Re: UI performance and large data set in Table Object

[viktoras didziulis]

Hi Mark,

use scrolling field object with vgrid and hgrid set to true (table to 
false), so you will get it formatted correctly without all the overheads 
of the table object. I always use this when I need table and it for me 
handles a few thousand records without any slowing downs.


One more option would be to play with LIMIT and OFFSET in SQL SELECT's 
and display only parts of the query that you want to.


All the best
Viktoras


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Re: UI performance and large data set in Table Object

[Thierry]

Hi,



 Hi Sarah,
 That sounds promising, especially reading prior threads on the  
same custom

 property concept.


The data was there already. I actually MOVED it to custom properties
rather than duplicating the data, so the overhead was no worse than it
had been and quite acceptable. The stack ended up at about 6 MB. The
data is not stored forever, it just builds up over 1 - 2 weeks, then
gets cleared and the process starts again.



I did use the same concept for an old project. During development,
all of a project Datas where stored in a folder on an Intranet site,  
to be

shared by multiple computers.

When everything works, and for security, administration and
others reasons I forgot,  I put the contents of a folder in a stack,
no widget, only an empty stack, with no scripts and only customs
properties. One stack contains all the Datas plus Log information plus
extras time Datas,... To choose a project, the user has to choose a  
file,
stored wherever he feels on his disk. These stacks could be more than  
10 Mb,

storing, text, binary datas, logs, images,
I did change the extension of these stacks too... so the users could  
see their

projects as a one file; they like it.

Another thing to say that choosing this architecture, the development  
was short

with almost no debug process !

And if you come from another software planet, customs properties are  
only

associative arrays, no more really.

And the last but not the least, it was before 2000, and, at this  
time, I got so

many clever and good answers from this list...  :-)


HTH,
Have a nice day,

Thierry


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Re: Blocking control s

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Tom,

To prevent other people from changing your stacks, you can set the  
cantModify to true after setting a password for your stack.


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Op 22-feb-2008, om 5:39 heeft Tom Johnson het volgende geschreven:


Hi all,
I'm sure three's an easy way to do this but how do I block the user  
from

saving by pressing "control s"?

Tom



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mimicking awks fs and ofs

[Peter Alcibiades]

How do you do this?  Its super easy in awk.  You just set the item delimiters 
for the input file and the item delimiters for the output file independently.  
Then if you write, for instance, items 1 and 2 to the output fie, they may 
have been tab separated in the input file but will now be | separated or 
whatever in the output file.  Its very simple.  But there doesn't seem to be 
the same thing in Rev.  

Or maybe I am too hung up on the awk model and can't see it?

Peter
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Re: mimicking awks fs and ofs

[Mark Smith]

Peter,

put url InputFile into tData
replace tab with comma in tData
put tData into url outputFile

Best,

Mark

On 22 Feb 2008, at 11:11, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

How do you do this?  Its super easy in awk.  You just set the item  
delimiters
for the input file and the item delimiters for the output file  
independently.
Then if you write, for instance, items 1 and 2 to the output fie,  
they may
have been tab separated in the input file but will now be |  
separated or
whatever in the output file.  Its very simple.  But there doesn't  
seem to be

the same thing in Rev.

Or maybe I am too hung up on the awk model and can't see it?

Peter
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Re: mimicking awks fs and ofs

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Peter,

Le 22 févr. 08 à 12:11, Peter Alcibiades a écrit :

How do you do this?  Its super easy in awk.  You just set the item  
delimiters
for the input file and the item delimiters for the output file  
independently.
Then if you write, for instance, items 1 and 2 to the output fie,  
they may
have been tab separated in the input file but will now be |  
separated or
whatever in the output file.  Its very simple.  But there doesn't  
seem to be

the same thing in Rev.

Or maybe I am too hung up on the awk model and can't see it?


This a bit different in Rev :-)
Assuming tImput is a tab delimited list and tOutput must be a comma  
delimited one:


set the itemDel to tab
put item x to y of tInput into tOutput
replace tab with comma in tOutput


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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Re: mimicking awks fs and ofs

[Thierry]

Hi



put url InputFile into tData
replace tab with comma in tData
put tData into url outputFile


assuming that
you don't have tabs or/and comma IN your datas...

