Button Basher
Thanks to Mark Swindell I have uploaded a new version of BUTTON BASHER.rev to revOnline that allows (on Macintosh systems) end-users to set their own colour gradients, [ Think addMax ] give it a go! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Recover from Temp?
Anyone know if it's possible to recover a stack from a (what I think is a) temp file? On OS X, doing a search for a file that has the name of a stack I'm currently working on yields several files named myFile.rev~ which I assume are temp files created during each save of the stack. Unfortunately, the Find dialog doesn't let me access these files, or show where they are stored. Is there any way to recover one of these files? I presume you have searched found the stack using Spotlight. Select Show All in the Spotlight menu to show the found items in a Finder window. Then selecting any of the found files will show the full path at the bottom of the Finder window. You can also right-click on any item and choose Copy and then paste it somewhere visible. HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Button Basher
Thanks to Mark Swindell I have uploaded a new version of BUTTON BASHER.rev to revOnline that allows (on Macintosh systems) end-users to set their own colour gradients, [ Think addMax ] give it a go! AND NOW with PRESETS! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev timeline stack?
Has anyone written a timeline stack/group? I have looked at the software about, which looks luscious (especially Bee docs timeline) but it doesn't allow notes etc to be added, or vertical timelines with information attached to left and right 'branches' of an event. I can't find my veteran HC 'CaseLiner stack anymore, which over 15 years ago did what I want, albeit not lusciously at all. (When I say 'timeline', I don't mean a Gantt chart, but the line with stalks and information flags, type of thing) Best David Glasgow ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Strange cursor behavior on several fields
Hi there all, I got some 'strange behavior' of the cursor after 'on mouseup': the cursor keeps jumping from field to field but not all fields. I tried to cope with it by setting the focus on one field but no result either. I don't see why this happens. Anyone knows? *on* mouseUp *if* the icon of me = 1217 *then* *set* the icon of me to 1223 *else* *set* the icon of me to 1217 *repeat* with x = 1 to 50 *put* tPrefix x into tVarName *if* the lockText of fld tVarName = true *then* *set* the lockText of fld tVarName to false *then* *set* the listBehavior of fld tVarName to false *then* *set* the showborder of fld tVarName to true *then* *set* the autohilite of fld tVarName to true *--focus on fld b1* *else* *set* the lockText of fld tVarName to true *set* the showborder of fld tVarName to false *set* the listBehavior of fld tVarName to true *set* the autohilite of fld tVarName to false *end* *if* *end* *repeat* *end* mouseUp Greetings, William ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ot] fractal graphic filter
received this link from yet another list (chaos theory, fractals, etc...). Fractalius plugin for photoshop extracts hidden fractal texture of an image. The effect is really cl! http://www.redfieldplugins.com/filterFractalius.htm Now I wonder what is the algorithm behind this... Any ideas ;-)? Best wishes Viktoras ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Button Basher
New version at revOnline with Metallic Buttons, and, Thanks to a suggestion by Bernd Niggemann, more responsive sliders for the User-Controlled Gradients and the Metallic Buttons. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Google goes mad?..
Here's the NY Times' report on the cause of and background to the problem: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/technology/01google.html?partner=permalinkexprod=permalink On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:13 AM, viktoras d. vikto...@ekoinf.net wrote: a few minutes ago I searched for runtime revolution, birds, webcam hints, climate change in google and each of these searches now is marked This site may harm your computer. So if I click the link it redirects to www.google.com/insterstitial page Warning- visiting this web site may harm your computer. Do you experience the same or is it any sort of local phenomenon ?.. eferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: chat and socket
Hi Serge, No, you don't do this with the idle handler. You could create a button, which which accepts connections on a partular port. As soon as data is detected, a message is sent to the button, which triggers a handler. For example: on mouseUp accept connections on port 1234 with message foo end mouseUp on foo theIP,theMsg beep put You recieved the message: quote theMsg quote from: theIP at the long time into fld Received Messages close socket theIP end foo On the client machine, you could create a stack with a button, containing the following script: constant kSock = 192.168.0.1:1234 on mouseUp open socket to kSock write hello to socket kSock close socket kSock end mouseUp This is a good way to start experimenting. Once this works, you could modify your scripts to keep the connection alive. You do this by reading from socket theIP with message foo again, instead of closing the socket. However, you need to make sure that the socket is closed if the client gives a signal to do so. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum We are always looking for new projects! Feel free to contact us to discuss your custom software project! On 1 feb 2009, at 14:18, Serge Brami wrote: I want to create une simple Chat application between 2 users in a LOCAL NETWORK For that I create 2 stacks one for each user I create fields to store the messages to be sent and to be received I create controls to Open and close socketsocket I can create control to write to socket (for sending messages) But How to receive the messages ? Yes i can create a button for reading from socket , but I want to receive automatically the messages that have been sent It would be possible using an Idle handler ( on idle ,read from socket -end idle) but this would slow down my application Is there another way Thanks for help Serge BRAMI ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Recover from Temp?
