Re: debugger problem

[Mark Wieder]

Jacque-

> It sounds a lot like debug mode got turned off. If it happens again,
> check the "Script Debug Mode" menu item in the Development menu and see
> if it is still checked.

...or turn *off* Script Debug Mode and see if that recreates the
problem.

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Re: revdb error using record set (AltSQLite)

[Mark Wieder]

David-

Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 6:35:06 PM, you wrote:

> The database is open and a few rows of data exist in it with three
> columns, fully populated, in each row. I can see that data using  
> revdb_queryList() so one option is to switch away from using the  
> cursor structure and just manage the returned data in variables  
> myself. Before making that move, I would like to know if I have made
> a mistake in this code or have encountered a bug in the RR wrappers
> or in AltSQLite.

I know you'll hate to hear this, but your code works for me. Since
you've stripped out the error handlers, this may not be apropos,
but... check gConn before calling revdb_query() to make sure you have
a valid connection. Then check for errors after revdb_query() to see
if it worked, etc.

...and personally I would pass p as an argument to newRecDisplay
rather than setting the cursors of the stack.

I also have a small corrupt SQLite database that will consistently
crash rev although I can examine it with the cli. I haven't BZed it
yet because I haven't determined what makes it corrupt in rev's eyes.
If you can see your data using revdb_queryList() then that's probably
not your problem.

> I added revdb_moveFirst() in the first handler, as a trial fix  
> although I expect that the cursor would automatically be pointing to
> the first record.

I'd expect that, too.

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Audio files won't play in 2.6.1

[Mathewson]

Trevor Devore wrote:

"If you have QuickTime Pro then you can just save the mp3
as .mov  
files.  This won't change your file size much.  This
technique I know  
works."

are the resulting MOV files to be imported as videoClips or
audioClips?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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[OT] free icons for your buttons

[Mathewson]

Call me old-fashioned, call me monochromatic, but I still
rather like the HyperCard icons. Now, I was fooling around
the other day with a rather old version of SuperCard and
noticed that many of the SC icons looked identical to the
HC ones . . .

Does anyone know whether the HC icons are in some way
copyrighted, or are they 'fair game'? I would like to
'extract' them and repackage in an RR stack for free
distribution - but, however much I enjoy 'sparring
matches', I don't want Uncle Steve breathing down my neck.

I also wonder about 'general toolbar' icons as I notice
that those used in OpenOffice look just the same as
MSOffice, ClarisWorks 4, AbiWord, P-Shop and so on.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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Re: [OT] free icons for your buttons

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Chipp,

Happy to hear that but what's the website address ;-)

Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
 
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Le 15 déc. 05 à 06:55, Chipp Walters a écrit :

I ran across this site and believe it's a great way to add icons to  
your buttons. They've got a bunch of well designed 16x16 pixel  
icons in PNG support.


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re: debugger problem

[Stephen Barncard]

That's because we all took refuge here!!

sqb

(HC since 1988)





I am reminded greatly of all the Hypercarders I have ever come into contact
with.


Cal


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Re: [OT] free icons for your buttons

[Chipp Walters]

OOPS! forgot the URL of the icons?
http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/

-Chipp

Chipp Walters wrote:
I ran across this site and believe it's a great way to add icons to your 
buttons. 


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[OT] free icons for your buttons

[Chipp Walters]

I ran across this site and believe it's a great way to add icons to your 
buttons. They've got a bunch of well designed 16x16 pixel icons in PNG 
support.


You can use the free Altuit plugin "altImgViewer" to view and insert 
them into your stack:


http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm

best,

Chipp

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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Judy Perry]

It's been mentioned that Dylan has an, um, appropriation problem:

http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column95l4.html


Judy

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Actually it was by Carl Ruth And The Harmony Boys / Vocal By Darwin
> And Bill / Accomp. By West Virginia Hillbilly in 1959
>
> Keep on keeping on.

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Re: revdb error using record set (AltSQLite)

[chris bohnert]

David,

I simplified salient revdb api portions of your sample to:

put revdb_query(tconnectionid,"select * from tax1") into tRS
put revdb_columncount(tRS) into k
repeat with i = 1 to k
put revdb_columnByNumber(tRS,i) after field field1
end repeat

the table tax1 has three columns with serveral rows.  No errors or crashes.

You might try setting a breakpoint before the repeat structure so you 
can step through the column access in the recordset.  If you still have 
trouble feel free to send me a sample off list and i'll take  a look at it.


--
cb


David Vaughan wrote:

Using a licenced AltSQLite as the database, I created a record set  
and endeavoured to extract data using the following code (some error  
checking and other irrelevant pieces omitted from both fragments):


handler 1
  get revdb_query(gConn,"SELECT * FROM taxl")
  put it into p
  set the cursors of this stack to p
  get revdb_moveFirst(p)
  newRecDisplay

on newRecDisplay
  put the cursors of this stack into p
  put revdb_columncount(p) into k
  repeat with i = 1 to k
put revdb_columnByNumber(p,i) into field i
  end repeat

The code executes but at first put something like "revdberr, invalid  
column  number" into each field but now pretty consistently just  
crashes Rev.


The database is open and a few rows of data exist in it with three  
columns, fully populated, in each row. I can see that data using  
revdb_queryList() so one option is to switch away from using the  
cursor structure and just manage the returned data in variables  
myself. Before making that move, I would like to know if I have made  
a mistake in this code or have encountered a bug in the RR wrappers  
or in AltSQLite.


I added revdb_moveFirst() in the first handler, as a trial fix  
although I expect that the cursor would automatically be pointing to  
the first record.


thanks
David
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Re: sort dateTime problem

[Jim Ault]

Works here...
sort lines of cd field "schedule.2" datetime by item 2 of each

What is the itemDel set to just before this step?
Are there any delimiters in what seems to be item 1?
Is there any reason the short date is not valid?
(eg 13/4/04 does not exist)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 12/14/05 4:53 PM, "Timothy Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> One line of a script I'm working on goes:
> 
> sort lines of cd field "schedule.2" datetime by item 2 of each.
> 
> Each line has four items. Item 2 consists of dates in short date
> format, e.g., 12/2/04.
> 
> All 2005 dates come up in correct sequence, from earliest to latest.
> However, after sorting, 2004 dates *follow* 2005 dates, instead of
> preceding them. That is not a correct sort.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong?
> 
> Is the sort datetime command intendend to sort dates in short date
> format? Or is this a bug? (I couldn't find anything in the
> documentation or bugzilla, but I might have overlooked it.)
> 
> I could do something like converting the short dates to seconds,
> sorting numerically, then converting seconds back to short date. I'd
> rather not, though.
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> Tim
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Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?

[Rishi Viner]

I agree wtih Dan and Greg,

A forum is a much better vehicle for building a community. I've participated on
a number of things, forum based and mailing list based, and the forum experience
wins hands down. These communities are so big they could not operate on a
mailing list format: http://forums.gentoo.org/
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forumlist.asp http://contribs.org/modules/pbboard/ 

Mailing lists are OK when you are passing through 10 messages a day, but this
thing is just not practical. Come on rev, let Dan mirror your list and make you
the moderators of the new forum. You could even brand it. 

The forum is a much better way to search for the support you need.

Quoting Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I have free access to some of the best forum software around and it enables
> mail-list mirroring and participation in the forum via email in both
> directions. I've offered several times to mirror this list there but the
> response has been non-existent. I've hesitated to set this uip even though I
> have the software, the bandwidth, the disk capacity and the desire because:
> (a) RunRev seems to take the position that they own this list; and (b)
> without their permission, therefore, it seems ill-advised to mirror it
> elsewhere.
> 
> On 12/14/05, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Dan Shafer in both of his opinions - the community is too
> > small already and that a mailing list is the worst possible vehicle for
> > facilitating the Revolution Community at large.  A forum would provide
> > for all of the possible areas of discussion by segregating the general
> > topic categories, accordingly.  The mailing list requires reading


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Re: user interrupts

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 12/15/05, Preston Shea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When the user interrupts a running handler, the image of the card is left on 
> the screen. Is there a way to get rid of it without rebooting? Is there are 
> gentler form of controlled crash?

Does your handler close the card or go to a different card if it
finishes normally? If so, when you interrupt, the card will most
likely still be there or the wrong card will be displayed in the stack
window. You can close the stack window or use the arrow keys or the
View menu to navigate back to the card you want.

While Command-period stops any handler abruptly, you can script a way
to get out of a loop yourself. Here is an example:

on mouseUp
  repeat 1000 times
 put random(1000)
 if the mouse is down then exit repeat
  end repeat
  put "Finished"
end mouseUp

This loops 1000 times if undisturbed, but at any stage, if it detects
that you are holding down the mouse button, it will immediately stop
looping, but it will continue on with the rest of the script.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Com Port Data Errors

[Sarah Reichelt]

> Everything is the same ,hardware and comm settings.
> The command sent does not really matter ,
> for example i used "AT00" which returns ERROR then CR AND LF and then the
> character >
>
> This is the correct response but i can't seem to get Rev to send , receive
> and wait for the > character then repeat without it getting missed sends.
>
> if i put a delay before resending of >= 1 second it works fine.(It should be
> able to repeat in around 100ms , command send,receive and wait for >)
> I may be missing something but what would be the fastest solution
>

What sequence are you following?
I would send then keep reading the serial port and send again as soon
as I had received the >
That way you are not making any assumptions about the send of
transmission or the response time of a particular modem.

Here is what I tested: I sent the first "AT00" and set gIndex to 0.
Then the handler that reads the data called this routine every time it
received anything.

on checkData pRec
global gIndex
if pRec contains "ERROR" then
add 1 to gIndex
if gIndex < 10 then
put the label of btn "Port" into thePort
write "AT0" & gIndex & numToChar(13) to driver thePort
end if
end if
end checkData

I don't get your ">" so I used ERROR as the trigger. This loops
through 10 times sending "AT00", "AT01" etc etc. It doesn't miss any
of them and the whole thing takes about 100 ticks, for 10 writes &
reads.

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?

[Dan Shafer]

I have free access to some of the best forum software around and it enables
mail-list mirroring and participation in the forum via email in both
directions. I've offered several times to mirror this list there but the
response has been non-existent. I've hesitated to set this uip even though I
have the software, the bandwidth, the disk capacity and the desire because:
(a) RunRev seems to take the position that they own this list; and (b)
without their permission, therefore, it seems ill-advised to mirror it
elsewhere.

On 12/14/05, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree with Dan Shafer in both of his opinions - the community is too
> small already and that a mailing list is the worst possible vehicle for
> facilitating the Revolution Community at large.  A forum would provide
> for all of the possible areas of discussion by segregating the general
> topic categories, accordingly.  The mailing list requires reading
> through too much "quoted" material and too many "re: . . . ." topic
> headings.  It is a snap to find those topics you are particularly
> interested in reading about and responding to, using the forum format.
> I've got quite a bit of room on my service, and wouldn't mind supplying
> the forum basics, since the "raw" forum format is provided by my web
> hosting service.  I'm not using it, so maybe the Revolution Community
> could benefit from this, instead.  The "moderators" could remain the
> moderators.  It would be an enormous convenience to me, a new Revolution
> learner.
>
> I also strongly suggest refraining from using the "Yahoo Groups" format,
> it is nowhere near as friendly as the "standard" kind.
>
> Let me know if I can help,
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Greg Smith
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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Dennis Brown]

Mark, Tom, Jim, Terry, Xavier,

Thanks for all your suggestions.  I thought there was going to be a  
simple answer when I ask it.  The good news is that it appears to be  
in the realms of doablity.  The bad news is that I have avoided  
learning Applescript and Javascript until now.  Yet I am willing to  
at least put my big toe in the water if that is what it takes.


