ;)

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Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Kathy Jaqua]

Jacqueline,

Yep...thats what I thought.  Yes I am... 
You have no idea... I have been working on the same
problem for two months now.

I am going to try "Ohi" next...
Thank you for your concern and help

Kathy Graves jaqua 


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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[J. Landman Gay]

Kathy Jaqua wrote:

Oh Christ...

If I have the id of an image stored in the stack image
Library how do I get the name of that image. The id is
stored in a variable I call "tIndex". How do I do
this?


Like so: the short name of img ID tIndex

You must be pretty frustrated if you are calling on deities. ;)

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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: DMX Stage lighting

[Stephen Barncard]

here's a site with all the MIDI specs:  -- click on HARDWARE for interface.




From: Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



 From the little I know about stage lighting - they use a dc voltage
(0-10v) to control dimmers. So to begin, you'd need an A-D controller
that can work with REV, such as the one describe earlier last week:


One whole bunch of dimmers I control, in a big house, use 0-10VDC 
per dimmer which we make in other ways. Another whole bunch of 
dimmers I control, in a theater, can use DMX-512. That is a looped, 
multiplexed, time-divided system (each device has an address (0-511) 
that determines its time slot. For all I know, common DMX-512 
interfaces may have 0-10VDC outputs.


Like Stephen says, its pretty easy to get at MIDI if you can do 
serial. Old mac serial ports could do it directly, but I haven't 
since.


-- Jerry Jensen


--
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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Re: Hidden Top layer objects "eat" the cursor

[Sivakatirswami]

mmm.. I have 2.6.1  and yes there are four groups of textual info and  
yes there are no cursor issues there. if three are hidden, even if on  
top of #4, the i-Beam appears.


I went through a painstaking layer test and it's very simple.

The main "background" image... which is a PNG file with a transparent  
"hole" in it will not allow the I-beam cursor to appear anywhere in  
the transparent area, if the vis of that image is on and the layer is  
higher, on top of, the text field. Oddly though, you *can* drag and  
select text...


Scott was right... if you hide the image, the i-beam will appear. but  
in this case the vis of the png is on... I think I can solve this  
with a little more precise layering, now that I understand it... if  
not, I throw in the towel and will go for separate cards... not my  
favorite dev strategy though...



Sivakatirswami







On Dec 12, 2005, at 7:11 AM, Ken Ray wrote:


On 12/12/05 3:30 AM, "Sivakatirswami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Right, I can open the field for editing, and even select text by
dragging across words... but the blinking I-beam text cursor does not
appear...this is disconcerting for the user... setting the layer of
the fld to the very top-front layer, and then the I-beam appears.



This sounds similar to a bug that was fixed (#1734) about  
overlapping groups

preventing the insertion point from displaying. Are you using 2.6.1?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Kathy Jaqua]

Oh Christ...

If I have the id of an image stored in the stack image
Library how do I get the name of that image. The id is
stored in a variable I call "tIndex". How do I do
this?

Thanks

Kathy Graves Jaqua
A Wildest Dream Software



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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH

[David Coker]

On 12/12/05, Sarah Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I for one am *glad* to have newbies on the list, because whenever I see
> > someone post who hasn't posted before, that shows that the Rev user base
> ie
> > expanding. And as they ask questions and get more knowledgeable, they in
> > turn evangelize to others and even more newbies appear. And so it goes.
> >
> > Additionally, questions asked by newbies (and non-newbies) may seem to
> an
> > experienced developer to have a "simple" answer, but by the time the
> thread
> > is over, *everyone* has gotten something out of it (different
> approaches,
> > more efficient ways to do the same thing, "gotchas" that we should be
> aware
> > of, etc.).
> >
>
> I completely agree with Ken's opinion on this, so I guess that makes 4
> cents :-)
>
> Sarah


...and on behalf of all the clueless newb's everywhere, Ken & Sarah, we
thank you!

-Dave-
President - C.N.C.O.A (Clueless Newbie's Club Of America)

=) =) =)
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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH

[Sarah Reichelt]

> I for one am *glad* to have newbies on the list, because whenever I see
> someone post who hasn't posted before, that shows that the Rev user base ie
> expanding. And as they ask questions and get more knowledgeable, they in
> turn evangelize to others and even more newbies appear. And so it goes.
>
> Additionally, questions asked by newbies (and non-newbies) may seem to an
> experienced developer to have a "simple" answer, but by the time the thread
> is over, *everyone* has gotten something out of it (different approaches,
> more efficient ways to do the same thing, "gotchas" that we should be aware
> of, etc.).
>

I completely agree with Ken's opinion on this, so I guess that makes 4 cents :-)

Sarah
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Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH

[Ken Ray]

On 12/12/05 8:04 PM, "Judy Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't think that setting up three or four or five (or ???) more
> separate rev-lists is going to change things markedly on the use list.
> Sure, the ueber-geeks just want to read clever code solutions and leave
> the stupid newbie questions to waste someone _else's_ time and
> productivity.  The clueless newbie's don't want to wade through obtuse
> coding challenges to figure out how to put a button on a card and they
> really don't want to be made to feel stupid.

Actually, Judy, it really has nothing to do with newbies or not - it had to
do with a thread that ended up talking about how RunRev ought to run their
company. And while interesting at first, it became something that really
belonged on another list, as the Use-Rev list is about using Revolution, not
about marketing it.

I for one am *glad* to have newbies on the list, because whenever I see
someone post who hasn't posted before, that shows that the Rev user base ie
expanding. And as they ask questions and get more knowledgeable, they in
turn evangelize to others and even more newbies appear. And so it goes.

Additionally, questions asked by newbies (and non-newbies) may seem to an
experienced developer to have a "simple" answer, but by the time the thread
is over, *everyone* has gotten something out of it (different approaches,
more efficient ways to do the same thing, "gotchas" that we should be aware
of, etc.).

So it is valuable to have all levels of experience post to this list - but
if it doesn't have anything to do with using Revolution, it belongs
somewhere else, IMHO, and I'm glad Richard set up a group to continue the
discussions about how Rev can be marketed, and suggestions to RunRev on what
they should do.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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You're Right -- It was HARSH

[Judy Perry]

Jim,

You're right.  It was wy harsh.  I absolutely should NOT have worded
things the way I did.

Richard:

I unequivocably apologize.

All:

It was strident even by my crabbiness standard.  My only defense, if it is
such, is that I find myself increasingly burdened and stressed out by
caring for a disabled former neighbor and her entirely dysfunctional
family (including an ex-husband who lives with her; he has a girlfriend
who, in turn, until rather recently, had a husband...; the 12-y.o.
daughter is flunking all her classes, runs wild, is very selfish and has
serious food issues).  The woman's disability is both mental and physical.
And financial.  Former addicts... whose other 'best friend' just landed in
the hospital for two weeks in a drug and alcohol-induced coma and serious
organ failure.

