RE: docs

[Randall Lee Reetz]

I agree.  And this wiki-revdocs would realy add value to the product, but what 
i was really talking to was the guts, the latin, of the interprter, how and why 
and when the great Oz pulls his levers. Reading the great books on hypercard 
and you began to undeestand the mind of god.  maybe this said more about the 
profound elegance of the hypercard kernal, but knowing the interpretor meant 
knowing how to write scripts and build stacks. 

-Original Message-
From: Peter Alcibiades [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/16/2008 10:56 PM
Subject: docs

supercard docs leave the user reverse enginering for dollars

Yes. Yes, so true.

The problem is not with the existing docs, which are just fine for what they 
do.  The problem, for people learning it, is that they are like a cookbook 
all about ingredients but with no recipes for dishes.  Its like trying to 
find how to make apple pie from a book which has very fine informative 
entries for apple, pastry, sugar - but no entry for pie.

What you need when you are learning however is a cookbook that starts from 
tasks.  The great Carla Schroder's Linux Cookbook is a fine example.

By the time I have learned Rev properly, if I am spared that long, I'll have 
personally written one in the form of notes on topics encountered as problems 
to solve, and so will many of us.  It would be a great collaborative project 
were something like this to be done right.  It would probably make a 
significant contribution to Rev's success and adoption if there were one 
available.

If everyone on the group just contributed one a month, it would be a fantastic 
resource, and would grow to a respectable size very fast.  I'd be happy to 
help.  Not with writing recipes  (which might be a bit of a disaster) but 
with editing and so on.  

Revolution Recipes.  It has a nice ring to it?

Peter
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Re: importing a bunch of files

[Thierry]

  set the uTest[some\thing] of this stack to test

  cautioning against naming custom properties anything that  
wouldn't be legal for variables, on the grounds that it may work  
now but might not work forever.



Where can we see more about:  be legal for variables  ?

Regards,
Thierry


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Re: importing a bunch of files

[Thierry]

Hi Randall,


If you follow shuch a scheme,   ...


All of this points to why it makes sense at times to interface your  
stack to a professional data base and let it do all of this  
structural efficiency heavylifting (that is what it is there for).   
I like to build my own cause i like to learn...




But the obsession is almost killing me.


Well, as far as I can see with your emails,
it seems you're full alive :-)

Thanks for all your remarks.

M, without explaining all the project,
I can give some rules which can be seen as formal facts:

- No database engine wanted !

-  No databases needed for this tree files It's only a tree !
   These files are Text and only Text ,
and they are read only once,
but don't know when and in which order.

- From the user's point of view, it will makes no
   differences at all ( even fully invisible ) that the file is read  
from the disk
   or from whatever revolution's container where the text will be  
stored in.


- Revolution will be absolutely ignorant about the meaning of these  
files


- If all the files to be imported in a stack are too big,
   they can be compressed as an option.

- must work on Mac/Windows/Linux boxes

Here is the context of my question about transforming a tree of files.
By now, I will try  to do this with custompropertysets,
and see what happens.

Regards,
Thierry

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Time Conversion Problem

[Dave]

Hi All,

I am reading a file that contains date and time data. The Date/Time  
is represented as a 4 byte integer and is defined as the number of  
seconds since 1/1/1904 (Apple Date/Time format). Does anyone know if  
there is a way to convert this to a displayable format, e.g.
Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:35 PM. If there isn't a way of doing  
this in RunRev, does anyone know how to go about doing this?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

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Re: An interesting project?

[Andres Martinez]

Hello Tim

As far as I know RR cannot play two simultaneous sounds.

This is the most important limitation about RR for us as game  
developers.


Regards,
Andres Martinez
www.baKno.com

On Jan 16, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:


Hi,

Can I post a youtube link here? Well, here goes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wreP8FMupyM

If you don't feel like clicking on the link, it demonstrates a cool  
drumbeat machine with a GUI, sort of.


I lusted after it for a moment, then realized it's limited, probably  
not commercially available, and likely very expensive.


It then occurred to me that it probably would be pretty easy to  
emulate in RR. It probably would not be hard to add additional  
sounds, maybe two measures instead of one, maybe sixteeenth notes,  
and maybe different time signatures. Speed could be an issue. Not  
certain.


Maybe that's already been done. I dunno. I don't think I'm up to it.  
Maybe someone else is. I thought I'd mention it, fwiw.


Cheers,


Tim Miller
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Re: Weird RunRev IDE Problem

[Dave]

On 17 Jan 2008, at 14:44, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Dave wrote:
I always set the Variable checking by default preference on so  
that  Local's have to be defined. This has been working fine for  
at least 6  months (when I installed this version on RunRev). Now  
today, I get an  error on the following code:

function TestFunc
local myValue
put it into myValue
return empty
end testFunc
The problem is that it's complaining that the it is not defined!


Is that the full code for that handlers?  Where is the value of  
it assigned?




Here's the full code for the function:

--
--
--  LibiPodTranslateField
--
--
function LibiPodTranslateField theFieldName,theFieldValue
  local myFieldValue

  put theFieldValue into myFieldValue
  switch theFieldName
  case DateAdded
  case ModDate
  case PlayedDate
  case TrackSkippedDate
convert myFieldValue to long date and long time
put it into myFieldValue

break

  end switch

  return myFieldValue
end LibiPodTranslateField

After a bit of playing around, I discovered that if I change the code  
to use:



convert 60 to long date and long time

Then it works, if I use:

convert myFieldValue to long date and long time

Then I get the error. How can I pass a seconds value other than a  
literal???


Also, why, after getting the error can I no longer open the prefs  
dialog?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


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Re: Weird RunRev IDE Problem

[Richard Gaskin]

Dave wrote:
I always set the Variable checking by default preference on so that  
Local's have to be defined. This has been working fine for at least 6  
months (when I installed this version on RunRev). Now today, I get an  
error on the following code:


function TestFunc
local myValue

put it into myValue

return empty
end testFunc

The problem is that it's complaining that the it is not defined!


Is that the full code for that handlers?  Where is the value of it 
assigned?


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Re: Weird RunRev IDE Problem

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Dave,

All this sounds normal to me :-)
'it' is not defined here.
To define 'it', you must put a value into or request a command, like  
get, read from file, convert, ask or answer that feed 'it'  
automatically.


Le 17 janv. 08 à 15:39, Dave a écrit :


Hi All,

I always set the Variable checking by default preference on so  
that Local's have to be defined. This has been working fine for at  
least 6 months (when I installed this version on RunRev). Now  
today, I get an error on the following code:


function TestFunc
local myValue

put it into myValue

return empty
end testFunc

The problem is that it's complaining that the it is not defined!  
As I say, I've been using it and referencing it and result ok  
(without the quotes), now for no apparent reason it gives the error:


expression: unquoted literal

I tried removing the into myValue so it just reads put it but I  
still get the same error.


Also, once I've hit this error, it fails to open the preference  
panel when selected from the Menubar, the only way I can get it the  
preferences up after this is to quit RunRev and re-launch.