Regards,
Thierry

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RevOnRockets website is up

[Chipp Walters]

And you can signup to be notified when tutorials are completed. Of course
the signup form is a RevOnRockets cgi!

www.revonrockets.com

-Chipp and Andre
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Re: Wait with messages

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Curry,

There might be a problem caused by the fact that the script is  
currently running, but since I don't see how you change x, I am not  
sure about this. Usually, I use a custom property or the hilite of a  
button rather than a variable (which in your case seems to be set and  
read in the same script). Also, I can imagine that waiting with  
messages halfway the repeat loop doesn't work perfectly. I always put  
the wait statement at the end of the loop.


Also, the repeat loop itself doesn't run with messages. What always  
works for me is:


repeat forever with messages -- I rarely use forever btw
  if someCondition then
-- do something
  else exit repeat
  wait 0 millisecs with messages
end repeat

You might need to re-think the design of your repeat loop. Why do you  
need to check x two times? Is it possible for the user to determine  
whether s/he will click before the first or the second wait statement?


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Op 22-feb-2008, om 14:24 heeft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
het volgende geschreven:



I have a loop with :-

repeat
. do something (takes about 250ms)
wait 1 millisecond with messages
if x=1 then exit repeat
. do something (takes about 250ms)
wait 1 millisecond with messages
if x=1 then exit repeat
end repeat

I have a button that makes x =1 to exit 1 card and go to another

The seems to be a larger delay than i expected to exit the repeat  
2-5 secs 


Any ideas how to exit repeat very fast ???

Thanks in advance !


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Wait with messages

[camm29]

I have a loop with :-

repeat
. do something (takes about 250ms)
wait 1 millisecond with messages
if x=1 then exit repeat
. do something (takes about 250ms)
wait 1 millisecond with messages
if x=1 then exit repeat
end repeat

I have a button that makes x =1 to exit 1 card and go to another

The seems to be a larger delay than i expected to exit the repeat 2-5 secs 

Any ideas how to exit repeat very fast ???

Thanks in advance !

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RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Dave]

Hi All,

I read the following in the RunRev Newsletter:

Active Scripting

A long standing feature of Revolution on Mac OS X has been the  
ability to easily execute AppleScript using the alternate language  
variant of the do command. This is can be extremely useful because  
Applescript is supported by many Mac OS X applications for external  
scripting and automation. For example, you can instruct the Finder to  
open a window to the startup-disk with something like:


local tApplescript
put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & return after  
tApplescript

put "activate" & return after tApplescript
put "make new Finder window to startup disk" & return after tApplescript
put "end tell"
do tApplescript as "applescript"

Up until now, there has been no analogue for this feature on Windows  
– however, with 2.9 comes the ability to use any Window Active  
Scripting Languge in the alternate language variant of do. At first  
glance this may not seem like a particularly useful feature, until  
you realize most active scripting languages allow easy creation of  
OLE/Automation objects.


For example, it is really easy to control iTunes using VBScript. The  
following simple code snippet will start the current song in iTunes  
playing:


local tVBScript
put "Dim iTunesApp" & return after tVBScript
put "Set iTunesApp = CreateObject(" & quote & "iTunes.Application" &  
quote & ")" & \

return after tVBScript
put "iTunesApp.CurrentTrack.Play()" after tVBScript
do tVBScript as "vbscript"

-

My question is:

Does it also support JavaScript? As in:

 do tJavaScript as "javascript"

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave











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Re: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Klaus Major]

Am 22.02.2008 um 15:24 schrieb Dave:


...
My question is:

Does it also support JavaScript? As in:
 do tJavaScript as "javascript"


No.


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Re: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Dave,

If you enter

put the alternateLanguages

in the message box and press enter, you will see a list of supported  
alternative languages. On my PC, this included "SignedJavaScript"  
including the quotes. It looks like you can do


do "command.javascript.some" as (quote & SignedJavaScript & quote)

I haven't tested this.

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Op 22-feb-2008, om 15:24 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven:


Hi All,

I read the following in the RunRev Newsletter:





My question is:

Does it also support JavaScript? As in:

 do tJavaScript as "javascript"

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



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Re: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Mark Schonewille]

Did a quick test...

It looks like these quoted language names don't make sense. I get  
"language not found" after trying to execute something, whatever I  
try. I wonder if this is a bug.


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Op 22-feb-2008, om 15:31 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven:


Hi Dave,

If you enter

put the alternateLanguages

in the message box and press enter, you will see a list of  
supported alternative languages. On my PC, this included  
"SignedJavaScript" including the quotes. It looks like you can do


do "command.javascript.some" as (quote & SignedJavaScript & quote)

I haven't tested this.