1. Command-F brings up a find application. 2. Use the first drop-down menu to select Name. 3. Use the second drop-down menu to select ends with. 4. Enter .rev~ (without the quotes) into the text field. 5. All the RR temp files littering your hard drives will now be listed. 6. Single-clicking on them should show their path at the bottom of the window. 7. The all show up as visible in my Finder. 8. Dock the ~ from the end of the file and they might open in RR. However, experience teaches me that recovery is normally a long, miserable procedure involving a text-editor (I like TextWrangler). sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
chat and socket
I want to create une simple Chat application between 2 users in a LOCAL NETWORK For that I create 2 stacks one for each user I create fields to store the messages to be sent and to be received I create controls to Open and close socketsocket I can create control to write to socket (for sending messages) But How to receive the messages ? Yes i can create a button for reading from socket , but I want to receive automatically the messages that have been sent It would be possible using an Idle handler ( on idle ,read from socket -end idle) but this would slow down my application Is there another way Thanks for help Serge BRAMI ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange cursor behavior on several fields
One tiny thought: tPrefix isn't initialized unless it's a script local variable. George On Feb 1, 2009, at 8:51 AM, William de Smet wrote: Hi there all, I got some 'strange behavior' of the cursor after 'on mouseup': the cursor keeps jumping from field to field but not all fields. I tried to cope with it by setting the focus on one field but no result either. I don't see why this happens. Anyone knows? *on* mouseUp *if* the icon of me = 1217 *then* *set* the icon of me to 1223 *else* *set* the icon of me to 1217 *repeat* with x = 1 to 50 *put* tPrefix x into tVarName *if* the lockText of fld tVarName = true *then* *set* the lockText of fld tVarName to false *then* *set* the listBehavior of fld tVarName to false *then* *set* the showborder of fld tVarName to true *then* *set* the autohilite of fld tVarName to true *--focus on fld b1* *else* *set* the lockText of fld tVarName to true *set* the showborder of fld tVarName to false *set* the listBehavior of fld tVarName to true *set* the autohilite of fld tVarName to false *end* *if* *end* *repeat* *end* mouseUp Greetings, William ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange cursor behavior on several fields
Thanks George, but yes the tPrefix is a local variable! William 2009/2/1 George C Brackett gbrack...@luceatlux.com One tiny thought: tPrefix isn't initialized unless it's a script local variable. George On Feb 1, 2009, at 8:51 AM, William de Smet wrote: Hi there all, I got some 'strange behavior' of the cursor after 'on mouseup': the cursor keeps jumping from field to field but not all fields. I tried to cope with it by setting the focus on one field but no result either. I don't see why this happens. Anyone knows? *on* mouseUp *if* the icon of me = 1217 *then* *set* the icon of me to 1223 *else* *set* the icon of me to 1217 *repeat* with x = 1 to 50 *put* tPrefix x into tVarName *if* the lockText of fld tVarName = true *then* *set* the lockText of fld tVarName to false *then* *set* the listBehavior of fld tVarName to false *then* *set* the showborder of fld tVarName to true *then* *set* the autohilite of fld tVarName to true *--focus on fld b1* *else* *set* the lockText of fld tVarName to true *set* the showborder of fld tVarName to false *set* the listBehavior of fld tVarName to true *set* the autohilite of fld tVarName to false *end* *if* *end* *repeat* *end* mouseUp Greetings, William ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Recover from Temp?
Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Anyone know if it's possible to recover a stack from a (what I think is a) temp file? On OS X, doing a search for a file that has the name of a stack I'm currently working on yields several files named myFile.rev~ which I assume are temp files created during each save of the stack. Unfortunately, the Find dialog doesn't let me access these files, or show where they are stored. Is there any way to recover one of these files? I presume you have searched found the stack using Spotlight. Select Show All in the Spotlight menu to show the found items in a Finder window. Then selecting any of the found files will show the full path at the bottom of the Finder window. You can also right-click on any item and choose Copy and then paste it somewhere visible. That's the problem. The filenames show up, but their icons are displayed as a dotted outline (no icon), no file path is displayed at the bottom of the Search window, and essentially there is no way I can find to access the files. When something goes wrong while saving a stack, Rev creates a backup file with the hope being one can recover work from the backup. I think these are the same files files, but when a save executes successfully, something is done to them so they don't show up normally in the Finder. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Recover from Temp?
In SuperCard you can open the file in a text editor or extract the text with a read from file command. It will be garbled, but you can reverse engineer it cause the object names and scripts are all there. Or does Rev protect the file contents better (are they in byte code? Randall On Feb 1, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Anyone know if it's possible to recover a stack from a (what I think is a) temp file? On OS X, doing a search for a file that has the name of a stack I'm currently working on yields several files named myFile.rev~ which I assume are temp files created during each save of the stack. Unfortunately, the Find dialog doesn't let me access these files, or show where they are stored. Is there any way to recover one of these files? I presume you have searched found the stack using Spotlight. Select Show All in the Spotlight menu to show the found items in a Finder window. Then selecting any of the found files will show the full path at the bottom of the Finder window. You can also right-click on any item and choose Copy and then paste it somewhere visible. That's the problem. The filenames show up, but their icons are displayed as a dotted outline (no icon), no file path is displayed at the bottom of the Search window, and essentially there is no way I can find to access the files. When something goes wrong while saving a stack, Rev creates a backup file with the hope being one can recover work from the backup. I think these are the same files files, but when a save executes successfully, something is done to them so they don't show up normally in the Finder. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Recover from Temp?
Recently, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: In SuperCard you can open the file in a text editor or extract the text with a read from file command. It will be garbled, but you can reverse engineer it cause the object names and scripts are all there. Or does Rev protect the file contents better (are they in byte code? Well, I would be happy to poke around in a file, but again, there are no visible files in the Finder and no file path presented in the Search window so there's no way I find to access the files. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Subject: Drawing a curved shape - 2nd attempt
For over 20 years I have been waiting and wanting an xtalk supporting
PS like graphics objects.
I sent some years ago a classic curve drawing stack to Rev I created.
I have seen others do it within xtalk but not smoothly however well
done. Teasing me all the more of the rich, cool possibilities.
There is much code for doing curve drawing on web, in textbooks, all
in public domain. Yes, there are knotty tech issues to work out for an
xtalk; yes, it must be done at the engine level. But it can be done I
would hope so.
I can only guess why (I have theories but I need to leave that
unsaid), but frankly it is a painful mystery to me why Rev is not
getting it. Please, prove me wrong Rev. Please.
Shalom, Andrew
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Re: Recover from Temp?