Any ideas on how to overcome this or what is going wrong? I'm dead  
in the water now as code that used to compile ok, suddenly doesn't!!!


All the Best
Dave



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Weird RunRev IDE Problem

[Dave]

Hi All,

I always set the Variable checking by default preference on so that  
Local's have to be defined. This has been working fine for at least 6  
months (when I installed this version on RunRev). Now today, I get an  
error on the following code:


function TestFunc
local myValue

put it into myValue

return empty
end testFunc

The problem is that it's complaining that the it is not defined! As  
I say, I've been using it and referencing it and result ok  
(without the quotes), now for no apparent reason it gives the error:


expression: unquoted literal

I tried removing the into myValue so it just reads put it but I  
still get the same error.


Also, once I've hit this error, it fails to open the preference panel  
when selected from the Menubar, the only way I can get it the  
preferences up after this is to quit RunRev and re-launch.


Any ideas on how to overcome this or what is going wrong? I'm dead in  
the water now as code that used to compile ok, suddenly doesn't!!!


All the Best
Dave

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Re: Time Conversion Problem

[Ian Wood]

From the docs:
'The seconds function returns the total number of seconds since  
midnight, January 1, 1970 GMT.'


In theory, you can work out the number of seconds from 1904 to 1970.  
Then take this away from the Apple seconds to to get 'Rev seconds'.  
Once it's in that format you can use the convert function to get many  
different formats.


Ian

On 17 Jan 2008, at 13:36, Dave wrote:


Hi All,

I am reading a file that contains date and time data. The Date/Time  
is represented as a 4 byte integer and is defined as the number of  
seconds since 1/1/1904 (Apple Date/Time format). Does anyone know if  
there is a way to convert this to a displayable format, e.g.
Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:35 PM. If there isn't a way of doing  
this in RunRev, does anyone know how to go about doing this?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

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Re: Weird RunRev IDE Problem

[Dave]

On 17 Jan 2008, at 15:04, Eric Chatonet wrote:


From Convert docs:
If the dateAndTime is a container, the converted date and time is  
placed in the container, replacing the previous contents. If the  
dateAndTime is a string, the converted date and time is placed in  
the it variable.

So in your case, returned value is not in 'it' but in 'myFieldValue'


Opps! Missed that bit! What happens if you use 0 + myFieldValue?

(which is how I got around the problem)

All the Best
Dave



Le 17 janv. 08 à 15:54, Dave a écrit :

Is that the full code for that handlers?  Where is the value of  
it assigned?




Here's the full code for the function:

--
--
--  LibiPodTranslateField
--
--
function LibiPodTranslateField theFieldName,theFieldValue
  local myFieldValue

  put theFieldValue into myFieldValue
  switch theFieldName
  case DateAdded
  case ModDate
  case PlayedDate
  case TrackSkippedDate
convert myFieldValue to long date and long time
put it into myFieldValue

break

  end switch

  return myFieldValue
end LibiPodTranslateField

After a bit of playing around, I discovered that if I change the  
code to use:



convert 60 to long date and long time

Then it works, if I use:

convert myFieldValue to long date and long time

Then I get the error. How can I pass a seconds value other than a  
literal???


Also, why, after getting the error can I no longer open the prefs  
dialog?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
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Re: Weird RunRev IDE Problem

[Eric Chatonet]

From Convert docs:
If the dateAndTime is a container, the converted date and time is  
placed in the container, replacing the previous contents. If the  
dateAndTime is a string, the converted date and time is placed in the  
it variable.

So in your case, returned value is not in 'it' but in 'myFieldValue'

Le 17 janv. 08 à 15:54, Dave a écrit :

Is that the full code for that handlers?  Where is the value of  
it assigned?




Here's the full code for the function:

--
--
--  LibiPodTranslateField
--
--
function LibiPodTranslateField theFieldName,theFieldValue
  local myFieldValue

  put theFieldValue into myFieldValue
  switch theFieldName
  case DateAdded
  case ModDate
  case PlayedDate
  case TrackSkippedDate
convert myFieldValue to long date and long time
put it into myFieldValue

break

  end switch

  return myFieldValue
end LibiPodTranslateField

After a bit of playing around, I discovered that if I change the  
code to use:



convert 60 to long date and long time

Then it works, if I use:

convert myFieldValue to long date and long time

Then I get the error. How can I pass a seconds value other than a  
literal???


Also, why, after getting the error can I no longer open the prefs  
dialog?


Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
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Re: Weird RunRev IDE Problem

[Dave]

Hi,

I've changed it now. I agree it is awful, but overwriting input  
parameters is almost as bad. The problem here is that convert is a  
command rather than a function, it would be *much* better to make it  
a function and return the result.


All the Best
Dave

On 17 Jan 2008, at 15:41, Eric Chatonet wrote:

It works but why would you prefer the most complicated when the  
simpler is available?
BTW I avoid to use 'it' every time it appears possible and prefer  
to declare a variable of my own: 'it' can be changed by some  
commands along a handler and this is able to put a mess :-)


Le 17 janv. 08 à 16:24, Dave a écrit :


On 17 Jan 2008, at 15:04, Eric Chatonet wrote:


From Convert docs:
If the dateAndTime is a container, the converted date and time is  
placed in the container, replacing the previous contents. If the  
dateAndTime is a string, the converted date and time is placed in  
the it variable.

So in your case, returned value is not in 'it' but in 'myFieldValue'


Opps! Missed that bit! What happens if you use 0 + myFieldValue?

(which is how I got around the problem)

All the Best
Dave


Best regards from Paris,
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Re: cancel a wait

[Devin Asay]

Chris,

The waitDepth property might also help you. It will return the number  
of currently running handlers paused at a 'wait with messages'  
statement.



On Jan 16, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

On Jan 17, 2008 1:27 AM, Chris Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Is there any way to cancel a wait command?

So I'm wondering, if a user moves to that second card before the  
audio

of the first card finishes, is there some way to cancel that
wait...with messages? Does that make sense? Let me know if I need to
clarify.



I just created a quick test stack, two buttons, one with a script  
to beep,
wait 5 seconds with messages then beep again. The other button with  
a script
exit to top. Clicking the second button prevented the second beep  
from

occurring.

The docs says to use exit to top 'to stop executing the current  
handler and

suppress pending messages'

Suppress pending messages being what you're looking for I think.

My guess is a well placed 'exit to top' at the very end of a closeCard
handler in your first card might do the trick.


I've also used this technique successfully.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Weird RunRev IDE Problem

[Eric Chatonet]

It works but why would you prefer the most complicated when the  
simpler is available?
BTW I avoid to use 'it' every time it appears possible and prefer to  
declare a variable of my own: 'it' can be changed by some commands  
along a handler and this is able to put a mess :-)


Le 17 janv. 08 à 16:24, Dave a écrit :


On 17 Jan 2008, at 15:04, Eric Chatonet wrote:


From Convert docs:
If the dateAndTime is a container, the converted date and time is  
placed in the container, replacing the previous contents. If the  
dateAndTime is a string, the converted date and time is placed in  
the it variable.

So in your case, returned value is not in 'it' but in 'myFieldValue'


Opps! Missed that bit! What happens if you use 0 + myFieldValue?