I am looking at the source HTML with some Javascript for the page in  
question right now.  I can see that the page source is created just  
for me, because it has URL's and passwords for me embedded into text  
constants.  It seems to have some interesting definitions in it that  
leads me to believe that the field I want to input to is accessible  
through the page source.  Since the page is full of URLs as to where  
to find things on the server, I figure it would break soon if I just  
took the script and changed the parts I want to.  I have hacked it to  
remove all the extraneous stuff like Ads, etc. to get the source down  
to readable size --a couple of pages --it even still sort of works.


I think if I could change the values of the following params that are  
in the Javascript, it might work:


  
  

I would just grab the HTML into a file and edit it on the fly, but  
reloading the page causes the script to take a long time to start up,  
and it does not save the chart settings --they all revert to startup  
defaults.  So my best bet is changing these parameters while it is  
running.


Am I on the right track here?

I could email the HTML source to someone if you would not mind taking  
a quick look at it to see if this approach is likely to work.  (I  
changed the password, but it still runs --just won't connect for the  
real quote data).


Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

A useful thing can also be to store your applescripts in custom  
properties, with place-holders for values and then:


put the myApplescript of me into tScript
replace  with  in tScript
do tScript as applescript


an example (including a bit of javaScript):

a custom property called jsSetAndGetAS contains:

set tScr to "
document.ResultSel.Day.selectedIndex = dd;
document.ResultSel.Month.selectedIndex = mm;
document.ResultSel.Year.selectedIndex = yy;
ResultsSubmit()"

tell application "Safari"
do JavaScript tScr in document 1
end tell

and then in my app I have

put the jsSetAndGetAS of me into tScript
replace "dd" with dayOfMonth() in tScript
replace "mm" with MonthNum() in tScript
replace "yy" with getYear() in tScript

do tScript as applescript


building applescripts in a rev script can get hard to read.

Cheers,

Mark

On 14 Dec 2005, at 23:25, Jim Ault wrote:


Dennis,   you said

I thought Safari would have been more scriptable.
There is a difference between 'recordable' and "scriptable' where  
Safari is

amazingly scriptable.  The key to your solution may be the following:

You might want to check the Applescript dictionary for Safari for
Do Javascript command
this will send a JavaScript command to the active browser window  
and active

tab in that window.  This could be a 'one-liner'.

A more complictated way is to use UI Elements (User Interface  
Elements)
which are quite resplendent in Safari.  You can even get the text  
string

that is in a static text piece in a java applet!

I have not done this myself, but this should be the framework plus  
a few

details..
Try along these lines:
Transcript code

open Safari, go url 'stock page', store the name of the window(or  
window ID)


build the javascript command
put "beginning chars "& \
quote & "quotedStr" & quote & \
" end  chars" into javaStrMadeInRev
-- done building the javascript command

put "tell app ""e&"Safari""e into cmd
--optional could be "activate window id "& theStockTickerID
--optional could be "activate window "& theStockTickerName
put cr & "do javascript "& quote & javaStrMadeInRev & quote after cmd
put cr & "end tell" after cmd
do cmd as applescript
put the result into answerFromSafariWhichShouldBeThePriceILike

HTH
Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 12/14/05 10:35 AM, "Dennis Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Tom,

I was surprised that it did not, but the docs says that it will not
do that.  If I clicked in the Finder areas, it only recorded that I
selcted the Finder.  It did not record anything when I clicked on
other applications.  I thought Safari would have been more  
scriptable.


Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Dennis,

The recording function -- Are you able to at least record a click
at the button location?

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


I also tried Automator and tried the recording function in
Applescript Studio, but no good.


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Re: sheet stack (to card x)

[Scott Morrow]

Jerry,
   A sheet is just a fancy modal dialog box that is peculiar to  
OSX.  The main difference between a sheet and a regular dialog is  
that a sheet appears to be attached to (part of) a specific window  
rather than appearing as a unique window.  It allows the parent  
window to be moved about and only blocks interaction with the parent  
window so that, if the user wants, they can move the sheeted (parent)  
window to the side and look at or interact with other windows. It has  
a nice look and in some circumstances is probably the best way to  
show a dialog in OSX.  Rev makes using sheets easy by allowing the  
built in ASK and ANSWER dialogs to be shown as sheets  simply by  
adding the phrase "as sheet" .  Rev also allows most any stack to be  
easily shown as a sheet of another stack.

-Scott

On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:43 AM, Jerry Muelver wrote:


From: "Scott Morrow"
I'm looking to open a stack as a sheet but I need to make  
sure  it opens to a specific card.  Because it needs to stop  
script  execution I'm doing the following:




Scott, what's a "sheet"? (Win and Linux guy here, only recently  
exposed to Mac by gift of an ancient G3)


 Jerry Muelver

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re: debugger problem

[Timothy Miller]

The disappearance of certain debugging features occurred during what I would
term a vanilla-flavored stack.



I was working on an "openstack" script and all the the debug buttons and
menu items just disappeared. And by the way, the variable watcher turned to
custard as well.



Where was the "on openstack" script located? Card, background, stack? 
Was there an "on openstack" handler in the background script?






Using several different search terms, I looked all through the lists and I
came to one woeful conclusion. The people at Revolution haven't  done a very
good job of making their debugger bullet-proof. There seem to be a large
number of problems listed that involve the debugger.



As I recall, many of those items are old and resolved, some are 
unreplicated. The edit background script bug is the only one I've 
encountered.


If you can replicate this bug, you'd be doing the rest of us a 
kindness. If you can't replicate it, it might not be a bug.






I "think" that I solved the problem by washing any trace of Revolution from
my PC, even to the point of scrubbing all register entries as well.



--snip--



Using this development environment makes me feel as if I were walking on
eggs.



You've had a lot of other problems with Rev? Or did this debugger 
thing get you down real bad?


Tim
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Re: debugger problem

[J. Landman Gay]

Cal Horner wrote:

The disappearance of certain debugging features occurred during what I would
term a vanilla-flavored stack.

I was working on an "openstack" script and all the the debug buttons and
menu items just disappeared. And by the way, the variable watcher turned to
custard as well.


It sounds a lot like debug mode got turned off. If it happens again, 
check the "Script Debug Mode" menu item in the Development menu and see 
if it is still checked.


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revdb error using record set (AltSQLite)

[David Vaughan]

Using a licenced AltSQLite as the database, I created a record set  
and endeavoured to extract data using the following code (some error  
checking and other irrelevant pieces omitted from both fragments):


handler 1
  get revdb_query(gConn,"SELECT * FROM taxl")
  put it into p
  set the cursors of this stack to p
  get revdb_moveFirst(p)
  newRecDisplay

on newRecDisplay
  put the cursors of this stack into p
  put revdb_columncount(p) into k
  repeat with i = 1 to k
put revdb_columnByNumber(p,i) into field i
  end repeat

The code executes but at first put something like "revdberr, invalid  
column  number" into each field but now pretty consistently just  
crashes Rev.


The database is open and a few rows of data exist in it with three  
columns, fully populated, in each row. I can see that data using  
revdb_queryList() so one option is to switch away from using the  
cursor structure and just manage the returned data in variables  
myself. Before making that move, I would like to know if I have made  
a mistake in this code or have encountered a bug in the RR wrappers  
or in AltSQLite.


I added revdb_moveFirst() in the first handler, as a trial fix  
although I expect that the cursor would automatically be pointing to  
the first record.


thanks
David
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re: debugger problem

[Cal Horner]

The disappearance of certain debugging features occurred during what I would
term a vanilla-flavored stack.

I was working on an "openstack" script and all the the debug buttons and
menu items just disappeared. And by the way, the variable watcher turned to
custard as well.

Using several different search terms, I looked all through the lists and I
came to one woeful conclusion. The people at Revolution haven't  done a very
good job of making their debugger bullet-proof. There seem to be a large
number of problems listed that involve the debugger.

I "think" that I solved the problem by washing any trace of Revolution from
my PC, even to the point of scrubbing all register entries as well.

I then reinstalled Revolution, and the plugins I use in my development
environment and eureka, it worked!

Now comes the ranting, moaning and complaining.

Using this development environment makes me feel as if I were walking on
eggs. 

Always lurking in the back of my mind is a simple question. What will go
wrong next?

Having been a member of the computing profession since 1957 and having come
in contact with all kinds of software dealers and pushers I think that I can
speak with some authority when I say I wouldn't want get the Enterprise
environment and  try a corporate project, unless I wanted to fall way behind
schedule and over budget. And end up with a big red L on my forehead.

Now for the Kudos.

The people that use this environment and are members of this list are the 
user-friendly" portion of this environment.

I am reminded greatly of all the Hypercarders I have ever come into contact
with.

Cal
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[ANN] Constellation 2.0 with Extensible Toolbars!

[Jerry Daniels]

Fellow Revolution Developers,

It's with great pleasure that I can now announce the release of  
Constellation 2.0 today. It has many cool new features:


- a new look and feel that's more intuitive AND more functional
- toolbars with tools for each pane of the Constellation window
- an extensible architecture that lets add your own or other's tools
- three FREE add-on tools once you register
- its own message box pane with selectable history and clairvoyant  
typing

- other enhancements and fixes too numerous to mention

Go to the link below to discover through text and video...

 The Five Reasons Twelve of the Top Revolution Developers use  
Constellation

  http://www.daniels-mara.com/products/5reasons.htm

Constellation still only costs $50 and includes a year of free upgrades.

  All about Constellation & Its Gadgets
  http://www.daniels-mara.com/products/constellation.htm

Happy Holidays!

Jerry Daniels

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Proud participants in Runtime Revolution's RevSelect program

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sort dateTime problem

[Timothy Miller]

Greetings,

One line of a script I'm working on goes:

sort lines of cd field "schedule.2" datetime by item 2 of each.

Each line has four items. Item 2 consists of dates in short date 
format, e.g., 12/2/04.


All 2005 dates come up in correct sequence, from earliest to latest. 
However, after sorting, 2004 dates *follow* 2005 dates, instead of 
preceding them. That is not a correct sort.


Am I doing something wrong?

Is the sort datetime command intendend to sort dates in short date 
format? Or is this a bug? (I couldn't find anything in the 
documentation or bugzilla, but I might have overlooked it.)


I could do something like converting the short dates to seconds, 
sorting numerically, then converting seconds back to short date. I'd 
rather not, though.



Thanks in advance,


Tim
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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Dennis Brown]

I guess the wise old monk heard it in his wild youth!

Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Actually it was by Carl Ruth And The Harmony Boys / Vocal By Darwin  
And Bill / Accomp. By West Virginia Hillbilly in 1959


Keep on keeping on.

t

On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Judy Perry wrote:


Or Bob Dylan I think:

"...keep on creeping on like a bird that flew..."
Tangled Up in Blue

Judy

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Dennis Brown wrote:


On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Keep on keeping on,



The last time I heard that saying was 20 years ago by a wise old  
monk!