Scott Rossi wrote: When something goes wrong while saving a stack, Rev creates a backup file with the hope being one can recover work from the backup. I think these are the same files files, but when a save executes successfully, something is done to them so they don't show up normally in the Finder. You're right, these are temporary backup stacks. They are created in the same directory as the original stack, and when a save is successful they are supposed to be deleted from the hard drive. I've never seen dimmed icons like you describe so I'm not sure what's going on. But on a guess, maybe you could just ask Rev to open the file. If you see a dimmed icon in the Finder called test.rev~ you should be able to determine the file path either by checking the directory drop-down menu in the Finder window, or by assuming it is in the same folder as the original test.rev stack. Then in the message box: put there is a file /folder/folder/test.rev~ If that's true, then you should be able to open the file directly: go stack /folder/folder/test.rev~ And then you can do a Save As to a known location. If the result of the existence check is false, then the Finder is trying to display a file that no longer exists, and I'm not sure how that could happen. The backup file isn't supposed to exist, assuming the original save went smoothly, so that part's right. I wonder if the Finder directory has somehow become confused. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ot] fractal graphic filter
I wonder if they're cross platform. If they didn't say, probably not. PC only? 2009/2/1 viktoras d. vikto...@ekoinf.net received this link from yet another list (chaos theory, fractals, etc...). Fractalius plugin for photoshop extracts hidden fractal texture of an image. The effect is really cl! http://www.redfieldplugins.com/filterFractalius.htm Now I wonder what is the algorithm behind this... Any ideas ;-)? Best wishes Viktoras ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Barncard - San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ot] fractal graphic filter
On Feb 1, 2009, at 2:42 PM, stephen barncard wrote: I wonder if they're cross platform. If they didn't say, probably not. PC only? Yes, it's in their FAQ page, there are no plans to make Mac versions. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [ot] fractal graphic filter
The problem with fractal compression is that it like all compression schemes is usually applied indiscriminately to a whole file. A scheme that works best for some data doesnt always work best for others. The real breakthrough will involve an entropy metric that can be used to self optimize a scheme to regions and others other other regions... Setting up a topograhic mapping of compressions as directed by the morphology of that data. Do that and you can selectively and accurately reduce an image (or any other data set) to more general terms. For instance, if a filter were able to extract obects (humans, plants, buildings, furnature, infrastructure, land use, animals, equipment) into semantic primitives, it sould describe and store reality the way our brains do while we sleep. Achieving million-to-one compression ratios. -Original Message- From: stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 2/1/2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [ot] fractal graphic filter I wonder if they're cross platform. If they didn't say, probably not. PC only? 2009/2/1 viktoras d. vikto...@ekoinf.net received this link from yet another list (chaos theory, fractals, etc...)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Recover from Temp?
Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote: If you see a dimmed icon in the Finder called test.rev~ you should be able to determine the file path either by checking the directory drop-down menu in the Finder window, or by assuming it is in the same folder as the original test.rev stack. Then in the message box: put there is a file /folder/folder/test.rev~ If that's true, then you should be able to open the file directly: go stack /folder/folder/test.rev~ And then you can do a Save As to a known location. If the result of the existence check is false, then the Finder is trying to display a file that no longer exists, and I'm not sure how that could happen. The backup file isn't supposed to exist, assuming the original save went smoothly, so that part's right. I wonder if the Finder directory has somehow become confused. Thanks Jacque. Once again, there are NO files visible in the Finder. The way I can find the temp files is by using the Finder's search facility. In the results of the Search window, the file names are shown, along with the dotted-line icons, and NO file path at the bottom of the Window. It may not have come across in my posts, but I am quite familiar searching for files on a system. :-) I will try using Rev to recover a Rev file -- ironic, but appropriate. [ BTW, the only reason I even know about the temp files is years ago before there even was Revolution and OS X, I was able to recover a MetaCard project that mysteriously disappeared from my drive at 2AM, the morning before the project was due. I used Norton Utilities to search for any related files to my project, found the temp files (which are the result of every save of the file), and figured out I had an unintentional backup of several iterations of my file. Those temp files saved my butt. ] Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange cursor behavior on several fields
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:51 PM, William de Smet williamdes...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there all, I got some 'strange behavior' of the cursor after 'on mouseup': the cursor keeps jumping from field to field but not all fields. I tried to cope with it by setting the focus on one field but no result either. I don't see why this happens. Anyone knows? Is it just me (or Gmail) or does everyone get William's scripts with keywords surrounded by *? It makes it difficult to copy paste them for testing... Anyway, I am actually surprised that the script compiles runs, since I had no idea you could use multiple then's the way you do. It doesn't indent correctly int the script editor, but it does compile run and once I had un-commented the focus line, it seemed to work exactly as you wanted. Could it be that you have additional handlers (closeField, openField, exitField) that might be altering the focus? One suggestion would be to lock messages and lock screen at the start of the handler or loop. And if focus isn't working for you, try: select the text of fld b1 HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ot] fractal graphic filter
Randall- Sunday, February 1, 2009, 12:40:58 PM, you wrote: The problem with fractal compression is that it like all compression schemes is usually applied indiscriminately to a whole file. A scheme that works best for some data doesnt always work best for others. The real breakthrough will involve an entropy metric that can be used to self optimize a scheme to regions and others other other regions... Setting up a topograhic mapping of compressions as directed by the morphology of that data. Do that and you can selectively and accurately reduce an image (or any other data set) to more general terms. For instance, if a filter were able to extract obects (humans, plants, buildings, furnature, infrastructure, land use, animals, equipment) into semantic primitives, it sould describe and store reality the way our brains do while we sleep. Achieving million-to-one compression ratios. Sounds like you may be interested in what Numenta's up to... www.numenta.com -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange cursor behavior on several fields
Sarah Reichelt wrote: Is it just me (or Gmail) or does everyone get William's scripts with keywords surrounded by *? It makes it difficult to copy paste them for testing... I see it too. If I remember right, the asterisks are the ASCII way of indicating bold text, and my email client does show those keywords in bold. Since the list strips everything down to plain ASCII, maybe William is posting HTML text with bolded keywords? Anyway, I am actually surprised that the script compiles runs, since I had no idea you could use multiple then's the way you do. Me too, I noticed it right off. I was going to suggest removing those to see it it matters but I didn't get around to testing the script. I'm very surprised it works. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Recover from Temp?