(which is how I got around the problem)

All the Best
Dave


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Re: docs

[Devin Asay]

On Jan 16, 2008, at 11:56 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:


supercard docs leave the user reverse enginering for dollars

Yes. Yes, so true.

The problem is not with the existing docs, which are just fine for  
what they
do.  The problem, for people learning it, is that they are like a  
cookbook
all about ingredients but with no recipes for dishes.  Its like  
trying to

find how to make apple pie from a book which has very fine informative
entries for apple, pastry, sugar - but no entry for pie.

What you need when you are learning however is a cookbook that  
starts from

tasks.  The great Carla Schroder's Linux Cookbook is a fine example.


Just to remind everyone--there is a fine cookbook of recipes  
included in the Rev documentation, albeit easily overlooked. Just  
open Documentation  Getting Started, then choose Sample Projects or  
Sample Scripts. This is not an exhaustive list, but does give a good  
taste of how things are done in Rev.


These recipes are also searchable using the Search feature of the  
Documentation (Thanks, Eric!) Search also lets you search the mail  
list archives and several key web sites maintained by Rev developers.  
The Search feature is under-promoted and so often overlooked. It has  
saved my bacon many times.


By the time I have learned Rev properly, if I am spared that long,  
I'll have
personally written one in the form of notes on topics encountered  
as problems
to solve, and so will many of us.  It would be a great  
collaborative project

were something like this to be done right.  It would probably make a
significant contribution to Rev's success and adoption if there  
were one

available.

If everyone on the group just contributed one a month, it would be  
a fantastic
resource, and would grow to a respectable size very fast.  I'd be  
happy to
help.  Not with writing recipes  (which might be a bit of a  
disaster) but

with editing and so on.

Revolution Recipes.  It has a nice ring to it?


See comments above. :-)

Devin

Devin Asay
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Brigham Young University

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Re: importing a bunch of files

[Devin Asay]

On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:56 AM, Thierry wrote:



  set the uTest[some\thing] of this stack to test

  cautioning against naming custom properties anything that  
wouldn't be legal for variables, on the grounds that it may work  
now but might not work forever.



Where can we see more about:  be legal for variables  ?



From our tutorials at http://revolution.byu.edu/transcript/ 
Transcript1.php

A Revolution variable name:

May be any single string (no spaces) of letters, numbers, or  
underscores.

Must begin with a letter or underscore (never a number).
Cannot be a Transcript key word.
Is not case sensitive, but capital letters are often useful to  
improve readability.


I forget where I found these rules, but they were somewhere in the  
documentation. (Which begs the question that things should be easier  
to find in the docs.


HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
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Re: Weird RunRev IDE Problem

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi,

Revolution is an XTalk:
Probably 'convert value to short date and long time' is more  
English like than 'put convert(value,short date,long time) into  
something' :-)

I assume this has been carefully thought out since decades...

Le 17 janv. 08 à 16:50, Dave a écrit :

The problem here is that convert is a command rather than a  
function, it would be *much* better to make it a function and  
return the result.


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Re: importing a bunch of files

[Devin Asay]

On Jan 17, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Devin Asay wrote:



On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:56 AM, Thierry wrote:


Where can we see more about:  be legal for variables  ?



From our tutorials at http://revolution.byu.edu/transcript/ 
Transcript1.php

A Revolution variable name:

May be any single string (no spaces) of letters, numbers, or  
underscores.

Must begin with a letter or underscore (never a number).
Cannot be a Transcript key word.
Is not case sensitive, but capital letters are often useful to  
improve readability.


I forget where I found these rules, but they were somewhere in the  
documentation. (Which begs the question that things should be  
easier to find in the docs.)



Ah, found it: The Revolution User Guide PDF, section 5.5.5 - Variable  
Names. (Open Documentation, click User Guide, then launch PDF.)


Devin

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Re: docs

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Devin,

Le 17 janv. 08 à 17:17, Devin Asay a écrit :

These recipes are also searchable using the Search feature of the  
Documentation (Thanks, Eric!) Search also lets you search the mail  
list archives and several key web sites maintained by Rev  
developers. The Search feature is under-promoted and so often  
overlooked. It has saved my bacon many times.


Thanks for the kind word :-)
This Search Engine is under-promoted: yes :-(
And it has many unknown features:
For instance, it is able to display stacks uploaded to RevOnline for  
a week or a month.

This should prevent many to ask 'where is this stack?' on the list :-)
Talking of which, it allows also to subscribe/unsubscribe to any Rev  
list, find the definition of 'FTP', revise operator precedence and so  
much more.
I wanted it to be a Swiss knife: probably too much blades without  
making any hole in your pocket ;-)


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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Re: An interesting project?

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Andres Martinez wrote:

 As far as I know RR cannot play two simultaneous sounds.

Using player objects, you can play several sounds simultaneously (one sound
assigned to each player).

You can also play an imported sound and a player simultaneously.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


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Re: An interesting project?

[Andres Martinez]

Thank you Scott

It will help our developments tremendously!

I am going to start playing with it right now.

Regards,
Andres Martinez
www.baKno.com

On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:


Recently, Andres Martinez wrote:


As far as I know RR cannot play two simultaneous sounds.


Using player objects, you can play several sounds simultaneously  
(one sound

assigned to each player).

You can also play an imported sound and a player simultaneously.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


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Re: using PerlTk from runrev - does this work on mac?

[Joshua Lawrence]

Hi Franz,

It looks like OS X has some Perl libraries, but not
PerlTK.  I get this in the lower field when I hit the
button:

Can't locate Tk.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
/System/Library/Perl/5.8.6/darwin-thread-multi-2level
/System/Library/Perl/5.8.6
/Library/Perl/5.8.6/darwin-thread-multi-2level
/Library/Perl/5.8.6 /Library/Perl
/Network/Library/Perl/5.8.6/darwin-thread-multi-2level
/Network/Library/Perl/5.8.6 /Network/Library/Perl
/System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.8.6/darwin-thread-multi-2level
/System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.8.6 /Library/Perl/5.8.1
.) at -e line 1.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at -e line 1.

