date:20060627


On 26/6/06 22:05, Jim Carwardine wrote:
 Yes, that's my problem... Cmd-period didn't work... And there appears to be
 no substitution remedy.  I was developing a script and wanted to test a
 piece of logic inside a repeat loop so I put in an answer variable line as I
 always do.  Then I got an answer dialogue with each iteration of about 1500
 iterations which was impossible when I couldn't abort the handler.  BTW
 cmd/s doesn't work either... Jim

Hi Jim,

I don't think there's any problem with cmd-period in OS-X; but there is, and 
always has been, a problem that cmd-period doesn't work if you've got a modal 
dialog in the way.


The problem is that the modal dialog (which of course in Rev is really another 
stack, with its own event loop) exists in another thread or execution layer 
(I don't know technically how its implemented, I'm just trying to express how 
it behaves.)  So cmd-period works perfectly well as an interrupt; but if the 
answer dialog is up, you're just interrupting that, and since it wasn't doing 
anything anyway, nothing happens.   Then you click OK, and you're back in the 
stuck loop.  If you were really, unfeasibly, quick, you could click OK and 
then type cmd-period to the underlying stack before it throws up the next 
answer dialog, and then you'd stop it OK.  But typically in this situation, 
Rev is too fast for you.


This applies as much to Windows and OS 9 as OS X; however, you do have a 
couple more chances saving your data on the Mac, see below.


I've got into this situation many times, typically I have some data-processing 
loop, and I think that I'd like to know if some situation that should never 
occur does so.  So I put in a just in case alert, click the button - and 
then it turns out that due either to my misunderstanding, or erroneous coding, 
the test fires on every one of 10,000 lines.


If I remember, I put in a 'hold down shift' emergency exit to escape from 
loops like this.  Increasingly, I've tried to train myself to put in 
breakpoint for that situation, instead of or just after the answer call. 
But of course from time to time I forget and get bit again.


Once when I was working on a shell that was to host a variety of data 
processing scripts, I took a copy of the Rev answer stack, and modified it to 
include a button that would do exit to top as a kind of emergency stop 
button.  It's so cool that in Rev you can do this... but unfortunately, it 
didn't solve it.  Just like cmd-period, exit to top when executed from 
inside the modal dialog affected only that 'layer'.  There seend as far as I 
could tell to be no way to really halt the underlying script; it's suspended 
when the modal dialog is invoked; but regardless of what happens while the 
modal dialog is open, once closed the underlying script is resumed.


I set off a correspondence on the improve list, wait, let me see... just over 
four years ago!... on exactly this topic, but we never found a good solution. 
 Unfortunately, this was before Bugzilla had been opened to the users, and so 
nothing was entered anywhere persistent that might help.


So much for deep background.  No doubt you've force-quit by now anyway.  But 
for future use:


a) cmd-period works in general just as well in OS-9 as in OS-X.  But there's 
no way to abort a script when an answer dialog is showing, unless you coded 
for the possibility (ie 'answer xxx with Stop or Continue/if it = Stop 
then exit to top).


b) I keep an applescript file handy called Rev Saviours.  It has a variety 
of useful expressions in it which I uncomment and try when I'm in a situation 
like this.


The one that helps here looks like this:

   tell application Revolution
  do script close stack \Answer Dialog\ ; save topStack()
   end tell

You'll still be stuck in your loop - but your stack has been saved, so as long 
as you weren't worried about data in variables, you can force-quit with an 
easy heart.



c) If you do have to resort to force-quit, make sure that you can see your 
stack when you do it.  In some situations on OS X, when Rev is force-quit it 
briefly offers to save your stack - if you immediately click the button, it 
really does do so.


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paste into field does not trigger closefield

2006-06-27 Thread kee nethery

If I type data into a field, when I leave the field it gets a  
closefield message and I have a handler for that.


When I paste text into a field and leave the field without typing  
anything, the field does not get a closefield message and my handler  
never gets called.


Watching the message watcher doesn't present any obvious solution for  
what to use to catch the paste into a text field. Do I have to write  
a handler that traps a set of keystrokes (command V) and then sends  
the field a closefield event?


What does everyone else do?

Kee Nethery
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Re: Parameters of pending messages -- is 'it' volatile?


On 26/6/06 23:16, Erik Hansen wrote:

one question, is 'it' volatile?


get the result -- should be the message id
put tMessage into gaMessageID2message[it]


or:
put the result into esto
put tMessage into gaMessageID2message[esto]

'it' is more concise, is it really as safe?


Hang on, isn't that discussion going on somewhere else in this forest?

The answer is yes.

'it' is a handy local variable, avaliable for any use, also set by some 
built-in commands, of which get is one.  The only ways that 'it' is unsafe 
are if you forget about this, and expect the value to be preserved across one 
of the commands that changes it.  If you're unsure, don't use it; but you can 
always use it in consecutive commands, as above.


You can think of it like lighting cigarettes in the trenchs of World War I: 
the rule was that they could use one match to light two cigarettes, but if 
they used the same match to light a third, they were at risk from a sniper. 
If you set it in one statement, and use it in the next statement, that's 
always going to be safe.  By the third statement, you have to consider whether 
the second statement might have changed it.



thanks for the applicable cognition.

:/

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longer.  In a couple of months we're changing it.  You won't have our (old) 
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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-27 Thread Thomas McGrath III


Richard,

Votes are precious so although I am very interested in this I don't  
think I have enough votes left to apply to it.


I would say that maybe some crossover between a Flash/Java output and  
a Rev development app would help greatly in this endeavor.


Maybe an Object exporter from with in Rev that exports objects into a  
format useful in flash with built in functionality.


Tom McG

On Jun 27, 2006, at 12:25 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


. . . or, better yet, a translator which exports the fully
functional Revolution stack into a format
like Flash or QuickTime.


Or even Java, which may be a closer fit in a lot of ways, and  
there's a lot of example code on generating byte code.


Yeah, I'd like this option for some things.  There may even be a  
feature request filed in Bugzilla for this.  I wonder how many  
votes it's gotten.