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille


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Re: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Trevor DeVore]

On Feb 22, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Dave wrote:


My question is:

Does it also support JavaScript? As in:

do tJavaScript as "javascript"


JScript is listed among the alternateLanguages on my Windows XP  
machine and executing:


do "result = 1 + 1" as "jscript"
answer the result

displays "2" in the answer dialog. So you could experiment with that.  
I think the issue really becomes what objects are available.


Regards,

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Re: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Klaus Major]

Hi Mark,


Hi Dave,

If you enter

put the alternateLanguages

in the message box and press enter, you will see a list of  
supported alternative languages. On my PC, this included  
"SignedJavaScript" including the quotes. It looks like you can do


do "command.javascript.some" as (quote & SignedJavaScript & quote)

I haven't tested this.


Oh, really? Did not know this...

Looks my "No" was a bit premature :-)

On the other hand, is this documented somewhere and thus official?

But a short look in the docs reveals:
"Returns the list of 'active scripting' languages that are installed  
on the system."


So question is, how can one install other "active scripting"  
languages than AppleScrip/VBScript?



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Best

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RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?

[Dave]

Hi All,

I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate apps for  
the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.


All the Best
Dave


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Re: RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?

[Luis]

Hiya,

iPhone/iPod Touch SDK: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/ 
third_party_apps.php


Cheers,

Luis.


On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:00, Andre Garzia wrote:


Dave,

I don't think the iPhone has a SDK yet So I don't think that is
even doable. Not only it has no SDK but the cpu is ARM based and we
only have engines for x86, PPC and Sparc.

So if it means creating a new engine with no OS SDK, I think RunRev
Team will focus on other more important things such as the web...

Andre

On 2/22/08, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi All,

 I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate apps for
 the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.

 All the Best
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Re: RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?

[Andre Garzia]

As I said, it is not available... :-/

silly apples...

andre

On 2/22/08, Luis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hiya,
>
>  iPhone/iPod Touch SDK: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/
>  third_party_apps.php
>
>  Cheers,
>
>
>  Luis.
>
>
>
>  On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:00, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>  > Dave,
>  >
>  > I don't think the iPhone has a SDK yet So I don't think that is
>  > even doable. Not only it has no SDK but the cpu is ARM based and we
>  > only have engines for x86, PPC and Sparc.
>  >
>  > So if it means creating a new engine with no OS SDK, I think RunRev
>  > Team will focus on other more important things such as the web...
>  >
>  > Andre
>  >
>  > On 2/22/08, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >> Hi All,
>  >>
>  >>  I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate apps for
>  >>  the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.
>  >>
>  >>  All the Best
>  >>  Dave
>  >>
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Re: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Klaus,

No no, your no wasn't premature. Not completely at least. I assume  
that not all languages in the list returned by the alternateLanguages  
are useful.


There are a few OSA languages around, e.g. the JavaScript OSA  
extension for Mac by LateNight software, which works great. Frontier  
is another OSA language, which is available for Windows and Mac. Look  
at  and   
for more info. If you decide to give it a try, please let me know if  
you got it working with Rev.


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Op 22-feb-2008, om 15:39 heeft Klaus Major het volgende geschreven:




Oh, really? Did not know this...

Looks my "No" was a bit premature :-)

On the other hand, is this documented somewhere and thus official?

But a short look in the docs reveals:
"Returns the list of 'active scripting' languages that are  
installed on the system."


So question is, how can one install other "active scripting"  
languages than AppleScrip/VBScript?



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Re: RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?

[Andre Garzia]

Dave,

I don't think the iPhone has a SDK yet So I don't think that is
even doable. Not only it has no SDK but the cpu is ARM based and we
only have engines for x86, PPC and Sparc.

So if it means creating a new engine with no OS SDK, I think RunRev
Team will focus on other more important things such as the web...

Andre

On 2/22/08, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>  I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate apps for
>  the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.
>
>  All the Best
>  Dave
>
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Re: RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?

[Luis]

Unless you ROR it via web apps.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:19, Andre Garzia wrote:


As I said, it is not available... :-/

silly apples...

andre

On 2/22/08, Luis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hiya,

 iPhone/iPod Touch SDK: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/
 third_party_apps.php

 Cheers,


 Luis.



 On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:00, Andre Garzia wrote:


Dave,

I don't think the iPhone has a SDK yet So I don't think that is
even doable. Not only it has no SDK but the cpu is ARM based and we
only have engines for x86, PPC and Sparc.

So if it means creating a new engine with no OS SDK, I think RunRev
Team will focus on other more important things such as the web...