This is on OS X 10.4.11 (Tiger)

Josh

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I have done a little stack which runs a perl script
 embedded as a custom property. This works for me on
 my win pcs and servers with perl installed and on
 the linux. Does this work on a modern mac (= do you
 have PerlTk normally on your macs?).
 If it would work on mac too it would allow to extend
 runrev on any machine with the power of perl
 everytime we need it ...
 
 you can
 
 go stack URL http://animabit.de/runrev/perl.rev; 
 
 or test it on your own:
 
 [button]
 on mouseUp 
   replace cr with empty in field perl
   put field perl into auftrag
   replace quote with (\  quote) in auftrag
   put perl -e   quote  auftrag  quote into
 auftrag
   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
   --answer auftrag
   put shell(auftrag) into field ergebnis
 end mouseUp
 
 
 [text of field perl]
 
 
 use strict;use Tk;my $main =
 new MainWindow;$main-Label(-text = At the
 top (default)  \x{5DB}\x{5DC}\x{5DE}
 \x{fe95}\x{fe95})-pack;$main-Label(-text
 = 'At the bottom')-pack(-side = 'bottom');   
 $main-Label(-text = 'The middle remains')-pack;  
  my $top1 = $main-Toplevel;   
 $top1-Label(-text = 'Left')-pack(-side =
 'left');$top1-Label(-text =
 'Right')-pack(-side = 'right');   
 $top1-Label(-text = '?Bottom?')-pack(-side =
 'bottom');my $top2 =
 $main-Toplevel;my $frame = $top2-Frame;   
 $frame-pack;$frame-Label(-text =
 'Left2')-pack(-side = 'left');   
 $frame-Label(-text = 'Right2')-pack(-side =
 'right');$top2-Label(-text =
 'Bottom2')-pack(-side = 'bottom');   
 MainLoop;
 
 
 thank you, Franz
 Mit freundlichen Grüßen
 Franz Böhmisch
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.animabit.de
 GF Animabit Multimedia Software GmbH
 Am Sonnenhang 22
 D-94136 Thyrnau
 Tel +49 (0)8501-8538
 Fax +49 (0)8501-8537
 
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OT: MacWorld keynote

[Mark Wieder]

Missed the MacWorld keynote? Here it is condensed down to sixty seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz1-cPx0cIk

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RE: importing a bunch of files

[Randall Lee Reetz]

Have you written a file tree spider?

-Original Message-
From: Thierry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/17/2008 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: importing a bunch of files

Hi Randall,

 If you follow shuch a scheme,   ...

 All of this points to why it makes sense at times to interface your  
 stack to a professional data base and let it do all of this  
 structural efficiency heavylifting (that is what it is there for).   
 I like to build my own cause i like to learn...


 But the obsession is almost killing me.

Well, as far as I can see with your emails,
it seems you're full alive :-)

Thanks for all your remarks.

M, without explaining all the project,
I can give some rules which can be seen as formal facts:

- No database engine wanted !

-  No databases needed for this tree files It's only a tree !
These files are Text and only Text ,
 and they are read only once,
 but don't know when and in which order.

- From the user's point of view, it will makes no
differences at all ( even fully invisible ) that the file is read  
from the disk
or from whatever revolution's container where the text will be  
stored in.

- Revolution will be absolutely ignorant about the meaning of these  
files

- If all the files to be imported in a stack are too big,
they can be compressed as an option.

- must work on Mac/Windows/Linux boxes

Here is the context of my question about transforming a tree of files.
By now, I will try  to do this with custompropertysets,
and see what happens.

Regards,
Thierry

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Re: Weird RunRev IDE Problem

[Mark Wieder]

Dave-

I've changed it now. I agree it is awful, but overwriting input
parameters is almost as bad. The problem here is that convert is a
command rather than a function, it would be *much* better to make it
a function and return the result.

Agreed, but you'd have to change the syntax. You've used it like a command:

   convert myFieldValue to long date and long time

if you wanted to use it as a function you'd have to say

   put convert(myFieldValue, long date, long time) into myFieldValue

The docs list convert as a command. If you really need to, there's nothing 
(theoretically) stopping you from making a function that does what you want, 
but IMO it would be better in the long run just to get used to using the 
convert command the way it's documented to work:

FUNCTION ConvertTheHardWay pValue, pDateFormat, pTimeFormat
local tConvertedValue

put pValue into tConvertedValue
IF pTimeFormat is not empty THEN
do convert tConvertedValue to   pDateFormat  AND   
pTimeFormat
ELSE
do convert tConvertedValue t   pDateFormat
END IF
return tConvertedValue
END ConvertTheHardWay

put ConvertTheHardWay(theFieldValue, long date, long time) into myValue

This doesn't save any work (there's actually more typing to do) and you have 
to remember the syntax each time you go to use it...
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rawKeyDown not working in SAs?

[Chris Condit]

I've got a scrolling group (named OverlayAndImageGroup ) that is 
composed of an image of a map, and numerous text fields and other 
smaller groups.  I have been trying  to add the capability to use the 
mouse's scrolling wheel to scroll the group OverlayAndImageGroup up 
and down.


When I add to the group OverlayAndImageGroup the script

--below 3 handlers added 2007-12-18
on rawKeyDown theKeyNumber
  --put theKeyNumber into msg
  if theKeyNumber is 65308 then increaseScroll -- mouse wheel down
  else if theKeyNumber is 65309 then decreaseScroll -- mouse wheel up
  else pass rawKeyDown -- don't forget this!
end rawKeyDown

on decreaseScroll
  set the vScroll of group OverlayandImageGroup to the vScroll of 
group OverlayandImageGroup - 51
  put the ScreenmouseLoc into thisLoc --below done to get calcLatLong 
run to update latitude

  set the ScreenmouseLoc to item 1 of thisLoc, item 2 of thisLoc + 1
end decreaseScroll

on increaseScroll
  set the vScroll of group OverlayandImageGroup to the vScroll of 
group OverlayandImageGroup + 51
  put the ScreenmouseLoc into thisLoc--below done to get calcLatLong 
run to update latitude

  set the ScreenmouseLoc to item 1 of thisLoc, item 2 of thisLoc - 1
end increaseScroll

it works perfectly as long as I am in the development environment. 
I also have built into this Map stack, the ability to measure 
distances areas, etc., from a mouseDown handler in the Map stack 
script, and to get latitude - longitude read outs from a mouseMove 
handler in the Map stack's card level script. It, too works 
perfectly as long as I am in the development environment (one has 
to open a Tools palette to start measuring, a process that sets 
globals that control the measuring processes).


BUT when I create a standalone (for both Mac and Windows), neither 
the mouse scrolling wheel works to scroll the group 
OverlayandImageGroup up or down, nor does the ability to measure 
distances, areas, etc. work.  The mouseMove does, however, continue 
to feed into my lat-longitude script and give me lat  long.


Has anyone else run into this kind of a problem?

One can download the offending rev stack (18.2 MB unzipped, 6.5 MB 
zipped) from the url

http://ddm.geo.umass.edu/ddm-umass/ddm-umass-2008-01-17-rev.zip

if you want to get to SAs that do work, visit the web page 
http://ddm.geo.umass.edu/ddm-umass/index.html


I'm using Intel Macs (a MacBookPro and desktop Pro) and OS 10.4  
10.5 and both Rev 2.8.1 and 2.9.0-dp-3 Build 520 and all behavior is 
the same on the platforms, and on the Windows SA's I've created.

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Along the same lines, is there a rawKeyDown code for left-right 
scrolling?  I've used Sarah's KeyCoder.rev project (thanks, Sarah!) 
with no joy as well as the code:


  on rawKeyDown pKey
put pKey into msg
 end rawKeyDown

in a v and h scrolling field and get no rawKeyCode when i try to 
scroll left-right


appreciate help.
Chris
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Univ. Massachusetts,  611 North Pleasant St., Amherst, MA, 01003-9297

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Revolution Dynamic Digital Maps: http://ddm.geo.umass.edu

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Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Devin Asay]

On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Till Bandi wrote:


Hi all

is there a way to delete lines in a text file from Revoution? - i  
did not see how this can be done but probably it is very simple.