In the meantime, for Web deployment it's hard to beat Flash, just  
as for desktop applications it's hard to beat Rev.  I suppose it'd  
be ideal to have one tool that does everything optimally, but since  
both tools are pretty cheap and (at least in my work) it's rare  
that I'd want to make the same thing for web deployment and as a  
desktop app, maybe two tools isn't a deal breaker for either.


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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-27 Thread Jim Carwardine

Yes, I did force quit.  I guess the confusion was that cmd/period does work
if you are not in a repeat loop because I just naturally use it if I need
to... Jim

on 6/26/06 6:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 Jim Carwardine wrote:
 Hi Folks... I've just upgraded to Rev 2.7.2 in OS X and can't seem to get
 command/period to abort a handler in an infinite repeat loop.  It that only
 a Classic function?  How do I do it in OS X?  I can't look it up in the rev
 docs because my IDE is busy inside my repeat loop which I can't abort.  I'd
 like to be able to save the script changes so I don't want to force quit.
 
 How do I abort a handler?  Jim
 
 You've probably already force-quit by now, but just for the record, you
 can't get out of one of these and force-quitting is about all you can
 do. This has hit me many times, and now I am (almost) in the habit of
 inserting a line like this into every new repeat loop I write:
 
  if the shiftkey is down then exit repeat
 
 Once I know the thing works okay, I generally take the line out. But it
 has saved me multiple times.
 
 For some reason, Command-period can't break into a repeat loop. I think
 the engine runs those as fast as it can without checking the keyboard
 input. You might want to Bugzilla this, because it happens a lot.

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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-27 Thread Jim Carwardine

An amazingly detailed answer... I did try and beat the loop by clicking ok
and then hitting cmd/period.  Couldn't beat it.  I like your suggestions for
remedies.  I will implement them but, at the same time, I'll put in the on
shiftKey trapdoor as well... Jim

on 6/27/06 6:48 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

 On 26/6/06 22:05, Jim Carwardine wrote:
 Yes, that's my problem... Cmd-period didn't work... And there appears to be
 no substitution remedy.  I was developing a script and wanted to test a
 piece of logic inside a repeat loop so I put in an answer variable line as I
 always do.  Then I got an answer dialogue with each iteration of about 1500
 iterations which was impossible when I couldn't abort the handler.  BTW
 cmd/s doesn't work either... Jim
 
 Hi Jim,
 
 I don't think there's any problem with cmd-period in OS-X; but there is, and
 always has been, a problem that cmd-period doesn't work if you've got a modal
 dialog in the way.
 
 The problem is that the modal dialog (which of course in Rev is really another
 stack, with its own event loop) exists in another thread or execution layer
 (I don't know technically how its implemented, I'm just trying to express how
 it behaves.)  So cmd-period works perfectly well as an interrupt; but if the
 answer dialog is up, you're just interrupting that, and since it wasn't doing
 anything anyway, nothing happens.   Then you click OK, and you're back in the
 stuck loop.  If you were really, unfeasibly, quick, you could click OK and
 then type cmd-period to the underlying stack before it throws up the next
 answer dialog, and then you'd stop it OK.  But typically in this situation,
 Rev is too fast for you.
 
 This applies as much to Windows and OS 9 as OS X; however, you do have a
 couple more chances saving your data on the Mac, see below.
 
 I've got into this situation many times, typically I have some data-processing
 loop, and I think that I'd like to know if some situation that should never
 occur does so.  So I put in a just in case alert, click the button - and
 then it turns out that due either to my misunderstanding, or erroneous coding,
 the test fires on every one of 10,000 lines.
 
 If I remember, I put in a 'hold down shift' emergency exit to escape from
 loops like this.  Increasingly, I've tried to train myself to put in
 breakpoint for that situation, instead of or just after the answer call.
 But of course from time to time I forget and get bit again.
 
 Once when I was working on a shell that was to host a variety of data
 processing scripts, I took a copy of the Rev answer stack, and modified it to
 include a button that would do exit to top as a kind of emergency stop
 button.  It's so cool that in Rev you can do this... but unfortunately, it
 didn't solve it.  Just like cmd-period, exit to top when executed from
 inside the modal dialog affected only that 'layer'.  There seend as far as I
 could tell to be no way to really halt the underlying script; it's suspended
 when the modal dialog is invoked; but regardless of what happens while the
 modal dialog is open, once closed the underlying script is resumed.
 
 I set off a correspondence on the improve list, wait, let me see... just over
 four years ago!... on exactly this topic, but we never found a good solution.
 Unfortunately, this was before Bugzilla had been opened to the users, and so
 nothing was entered anywhere persistent that might help.
 
 So much for deep background.  No doubt you've force-quit by now anyway.  But
 for future use:
 
 a) cmd-period works in general just as well in OS-9 as in OS-X.  But there's
 no way to abort a script when an answer dialog is showing, unless you coded
 for the possibility (ie 'answer xxx with Stop or Continue/if it = Stop
 then exit to top).
 
 b) I keep an applescript file handy called Rev Saviours.  It has a variety
 of useful expressions in it which I uncomment and try when I'm in a situation
 like this.
 
 The one that helps here looks like this:
 
   tell application Revolution
  do script close stack \Answer Dialog\ ; save topStack()
   end tell
 
 You'll still be stuck in your loop - but your stack has been saved, so as long
 as you weren't worried about data in variables, you can force-quit with an
 easy heart.
 
 
 c) If you do have to resort to force-quit, make sure that you can see your
 stack when you do it.  In some situations on OS X, when Rev is force-quit it
 briefly offers to save your stack - if you immediately click the button, it
 really does do so.
 
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Re: paste into field does not trigger closefield

2006-06-27 Thread Klaus Major


Hi Kee,

If I type data into a field, when I leave the field it gets a  
closefield message and I have a handler for that.


When I paste text into a field and leave the field without typing  
anything, the field does not get a closefield message and my  
handler never gets called.


Watching the message watcher doesn't present any obvious solution  
for what to use to catch the paste into a text field. Do I have to  
write a handler that traps a set of keystrokes (command V) and then  
sends the field a closefield event?