Andre

On 2/22/08, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi All,

 I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate  
apps for

 the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.

 All the Best
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Re: RunRev for iPhone/iPod Touch?

[Andre Garzia]

Luis,

:-D

There are many uses for RevOnRockets...

The tutorials will rock! :D

Andre


On 2/22/08, Luis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unless you ROR it via web apps.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>
>  Luis.
>
>
>
>  On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:19, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>  > As I said, it is not available... :-/
>  >
>  > silly apples...
>  >
>  > andre
>  >
>  > On 2/22/08, Luis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >> Hiya,
>  >>
>  >>  iPhone/iPod Touch SDK: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/
>  >>  third_party_apps.php
>  >>
>  >>  Cheers,
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  Luis.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  On 22 Feb 2008, at 15:00, Andre Garzia wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> Dave,
>  >>>
>  >>> I don't think the iPhone has a SDK yet So I don't think that is
>  >>> even doable. Not only it has no SDK but the cpu is ARM based and we
>  >>> only have engines for x86, PPC and Sparc.
>  >>>
>  >>> So if it means creating a new engine with no OS SDK, I think RunRev
>  >>> Team will focus on other more important things such as the web...
>  >>>
>  >>> Andre
>  >>>
>  >>> On 2/22/08, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Hi All,
>  
>    I think it would be a spiffing idea to have RunRev generate
>   apps for
>    the iPhone/iPod Touch? Not sure if it will happen tho.
>  
>    All the Best
>    Dave
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re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Lars Brehmer]

I couldn't agree more!  Personally I doubt I will ever learn to use/ 
code Apple's Xcode or the coming iPhone SDK, but I am sure some of you  
real cracks out there could develop a rev stack that can convert what  
is necessary to run a standalone on those devices. Or do the rev  
developers themselves plan to make that platform a standalone option?  
I guess that can't really be answered until everyone has seen the  
SDK,but isn't it theoretically possible? I am keeping my fingers  
crossed!


Lars
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Re: UI performance and large data set in Table Object

[Richard Gaskin]

mfstuart wrote:

As I mentioned in my previous listing, 20, 30, or 5 lines can be found,
depends on the users search criteria. My example was 20,844 lines).
The record length for the table is 255 (counting up the SQL definition
lengths for all columns)
On the stack I'm only using 8 of the 13 columns from the SQL table. The
record length for the Table Field then is 200.

I also tried the Scrolling Field and compared it to the Table Field, using
20,844 lines - big difference, where the Scrolling Field won in it's
performance of no degradation of stack resize.
But I've never used this object before, because I lose the formatting of
columnar presentation.

If I use this object, is there a way to set it to columnar appearance?


The field object was the key to the recipe I provided in my earlier
post, but when I wrote that I forgot to specify "Any text container 
controls other than what the IDE calls a 'Table Object'". :)


The other ingredients in my recipe were to set its hGrid and vGrid
properties. Once you do that, you've just made an engine-native table field.

I don't use the Rev IDE myself, so I've never had occasion to use it's
"Table Object" (I still use the old IDE from before the acquisition,
MetaCard), so I can't guess what it's doing that would eat so much time. 
 But apparently some of the extra properties they set in it trigger a 
lot of other scripts in their libraries.


Does anyone here know what the scripts driving Rev's "Table Object" are 
doing that would require so much processing during resizing?


While there may be some room to optimize some of the scripts in the Rev 
IDE, I have a *lot* of confidence in the Rev engine.  Glad to see you've 
found a solution with it that performs well.



Know the engine.
Trust the engine.
Use the engine.

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beta 2.9

[Eric A. Engle]

Hi,

I signed up for beta testing of rev 2.9 and still
haven't a password / login url. :(

Eric


  

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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Andre Garzia]

Lars,

standalones would need an ARM targeted engine and that does not exist
(I think). Best options for us is Web apps on iPhone.

iPhone javascript support has some nice features so you can build nice
webapps for it.

andre
PS: who has not an iPhone and thus can't test anything.

On 2/22/08, Lars Brehmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I couldn't agree more!  Personally I doubt I will ever learn to use/
>  code Apple's Xcode or the coming iPhone SDK, but I am sure some of you
>  real cracks out there could develop a rev stack that can convert what
>  is necessary to run a standalone on those devices. Or do the rev
>  developers themselves plan to make that platform a standalone option?
>  I guess that can't really be answered until everyone has seen the
>  SDK,but isn't it theoretically possible? I am keeping my fingers
>  crossed!
>
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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Richard Gaskin]

Lars Brehmer wrote:

> ...do the rev developers themselves plan to make that platform
> a standalone option? I guess that can't really be answered until
> everyone has seen the SDK,but isn't it theoretically possible?
> I am keeping my fingers crossed!