Till,

You have to read it in then write it back out. You can do it in one  
line like this (assume you want to delete the first line):


put line 2 to -1 of url file:/path/to/file.txt into url file:/path/ 
to/file.txt


Just modify the range of lines you want to have in the final file.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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using PerlTk from runrev - does this work on mac?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hello,

I have done a little stack which runs a perl script embedded as a custom 
property. This works for me on my win pcs and servers with perl installed and 
on the linux. Does this work on a modern mac (= do you have PerlTk normally on 
your macs?).
If it would work on mac too it would allow to extend runrev on any machine with 
the power of perl everytime we need it ...

you can

go stack URL http://animabit.de/runrev/perl.rev; 

or test it on your own:

[button]
on mouseUp 
  replace cr with empty in field perl
  put field perl into auftrag
  replace quote with (\  quote) in auftrag
  put perl -e   quote  auftrag  quote into auftrag
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  --answer auftrag
  put shell(auftrag) into field ergebnis
end mouseUp


[text of field perl]


use strict;use Tk;my $main = new MainWindow;
$main-Label(-text = At the top (default)  \x{5DB}\x{5DC}\x{5DE} 
\x{fe95}\x{fe95})-pack;$main-Label(-text = 'At the 
bottom')-pack(-side = 'bottom');$main-Label(-text = 'The middle 
remains')-pack;my $top1 = $main-Toplevel;$top1-Label(-text 
= 'Left')-pack(-side = 'left');$top1-Label(-text = 
'Right')-pack(-side = 'right');$top1-Label(-text = 
'?Bottom?')-pack(-side = 'bottom');my $top2 = 
$main-Toplevel;my $frame = $top2-Frame;$frame-pack;
$frame-Label(-text = 'Left2')-pack(-side = 'left');
$frame-Label(-text = 'Right2')-pack(-side = 'right');
$top2-Label(-text = 'Bottom2')-pack(-side = 'bottom');MainLoop;


thank you, Franz
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Franz Böhmisch

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Am Sonnenhang 22
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Tel +49 (0)8501-8538
Fax +49 (0)8501-8537

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Re: An interesting project?

[Devin Asay]

On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:25 AM, Andres Martinez wrote:


Hello Tim

As far as I know RR cannot play two simultaneous sounds.

This is the most important limitation about RR for us as game  
developers.


While it is true that you can only play one audio clip at a time  
using the play command, you can play audio files simultaneously using  
player objects.


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Delete lines in files (text files)

[Till Bandi]

Hi all

is there a way to delete lines in a text file from Revoution? - i did  
not see how this can be done but probably it is very simple.


Thanks

Till
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Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Devin Asay]

On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

Wow, i gave the supercard syntax, lots more verbose, (better  
question: how do you delete a line of script?).


How about (not tested):

get the script of btn myBtn
delete line 4 of it
set the script of btn myBtn to it

I think you might run up against the 10-line script limitation if you  
were doing this in a standalone app. Anybody know for sure?



Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: importing a bunch of files

[Stephen Barncard]

Where can we see more about:  be legal for variables  ?

Regards,
Thierry



The 'rules' for this might not be documented.

I've had problems with custom properties that are named like this:

1 a number  or begin with a number can be a problem
2 spaces in the name doesn't always work
3 use only alphanumeric characters except for underscore  (and maybe dashes)
4 no command token names
5 no object property names

this is why Richard's 'Hungarian Notation' works for this:

 'c'  prefix for custom property

cSQBMailPreferences--good custom prop name - this will always work
cSQB_mailPreferences  --with an underscore delimiter


of course any character, even binary is welcome inside any custom 
property. We're talking about property NAMES and Array key names.



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Directory Walkers and barking spiders

[Stephen Barncard]

Have you written a file tree spider?

-Original Message-



I think around these parts we call them 'Directory Walkers' and 
several here have contributed versions, some elaborate examples 
complete with scrolling fields and icons. I'm sure someone will chime 
in here once we get the nomenclature.



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RE: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Randall Lee Reetz]

You open the file
You read the contents odd the file
You put it into a var or field or customprop
You close the file
You delete the lines in your container
You open the file again
You write that container to the file
You close the file
-Original Message-
From: Till Bandi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/17/2008 11:05 AM
Subject: Delete lines in files (text files)

Hi all

is there a way to delete lines in a text file from Revoution? - i did  
not see how this can be done but probably it is very simple.

Thanks

Till
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Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Richard Gaskin]

Devin Asay wrote:
On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: 
Wow, i gave the supercard syntax, lots more verbose, (better  
question: how do you delete a line of script?).


How about (not tested):

get the script of btn myBtn
delete line 4 of it
set the script of btn myBtn to it

I think you might run up against the 10-line script limitation if you  
were doing this in a standalone app. Anybody know for sure?


Any script longer than 10 lines cannot be put into an object at runtime.

Randall, why do you need to edit the script at runtime?  I'll bet 
there's a more efficient solution we may be able to come up with for you.


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RE: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Randall Lee Reetz]

Wow, i gave the supercard syntax, lots more verbose, (better question: how do 
you delete a line of script?).

randall

-Original Message-
From: Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/17/2008 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: Delete lines in files (text files)


On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Till Bandi wrote:

 Hi all

 is there a way to delete lines in a text file from Revoution? - i  
 did not see how this can be done but probably it is very simple.

Till,

You have to read it in then write it back out. You can do it in one  
line like this (assume you want to delete the first line):

put line 2 to -1 of url file:/path/to/file.txt into url file:/path/ 
to/file.txt

Just modify the range of lines you want to have in the final file.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Mark Wieder]

Randall-

The ten-line limit is only for standalone apps. If you're running in the IDE 
there's no limit. Does that help?

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RE: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Randall Lee Reetz]

Actually richard,  this thread ran away on me... But i didn't know about this 
ten line limit?  That seems strange.  Why is that limit there?  And, yes i want 
to know how to fake it.

randall

-Original Message-
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/17/2008 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

Devin Asay wrote:
 On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: 
 Wow, i gave the supercard syntax, lots more verbose, (better  
 question: how do you delete a line of script?).
 
 How about (not tested):
 
 get the script of btn myBtn
 delete line 4 of it
 set the script of btn myBtn to it
 
 I think you might run up against the 10-line script limitation if you  
 were doing this in a standalone app. Anybody know for sure?

Any script longer than 10 lines cannot be put into an object at runtime.

Randall, why do you need to edit the script at runtime?  I'll bet 
there's a more efficient solution we may be able to come up with for you.

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RE: Directory Walkers and barking spiders

[Randall Lee Reetz]

You know what i hate, i will be proud that i made a walker in ten lines of 
script and someone will upload a one that is only a single char!  I met a guy 
at apple once the called n-1 (though he did die of a brain tumor).  My code 
is more in line with a more geriactric meaning of walker.

r
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/17/2008 11:51 AM
Subject: Directory Walkers and  barking spiders

Have you written a file tree spider?