On Feb 1, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Thanks Jacque. Once again, there are NO files visible in the Finder. The way I can find the temp files is by using the Finder's search facility. In the results of the Search window, the file names are shown, along with the dotted-line icons, and NO file path at the bottom of the Window. It may not have come across in my posts, but I am quite familiar searching for files on a system. :-) I tried searching for .rev~ files on my system and found none, so I'm not able to pilot my suggestion below, but if I saw what you describe, I'd ask myself why the system wasn't showing me everything I wanted to know? and I'd be reminded that it's a Unix system under the covers and the root of all evil in Unix (IMO) is permissions. So the first thing I'd do is enable the root user (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.5/en/11778.html ) and log in as root, do the same file search and see if the Finder is more forthcoming (be sure to disable the root user when you're done). I'd search for articles in MacFixit and similar places for ways to show invisible files. If you have BBedit or TextWrangler, use its edit invisible files capability to explore the directories where you think the files might be hiding (including the trash). Last time I upgraded my system, I got an extra hard drive so I could use TimeMachine for just these kinds of circumstances. It has saved my butt several times already! good luck, ]t ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ot] fractal graphic filter
No wonder I wake up with a headache. Cheers, Luis. Randall Reetz wrote: The problem with fractal compression is that it like all compression schemes is usually applied indiscriminately to a whole file. A scheme that works best for some data doesnt always work best for others. The real breakthrough will involve an entropy metric that can be used to self optimize a scheme to regions and others other other regions... Setting up a topograhic mapping of compressions as directed by the morphology of that data. Do that and you can selectively and accurately reduce an image (or any other data set) to more general terms. For instance, if a filter were able to extract obects (humans, plants, buildings, furnature, infrastructure, land use, animals, equipment) into semantic primitives, it sould describe and store reality the way our brains do while we sleep. Achieving million-to-one compression ratios. -Original Message- From: stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 2/1/2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [ot] fractal graphic filter I wonder if they're cross platform. If they didn't say, probably not. PC only? 2009/2/1 viktoras d. vikto...@ekoinf.net received this link from yet another list (chaos theory, fractals, etc...)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [ot] fractal graphic filter
Sorry. I love this stuff. Do you remember the indiana jones scene where the ninja guy is comming at him with swinging knives... And he just pulls out a gun and shoots him? That is what great ideas do. -Original Message- From: Luis l...@anachreon.co.uk To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 2/1/2009 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [ot] fractal graphic filter No wonder I wake up with a headache. Cheers, Luis. Randall Reetz wrote: The problem with fractal compression is that it like all compression schemes is usually applied indiscriminately to a whole file. A scheme that works best for some data doesnt always work best for others. The real breakthrough will involve an entropy metric that can be used to self optimize a scheme to regions and others other other regions... Setting up a topograhic mapping of compressions as directed by the morphology of that data. Do that and you can selectively and accurately reduce an image (or any other data set) to more general terms. For instance, if a filter were able to extract obects (humans, plants, buildings, furnature, infrastructure, land use, animals, equipment) into semantic primitives, it sould describe and store reality the way our brains do while we sleep. Achieving million-to-one compression ratios. -Original Message- From: stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 2/1/2009 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [ot] fractal graphic filter I wonder if they're cross platform. If they didn't say, probably not. PC only? 2009/2/1 viktoras d. vikto...@ekoinf.net received this link from yet another list (chaos theory, fractals, etc...)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Ich werde ab 02.02.2009 nicht im Büro sein. Ich kehre zurück am 02.03.2009. Ich werde Ihre Nachricht nach meiner Rückkehr beantworten. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Kollegen Horst Strohkirch, email: horst.strohki...@pdap.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Subject: Drawing a curved shape - 2nd attempt
Andrew Meit wrote: For over 20 years I have been waiting and wanting an xtalk supporting PS like graphics objects. Why must it be an xTalk specifically? I wouldn't write an OS in an xTalk, and for graphic-intensive work I'd be quick to consider Flex: http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/html/help.html?content=Drawing_Vector_Graphics_2.html There's a world of options available. Enjoy them all... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: Congratulations Pittsburgh Steelers Win the Superbowl
OT: Just had to express my joy in seeing my home team The Steelers win the Superbowl. It was a tough year for us and wow what a great game. Steelers win Superbowl 43 Six time Superbowl champions. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 220 Drake Road Pittsburgh, PA 15102 3mcgr...@comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Recover from Temp?