Software is just lights dancing on a screen. Everything is possible.

They key question is whether there is a compelling business case for 
investing the time.


If I were RunRev, long before I jumped on the iPhone bandwaqon I'd make 
an engine that runs on the Windows-based handhelds.  Simpler API, and a 
much larger installed base.


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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Trevor DeVore]

On Feb 22, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:


PS: who has not an iPhone and thus can't test anything.


Perhaps you could try iPhoney .  
My brother Greg says it works OK and he used it a little while  
developing the iPhone interface to ScreenSteps Live. Though he says  
the best solution was when he hooked up his local development server  
to be accessible over wifi. Then he could just test using a real  
iPhone in his office without having to deploy to the public server  
first.


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Re: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Andre Garzia]

Hello Mark,

I don't think Frontier is OSA anymore. It used to be, I can't tell you
I am completelly sure, but I think that after Frontier 5 or something,
it droped being OSA and focused on the web + database + server part of
it.

I have frontier here and it is not listed on OSA...

The Javascript OSA is also abandoned. :-(

Andre


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> Hi Klaus,
>
>  No no, your no wasn't premature. Not completely at least. I assume
>  that not all languages in the list returned by the alternateLanguages
>  are useful.
>
>  There are a few OSA languages around, e.g. the JavaScript OSA
>  extension for Mac by LateNight software, which works great. Frontier
>  is another OSA language, which is available for Windows and Mac. Look
>  at  and 
>  for more info. If you decide to give it a try, please let me know if
>  you got it working with Rev.
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Re: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Andre,

Regarding Frontier, if that's true, it is a real shame.

If the JavaScript OSA extension project has been abandoned it must  
have happened very recently, since the universal binary is still  
available for download here .


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Op 22-feb-2008, om 16:53 heeft Andre Garzia het volgende geschreven:


Hello Mark,

I don't think Frontier is OSA anymore. It used to be, I can't tell you
I am completelly sure, but I think that after Frontier 5 or something,
it droped being OSA and focused on the web + database + server part of
it.

I have frontier here and it is not listed on OSA...

The Javascript OSA is also abandoned. :-(

Andre



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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Jim Sims]

On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:


iPhone javascript support has some nice features so you can build nice
webapps for it.

andre
PS: who has not an iPhone and thus can't test anything.



http://www.marketcircle.com/iphoney/

Not really an iPhone but seems to provide a 'frame' for your canvas  
with  "lights dancing across the screen"  ;-)


For appearance only, in a way.

"Looking for a way to see how your web creations will look on iPhone?  
Look no further. iPhoney gives you a pixel-accurate web browsing  
environment—powered by Safari—that you can use when developing web  
sites for iPhone. It's the perfect 320 by 480-pixel canvas for your  
iPhone development. And it's free."


sims

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Re: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Mark Wieder]

Mark-

> If you enter
>
> put the alternateLanguages

...on my Kubuntu linux box this returns an empty set...

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Re: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Dave]

Hi,

I don't have version 2.9 installed so can't test it. Does anyone know  
when 2.9 will be released?


All the Best
Dave

On 22 Feb 2008, at 14:31, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Dave,

If you enter

put the alternateLanguages

in the message box and press enter, you will see a list of  
supported alternative languages. On my PC, this included  
"SignedJavaScript" including the quotes. It looks like you can do


do "command.javascript.some" as (quote & SignedJavaScript & quote)

I haven't tested this.

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Op 22-feb-2008, om 15:24 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven:


Hi All,

I read the following in the RunRev Newsletter:





My question is:

Does it also support JavaScript? As in:

 do tJavaScript as "javascript"

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



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Re: RunRev 2.9 Scripting Question

[Klaus Major]

Hi Dave,


Hi,

I don't have version 2.9 installed so can't test it. Does anyone  
know when 2.9 will be released?


In the next couple of weeks :-)


All the Best
Dave



Best

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Re: Extracting text from PDF

[Richard Gaskin]

Kay C Lan wrote:


Probably no use to you Richard as I believe this is for personal use only as
it requires PDF2RTFService from Devon Systems:

http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware/services.html

...