What does everyone else do?


you could catch the pastekey message like this one:

on closefield
  ##do your thing
end closefield

on pastekey
  send closefield to me in 10 millisecs
  pass pastekey
end pastekey

Tested and works here :-)

Check also copykey etc...


Kee Nethery


Regards

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Re: paste into field does not trigger closefield


On 27/6/06 11:37, kee nethery wrote:
If I type data into a field, when I leave the field it gets a closefield 
message and I have a handler for that.


When I paste text into a field and leave the field without typing 
anything, the field does not get a closefield message and my handler 
never gets called.


Watching the message watcher doesn't present any obvious solution for 
what to use to catch the paste into a text field. Do I have to write a 
handler that traps a set of keystrokes (command V) and then sends the 
field a closefield event?


What does everyone else do?


What I do is whinge for a while, then do something like this:

on keyDown
  setCompDirty true
  pass keyDown
end keyDown

on returnInField
  setCompDirty true
  pass returnInField
end returnInField

on deleteKey
  setCompDirty true
  pass deleteKey
end deleteKey

on backspaceKey
  setCompDirty true
  pass backspaceKey
end backspaceKey

on cutKey
  setCompDirty true
  pass cutKey
end cutKey

on pasteKey
  setCompDirty true
  pass pasteKey
end pasteKey

In this case I've got a form with a number of fields on it, so I'm not so 
bothered about when the user leaves the field; setCompDirty does things like 
enable Save and Revert buttons, and make sure that stuff happens when they 
leave the form.  But if you really wanted something to happen when the field 
is 'exited', with a change, then I'd guess you could trap both exitField and 
closeField, with the former checking a flag set in some manner analogous to 
the above.


A while ago on the x-talks list I proposed a fieldChanged message, to be 
sent to a field the first time the text in it changes - whether by typing, 
deleting, cut and pasting, drag and dropping, etc - anything except purely 
programmatic changes.  One idea was that it should be sent on every change, 
just saving you from remembering all the possible messages to catch (and I 
note that my list above, from an actual app, won't catch drag and drop 
changing, oops).  Another idea was that it should be sent just once, and then 
not again until reset.  We discussed 'reset' possibilities including 
automatic, once the field loses focus (ie, essentially, when a 
closeField/exitField message has been sent); or manual, ie a property of the 
field that could be reset to indicate that you want to know the next time it 
happens too... unfortunately we got bugged down in these and other discussions 
about how exactly this should work, and it never got bugzilla'd it... but 
perhaps I'll dig out the details and have another go.


HTH,

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Re: Rev Robotics

2006-06-27 Thread Ian Wood


On 27 Jun 2006, at 03:40, Marty Knapp wrote:

I just had a friend talk to me about software that could be used  
for robotics. I seem to remember some mention of Revolution being  
used by somebody here for this. Any help and resources would be great.


If you are using OS X it would probably be worth looking at http:// 
www.bkohg.com/serviceusbplus_e.html as they actually offer a Rev  
external for controlling their breakout box. There are also several  
people on the list who have done stuff with serial port connections.


Personally, I'm waiting for my Lego Mindstorms NXT set to turn up.  
You can communicate with it via Bluetooth, so it may be possible to  
hack up communication via a virtual serial port.


http://www.bnxt.com/blog/2006/02/how-to-use-your-phone-as-nxt- 
remote.html


Ian
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export PNG weirdness

2006-06-27 Thread Chris Carroll-Davis


Hello all.

I want to output a transparent PNG of formatted text in a field.   
Fine. I use the following script that acts on a non-opaque field:


on mouseUp
  put /Users/chris/Desktop/transtext.png into fPath
  export snapshot from field transText to file fPath as PNG
end mouseUp

Works fine if just roman text is used in field.  Makes a lovely RGB  
png with black text on a transparent background.


However... if I type in some Japanese text into the field, I get  
square black blobs instead of Japanese characters.   If I set the  
opaque of the field to true the text renders correctly but on a solid  
background - which, naturally, I don't want...  Interestingly, if the  
field contains just Japanese, the resulting png seems to be generated  
as an 8-bit indexed colour image.


Can anyone shed any light on this?  I guess there is some issue with  
the way Rev renders unicode(?) in a field.



Chris
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Re: paste into field does not trigger closefield

2006-06-27 Thread Martin Baxter


kee nethery wrote:
If I type data into a field, when I leave the field it gets a closefield 
message and I have a handler for that.


When I paste text into a field and leave the field without typing 
anything, the field does not get a closefield message and my handler 
never gets called.


Watching the message watcher doesn't present any obvious solution for 
what to use to catch the paste into a text field. Do I have to write a 
handler that traps a set of keystrokes (command V) and then sends the 
field a closefield event?


What does everyone else do?


I've never encountered the issue.

I don't have a Mac handy to try it on right now, but I just tested it on 
this windows machine and I don't see this problem in either RR 2.1.2 or 
2.7.2


I wonder what that indicates? If it makes a difference, my pastes always 
go through my own script, which issues the paste command, and the 
clipboard is always plain text.


Martin Baxter

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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???

FYI... I found that while Command (or Control) - period doesn't work, 
Command-S will often save the stack. That takes a bit of the pain out of the 
force-quit. 



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Re: export PNG weirdness

2006-06-27 Thread David Glasgow

Hey!  I bumped into this earlier today.  I had some fields that had 
exported to PNG fine under 2.2, but one or two went really blocky under 
2.7.2.  I compared their properties, and found that the yucky ones were 
transparent.  The font was Verdana, so it doesn't look like a unicode 
thing.  I can live with opaque buttons in this app, so didn't bother me 
too much


Best Wishes,

David Glasgow
Carlton Glasgow Partnership

http://www.i-psych.co.uk.
On 27 Jun 2006, at 1:09 pm, Chris Carroll-Davis wrote:

However... if I type in some Japanese text into the field, I get 
square black blobs instead of Japanese characters.   If I set the 
opaque of the field to true the text renders correctly but on a solid 
background - which, naturally, I don't want...  Interestingly, if the 
field contains just Japanese, the resulting png seems to be generated 
as an 8-bit indexed colour image.