On Feb 1, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: The way I can find the temp files is by using the Finder's search facility. snip [ BTW, the only reason I even know about the temp files is years ago before there even was Revolution and OS X, I was able to recover a MetaCard project that mysteriously disappeared from my drive at 2AM, the morning before the project was due. I used Norton Utilities to search for any related files to my project, found the temp files (which are the result of every save of the file), and figured out I had an unintentional backup of several iterations of my file. Those temp files saved my butt. ] If I use: put specialFolderPath(Temporary) I get the following: /Users/jimsims/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems Maybe the file might be found in there? If you cannot actually see it or access it PERHAPS you might be able to copy it or read/write the file? Also, if I request a Temp file name by using: put the tempName I will get: /private/var/folders/-N/-NvTgUlu2RqtP++BYqw1dTI/ TemporaryItems/tmp3 Maybe I would be able to add the filename to that path and either copy or read/write the file? Clearly my suggestions are a shot in the dark - but that happens to be where you unfortunately are ;-) sims s...@ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours __ Opportunity by Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to I fix the color picker palette?
Aloha, Jim: Yep, you hit on that bug very nicely, you have exactly reproduced the problem we had for some time. I'm not sure when it went away... no one had any solutions...I just lived with it. finally, I can't remember which it was... either an upgrade to a new version of Rev And/Or and upgrade to the OS. I think it was a combination of both, because when I upgraded to 3.0 the problem did not go away, but when I upgraded to Leopard the problem *did* go away. But if you reverted back to 2.9, it recurred. But don't quote me on that, I'm terrible about doing a proper QA analysis when hitting these bugs in Rev. They are rarely show stoppers. I just closed the inspector each time I wanted to do another color setting. Sivakatirswami Andre.Bisseret wrote: Hi Jim, Seems similar to the problem I had last year. (see the thread Colors and patterns works once then freezes Rev in the april 2008 archives); Sivakatirswami had had the same problem. Following Sivakatirswami, I thought it was a problem in my system (Leopard), but found no idea on what it could be ! The problem disappeared some weeks later; I think it was when upgrading a new version of Leopard (not sure). Sorry, that not help you a lot ;-(( remains a mystery for me Best regards from Grenoble André Le 30 janv. 09 à 21:13, Jim Ault a écrit : All seemed to be well before yesterday. Rev 2.9/ OSX Leopard I was using Eric’s new trial stack, changed the row color once, success, then tried to change it again and got the following: Rev 2.9/ OSX Leopardbehaved the same way as if the palette were open, but none was visible. I was able to hit escape and get back control. Today I tried to change the bg color of a field and got the same freeze, only now there is no way to get control back. Quick testing shows that launch Rev new mainstack, 1 new field, use property inspector to change fill color = works color picker is visible center screen. property inspector still open, dbl-clk to change again = freeze, menus disabled(gray) and requires force quit The same for text fill color. revcolorchooser.rev shows the mod date July 2008 20K What should I be looking for? Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Subject: Drawing a curved shape - 2nd attempt
Oh yes, here come the attack dogs.Richard, everyone is welcome to their openion. Andrew has a deep and distinguished career in post script and xtalk and large scale software projects. Stop with the (very predictable) defensive attack everytime anyone cares enough about xtalk to offer a wish list or a considdered and deeply experienced openion. Why would somone want a curves in rev or some other xtalk IDE they work in? Why wouldnt they??? Going out to another media editor and bringing caned constructions into xtalk will never give you the kind of live user interaction (under dynamic code control in real time) that you would have if it was a native function. So if you really want to protect the image of rev do so as a big person who is big enough to accept criticism... Maybe even freely and openly invite it! Rev is certainly good enough to live within an active and critical market and user community. Your attacks are pompus and hurtful and have a tendancy to quiet anyone who might not be so bold and self assured as andrew. And there is no reason. You are a smart man richard. Use it to break down the walls. Lets bring everyone and all their opinions along on this wonderful journey. There is room for change... Especially when it is 20 years past due. randall -Original Message- From: Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 2/1/2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Drawing a curved shape - 2nd attempt Andrew Meit wrote: For over 20 years I have been waiting and wanting an xtalk supporting PS like graphics objects. Why must it be an xTalk specifically? I wouldn't write an OS in an xTalk, and for graphic-intensive work I'd be quick to consider Flex: http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/html/help.html?content=Drawing_Vector_Graphics_2.html There's a world of options available. Enjoy them all... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Subject: Drawing a curved shape - 2nd attempt