So in Rev:

launch tFileName with "/yourHD/Applications/TextEdit.app"

the 8 line AppleScript looks like this:

1 tell application "TextEdit"
2  set theText to the text of document 1
3  make new document
4  set the path of document 1 to "/yourHD/Users/Shared/Untitled1.txt"
5  save document 1
6  close document 1
7  close document 1
8 end tell


Wonderful!  That's actually exactly what I need, as this is just a 
one-time tool for internal use only to help me build a textual index of 
a collection PDF files.  Thank you for the help -- much appreciated.


I should also thank Tom McGrath, who kindly sent me a fully functional 
Automator action to do that too.  It runs well but only in Leopard, and 
it simplifies what I need to do to be able to generate the paths 
dynamically in Rev, so the AppleScript solution is a better fit for this 
task.  Just the same, Tom I very much appreciate your taking the time to 
put that together.  You've always been such a very helpful member of 
this community.


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Nasty Colours and Patterns Bug in 2.9

[Gregory Lypny]

Hello Everyone,

I'm using Enterprise 2.9.0 dp 4, on an Intel-based iMac, and I'd like  
to know if any of you have encountered this bug.  If you try to change  
the colour of something (e.g., stack background, field gridlines)  
using the Colours and Patterns palette, you can only do it once. If  
you change your mind while the palette is still open and click on one  
of the colour or pattern buttons, everything will freeze.


Regards,

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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Terry Judd]

> If I were RunRev, long before I jumped on the iPhone bandwaqon I'd make
> an engine that runs on the Windows-based handhelds.  Simpler API, and a
> much larger installed base.

A Windows mobile version of Rev would be great (hey I think I even voted for
one in BugZilla about three years ago) but if I could only have one mobile
Rev platform then it would be for the iPhone/iPod Touch. These are the first
handheld devices that I've seen that, IMHO, have real potential in the
education sector. PDAs, whether Windows powered or not, have never taken off
among students but these just might!

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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Andres Martinez]

Hello

Sorry Richard, but I disagree.

I recently read (maybe from this same mailing list) that the iPhone  
has more penetration than Linux within internet-connected devices. If  
I remember correctly, measurement was taken from Google visitors.


If this is correct, the iPhone would be an important platform for  
RunRev.


Regards,
Andres Martinez
www.baKno.com

On Feb 22, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Terry Judd wrote:

If I were RunRev, long before I jumped on the iPhone bandwaqon I'd  
make
an engine that runs on the Windows-based handhelds.  Simpler API,  
and a

much larger installed base.
A Windows mobile version of Rev would be great (hey I think I even  
voted for
one in BugZilla about three years ago) but if I could only have one  
mobile
Rev platform then it would be for the iPhone/iPod Touch. These are  
the first
handheld devices that I've seen that, IMHO, have real potential in  
the
education sector. PDAs, whether Windows powered or not, have never  
taken off

among students but these just might!


It's a tough call.  The iPhone has captured some healthy mindshare,  
but like the Mac GUI it won't be long before its gestures (and more)  
are simply industry standard.


And for the other capabilities, competing vendors don't have far to  
go.  I got a Palm Centro for my gal, and it's quite a powerful  
little device.  And I have to say I prefer the tactile response of a  
fixed keypad over the where-did-I-just-press? virtual keypad of the  
iPhone. And ideal device may be more like the Sidekick: usable  
physical keypad with large screen display.  Add gestures and it's an  
iPhone-killer.


It'll be interesting to see whether Apple opens up the iPhone  
architecture faster than competing vendors add gestures.  But while  
that race is on, it would take RunRev some time to deliver an engine  
for either device.  With both the iPhone and competing alternatives  
in such a state of flux, the whole thing is quite a moving target,  
and in the meantime I really, really, really need independent column  
alignment and zero-width columns in Rev fields, as do a few thousand  
others.


So it may be best for Rev to keep focusing on honing the engine for  
the business tasks currently asked of it, while the Handheld  
Platform Wars play themselves out for at least another year.


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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Mark Talluto]

On Feb 22, 2008, at 2:26 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

So it may be best for Rev to keep focusing on honing the engine for  
the business tasks currently asked of it, while the Handheld  
Platform Wars play themselves out for at least another year.


Not to get in the way of other important features that Rev is lacking,  
I find spending some time on this technology to be quite worthy of  
Rev's time.  The clean flat screen would be a benefit for the apps I  
am creating.  It allows the entire screen to be made into any button  
configuration I want.  I don't even care about iPhone compatibility.   
I just need iTouch compatibility. I have a whole slew of apps that  
would fit that hardware architecture just fine.


With sockets, you have a networked, portable, affordable, mini apple  
computer for all kinds of embedded application uses.


