Re: End of U3?
Yeah, I need apps that are designed to run around the end line, er, whatever it's called. I guess I've got all summer to try to figure it out :-D As you say, I think I worry about the following: Traditionally, apps designed for installation on the hard drive may expect to write a preferences file on the drive, and may modify the registry to set up file type associations. Those using VB or some other systems may also be dependent on any number of DLLs which will need to be installed in specific folders on the drive. --Uhh, yeah. I think that's what I'm worried about ;-) But an app can be designed not to need that stuff, to keep everything on the drive it's running on. Since Rev standalones are self-contained, as long as they don't go out of their way to modify the system (prefs files, registry, etc.) they'll run from any removable media. --but most don't, right?? Like, does Rev? I have to admit that I never tried; once I got the no can do dialogue from Win2K, I didn't go any further. My bad, I suppose. I've got this week (read, tomorrow) to give it the 'old college try' ;-) Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Has the Community Beta lost its way?
Just one observation: as far as Linux users are concerned, it has not yet started. Now, if you're on Mac or Windows, apart from the fairly small limitation of not being able to compile in 2.7 mode for Linux, you are basically OK. You might have issues about quality, but you're getting updates. If you're on Linux, you are not. You are on 2.6.1 and you don't have the alt stuff. I understand why, its a small organization and its doing what it can. And maybe from a Windows or Mac user point of view its not an important issue. Maybe its just something the Linux people have to live with. But in the context of, how are we doing as Rev, its getting to be a real quality issue. As they used to say when I was in manufacturing: change the output, or change the standard. The one thing you must not do is have standards which are different from your output... Peter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Using Rev to Access MySql over the LAN
Stephen Barncard wrote: Whoa, I didn't see the ODBC part! No, don't use ODBC!!! not needed. Extensis Portfolio client app is using ODBC.. but the MySQL dbase that is built by the Extensis Portfolio server is just a standard MySQL dbase and in theory we should be able to connect over the LAN on port 3306. i.e yes. we should be able to (and Extensis Tech Suppor confirms) just connect directly with MySQL on the server directly without OBDC And yes it's my intention to use a RevDB UI, but the Varuna is not listening on that port. I need to do some more testing. sqb Aloha Swami, why are you using ODBC at all, is portfolio forcing that? You can access mySQL with standard RevDB calls over socket connection. Andre On May 14, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: I am a dbase newbie and could use a little guidance. Context: OSX Server (intel) and Intell Mac Book Pros on the LAN. -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [part 1]
Hi Ken, (I'm going to address this to you, but obviously most of this is just aimed at a public debate). Mark Waddingham has personally responded to virtually all the questions and bug-related posts on the Improve list I put it to you that the love-fest to be found in the improve list might not be an experience shared by those who are not members of that group.Kudos to Mark for being so responsive to you guys. But to say that the overall effort of the Community Beta has 'lost its way' primarily because a specific bug that most likely affects a very small percentage of the Rev community is overstating things IMHO. The point isn't that bug 3196 has not been fixed. It's about a situation where a long-standing, reported, well-proven bug was being allowed to remain, 6 months into a Beta test program that was specifically supposed to remove these long-standing bugs. Trying to get the attention of the bug-squashing process met with a resounding silence -- exactly the situation that Bill Marriott was complaining about so loudly last October. In the past few weeks I've written to the list about this bug, written to the relevant forum, written to the Bug-Meister himself, and updated the bug report in Bugzilla. Until I 'overstated it', I got zero response. That's a rather different experience to your experience. It's great that Bill is collecting information about satisfaction levels from participants of the Community Beta. However, if someone has already lost interest in the Beta and in Rev, are they really going to bother filling in Bill's survey? In fact, I let that survey sit in my inbox for days before I bothered to complete it, because to me the whole thing has seemed like a futile, empty, time-wasting exercise. And I'm one of the people who in the past has loudly challenged those who proclaimed that Rev was buggy but who were not going to take an active part in trying to make it better. Tonight I had a look at who was the original poster of bug 3196, to see why they have been so quiet in all this. In October 2006, a whole year after logging this bug, he wrote to the list to say he was going to stop using Rev because he was so dissatisfied. And there have been no posts from him since, so I guess that means he followed through with that decision. Don't you think that there might be quite a few others who would give up on Rev before they got so far as to 'overstate' things and get some attention? Most dissatisfied customers will walk away rather than make a fuss As to the small percentage of the Rev community affected by this bug: it affects any OS X user who needs to programmatically interact with the many Unix userland tools and applications found on their OS. Searching my Rev mail list archive for the last 4 years brings up 99 posts related to open process on OS X, and the vast majority of these posts are from luminaries of this list. Furthermore, I put it to you that there would have been even more posts concerning this, if people realised what it meant to have this working i.e. once they saw what people were doing with this technique. (When I first brought up this long-standing bug on the list a few weeks ago, one of the best x-talkers wrote to me privately to ask for more information about what is possible using write to process. That makes me think it probable that there has not been much interest in this particular bug because most of the Mac Rev users have a history from Classic where write to process was quite alien.) There might also have been more interest in this issue if the Dictionary didn't explicitly tell us that we shouldn't use write to process on OS X, and that we should use shell() instead. In simple scenarios, shell() will work, but it is by no means an adequate substitute beyond the most simple cases. And unlike many other bugs, there is no workaround for this. It _is_ a blocker (and I'm _not_ the one who categorized it as such in Bugzilla - it's had that status for at least 18 months). [part 2 to follow] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [part 2]
[continued] I'm disappointed that people are focusing on how many people might have been affected by this particular bug, rather than wondering if perhaps the bug-squashing process is not going so well for those people outside of the Improve list.Six months into what is being trumpeted as the best beta-process Runrev has ever had, should it really have taken upwards of 9 actions (and several hours of my time), just to get _any_ response to an 18-month-old bug report that was clearly receiving no attention? Meanwhile in this blissful silence of non-communication, the Quality Manager is sending out emails saying they are intending to shake out the last bugs prior to making this the official, retail version, which is ready to ship [...] unless we find a [..] significant feature failure. Earth calling Bill Marriott: Bug 3196 is a significant feature failure. And bug 3196 is not the only one. There are 50 other significant, outstanding, _confirmed_ bugs (i.e. those with a status of 'critical' or 'blocker'). It's true that Bugzilla lists 324 bugs which have been fixed since January 1st this year. I'm very glad to see that so many bugs have been squashed. But by my estimation, a very significant minority of those bug-fixes are to do with the incorporation of the ex-Altuit products. Of course, it is great for those users who had not previously bought those products, to now have them incorporated into 2.81. But I maintain that it has been a distraction to have grouped the incorporation of those products into the Open Community Beta. I'm not saying I expect every bug to have been fixed. But I do think that this Beta has lost its way when the Quality Partner sends out multiple emails about removing the last few bugs and how there are no significant feature failures, when there are still more than 50 outstanding, confirmed, significant bugs. Trying to draw his attention to one of these critical bugs was a total failure, consuming hours of my time. Once again, it's a case of Runrev having no idea about how to set expectations -- all I got was more emails telling me how there are no more significant bugs, when staring me in the face was a bug, which at at the end of last year I had every reason to believe would have been fixed by now. A few people have written lengthy emails to me in private, saying that they are glad that I brought up this issue. To my surprise they are far more dissatisfied with the Community Beta than me, and some of them are seriously disenchanted with Revolution in general. One of them has told me that he is part of a group of Rev users who are collectively in the process of looking at alternative development environments. They must have their own reasons for not wanting to discuss these things on the list any longer. I hope that my loud and dogged stance on this matter will give them some reason to stay and speak up. I'm not saying that the release of 2.8.1 should be held up whilst the bug that particularly concerns me is fixed. But I am saying that Runrev need to seriously address the ways in which they consistently mislead people -- Linux is coming in 2.7; no, it's coming in the 2.7.5 beta; no, it's coming in the 2.9 beta; prove you have a bug, we'll fix it; there are no more significant feature failures; the Altuit products will be available in January 2007; version 2.7.5 will be a free update - no, it's version 2.9 that will be free I could go on and on. I'm a huge fan of Revolution, but I'm frustrated by what seems to me to be a very poor management style. If one sets expectations too high, one guarantees disappointment. At the absolute minimum, there should have been a continually updated list showing the fixed bugs and the oustanding bugs, and explaining why decisions were made. If by January I'd known that bug 3196 would require a total re-write of the OS X engine (maybe that is what is required), and that because of that requirement the bug had to wait until there were a group of bugs requiring that level of attention, I would have had my expectations properly set. Such a list might have encouraged others to persist in making bug reports, knowing that the process was rational and measurable. Regards Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?