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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-27 Thread Stephen Barncard


interestingCMD-PERIOD never worked in Rev for me... ever.

sqb



So much for deep background.  No doubt you've force-quit by now 
anyway.  But for future use:


a) cmd-period works in general just as well in OS-9 as in OS-X.  But 
there's no way to abort a script when an answer dialog is showing, 
unless you coded for the possibility (ie 'answer xxx with Stop or 
Continue/if it = Stop then exit to top).


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RE: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-27 Thread Lynn Fredricks

 So, for the Revolution author who wants to take advantage of 
 all of the authoring prowess of Revolution, yet wants to also 
 enjoy the added benefit of regular sales transactions, he or 
 she might be best served by a compromise in the form of a 
 standard browser plug-in, which fully displays all of the 
 functionality of a Revolution stack . . . or, better yet, a 
 translator which exports the fully functional Revolution 
 stack into a format like Flash or QuickTime.

Hi Greg,

In terms of training, the channel is FILLED with product that definitely is
not delivered by way of a browser at all, though they may incorporate
Quicktime video playback (just like Revolution does).

One problem with developing a standard browser plugin is that there are
still multiple browsers out there, and multiple versions of those browsers,
and supporting them can be a nightmare.

There are reasons for using different tools that depend entirely on your
project. There are downsides to delivering a media message directly through
a browser as compared to a heavy client like Revolution - again, the
number of downsides depends on the details of your project.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd








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Re: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-27 Thread Rob Cozens


Hi Bill,


where's my Tablet PC support?


Have you voted for it?

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3252

Have you given it the maximum 5 votes?

Would you like to look at a stack representing my best efforts at 
attaining TPC compliance?  If so, contact me privately.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee.

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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???


Ben Rubinstein wrote:

I don't think there's any problem with cmd-period in OS-X; but there is, 
and always has been, a problem that cmd-period doesn't work if you've 
got a modal dialog in the way.


Very true, but I think there's a problem with Command-period inside any 
repeat loop as well, regardless of whether it displays a modal or not.


Try this:

on test
 put 0 into tNum
 repeat
  if the shiftkey is down then exit repeat
  add 1 to tNum
  put tNum
 end repeat
end test

Issue test from the message box. Now try to Command-period out of it. 
If the shiftkey bypass wasn't in there, you'd have to force-quit.


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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

T'aint the same as displaying content embedded in the middle of a web page; 
and still requires (as every other possible solution would) the end user to 
download something on their disk; but it occurs to me that we might, with 
little effort, at least be able to get to the state that PDF is on for many 
people.


That is, while some browsers display PDF as a whole window within the browser, 
many others simply hand off a PDF file linked from a web page to Acrobat or 
Preview.


At least on the Mac, I think it would be simple to write a standalone that 
when launched, sets itself as the handler for eg the protocal revhttp:. 
Then instead of telling to people to launch Rev and type

go to URL http://xxx;

in the message box, you'd simply have a link like this on a web page:
a href=revhttp://xxx;click to run/a

When the user clicks it, the browser hands it off to the standalone, which 
will be launched if necessary - the standalone gets the message to open that 
URL, realises it is a rev stack to be accessed by http, fetches the stack, opens.


I know the basic mechanism (browser handing off URL to app written in Rev) 
works, because I used it recently to have links in web page causing a 
Rev-based app to display some relevant information.  In that case I was 
manually configuring the Mac to link the 'protocol' to my app, but I assume 
this can be done programatically. (My suggestion above, assuming it's trivial, 
is to make the standalone runner be its own installer in this respect.)


I never did discover how to set up a custom protocal mapping like this on 
Windows - does anyone know?


If this idea actually strikes anyone as useful, perhaps the RevInterop group 
might like to consider if there are some guidelines that might be useful to 
standardise on.


Also (Lynn?) - while clearly a Studio/Enterprise user can set something like 
this up for themselves/their own user base, would RunRev have issues about 
this?  Maybe (unless everyone thinks this is a totally dumb idea) this 
functionality could be built into the forthcoming enhanced Rev Player.


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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???


On 27/6/06 16:27, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Ben Rubinstein wrote:

I don't think there's any problem with cmd-period in OS-X; but there 
is, and always has been, a problem that cmd-period doesn't work if 
you've got a modal dialog in the way.


Very true, but I think there's a problem with Command-period inside any 
repeat loop as well, regardless of whether it displays a modal or not.


Try this:

on test
 put 0 into tNum
 repeat
  if the shiftkey is down then exit repeat
  add 1 to tNum
  put tNum
 end repeat
end test

Issue test from the message box. Now try to Command-period out of it. 
If the shiftkey bypass wasn't in there, you'd have to force-quit.


Huh?  Ooer... 2.7 bug.   I tried your test in 2.6.1 (currently still my 
production system) and in 2.5.1, because I happened to have it open as well 
- cmmd-period interrupted fine in both cases.


Then I launched the 2.7.1 that I have for gingerly dipping my toe into - and I 
see your point!  I'm just trying to update it to 2.7.2 (though it's a shame to 
lose the 2.x.1 rhythm) - but I assume that a modern person such as yourself is 
using that already.


So this is a bug introduced in some version of 2.7 - does this represent a 
touching confidence by RunRev that their user-programmers are now so 
sophisticated that they'll never make mistakes anymore, sort of like Steve 
Jobs removing the reset switch on Macs?  Feels like another reason for me to 
stick on 2.6.1, since I know just how not-sophisticated *I* am!


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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-27 Thread GregSmith


Judy:

Exactly, not only do people NOT want to go to the trouble of downloading yet
another browser plug-in, they especially do not want to go to the trouble of
installing an application which they have never heard of, on a machine they
may not own.  This all boils down to people being ignorant and conditioned
and suspicious . . .   and there is no turning back now.  Especially not
with all the mobile this and cell phone that.  This is painfully and
specifically true to those who try to sell anything online that may depend,
somewhat, on impulse.