-Original Message-


I think around these parts we call them 'Directory Walkers' and 
several here have contributed versions, some elaborate examples 
complete with scrolling fields and icons. I'm sure someone will chime 
in here once we get the nomenclature.


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RE: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Randall Lee Reetz]

Was joking.

-Original Message-
From: Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/17/2008 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Delete lines in files (text files)


On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

 Wow, i gave the supercard syntax, lots more verbose, (better  
 question: how do you delete a line of script?).

How about (not tested):

get the script of btn myBtn
delete line 4 of it
set the script of btn myBtn to it

I think you might run up against the 10-line script limitation if you  
were doing this in a standalone app. Anybody know for sure?


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Randall,

Le 17 janv. 08 à 21:00, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit :

But i didn't know about this ten line limit?  That seems strange.   
Why is that limit there?  And, yes i want to know how to fake it.


This limit is just to prevent malicious guys to fake Rev itself :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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Issues with start using stack

[Sharon Stamps]

Hello all,

I am hoping someone can help me with this... I have a library stack  
that I call using the start using stack command.  The script was  
originally contained in stack1's stack script.  Now I have several  
other stacks that need to do the same basic things, so I created  
stack2 as a library stack.  I removed the stack scripting in stack1.   
I call the start using stack command in the preOpenStack handler of  
stack1.  Now some handlers work fine, but other handlers give me  
errors, stating object is not found.  There seems to be no rhyme or  
reason to this.  (Example: I can show group readMe on the card just  
fine, but setting the style of scrollbar loudness on the same card  
gives me an error.)  I can not seem to figure out what the problem  
is.  Has anyone experienced something similar when using a library  
stack?  I currently have no handlers in stack1 that are also in  
stack2 (the library stack) so I am pretty sure it is not a hierarchy  
problem.  Any insights?


Thanks,

Sharon




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Testing Development
English Language Center
Brigham Young University
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Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Randall,

If you were allowed to set any script to any value (i.e. thousands of  
lines of code), you could build a standalone, the stacks of which  
would be able to clone all Rev features.

This limitation has been introduced to prevent this.
Just a security measure :-)

Le 17 janv. 08 à 23:18, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit :


I dont get it... Please explain.

-Original Message-
From: Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/17/2008 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

Hi Randall,

Le 17 janv. 08 à 21:00, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit :


But i didn't know about this ten line limit?  That seems strange.
Why is that limit there?  And, yes i want to know how to fake it.


This limit is just to prevent malicious guys to fake Rev itself :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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Another Revolution?

[Scott Rossi]

So, while visiting Macworld San Francisco this week, I chanced upon a small
booth that had the word HyperCard in the description.  I was prepared to
dismiss whatever goofball developments the guys there were showing, but
after talking to them for a while, I think they have an interesting take on
x-talk (for them it's HyperTalk).  Called TileStack, their intention is to
create a HyperCard-type development environment, but starting from the Web
side using Javascript libraries and server-based logic, instead of starting
from the desktop side.  All coding will use the HyperTalk (TileTalk?)
language and if I recall correctly, the initial IDE will be a Web-based
front end.

The interesting possibility about this is that, if it is ever released,
stacks will be immediately sharable by a much larger audience than x-talk
tools which require players/standalones (I believe only Javascript is needed
to run a stack, thus the potential for delivery could be equal to or maybe
even greater than Flash, which requires a player).  Obviously, there are a
lot of questions to be answered, and it wasn't clear to me how far along
they are, but they have a simple puzzle demo on their site and they are
collecting email addresses of interested parties for early access.

http://tilestack.com/

FWIW.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


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RE: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Randall Lee Reetz]

But isnt 10 a bit draconian?

-Original Message-
From: Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/17/2008 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

Hi Randall,

If you were allowed to set any script to any value (i.e. thousands of  
lines of code), you could build a standalone, the stacks of which  
would be able to clone all Rev features.
This limitation has been introduced to prevent this.
Just a security measure :-)

Le 17 janv. 08 à 23:18, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit :

 I dont get it... Please explain.

 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: 1/17/2008 12:35 PM
 Subject: Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

 Hi Randall,

 Le 17 janv. 08 à 21:00, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit :

 But i didn't know about this ten line limit?  That seems strange.
 Why is that limit there?  And, yes i want to know how to fake it.

 This limit is just to prevent malicious guys to fake Rev itself :-)

 Best regards from Paris,
 Eric Chatonet.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
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Re: Issues with start using stack

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Sharon,

When a library acts on objects/controls in another stack, it's usual  
to refer to these objects using their long name/ID to be sure to  
address the right object: just try it :-)
This means that a param passes the long name of an object and your  
lib acts as follows: 'set the width of pObj to value' for instance.
Then no matter what is the defaultStack or such issues that lead to  
errors like 'No such object'.


Le 17 janv. 08 à 22:38, Sharon Stamps a écrit :

I am hoping someone can help me with this... I have a library stack  
that I call using the start using stack command.  The script was  
originally contained in stack1's stack script.  Now I have several  
other stacks that need to do the same basic things, so I created  
stack2 as a library stack.  I removed the stack scripting in  
stack1.  I call the start using stack command in the preOpenStack  
handler of stack1.  Now some handlers work fine, but other handlers  
give me errors, stating object is not found.  There seems to be  
no rhyme or reason to this.  (Example: I can show group readMe on  
the card just fine, but setting the style of scrollbar loudness  
on the same card gives me an error.)  I can not seem to figure out  
what the problem is.  Has anyone experienced something similar when  
using a library stack?  I currently have no handlers in stack1 that  
are also in stack2 (the library stack) so I am pretty sure it is  
not a hierarchy problem.  Any insights?


Thanks,

Sharon


Best regards from Paris,
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Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Mark Wieder]

Randall-

 But isnt 10 a bit draconian?

Yep - it's draconian and it's arbitrary. And every time I get riled up about 
it I calm down and figure out a way to do what I want without having to 
break the limits. Sometimes by realizing that my app really can be better 
placed as a plugin stack, in which case the script limits don't apply; 
sometimes by coming up with an alternate plan that doesn't involve changing 
stack scripts after all - self-modifying code does get a bit gnarly to 
debug.

...and if you *really* need to modify more than ten lines of scripts you can 
state your case to the runrev team and apply for a waiver of the limits. In 
theory, anyway - I've never run into anyone who actually needed to do this.

-- 
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Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Eric Chatonet]

Well...
All limits are arbitrary and this does not apply to Rev only :-)
See scriptLimits function in the dictionary:

* the number of statements permitted when changing a script (normally  
10 in a standalone application)
* the number of statements permitted in a do command (normally 10 in  
a standalone application)
* the number of stacks permitted in the stacksInUse (normally 50 in a  
standalone application)
* the number of objects permitted in the frontScripts and backScripts  
(normally 10 in a standalone application)


But AFAIK a 'if then end if' (three lines) is counted as one line  
only for instance.


Le 17 janv. 08 à 23:47, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit :


But isnt 10 a bit draconian?