And, so I find myself at the wee hours end of the day trying to 'relax' by
reading email when I'm entirely annoyed with the world.

So, here is what I was trying to say in  my usually less than elegant way:

I don't think that setting up three or four or five (or ???) more
separate rev-lists is going to change things markedly on the use list.
Sure, the ueber-geeks just want to read clever code solutions and leave
the stupid newbie questions to waste someone _else's_ time and
productivity.  The clueless newbie's don't want to wade through obtuse
coding challenges to figure out how to put a button on a card and they
really don't want to be made to feel stupid.

It's nice to think that we can compartmentalize things neatly so as to
filter out all the stuff we don't want to be bothered with, but I don't
think compartmentalizing communications structures will really accomplish
this.

For instance, nobody (no, not even me!) gets up in the morning thinking,
"Wow!  I wonder what all the other grumpy people are thinking today?
Better go read my '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' mail!"  Similarly, they don't look
at their to-do list and find that #3 is "Go start incredible flamefest
about company Y's business practices."

The things that some find objectionable are nearly always related to:

*The docs/available help material
*Enterprise/professional users versus everybody else.
*Rev's business strategy
*General GUI/computers & ethical/philosophical issues

But I don't recall many that _started out_ that way; more often, they
percolated out of technical/use issues and/or cross-polinated from two or
more such issues.

Look at this thread -- it morphed out of Rev v. Something Else: The Clock
(redux).  Having another mail list wouldn't have prevented it.

Judy
(going back to sit on the naughty stool...)

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Jim Ault wrote:

> Well, Judy, all I can say is that this is a bit harsh, and it was a welcome
> relief that Richard posted this URL, and I feel quite appropriate for this
> list.  Now those who watch only this list can choose to add the other list
> or lists.  On my end, the cheering made my wife wonder what was happening.
> Establishing separate lists like this is very good.  Now we have a link to
> use in the future if new subscribers begin such a thread yet again..

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Re: Sockets

[Jim Hurley]

Like Graham, I too would like to thank Alex and Dave for their 
detailed discussion of sockets.


I tried Dave's small handler and it worked well, but only  once. I 
went into the script to insert a break point so that I could step 
through it to see how it works, but it wouldn't work a second time. 
Even after I took the break point out, it still wouldn't work.


Looks like it got all wore out after one use.

Jim
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more on bg debugging bug

[Timothy Miller]

(Sorry, Moderator. A few minutes ago, I sent this message from a 
non-subscribed address. I'll cancel the other, if I can.)


Several weeks ago, I BZ'd the problem with debugging bg scripts. (BZ 
#3086 -- consider voting for it.) Unless you're on card 1 of the 
background, the debugger just plain doesn't work.


Here's a new wrinkle. I was trying to debug a bg button script. It 
seemingly had nothing to do with the bg script. However, the button 
script did use a "go next" command.


As fate would have it, there is an "on openCard" handler in the bg 
script. Whenever I stepped into the "go next" line while debugging 
the button script, the "on openCard" handler in the bg script would 
be invoked...


Is "invoked" the right term? "Called"? What?

Anyway, if using "step into" the debugger would try to step through 
the bg sript's "on openCard" handler. But the debugger doesn't work 
on background scripts. So, the debugger misbehaved. The script editor 
windows remain open, the debugging buttons disappear, and the script 
runs to conclusion, without any commentary from the IDE. It happens 
so fast, it's not real obvious what's going wrong. It's not a big 
surprise, now that I've had time to think it over.


I've heard there are alternative debuggers available. 
Recommendations? Where to find?



Cheers,


Tim
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Re: DMX Stage lighting

[Jerry J]

From: Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



 From the little I know about stage lighting - they use a dc voltage
(0-10v) to control dimmers. So to begin, you'd need an A-D controller
that can work with REV, such as the one describe earlier last week:


One whole bunch of dimmers I control, in a big house, use 0-10VDC per  
dimmer which we make in other ways. Another whole bunch of dimmers I  
control, in a theater, can use DMX-512. That is a looped, multiplexed,  
time-divided system (each device has an address (0-511) that determines  
its time slot. For all I know, common DMX-512 interfaces may have  
0-10VDC outputs.


Like Stephen says, its pretty easy to get at MIDI if you can do serial.  
Old mac serial ports could do it directly, but I haven't since.


-- Jerry Jensen


Hardware Control consoles for this purpose are incredibly cheap, like
cheap audio mixers.
This unit here costs $200, and uses MIDI for control. Perhaps this
might be part of your solution -- then all you need it a
USB-To-Serial dongle  and a way to adapt it to a MIDI connector..
http://froogle.google.com/froogle_cluster? 
q=DMX+stage+lighting&pid=4831398326042607349&oid=1414116561199851882&bt 
nG=Search+Froogle&lmode=&addr=&scoring=p&hl=en



I wonder if anyone has used rev with DMX for stage Lighting. I am
interested in using it of this product if posable any advice would
greatly be appreciated.
Liam Lambert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
IRELAND


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Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)

[Mark Wieder]

Dave-

Monday, December 12, 2005, 12:00:26 PM, you wrote:

> Right now we have created a database in PostgreSQL that maps the dBase
> files as close as we can and have written a "conversion" program to 
> create an "import" file to update these PostgreSQL tables with. We also
> have a set of "normalized" tables in the same PostgreSQL database and we
> "massage" the data into them every night. We do the same thing the other
> way, back to some of the dBase tables. We are working with 2 systems at
> one time, chopping off some stuff from the old dBase system and writing
> models in the "new" PostgreSQL system. We want to use Rev for the 
> end-users and are creating little pieces at a time but we don't want to
> get to far if we can work the MVC in...

The hard part is getting from the old .prg files into a different
paradigm.

Dave Bovill and I have taken somewhat different approaches to a runrev
implementation of an MVC architecture. I'm not sure if Dave's made his
public yet, but you can see mine on revonline. You may not like it if
you're used to a traditional MVC construct, as I've turned it some 90
degrees and put the burden on the model rather than the controller,
but I think it fits with xtalk better that way. At any rate it may
give you some ideas of how you want to implement things.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: SQL Statement in Rev Wipes Out Table

[Mark Wieder]

Trevor-

Monday, December 12, 2005, 10:51:15 AM, you wrote:

> revDataFromQuery should work correctly in this context since it will
> return the text of the result of the query which should be the number
> of records in the table.  revExecuteSQL won't return the value Adam
> is after since it just executes the sql, no SELECT statements allowed.

Dang. You're correct - serves me right for typing without testing
first.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Button hilites

[Graham Samuel]

It appears to me that if a button has style 'push button', then when  
hilited, its hilite color only shows up on the Mac and not the PC;  
whereas if the style is 'square button', then you get the color on  
both platforms. Can anyone else confirm this?


