Mac Virus - Reliable source
Mac Users, Mac must be garnering enough market share to attract the attention of the bad guys. This notice came to me via email from PC Tools, who are the manufacturers of Spyware Doctor, Registry Mechanic, etc. A legitimate company with very legitimate anti-virus software for PC, and I guess now for Mac: https://email.pctools.com/servlet/website/PersonalizedForm?iJmslE0okLHml_fHJ _8hm_uLm_TCTX_9NlmhtLkl_vgspgLE.26f7beEINMFoHPHppDkkDJht Keep yourself covered from the latest threats Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini Links generated by VisiTrieve. Get VisiTrieve Free Today at http://visitrieve.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hi Jacqueline, there was no user system, so I created it and set it to the owner of my app. But without result. When starting my app with another standard user, the icon zooms for a moment and then nothing happens, no launch. Any other idea? Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von J. Landman Gay Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 01:02 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hi Jacqueline, not beeing a Mac user, I don't know where and how to set the owner. Can I do it with the GUI, or do I have to use the terminal? Could you give me a hint (OS X 10.5)? You can use the UI. Select your app, choose Get Info from the File menu in the Finder, and in the last pane at the bottom are the owner and permissions settings. Change the owner to system. (You may have to unlock the padlock first before it will allow you to change the owner.) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac Virus - Reliable source
The only viruses/worms so far for Mac OS X have all been written by manufacturers of anti-virus software trying to demonstrate that their products are necessary. And even then, they all relied on people entering their user name password when requested by some unknown piece of software, and none of them have ever propagated in the Mac community. Instead of paying for anti-virus software, I would recommend just being cautious and checking any time you are asked for your password. Cheers, Sarah On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Jim Bufalini j...@visitrieve.com wrote: Mac Users, Mac must be garnering enough market share to attract the attention of the bad guys. This notice came to me via email from PC Tools, who are the manufacturers of Spyware Doctor, Registry Mechanic, etc. A legitimate company with very legitimate anti-virus software for PC, and I guess now for Mac: https://email.pctools.com/servlet/website/PersonalizedForm?iJmslE0okLHml_fHJ _8hm_uLm_TCTX_9NlmhtLkl_vgspgLE.26f7beEINMFoHPHppDkkDJht Keep yourself covered from the latest threats Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini Links generated by VisiTrieve. Get VisiTrieve Free Today at http://visitrieve.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.dewrote: Hi Jacqueline, there was no user system, so I created it and set it to the owner of my app. But without result. When starting my app with another standard user, the icon zooms for a moment and then nothing happens, no launch. Any other idea? Have you tried Repairing Permissions? HD/Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility Start it up, select the HD and click the Repair Disk Permissions button. It may take a while (10 min or more depending on how many GB of data you have and how long it's been since it's been run.) After it is finished, review the output to see if your application was named as needing repair. If it was, it's probably worth while running the repair again to confirm it doesn't come up again. For reference, this sounds very much like a problem Peter Brigham suffered with his Gutenberg Reader stack back at the end of Feb. If you have the facilities to search the List archives I suggest you take a look - search Gutenberg Reader. After some 20 posts Sarah Reichalt provided the solution; seems the standalone had been made on Win and turned into a ZIP file, then sent to Macs. This created the odd permissions error. Sarah suggested turning the standalone into a DMG file for Mac users. Once this was done it solved the permissions errors a few Mac users were experiencing. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
How to create a UTF-8 XML file with rev?
Hello, I can't read/write german Umlaute in a XML file with rev. Trying to write, they are just ignored, trying to read I get a parsing error input is no proper UTF-8 How can I create a XML file with a special character set, like UTF-8 or ISO-8859-1? When creating a XML file with revCreateXMLTree() the header ?xml version=1.0? is created by rev and I can't define any character set, which should create a header like: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=ISO-8859-1? What am I missing? Thanks for any hint Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Controlling PowerPoint From Within Runtime Revolution
This whole set of posts seems somehow redundant when the whole Power Point thing can be handled within Runtime Revolution itself. Making a presentation that is 'Power-Point-like' in Runtime Revolution is extremely easy; and once that's done nobody has to rely on an external program and how Runtime Revolution is going to control it. And, by-the-by; the average presentation in RR takes far less RAM than MS Powerpoint or OO Impress; a standalone also means that the end-user doesn't have to have any of these heavy great programs clogging up their arteries. This may seem like an incredibly obvious point (and it should be); but I wonder if the good folks in Edinburgh while concentrating on how their product can play databases and suck information in from the Internet, hither and yon are forgetting RR's other, possibly more prosaic capabilities which are also extremely useful; and if used, would mean there was no real need for questions of the sort: How do I control an external slide-show from RR? sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: How to create a UTF-8 XML file with rev?