Where in blazes did this come from? Did I miss a post? Attack dogs? The only confrontational words in this thread seem to be yours. sqb 2009/2/1 Randall Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com Oh yes, here come the attack dogs.Richard, everyone is welcome to their openion. Andrew has a deep and distinguished career in post script and xtalk and large scale software projects. Stop with the (very predictable) defensive attack everytime anyone cares enough about xtalk to offer a wish list or a considdered and deeply experienced openion. Why would somone want a curves in rev or some other xtalk IDE they work in? Why wouldnt they??? Going out to another media editor and bringing caned constructions into xtalk will never give you the kind of live user interaction (under dynamic code control in real time) that you would have if it was a native function. So if you really want to protect the image of rev do so as a big person who is big enough to accept criticism... Maybe even freely and openly invite it! Rev is certainly good enough to live within an active and critical market and user community. Your attacks are pompus and hurtful and have a tendancy to quiet anyone who might not be so bold and self assured as andrew. And there is no reason. You are a smart man richard. Use it to break down the walls. Lets bring everyone and all their opinions along on this wonderful journey. There is room for change... Especially when it is 20 years past due. randall -Original Message- From: Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 2/1/2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Drawing a curved shape - 2nd attempt Andrew Meit wrote: For over 20 years I have been waiting and wanting an xtalk supporting PS like graphics objects. Why must it be an xTalk specifically? I wouldn't write an OS in an xTalk, and for graphic-intensive work I'd be quick to consider Flex: http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/html/help.html?content=Drawing_Vector_Graphics_2.html There's a world of options available. Enjoy them all... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Barncard - San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Subject: Drawing a curved shape - 2nd attempt
Randall Reetz wrote: Andrew Meit wrote: For over 20 years I have been waiting and wanting an xtalk supporting PS like graphics objects. Why must it be an xTalk specifically? I wouldn't write an OS in an xTalk, and for graphic-intensive work I'd be quick to consider Flex: http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/html/help.html?content=Drawing_Vector_Graphics_2.html There's a world of options available. Enjoy them all... Oh yes, here come the attack dogs.Richard, everyone is welcome to their openion. Andrew has a deep and distinguished career in post script and xtalk and large scale software projects. Stop with the (very predictable) defensive attack everytime anyone cares enough about xtalk to offer a wish list or a considdered and deeply experienced openion. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? attack dog? Please. I'll bet Andrew's laughing as hard reading your post as I am. I know Andrew rather well, spanning decades; I've had many a conversation with him on the phone and in email, and have even hired him to help me with a project. I trust Andrew knows me well enough to know that my question was in earnest. Andrew has some significant accomplishments under his belt over the years, and as much as he shares the love of xTalks that brings us all to this list, he's also quite capable of learning anything else he puts his mind to. So my question was as simple as I'd written it. And if you don't mind letting Andrew answer his own questions, I'm still interested to hear what he has to say on this. Why would somone want a curves in rev or some other xtalk IDE they work in? Why wouldnt they??? Of course they would. Me too. In fact, I'm the only one who's voted for Andrew's request for that feature: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 I also had an email exchange with Kevin about this very feature just last week. Even without your supporting votes for Andrew's request, I'll bet you wouldn't mind seeing it in Rev too. But where you and I part ways is the expectation that Kevin will -- or even can -- deliver everything everyone wants exactly when they want it. Sure, I'll keep my votes in place and would love to