The RR docs has this on button styles:


The style of a button is one of the following:
* standard: the standard button for the current lookAndFeel setting
	* transparent: no border; name is displayed but background is  
transparent

* opaque: background is the opaque backgroundColor of the button
* rectangle: opaque rectangular or square button with a border
* roundRect: opaque rectangular or square button with rounded corners
* shadow: opaque rectangular or square button with a drop shadow
* menu: a menu whose appearance is set by the menuMode property
* checkbox: a checkbox option button
* radioButton: a radio button


note that 'push' and 'square' aren't mentioned , even though they  
both appear in the 'style' popup in the property inspector for a  
button. Fairly obviously, 'square' is a synonym for 'rectangle' in  
this context, but which one is 'push'?


I'm confused (again).

TIA

Graham

 
---

Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France

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Re: Sockets

[Graham Samuel]

This is just a quick 'thank you' to Alex Tweedly and Dave Cragg for  
their very educational mails. I will experiment shortly and get back  
to the list when (not if) I get into a muddle.


Graham


 
---

Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France

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Re: Rev Evangelist? (was Re: Why is Konfabulator "Pretty?")

[Björnke von Gierke]

On Dec 12 2005, at 19:43, Todd Higgins wrote:


What has happened to Ro Nagey?  I thought he was the Rev evangelist?
...


Not anymore.
unfortunately that's all i know about it

--

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev";


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Re: Rev and open source (was "What Rev Needs")

[Marielle Lange]

Dear Wolfgang,

Many thanks for your interest and encouragement. I have now written a  
page that describes this "universal unix script runner" stack and how  
it works:



I will test it this week on a variety of unix scripts. Persons ready  
to volunteer for Beta Testing can contact me privately (to avoid to  
innundate this list).


Cheers,
Marielle



Not too loud that's an idea I am working on, using revolution  
to both rapidly define (scripter side) and rapidly present (user  
side) visual interfaces used to define parameters to Unix scripts.  
A not so detailed overview at:  and . More  
details to follow soon.





Congratiulation Marielle,
you got it!
pls be *very loud*!!

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

T-mapping© is PhotoLearning Mindmaps!
...
http://www.internettrainer.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria
Tel: ++43/1/ 479 6410
Fax: ++43/1/ 955 14 64-198


 


Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage
http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/

Easy access to lexical databaseshttp://lexicall.org
Supporting Education Technologists  http:// 
revolution.lexicall.org/wiki





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RE: revxml classic

[Don Toro]

Is the revxml library included in the executable or is a standalone file that I 
need to copy somewhere? It runs fine in development mode. 

I took Sarah's advice and I read the file into a variable and created the table 
from the variable. I also made sure that the file was saved as a Macintosh text 
file just in case. It still did not work. I can read the file and put the 
contents into a field and everything is in there. I will try a few more things 
and then problably use Ken's XML Library.

Don


-Original Message-
From: Andre Garzia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 3:52 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: revxml classic


I am moving almost all my xml projects to Ken Ray XML Library, I  
simply love it, and since it's 100% transcript so it will work in any  
place Rev would run...

Cheers
andre

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Re: Download and save .doc file

[Flavel Steve]

On 13/12/2005, at 5:36 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


I have successfully downloaded and saved  .jpg, .gif and .htm files
but I have only partial success on .doc, and .pdf files.

How do you download and save .doc and .pdf files?



Hi Steve,

There shouldn't be any difference. .htm files are just text but all
the other file types you mention are binary files and should download
fine so long as you remember to save them as binfiles, not just as
files.

Thanks Sarah adding "for binary write" solved the problem
--open file tFile for binary write


I see you are on a Mac, so before saving, set the fileType to empty.
That causes the Finder to work out what sort of file it is based on
the extension.

I did not know that, now my files know who they are.


When you say it only partially works, but are the problems you
encounter? You do know that Rev won't be able to open those file
types?

Yes I found that out

 regards

Steve


Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Handler/Function with same name

[Mark Smith]

Well I take your point, especially if others were going to use my  
library.
In any case, I've renamed them fTrim and hTrim, respectively, since  
they serve a similar purpose, and that's probably enough to prevent  
me from shooting myself in the foot, as well as avoiding any  
potential difficulty with the engine, later on.


Mark

On 12 Dec 2005, at 18:48, Mark Wieder wrote:


Mark-

Sunday, December 11, 2005, 4:50:29 PM, you wrote:


Do they not do the same thing?
I see that the handler modifies the string passed to it, while the
function
returns a similarly modified copy of the string passed to it, but
that was
the point of it.
Or am I missing something?


No, that's exactly my point.

trim myString
put trim(myString) into someOtherString

will modify two different strings. In the incarnation of this
operation as a function myString is not modified, and it's not
immediately apparent why not, since the command version does modify
it.

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Re: Download and save .doc file

[Thomas McGrath III]

Are you talking about from within Rev? If so I don't know about  
the .doc but on OSX you can print to .pdf in a standard print dialog.


Tom

On Dec 12, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Flavel Steve wrote:


Hi listers

Here is a newbie coding question.

I have successfully downloaded and saved  .jpg, .gif and .htm files  
but I have only partial success on .doc, and .pdf files.


How do you download and save .doc and .pdf files?

TIA

Steve  Flavel



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Re: Download and save .doc file

[Andre Garzia]

might be the case of using file:// instead of binfile://  PDF and DOC  
will have trouble if written as text...


Cheers
andre
On Dec 12, 2005, at 7:36 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


I have successfully downloaded and saved  .jpg, .gif and .htm files
but I have only partial success on .doc, and .pdf files.

How do you download and save .doc and .pdf files?



Hi Steve,

There shouldn't be any difference. .htm files are just text but all
the other file types you mention are binary files and should download
fine so long as you remember to save them as binfiles, not just as
files.

I see you are on a Mac, so before saving, set the fileType to empty.
That causes the Finder to work out what sort of file it is based on
the extension.

When you say it only partially works, but are the problems you
encounter? You do know that Rev won't be able to open those file
types?

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: revxml classic

[Andre Garzia]

I am moving almost all my xml projects to Ken Ray XML Library, I  
simply love it, and since it's 100% transcript so it will work in any  
place Rev would run...


Cheers
andre

On Dec 12, 2005, at 7:41 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

I have an application that uses revxml. The executables work fine  
in Mac OS X and Windows useing Rev 2.6.1 but I am having problems  
in Mac OS 9. Where can I find the revxml version for Mac OS 9?  
Thanks.




I have encountered two problems using revXML with OS 9.
Firstly the file paths are different.
Secondly, it doesn't like creating a table from a file, so you need to
read the file into memory and create a table from the variable. (This
may just be a complication of point 1).

If you like to have a look at my XML tutorial, I think it has ways
around these problems.


Cheers,
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Re: revxml classic

[Sarah Reichelt]

> I have an application that uses revxml. The executables work fine in Mac OS X 
> and Windows useing Rev 2.6.1 but I am having problems in Mac OS 9. Where can 
> I find the revxml version for Mac OS 9? Thanks.
>

I have encountered two problems using revXML with OS 9.
Firstly the file paths are different.
Secondly, it doesn't like creating a table from a file, so you need to
read the file into memory and create a table from the variable. (This
may just be a complication of point 1).