Stephen Barncard wrote: Is it possible that ODBC support is being phased out on the Mac? No, not at all. There's plenty of ODBC software working on the Mac - it's just more recent versions of Rev, at least in my experience, have this broken. This is why I'm unable to move most of my development work off Rev 2.6.1. Is there a point where upgrading the server might be more cost effective? Or is this something that you can't control? I need to connect to client's database servers running SQL Server; and build tools for Mac-using clients to connect to their organisation's SQL Server servers. The idea of middleware for database access always gave me the creeps... As far as I know there are no direct drivers on the Mac for SQL Server; only middleware (eg ODBC, JDBC). Roger.E.Eller wrote: I haven't tried accessing MS-SQL from Rev since 2.6.x, but it worked after installing the Actual driver. It costs only $29.95 and worked quite well. You can try it for free, but it will only return 3 lines from a query until you acquire a license. I did try the Actual drivers three years ago (since they're a third of the cost of the openlink ones - not important for one installation, but if you're client wants a dozen, it makes a difference). I could make it work using the driver with various test apps, but not with Rev 2.2 (see bug Bugzilla #1557, which on the basis of your experience must have been fixed). Your suggestion inspired me to downlaod and try the current Actual drivers. Unfortunately, after installing this, the Actual driver doesn't work at all (even just in the ODBC Administrator) - and the installation seems to have trashed my OpenLink setup! Aaargh. But thanks both for taking the time to reply. Meanwhile, is there anybody out there connecting to SQL Server over ODBC using any version of Rev since 2.7.1, succesfully or otherwise? TIA, - Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [part 2]
I'm not going to comment on the rest as I don't have a strong opinion either way, but: On 15 May 2007, at 10:21, Bernard Devlin wrote: version 2.7.5 will be a free update - no, it's version 2.9 that will be free From what I remember of the renaming, version 2.9 *IS* what was previously called 2.7.5. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rotating fields?
Hello, I would like to have a field with non editable text rotated by 90, so that I get vertical text. As far as I've seen yet I can only rotate images. Is there any trick to rotate a field? The last workaround would be to create an image with the vertical text :( Any other solutions out there? Thank you Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
Hi list, How do you guys play Flash movies in Rev players on Windows without QT ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
altBrowser is probably your best bet. Ian On 15 May 2007, at 10:52, jbv wrote: How do you guys play Flash movies in Rev players on Windows without QT ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rotating fields?
On 15 May 2007, at 10:51, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: I would like to have a field with non editable text rotated by 90, so that I get vertical text. The last workaround would be to create an image with the vertical text :( Images and graphics only, as far as I know, so a snapshot of the field looks like it's your only bet. :-( Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
Ian , altBrowser is probably your best bet. Mmmh... don't think so... I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies but no QT installer and no browser are the main requests... JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: Rotating fields?
Thanks Ian, That's what I thought :( Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Ian Wood Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2007 12:02 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: Rotating fields? On 15 May 2007, at 10:51, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: I would like to have a field with non editable text rotated by 90, so that I get vertical text. The last workaround would be to create an image with the vertical text :( Images and graphics only, as far as I know, so a snapshot of the field looks like it's your only bet. :-( Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
On 15 May 2007, at 11:13, jbv wrote: Ian , altBrowser is probably your best bet. Mmmh... don't think so... I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies but no QT installer and no browser are the main requests... Given that Rev has no native support for Flash files, QT or an embedded browser window are the only options I can think of. Not that QT would help for FLV files anyway... You might be able to get some info from Jiro Harada (http://www.f- ab.net/) who wrote a Rev app using a custom Netscape plug-in. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part]
Hi, You know - this kind of thing really gets my goat. I'm going to explain why presently and I'm going to give examples using other IDE's and compilers to support why it gets my goat, plus I'm going to ruffle some feathers, but I'm an Aussy and that's what we do best vbg. From time to time on this list we see people having a go at RunRev yet I wonder how much they really know about what goes into writing and IDE and compiler let alone writing one to run on three major (and several minor) platforms? I've found Rev to be a wonderful product. It has flaws - heck so do I! g But all round it's pretty solid for the average developer doing the average developer thing. Anybody fired up RealBasic (better named RealBugs IMHO) recently? It's a total joke compared to the stability of Rev and I'm not even running the newest version of Rev I'm still on 2.6.1. It has been a pleasure (and shall continue to be a pleasure) to associate with many of the wonderful people on this list and the people at RunRev as well. Heather is an angel - I don't know how she keeps her cool and I'm a moderator on Usenet of ten years! RunRev are also *incredibly* genorous, I can't (and will not) give details on some of their genourosty but that has been my experience of them. When fellow developers ask (and I know over a thousand of them as a member of several associations) about cross platform tools I recommend Rev in an instant. Sure it's a different paradigm than most are used to but compared to RB, Trolltech or the incredibly clumsy offerings from Apple (if you want to code in C++) it's a gem. Having said that let's take a look at some of those examples of other IDE's that I work in on a weekly basis: RealBasic - actually I know longer work in it because it is a total joke in my experience. Borland Delphi - I've worked in Delphi since Beta 1 1994. I love Object Pascal and Delphi - yet there are bugs that date to Version 2 that have *not* been fixed. This is from a *huge* development company (compared to RunRev) and yet those bugs remain unfixed. It's at version TEN!. Why? See further down. Borland C++ Builder - same company and yep it's based on Delphi code and it inherits the bugs from Delphi 2. Microsoft Access - to many bugs to list!! Microsoft Visual Basic - pick a verison!! Revolution. I put it in the same experience as the one I've had for Delphi. If I want to do something straight forward and not low level I choose Rev. If I want to do something complex - like writing direct to the audio card then I'd choose Delphi or C++ Builder. But for most projects these days Rev fits the bill because *it just works*. I've been working on one project for two years and hope to bring it to conclusion this year and it's 100% Rev and it's lean and efficient despite it's use of 3D graphics and extensive audio. Rev gets the credit for this - not me. Economic pragamatism - it applies to politics too. You can please some of the people some of the time but generally you've got to keep your eye on the ball and the ball is where they dollars are and that's with general feature sets and tools that appeal and solve the problems of the average developer - simple. How many of us developers (beyond those writing code in a corporate situation) add or fix bugs rarely used by our user base as a priority? How many of use can justify doing this? If one answers honestly in an application of reasonable complexity the answer is going to be very few. There simply isn't enough money or time to work on every one - so the most used or most requested (read desired) issues are worked on first. Thinking that it should be any different - as commercial developers - is 100% unrealistic, unfair and down right mean spirited. Rather than blasting away on a list frequented potentially by people who are new to Rev and possibly development of software in general (and therefore easily scared off) is *no* answer to any problem. If this was the software written by one of us here we'd be outraged that somebody would do such a thing to us - so why shouldn't the same measure be applied to RunRev? Respect is earned and RunRev have certainly earned respect. *None* of us are perfect and none of us live in an ideal bug free world. The *only* solution to these kind of issues is direct with RunRev, IMHO any other form of reponse is amatuer at best and potentially damaging at worst to what is a respectable company worthy of our support and assistance where we can give it. Flames can be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reasonable discussion of course is welcome. Scott Kane ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