Moin Malte, great help! I didn't knew, that I can create my own header... Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Malte Brill Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 11:30 An: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Betreff: Re: How to create a UTF-8 XML file with rev? Moin Tiemo, this should get you started (mind linewraps): put encodeUtf8(?xml version= quote 1.0 quote encoding= quote UTF-8 quote ?request name= quote pAction quote /request) into tData put revCreateXMLTree(tData, true, true, false) into tId function decodeUtf8 pContents local tContents put unidecode(uniencode(pContents,UTF8),english) into tContents if chartonum(the last char of tContents)=10 then delete the last char of tContents return tContents end decodeUtf8 function encodeUtf8 pContents return unidecode(uniencode(pContents, english), UTF8) end encodeUtf8 Make sure to encodeUTF8 when you put your data into the XML and to decode when you retrieve it. Hth, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to create a UTF-8 XML file with rev?
Moin Tiemo, this should get you started (mind linewraps): put encodeUtf8(?xml version= quote 1.0 quote encoding= quote UTF-8 quote ?request name= quote pAction quote /request) into tData put revCreateXMLTree(tData, true, true, false) into tId function decodeUtf8 pContents local tContents put unidecode(uniencode(pContents,UTF8),english) into tContents if chartonum(the last char of tContents)=10 then delete the last char of tContents return tContents end decodeUtf8 function encodeUtf8 pContents return unidecode(uniencode(pContents, english), UTF8) end encodeUtf8 Make sure to encodeUTF8 when you put your data into the XML and to decode when you retrieve it. Hth, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev: Also a Founder
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Mark Smith li...@futilism.com wrote: I'll be perhaps the first to announce an actual live(ish) site on on-rev - it's my 'real' job site - this is my cv (basically lists of people I've worked with). The Bay City Rollers... When I digitized all our albums my wife asked me why the Rollin' album didn't get done. I bought a brand new turntable (2006) specifically for the job, but I told her it was incompatible with the album ;-) Nice on-Rev touch with the randomness, wouldn't want the Bay City Rollers at the top all the time ;-))) Of course given the heritage of this List, I should probably be careful not to offend the musical heritage of the Scots, so to make it clear, of a similar vintage, the Scott I prefer is Bon, he and his Scot mate Angus Young doing a lot more to make my toes tap and vocal chords join in for the chorus. Angus' older brother George also clearly talented. So I hope I haven't had my founding member invitation revoked ;-) OK Richmond, I guess that was an open invitation.. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hi Phil, it says: permission denied, exited with exit code:1 any idea, why the permission is denied if I have read - write to everyone? Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Phil Jimmieson Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 11:40 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Hi Tiemo, can you have a look at the console application (in your applications/ utilities folder) - and check for all messages or console messages to see if there's any information about why your rev app didn't start up? It might give a hint about what's happening. On 17 Apr 2009, at 10:16, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello Kay, that really sounds almost the same as Peters case, but seems not to be. I run the check and the repair permissions, but my app wasn't even listed. I build my standalone on Win, and took it from the network onto my Mac, where I created a DMG. So no zip is involved. But it must be a permission thing, because with my admin user it runs fine, it just doesn't launches with a standard user, though I now put a system user as the owner and gave read-write to everyone. Any other idea? Thanks Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 3.5 Dictionary--User contributed notes!