If you like to have a look at my XML tutorial, I think it has ways
around these problems.


Cheers,
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Re: Download and save .doc file

[Sarah Reichelt]

> I have successfully downloaded and saved  .jpg, .gif and .htm files
> but I have only partial success on .doc, and .pdf files.
>
> How do you download and save .doc and .pdf files?
>

Hi Steve,

There shouldn't be any difference. .htm files are just text but all
the other file types you mention are binary files and should download
fine so long as you remember to save them as binfiles, not just as
files.

I see you are on a Mac, so before saving, set the fileType to empty.
That causes the Finder to work out what sort of file it is based on
the extension.

When you say it only partially works, but are the problems you
encounter? You do know that Rev won't be able to open those file
types?

Cheers,
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RE: Rev Dinner in Portland - Wednesday

[Lynn Fredricks]

> This coming Wednesday, Dec, 14, I'll be in Portland, Oregon, 
> visiting a client site with Paul Looney.  That evening we're 
> having dinner with Rev notables Jeanne DeVoto, Phil Davis, 
> and possibly Brian Thomas.
> 
> If any of you are in Portland and would like to share a meal 
> and some Rev chat this Wednesday, please send me an email and 
> once we determine the restaurant we'll let you know.
> 
> Looking forward to see you then -

Im available as long as it can be about 6:30 or later. We are out in
Beaverton so it takes a while to get into the city.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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Re: Hidden Top layer objects "eat" the cursor

[Ken Ray]

On 12/12/05 3:30 AM, "Sivakatirswami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Right, I can open the field for editing, and even select text by
> dragging across words... but the blinking I-beam text cursor does not
> appear...this is disconcerting for the user... setting the layer of
> the fld to the very top-front layer, and then the I-beam appears.

This sounds similar to a bug that was fixed (#1734) about overlapping groups
preventing the insertion point from displaying. Are you using 2.6.1?

Ken Ray
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Download and save .doc file

[Flavel Steve]

Hi listers

Here is a newbie coding question.

I have successfully downloaded and saved  .jpg, .gif and .htm files  
but I have only partial success on .doc, and .pdf files.


How do you download and save .doc and .pdf files?

TIA

Steve  Flavel



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Re: Handler/Function with same name

[David Burgun]

On 12/11/05 12:12 PM, "Mark Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 But I wonder if anyone knows of a good reason why one shouldn't have
 a function and a handler with the same name?


Confusion, perhaps? Suppose your 'trim' function did some things that your
'trim' handler didn't... and here it is 6 months later, and you can't
remember which to use...


Just make the handler call the function, that way they will stay in sync!



Plus, you never know if the engine will be updated later to prevent this
from happening for some reason...



Ok, this is a better reason!

All the Best
Dave
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Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)

[Dave LeYanna]

Right now we have created a database in PostgreSQL that maps the dBase 
files as close as we can and have written a "conversion" program to 
create an "import" file to update these PostgreSQL tables with. We also 
have a set of "normalized" tables in the same PostgreSQL database and we 
"massage" the data into them every night. We do the same thing the other 
way, back to some of the dBase tables. We are working with 2 systems at 
one time, chopping off some stuff from the old dBase system and writing 
models in the "new" PostgreSQL system. We want to use Rev for the 
end-users and are creating little pieces at a time but we don't want to 
get to far if we can work the MVC in...


Dave

Mark Wieder wrote:


Dave-

Monday, December 12, 2005, 7:47:09 AM, you wrote:

 


I really would like to use MVC if I can because I am on the brink of a
LARGE project that needs to last a long time and go through a lot of
contortions by many different programmers over it's lifetime. We are a
non-profit and I am "converting" an old FoxPro for DOS system that was
started in the 80s (and still runs in a DOS window... on a 50 user 
network with some data access provided to 5 other offices across the state.
   



Interesting project. I started on a dbf library a while back to do
similar conversions. Luckily the syntax in the .prg files is fairly
similar to xtalk (verb, object, parameters) and there are relatively
straightforward mappings of functions. Plus the .dbf file format is
well-documented.

 




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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Alex Tweedly]

Roger Guay wrote:



IMO, I think it's possible, but I think it's more labor to get it  to 
work in
Rev than in Flash, and I'm not sure the filesize would weigh in as  
low as

the Flash file.  But it is definitely possible.



Can you suggest a way to do the final scene with the snow falling?


Take a look at Revonline
username : alextweedly
category : Games
stack : Snow falling

It's a bit of a hack (ok, it's a lot of a hack), but demonstrates how 
you could do it.

Uses polygons with markers (one polygon for each size of snowflake).

It would look much better with a background image - but that's the bit 
I'd find hardest ...


If you were doing this for real, you wouldn't copy/paste the whole 
script between the two buttons :-) :-)


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Re: SQL Statement in Rev Wipes Out Table

[Trevor DeVore]

On Dec 12, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Monday, December 12, 2005, 5:12:46 AM, you wrote:

put revDataFromQuery(,,myDB,"SELECT COUNT(*) FROM myTable") into  
myCount



And I want to see the result by using:



answer myCount


Well I get zero (0).  The data in the table is gone after I  
execute that


Hmm, this works on my end.  I tested on OS X.4 running MySQL 4.1.   
Not sure why you are losing all of your data.  This seems really odd.



Can't tell you why your data has gone missing, but...

I don't think revDataFromQuery() is really what you want here. Try

put revExecuteSQL(myDB, "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM myTable") into myCount

or create a recordset and use revNumberOfRecords():

revQueryDatabase(myRS, "SELECT * from myTable") into myRS
put revNumberOfRecords(myRS) into myCount


revDataFromQuery should work correctly in this context since it will  
return the text of the result of the query which should be the number  
of records in the table.  revExecuteSQL won't return the value Adam  
is after since it just executes the sql, no SELECT statements allowed.



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Rev Evangelist? (was Re: Why is Konfabulator "Pretty?")

[Todd Higgins]

What has happened to Ro Nagey?  I thought he was the Rev evangelist?

Todd
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On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


I hope you guys keep carrying this forward. This is very exciting and
exactly the kind of thing that a Rev evangelist, if such a person  
existed,

would salivate over being able to show.


~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"

From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html

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Re: Handler/Function with same name

[Mark Wieder]

Mark-

Sunday, December 11, 2005, 4:50:29 PM, you wrote:

> Do they not do the same thing?
> I see that the handler modifies the string passed to it, while the  
> function
> returns a similarly modified copy of the string passed to it, but  
> that was
> the point of it.
> Or am I missing something?

No, that's exactly my point.

trim myString
put trim(myString) into someOtherString

will modify two different strings. In the incarnation of this
operation as a function myString is not modified, and it's not
immediately apparent why not, since the command version does modify
it.