You could search the archive for some posts by Jiro Harada. He announced that he wrote an external to play Flash inside a Rev stack. IIRC, it relied on Java being installed, and he reported it working on the Mac and Windows. This is his URL: http://www.f-ab.net/ Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part]
Well, Scott. Thanks for sharing your experience of development environments with us. How sad that you think you will be flamed. I certainly don't want this to be a flame-fest. I want to improve the way that Rev works. I too have a wide experience of development tools - I have a degree in CS and I first started programming in Fortran on mainframes in 1980. And for some tasks I choose Revolution, for others Python, for others Java. When I decide that Rev is not the appropriate tool, I use a tool that is more appropriate. For some things Rev is the only tool I currently have that will do the job. the most used or most requested (read desired) issues are worked on first. That's not quite true. Hence my accusation that the Community Beta has lost its way. I have been a member of this list for about 4 or 5 years, and I am NOT one of the people who has ranted on and on about bugs. In fact, the last time I posted anything as long as this to the list, it was to object to someone who moaned endlessly about bugs, but wouldn't even bother to log them in Bugzilla. Over the years I have experienced minor bugs in Rev - they have been irritations but almost without exception I've been able to work round them, and I wouldn't say that Rev has noticeably more bugs than any other development tool I use. I have Studio licenses for OS X, Windows and Linux, paid up for the next 2 years in advance. Unlike Runrev's Quality Control Partner, I do NOT think that the way to get Runrev to fix bugs is to starve them of funds. The Open Community Beta was announced with great fanfare, and I publicly welcomed it. It led me to expect that some long-standing bug-reports that I had been waiting to be fixed would finally receive treatment. I patiently waited throughout the Open Community Beta, only to find that my most important blocking bug has been deemed not important enough, and it was probably bumped out by the introduction of the Altuit products, which already existed (and many of us -- including me -- already owned licenses to them). When something in Rev has not worked for four years, but has been shown to be a bug, and I cannot work round it, what am I supposed to do? I can guarantee that if there was an ancient bug in Rev that stopped your 2 year project, and that bug had been shunted out of the way, you would be much less sanguine. Or maybe not - you have multiple GUI toolkits to choose from. I don't - Rev is my only GUI toolkit. Respect is earned and RunRev have certainly earned respect. I think you mean Respect is earned and RunRev have certainly earned MY respect. You have some special individual circumstances that endear them to you. The fact that you allude to this shows that really you know that you are in some kind of special relationship with them. Clearly for you, they are doing something right. I could mention the names of several long-time Rev/Metacard developers who want the absolute minimum to do with Runrev the company. And then there are the other users who have slipped away more silently. I'm suggesting to Runrev that they stop doing something that is wrong. The *only* solution to these kind of issues is direct with RunRev, IMHO any other form of reponse is amatuer at best Sometimes an organisation has to be publicly shamed before something is done. But thanks for the insult anyway (maybe that's why you're expecting a flame fest). My previous private communications with Runrev are precisely what has led me to have so little respect for them and their ability to set expectations. And in case you haven't been paying attention - bug 3196 had received NO attention until I made this more generalized critique. If there had been any feedback from Runrev at all during the last 6 months about which severe bugs they were deciding to ignore, I may have decided some months back to look into alternative tools. I specifically recommended they do this so that people would have an idea of what to expect from this Beta. Anyway, I'm not going to waste any more time on this. I've learned the hard way to set my own expectations of Runrev, and sadly they are decidedly lower than they were 6 months ago. Regards, Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part]
- Original Message - From: Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:38 PM Subject: Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part] Well, Scott. Thanks for sharing your experience of development environments with us. How sad that you think you will be flamed. I certainly don't want this to be a flame-fest. I want to improve the way that Rev works. I suspect you missed the point of the list. It's not about me it's about the tools. AFA flaming goes - it's a joke that may have been obscure, though anybody who knows me on Usenet would probably get it. I too have a wide experience of development tools - I have a degree in CS and I first started programming in Fortran on mainframes in 1980. I did not intend this to be a look at me exercise. I did not start in Fortran on mainframes in 1980. I started in machine code (that and direct hex entry) in 1986 on the now gone National Semi-Conductor Datachecker DTS 500 series terminals. Before that I admit to use BASIC. The point of the list was to show software that has bugs by *huge companies and in one case from version 2 - 10 the same bugs exist. sigh Nothing like a developer to get all upity with the old ego. And for some tasks I choose Revolution, for others Python, for others Java. When I decide that Rev is not the appropriate tool, I use a tool that is more appropriate. For some things Rev is the only tool I currently have that will do the job. Which is pretty much what I was saying.. That's not quite true. Hence my accusation that the Community Beta has lost its way. No my statement is absolutely true of any development company who intends to stay in business. I have been a member of this list for about 4 or 5 years, and I am NOT one of the people who has ranted on and on about bugs. In fact, the last time I posted anything as long as this to the list, it was to object to someone who moaned endlessly about bugs, but wouldn't even bother to log them in Bugzilla. Well you have two years seniority on this list to me. But that does not alter one bit the fact that it is bad form to dis' a company on a public email list. If I can put it this way - on forums I run I've banned posters for less. I have no influence here - but it illustrates how I feel about angry missives that accuse companies of henious crimes with very little if any justrification. Over the years I have experienced minor bugs in Rev - they have been irritations but almost without exception I've been able to work round them, and I wouldn't say that Rev has noticeably more bugs than any other development tool I use. I have Studio licenses for OS X, Windows and Linux, paid up for the next 2 years in advance. Unlike Runrev's Quality Control Partner, I do NOT think that the way to get Runrev to fix bugs is to starve them of funds. Another side swipe at Rev. I can't see what part of disrespect you don't get. I made a couple of spelling errors in my post (darn schpell chezcker) but I think the content was clear enough. The Open Community Beta was announced with great fanfare, and I publicly welcomed it. It led me to expect that some long-standing bug-reports that I had been waiting to be fixed would finally receive treatment. I patiently waited throughout the Open Community Beta, only to find that my most important blocking bug has been deemed not important enough, and it was probably bumped out by the introduction of the Altuit products, which already existed (and many of us -- including me -- already owned licenses to them). But is the public list the right place? That is the thrust of my missive. I believe the name of this list is How To Use Revolution. Nowhere in the title have I seen How to moan about Revolution. I'm simply stating that this is not the right place. On top of that I'm stating that it's unrealistic to expect any development company to fix every issue every user wants fixed, whether you are coding in Fortran on a mainframe or on a PC/Mac. When something in Rev has not worked for four years, but has been shown to be a bug, and I cannot work round it, what am I supposed to do? I can guarantee that if there was an ancient bug in Rev that stopped your 2 year project, and that bug had been shunted out of the way, you would be much less sanguine. Or maybe not - you have multiple GUI toolkits to choose from. I don't - Rev is my only GUI toolkit. I believe the channel has been pointed out to you, yet you still keep on about it here - tonight. Hence my post. I think you mean Respect is earned and RunRev have certainly earned MY respect. No. I wrote what I meant. You have some special individual circumstances that endear them to you. The fact that you allude to this shows that really you know that you are in some kind of special relationship
Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part]
Bernard, My previous private communications with Runrev are precisely what has led me to have so little respect for them and their ability to set expectations. And in case you haven't been paying attention - bug 3196 had received NO attention until I made this more generalized critique. I find it increasingly ironic that the apparent trigger for this campaign of yours was a request from me to beta members to help identify remaining outstanding issues that needed special attention. Forget that such a request didn't have to be made. You replied to the request, and contrary to your claims it definitely got the special attention you wanted, as it is marked in a special internal field set up for the purpose in the RQCC and is in another database we're using to strategize/organize how to tackle those issues. How is this is anything except you being upset about not getting the response you expected to a particular email on a single bug? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part]
Ok folks, lets drop this now. Bernard, we have heard and noted your feelings on this issue. Scott, Ken, Richard, Chipp, thanks for the good words. Its nice to get the odd word of praise when we are working so hard on something. Peter Alcibiades, yes, indeed, Linux is vital and is coming in 2.9. We'll get a beta for you to get your teeth into just as soon as we are able. I'd like to end this thread on a note of appreciation. Without all your participation, Bills leadership, and the whole bag of tricks from all of you including criticism in measure, 2.8.1 would not be half as good as it is, and 2.9 would not have a hope of being the fantastic release it is going to be. End of thread please. Regards, Heather Wearing The Listmom Hat. On 15 May 2007, at 14:48, Bill Marriott wrote: Bernard, My previous private communications with Runrev are precisely what has led me to have so little respect for them and their ability to set expectations. And in case you haven't been paying attention - bug 3196 had received NO attention until I made this more generalized critique. I find it increasingly ironic that the apparent trigger for this campaign of yours was a request from me to beta members to help identify remaining outstanding issues that needed special attention. Forget that such a request didn't have to be made. You replied to the request, and contrary to your claims it definitely got the special attention you wanted, as it is marked in a special internal field set up for the purpose in the RQCC and is in another database we're using to strategize/organize how to tackle those issues. How is this is anything except you being upset about not getting the response you expected to a particular email on a single bug? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
XMLHttpRequest object and Rev cgi
Hi list, Is it possible to use the XMLHttpRequest object in javascript (and especially the xmlhttp.open() function) to get data from a Rev cgi script (that returns XML data built on-the-fly) without facing a permission denied problem ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XMLHttpRequest object and Rev cgi
JBV, fetch my RevHTTP on http://www.andregarzia.com/RevHTTP.zip it has an ajax demo that does that. I am using the prototype library which in the end relies on XMLHttpRequest object, it works just fine http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon Our lexicon works using that too and calling Rev CGI. I do think however that you can't open connection to a different server... Andre On May 15, 2007, at 11:09 AM, jbv wrote: Hi list, Is it possible to use the XMLHttpRequest object in javascript (and especially the xmlhttp.open() function) to get data from a Rev cgi script (that returns XML data built on-the-fly) without facing a permission denied problem ? Thanks, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
What's the big deal about FLV? In my limited experience, the movies look like garbage next to Quicktime and they're LARGER. Horrible. On 15 May 2007, at 11:13, jbv wrote: Ian , altBrowser is probably your best bet. Mmmh... don't think so... I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies but no QT installer and no browser are the main requests... -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XMLHttpRequest object and Rev cgi
Andre, Many thanks for the quick response. . I do think however that you can't open connection to a different server... And actually the source of my problem was that a mismatched between relative URLs was considered as an attempt to connect to a different server... Thanks again for all the code examples, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rotating fields?
On May 15, 2007, at 3:51 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello, I would like to have a field with non editable text rotated by 90, so that I get vertical text. As far as I've seen yet I can only rotate images. Is there any trick to rotate a field? The last workaround would be to create an image with the vertical text :( Any other solutions out there? Last year Scott Rossi made available a typically amazing stack, called textSpinner, that does just what you want. It actually does create an image from the text on the fly and rotates it to an angle you choose. Get it by entering in the message box: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/textspinner.rev; Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XMLHttpRequest object and Rev cgi
JB, just for the future, in case you need to fetch data from another server, you can make a simple cgi that will just pick a http request and forward to another server acting like a proxy. This way you'll be able to build mashups without dealing with cross browser security issues :-) andre On May 15, 2007, at 12:05 PM, jbv wrote: Andre, Many thanks for the quick response. . I do think however that you can't open connection to a different server... And actually the source of my problem was that a mismatched between relative URLs was considered as an attempt to connect to a different server... Thanks again for all the code examples, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
standalone revexternalLibrary error
When I open the standalone I get this error Kernel_win32_Release.dll was not found I also have this in a preopenstack handler IF the environment is not development THEN IF Valentina for Revolution is not among the lines of the externalpackages of stack revExternalLibrary THEN answer The Valentina external was not loaded by the runtime engine. END IF End if Which is displaying? The Valentina external was not loaded by the runtime engine In the standalone settings I have the following selected Ask dialog checked Answer dialog checked Cursors checked Database Valentina2 Valventina script libraries Geometry Printing Valentina2 Remove all profiles on objects checked What am I missing to get this standalone to run? Thanks Rob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: standalone revexternalLibrary error
On 15/5/07 7:22 PM, Robert Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, When I open the standalone I get this error Kernel_win32_Release.dll was not found Have you follow this steps: http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=paradigma:public:en:documen tation:v4rev:manual:deployment:deployment -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?
As an update, after reinstalling the OpenLink drivers, I now have both OpenLink and Actual DSNs working with Rev 2.6.1. The Actual one also works in Rev 2.8.1; the OpenLink one does not. So the problem is limited to Rev 2.7.2 or later, with the OpenLink driver. (That's good, because there's a workaround. It is unfortunate for the clients who I persuaded to pay three times as much per seat, for the OpenLink driver instead of the Actual one, because Rev 2.2 bombed using the Actual driver; who now, if I'm to use the latest Rev to update their app, would need to buy a new driver and go through the installation again on each machine.) Anyway, thanks for the replies, - Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: standalone revexternalLibrary error
Thank you forgot about this -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruslan Zasukhin Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:42 PM To: use-revolution Subject: Re: standalone revexternalLibrary error On 15/5/07 7:22 PM, Robert Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, When I open the standalone I get this error Kernel_win32_Release.dll was not found Have you follow this steps: http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=paradigma:public:en:documen tation:v4rev:manual:deployment:deployment -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
Recently, jbv wrote: altBrowser is probably your best bet. Mmmh... don't think so... I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies but no QT installer and no browser are the main requests... How does using altBrowser constitute using a browser when it is part of a stack that you can design any way you want? How would anyone know that you're using a browser-based engine to display Flash content and why would this matter anyway? Last I checked, Flash is designed to run as a standalone process (no player needed) or in a Web browser. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: Rotating fields?