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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Thomas McGrath III]

Actually it was by Carl Ruth And The Harmony Boys / Vocal By Darwin  
And Bill / Accomp. By West Virginia Hillbilly in 1959


Keep on keeping on.

t

On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Judy Perry wrote:


Or Bob Dylan I think:

"...keep on creeping on like a bird that flew..."
Tangled Up in Blue

Judy

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Dennis Brown wrote:


On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Keep on keeping on,



The last time I heard that saying was 20 years ago by a wise old  
monk!


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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Judy Perry]

Or Bob Dylan I think:

"...keep on creeping on like a bird that flew..."
Tangled Up in Blue

Judy

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Dennis Brown wrote:

> On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
>
> > Keep on keeping on,
>
>
> The last time I heard that saying was 20 years ago by a wise old monk!
>

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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Mark Smith]

A useful thing can also be to store your applescripts in custom  
properties, with place-holders for values and then:


put the myApplescript of me into tScript
replace  with  in tScript
do tScript as applescript


an example (including a bit of javaScript):

a custom property called jsSetAndGetAS contains:

set tScr to "
document.ResultSel.Day.selectedIndex = dd;
document.ResultSel.Month.selectedIndex = mm;
document.ResultSel.Year.selectedIndex = yy;
ResultsSubmit()"

tell application "Safari"
do JavaScript tScr in document 1
end tell

and then in my app I have

put the jsSetAndGetAS of me into tScript
replace "dd" with dayOfMonth() in tScript
replace "mm" with MonthNum() in tScript
replace "yy" with getYear() in tScript

do tScript as applescript


building applescripts in a rev script can get hard to read.

Cheers,

Mark

On 14 Dec 2005, at 23:25, Jim Ault wrote:


Dennis,   you said

I thought Safari would have been more scriptable.
There is a difference between 'recordable' and "scriptable' where  
Safari is

amazingly scriptable.  The key to your solution may be the following:

You might want to check the Applescript dictionary for Safari for
Do Javascript command
this will send a JavaScript command to the active browser window  
and active

tab in that window.  This could be a 'one-liner'.

A more complictated way is to use UI Elements (User Interface  
Elements)
which are quite resplendent in Safari.  You can even get the text  
string

that is in a static text piece in a java applet!

I have not done this myself, but this should be the framework plus  
a few

details..
Try along these lines:
Transcript code

open Safari, go url 'stock page', store the name of the window(or  
window ID)


build the javascript command
put "beginning chars "& \
quote & "quotedStr" & quote & \
" end  chars" into javaStrMadeInRev
-- done building the javascript command

put "tell app ""e&"Safari""e into cmd
--optional could be "activate window id "& theStockTickerID
--optional could be "activate window "& theStockTickerName
put cr & "do javascript "& quote & javaStrMadeInRev & quote after cmd
put cr & "end tell" after cmd
do cmd as applescript
put the result into answerFromSafariWhichShouldBeThePriceILike

HTH
Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 12/14/05 10:35 AM, "Dennis Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Tom,

I was surprised that it did not, but the docs says that it will not
do that.  If I clicked in the Finder areas, it only recorded that I
selcted the Finder.  It did not record anything when I clicked on
other applications.  I thought Safari would have been more  
scriptable.


Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Dennis,

The recording function -- Are you able to at least record a click
at the button location?

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


I also tried Automator and tried the recording function in
Applescript Studio, but no good.


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Re: Com Port Data Errors

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Camm29 wrote:


Going slightly off track here ,
Everything is the same ,hardware and comm settings.


OK.  I thought there might be a timeout.

Try a loop-back.  That would remove the modem from consideration.

Dar

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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Thomas McGrath III]

From the Apple site on this:
"Scripters have often requested the ability to control, via  
AppleScript, applications that either do not have AppleScript support  
or are only partially scriptable. Mac OS X v10.3 includes support for  
the control of the computer's graphic user interface via AppleScript.
Graphic user interface control is performed by an updated version of  
the System Events application. By addressing the System Events  
application, AppleScript scripts can select menu items, push buttons,  
enter text into text fields, and generally control the interfaces of  
most non-Classic applications."


Seems like it should work but maybe it is the fact that the items in  
question are not interface controls.


Tom


On Dec 14, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Terry Judd wrote:


UI Element Inspector


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Re: [OT]Re: Com Port Data Errors

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:01 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Welcome back Dar!


Thanks!  I hope to get back into a list or two slowly.

Dar

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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Jim Ault]

Dennis,   you said
> I thought Safari would have been more scriptable.
There is a difference between 'recordable' and "scriptable' where Safari is
amazingly scriptable.  The key to your solution may be the following:

You might want to check the Applescript dictionary for Safari for
Do Javascript command
this will send a JavaScript command to the active browser window and active
tab in that window.  This could be a 'one-liner'.

A more complictated way is to use UI Elements (User Interface Elements)
which are quite resplendent in Safari.  You can even get the text string
that is in a static text piece in a java applet!

I have not done this myself, but this should be the framework plus a few
details..
Try along these lines:
Transcript code

open Safari, go url 'stock page', store the name of the window(or window ID)

build the javascript command
put "beginning chars "& \
quote & "quotedStr" & quote & \
" end  chars" into javaStrMadeInRev
-- done building the javascript command

put "tell app ""e&"Safari""e into cmd
--optional could be "activate window id "& theStockTickerID
--optional could be "activate window "& theStockTickerName
put cr & "do javascript "& quote & javaStrMadeInRev & quote after cmd
put cr & "end tell" after cmd
do cmd as applescript
put the result into answerFromSafariWhichShouldBeThePriceILike

HTH
Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 12/14/05 10:35 AM, "Dennis Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Tom,
> 
> I was surprised that it did not, but the docs says that it will not
> do that.  If I clicked in the Finder areas, it only recorded that I
> selcted the Finder.  It did not record anything when I clicked on
> other applications.  I thought Safari would have been more scriptable.
> 
> Dennis
> 
> On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
> 
>> Dennis,
>> 
>> The recording function -- Are you able to at least record a click
>> at the button location?
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> I also tried Automator and tried the recording function in
>>> Applescript Studio, but no good.
>> 
>> Thomas J McGrath III
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
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>> SCIconics, LLC
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Re: Newbie Question

[Thomas McGrath III]

Devin,

My system seems to hang when I open the inspector to the tables  
popup. If I command period it releases and displays the table info  
correctly.


OSX 10.4 Rev 2.6.1

Has that happened to you at all?

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 3:35 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


Joe,

By "lines showing" do you mean the horizontal lines, like you see  
on notebook paper? If so, just open the property inspector for the  
field, choose "Table" from the popup list, then check "Text  
baselines", which shows the, well, baselines for the text. This is  
the same as setting the "showlines" property to true.  
Alternatively, you can check the "Horizontal Grid" checkbox, which  
sets the hgrid property to true. You can see the difference if you  
turn them both on at once.


Devin

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Hi Everyone,

Please tell me how to create a field with the lines showing.

Joe,
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Re: Case studies gallery

[Thomas McGrath III]

Marielle,

Hi again, I work in the Assistive Technology Field mainly in  
Augmentative Communications. I notice that both of your case studies  
are in that field. Very cool. I am trying to discipline myself into  
creating user software in this field. My biggest problem is time. I  
have been so busy with my Metal Sculpture and my T-shirt business as  
well as the new technology company SCIconics (where I do most of my  
REV work) that I am having a hard time managing my interests. Of  
course this list takes up some time as well. ;-)


Thanks for the site and inspiration. When I do finally get some stuff  
together I will let you know, for the site.


Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:

As I had at least one request for a case studies gallery, it is now  
up and running.


Have you seen *anything* that good looking in the konfabulator  
gallery?


You would like yours to be added? Simple, you can use the metadata  
editor for this purpose or you can send me a text file  (preferably  
unix format, utf-8 if it contains non ascii characters) with the  
following information. For pictures, best are gif (png are a  
problem for IE) and with a width of 250px.


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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Thomas McGrath III]

Marielle,

I think a few people wanted a place to go to and share graphics info  
and files. I don't know how they get here to the list though.


Thanks for the kind words, but now I think I could have been a bit  
more helpful and less critical which I did try to correct when I saw  
it was going slightly downhill. I do so enjoy the people here and the  
varied interests and backgrounds.


Thanks again,

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 3:31 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:


Hi Tom,

Don't worry, your behaviour on this list and on the RRgraphix list  
has always been exemplar. There was nothing wrong with your  
"Warning email".


Take care,
Marielle

PS. What's the purpose of a [RRgraphix]  list if we get to read all  
threads here?


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Re: Repeat messages from the list

[Thomas McGrath III]

HA HA...

I am thinking it might be the moderating process. Who knows.

Thanks for the laugh...
Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 3:25 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


Seems normal here.

Seems normal here.

Regards,

Regards,

Devin

Devin

On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Is it just me or is everyone getting repeat messages from the  
list??? I hope not. It would be a cruel joke to get all of the  
past flame war messages again!!!


Tom


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Re: Drag, Drop, Invisibility and going 'wonky' with standalones

[Thomas McGrath III]

Richmond,

You always have been quite generous. Thank you for your  
contributions. I am and will be a member of the [RRgraphix] group.  
With you contributing so much content I am feeling inspired and will  
work towards the same end.


Thanks

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Mathewson wrote:


I recently received an interesting e-mail from a chap in
Australia:

"Hi Richmond,

I?ve tried a range of variations but I still can?t get it
to work properly.

Can you make any suggestions?
As I was a bit busy at the time I sent him a file by way of
reply. That file is now available for download at the
'RRgraphix' Group (
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RRgraphix/files/ ) rather
unoriginally titled 'Drop Targets.rev'

I don't know if it solved his problem as I have not had a
reply. But I think it illustrates some interesting ideas
('visible' with images, sorting on the basis of Tooltip
contents) and would be interested to see how it would stand
up as a strandalone on various platforms.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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Re: [OT] Good/Bad Form for sample stacks

[Thomas McGrath III]

Dennis,

I have no idea why this didn't even occur to me at all. Good thinking  
and good advice.



Thanks

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Tom,

I "usually" contact the author directly and tell them about the  
"bug" in their app.  I do this so that they can save face (and  
time) by fixing the problem quickly and posting the problem/ 
solution without being caught up in a public controversy first.


However, if a code sample is supplied on list in response to a  
question or challenge, I have observed that it is fair game to jump  
in and point out the problems/solutions directly and  
interactively.  It is all in fun and learning!


That is how I operate.

Dennis


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Re: [OT] Good/Bad Form for sample stacks

[Thomas McGrath III]

Thanks Ken,

I will keep this in mind the next time I encounter something like  
this. It is good to get input from users I trust here.


Thanks for providing instruction for a better way to do this.

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

On 12/14/05 1:17 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



I had an experience with a sample stack that at first threw me off
and I may have responded to the what the stack did harshly. I'm not
sure. But it brought up a point for me.


It was a bit harsh (all capitals and all), but you didn't know how  
many

other people were going to handle it. Better would have been to email
Richmond directly offlist so that he could temporarily pull it and  
have
*him* post the email letting people know when the error had been  
corrected.


My 2 cents,
Ken Ray

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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Thomas McGrath III]

I remember him!!!