-Original Message-
From: Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/17/2008 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

Hi Randall,

If you were allowed to set any script to any value (i.e. thousands of
lines of code), you could build a standalone, the stacks of which
would be able to clone all Rev features.
This limitation has been introduced to prevent this.
Just a security measure :-)

Le 17 janv. 08 à 23:18, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit :


I dont get it... Please explain.

-Original Message-
From: Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/17/2008 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

Hi Randall,

Le 17 janv. 08 à 21:00, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit :


But i didn't know about this ten line limit?  That seems strange.
Why is that limit there?  And, yes i want to know how to fake it.


This limit is just to prevent malicious guys to fake Rev itself :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.



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RE: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Randall Lee Reetz]

I dont get it... Please explain.

-Original Message-
From: Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: 1/17/2008 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

Hi Randall,

Le 17 janv. 08 à 21:00, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit :

 But i didn't know about this ten line limit?  That seems strange.   
 Why is that limit there?  And, yes i want to know how to fake it.

This limit is just to prevent malicious guys to fake Rev itself :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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Re: Time Conversion Problem

[Sarah Reichelt]

 I am reading a file that contains date and time data. The Date/Time
 is represented as a 4 byte integer and is defined as the number of
 seconds since 1/1/1904 (Apple Date/Time format). Does anyone know if
 there is a way to convert this to a displayable format, e.g.
 Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:35 PM. If there isn't a way of doing
 this in RunRev, does anyone know how to go about doing this?

This will need testing, but I think HyperCard used the 1904 starting
date for it's seconds, so my old HyperCard to Rev function should
work:

function HCtoRevSeconds pSecs
  if pSecs is empty OR pSecs is not a number
  then return the seconds
  put pSecs - 2082880800 into revSecs
  return revSecs
end HCtoRevSeconds

Then you have the date  time in Rev seconds and you can format it
using the usual methods. From your example, you could use something
like this:

put HCtoRevSeconds(tFileTime) into tRevTime
convert tRevTime to long system date and short system time

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Another Revolution?

[Neal Campbell K3NC]

I saw their small ad in MacWorld and was very interested. Will be  
great to see how they fare in the marketplace!



Neal Campbell

www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
AIM:nealk3nc






On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

So, while visiting Macworld San Francisco this week, I chanced upon  
a small
booth that had the word HyperCard in the description.  I was  
prepared to
dismiss whatever goofball developments the guys there were showing,  
but
after talking to them for a while, I think they have an interesting  
take on
x-talk (for them it's HyperTalk).  Called TileStack, their  
intention is to
create a HyperCard-type development environment, but starting from  
the Web
side using Javascript libraries and server-based logic, instead of  
starting

from the desktop side.  All coding will use the HyperTalk (TileTalk?)
language and if I recall correctly, the initial IDE will be a Web- 
based

front end.

The interesting possibility about this is that, if it is ever  
released,
stacks will be immediately sharable by a much larger audience than x- 
talk
tools which require players/standalones (I believe only Javascript  
is needed
to run a stack, thus the potential for delivery could be equal to or  
maybe
even greater than Flash, which requires a player).  Obviously, there  
are a
lot of questions to be answered, and it wasn't clear to me how far  
along
they are, but they have a simple puzzle demo on their site and they  
are

collecting email addresses of interested parties for early access.

http://tilestack.com/

FWIW.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


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Re: Another Revolution?

[Andre Garzia]

ho ho ho there's a trend forming...

I can see a nice future... with or without tilestack... :-D

Cheers
andre
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Re: using PerlTk from runrev - does this work on mac?

[Sarah Reichelt]

I get the same as Josh using OS X 10.5.1 (except that it is using Perl 5.8.8).
Sarah


On Jan 18, 2008 3:22 AM, Joshua Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Franz,

 It looks like OS X has some Perl libraries, but not
 PerlTK.  I get this in the lower field when I hit the
 button:

 Can't locate Tk.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
 /System/Library/Perl/5.8.6/darwin-thread-multi-2level
 /System/Library/Perl/5.8.6
 /Library/Perl/5.8.6/darwin-thread-multi-2level
 /Library/Perl/5.8.6 /Library/Perl
 /Network/Library/Perl/5.8.6/darwin-thread-multi-2level
 /Network/Library/Perl/5.8.6 /Network/Library/Perl
 /System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.8.6/darwin-thread-multi-2level
 /System/Library/Perl/Extras/5.8.6 /Library/Perl/5.8.1
 .) at -e line 1.
 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at -e line 1.

 This is on OS X 10.4.11 (Tiger)

 Josh


 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hello,
 
  I have done a little stack which runs a perl script
  embedded as a custom property. This works for me on
  my win pcs and servers with perl installed and on
  the linux. Does this work on a modern mac (= do you
  have PerlTk normally on your macs?).
  If it would work on mac too it would allow to extend
  runrev on any machine with the power of perl
  everytime we need it ...
 
  you can
 
  go stack URL http://animabit.de/runrev/perl.rev;
 
  or test it on your own:
 
  [button]
  on mouseUp
replace cr with empty in field perl
put field perl into auftrag
replace quote with (\  quote) in auftrag
put perl -e   quote  auftrag  quote into
  auftrag
set the hideConsoleWindows to true
--answer auftrag
put shell(auftrag) into field ergebnis
  end mouseUp
 
 
  [text of field perl]
 
 
  use strict;use Tk;my $main =
  new MainWindow;$main-Label(-text = At the
  top (default)  \x{5DB}\x{5DC}\x{5DE}
  \x{fe95}\x{fe95})-pack;$main-Label(-text
  = 'At the bottom')-pack(-side = 'bottom');
  $main-Label(-text = 'The middle remains')-pack;
   my $top1 = $main-Toplevel;
  $top1-Label(-text = 'Left')-pack(-side =
  'left');$top1-Label(-text =
  'Right')-pack(-side = 'right');
  $top1-Label(-text = '?Bottom?')-pack(-side =
  'bottom');my $top2 =
  $main-Toplevel;my $frame = $top2-Frame;
  $frame-pack;$frame-Label(-text =
  'Left2')-pack(-side = 'left');
  $frame-Label(-text = 'Right2')-pack(-side =
  'right');$top2-Label(-text =
  'Bottom2')-pack(-side = 'bottom');
  MainLoop;
 
 
  thank you, Franz
  Mit freundlichen Grüßen
  Franz Böhmisch
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  http://www.animabit.de
  GF Animabit Multimedia Software GmbH
  Am Sonnenhang 22
  D-94136 Thyrnau
  Tel +49 (0)8501-8538
  Fax +49 (0)8501-8537
 
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Re: Another Revolution?

[Len Morgan]

Their site generates only errors for me.  Too bad.  Latest Firefox if it 
makes a difference.


len morgan

Scott Rossi wrote:

... but they have a simple puzzle demo on their site and they are
collecting email addresses of interested parties for early access.

http://tilestack.com/

FWIW.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


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drag question

[Mark Swindell]

I have an image that resides below a group and is not part of the  
group.  The group consists of  a collection of fields which have no  
scripts and are not focusable.  In the group script I placed the  
handler:


on mouseDown
grab image artwork
end mouseDown

This works if don't select directly over a field, and I can adjust  
the position of the  image by dragging it around.If I click over  
a field it doesn't work.  I'm assuming the mouseDown if being trapped  
by the field.  But shouldn't it be passed along to the group script?