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Re: (no subject)

[Stephen Barncard]

From the little I know about stage lighting - they use a dc voltage 
(0-10v) to control dimmers. So to begin, you'd need an A-D controller 
that can work with REV, such as the one describe earlier last week:



Hardware Control consoles for this purpose are incredibly cheap, like 
cheap audio mixers.
This unit here costs $200, and uses MIDI for control. Perhaps this 
might be part of your solution -- then all you need it a 
USB-To-Serial dongle  and a way to adapt it to a MIDI connector..

http://froogle.google.com/froogle_cluster?q=DMX+stage+lighting&pid=4831398326042607349&oid=1414116561199851882&btnG=Search+Froogle&lmode=&addr=&scoring=p&hl=en

I wonder if anyone has used rev with DMX for stage Lighting. I am 
interested in using it of this product if posable any advice would 
greatly be appreciated.

Liam Lambert
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Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)

[Mark Wieder]

Dave-

Monday, December 12, 2005, 7:47:09 AM, you wrote:

> I really would like to use MVC if I can because I am on the brink of a
> LARGE project that needs to last a long time and go through a lot of
> contortions by many different programmers over it's lifetime. We are a
> non-profit and I am "converting" an old FoxPro for DOS system that was
> started in the 80s (and still runs in a DOS window... on a 50 user 
> network with some data access provided to 5 other offices across the state.

Interesting project. I started on a dbf library a while back to do
similar conversions. Luckily the syntax in the .prg files is fairly
similar to xtalk (verb, object, parameters) and there are relatively
straightforward mappings of functions. Plus the .dbf file format is
well-documented.

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Re: SQL Statement in Rev Wipes Out Table

[Mark Wieder]

Adam-

Monday, December 12, 2005, 5:12:46 AM, you wrote:

> put revDataFromQuery(,,myDB,"SELECT COUNT(*) FROM myTable") into myCount

> And I want to see the result by using:

> answer myCount

> Well I get zero (0).  The data in the table is gone after I execute that

Can't tell you why your data has gone missing, but...

I don't think revDataFromQuery() is really what you want here. Try

put revExecuteSQL(myDB, "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM myTable") into myCount

or create a recordset and use revNumberOfRecords():

revQueryDatabase(myRS, "SELECT * from myTable") into myRS
put revNumberOfRecords(myRS) into myCount

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Re: "use-rev" means "using Rev" (was 10,000 other threads)

[Stephen Barncard]

Judy, that's just not fair. Richard is not Runrev, so who's left to 
'receive' the rant/message if it's not personal? Is this a 
passive/aggressive thing?


 Richard was trying to solve a congestion problem for this list - and 
I agree with him that this 'geeky' list does exactly what it is 
supposed to do.  Most of us are NOT stockholders, and we can't tell 
RR how to run their business. And finally threads about how to change 
their core business model was getting tedious and boring, to most of 
us. I barely have time to read the list as it is... I think Richard's 
suggestion was totally appropriate.


sqb



But, Richard,

(and, this isn't personal, against you. or anyone else) but:

This, in turn, really does mean:

Piss off! We don't want to deal with you.  Please go shout into the
canyons.  We don't want to hear from you.  We only want to hear how to
solve _our_ specific, geeky, programming-only queries.

Piss off again.

If you have to ask "why" then you don't belong here.

If you have to ask "why not", then you REALLY don't belong here.

Posting a URL to a spit-in-the-wind forum really does mean all of the
above.

Part of 'using' (in terms of the use-list) Rev really does encompass why
what's there isn't useful.

This isn't personal...  Really.  I don't think that you've offered the URL
in the spirit I've outlined above, but I can outline why that might be how
it's taken.

Judy



On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:


 For the sake of the use-rev list and its readers, please consider moving
 this and related threads to the rv-biz list:

 


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Desperately seeking audio solution

[Anthony Hughes (sent by Nabble.com)]

We are used to developing our e-learning apps with the Macromedia family 
(particularly Flash, Director, Dreamweaver) and we use a Flash wrapper to build 
standalone apps called ZINC from MultiDMedia which has worked well for most 
projects. However, we now need to build into an app a pronunication assistant 
(play and record wav or MP3 - see wav forms visuaulised to compare student 
recording with original etc) - Flash does not have any capability to record and 
Director, although it has a plugin to enable this (at about the same cost as 
Revolution) we are not enthusing about for this project as we are keen to 
really leverage a desktop + web-based application where our users have a lot 
more functionality within the desktop environemnt for record keeping, tracking 
lessons, communicating with tutors, dwonloading new lessons etc - We are now 
looking at ways to build a standalone wrapper with this assistant built into it 
and which can call into the app our existing Flash modules + the web based 
material - Revolution **looks** like it may be the solution but I can't find 
any info on building what we need (other than I note that it can record and 
play audio - I can't find a visualition add-on for the wav/mp3 files etc.) Does 
anyone have any experience with this - we're looking for the missing link here! 
Any help would be greatly appreciated - we'd also like to know if Revolution 
really is worth our while investing in - we won't be moving away from 
Flash/Macromedia (Adobe) but we are definately looking more and more at 
desktop+online applications.
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Re: "use-rev" means "using Rev" (was 10,000 other threads)

[Jim Ault]

On 12/11/05 11:27 PM, "Judy Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But, Richard,
> Piss off! We don't want to deal with you.
> Posting a URL to a spit-in-the-wind forum really does mean all of the
> above.
> This isn't personal...  Really.  I don't think that you've offered the URL
> in the spirit I've outlined above, but I can outline why that might be how
> it's taken.
> Judy

Well, Judy, all I can say is that this is a bit harsh, and it was a welcome
relief that Richard posted this URL, and I feel quite appropriate for this
list.  Now those who watch only this list can choose to add the other list
or lists.  On my end, the cheering made my wife wonder what was happening.
Establishing separate lists like this is very good.  Now we have a link to
use in the future if new subscribers begin such a thread yet again..

Thanks Richard.  I will not be joining the new group, but I am very happy
your took the action that will satisfy so many.

A tool we can use, but hopefully will not have the need.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Window Positioning - better late than never!

[Mathewson]

I am sorry, Adam, to take such a time . . .

however you can download a 'full-on' demonstration of
Window-Positioning (TL.rev.zip) at the new Yahoo Group I
have set up for discussing graphic-related topics in
connexion with RR:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RRgraphix/

sincerely, Richmond
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Re: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)

[Jim Ault]

>> start using stack "X"   places stack "X" ahead of all other library
>> stacks in the message chain; but it will not place it ahead of the
>> topStack.  The images may need to be on card 1 if the stack is in
>> use but otherwise unopened.
Hi, Paul,

Don't confuse the "script of an object in the hierarchy" with the order of
stack windows you ³see².

Invoking 'start using' places the *stack script* of that stack in the
*message* hierarchy, not the stack itself.