Tom


On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Keep on keeping on,



The last time I heard that saying was 20 years ago by a wise old monk!

Dennis


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Re: debugger problem

[Rob Cozens]

Hi Cal,



I'm running Rev 2.6.1 in a windows XP Pro environment.
[snip]
When I open debugger, or the app I'm testing hits a breakpoint and opens up,
the debugger has lost the Step In, Step Over, etc buttons at the bottom of
the window and all of the menu items that are the same (step in, step over,
etc.) are "grayed out".

[snip]

So I am stumped.


FWIW, I've had occasion to run the RR v2.6.1 debugger on Win XP TPC 
Edition recently, and had no problems except the display of the 
"There seems to be a problem with your breakpoints" dialog every time 
I turned on script debug mode.


Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company

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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Terry Judd]

I almost certain that you're not going to have any joy going down this 
(applescript) path but to script the normally 'unscriptable' app in OSX 
you need to:
(i) turn on 'enable access for assistive devices' in the 'universal 
access' pane of 'system preferences'
(ii) get a copy of 'UI Element Inspector' (available from the Apple web 
site) or even better 'UI Browser' (from PreFab software - 
www.prefab.com) so that you can 'inspect' whatever it is you're trying 
to capture
(iii) use the info you get back from (ii) to construct some foxy 
Applescript


My feeling is that a Java applet wont even register but if you want to 
try it then use Safari rather than Firefox as the latter's interface 
gets rendered as a single non-deconstructable (surely that isn't a 
word) object.


Cheers,

Terry...


From: Thomas McGrath III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 15 December 2005 5:55:48 AM
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?
Reply-To: How to use Revolution 


Dennis,

Yeah, it must be safari or that fact it is a web app. I did 
successfully record a menu item and screen button in a non apple 
scriptable app but was nervous with that as a solution cause the 
button/window could be moved.


Will keep looking.

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Tom,

I was surprised that it did not, but the docs says that it will not 
do that.  If I clicked in the Finder areas, it only recorded that I 
selcted the Finder.  It did not record anything when I clicked on 
other applications.  I thought Safari would have been more 
scriptable.


Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Dennis,

The recording function -- Are you able to at least record a click at 
the button location?


Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:

I also tried Automator and tried the recording function in 
Applescript Studio, but no good.



Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA

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Re: debugger problem

[Timothy Miller]

Sorry to be tedious. I keep mentioning this on the list. It may nor 
may not apply to you.


This is exactly what happens when you try to debug a background 
script. I've reported it to Bugzilla. It is easily replicated.


I haven't seen it happen in any other kind of script... Except... If 
you're debugging a script that steps into a handler in the bg script, 
then the debug buttons disappear and the script runs to completion, 
leaving the user in a state of perplexity. I've seen this only in 
Macintosh. I don't know if it happens in XP, too.


I'm curious. Might this apply to you?

If so, there are at least two workarounds. One is that the debugger 
works okay on bg scripts if, and only if, you are on the first page 
of the background.


Second, in many cases, though not all, background scripts can be 
moved to the stack script without modification. I think HyperCard 
retreads -- like me -- are more accustomed to putting scripts in 
backgrounds.


Also, I have heard that alternate debuggers or script editors are 
available. I don't how what they're called, where to find them, or 
how well they work. I understand the alternate debuggers do not have 
this flaw.


Hope this helps. Let us know.

Tim


Hi!,



I have many different assumptions about what is causing the problem, but
rather than to keep grasping at straws I have been looking at the Embassy
and i saw your reply to a debugger question. So here I am



I'm running Rev 2.6.1 in a windows XP Pro environment.



I've used Rev since version 2.2.1 and this is the first time this problem
has come up.



When I open debugger, or the app I'm testing hits a breakpoint and opens up,
the debugger has lost the Step In, Step Over, etc buttons at the bottom of
the window and all of the menu items that are the same (step in, step over,
etc.) are "grayed out".



I have deleted and installed different versions of Rev. and it still happens




So I am stumped. And of course the debugger is too good a tool for me to
have to go back to the old way of testing and fixing.



TIA



Cal



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Re: Audio files won't play in 2.6.1

[Trevor DeVore]

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Mathewson wrote:


Trevor Devore suggested changing suffixes on MP# files -

...

I would convert all the MP3 files into AIFF files.


If you have QuickTime Pro then you can just save the mp3 as .mov  
files.  This won't change your file size much.  This technique I know  
works.



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Re: Com Port Data Errors

[Camm29]

Going slightly off track here ,
Everything is the same ,hardware and comm settings.
The command sent does not really matter ,
for example i used "AT00" which returns ERROR then CR AND LF and then the
character >

This is the correct response but i can't seem to get Rev to send , receive
and wait for the > character then repeat without it getting missed sends.

if i put a delay before resending of >= 1 second it works fine.(It should be
able to repeat in around 100ms , command send,receive and wait for >)
I may be missing something but what would be the fastest solution

Regards


- Original Message -
From: "Dar Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Com Port Data Errors


>
> On Dec 13, 2005, at 3:32 PM, Camm29 wrote:
>
> > write "AT00" & numToChar(13) to driver COM1:
>
> > One point is that with the same command "AT00" , HYPERTERMINAL works
> > always with wait time < 1 second.
>
> Even though the Hayes-compatible tradition requires a CR to terminate
> the command line, I have seen some modems that want LF in addition or
> instead.  Could your Hyperterminal settings be set to send a LF with
> the CR?
>
> Also, check your handshake lines.  Make sure you are using the same
> cable as your Hyperterminal experiment.  Then make sure the handshake
> lines work the same.
>
> BTW, I am not familiar with a digit command, such as 0.  That might be
> something special with your modem or some newfangled thing or something
> cool I just haven't seen.  Or should this be the O command for "Return
> to On-line State"?
>
> Dar
>
> --
> 
>  Dar Scott  dba  Dar Scott Consulting
>
>  "Glory to God in the highest,
>  and on earth peace, good will toward men. "
> -- Host of angels, Luke 2:14
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Audio files won't play in 2.6.1

[Mathewson]

Trevor Devore suggested changing suffixes on MP# files -

I took an MP3 file and changed the 'mp3' suffix to 'mov'
and tried the following:

Imported it as a videoClip:

play videoClip "x.mov"resulted in an interesting,
elongated black 'thing' with squiggly signs.

Imported it as an audioClip:

play audioClip "x.mov" resulted in a horrible cacophany -
nothing at all like the original MP3 file.

These experiments were performed with DreamCard 2.6.1 on
Mac OS 10.4.3.

So? Well . . . 

I would convert all the MP3 files into AIFF files.

However, this is a 'bother' as they end up far bigger than
the original MP3 files.

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Re: user interrupts

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Preston,

I think we'll need more information on what you're trying to do. Off the
top of my head, It appears you'll want the 'send in time' message if you
want to allow interrupts, then do something when the interrupt happens.

best,

Chipp

Preston Shea wrote:

When the user interrupts a running handler, the image of the card is
left on the screen. Is there a way to get rid of it without
rebooting? Is there are gentler form of controlled crash?


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[OT]Re: Com Port Data Errors

[Chipp Walters]

Welcome back Dar! We missed you. Richard and I were just discussing the 
other night where you had been? My my records, your last post was in 
July so we were hoping all was OK.


best,

Chipp

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Re: Com Port Data Errors

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 13, 2005, at 3:32 PM, Camm29 wrote:


write "AT00" & numToChar(13) to driver COM1:


One point is that with the same command "AT00" , HYPERTERMINAL works 
always with wait time < 1 second.


Even though the Hayes-compatible tradition requires a CR to terminate 
the command line, I have seen some modems that want LF in addition or 
instead.  Could your Hyperterminal settings be set to send a LF with 
the CR?


Also, check your handshake lines.  Make sure you are using the same 
cable as your Hyperterminal experiment.  Then make sure the handshake 
lines work the same.


BTW, I am not familiar with a digit command, such as 0.  That might be 
something special with your modem or some newfangled thing or something 
cool I just haven't seen.  Or should this be the O command for "Return 
to On-line State"?


Dar

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user interrupts

[Preston Shea]

When the user interrupts a running handler, the image of the card is left on 
the screen. Is there a way to get rid of it without rebooting? Is there are 
gentler form of controlled crash?
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How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?

[Greg Smith]

I agree with Dan Shafer in both of his opinions - the community is too 
small already and that a mailing list is the worst possible vehicle for 
facilitating the Revolution Community at large.  A forum would provide 
for all of the possible areas of discussion by segregating the general 
topic categories, accordingly.  The mailing list requires reading 
through too much "quoted" material and too many "re: . . . ." topic 
headings.  It is a snap to find those topics you are particularly 
interested in reading about and responding to, using the forum format.  
I've got quite a bit of room on my service, and wouldn't mind supplying 
the forum basics, since the "raw" forum format is provided by my web 
hosting service.  I'm not using it, so maybe the Revolution Community 
could benefit from this, instead.  The "moderators" could remain the 
moderators.  It would be an enormous convenience to me, a new Revolution 
learner.


I also strongly suggest refraining from using the "Yahoo Groups" format, 
it is nowhere near as friendly as the "standard" kind.


Let me know if I can help,

Sincerely,

Greg Smith

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Re: Newbie Question

[Devin Asay]

Joe,

By "lines showing" do you mean the horizontal lines, like you see on  
notebook paper? If so, just open the property inspector for the  
field, choose "Table" from the popup list, then check "Text  
baselines", which shows the, well, baselines for the text. This is  
the same as setting the "showlines" property to true. Alternatively,  
you can check the "Horizontal Grid" checkbox, which sets the hgrid  
property to true. You can see the difference if you turn them both on  
at once.


Devin

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Everyone,

Please tell me how to create a field with the lines showing.

Joe,
Orlando, FL
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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Marielle Lange]

Hi Tom,

Don't worry, your behaviour on this list and on the RRgraphix list  
has always been exemplar. There was nothing wrong with your "Warning  
email".


Take care,
Marielle

PS. What's the purpose of a [RRgraphix]  list if we get to read all  
threads here?



Hello all listers,

I had an experience with a sample stack that at first threw me off  
and I may have responded to the what the stack did harshly. I'm not  
sure. But it brought up a point for me.


Is it considered good form to point out how someone's hard worked  
stack performs if it does so in such an unexpected way (like the  
stack that moved my menu's did but did not put them back)? In other  
words if someone makes a stack that does something 'wrong' or 'bad'  
in my opinion, would it be considered an insult or attack OR should  
it be considered a critigue simply on the stack or code and be  
considered a positive thing?


I try to take any advise or critique as a positive thing but  
sometimes I feel slighted. I was wondering how others felt about this.


P.S. The stack in question was a good stack and showed some  
interesting things that could be done with RR but I was not ready  
for it to move my menu's and not put them back. That does not take  
away from the intent of the sample.


Yours,

Tom

 


Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

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Re: Image Name (Was Re: Oh ... Image Name?)

[Dennis Brown]

On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Devin Asay wrote:



A small request. Could we avoid casual references to Deity in  
subject lines? For some of us it grates on the ears (well, ok-- 
eyes). Call me old fashioned. :-)



Yes, I feel the same way about that --and any kind of off color  
expletive for that matter --even if some letters are ### out, but not  
enough to keep from reading it.  In spoken language, one may not be  
able to catch themselves from blurting out off color punctuation from  
habit.  However, when writing, it is a conscious intent to put it  
in.  I find it in poor taste and reflecting badly on the author.   
That withstanding, most swear words, are real words with real  
definitions.  I don't mind it when someone uses one of those words  
correctly in a sentence with the intended meaning.