And, remember, both Flash and QuickTime players come already installed in
the most popular and current web browsers.  The less the user has to do, the
more they will use it, the more they will trust it, and the less it will
matter what software was used to author it.

Greg Smith
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http://www.nabble.com/Revolution-Media-Presentation-Viewable-on-Web--tf1846212.html#a5068603
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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???


On 27/6/06 16:39, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
So this is a bug introduced in some version of 2.7 - does this represent 
a touching confidence by RunRev that their user-programmers are now so 
sophisticated that they'll never make mistakes anymore, sort of like 
Steve Jobs removing the reset switch on Macs?  Feels like another reason 
for me to stick on 2.6.1, since I know just how not-sophisticated *I* am!


Minor update: this bug is still present in 2.7.2; it applies even after
'suspend development environment'; but it doesn't apply to standalones built
with 2.7.2, ie cmd-period interrupts fine.  So it's not in the 2.7.2 engine,
it's something in the 2.7.x IDE - and something that isn't suspended.

I've added this to Bugzilla as #3713.

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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-27 Thread GregSmith

As a non-committed Revolution explorer, my expectations are quite high,
these days, when I purchase any new authoring tool. Prices are plummetting
everywhere and I expect very much bang for my buck. After four days of
searching for the ultimate Mac-based web authoring product, I found that all
of them, except Revolution, (of any flavor), output my efforts as Flash or
QuickTime or CSS or HTML. Most of these solutions were either extremely
elementary in the kind of content they could produce, or too cryptic with
not enough user examples and tutorials, to catch my dollar.

Revolution Media really caught my interest because of its friendly nature,
its low price and its ability to harness Transcript, the least intimidating
programming language out there, (I think). Silly me, I just assumed that it
would generate some kind of standard web (browser) output that would retain,
at least most of the interactivity, I built in. It is not out of the
question that a $49 authoring application would include this kind of
functionality.

No matter which version of Revolution you are trying to sell, nor how
technically educated the applicant may be, the guys and gals who pay their
wages all think mainly in terms of The Web for online dellivery of
multimedia content. And the potential purchaser of a product like Media
will be thinking along those same lines.

Greg Smith
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display correct data mySQL statement

2006-06-27 Thread Robert Mann

I run my statement and get the info from the mysql table place it info a fld
spaced by tabs
I have tried this
put word 34 of fld Select springcalc into fld views
to then display the data,which works fine if you have data in each cell of
the table, any cell that does not have data then gets put into the wrong
cell there after so if 32 has no data it will put 33 into the spot where 32
should go and so on

so is there a way to select the data from the fld by tabs, if so how?
If I look at the data in the fld it shows the empty spaces(tabs)

Thanks
Robert Mann


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Re: display correct data mySQL statement


On 27/6/06 17:13, Robert Mann wrote:

I run my statement and get the info from the mysql table place it info a fld
spaced by tabs
I have tried this
put word 34 of fld Select springcalc into fld views
to then display the data,which works fine if you have data in each cell of
the table, any cell that does not have data then gets put into the wrong
cell there after so if 32 has no data it will put 33 into the spot where 32
should go and so on

so is there a way to select the data from the fld by tabs, if so how?
If I look at the data in the fld it shows the empty spaces(tabs)


set the itemDelimiter to tab

then use item 34 etc in place of word 34.

Word separation is 'funny' (aka 'smart') so it does things like collapse runs 
of whitespace.  Item delimiting is 'dumb' (aka 'straightforward') so two blank 
tabs (or whatever the delimiter is) count as having an empty item in between them.


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Re: display correct data mySQL statement

2006-06-27 Thread Jim Ault

set the itemdel to tab
put item 32 of fld Select springcalc

of course, you could sometimes do
set the itemDel to comma

for path names, file names
set the itemDel to /
put item -1 of thisPath into thisFileName

set the itemDel to .
put item -1 of thisPath into fileNameEnding

Caution:
because of the way Transcript defines items and lines, you are not counting
the number of delimiters, but the number of items/lines.  This will lead to
a special case of the last item being empty, or the last line being empty.

In transcript, this is not counted, thus

get the number of items in (one,two,three,four,)  -- is 4
get the number of items in (one,two,three,four,null)  -- is 5
--the same for lines, thus if you are retrieving tables that have a last row
or column that is empty, and are counting to control repeat loops, retrieve
values, etc, then use the form

repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in (textBlocknull)
-- is correct count every time


Jim Ault
Las Vegas 


On 6/27/06 9:13 AM, Robert Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I run my statement and get the info from the mysql table place it info a fld
 spaced by tabs
 I have tried this
 put word 34 of fld Select springcalc into fld views
 to then display the data,which works fine if you have data in each cell of
 the table, any cell that does not have data then gets put into the wrong
 cell there after so if 32 has no data it will put 33 into the spot where 32
 should go and so on
 
 so is there a way to select the data from the fld by tabs, if so how?
 If I look at the data in the fld it shows the empty spaces(tabs)
 
 Thanks
 Robert Mann
 
 
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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???


Ben Rubinstein wrote:

On 27/6/06 16:39, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
So this is a bug introduced in some version of 2.7 - does this 
represent a touching confidence by RunRev that their user-programmers 
are now so sophisticated that they'll never make mistakes anymore, 
sort of like Steve Jobs removing the reset switch on Macs?  Feels like 
another reason for me to stick on 2.6.1, since I know just how 
not-sophisticated *I* am!


Minor update: this bug is still present in 2.7.2; it applies even after
'suspend development environment'; but it doesn't apply to standalones 
built
with 2.7.2, ie cmd-period interrupts fine.  So it's not in the 2.7.2 
engine,

it's something in the 2.7.x IDE - and something that isn't suspended.


Good sleuthing. I didn't realize it was an IDE thing. That should be 
much easier to fix than an engine bug.  Thanks for reporting it.