Construct a reference to a stack by name and that will be the location
eg "image 1 of card id 1265 of stack "Image Lib People"

Also
 if stored in a different folder use
³/Users/MyLogin/Documents/RevLibStacks/ImageLib.rev² for example.
In Rev, the filePath is the location and name of the file or folder whose
long equivalent you want.
put the longfilepath of the filename of this stack
If you specify a name but not a location, Revolution assumes the stack is in
the defaultFolder.

Getting a script in the message hierarchy could be
--start using stack "whatever"
 --insert the script of btn 3 of card 1 of stack "ImageLib" into back
 -- insert the script of card 1 of stack "ImageLib" into front
 -- insert the script of stack "ImageLib" into front
but regardless of the handler location, you must reference the correct
stack, card, object.

By the way, you can reference an object on card 22 of stack ³ImageLib²
without opening the stack.
Try it and see if it works.

Returns a list of the names of all stacks that are loaded into memory.
revLoadedStacks([whichStacks])
--try these in the msg box
put revLoadedStacks()
put revLoadedStacks(all)

HTH
Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 12/12/05 7:47 AM, "Rob Cozens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 

> 
> I am referencing images in the library stack as button icon ids in
> the current stack.  This works fine here on Mac OS & Windows.
> 
> One other possibility: to see the images change without opening a
> different card, one may need to script something like
> 
>  start using stack "myImageLibrary"
>  repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons
>  set the icon of button x to (the icon of button x")
>  end repeat
> 
> Rob Cozens, CCW
> Serendipity Software Company
> 
> Vive R Revolution!
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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Roger Guay]

Rececntly, Scott Rossi wrote:

IMO, I think it's possible, but I think it's more labor to get it  
to work in
Rev than in Flash, and I'm not sure the filesize would weigh in as  
low as

the Flash file.  But it is definitely possible.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


Can you suggest a way to do the final scene with the snow falling?


Recently, Mark Swindell wrote:
Here's a card done with Flash which my wife thought darling.  Could
it be accomplished in Rev? How close could you get?
-Mark

http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=0212320003



Cheers, Roger


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Re: Wrap text around images in text fields

[Ken Ray]

On 12/12/05 3:36 AM, "Sivakatirswami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I want text to wrap around an image in a text field... doable or not?

Not automatically... you can set the imageSource of the first char to an
image, and even use textShift on that char to move the image up/down from
the baseline of the text. You can also create a "hanging indent" by setting
the margins of the field to something like ,8,8,8 and then
set the firstIndent of the field to like ((-1*) +
).

The above approach will create a field with an image in the upper-left of
the field, with text starting right after the right edge of the image, and
all text wrapping to that same point (so there's nothing below the image).

This is about the best that can be done (other than manually inserting CRs
and tabs), and doesn't wrap around the image (it kind of makes the image act
as a drop cap), since we don't have paragraph-level formatting.

This is all from my head, so you'd have to adjust things a few pixels here
and there.

HTH,


Ken Ray
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Re: Text database using custom properties

[Jerry Muelver]

To: "How to use Revolution"
Subject: Re: Text database using custom properties



Dom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Take also a look to VoodooPad... there is free "Lite" version, but the
interesting features belong only to the full version...


I forgot a link:

http://www.flyingmeat.com/voodoopad/



Hmmm Looks like my first RR project WikiRev, due for exposure in a 
couple of days, as soon as I finish using it to write its own docs. Also 
looks like my own WikiWriter at http://hytext.com/ww which is Windows-only 
but inspired my efforts to work on a cross-platform version in RR.


Great minds, parallel thoughts

 Jerry Muelver 


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Re: Text database using custom properties

[Jim Ault]

On 12/12/05 6:29 AM, "Dom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The puzzling thing, is that after testing note taking apps, I always
> return after a time to plain text notes (sorted by gross categories and
> dates -- year, month)
> 
Agreed.  I use a very large, single document that I open in BBEdit.  This
allows Find All and a variable format for anything I want to enter.  Fast,
simple, copy-paste web page order confirmations, cr cd purchases, shipping
info, my tennis buddies list is in one paragraph, etc.
Doesn't do graphics, but can store a link to a pdf or jpg, etc.

I start with the premise that databases are excellent at hiding information.
Of course, they are excellent at retrieving and organizing stuff, but that
is not what I usually need.  They also require structure, and that is rarely
what I need :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

> Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Well, depending on how much this is a labor of love vs need-to-get-it-
>> running-soon, you might check out NoteTaker.  Dan Shafer recommended it and
>> I decided very quickly to buy it.
>> www.aquaminds.com
>> 
>> Very powerful, and does automatic indexing on
>> Categories, Date, Documents, Email addresses, last changed, numbers,
>> priority, Proper Words, Text, Web Sites.
> 
> Take also a look to VoodooPad... there is free "Lite" version, but the
> interesting features belong only to the full version...
> 
>> 
>> Each entry in the outline can even display an active web page of the link it
>> contains.
>> 
>> But if you are like most of us...
>>  building your own is what appeals to you :-)
> 
> Same thinking about VoodooPad... I reached the limit with the full
> version, but not yet decided to buy it... why not writing a similar
> thing in Rev???
> 
> But I am not so fluent in Rev ;->
> Although I wrote years ago something equivalent in HyperCard...
> 
> The puzzling thing, is that after testing note taking apps, I always
> return after a time to plain text notes (sorted by gross categories and
> dates -- year, month)


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revxml classic

[Don Toro]

Hi,

I have an application that uses revxml. The executables work fine in Mac OS X 
and Windows useing Rev 2.6.1 but I am having problems in Mac OS 9. Where can I 
find the revxml version for Mac OS 9? Thanks.

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DMX Stage lighting

[liamlambert]

I posted this again I forgot the subject
I wonder if anyone has used rev with DMX for stage Lighting. I am
interested in using it of this product if posable any advice would
greatly be appreciated.

Liam Lambert
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(no subject)

[liamlambert]

I wonder if anyone has used rev with DMX for stage Lighting. I am  
interested in using it of this product if posable any advice would  
greatly be appreciated.

Liam Lambert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Set the icon to (icon of another stack)

[Rob Cozens]

Hi Paul,

start using stack "X"   places stack "X" ahead of all other library 
stacks in the message chain; but it will not place it ahead of the 
topStack.  The images may need to be on card 1 if the stack is in 
use but otherwise unopened.


I am referencing images in the library stack as button icon ids in 
the current stack.  This works fine here on Mac OS & Windows.


One other possibility: to see the images change without opening a 
different card, one may need to script something like


start using stack "myImageLibrary"
repeat with x = 1 to the number of buttons
set the icon of button x to (the icon of button x")
end repeat

Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company

Vive R Revolution!  


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Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?']