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu wrote: So far entries are few (or maybe they are more abundant than I think, but there is no obvious way to search for terms that have user comments added. See enhancement request http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7926 .) Looks like there is a more specific request: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7958 You might want to combine the two so any votes get combined. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Controlling PowerPoint From Within Runtime Revolution
Hiya, Looks like you're composing messages in HTML (using Word as the email editor?). Change it to Rich Text or Plain Text, that should remove the double- spacing. Cheers, Luis. On 16 Apr 2009, at 21:40, mfstuart wrote: Man I hate it when Outlook does this. Why does Outlook double space the lines? It does this whether I create the email body in Notepad (and copy the text into Outlook) or directly in Outlook. Anybody know how to fix this ugliness in Outlook? Regards, Mark Stuart Mark Stuart wrote: Hi John, I just built a stack to try what you are doing. I also downloaded and installed MS Powerpoint Viewer. I put a field on the stack with the name Filename. In a button, I used the following script to open the powerpoint file using the viewer. on mouseUp if fld Filename is not empty then put fld Filename into thePPS launch thePPS with C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office \PowerPoint Viewer\pptview.exe else answer no file selected end if end mouseUp In the field I typed: C:\temp\MyPresentation.pps. This file I created in MS Powerpoint, saving it as a pps file type. It launched the power point. I ran the slide show. It quit and the focus returned to where I launched it, the RunRev application. Where ever you launch the slide show from, the focus should return to its originating place. Unless of course, the user goes to another opened application. Then the focus may not return. HTH you, Mark Stuart Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/ emailsystems___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Controlling- PowerPoint-From-Within-Runtime-Revolution-tp23085075p23086006.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hello Tiemo, Another idea: put the app into the folder users/AllUsers (or such like that; in German: Benutzer/ Für alle Benutzer) All Users can start the app from there;. Greetings Richard. -- From: Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.de Subject: AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: 13644dc4c0a74defa06593452f323...@kestner.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Jacqueline, there was no user system, so I created it and set it to the owner of my app. But without result. When starting my app with another standard user, the icon zooms for a moment and then nothing happens, no launch. Any other idea? Thanks Tiemo -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM, R. Hillen m...@richard-hillen.de wrote: Another idea: put the app into the folder users/AllUsers (or such like that; in German: Benutzer/ Für alle Benutzer) All Users can start the app from there;. This might also appear as: Hard Disc/Users/Shared If you Get Info on the Shared folder it should say: system,wheel,everyone have Read Write permissions. Place the app in this Shared Folder, Get Info for the Shared folder and click the cog and apply the permissions to everything inside. Get Info for your app and see if the permissions have been amended. If it then works, try placing it back in the Hard Disc/Applications Folder. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev: Also a Founder
I'm not quite sure how many scots consider the Bay City Rollers part in their musical heritage to be, um, significant...:) Mark Smith On 17 Apr 2009, at 10:55, Kay C Lan wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Mark Smith li...@futilism.com wrote: I'll be perhaps the first to announce an actual live(ish) site on on-rev - it's my 'real' job site - this is my cv (basically lists of people I've worked with). The Bay City Rollers... When I digitized all our albums my wife asked me why the Rollin' album didn't get done. I bought a brand new turntable (2006) specifically for the job, but I told her it was incompatible with the album ;-) Nice on-Rev touch with the randomness, wouldn't want the Bay City Rollers at the top all the time ;-))) Of course given the heritage of this List, I should probably be careful not to offend the musical heritage of the Scots, so to make it clear, of a similar vintage, the Scott I prefer is Bon, he and his Scot mate Angus Young doing a lot more to make my toes tap and vocal chords join in for the chorus. Angus' older brother George also clearly talented. So I hope I haven't had my founding member invitation revoked ;-) OK Richmond, I guess that was an open invitation.. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Did you try selecting the apply to enclosed items item from the popup menu with the cog icon in the GetInfo window? Terry... On 17/04/09 7:57 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.de wrote: Hi Phil, it says: permission denied, exited with exit code:1 any idea, why the permission is denied if I have read - write to everyone? Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Phil Jimmieson Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 11:40 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Hi Tiemo, can you have a look at the console application (in your applications/ utilities folder) - and check for all messages or console messages to see if there's any information about why your rev app didn't start up? It might give a hint about what's happening. On 17 Apr 2009, at 10:16, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello Kay, that really sounds almost the same as Peters case, but seems not to be. I run the check and the repair permissions, but my app wasn't even listed. I build my standalone on Win, and took it from the network onto my Mac, where I created a DMG. So no zip is involved. But it must be a permission thing, because with my admin user it runs fine, it just doesn't launches with a standard user, though I now put a system user as the owner and gave read-write to everyone. Any other idea? Thanks Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev: Also a Founder
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Mark Smith li...@futilism.com wrote: I'm not quite sure how many scots consider the Bay City Rollers part in their musical heritage to be, um, significant...:) Well they were significant to my wife. 'Woody, Woody, WOODY,Arrggh...' ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hi Kay, no parental control is activated. Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Kay C Lan Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 12:38 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.dewrote: Any other idea? Are there any Parental Controls set? Go to: System Preferences = Accounts For the Account in question, select it, then select the Open Parental Controls... button. See if your app is listed. If my fading memory is correct, I think newly added apps are not automatically added to Accounts that have Parental Control features engaged - if no Parental Control features are used the apps should be available to all uses if placed in the system wide Application Folder. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hello Richard, noop same effect at that location Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von R. Hillen Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 13:00 An: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Betreff: Re: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Hello Tiemo, Another idea: put the app into the folder users/AllUsers (or such like that; in German: Benutzer/ Für alle Benutzer) All Users can start the app from there;. Greetings Richard. -- From: Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.de Subject: AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: 13644dc4c0a74defa06593452f323...@kestner.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Jacqueline, there was no user system, so I created it and set it to the owner of my app. But without result. When starting my app with another standard user, the icon zooms for a moment and then nothing happens, no launch. Any other idea? Thanks Tiemo -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Opinions about On-Rev
I would like some opinions on the new on-Rev offer.