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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-27 Thread Jeffrey Reynolds


Jim,

actually use my own flag since i sometimes leave debugging stuff  
turned on in the standalone when wanting to track things in the  
standalone or kill loops problems when they show up there. also  
sometimes want these turned off when in the development environment  
for testing before moving to a standalone. its useful to be in  
control of this flag. usually have a toggle button for it on the main  
card until near the end of development to allow these functions to be  
turned on and off until near the end of development.


cheers,

jeff

Jeffrey Reynolds



On Jun 27, 2006, at 5:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



you could also use the built-in
if the environment is development then showDevelopOptions


hate stripping code when i am already through part of testing to easy
to screw something up that was working perfectly well and then theres
usually that one gotcha later in testing that its nice to have your
early debugging stuff still there and available for use in figuring
out what is going wrong... I also use it to pass results repeat end
numbers and other variables into a displayable field so i can easily
watch what is going on in more complex scripts that need tweaking.
again only displayed if the field is show and the development mode
variable is set right.


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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???


J. Landman Gay wrote:

Ben Rubinstein wrote:

On 27/6/06 16:39, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
So this is a bug introduced in some version of 2.7 - does this 
represent a touching confidence by RunRev that their user-programmers 
are now so sophisticated that they'll never make mistakes anymore, 
sort of like Steve Jobs removing the reset switch on Macs?  Feels 
like another reason for me to stick on 2.6.1, since I know just how 
not-sophisticated *I* am!


Minor update: this bug is still present in 2.7.2; it applies even after
'suspend development environment'; but it doesn't apply to standalones 
built
with 2.7.2, ie cmd-period interrupts fine.  So it's not in the 2.7.2 
engine,

it's something in the 2.7.x IDE - and something that isn't suspended.


Good sleuthing. I didn't realize it was an IDE thing. That should be 
much easier to fix than an engine bug.  Thanks for reporting it.




I sort of take this back. I just tried it in the MC IDE and it also 
fails there.


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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???


On 27/6/06 18:15, J. Landman Gay wrote:

J. Landman Gay wrote:

Ben Rubinstein wrote:

Minor update: this bug is still present in 2.7.2; it applies even after
'suspend development environment'; but it doesn't apply to 
standalones built
with 2.7.2, ie cmd-period interrupts fine.  So it's not in the 2.7.2 
engine,

it's something in the 2.7.x IDE - and something that isn't suspended.


Good sleuthing. I didn't realize it was an IDE thing. That should be 
much easier to fix than an engine bug.  Thanks for reporting it.




I sort of take this back. I just tried it in the MC IDE and it also 
fails there.


Interesting - I guess that's in some sense consistent with the fact that the 
problem is still present after Suspend Development Tools.  Do you confirm 
(in case I'm mad) that interrupt is still working in standalones?


Perhaps you could also add your MC findings to BZ 3713.

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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-27 Thread Trevor DeVore


On Jun 27, 2006, at 8:46 AM, GregSmith wrote:
Exactly, not only do people NOT want to go to the trouble of  
downloading yet
another browser plug-in, they especially do not want to go to the  
trouble of
installing an application which they have never heard of, on a  
machine they
may not own.  This all boils down to people being ignorant and  
conditioned
and suspicious . . .   and there is no turning back now.   
Especially not

with all the mobile this and cell phone that.  This is painfully and
specifically true to those who try to sell anything online that may  
depend,

somewhat, on impulse.


Hi Greg,

While generally true, I have found that if content is truly  
compelling to a person they are willing to take the necessary steps  
to get that content.


The common forms of e-learning deployment are definitely through a  
web browser.  If you have content that is aimed at a broad target  
market then this probably is the best solution.  That doesn't mean it  
is the best solution for all markets.  There are many benefits to  
delivery in a browser but one of the big cons is off-line viewing.


My company creates e-learning software.  While the e-learning model  
we use would apply in many areas we target the medical industry,  
specifically ultrasound.  Off-line viewing of content that is always  
up to date is critical as training often occurs on the road or in a  
doctor's exam room where internet connectivity might not be  
available.  Our solution was a desktop application that synchs with  
online content similar to the way you synch a PDA.


We have deployed this solution in a few large corporations as well as  
to the public and had very positive feedback.  I think we are able to  
create a better overall experience for users using a desktop  
solution.  Since our target market finds the content deployed in our  
e-learning system compelling they are willing to perform the initial  
download.


And, remember, both Flash and QuickTime players come already  
installed in
the most popular and current web browsers.  The less the user has  
to do, the
more they will use it, the more they will trust it, and the less it  
will

matter what software was used to author it.


The points I would question here are how much a user will use or  
trust content based on the ease of acquiring the content.  It seems  
to me that people make the most use of things that they find useful.   
I know of an e-learning solution that were deployed on the web at  
great expense but which was then taken down relatively quickly  
because it was deemed useless.  It was too hard to use.  Regardless  
of your delivery format, the user experience dictates how often the  
user will use it.


People trust names that are familiar to them and that they have a  
positive opinion of.  If a customer has a need of learning something  
about a product they purchased from Company ABC and that company  
provides training then the customer wants access to it (whether on  
paper, web, etc.).  Their opinion of Company ABC is going to be  
affected by the quality of the training that the company provides.   
If the training meets the customers needs, a positive opinion is  
gained and trust increases.  If the training is not good the opposite  
occurs.  I believe this happens regardless of the medium of  
delivery.  Just this weekend I heard complaints about companies  
because of their inadequate assembly instructions.  One was about  
furniture from IKEA and the other about an isolation booth (for music  
studios).


So I would argue that just because a user has less to do to get  
content does not ensure success.  It is the user experience that  
ultimately decides success.  If you can provide that for your target  
market in a browser, great.  If they are better served by a web  
enabled desktop application then take that route.



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Re: U3 apps and rev

Done!

Now perhaps you can return the favor by voting for

http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=670

:)

Rob Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
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 Hi Bill,

where's my Tablet PC support?

 Have you voted for it?

 http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3252

 Have you given it the maximum 5 votes?



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Rev standalone as a service on Windows XP

I know it's possible to write faceless applications with Rev... is it 
possible to write a service?