see it in Rev. But while I wait for Kevin to get around to that and a number of other things I'm looking for, I owe it to myself to see what other tools may give me what I'm looking for. For vector graphics (and table objects and quite a number of other things people have been asking for), Flex offers some good solutions right now for those who need to ship. Like any tool, it's not without its warts. But it's proven itself to be more than an interesting experiment, and worthy of consideration for a person as astute as Andrew, esp. given his strong background in vector op codes (he's done some amazing work with fonts and Fontographer). Lets bring everyone and all their opinions along on this wonderful journey. Could that include me too? Randall, you're relatively new to this list, yet have already had a surprising number of social complexities here. Please, feel free to slow down and relax, presume good intentions from your colleagues here and enjoy the friendly camaraderie that characterizes the exchanges on list. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Redirect strategies for coping with IE7
Many thanks to Brian, Viktoras, and the others who chimed in on this. Yes, the more I look into this the more it looks like mod_rewrite is the answer. In fact, it looks like Rewrite is the answer to a great many things, even some questions I'd never asked before. :) Deep subject, much reading to do, but with your helpful pointers it looks like I'll be able to do what I need and more -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Subject: Drawing a curved shape - 2nd attempt
Randall, There's nothing wrong with presenting a wish list. The problem is, it seems like every few weeks you have an extensive set of must-haves to share and don't want to hear that you might have to do more work than ranting about how they should all be native xTalk commands. First you wanted a game server - but apparently didn't want to deal with sockets (even though Rev has a very nice socket API). Then you wanted file system events built in to Rev. Now you seem to want Flex / Flash feature sets embedded into Rev. Rev is a great tool, but it's not for everything and it will not be able to encompass every project you dream up with high level commands. Adding a curve object, a good idea. But then you put something out that looked more like a list of demands, filled with every buzz word you could think of around the subject. That's not constructive, and it's not insightful. Slo down my friend (and yes, we are ALL friends here including us =)). Discuss things. Keep the name calling for some other list. I would suggest looking into constructive critism if you want people to accept it. Curve object. Good idea. Let's focus there. I believe Richard just pointed out that it's a good idea to consider multiple tools. Right now I am having a blast becoming proficient in Flash / ActionScript 3. There are many things I can do in Flash that I don't believe there is any chance whatsoever of ever doing in Rev, and vice versa. They are completely different paradigms. Likewise, I'm glad I know MySQL well, because if I was trying to run a large scale website with Rev as my database I'd be out of business. I'm also running ElectroServer, which is a high performance gaming server written in Java. If I had to code it from scratch in Rev, it could be a nightmare and I would probably never catch up with what is already out there. You see, every project you've been wishing to do on this list, I could start tomorrow because I have many tools at my disposal. So I would say Richard's suggestion was pretty good advice. And yes, I'm actively using Rev as part of my projects as well =). Oh yes, here come the attack dogs.Richard, everyone is welcome to their openion. Andrew has a deep and distinguished career in post script and xtalk and large scale software projects. Stop with the (very predictable) defensive attack everytime anyone cares enough about xtalk to offer a wish list or a considdered and deeply experienced openion. Why would somone want a curves in rev or some other xtalk IDE they work in? Why wouldnt they??? Going out to another media editor and bringing caned constructions into xtalk will never give you the kind of live user interaction (under dynamic code control in real time) that you would have if it was a native function. So if you really want to protect the image of rev do so as a big person who is big enough to accept criticism... Maybe even freely and openly invite it! Rev is certainly good enough to live within an active and critical market and user community. Your attacks are pompus and hurtful and have a tendancy to quiet anyone who might not be so bold and self assured as andrew. And there is no reason. You are a smart man richard. Use it to break down the walls. Lets bring everyone and all their opinions along on this wonderful journey. There is room for change... Especially when it is 20 years past due. randall ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