Thanks Devin, it's always amazing how simple good solutions can be! Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Devin Asay Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2007 17:21 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: Rotating fields? On May 15, 2007, at 3:51 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello, I would like to have a field with non editable text rotated by 90, so that I get vertical text. As far as I've seen yet I can only rotate images. Is there any trick to rotate a field? The last workaround would be to create an image with the vertical text :( Any other solutions out there? Last year Scott Rossi made available a typically amazing stack, called textSpinner, that does just what you want. It actually does create an image from the text on the fly and rotates it to an angle you choose. Get it by entering in the message box: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/textspinner.rev; Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
applescript - do script
I looked at the applescript dictionary for my Rev 2.7.4 application and it had: do script v : Execute Revolution script So, I tried telling my application to do the following as a simple test from the applescript script editor: tell application MyApp activate do script quit end tell When I run that applescript it complains with a syntax error about the word script. Can I write an applescript that will tell a Rev app script to run? Anyone have an example or a tip for me? tia, sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: applescript - do script
On 15 May 2007, at 18:26, Jim Sims wrote: When I run that applescript it complains with a syntax error about the word script. Can I write an applescript that will tell a Rev app script to run? Anyone have an example or a tip for me? There's an issue with some of the newer versions not including some package or other that allows the AppleScript commands to work. Copying the file form older apps was supposed to work. I don't remember the exact details but it was discussed on the list about a year ago. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
Judy Perry wrote: But an app can be designed not to need that stuff, to keep everything on the drive it's running on. Since Rev standalones are self-contained, as long as they don't go out of their way to modify the system (prefs files, registry, etc.) they'll run from any removable media. --but most don't, right?? Like, does Rev? That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version, and if they've done that much work it's far easier to make one that'll run on any flash drive. I couldn't find either on the Download page, though -- anyone know if that's in the works? For apps that are known to be portable, the directory at PortableApps.com is a good starting point: http://portableapps.com/apps -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
portableapps.com always felt like a hack for me. It uses NDIS (or some other acronym) wrapper to hack around the folders tricking the enclosed executable to think it is writting to one place when it is actually writting to someplace else like the removable media folder. This solves some issues but it brings other problems. Let us go to the important problems (IMHO): * Removable media is slow. If your app does a lot of file juggling or is very disk based, you'll see performance penalty, specially if you're using cheap no brand pendrives. * Limited writting life of flash drives. You can't write on them forever, they have a limit and they will fail. I don't think a pendrive can stand like a year of heavy use but some application that access the disk too much. I can't quote on the limits but they exist. Good portable apps are designed to be portable from the start, not hacked afterward with some tricky folder-phantomizing-tool. Portable apps should load all data they need and run from RAM without touching the disk, or only touching the disk when it needs to save permanent data. This will not only save your precious pendrive but also run way faster than some disk happy tool. And if you're designing your app to be portable from the start, you don't need U3. You can build your own launcher. You can join the U4 yahoo group and help the efforts. U3 good side is not the technology but the marketing, it gave apps exposure and a portal that the user could navigate and find stuff. I don't like portableapps.com but it gives you exposure and lots of users, from a marketing standpoint it is cool, from a tech standpoint it feels like a hack to me. also, their portableapps menu never worked on win98 or win2000 for me. andre That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version, and if they've done that much work it's far easier to make one that'll run on any flash drive. I couldn't find either on the Download page, though -- anyone know if that's in the works? For apps that are known to be portable, the directory at PortableApps.com is a good starting point: http://portableapps.com/apps -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: applescript - do script
Hi, The issue mentioned by Ian should have been solved, as you can read here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/90973 I tried to run Jim's little AppleScript script and it appears that something is wrong with standalones. Revolution is able to run the syntax sent by the do script command, but a standalone is not. I have reported the problem to QC. Please add your comments here: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4970 Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 15-mei-2007, om 19:33 heeft Ian Wood het volgende geschreven: On 15 May 2007, at 18:26, Jim Sims wrote: When I run that applescript it complains with a syntax error about the word script. Can I write an applescript that will tell a Rev app script to run? Anyone have an example or a tip for me? There's an issue with some of the newer versions not including some package or other that allows the AppleScript commands to work. Copying the file form older apps was supposed to work. I don't remember the exact details but it was discussed on the list about a year ago. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?
Ben Rubinstein wrote: Your suggestion inspired me to downlaod and try the current Actual drivers. Unfortunately, after installing this, the Actual driver doesn't work at all (even just in the ODBC Administrator) - and the installation seems to have trashed my OpenLink setup! Aaargh. But thanks both for taking the time to reply. Meanwhile, is there anybody out there connecting to SQL Server over ODBC using any version of Rev since 2.7.1, succesfully or otherwise? TIA, - Ben Ben, I am sorry that it trashed your setup. Thinking back, I believe we were running Panther when we tried it. Even though it worked, the cost was a factor too since we had 100+ users, so we went with MySQL instead. Even MySQL access via Rev has been broken in versions newer than 2.6.1 (including the latest 2.8.x release candidates), so we haven't moved foreward. One thing I have determined is that where the Rev MySQL queries once were NOT case-sensitive for table names, etc., they now ARE. And of course this breaks existing stacks that were working fine in 2.6.1 (even if they shouldn't have been). Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
And there is a BIG difference between USB 1 and 2.. USB 2 can approach Firewire400 speeds... Let us go to the important problems (IMHO): * Removable media is slow. If your app does a lot of file juggling or is very disk based, you'll see performance penalty, specially if you're using cheap no brand pendrives. andre -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
Richard Gaskin wrote: Judy Perry wrote: But an app can be designed not to need that stuff, to keep everything on the drive it's running on. Since Rev standalones are self-contained, as long as they don't go out of their way to modify the system (prefs files, registry, etc.) they'll run from any removable media. --but most don't, right?? Like, does Rev? That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version, and if they've done that much work it's far easier to make one that'll run on any flash drive. I couldn't find either on the Download page, though -- anyone know if that's in the works? Building a U3 app is part of the standalone builder, just tick a checkbox. There's no separate download. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] BRAZIL: HEAVEN OR HELL?
For those who have not read it, I would like to recommend once again my article at:- http://www.bobsite.org/brazil/ - particularly the early section headed *Alternative Perception and the examples of simple dialogues where people very easily drive one another nuts through debate. The point about the title is that Brazil is both heaven AND hell, just like Runtime Revolution: two contradictory perceptions of the same reality are present, and denial of either one of them leads to madness. Personally, I am very happy to see alternative perceptions on this UR-List, and I am not at all upset when people demonstrate their emotions - positive or negative. For me, the recent debate about bugs was enormously enriching. Bob * ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: applescript - do script
Lack of AETE resources or broken .plist inside the standalone bundle is my guess. Probably the standalone is missing the .plist that binds the do script command with the internal routine. I just checked and the script editor (the applescript editor) can't open the dictionary for revolution standalones, I think it is missing the AETE resource or whichever tech they use this days for setting the apple event terminology gizmo I also checked with Sdef Editor (wonderful script terminology editor, freeware) and it can't find terminology/dictionary for standalones but it can find them for Revolution, so my guess is that it is missing from the standalone engine or it is not copied when the building is done. just my two brazilian cents (which are measured in nanocents when relating to other currencies) On May 15, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi, The issue mentioned by Ian should have been solved, as you can read here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/90973 I tried to run Jim's little AppleScript script and it appears that something is wrong with standalones. Revolution is able to run the syntax sent by the do script command, but a standalone is not. I have reported the problem to QC. Please add your comments here: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4970 Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 15-mei-2007, om 19:33 heeft Ian Wood het volgende geschreven: On 15 May 2007, at 18:26, Jim Sims wrote: When I run that applescript it complains with a syntax error about the word script. Can I write an applescript that will tell a Rev app script to run? Anyone have an example or a tip for me? There's an issue with some of the newer versions not including some package or other that allows the AppleScript commands to work. Copying the file form older apps was supposed to work. I don't remember the exact details but it was discussed on the list about a year ago. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
J. Landman Gay wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: Judy Perry wrote: ...does Rev? That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version, and if they've done that much work it's far easier to make one that'll run on any flash drive. I couldn't find either on the Download page, though -- anyone know if that's in the works? Building a U3 app is part of the standalone builder, just tick a checkbox. There's no separate download. I had the impression Judy was asking about Rev itself. Does it run from a flash drive, or does it require installation on a hard drive? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
From a private email I sent to Lynn, While I know that question wasn't directed at me, I thought I'd chime in with an answer. I actually found the U3 spec, device and organization difficult to work with. I started a dialog with them which never finished, even after repeated requests to them. As Richard says, Rev is already out of the box more capable than most in creating portable apps. In fact, all my apps I release for clients and Altuit are now 'portablized.' This means they can run and update themselves including self-healing, all from a standard USB drive. There are a number of difficulties with standard apps trying to become 'portable.' 1) They may have frequent disk access which can wear on a USB drive. Rev doesn't typically have this problem as it is RAM based. 2) They require sophisticated installs including registry edits and special files placed in special folders all over the place (Program Files, My Documents, App folder, etc.). While Rev can access these file folder locations, it's not necessary for Rev to work. Rev has full support for registry entry and removal. 3) They may require specific Dynamic Linked Libraries (DLLs) to run. This is the case for VB, .NET, Flash and other RAD tools, but not necessary for Rev. The job over at portableapps.com is to remove many of these dependencies. It's really not necessary to do so with Rev-- just a bit of smart thinking up front. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] BRAZIL: HEAVEN OR HELL?