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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Richard Gaskin]

Terry Judd wrote:


If I were RunRev, long before I jumped on the iPhone bandwaqon I'd make
an engine that runs on the Windows-based handhelds.  Simpler API, and a
much larger installed base.


A Windows mobile version of Rev would be great (hey I think I even voted for
one in BugZilla about three years ago) but if I could only have one mobile
Rev platform then it would be for the iPhone/iPod Touch. These are the first
handheld devices that I've seen that, IMHO, have real potential in the
education sector. PDAs, whether Windows powered or not, have never taken off
among students but these just might!


It's a tough call.  The iPhone has captured some healthy mindshare, but 
like the Mac GUI it won't be long before its gestures (and more) are 
simply industry standard.


And for the other capabilities, competing vendors don't have far to go. 
 I got a Palm Centro for my gal, and it's quite a powerful little 
device.  And I have to say I prefer the tactile response of a fixed 
keypad over the where-did-I-just-press? virtual keypad of the iPhone. 
And ideal device may be more like the Sidekick: usable physical keypad 
with large screen display.  Add gestures and it's an iPhone-killer.


It'll be interesting to see whether Apple opens up the iPhone 
architecture faster than competing vendors add gestures.  But while that 
race is on, it would take RunRev some time to deliver an engine for 
either device.  With both the iPhone and competing alternatives in such 
a state of flux, the whole thing is quite a moving target, and in the 
meantime I really, really, really need independent column alignment and 
zero-width columns in Rev fields, as do a few thousand others.


So it may be best for Rev to keep focusing on honing the engine for the 
business tasks currently asked of it, while the Handheld Platform Wars 
play themselves out for at least another year.


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Re: Nasty Colours and Patterns Bug in 2.9

[Devin Asay]

On Feb 22, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:


Hello Everyone,

I'm using Enterprise 2.9.0 dp 4, on an Intel-based iMac, and I'd  
like to know if any of you have encountered this bug.  If you try  
to change the colour of something (e.g., stack background, field  
gridlines) using the Colours and Patterns palette, you can only do  
it once. If you change your mind while the palette is still open  
and click on one of the colour or pattern buttons, everything will  
freeze.



Everything seems okay here, on Intel iMac, 10.4.11. I can change colo 
(u)rs and patterns at will with no problems.


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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OT: New threat to our way of life: giant pythons

[Mark Wieder]

No on-topic content, but it's Friday on my planet and I just had to share 
this gem:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/21/MNABV5PP3.DTL

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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Richard Gaskin]

Andres Martinez wrote:


Sorry Richard, but I disagree.

I recently read (maybe from this same mailing list) that the iPhone  
has more penetration than Linux within internet-connected devices. If  
I remember correctly, measurement was taken from Google visitors.


If this is correct, the iPhone would be an important platform for  
RunRev.


I think we're in agreement that the iPhone is an interesting platform, 
and of course there's no disputing hard data like the Linux market share 
stat you noted.


But the question here isn't a technical one, it's a business one, and 
like all such questions it focuses on ROI:


Before Rev was Rev it was MetaCard, and it was born on UNIX, with 
Windows and then Mac added later.  So a *NIX-compatible engine has 
always been around since the beginning.  The efforts with v2.9 to bring 
it up to date for the current Linux window managers are relatively 
trivial; the core of the engine has always run on *NIX.  Very little 
cost involved in Linux support at this time.


Moreover, I hadn't referred to Linux at all.  With mobile devices, the 
most useful comparison is to Windows Mobile.  While the comparison with 
Linux is interesting, it doesn't affect a business decision between 
iPhone and Windows Mobile.


The unknown here is the cost of porting the engine to whatever variant 
of OS X us running the iPhone, relative to the level of effort that 
would be needed to port it to Windows Mobile.  If the cost is favorable 
relative to market share, it's worth doing.  And maybe both are worth 
doing; I have neither the data on Rev's development costs nor the 
Windows Mobile market to make that decision for them, nor would they 
care if I did since I don't work there. :)


But I do know this:  Rev is already on the desktop, and to fully exploit 
the opportunities already before us we really need independent column 
alignment and zero-width columns in fields.  A lot of money is left on 
the table until those two features are in place.


So once we get those I'll happily explore other more exotic 
opportunities.  But in the meantime there's plenty to keep RunRev, and 
us, profitably busy while the mobile market sorts itself out.