[Services are programs that automatically run at startup (before a user logs 
in), run under their own separate session, can be started and stopped, and 
generally have no user interface] 



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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

Apple publicly demonstrated a plugin that enabled HyperCard stacks to be run 
within web pages. Unfortunately it never saw distribution. Flash and 
Director both have connections to HyperCard from way back. Frankly, a 
web-plugin is a natural for Rev. It would let us developers write games and 
really awesome interfaces to data sources... the mind boggles at the 
possibilities.

What we're really talking about is a new distribution channel for our 
creative work. All the philosophical musings about whether the plugin wars 
are over or whether Rev is an apple or an orange are moot. The dust has far 
from settled on the Internet.

I'd like to see Rev make a nice web plugin. A meg or 2 isn't really that 
awful nowadays. The key issue would be security/sandbox concerns. 



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Re: [FIX] How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-27 Thread iMed Edition


The problem is fixed with:

set the allowinterrupts to true

This should be the default at startup but I found it was set to false  
in the current version.



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Re: [FIX] How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-27 Thread Peter T. Evensen

It appears to default to false in the IDE of 2.7.2  It seems like it should 
be true.


At 01:42 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote:

The problem is fixed with:

set the allowinterrupts to true

This should be the default at startup but I found it was set to false
in the current version.


Peter T. Evensen
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Re: paste into field does not trigger closefield

2006-06-27 Thread kee nethery



On Jun 27, 2006, at 4:13 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

you could catch the pastekey message like this one:

on closefield
  ##do your thing
end closefield

on pastekey
  send closefield to me in 10 millisecs
  pass pastekey
end pastekey


It does not work for me in 2.6.1.
I tried it first in the stack script as a generic that would send  
closefield to the target and it never got called.

I moved it to the card script, same thing.
Moved it to the specific field and changed it from sending closefield  
to the target to sending it to me and that didn't get called.

Very strange.
Thanks for the advice, I'll play with this a bit longer to see why it  
is not working for me.

Kee

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Re: Rev standalone as a service on Windows XP

2006-06-27 Thread runrev260805

Hi, 

i don´t know the answer, sorry. 
But if it is not possible, give FireDaemon http://www.firedaemon.com a try. 
With firedaemon you can install and run any application as a windows service. I 
did not try it with apps created with Revolution, but with vbs scripts and 
small exe i created with VB.

Another tool similar to the above is AtYourService

http://www.prismmicrosys.com/atyourservice/index.htm

And here´s a description How to create your own user-defined services unter 
Win NT/200x/XP, if you want to do it without the tools above:

http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=197

Best regards,

Matthias

 Original Message 
Subject: Rev standalone as a service on Windows XP (27-Jun-2006 20:21)
From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I know it's possible to write faceless applications with Rev... is it 
 possible to write a service?
 
 [Services are programs that automatically run at startup (before a user 
 logs 
 in), run under their own separate session, can be started and stopped, and 
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Re: paste into field does not trigger closefield


On 27/6/06 19:54, kee nethery wrote:


On Jun 27, 2006, at 4:13 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

you could catch the pastekey message like this one:

on closefield
  ##do your thing
end closefield

on pastekey
  send closefield to me in 10 millisecs
  pass pastekey
end pastekey


It does not work for me in 2.6.1.
I tried it first in the stack script as a generic that would send 
closefield to the target and it never got called.

I moved it to the card script, same thing.
Moved it to the specific field and changed it from sending closefield to 
the target to sending it to me and that didn't get called.

Very strange.
Thanks for the advice, I'll play with this a bit longer to see why it is 
not working for me.


You may well be on top of this, but just in case: note that 'pasteKey' 
literally only catches using the keyboard shortcut to paste; if the user uses 
paste from the standard edit menu, the pasteKey message isn't sent.


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Re: [FIX] How do I abort a handler in OS X???


On 27/6/06 19:47, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
It appears to default to false in the IDE of 2.7.2  It seems like it 
should be true.


At 01:42 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote:

The problem is fixed with:

set the allowinterrupts to true

This should be the default at startup but I found it was set to false
in the current version.


Excellent catch, Peter - thank you.  I had checked for the cantAbort of the 
stack, but not the global allowInterrupts.


I've added this info to BZ.

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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???


Ben Rubinstein wrote:

On 27/6/06 18:15, J. Landman Gay wrote:

J. Landman Gay wrote:

Ben Rubinstein wrote:

Minor update: this bug is still present in 2.7.2; it applies even after
'suspend development environment'; but it doesn't apply to 
standalones built
with 2.7.2, ie cmd-period interrupts fine.  So it's not in the 2.7.2 
engine,

it's something in the 2.7.x IDE - and something that isn't suspended.


Good sleuthing. I didn't realize it was an IDE thing. That should be 
much easier to fix than an engine bug.  Thanks for reporting it.




I sort of take this back. I just tried it in the MC IDE and it also 
fails there.


Interesting - I guess that's in some sense consistent with the fact that 
the problem is still present after Suspend Development Tools.  Do you 
confirm (in case I'm mad) that interrupt is still working in standalones?


Perhaps you could also add your MC findings to BZ 3713.


Did another test and guess what -- allowInterrupts was set to false. 
When it is changed to true, Command-period does work. So whatever is 
setting the default value of allowInterrupts is consistent; possibly its 
in the engine?


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Re: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-27 Thread Peter T. Evensen

Is it really hot unplugging shutdown or do you only get the shutdown 
messages when you choose eject from the U3 menu?


BTW, I got a thumb drive from someone at a convention I was at last week 
(not the Rev convention) and was surprised to see it was a U3 Thumbdrive!


At 01:15 PM 6/25/2006, you wrote:
I think it's the 'hot plugging shutdown' feature that's special about what 
they do. I agree it's already possible to make 'portable apps' on any 
thumb drive without U3.


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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-27 Thread Richard Gaskin


J. Landman Gay jacque wrote:
Did another test and guess what -- allowInterrupts was set to false. 
When it is changed to true, Command-period does work. So whatever is 
setting the default value of allowInterrupts is consistent; possibly its 
in the engine?


Bug in v2.7.x:
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=3704

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Re: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-27 Thread Peter T. Evensen

I do remember him saying that.  I was wondering the utility, since you 
can't save to a device that isn't there.