Bob, thanks for the essay, it's hard to come by texts that doesn't picture brazilians being carnival lovers, football dream players, cheaters in general, heavy coffee drinkers. You go deep to think a problem that everyone knows and we all pretend it's not in there. And you live in dream lands (floripa!), situation in Rio is beyond warfare, Statistics show that in one single year in Rio and São Paulo more people are killed than in vietnam or something crazy like that. I plan to move south too, where a person can still go out at night and trust he will come home later. On the other side, there's nothing more creative than brazilians, solving problems by thinking outside of the box is the standard brazilian practice. In a country where careful planning and scientific thinking is shunned in favor of intuition and let's try this way! where's your spirit of adventure!-felling. Once I saw a guy in a jeep with a problem in the engine where not enough gas was being pumped into the thing when the car was on a cliff, the guy took the water of the windshield clearing thingy and inserted gasoline in that thing, cut the tube to the windshield and moved the tube to some other part of the engine, so when he was on the cliff and there was not enough gas, he could just clean the windshield like a madman and pump more casoline into the engine. He arrived safe home, he is viewed as a very smart guy and that is the standard brazilian way of solving things (hack around them). he documented the procedure and put it online, it works for toyota jeeps from 1981, he own cumpliments of the jeep club for his scientific achievement in favor of all jeep owners that were once stopped at a high cliff and the betterment of mankind or something like that. (my cs teacher used a stethoscope in old harddrives and machines to diagnose problems, but thats another history of brazilian ways) andre On May 15, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Bob Warren wrote: For those who have not read it, I would like to recommend once again my article at:- http://www.bobsite.org/brazil/ - particularly the early section headed *Alternative Perception and the examples of simple dialogues where people very easily drive one another nuts through debate. The point about the title is that Brazil is both heaven AND hell, just like Runtime Revolution: two contradictory perceptions of the same reality are present, and denial of either one of them leads to madness. Personally, I am very happy to see alternative perceptions on this UR-List, and I am not at all upset when people demonstrate their emotions - positive or negative. For me, the recent debate about bugs was enormously enriching. Bob * ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Grep -- How to match segment containing many lines
I went into production with the script below where. The benchmark on this I thought was impressive, so I thought to share it: The fld findChunk has the grep string: (?s)div id=container(.*?)div id=intro the fileList has a list of paths already chosen for files to be operated on. in this case 647 files. Intel mac running the rev app over 100 baseT opening files on an OSX intel server over the LAN. Ok so I thought to myself Hmmm replaceText... this is going to be slow... If I do this in BBEdit, on a multi-file search and replace, I would go for tea... let's see how Rev does on this new platform. open, replaceText, save and close 647 interations, 22 seconds! I had 3 other unique replacements to make on those files, Job done in 1 min 20 seconds. The longest part of the operation was running a script to use FTP to upload all those to the web server... of course that ran in the background. next production job will be a complete update of the web design at www.hinduismtoday.com where the same operation will be done on 3287 files... --- on mouseUp ## Warnings! answer This is very dangerous! If you are unsure of yourself, stop now! do the S n R on a single file and check your work! with OK or Cancel if it is Cancel then exit to top put empty into fld pau if (the hilight of btn Use Result List = false) then put empty into fld resultList answer Are you sure? This operation is irreversible.cr\ If you are nervous be sure to have a back up! with Yes, just do it! or No if it is No then exit MouseUp set the cursor to busy ## Get find and replace strings put fld findChunk into tSearchString put fld replaceChunk into tReplaceString ## get paths to files if the hilight of btn Use Result List then put fld resultList into tFileList else put fld fileList into tFileList end if ## Read, do SnR, save repeat for each line y in tFileList put url (file:y) into theFileData if the hilite of btn Use Grep then put fld replaceChunk into tReplaceString put fld findChunk into tFindString put replaceText(theFileData,tFindString,tReplaceString) into theFiledata else replace tSearchString with tReplaceString in theFileData end if put theFileData into url (file:y) end repeat put Pau! into fld Pau end mouseUp Ken Ray wrote: does it... and I found the section in the BBEdit help on Perl-Style Pattern Extensions where all this is explained... s allow. to match \r Marvelous! The unintuitive part is that this pattern or toggle must begin the entire expression. For more on how Rev handles it, go to www.pcre.org/man.txt, which is the documentation on the PCRE library that Rev uses for regex handling. -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HDV, DVD and other video formats . . .
Well, before we are all drowned under a flood of Blu-Ray discs and so forth:- I had another of my midnight fantasies where I merrily programmed (in RunRev) a front end for small children to access selected bits of a DVD in either a local or networked DVD drive . . . So; presumably just now it cannot be done [Hm, ripping the DVD ? legal quibbles, etc. ] Discuss, Argue, Suggest! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] BRAZIL: HEAVEN OR HELL?
Let me be the first to make the obvious pun about BRAZIL NUTS and let me also point out that variety of opinions, shape, size, colour (Hey, my RunRev palettes have been turned a nifty British Racing-Green!) and so on are both the spice of life, and good, healthy debate and SDLCs. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
Thanks - if thats the right word Andre. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
Andre Garzia wrote: And if you're designing your app to be portable from the start, you don't need U3. You can build your own launcher. You can join the U4 yahoo group and help the efforts. For those interested in contributing to the development of a universal flash drive launcher, the U4 Group is at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/U4-Group/ -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution 2.8.1 now Available for Download
Dear List member, I'm happy to announce the release of Revolution 2.8.1. If you have a current license you can go and download it here: http://downloads.runrev.com/ and unlock it with your existing license. It could be beneficial to do a full install from the downloads page rather than using your update button inside the program, as this version corrects a number of issues with the installer/uninstaller, and you will not see the benefit of this unless you do a full installation. If your license has lapsed, you will need to buy an update to access this release, it is a feature release. Those handy urls for updating your licenses: http://www.runrev.com/buy/studio_update and http://www.runrev.com/buy/enterprise_update Major changes with this release: AltBrowser, altSQLite and altFont are now integrated with Revolution, and become revBrowser, revSQLite, and revFont respectively. - There is a new tabular split form (split/combine by row/column) - Private handler support is introduced - Date and time handling is revised and improved - Long file names are now supported on OS X - There are window layering improvements on Windows - There are fixes to printing (particularly on OS X) - There are fixes to buttons (particularly radio buttons) - There are fixes and improvements to menu accelerator dispatch - Over 240 other bug fixes and minor enhancements Many other issues have been addressed, and the feedback from the beta test group is very positive - thank you all, your hard work in testing is much appreciated. What are you waiting for? Go and download it now! Warm Regards, Heather Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
Andre - you made me think of the little guy versus big guy in law issue... I have known a number of people with similar stories, and it makes me think always of what to do in the age of the internet about these issues. And every time I have this thought - so you have the evidence but not the money to take them to court - so why not publish the story on the net and let them sue you - so you get your chance to produce your evidence without the cost? And then I think better of the idea. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Menus, fields and not activating a mouseUp?