But hey, that is just me.

Dennis
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Re: Newbie Question

[Mark Smith]

Joe,

'set the showLines of fld "myField" to true'

Best,

Mark

On 14 Dec 2005, at 20:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Everyone,

Please tell me how to create a field with the lines showing.

Joe,
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Re: Repeat messages from the list

[Devin Asay]

Seems normal here.

Seems normal here.

Regards,

Regards,

Devin

Devin

On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Is it just me or is everyone getting repeat messages from the  
list??? I hope not. It would be a cruel joke to get all of the past  
flame war messages again!!!


Tom

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Re: Audio files won't play in 2.6.1

[Devin Asay]

Edgar,

What format are the audio files in? How are you trying to play them?  
Knowing this would help us figure out the problem.


Devin

On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:05 AM, Edgar Spees wrote:

I can't figure out why my audio files  won't play in Rev. 2.6.1. If  
it is
a compatibility problem between Rev. 2.6.1 and Mac 10.4.2 or 10.4.3  
then
the users would be talking about it. I installed Revolution 1.1.1  
on my
new Mac and opened it in System 9 and the audio files played fine.  
Anybody

have any ideas?

Edgar Spees

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Drag, Drop, Invisibility and going 'wonky' with standalones

[Mathewson]

I recently received an interesting e-mail from a chap in
Australia:

"Hi Richmond,

I?m one of the many novices to Revolution and I?ve learnt a
lot from looking at and adapting stacks like yours on the
Lexical site. I?ve adapted your stack on ?drop targets?
with the red and green images assigned to different buckets
to the identification of the five food groups. I?ve placed
images of various foods at the bottom, baskets labelled
with the appropriate 5 labels at the top. The same
procedure is used as your stack with a reset button to
return images to original positions and to set them to
visible again.

It all works fine until I save the stack as a standalone.
Once saved in this format the reset button ceases to
function. I have to close the stack in order to reset
images to their original positions etc.

I?ve tried a range of variations but I still can?t get it
to work properly.

Can you make any suggestions?

Regards

Allan Skien

PS I created another similar stack with ?fields? rather
than ?images? as the objects which are dragged into
position. This works fine with the reset button working as
required in the Standalone format.

NTOEC
Department of Employment, Education and Training
Northern Territory Government of Australia
Phone: +61 (08) 8922 2292 Fax: +61 (08) 8922 2258
www.ntoec.nt.edu.au"

As I was a bit busy at the time I sent him a file by way of
reply. That file is now available for download at the
'RRgraphix' Group (
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RRgraphix/files/ ) rather
unoriginally titled 'Drop Targets.rev'

I don't know if it solved his problem as I have not had a
reply. But I think it illustrates some interesting ideas
('visible' with images, sorting on the basis of Tooltip
contents) and would be interested to see how it would stand
up as a strandalone on various platforms.

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Re: Com Port Data Errors

[Camm29]

It works better , but many times missing the write ,

The modem issues ">" when ready to receive

So the reply for "AT00" is

ERROR
(cr)(lf)
>

I need to strip of the cr & lf and only write again when ">" is received as
fast as possible.

Camm



- Original Message -
From: "Sarah Reichelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: Com Port Data Errors


> Baud 9600 , 8 Bits , 1 Stop
>
> Trying to send command and retrieve data at < 1 second intervals via Com
Port.
>
> Something like ,
>
> repeat xx
> write "AT00" & numToChar(13) to driver COM1:
> wait - sometime
> read from driver COM1:
> put it into received
> end repeat
>
> This works great with wait time >= 1 second but errors if any faster.

Try using my Serial test stack

It uses a different method with no waiting. It writes to the com port
but has a read handler that it loops through every 5 ticks to pick up
any incoming data that might be queued.

Testing by sending "AT00" to my modem, it returns "ERROR", but it
comes back instantly.

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: Text database using custom properties

[Devin Asay]

Brian,

I'm no expert on these subjects, but I offer a couple of observations  
from my experience:


	- You'd probably want to save an optimized, plain text version of  
each memo, indexed to the styled-text memo, to speed up the search.
	- both the 'find' and 'offset' commands are very fast, even on long  
texts.
	- Could you read the text in from an external file, say, into a  
variable, then do the search. Reading in external files is also very  
fast.
	- If you plan on doing complex searches you might be better off in a  
SQL environment.


Devin

On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:44 AM, BRIAN ALLEYNE wrote:


Hi all

 I am building a note and outline manager in rev. I've worked out  
my user interface, but before going further I wanted some advice on  
text handling before working on the data engine.


 I will store  memo fields of various lengths, these would have  
styled text, and would be typed in or imported in html or rtf form  
from other applications. Some of these memo fields could run to 50  
or 60 pages of text.  I will need to quickly search for any word or  
string in these memo fields. I expect to store potentially  
thousands of these memo fields.


 I was thinking of creating a data stack and storing the memo  
fields as custom properties - in essence using rev as my database.  
I've read Dan Shafer and Richard Gaskin on this, and if I  
understand them, it seems as if this is a reasonable way to go.


 In sum, is rev good for a freetext database with thousands of  
memos or should I be looking at something like Valentina?


 I am worried about the performance hit on searching when my  
database grows to say 10, 000 memos.


 Any advice is welcome.

 best regards,

 Brian

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Newbie Question

[LunchnMeets]

Hi Everyone,

Please tell me how to create a field with the lines showing.

Joe,
Orlando, FL
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Re: [OT] [OT - Maybe] Good/Bad Form for sample stacks

[Dennis Brown]

Tom,

I "usually" contact the author directly and tell them about the "bug"  
in their app.  I do this so that they can save face (and time) by  
fixing the problem quickly and posting the problem/solution without  
being caught up in a public controversy first.


However, if a code sample is supplied on list in response to a  
question or challenge, I have observed that it is fair game to jump  
in and point out the problems/solutions directly and interactively.   
It is all in fun and learning!


That is how I operate.

Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Hello all listers,

I had an experience with a sample stack that at first threw me off  
and I may have responded to the what the stack did harshly. I'm not  
sure. But it brought up a point for me.


Is it considered good form to point out how someone's hard worked  
stack performs if it does so in such an unexpected way (like the  
stack that moved my menu's did but did not put them back)? In other  
words if someone makes a stack that does something 'wrong' or 'bad'  
in my opinion, would it be considered an insult or attack OR should  
it be considered a critigue simply on the stack or code and be  
considered a positive thing?


I try to take any advise or critique as a positive thing but  
sometimes I feel slighted. I was wondering how others felt about this.


P.S. The stack in question was a good stack and showed some  
interesting things that could be done with RR but I was not ready  
for it to move my menu's and not put them back. That does not take  
away from the intent of the sample.


Yours,

Tom




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Re: Image Name (Was Re: Oh ... Image Name?)

[Phil Davis]

Devin Asay wrote:

Good ideas, all.

A small request. Could we avoid casual references to Deity in subject  
lines? For some of us it grates on the ears (well, ok--eyes). Call me  
old fashioned. :-)


Second.

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Re: [OT] [OT - Maybe] Good/Bad Form for sample stacks

[Ken Ray]

On 12/14/05 1:17 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I had an experience with a sample stack that at first threw me off
> and I may have responded to the what the stack did harshly. I'm not
> sure. But it brought up a point for me.

It was a bit harsh (all capitals and all), but you didn't know how many
other people were going to handle it. Better would have been to email
Richmond directly offlist so that he could temporarily pull it and have
*him* post the email letting people know when the error had been corrected.

My 2 cents,


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Image Name (Was Re: Oh ... Image Name?)

[Devin Asay]

Good ideas, all.

A small request. Could we avoid casual references to Deity in subject  
lines? For some of us it grates on the ears (well, ok--eyes). Call me  
old fashioned. :-)


Thanks.

Devin

On Dec 12, 2005, at 10:47 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Jim,

I like the charToNum idea too. But doesn't the -- put the  
imageSource of char x of field "myfield" -- return blank if no  
imagesource is found?


so

repeat for each char x of field "myField"
if the imageSource of char x of field "myField" is "" then
next repeat
else
put the imageSource of char x of field "myField" after lMyLocal
end if
end repeat

put lMyLocal into field "myList"

should work,,, NO

Not tested.

Tom

On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Jim Ault wrote:


Yeah, Thomas, it would be easier as you suggest to generate a list of
[number of char, charToNum, imagesource] otherwise it could be  
difficult.
Good suggestion.  I suppose if one uses a lot of these, as in a  
library, it
might be good to create a reverse directory that includes the  
image, name,

id, (and for the meticulous) places occuring.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 12/12/05 9:25 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Yeah but you have to know what char the imagesource is in to do it
that way.

I suppose if you did not know you could do a repeat for each char  
and

put that after a new field to see.

Tom

On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:18 AM, Kathy Jaqua wrote:


Tom

Could It really be that easy?  You rule...


I 'll try that and get back to you.
Ok, ok let's see put the ...char x of field...

T H A N K  Y O U

Kathy Graves Jaqua


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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Dennis Brown]

On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Keep on keeping on,



The last time I heard that saying was 20 years ago by a wise old monk!

Dennis


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Re: Case studies gallery

[Gordon Webster]

Wow Mariella, those examples in the case studies gallery are really beautiful - 
are they rev-built applications?
  
  Inspiring stuff!
  
  Best
  
  Gordon
  

Marielle Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  As I had at least one request for a 
case studies gallery, it is now  
up and running.

Have you seen *anything* that good looking in the konfabulator gallery?

You would like yours to be added? Simple, you can use the metadata  
editor for this purpose or you can send me a text file  (preferably  
unix format, utf-8 if it contains non ascii characters) with the  
following information. For pictures, best are gif (png are a problem  
for IE) and with a width of 250px.

To help you decide between the education and case studies gallery,  
the "education" gallery links to stacks for which the source is  
accessible, the "case studies" gallery is for  commercial and non  
commercial applications distributed as compiled applications.

 


 revolution case study



 Short Title
  Description (basic html tags like 
 can be  
used)   
 (url to a file on your server or name part of the mtd  
file + .gif)
 (url to  your website or any other relevant  
page)



 your name (first and last name)
 your email address

 


Cheers,
Marielle

PS. Sorry for the strange emails from me. I posted them using the  
wrong email... they ended up in the cue, being published about a  
after I had sent them.


 

Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage
http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/
Easy access to lexical databaseshttp://lexicall.org
Supporting Education Technologists  http:// 
revolution.lexicall.org/wiki


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Re: Audio won't play in Revolution 2.6.1

[Trevor DeVore]

On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Hannu Kokko wrote:


Hi

I am seeing this also. An Mp3 file imported with the import command  
and trying to play with play command.


10.4.3 dual g5 Rev 2.6.1


Rev is having problems playing imported audio files that don't have  
the mov extension.  If you have QT Pro you could open the mp3 file  
and save as a .mov file.  This won't change the actual sound data but  
will wrap the file up in a .mov container.


You could also try just changing the extension to .mov.  I'm not sure  
if that will work or not.