I'm not outside the bounds of the image.

Can anyone clarify what is happing here, or suggest another approach  
to being able to move the image around?


Thanks,
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Re: Another Revolution?

[Mark Swindell]

I was able to play the tile game on Safari.  Slow, but it worked.
Mark

On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

Their site generates only errors for me.  Too bad.  Latest Firefox  
if it makes a difference.


len morgan

Scott Rossi wrote:

... but they have a simple puzzle demo on their site and they are
collecting email addresses of interested parties for early access.

http://tilestack.com/

FWIW.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


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Re: Another Revolution?

[Len Morgan]

Just out of curiosity,  I pulled IE out of the closet and the site 
worked fine with it so I guess it's a problem with tilestack and Firefox.


len


Mark Swindell wrote:

I was able to play the tile game on Safari.  Slow, but it worked.
Mark

On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

Their site generates only errors for me.  Too bad.  Latest Firefox if 
it makes a difference.


len morgan

Scott Rossi wrote:

... but they have a simple puzzle demo on their site and they are
collecting email addresses of interested parties for early access.

http://tilestack.com/

FWIW.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


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Re: Another Revolution?

[Mark Swindell]

Cleverly concealed on the bottom right side of the screen below a  
signup invitation:


Looking for the Tile Out stack?


On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:07 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

I didn't even see a Tile Game! Just a place to sign up and another  
if I had been invited.


Joe Wilkins

On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:


I was able to play the tile game on Safari.  Slow, but it worked.
Mark

On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

Their site generates only errors for me.  Too bad.  Latest  
Firefox if it makes a difference.


len morgan

Scott Rossi wrote:

... but they have a simple puzzle demo on their site and they are
collecting email addresses of interested parties for early access.

http://tilestack.com/

FWIW.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


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Re: Another Revolution?

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

I didn't even see a Tile Game! Just a place to sign up and another if  
I had been invited.


Joe Wilkins

On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:


I was able to play the tile game on Safari.  Slow, but it worked.
Mark

On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

Their site generates only errors for me.  Too bad.  Latest Firefox  
if it makes a difference.


len morgan

Scott Rossi wrote:

... but they have a simple puzzle demo on their site and they are
collecting email addresses of interested parties for early access.

http://tilestack.com/

FWIW.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


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Re: Another Revolution?

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Neal,

Out of curiosity, why do you use Firefox instead of Safari? I know a  
lot of people do, but Safari has always worked great for me. TIA,


Joe Wilkins

On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Neal Campbell wrote:


It worked fine with Firefox on my leopard system.

Neal

On Jan 17, 2008 10:10 PM, Mark Swindell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cleverly concealed on the bottom right side of the screen below a
signup invitation:

Looking for the Tile Out stack?



On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:07 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:


I didn't even see a Tile Game! Just a place to sign up and another
if I had been invited.

Joe Wilkins

On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:


I was able to play the tile game on Safari.  Slow, but it worked.
Mark

On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Len Morgan wrote:


Their site generates only errors for me.  Too bad.  Latest
Firefox if it makes a difference.

len morgan

Scott Rossi wrote:

... but they have a simple puzzle demo on their site and they are
collecting email addresses of interested parties for early  
access.


http://tilestack.com/

FWIW.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


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Re: Another Revolution?

[Neal Campbell]

It worked fine with Firefox on my leopard system.

Neal

On Jan 17, 2008 10:10 PM, Mark Swindell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cleverly concealed on the bottom right side of the screen below a
 signup invitation:

 Looking for the Tile Out stack?



 On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:07 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

  I didn't even see a Tile Game! Just a place to sign up and another
  if I had been invited.
 
  Joe Wilkins
 
  On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:
 
  I was able to play the tile game on Safari.  Slow, but it worked.
  Mark
 
  On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Len Morgan wrote:
 
  Their site generates only errors for me.  Too bad.  Latest
  Firefox if it makes a difference.
 
  len morgan
 
  Scott Rossi wrote:
  ... but they have a simple puzzle demo on their site and they are
  collecting email addresses of interested parties for early access.
 
  http://tilestack.com/
 
  FWIW.
 
  Regards,
 
  Scott Rossi
  Creative Director
  Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design
 
 
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Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Till Bandi]

I guess that would be a good solution - my only problem is that the  
file has 5.6 Gigabytes. So I can't put it all in memory.


My real problem is here:

put 1 into vStartwert
set the cursor to watch
open file tFileIn
open file tFileOut

repeat forever
read from file tFileIn at vStartwert for 100 lines
put it into vChunk
replace ; with tab in vChunk
replace , with . in vChunk
write vChunk to  file vFileOut at end
add number of chars of vChunk to vStartwert
end repeat
close file tFileIn
close file tFileOut

This works until the output file reaches 2 Gigabytes. So I think  
vStartwert is getting to big and doesn't work anymore. Therefore I  
wanted to delete
the Lines I already treated in the input file so I could always start  
at the first line.


Maybe there is a better solution?

Till

Am 17.01.2008 um 20:25 schrieb Devin Asay:



On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Till Bandi wrote:


Hi all

is there a way to delete lines in a text file from Revoution? - i  
did not see how this can be done but probably it is very simple.


Till,

You have to read it in then write it back out. You can do it in one  
line like this (assume you want to delete the first line):


put line 2 to -1 of url file:/path/to/file.txt into url file:/ 
path/to/file.txt


Just modify the range of lines you want to have in the final file.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Delete lines in files (text files)

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Till,

Sounds to me as if you need to make some better arrangements; file- 
size-wise that is. You are in control of the situation; are you not?


Joe Wilkins

On Jan 17, 2008, at 10:22 PM, Till Bandi wrote:

I guess that would be a good solution - my only problem is that the  
file has 5.6 Gigabytes. So I can't put it all in memory.


My real problem is here:

put 1 into vStartwert
set the cursor to watch
open file tFileIn
open file tFileOut

repeat forever
read from file tFileIn at vStartwert for 100 lines
put it into vChunk
replace ; with tab in vChunk
replace , with . in vChunk
write vChunk to  file vFileOut at end
add number of chars of vChunk to vStartwert
end repeat
close file tFileIn
close file tFileOut

This works until the output file reaches 2 Gigabytes. So I think  
vStartwert is getting to big and doesn't work anymore. Therefore I  
wanted to delete
the Lines I already treated in the input file so I could always  
start at the first line.


Maybe there is a better solution?

Till

Am 17.01.2008 um 20:25 schrieb Devin Asay:



On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Till Bandi wrote:


Hi all

is there a way to delete lines in a text file from Revoution? - i  
did not see how this can be done but probably it is very simple.


Till,

You have to read it in then write it back out. You can do it in  
one line like this (assume you want to delete the first line):


put line 2 to -1 of url file:/path/to/file.txt into url file:/ 
path/to/file.txt


Just modify the range of lines you want to have in the final file.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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