[Rob Cozens]

Stephen,



Jean-Louis Gasse

 as with the original HC, Apple management didn't get it...with one 
exception: the person who preceeded Jobs' second coming.  It's been 
too long for me to remember his name


Gil Amillio (?; sp?)


I'm pretty sure it wasn't Gasse.

Did Amillio (sp?) preceed Job's third comming?

Rob Cozens CCW
Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
 Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

 from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) 


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Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)

[Dave LeYanna]

David;

I read a little about the benefits of using MVC but I had a little 
trouble mapping that paradigm to Rev. One of the major issues wasn't 
really Rev related but really needed to be thought through and I came up 
blank and confused. I want to store as much business logic as I could in 
the main storage platform which is PostgreSQL as stored procedures and 
triggers. I also want the flexibility to use SQLite on the desktop so I 
have to be able to have it in the controller


How do I use Rev, local desktop SQLite and PostgreSQL and PostgreSQL 
stored procedures and triggers?


I just thought that you may have worked this kind of thing out.

I really would like to use MVC if I can because I am on the brink of a 
LARGE project that needs to last a long time and go through a lot of 
contortions by many different programmers over it's lifetime. We are a 
non-profit and I am "converting" an old FoxPro for DOS system that was 
started in the 80s (and still runs in a DOS window... on a 50 user 
network with some data access provided to 5 other offices across the state.


Dave

David Bovill wrote:

I think it should work fine - have not stress tested the approach yet  
- but it is what I use (custom properties linking the index to the  
structured text files).


I have just started using an MVC (model view controller) architecture  
for all my Rev apps - which has been a lot of work figuring out how  
best to do it. What this allows you to do is change the way you store  
your data very easily - so you can opt for using custom properties as  
your data model, text files, or a database. So far i am quite  
impressed how the MVC architecture helps structure your work -  
especially if you are looking at creating generic components.



On 10 Dec 2005, at 01:13, Brian Alleyne wrote:


Hi all

I am building a note and outline manager in rev. I've worked out my  
user interface, but before going further I wanted to seek some  
advice on text handling before working on the data engine.


I will store  memo fields of various lengths, these would have  
styled text, and would be typed in or imported in html or rtf form  
from other applications. Some of these memo fields could run to 50  
or 60 pages of text.  I will need to quickly search for any word or  
string in these memo fields. I expect to store potentially  thousands 
of these memo fields.


I was thinking of creating a data stack and storing the memo fields  
as custom properties - in essence using rev as my database. I've  
read Dan Shafer and Richard Gaskin on this, and if I understand  
them, it seems as if this is a reasonable way to go.


In sum, is rev good for a freetext database with thousands of memos  
or should I be looking at something like Valentina?


I am worried about the performance hit on searching when my  database 
grows to say,  1 memos.


Any advice is welcome.

best regards,

Brian
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RE: Text database using custom properties

[Lynch, Jonathan]

I wrote a task-oriented to-do list program, which I use for notes,
links, and to keep track of everything I do for work. It is free, of
course, and can be found at www.WorkMage.com.

The actual tasks/notes app, which will appear when Work Mage
self-installs is called Task Mage. You guys are welcome to treat it as
public domain, and use any or all parts of it as you need.

You guys might like it - and it is written in Rev - it is intuitive for
me (but then, I wrote it) - hopefully it is intuitive for others.

Cheers,

Jonathan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dom
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:29 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Text database using custom properties

Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, depending on how much this is a labor of love vs need-to-get-it-
> running-soon, you might check out NoteTaker.  Dan Shafer recommended
it and
> I decided very quickly to buy it.
> www.aquaminds.com
> 
> Very powerful, and does automatic indexing on
> Categories, Date, Documents, Email addresses, last changed, numbers,
> priority, Proper Words, Text, Web Sites.

Take also a look to VoodooPad... there is free "Lite" version, but the
interesting features belong only to the full version...

> 
> Each entry in the outline can even display an active web page of the
link it
> contains.
> 
> But if you are like most of us...
>  building your own is what appeals to you :-)

Same thinking about VoodooPad... I reached the limit with the full
version, but not yet decided to buy it... why not writing a similar
thing in Rev???

But I am not so fluent in Rev ;->
Although I wrote years ago something equivalent in HyperCard...

The puzzling thing, is that after testing note taking apps, I always
return after a time to plain text notes (sorted by gross categories and
dates -- year, month)


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Re: Text database using custom properties

[Dom]

Dom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Take also a look to VoodooPad... there is free "Lite" version, but the
> interesting features belong only to the full version...

I forgot a link:

http://www.flyingmeat.com/voodoopad/

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Re: Text database using custom properties

[Dom]

Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, depending on how much this is a labor of love vs need-to-get-it-
> running-soon, you might check out NoteTaker.  Dan Shafer recommended it and
> I decided very quickly to buy it.
> www.aquaminds.com
> 
> Very powerful, and does automatic indexing on
> Categories, Date, Documents, Email addresses, last changed, numbers,
> priority, Proper Words, Text, Web Sites.

Take also a look to VoodooPad... there is free "Lite" version, but the
interesting features belong only to the full version...

> 
> Each entry in the outline can even display an active web page of the link it
> contains.
> 
> But if you are like most of us...
>  building your own is what appeals to you :-)

Same thinking about VoodooPad... I reached the limit with the full
version, but not yet decided to buy it... why not writing a similar
thing in Rev???

But I am not so fluent in Rev ;->
Although I wrote years ago something equivalent in HyperCard...

The puzzling thing, is that after testing note taking apps, I always
return after a time to plain text notes (sorted by gross categories and
dates -- year, month)


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Re: Magic Stocking

[Thomas McGrath III]

Thanks Scott,

I saw other members putting little holiday things together and  
decided I would give it a shot. Next time I will focus on cleaning up  
my code a little.


The problem with this stack is the mouseUp acts like a double click  
because of the mousemove.
I still have problems with the multiple mouse messages not always  
responding as expected.


enjoy,

Tom

On Dec 12, 2005, at 4:02 AM, Scott Morrow wrote:


Tom,
Very cute!  Thanks for sharing.

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-

On Dec 11, 2005, at 8:26 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


A magic stocking with a gift for you.

Conception Time: Photoshop < 12 minutes. Revolution < 45 minutes.  
Difficulty Advanced (Moveable window, WindowShape, visible, change  
of format for dates- c/o Marielle Lange)


Access by:
revOnline, users, mcgrath3, Magic Stocking
revOnline, categories, games, Magic Stocking

Enjoy,

Tom




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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Jim Carwardine]

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on 12/11/05 2:58 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:

> http://revolution.lexicall.org/tutorials/ecards

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SQL Statement in Rev Wipes Out Table

[Adam]

Hi All:

This is driving me 'round the bend.
I'm executing a statement on a MySQL DB:

put revDataFromQuery(,,myDB,"SELECT COUNT(*) FROM myTable") into myCount

And I want to see the result by using:

answer myCount

Well I get zero (0).  The data in the table is gone after I execute that
statement or something like it with revQueryDatabase.  I checked in my Admin
tool, the data is really gone. Thank goodness for backups.