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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Terry Judd]

On 23/2/08 9:26 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So it may be best for Rev to keep focusing on honing the engine for the
> business tasks currently asked of it, while the Handheld Platform Wars
> play themselves out for at least another year.

I agree that we need to play the waiting game for a while but hopefully not
for too long. Handhelds have been around for a while without ever really
taking off - but I reckon that's about to change. While I don't expect to
see an iPhone (or whatever) version of Rev anytime soon, I'd hope that
someone in the Rev engine room will at least take the time to investigate
Apple's SDK when it comes out. Yes the so-called web apps that we can
already develop for the iPhone are promising but if you look through the
hundreds that have already been published you'd struggle to find more than a
couple that were truly useful (a bit like Apple's dashboard and Yahoo's
widgets) - but real mini-desktop apps...

Terry...

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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Terry Judd]

On 23/2/08 10:20 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But I do know this:  Rev is already on the desktop, and to fully exploit
> the opportunities already before us we really need independent column
> alignment and zero-width columns in fields.  A lot of money is left on
> the table until those two features are in place.

Agreed - I also want these feature now, Rev for iPhone can wait until next
week ;)

Terry...

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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Martin Blackman]

silly question, but what does one do with a zero-width column ?

On 23/2/08 10:20 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > But I do know this:  Rev is already on the desktop, and to fully exploit
> > the opportunities already before us we really need independent column
> > alignment and zero-width columns in fields.  A lot of money is left on
> > the table until those two features are in place.
>
>
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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Stephen Barncard]

Hide data in-line in a column in a field row. Associating hidden data 
with a line can be very useful. Currently we have to hide any such 
data at the end of a row, out of view.




sqb



silly question, but what does one do with a zero-width column ?

On 23/2/08 10:20 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 > But I do know this:  Rev is already on the desktop, and to fully exploit
 > the opportunities already before us we really need independent column
 > alignment and zero-width columns in fields.  A lot of money is left on
 > the table until those two features are in place.

 >




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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Jim Ault]

I don't know about other programmers, but I would be able to display just
the columns I wanted for the user without having to parse a table of data.

For example:
All data is in one table of 15 columns.
Field "price" would use column 1,2,4,10
which could be 
[database id][inventory item num][description][price]

the user only needs to see
[description][price]
so all columns would be 0 width except those 2

If the user clicks, now you want to display the related data such as
[package size][in stock][shipping wt]
All this info has already been retrieved and Rev can use chunking to get it.

I am sure there are other uses.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 2/22/08 5:04 PM, "Martin Blackman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> silly question, but what does one do with a zero-width column ?
> 
> On 23/2/08 10:20 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> But I do know this:  Rev is already on the desktop, and to fully exploit
>>> the opportunities already before us we really need independent column
>>> alignment and zero-width columns in fields.  A lot of money is left on
>>> the table until those two features are in place.


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Re: RunRev for iPhone and iPod Touch

[Richard Gaskin]

Martin Blackman wrote:

silly question, but what does one do with a zero-width column ?


Not silly at all.  I got the idea from Ken Ray, and have been a strong 
advocate of it since.  But when I first heard about it, I had the same 
question. :)


Suppose you want to display records from a database in a multi-column 
list field.  You'll want to keep track of the ID field, but that's just 
noise to the end-user so you don't want to display it.


Currently, you'd have to parse out that column and store it in a 
separate field.  When the user clicks on a line in the list, you look up 
the corresponding line in the ID field to do whatever you need to do 
with that record.


But then you want to sort the list.  So you have to recombine the ID 
field with the rest of the list contents, do the sort, then parse them 
apart again for display.


Ugh.

Not the sort of thing I want to spend time in a seminar at a corporation 
when I'm trying to teach them how to use Rev.


With a zero-width column, you can effectively "hide" any data you want, 
yet still keep it bound to the rest of the display.  Simple, convenient, 
easy to learn.


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Re: Extracting text from PDF

[Kay C Lan]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Wonderful!  That's actually exactly what I need, as this is just a
> one-time tool for internal use only to help me build a textual index of
> a collection PDF files.  Thank you for the help -- much appreciated.
>
> So glad I could help. For the many insights and explanations I've gleaned
from your many many posts to this List, and your web-site, I feel rather
chuffed that I could give something back.

'one-time tool'

H, you might be surprised. I too was looking to solve one problem, all
be it an ongoing one. But once I got this to work and saw how quick and easy
it was to get PDF text into Rev, that tool has been used many many times:-)

Jim, enjoyed the blog re Annard. Please pass on to him that I too am very
very thankful for what Devon Technologies provides for free.
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