You have a field with a contextual menu - so when you control-click on the field a popup menu apears (called in a mouseDown handler). If you do not use the control key - but simply click the mouseUp handler does something else... So how do you prevent the mouseUp handler? Neither exit to top nor the pending messages seem to help... so I have always set a flag in the menu code and then checked this in the mouseUp code... still is there a better way to prevent mouseUp messages from being sent? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
Richard Gaskin wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: Judy Perry wrote: ...does Rev? That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version, and if they've done that much work it's far easier to make one that'll run on any flash drive. I couldn't find either on the Download page, though -- anyone know if that's in the works? Building a U3 app is part of the standalone builder, just tick a checkbox. There's no separate download. I had the impression Judy was asking about Rev itself. Does it run from a flash drive, or does it require installation on a hard drive? Now *I'm* confused. :): I haven't tried running Rev itself from a flash drive. Can't think why it wouldn't though, with the possible exception of saving its prefs file or finding any custom plugins. If I get some time, I might experiment. If someone else experiments first, that'd be great. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1 now Available for Download
On May 15, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Heather Nagey wrote: What are you waiting for? Go and download it now! IMHO this is the very best release of Rev ever! It is truly a major leap in reliability over any other released version thus far. I can only imagine how cool 2.9 is going to be. Thank you RunRev for all the hard work. I would also like to thank Bill Marriott for all your hard work on keeping us all on track. Best regards, Mark Talluto CANELA Software 31805 Hwy 79 S #791 Temecula, CA 92592 tel: (310) 483-9919 fax: (951) 302-0146 http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.8.1 now Available for Download
Heather Nagey wrote: I'm happy to announce the release of Revolution 2.8.1. If you have a current license you can go and download it here: http://downloads.runrev.com/ Congratulations to the team! While only an incremental update, it's a significant step forward for both overall quality and the process for ensuring that quality. Well done! -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
Scott, Well, I should probably update what I know about altBrowser... I never really used it, only downloaded a demo a couple of years ago... According to your answer, the browser window can be integrated in a stack and is transparent to the end user... if so, that's probably what I'm looking for... In the meantime, I was wondering if there could be any way to convert flash files to some format that could be read in a player via Windows Media Player... But I've been working 15 hrs in a row and am probably just spacing out... Best, JB Recently, jbv wrote: altBrowser is probably your best bet. Mmmh... don't think so... I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies but no QT installer and no browser are the main requests... How does using altBrowser constitute using a browser when it is part of a stack that you can design any way you want? How would anyone know that you're using a browser-based engine to display Flash content and why would this matter anyway? Last I checked, Flash is designed to run as a standalone process (no player needed) or in a Web browser. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: applescript - do script
On Tue, 15 May 2007 19:26:59 +0200, Jim Sims wrote: I looked at the applescript dictionary for my Rev 2.7.4 application and it had: do script v : Execute Revolution script So, I tried telling my application to do the following as a simple test from the applescript script editor: tell application MyApp activate do script quit end tell BTW, this works perfectly fine in 2.8.1... :-) And if you want to give your apps custom AppleScript commands, take a look at this tip: ascr006: Creating a Custom AppleScript Dictionary For a Revolution Application http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ascr006.htm Enjoy! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
It would be great is someone ended up with a recipe on how to install Rev as a portableapp. I'd love to have a Mac and PC copy on a Thumbdrive too! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: applescript - do script
Hi Ken, It doesn't work in 2.8.1 here. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 16-mei-2007, om 0:07 heeft Ken Ray het volgende geschreven: BTW, this works perfectly fine in 2.8.1... :-) And if you want to give your apps custom AppleScript commands, take a look at this tip: ascr006: Creating a Custom AppleScript Dictionary For a Revolution Application http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ascr006.htm Enjoy! Ken Ray ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Menus, fields and not activating a mouseUp?
Dear David, on mouseUp if the controlkey is up then -- do your stuff end if end mouseUp Best regards, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 15-mei-2007, om 22:44 heeft David Bovill het volgende geschreven: You have a field with a contextual menu - so when you control-click on the field a popup menu apears (called in a mouseDown handler). If you do not use the control key - but simply click the mouseUp handler does something else... So how do you prevent the mouseUp handler? Neither exit to top nor the pending messages seem to help... so I have always set a flag in the menu code and then checked this in the mouseUp code... still is there a better way to prevent mouseUp messages from being sent? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Understanding the long ID?
I'm using the latest release of Rev 2.8.1 I create a new stack, add a single fld and a single button. In the button script I add: on mouseUp put the long ID of fld 1 into tID set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID put fred into tID end mouseUp When I press it, the field becomes disabled alternately (as expected). The disabled is only here to show that tID is referenced correctly. But, fred never gets put in the field? I wonder why? Is this a bug? BTW, this does work: set the text of tID to fred hm. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Menus, fields and not activating a mouseUp?
David, On second thought, the user probably releases the control key right after the mousedown. So, you might want to use the mouseDown handler only. on mouseDown if the controlKey is down then -- do stuff else wait 200 with messages if the mouse is up then -- run mouseup script end if end if end mouseDown This could be a better way to do it. Alternatively, you can check out the flushEvents function. If you don't want the mouseUp to run after the mouseDown script finished, just execute get flushEvents(mouseUp) This is not always a good solution and I tend to avoid it. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 15-mei-2007, om 22:44 heeft David Bovill het volgende geschreven: You have a field with a contextual menu - so when you control-click on the field a popup menu apears (called in a mouseDown handler). If you do not use the control key - but simply click the mouseUp handler does something else... So how do you prevent the mouseUp handler? Neither exit to top nor the pending messages seem to help... so I have always set a flag in the menu code and then checked this in the mouseUp code... still is there a better way to prevent mouseUp messages from being sent? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: applescript - do script
It looks like Ken's trick of renaming the .rsrc file does the trick: 1. Open the standalone package. 2. Navigate to myappname.app/Contents/Resources/Revolution.rsrc 3. Change it to myappname.app/Contents/Resources/myappname.rsrc 4. Now trigger the Finder into updating it's list of scriptable applications, for instance by archiving the app, deleting the original (make sure to empty the Trash) and uncompressing it again. I'm still getting some odd problems with having to relaunch Script Editor etc. but I suspect that's down to the Finder. :-( I've added this to the bug report (#4970) Ian On 15 May 2007, at 23:16, Mark Schonewille wrote: It doesn't work in 2.8.1 here. Op 16-mei-2007, om 0:07 heeft Ken Ray het volgende geschreven: BTW, this works perfectly fine in 2.8.1... :-) And if you want to give your apps custom AppleScript commands, take a look at this tip: ascr006: Creating a Custom AppleScript Dictionary For a Revolution Application http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ascr006.htm ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
Thanks, Richard. I'll have a look for next term. Judy On Tue, 15 May 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote: For apps that are known to be portable, the directory at PortableApps.com is a good starting point: http://portableapps.com/apps ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: applescript - do script
Restarting the script editor appears to be essential. Thanks Ian! Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 16-mei-2007, om 0:59 heeft Ian Wood het volgende geschreven: It looks like Ken's trick of renaming the .rsrc file does the trick: 1. Open the standalone package. 2. Navigate to myappname.app/Contents/Resources/Revolution.rsrc 3. Change it to myappname.app/Contents/Resources/myappname.rsrc 4. Now trigger the Finder into updating it's list of scriptable applications, for instance by archiving the app, deleting the original (make sure to empty the Trash) and uncompressing it again. I'm still getting some odd problems with having to relaunch Script Editor etc. but I suspect that's down to the Finder. :-( I've added this to the bug report (#4970) Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Understanding the long ID?
On May 15, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: I'm using the latest release of Rev 2.8.1 I create a new stack, add a single fld and a single button. In the button script I add: on mouseUp put the long ID of fld 1 into tID set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID put fred into tID end mouseUp Hi Chipp, You are using put with a variable so fred is put into the variable tID. When using a variable to reference a field you need to: set the text of tID to fred -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com-www.screensteps.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
Andre, Of course, what I'm specifically looking to do (or, rather have my students do) IS a hack -- of IT's iron-fisted grip on what software that can be used in the classroom. I did think about the speed issue... but our network's so crappy that slow isn't going to strike the students as particularly odd :-/ Judy On Tue, 15 May 2007, Andre Garzia wrote: portableapps.com always felt like a hack for me. It uses NDIS (or some other acronym) wrapper to hack around the folders tricking the enclosed executable to think it is writting to one place when it is actually writting to someplace else like the removable media folder. This solves some issues but it brings other problems. Let us go to the important problems (IMHO): * Removable media is slow. If your app does a lot of file juggling or is very disk based, you'll see performance penalty, specially if you're using cheap no brand pendrives. * Limited writting life of flash drives. You can't write on them forever, they have a limit and they will fail. I don't think a pendrive can stand like a year of heavy use but some application that access the disk too much. I can't quote on the limits but they exist. Good portable apps are designed to be portable from the start, not hacked afterward with some tricky folder-phantomizing-tool. Portable apps should load all data they need and run from RAM without touching the disk, or only touching the disk when it needs to save permanent data. This will not only save your precious pendrive but also run way faster than some disk happy tool. And if you're designing your app to be portable from the start, you don't need U3. You can build your own launcher. You can join the U4 yahoo group and help the efforts. U3 good side is not the technology but the marketing, it gave apps exposure and a portal that the user could navigate and find stuff. I don't like portableapps.com but it gives you exposure and lots of users, from a marketing standpoint it is cool, from a tech standpoint it feels like a hack to me. also, their portableapps menu never worked on win98 or win2000 for me. andre That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version, and if they've done that much work it's far easier to make one that'll run on any flash drive. I couldn't find either on the Download page, though -- anyone know if that's in the works? For apps that are known to be portable, the directory at PortableApps.com is a good starting point: http://portableapps.com/apps -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Understanding the long ID?