Since the Launchpad has an Eject button, I was wondering if it only gave 
notification of you click that button.


BTW, I just tried a test with the RunRev U3 Prototyper, and if you Install 
from my computer a .u3p, it appears on the Launchpad.


At 03:47 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote:

Peter T. Evensen wrote:

Is it really hot unplugging shutdown or do you only get the shutdown 
messages when you choose eject from the U3 menu?


The gentleman from U3 at RevCon, Nathan Gold, gave a very polished 
presentation of the smart drives, which included a demonstration of this 
notification in action -- it is indeed sent when the device is removed, 
provided your application has been written to respond to the message.


While it's handy to have that notification, I can see only two real-world 
uses for it:


- Unique to U3: If you need to leave a machine immediately, you can have 
apps shut down instantly.  The downside to this of course is that you'd 
lose any data in memory, but you would have an instant exit.


- Not unique to U3: Your app can advise the user that they need to 
re-insert the device in order to save their data.  While convenient to 
provide that notice at the time the drive is removed, you can also provide 
that notice in any app running from any removable media when a Save is 
attempted and the volume is no longer present.


The U4 initiative (which aims to provide a helpful subset of U3 
behaviors for all removable drives) encourages the latter at a minimum, 
and may include a polling mechanism to provide the former as well:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/U4-Group/

U4 attempts to put the Universal back in USB. :)



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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-27 Thread Richard Gaskin


Bill Marriott wrote:

Apple publicly demonstrated a plugin that enabled HyperCard stacks to be run 
within web pages. Unfortunately it never saw distribution. Flash and 
Director both have connections to HyperCard from way back. Frankly, a 
web-plugin is a natural for Rev. It would let us developers write games and 
really awesome interfaces to data sources... the mind boggles at the 
possibilities.


What we're really talking about is a new distribution channel for our 
creative work. All the philosophical musings about whether the plugin wars 
are over or whether Rev is an apple or an orange are moot. The dust has far 
from settled on the Internet.


If you can get backing for the development of such a plugin I'm fairly 
confident RunRev would happily receive the money.


But in my experience such investors are hard to find.  I've not had a 
conversation with them yet that didn't end with Why not just use Flash?


I'd like to see Rev make a nice web plugin. A meg or 2 isn't really that 
awful nowadays. The key issue would be security/sandbox concerns. 


The Rev engine already provides support for a very strong level of 
security, both in the Player and available to any standalone with the 
secureMode property, which prevents all file I/O, registry settings, 
shell commands, and other such calls that can be used for malicious ends.


But like you say, that doesn't address the ubiquity question, the desire 
to be able to have nothing more than a URL to experience the software.


A plugin doesn't address that either, since it would still need to be 
downloaded and installed just like any app, so I'm not certain that's 
really the best option (try having that conversation with university or 
hospital IT staff and the knowledgeable ones will raise as many 
questions about a new plugin as they would about a new app).



So what to do for presentation?


Well, why not use the world's most popular presentation layer on the web?

When we consider that the browser experience really deals with only a 
subset of what Rev can deliver, maybe there's a whole different way to 
approach this: JavaScript/DHTML (what newcomers to web development are 
now calling AJAX).


JS provides interactivity in a scripting engine everyone already has 
installed, and can handle a reasonable subset of the sorts of Rev things 
that would make sense within a browser window.


One could even take this idea further by incorporating SVG so you can 
have vectors as well (I have a prototype SVG exporter for Rev in RevNet, 
and there are more complete implementations around).  And since SVG now 
incorporates SMIL as a subset, you have support for synchronized 
time-based media too.


The full range of things Rev can do would be close to impossible to make 
a Transcript-to-JavaScript translator for, but again if you need a 
browser presentation you're probably only needing a fairly narrow subset 
anyway.


ToolBook provided some handy support for this sort of deployment, 
providing native libraries with correlating JavaScript libraries for the 
subset of things that make the most sense in a browser.


There's no reason this couldn't be done in Rev, using a set of templates 
and wizards on the Rev side and generating corresponding 
JavaScript/DHTML for web output, just like ToolBook did.


Like Google Maps and Google Earth, there are cool things you can do in a 
browser and even cooler things you can do in a dedicated app.  If Google 
Maps represents Web 2.0, the dedicated Google Earth app represents 
Web 3.0. :)  But for those who want ubiquity it's hard to beat a good 
browser implementation, and with JavaScript/DHTML being just text it's 
not all that hard to generate when you have an engine that works so 
gracefully with chunk expressions.


With all the talk of open source support in this community, such an 
effort based around these open standards on the presentation side should 
be relatively easy to have at least a basic library and some tools for 
this in short order.


This would provide an answer for the subset of people who want this sort 
of thing, and it wouldn't cost RunRev Ltd. anything to see it happen. 
The company wouldn't need to be distracted from their core mission in 
any way, and the community would get one more yes answer to a common 
deployment question.  A win-win for all.


So, who's up for herding cats? :)

I'll bet a reasonable v1.0 that addresses the sort of things the Media 
templates make could be knocked off in under under two weeks' 
development time


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RE: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-27 Thread Lynn Fredricks

 Is it really hot unplugging shutdown or do you only get the 
 shutdown messages when you choose eject from the U3 menu?
 
 BTW, I got a thumb drive from someone at a convention I was 
 at last week (not the Rev convention) and was surprised to 
 see it was a U3 Thumbdrive!

I wouldn't be so surprised - go to Best Buy and check out how many U3
compatible drives you find.

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-27 Thread GregSmith


Richard:

And all of the linkages are already in place through AJAX for the major
browsers so that nothing would need to be downloaded to be viewed and
experienced?  

Since the Media package is being marketed to people who really don't want to
program, but love the media inclusiveness this package contains, why not
make such a web deployment set of functions another included Wizard, where
the user starts with web deployment in mind, and therefore, starts by using
a smaller overall tool subset.  At $49, this package would be much more
attractive to users than it currently is, giving it a more solid identity.

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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?