The table is populated with 60 million plus records so it's not empty to
start.  But after executing the statement, bam... gone.

Any ideas?

TVKIA,
Adam
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Berlin anyone?

[David Bovill]

Anyone from the list in-or-around Berlin in December? I am going to  
the Chaos Computer Club Conference (27-30 December in Berlin) -  
presenting a paper - and it would be great to meet up with any  
revolutionaries out there!


NB - it's always a great conference and chance to meet up with and  
get your hands on the best open source projects:


http://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/
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Keeping Alex Tweedly Happy

[Mathewson]

You got it Alex:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RRgraphix/

I have even uploaded a fairly goofy file that plays "silly
buggers" with graphics.

sign up, &, you guessed it - you get the silly yellow
crown!

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Re: Text database using custom properties

[David Bovill]

I think it should work fine - have not stress tested the approach yet  
- but it is what I use (custom properties linking the index to the  
structured text files).


I have just started using an MVC (model view controller) architecture  
for all my Rev apps - which has been a lot of work figuring out how  
best to do it. What this allows you to do is change the way you store  
your data very easily - so you can opt for using custom properties as  
your data model, text files, or a database. So far i am quite  
impressed how the MVC architecture helps structure your work -  
especially if you are looking at creating generic components.



On 10 Dec 2005, at 01:13, Brian Alleyne wrote:


Hi all

I am building a note and outline manager in rev. I've worked out my  
user interface, but before going further I wanted to seek some  
advice on text handling before working on the data engine.


I will store  memo fields of various lengths, these would have  
styled text, and would be typed in or imported in html or rtf form  
from other applications. Some of these memo fields could run to 50  
or 60 pages of text.  I will need to quickly search for any word or  
string in these memo fields. I expect to store potentially  
thousands of these memo fields.


I was thinking of creating a data stack and storing the memo fields  
as custom properties - in essence using rev as my database. I've  
read Dan Shafer and Richard Gaskin on this, and if I understand  
them, it seems as if this is a reasonable way to go.


In sum, is rev good for a freetext database with thousands of memos  
or should I be looking at something like Valentina?


I am worried about the performance hit on searching when my  
database grows to say,  1 memos.


Any advice is welcome.

best regards,

Brian
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Re: "use-rev" means "using Rev" (was 10,000 other threads)

[Alex Tweedly]

Judy Perry wrote:


But, Richard,

(and, this isn't personal, against you. or anyone else) but:

This, in turn, really does mean:

Piss off! We don't want to deal with you.  Please go shout into the
canyons.  We don't want to hear from you.  We only want to hear how to
solve _our_ specific, geeky, programming-only queries.

 

No it doesn't (at least, I didn't think it did, and didn't take it that 
way).


To me, it means - I would like to be able to pre-filter my email into 
different topic areas, and deal with them according to the mood I'm in, 
the time I have available, the phase of the moon, etc.


I'd be in favour of 5 or 10 different email lists talking about Rev (if 
I thought people would use the right one). I'd join them all :-) - but 
I'd read them on different schedules.


rev-use - scripting / Qs and tips - every time I read email ( > 10 a day)
rev-biz - once a day, probably at night when I tend to be interested in 
wider-ranging discussion
rev-clever-graphics-tricks - once a day in the morning, but after 
caffeine, because this is HARD for me

rev-etc  - etc.


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Re: Hidden Top layer objects "eat" the cursor

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote:

>> Hmm.  I just tried it with both a PNG and JPEG (to make sure it
>> wasn't a
>> format thing) and I can click within the field and open it for
>> editing as
>> expected.  You're not seeing this?

> Right, I can open the field for editing, and even select text by
> dragging across words... but the blinking I-beam text cursor does not
> appear...this is disconcerting for the user... setting the layer of
> the fld to the very top-front layer, and then the I-beam appears.

If I understand what you're saying, the cursor changes here for me.  When
the image is visible, it prevents any access to the field.  When the image
is hidden, I can access the field as expected and the cursor updates as
expected (this was all tested on a new stack).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Wrap text around images in text fields

[Sivakatirswami]

I want text to wrap around an image in a text field... doable or not?

1) import images into some hidden substack

2) write some text in main stack  text field. put a space in front of  
the very first word in the field.


3) set the imagesource of char 1 of fld "credits" to 1010... nice...  
the little image (in this case of a person...) appears, it's cropped  
top and  bottom to the text height.


4) turn off fixed fld Height in text field props editor... Viola,  
full image now appears and takes its natural height. only thing: the   
adjacent words are stuck in what the old HTML alignment would be  
(align="bottom") where  the first baseline of text is the baseline of  
the bottom of the image.


Is there anyway to  get the text to wrap as in CSS prop for the image  
where that img is  set  float left?


it would seem the use of image source in text field is  very limited  
if this is not possible...


Sivakatirswami



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Re: Hidden Top layer objects "eat" the cursor

[Sivakatirswami]

Right, I can open the field for editing, and even select text by  
dragging across words... but the blinking I-beam text cursor does not  
appear...this is disconcerting for the user... setting the layer of  
the fld to the very top-front layer, and then the I-beam appears.



On Dec 11, 2005, at 6:39 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

Hmm.  I just tried it with both a PNG and JPEG (to make sure it  
wasn't a
format thing) and I can click within the field and open it for  
editing as

expected.  You're not seeing this?


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Set the icon to (icon of another stack)

[Paul Claude]

Hi Paul,

>There is a way to tell to Revolution to look in stack "X" before  
the other

>open stacks, even if they have been loaded previously?

 start using stack "X"

places stack "X" ahead of all other library stacks in the message
chain; but it will not place it ahead of the topStack.  The images
may need to be on card 1 if the stack is in use but otherwise  
unopened.


I have suggested previously, but never seriously explored, the
possibility that one could change the look and feel of an app with
one "start using" statement that toggled between two library stacks
containing different sets of images with the same ids.




Hi Rob,

I've tried your tip, but it seems that the "start using stack "  
method works for scripts
but not to 'link' images as icons. Maybe Revolution use another  
message path hierarchy

for this.

PaulClaude



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Re: Magic Stocking

[Scott Morrow]

Tom,
Very cute!  Thanks for sharing.

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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On Dec 11, 2005, at 8:26 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


A magic stocking with a gift for you.

Conception Time: Photoshop < 12 minutes. Revolution < 45 minutes.  
Difficulty Advanced (Moveable window, WindowShape, visible, change  
of format for dates- c/o Marielle Lange)


Access by:
revOnline, users, mcgrath3, Magic Stocking
revOnline, categories, games, Magic Stocking

Enjoy,

Tom




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Semantic Compaction Systems
SCIconics, LLC

Lazy River Metal Arts
Lazy River Software™
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Meeting Wear™ - Unique Apparel Design






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