Thanks Trevor, duh. I got it...just a bit confusing is all. I do/have used the 'set the text of' for this. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
Exactly. In the section on reliability I wanted them to experience programming writ small by having them make their own little stack that did something amusing. But no way, no how is IT going to let us d/l the demo, and my department's license is only for OS9 :-( And, even if the students purchased Media, they'd need me to hand-hold them through an introduction at least, which gets me back to the chicken-egg conundrum. Judy On Tue, 15 May 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote: I had the impression Judy was asking about Rev itself. Does it run from a flash drive, or does it require installation on a hard drive? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: End of U3?
Sounds like a job for office hours ;-) But, of course, it's the end of the semester now, so I don't have any of those. Judy On Tue, 15 May 2007, J. Landman Gay wrote: Does it run from a flash drive, or does it require installation on a hard drive? Now *I'm* confused. :): I haven't tried running Rev itself from a flash drive. Can't think why it wouldn't though, with the possible exception of saving its prefs file or finding any custom plugins. If I get some time, I might experiment. If someone else experiments first, that'd be great. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Understanding the long ID?
On May 15, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: I'm using the latest release of Rev 2.8.1 I create a new stack, add a single fld and a single button. In the button script I add: on mouseUp put the long ID of fld 1 into tID set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID put fred into tID end mouseUp When I press it, the field becomes disabled alternately (as expected). The disabled is only here to show that tID is referenced correctly. But, fred never gets put in the field? I wonder why? Is this a bug? BTW, this does work: set the text of tID to fred I think it is a bug. I guess I have always worked around it with: put fred into fld id (word 3 of tID) Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Understanding the long ID?
Trevor DeVore wrote: On May 15, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: I'm using the latest release of Rev 2.8.1 I create a new stack, add a single fld and a single button. In the button script I add: on mouseUp put the long ID of fld 1 into tID set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID put fred into tID end mouseUp Hi Chipp, You are using put with a variable so fred is put into the variable tID. When using a variable to reference a field you need to: set the text of tID to fred Or the dreaded do: do put quote fred quote into tID Setting the text is easier. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Understanding the long ID?
On Tue, 15 May 2007 18:07:27 -0500, Chipp Walters wrote: Thanks Trevor, duh. I got it...just a bit confusing is all. I do/have used the 'set the text of' for this. I've done the same. But I started to put this rule into my head that I can manipulate properties with get/set/put on an object reference in a variable, but that anything else to do with that object (esp. shorthand stuff like get field 1 instead of get the text of field 1) should be executed with do: do put quote Fred quote into tID But I've tended to go the property way when using references because it's less typing (as you saw): set the text of tID to Fred Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Understanding the long ID?
Mark Talluto wrote: On May 15, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: I'm using the latest release of Rev 2.8.1 I create a new stack, add a single fld and a single button. In the button script I add: on mouseUp put the long ID of fld 1 into tID set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID put fred into tID end mouseUp When I press it, the field becomes disabled alternately (as expected). The disabled is only here to show that tID is referenced correctly. But, fred never gets put in the field? I wonder why? Is this a bug? BTW, this does work: set the text of tID to fred I think it is a bug. If Rev variables were types and tID was typed as an object reference it might be a bug. But as it is, Rev vars are just buckets into which you can put anything you want. One minute you can store a string that refers to an object, the next minute you can store some arbitrary text -- how is Rev to know you mean otherwise? Rev vars don't have properties, but objects do, so when you say: set the text of tID to fred ...it knows that you're setting a property so it first evaluates tID to get the object reference, then sets that object's property. The ambiguity is -- once again -- HyperCard compatibility. In most languages, properties are set in a consistent way, and in Rev the text property can be set using set the text of But HyperCard allowed the convenience of setting the text property without having to name the property by using put val into obj. While it's convenient to treat the text property of objects as an implied container, the ambiguity inherent in HyperTalk's design has led to a great many confusing moments for many people over the last couple decades. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] BRAZIL: HEAVEN OR HELL?
Andre: Thanks for that great complementary story and comments. If ever Brazil needed a trendy young ambassador, they need look no further. A little more quebrando o galho and jeitinho is what a lot of people need. But I'll leave you to explain what they are Richmond: As one nutter to another, thanks once again for brightening up my day, and please don't ever stop. Best regards, Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
i Scott, Try http://www/zmzar.com It is a website which transforms from one format to another at no cost (it also does a host of other conversions). Hope that helps Andrew On 5/15/07, jbv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, Well, I should probably update what I know about altBrowser... I never really used it, only downloaded a demo a couple of years ago... According to your answer, the browser window can be integrated in a stack and is transparent to the end user... if so, that's probably what I'm looking for... In the meantime, I was wondering if there could be any way to convert flash files to some format that could be read in a player via Windows Media Player... But I've been working 15 hrs in a row and am probably just spacing out... Best, JB Recently, jbv wrote: altBrowser is probably your best bet. Mmmh... don't think so... I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies but no QT installer and no browser are the main requests... How does using altBrowser constitute using a browser when it is part of a stack that you can design any way you want? How would anyone know that you're using a browser-based engine to display Flash content and why would this matter anyway? Last I checked, Flash is designed to run as a standalone process (no player needed) or in a Web browser. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dr Andrew Lian Professor and Chair Dept. of Foreign Languages and Literatures Western Illinois University Macomb, IL, 61455, USA e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; website: http://www.andrewlian.com Phone: +1 (309) 298-1558; Fax: +1 (309) 298-1060 We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are. (Anaïs Nin) The universe is made up of stories, not atoms (Muriel Rukeyser) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Understanding the long ID?
On May 15, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: If Rev variables were types and tID was typed as an object reference it might be a bug. I see the light. Working with it has never slowed me down. There are many ways as demonstrated to get that job done. Rev is such a fast environment to work in that I never take the time to understand this situation completely. In seconds one can try this or that and it just works. After that you move on and never look back. It is good to stop and smell the roses once in a while. :) Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: applescript - do script
On Wed, 16 May 2007 00:16:20 +0200, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Ken, It doesn't work in 2.8.1 here. Whoops! Sorry, I was testing Revolution itself, not a standalone built with Rev 2.8.1. Ian has the right idea, though... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Date Chooser
On 5/13/07, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested in your idea of combining both. I would also like to be able to change the format of the date returned easily. (for example to mmdd or sometimes mm/dd/yy On 5/12/07 4:45 PM, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: using Bjornke's stack, but I think I like the calander better. I am going to try and combine both into a date chooser stack and write a small handler for it. If anyone is interested, I can post it later. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution The format it returns is the seconds format, and you could easily change that by doing something like: put choosedate(theseconds,thelabel) into thedate convert thedate to short date -- or whatever Any bugs found would be appreciated -- Matthew Peterson Programmer Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: applescript - do script
On May 16, 2007, at 12:59 AM, Ian Wood wrote: It looks like Ken's trick of renaming the .rsrc file does the trick: Phew, am I relieved. Thanks to everyone for looking at this! Jim Sims Custom Software Development www.EZPZapps.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
On 5/15/07, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so why not publish the story on the net and let them sue you - so you get your chance to produce your evidence without the cost? And exactly how does 'letting them sue you' save money? Lawyers cost money no matter which side of a case they are on. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