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Case studies gallery

[Marielle Lange]

As I had at least one request for a case studies gallery, it is now  
up and running.


Have you seen *anything* that good looking in the konfabulator gallery?

You would like yours to be added? Simple, you can use the metadata  
editor for this purpose or you can send me a text file  (preferably  
unix format, utf-8 if it contains non ascii characters) with the  
following information. For pictures, best are gif (png are a problem  
for IE) and with a width of 250px.


To help you decide between the education and case studies gallery,  
the "education" gallery links to stacks for which the source is  
accessible, the "case studies" gallery is for  commercial and non  
commercial applications distributed as compiled applications.


 



revolution case study



Short Title
 Description (basic html tags like  can be  
used)   
(url to a file on your server or name part of the mtd  
file + .gif)
(url to  your website or any other relevant  
page)




your name (first and last name)
your email address

 



Cheers,
Marielle

PS. Sorry for the strange emails from me. I posted them using the  
wrong email... they ended up in the cue, being published about a  
after I had sent them.



 


Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage
http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/

Easy access to lexical databaseshttp://lexicall.org
Supporting Education Technologists  http:// 
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Re: Audio won't play in Revolution 2.6.1

[Hannu Kokko]

Hi

I am seeing this also. An Mp3 file imported with the import command  
and trying to play with play command.


10.4.3 dual g5 Rev 2.6.1

--h
On 7.12.2005, at 20.54, Edgar Spees wrote:


Devin -

Thanks for getting back. No, these are not compressed files.  
They're sound

files I've used many times in version 1.1.1 I imported them into to a
stack and played them using the play command.  play "myAudio"
I work for a school district in Wisconsin and our computer guy and  
I have

been working on this problem now for 2 days. I'm thinking there is a
problem playing audio on a Mac using system 10.4.2 or 10.4.3 in runrev
2.6.1 Thanks again for getting back.

Ed

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Re: Button hilites

[J. Landman Gay]

Graham Samuel wrote:

It appears to me that if a button has style 'push button', then when  
hilited, its hilite color only shows up on the Mac and not the PC;  
whereas if the style is 'square button', then you get the color on  both 
platforms. Can anyone else confirm this?


The RR docs has this on button styles:


The style of a button is one of the following:
* standard: the standard button for the current lookAndFeel setting
* transparent: no border; name is displayed but background is  
transparent

* opaque: background is the opaque backgroundColor of the button
* rectangle: opaque rectangular or square button with a border
* roundRect: opaque rectangular or square button with rounded corners
* shadow: opaque rectangular or square button with a drop shadow
* menu: a menu whose appearance is set by the menuMode property
* checkbox: a checkbox option button
* radioButton: a radio button



note that 'push' and 'square' aren't mentioned , even though they  both 
appear in the 'style' popup in the property inspector for a  button. 
Fairly obviously, 'square' is a synonym for 'rectangle' in  this 
context, but which one is 'push'?


That one is the "standard" button style. This button takes on the OS 
native default appearance. So whatever is standard for the OS is what 
you will see when the button is pressed. If you want a custom hilite, 
you'll have to use one of the other styles.


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Re: LTRIM, RTRIM

[Yves COPPE]

Le 14-déc.-05 à 14:07, Jerry Muelver a écrit :

Are there in RF functions complementary to BASIC's RTRIM and LTRIM  
functions? Or, is this kind of chunk manipulation a "do it  
yourself" project?


I have
.title, Going Home





i have found such functions in the archives :

function libString_rtrim inputString
  # Syntax...: libString_rtrim inputString [charlist]
  # Details..: This function returns a string with whitespace  
stripped from the end of the inputString.
  #  : Without the second parameter the following characters  
will get stripped:

  #  :   SPACE (ASCII 32 (0x20)), an ordinary space
  #  :   TAB   (ASCII  9 (0x09)), a tab
  #  :   LF(ASCII 10 (0x0A)), a new line (linefeed)
  #  :   CR(ASCII 13 (0x0D)), a carriage return
  #  :   NUL   (ASCII  0 (0x00)), a NUL-byte
  #  : (ASCII 11 (0x0B)), a vertical tab
  #  : You can also specify additional characters you want  
to strip by passing a comma delimited list as the optional

  #  : second parameter (charlist).
  local charlist
  put SPACE & COMMA & TAB & COMMA & LF & COMMA & CR & COMMA &  
numToChar(0) & COMMA & numToChar(11) into charlist
  -- check to see if there was additional characters passed to be  
added to the charlist

  if (paramCount() = 2) then
put COMMA & param(2) after charlist
  end if
  -- trim off the extra characters
  repeat
if (char -1 of inputString is among the items of charlist) then
  delete char -1 of inputString
else
  exit repeat
end if
  end repeat
  return inputString
end libString_rtrim

function libString_ltrim inputString
  # Syntax...: libString_ltrim inputString [charlist]
  # Details..: This function returns a string with whitespace  
stripped from the beginning of the inputString.
  #  : Without the second parameter the following characters  
will get stripped:

  #  :   SPACE (ASCII 32 (0x20)), an ordinary space
  #  :   TAB   (ASCII  9 (0x09)), a tab
  #  :   LF(ASCII 10 (0x0A)), a new line (linefeed)
  #  :   CR(ASCII 13 (0x0D)), a carriage return
  #  :   NUL   (ASCII  0 (0x00)), a NUL-byte
  #  : (ASCII 11 (0x0B)), a vertical tab
  #  : You can also specify additional characters you want  
to strip by passing a comma delimited list as the optional

  #  : second parameter (charlist).
  local charlist
  put SPACE & COMMA & TAB & COMMA & LF & COMMA & CR & COMMA &  
numToChar(0) & COMMA & numToChar(11) into charlist
  -- check to see if there was additional characters passed to be  
added to the charlist

  if (paramCount() = 2) then
put COMMA & param(2) after charlist
  end if
  -- trim off the extra characters
  repeat
if (char 1 of inputString is among the items of charlist) then
  delete char 1 of inputString
else
  exit repeat
end if
  end repeat
  return inputString
end libString_ltrim


Hope this helps

Greetings.

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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Thomas McGrath III]

R,

I really didn't mean anything bad at all by posting. I was thrown off  
and responded quickly. I am glad you are forgiving and fun loving. i  
like people like you. I consider myself in a similar way. The  
'rebels' of the list? grin ;-)


Keep on keeping on,



Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Mathewson wrote:


Oh, H*ll!

Tom - let me deal with this in 2 parts:

1. I thought that 'put the screenRect' would use the size
of the screen the stack was currently running on - may be
not???

2. If you go an look - you will see that I have replaced
the offending stack with a variant with all the lines that
ove the menu and tools stacks commeneted out, and the "TOOL
BARS !" button has also gone. There is also a 'graceful'
posting admitting "defeat".

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Thomas McGrath III]

I've seen that too. Maybe there are third party apps that can do the  
lookups for you. I did find other apps for my stock lookups.



Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Mark,

Yes they do have an API for streaming applications, but you have to  
pay dearly for the use of it each month.  For the low cost (about  
$13/month) service, they confine you to using their limited  
functionality browser (Java) interface.


Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

Dennis, have you contacted the supplier to ask if they have an API  
that would enable you to link a rev app directly to their service?  
They might have such a thing based on Soap/XML or somesuch that  
you could work with.


Mark

On 14 Dec 2005, at 18:00, Dennis Brown wrote:


Tom,

I did check for this.  The Java applet runs inside a browser.   
There are no Applescript commands to control it that I can tell.   
I also tried Automator and tried the recording function in  
Applescript Studio, but no good.


Thanks,
Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Dennis,

I would see if the streaming stock app is Applescript-able. If  
it is then REV can do this for you using Applescript. The newest  
version of Applescript has a lot of new features including  
clicking at a buttons location and support for apps that do not  
have much applescript support.


Check out Applescript's website for more info:
Resources:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/resources/

Applescript Studio:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/studio/

Online Docs for Apps:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/apps/

HTH

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:20 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Hi Control Experts!

I am running OS X 10.4 with Safari.  I have a real time  
streaming stock graphing applet for a service that I subscribe  
to.  It has a field to enter the stock symbol and a submit  
button.  I would like to have Rev send the symbol to the field  
and punch the submit button.  Only problem, is that I don't  
have the foggiest idea about how to go about doing that.   
Anyone have any ideas?


Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Thomas McGrath III]

My screenRect is 0,0,1600,1000
My screenLoc is 800,500

My upper left screen corner (where my menu should be) is at 367,43

You have the script set to (item 3 of screenRect) 1600/2=800 which is  
at the center of my screen. That is where the menubar gets put after  
running your script in "Tool Bars". This may work on your screen due  
to your screen size but that won't work on other screens.


The other item to RESTORE the toolbar is set to 800,500 which is my  
screen center. That is not where it was before your stack loaded.
 It would be better BEFORE moving someone's menus to capture there  
locations first then restore them on quitting and or in a button


on preOpenStack
global oldrevMenuBar, oldrevToolBar
put the loc of stack "revMenuBar" into oldrevMenuBar
put the loc of stack "revToolBar" into oldrevToolBar
end preOpenStack

on mouseUp
global oldrevMenuBar, oldrevToolBar
  -- put item 3 of the screenRect into WID
  -- put item 4 of the screenRect into HITE
  set the lockscreen to true
  -- move stack "revMenuBar" to (WID/2), 40
  -- move stack "revTools" to (WID/2), (HITE/2)
  set the loc of stack "revMenuBar" to oldrevMenuBar
  set the loc of stack "renToolBar" to oldrevToolBar
  set the lockscreen to false
 end mouseUp


Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Mathewson wrote:


YES, TL.rev does move menus and the toolbar offscreen.

BUT, there is a BUTTON clearly displayed which RESTORES
everything: button "TOOL BARS !"

so, confusing it may be; "bad form" it is not!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:26am
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WARNING!  This is just bad form If you create a stack
that will move someones menus
off screen or even at all THEN YOU MUST provide for a way
to move them back. A newbie
would be horrorfied. Please either remove this stack or
fix it.

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[OT] [OT - Maybe] Good/Bad Form for sample stacks

[Thomas McGrath III]

Hello all listers,

I had an experience with a sample stack that at first threw me off  
and I may have responded to the what the stack did harshly. I'm not  
sure. But it brought up a point for me.


Is it considered good form to point out how someone's hard worked  
stack performs if it does so in such an unexpected way (like the  
stack that moved my menu's did but did not put them back)? In other  
words if someone makes a stack that does something 'wrong' or 'bad'  
in my opinion, would it be considered an insult or attack OR should  
it be considered a critigue simply on the stack or code and be  
considered a positive thing?


I try to take any advise or critique as a positive thing but  
sometimes I feel slighted. I was wondering how others felt about this.


P.S. The stack in question was a good stack and showed some  
interesting things that could be done with RR but I was not ready for  
it to move my menu's and not put them back. That does not take away  
from the intent of the sample.


Yours,

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[RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Mathewson]

Oh, H*ll!

Tom - let me deal with this in 2 parts:

1. I thought that 'put the screenRect' would use the size
of the screen the stack was currently running on - may be
not???

2. If you go an look - you will see that I have replaced
the offending stack with a variant with all the lines that
ove the menu and tools stacks commeneted out, and the "TOOL
BARS !" button has also gone. There is also a 'graceful'
posting admitting "defeat".

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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Thomas McGrath III]

Richmond,

You have the script set to (item 3 of screenRect)which is 1600/2=800  
which is at the center of my screen. That is where the revMenuBar  
gets put after running your script in "Tool Bars". This may work on  
your screen due to your screen size but that won't work on other  
screens. Also 40 is not where my menuBar is but rather 43.


The other item to RESTORE the revtoolBar is set to 800,500 which is  
my screen center. That is not where it was before your stack loaded.


My screenRect is 0,0,1600,1000
My screenLoc is 800,500

My upper left screen corner (where my menu should be) is at 367,43

 It would be better BEFORE moving someone's menus to capture there  
locations first then restore them on quitting and or in a button


on preOpenStack
global oldrevMenuBar, oldrevToolBar
put the loc of stack "revMenuBar" into oldrevMenuBar
put the loc of stack "revToolBar" into oldrevToolBar
end preOpenStack

on mouseUp
global oldrevMenuBar, oldrevToolBar
  -- put item 3 of the screenRect into WID
  -- put item 4 of the screenRect into HITE
  set the lockscreen to true
  -- move stack "revMenuBar" to (WID/2), 40
  -- move stack "revTools" to (WID/2), (HITE/2)
  set the loc of stack "revMenuBar" to oldrevMenuBar
  set the loc of stack "renToolBar" to oldrevToolBar
  set the lockscreen to false
 end mouseUp


Tom


On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Mathewson wrote:


YES, TL.rev does move menus and the toolbar offscreen.

BUT, there is a BUTTON clearly displayed which RESTORES
everything: button "TOOL BARS !"

so, confusing it may be; "bad form" it is not!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson


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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Mark Smith]

Ah, that old up-the-price trick. A shame :(

Mark

On 14 Dec 2005, at 18:40, Dennis Brown wrote:


Mark,

Yes they do have an API for streaming applications, but you have to  
pay dearly for the use of it each month.  For the low cost (about  
$13/month) service, they confine you to using their limited  
functionality browser (Java) interface.


Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

Dennis, have you contacted the supplier to ask if they have an API  
that would enable you to link a rev app directly to their service?  
They might have such a thing based on Soap/XML or somesuch that  
you could work with.


Mark

On 14 Dec 2005, at 18:00, Dennis Brown wrote:


Tom,

I did check for this.  The Java applet runs inside a browser.   
There are no Applescript commands to control it that I can tell.   
I also tried Automator and tried the recording function in  
Applescript Studio, but no good.


Thanks,
Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Dennis,

I would see if the streaming stock app is Applescript-able. If  
it is then REV can do this for you using Applescript. The newest  
version of Applescript has a lot of new features including  
clicking at a buttons location and support for apps that do not  
have much applescript support.


Check out Applescript's website for more info:
Resources:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/resources/

Applescript Studio:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/studio/

Online Docs for Apps:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/apps/

HTH

Tom

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Hi Control Experts!

I am running OS X 10.4 with Safari.  I have a real time  
streaming stock graphing applet for a service that I subscribe  
to.  It has a field to enter the stock symbol and a submit  
button.  I would like to have Rev send the symbol to the field  
and punch the submit button.  Only problem, is that I don't  
have the foggiest idea about how to go about doing that.   
Anyone have any ideas?


Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Dennis,

Yeah, it must be safari or that fact it is a web app. I did  
successfully record a menu item and screen button in a non apple  
scriptable app but was nervous with that as a solution cause the  
button/window could be moved.


Will keep looking.

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Tom,

I was surprised that it did not, but the docs says that it will not  
do that.  If I clicked in the Finder areas, it only recorded that I  
selcted the Finder.  It did not record anything when I clicked on  
other applications.  I thought Safari would have been more scriptable.


Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Dennis,

The recording function -- Are you able to at least record a click  
at the button location?


Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:

I also tried Automator and tried the recording function in  
Applescript Studio, but no good.


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Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)

[Mark Wieder]

MisterX-

Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 9:48:23 AM, you wrote:

> Somewhere, things work the same everywhere - the OOP phylosophy
> helps us make that work better in Rev. Yes, not the same way as 
> in C++ or real OOP languages. But Object Based Programming is 
> definitely not less efficient. And Xtalk has it's object oriented
> tricks that defy C++ logic :)

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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Dennis Brown]

Mark,

Yes they do have an API for streaming applications, but you have to  
pay dearly for the use of it each month.  For the low cost (about $13/ 
month) service, they confine you to using their limited functionality  
browser (Java) interface.


Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

Dennis, have you contacted the supplier to ask if they have an API  
that would enable you to link a rev app directly to their service?  
They might have such a thing based on Soap/XML or somesuch that you  
could work with.


Mark

On 14 Dec 2005, at 18:00, Dennis Brown wrote:


Tom,

I did check for this.  The Java applet runs inside a browser.   
There are no Applescript commands to control it that I can tell.   
I also tried Automator and tried the recording function in  
Applescript Studio, but no good.


Thanks,
Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Dennis,

I would see if the streaming stock app is Applescript-able. If it  
is then REV can do this for you using Applescript. The newest  
version of Applescript has a lot of new features including  
clicking at a buttons location and support for apps that do not  
have much applescript support.


Check out Applescript's website for more info:
Resources:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/resources/

Applescript Studio:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/studio/

Online Docs for Apps:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/apps/

HTH

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:20 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Hi Control Experts!

I am running OS X 10.4 with Safari.  I have a real time  
streaming stock graphing applet for a service that I subscribe  
to.  It has a field to enter the stock symbol and a submit  
button.  I would like to have Rev send the symbol to the field  
and punch the submit button.  Only problem, is that I don't have  
the foggiest idea about how to go about doing that.  Anyone have  
any ideas?


Thanks,
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[RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Mathewson]

Hi Tom,
  just had a look at my code andd found:

1. restores 'revtools.rev' to centre screen - has a drag
bar at the top.

2. restores 'revMenuBar.rev' to "(WID/2),40" where 'WID' is
 item 3 of the screenRect, and '40' is 40 pixels from the
top of the screen - now it restores revMenuBar to exactly
that under Mac OS X; not the centre of the screen.

HOWEVER; just to show what a "Dear Chap" I am (cough,
cough) I am going to replace the current version with one
where the lines of code that hide those stacks commented
out.

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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Dennis Brown]

Tom,

I was surprised that it did not, but the docs says that it will not  
do that.  If I clicked in the Finder areas, it only recorded that I  
selcted the Finder.  It did not record anything when I clicked on  
other applications.  I thought Safari would have been more scriptable.


Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Dennis,

The recording function -- Are you able to at least record a click  
at the button location?


Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:

I also tried Automator and tried the recording function in  
Applescript Studio, but no good.


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Re: MS Office and XML

[Andre Garzia]

On Dec 14, 2005, at 4:19 PM, MisterX wrote:


There's rawa data in SQL.

Being able to store binary data in a format is maybe unfriendly to  
someone
at one point but that's trivial compared to the advantages that  
this feature

brings or can bring to your apps ;)



Err... Xavier... Err... XML cannot contain binay data... it's on the  
spec... nothing forbids you to do that, but somewhere, in some old  
RFC, we all agreed we would not put binary data on XML files, you  
should uucode, base64 or create some sane way to pack binary data in  
XML, or you might end up with corrupted data as your xml travels  
different networks and different systems.


There are many ways to encode binary data for XML transportation...  
Inserting raw binary data into a XML node doesn't sound right for me.


Cheers
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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Thomas McGrath III]

If you mean it moves the menuBar to center screen and the toolbar to  
screencenter, well it does do that BUT that is not moving them back  
to where they were at all and most people do not know how to move the  
menuBar to its original position.


Tom

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BUT, there is a BUTTON clearly displayed which RESTORES
everything: button "TOOL BARS !"


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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

[Thomas McGrath III]

Doesn't work here at all. It moved my menus and did not put them back  
at all.


Yes that is bad form.

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Mathewson wrote:


YES, TL.rev does move menus and the toolbar offscreen.

BUT, there is a BUTTON clearly displayed which RESTORES
everything: button "TOOL BARS !"

so, confusing it may be; "bad form" it is not!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson


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Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

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YES, TL.rev does move menus and the toolbar offscreen.

BUT, there is a BUTTON clearly displayed which RESTORES
everything: button "TOOL BARS !"

so, confusing it may be; "bad form" it is not!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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> that will move someones menus 
> off screen or even at all THEN YOU MUST provide for a way
> to move them back. A newbie 
> would be horrorfied. Please either remove this stack or
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[OT] Another note to Mr. X

[Jim Carwardine]

Sorry, list.  Just one more [OT] email to make sure Xavier and I can talk...

Xavier, I sent an email to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.  Is this the address you want
me to use?  Jim


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RE: MS Office and XML

[MisterX]

> Marielle,
> 
> MS has submited the new format to ECMA to create a "open" 
> standard, this is not the current format, this is an attempt 
> to beat OpenDocument and the F/OSS initiatives out there. I 
> bet they are putting raw binary data inside the XML, but 
> that's just me being pessimistic.
> 
> Cheers
> andre
> 

There's rawa data in SQL. 

Being able to store binary data in a format is maybe unfriendly to someone
at one point but that's trivial compared to the advantages that this feature
brings or can bring to your apps ;)

Just heard of a company using HSM* archival over DB2 for some 120 million
files...  * 

Today, HSM is done over redundant self-healing disks... ;)

80% of your data is old stuff so basically this puts it off into a cheap
cloud of disks over the network and all you see is a shortcut to the file...

cheers
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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Mark Smith]

Dennis, have you contacted the supplier to ask if they have an API  
that would enable you to link a rev app directly to their service?  
They might have such a thing based on Soap/XML or somesuch that you  
could work with.


Mark

On 14 Dec 2005, at 18:00, Dennis Brown wrote:


Tom,

I did check for this.  The Java applet runs inside a browser.   
There are no Applescript commands to control it that I can tell.  I  
also tried Automator and tried the recording function in  
Applescript Studio, but no good.


Thanks,
Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Dennis,

I would see if the streaming stock app is Applescript-able. If it  
is then REV can do this for you using Applescript. The newest  
version of Applescript has a lot of new features including  
clicking at a buttons location and support for apps that do not  
have much applescript support.


Check out Applescript's website for more info:
Resources:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/resources/

Applescript Studio:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/studio/

Online Docs for Apps:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/apps/

HTH

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:20 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Hi Control Experts!

I am running OS X 10.4 with Safari.  I have a real time streaming  
stock graphing applet for a service that I subscribe to.  It has  
a field to enter the stock symbol and a submit button.  I would  
like to have Rev send the symbol to the field and punch the  
submit button.  Only problem, is that I don't have the foggiest  
idea about how to go about doing that.  Anyone have any ideas?


Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Dennis,

The recording function -- Are you able to at least record a click at  
the button location?


Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:

I also tried Automator and tried the recording function in  
Applescript Studio, but no good.


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Repeat messages from the list

[Thomas McGrath III]

Is it just me or is everyone getting repeat messages from the list???  
I hope not. It would be a cruel joke to get all of the past flame war  
messages again!!!


Tom

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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Dennis Brown]

Tom,

I did check for this.  The Java applet runs inside a browser.  There  
are no Applescript commands to control it that I can tell.  I also  
tried Automator and tried the recording function in Applescript  
Studio, but no good.


Thanks,
Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Dennis,

I would see if the streaming stock app is Applescript-able. If it  
is then REV can do this for you using Applescript. The newest  
version of Applescript has a lot of new features including clicking  
at a buttons location and support for apps that do not have much  
applescript support.


Check out Applescript's website for more info:
Resources:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/resources/

Applescript Studio:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/studio/

Online Docs for Apps:
http://www.apple.com/applescript/apps/

HTH

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:20 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Hi Control Experts!

I am running OS X 10.4 with Safari.  I have a real time streaming  
stock graphing applet for a service that I subscribe to.  It has a  
field to enter the stock symbol and a submit button.  I would like  
to have Rev send the symbol to the field and punch the submit  
button.  Only problem, is that I don't have the foggiest idea  
about how to go about doing that.  Anyone have any ideas?


Thanks,
Dennis
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Re: preopenstack and openstack handler under Rev 2.6.1 OS X

[Pierre Sahores]

Le 8 déc. 05 à 16:59, Eric Chatonet a écrit :


Could you share your problem on the list?
Can help...


Here is the code...


on preOpenStack
  if the short name of this stack is not "klimax" then pass  
PreOpenStack


  put " Please, wait. Rev app's server loading..."
  set twelveHourTime to false
  put "Rev TCP/IP APP'S server up since" && the short date & "," &&  
the short time into binfo


  # start using stack "aslibsmtp"

  set itemdel to "/"
  put "/" & item 2 to -2 of the long name of this stack & "/" into  
Lepath
  put "/" & item 2 to -3 of the long name of this stack & "/" into  
LepathRacine


  ### Fonctions communes de binding du serveur PostgreSQL :  
Début ###


  #  if the platform is "MacOS" then
  #repeat for each item i in revOpenDatabases()
  #  get revdb_disconnect(i)
  #end repeat
  #put revOpenDatabase 
("PostgreSQL","localhost","progis","postgres","postgres") into  
PGLinkOpen

  #  else if the systemversion is "Linux 2.4.18-4GB"
  #  then put "psql -h localhost progis -U postgres" into PgPath
  #  else put "/usr/local/pgsql/bin/psql -h localhost progis -U  
postgres" into PgPath


  ### Fonctions communes de binding du serveur PostgreSQL : Fin  



  set the socketTimeoutInterval to "10"
  if the windows is "klimax"
  then accept connections on port "967" with message "newconnect"
  else accept connections on port "9678" with message "newconnect"

  send doGlobalsInit to btn "metier"
  openstack

  open file Lepath & "rev-as_log.txt" for append
  if the result is not "" then
write cr & the result & cr to file Lepath & "rev-as_log.txt"
put " " & the result after Pboot
  else write return & return & "Open sockets :" && the opensockets  
& return & return to file Lepath & "rev-as_log.txt"

  close file Lepath & "rev-as_log.txt"

  replace " eof" with "" in Pboot
  if the num of words in Pboot > 0
  then put "klimax app server not up :" & Pboot
  else put binfo

end preOpenStack



on openstack
  set the tool to "browse"
  if the windows is not "klimax" then
set the rect of window "message box" to "6,59,407,131"
set the topleft of window "klimax" to "440,69"
  end if
end openstack



on opencard
  # if the environment is not "development" then start using "LibURL"
end opencard


...


on doGlobalsInit

  put url ("file:" & Lepath & "gd-graphics.php") into MaskGDG
  put url ("file:" & Lepath & "header.html") into HeadInclude
  put url ("file:" & Lepath & "footer.html") into BotInclude
  put url ("file:" & Lepath & "mask.html") into MaskKLX

end doGlobalsInit


Thanks for your help !



Le 8 déc. 05 à 16:56, Pierre Sahores a écrit :

Merci Eric. C'est donc bien le contenu que j'utilise dans le  
propenstack qui n'est plus supporté de la même manière entre les  
2.6 et 2.6.1...


Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
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Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Jim,

I like the charToNum idea too. But doesn't the -- put the imageSource  
of char x of field "myfield" -- return blank if no imagesource is found?


so

repeat for each char x of field "myField"
if the imageSource of char x of field "myField" is "" then
next repeat
else
put the imageSource of char x of field "myField" after lMyLocal
end if
end repeat

put lMyLocal into field "myList"

should work,,, NO

Not tested.

Tom

On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Jim Ault wrote:


Yeah, Thomas, it would be easier as you suggest to generate a list of
[number of char, charToNum, imagesource] otherwise it could be  
difficult.
Good suggestion.  I suppose if one uses a lot of these, as in a  
library, it
might be good to create a reverse directory that includes the  
image, name,

id, (and for the meticulous) places occuring.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 12/12/05 9:25 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Yeah but you have to know what char the imagesource is in to do it
that way.

I suppose if you did not know you could do a repeat for each char and
put that after a new field to see.

Tom

On Dec 13, 2005, at 12:18 AM, Kathy Jaqua wrote:


Tom

Could It really be that easy?  You rule...


I 'll try that and get back to you.
Ok, ok let's see put the ...char x of field...

T H A N K  Y O U

Kathy Graves Jaqua


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Re: Interupting wait

[Thomas McGrath III]

I think the "wait until the sound is done with messages" can help  
here. I don't know if it will stop the wait command but it will allow  
for other commands to be started etc.


From the Docs:
The wait command freezes execution for the specified amount of time,  
or until the specified condition has been met, or until a message has  
been sent.


If the wait..with messages form is used, Revolution continues normal  
processing during the wait. The current handler is frozen, but the  
user can start other handlers and perform other actions such as  
switching cards.


HTHs

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 12:24 PM, Preston Shea wrote:

Is there a way for the user to interrupt a "wait until the sound is  
done"

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RE: debugger problem

[MisterX]

Hi Cal

Try to clear the breakpoints from your stack.
save the stack and try again...

hopefully that will fix it...

cheers
Xavier 

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Sunday, 11 December, 2005 20:42
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: debugger problem
> 
> Hi!,   I have many different assumptions about what is 
> causing the problem, but
> rather than to keep grasping at straws I have been looking at 
> the Embassy
> and i saw your reply to a debugger question. So here I am   
> I'm running Rev 2.6.1 in a windows XP Pro environment.   I've 
> used Rev since version 2.2.1 and this is the first time this problem
> has come up.   When I open debugger, or the app I'm testing 
> hits a breakpoint and opens up,
> the debugger has lost the Step In, Step Over, etc buttons at 
> the bottom of the window and all of the menu items that are 
> the same (step in, step over,
> etc.) are "grayed out".   I have deleted and installed 
> different versions of Rev. and it still happens
>So I am stumped. And of course the debugger is too good a 
> tool for me to
> have to go back to the old way of testing and fixing.   TIA   Cal   .
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RE: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)

[MisterX]

Dan, Dave,

Interesting. I've used MVC concepts without knowing what it was! ;)

Until I read Wiki! I love that thing!

Did the same thing with Xanadu... I thought I had an original idea
developping modular CMS stacks in HyperCard back in 1980s but now
this is really taking a dimension of it's own. 

That's the Tao, you know you're on the path or not ;)

The thing about MVC is that it is an excellent coding practice 
that applies well to rev. OK, I've never coded MVC compliant 
anything but from the wiki page, that's pretty much the attitude 
I take in TAOO or any other stack which is to do the IO, GUI and 
ouput as modular, hence as independent and disparate from the 
other.

For example: if you make an import button or add an Import menuitem
in your gui. Or why not do both? And hop, you need to have one 
handler, not different functions in the button and menu...

Another day, another stack, another import feature. Do you reuse 
that import function you used the first time or make a new one?

Somewhere, things work the same everywhere - the OOP phylosophy
helps us make that work better in Rev. Yes, not the same way as 
in C++ or real OOP languages. But Object Based Programming is 
definitely not less efficient. And Xtalk has it's object oriented
tricks that defy C++ logic :)

As the wiki page said, there remains bounds where MVC is or not 
so good. Optimal Rev coding with Object or patterns is not alien 
to rev. 

But don't try to apply them as if rev was C++ or smalltalk.

keep the good in C or ST but please use the better in rev to
make them better - C or ST compatibility is not the point - we
work at a higher level in rev - lower level objects and higher
level objects can mix but not the same...

That's the key advantage to separating objects (rev objects) into
a class of it's own. Naturally dependencies cannot be avoided but
in releasing the XOSMediaLib, I had no trouble integrating parts 
of a larger framework with distributed classes into my stack. 

Copy paste and hop!

And this little action is just like compiling C apps the old way
with Make! And I could automate it too - but foo the scripting 
time ;)... 

Pieces of gui with a logic of their own across different 
applications or cloning features across heterogeneous 
applications dealing with different objects - is in anyway
you look at them just fields, buttons and media in an interface. 

If the gui parts all speak the same language, you soon have some 
kind of synergy... I call it TAOO ;) It's not that simple but
that's the principle "way" of doing things ;)

MVC seems nice... adequate and antiquated in some cases too... 
But it enforces better coding practices such as portability, 
maintainability and other ility qualities of good software. 

I sure learned a lot from these 3 letters in just this week! ;)

Thanks for bringing it up and showing me some light in my project's
architecture... Something I can relate to or relate to others... 

cheers
Xavier

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> Sent: Wednesday, 14 December, 2005 03:33
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: MVC (was Text database using custom properties)
> 
> Dave
> 
> Short answer (and admittedly over-simplistic) is that Rev 
> doesn't lend itself to MVC app design and construction. To do 
> true MVC you need an object-oriented environment, which Rev 
> decidedly is not.
> 
> If you want to take the project you describe to MVC, I 
> suggest you look at an MVC-based app framework. It'll save 
> you tons of time.
> 
> But since that's not about how to use Rev, I'll shut up now.
> 
> :-)
> 
> On 12/12/05, Dave LeYanna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > David;
> >
> > I read a little about the benefits of using MVC but I had a little 
> > trouble mapping that paradigm to Rev. One of the major 
> issues wasn't 
> > really Rev related but really needed to be thought through 
> and I came 
> > up blank and confused
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I really would like to use MVC if I can because I am on the brink of a
> > LARGE project that needs to last a long time and go through 
> a lot of 
> > contortions by many different programmers over it's 
> lifetime. We are a 
> > non-profit and I am "converting" an old FoxPro for DOS 
> system that was 
> > started in the 80s (and still runs in a DOS window... on a 50 user 
> > network with some data access provided to 5 other offices 
> across the 
> > state.
> >
> >
> >
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how to beat confabulator

[Marielle Lange]

The only hickup though is that if we clicked on a rev url to
download the widget, it would launch another instance of
rev (in windows) which could be disastrous (in my pro opinion
as a pc user) or for mac users, i might not be recognized as
a rev file...


I agree this is a problem. Guess what, I have now found the way to  
guarantee download when the user clicks. I will implement that in a  
few days (next week, as I will again be away for a few days).


To improve the snippet and tutorial pages, I need a code colorization  
script, written in php. Has anybody a script of that kind, easy to  
hack and adapt to my needs?


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Pretty stacks made with Runrev

[Marielle Lange]

Bill,

Thanks for the warning. I am used to test locally first before  
uploading and I copied the wrong address. This is of course the  
popular education gallery:




15 entries added!

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