This offer is very timely as I've been telling myself I 'need' to have a web
presence. ('need' as in my wife needs a new dress or I need a new gadget). I
guess I'm a bit like Marian in this regard, a bit of a neophyte when it
comes to cgi, php etc; so as a Mac user MobileMe probably sounds like the
web solution.
But having said that, I do consider MobileMe more for my mother than for me.
I do dabble in mySQL and can have it work across a LAN, and have even tested
it over a WAN, but without a hosting service a one off test was all it was.
I know that a few here recommend Dreamhost. At the moment the only
deficiencies that I've noted from a quick scan is that on-Rev doesn't list
QuickTime/RealAudio support, but I get the impression that such holes will
be filled rapidly.
I'm probably not the prime target for on-Rev, but I don't consider myself
the prime target for Revolution either. I love Rev and I can see that if
on-Rev can minimise the need for PHP, CGI and javascript knowledge, I could
really enjoy working in on-Rev as well.
So I was wondering if some kind List members would share their thoughts on
the pros and cons, the haves and have-nots - excluding cost as I don't want
this to be an issue, ie if you can't afford on-Rev right now but think it's
a great offer I'd like to know why, just the same as if you can afford
on-Rev but aren't interested I'd like to know why. I'm looking more at the
personal/family end of the spectrum rather than the business perspective.
Will on-Rev = Dreamhost? If not, why not. What will on-Rev provide that I'll
never get from MobileMe and what will MobileMe provide that I'll never be
able to do with on-Rev?
Thanks in advance for all those that share their thoughts.
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AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hello Kay, that really sounds almost the same as Peters case, but seems not to be. I run the check and the repair permissions, but my app wasn't even listed. I build my standalone on Win, and took it from the network onto my Mac, where I created a DMG. So no zip is involved. But it must be a permission thing, because with my admin user it runs fine, it just doesn't launches with a standard user, though I now put a system user as the owner and gave read-write to everyone. Any other idea? Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Kay C Lan Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 10:22 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.dewrote: Hi Jacqueline, there was no user system, so I created it and set it to the owner of my app. But without result. When starting my app with another standard user, the icon zooms for a moment and then nothing happens, no launch. Any other idea? Have you tried Repairing Permissions? HD/Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility Start it up, select the HD and click the Repair Disk Permissions button. It may take a while (10 min or more depending on how many GB of data you have and how long it's been since it's been run.) After it is finished, review the output to see if your application was named as needing repair. If it was, it's probably worth while running the repair again to confirm it doesn't come up again. For reference, this sounds very much like a problem Peter Brigham suffered with his Gutenberg Reader stack back at the end of Feb. If you have the facilities to search the List archives I suggest you take a look - search Gutenberg Reader. After some 20 posts Sarah Reichalt provided the solution; seems the standalone had been made on Win and turned into a ZIP file, then sent to Macs. This created the odd permissions error. Sarah suggested turning the standalone into a DMG file for Mac users. Once this was done it solved the permissions errors a few Mac users were experiencing. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hi Phil, thank you for your extensive explanation. In opposite to your tutorial my files have two different permission setting: drwxrwxrwx (leading d ?) e.g. the bundle.app -rwxrw-rw- e.g. The execute of my app Because of the different number of chars to your advice I didn't executed the sudo command. Any idea? Thanks Tiemo You will hopefully now see all the individual elements that make up your app, and the permissions related to each one. On the app I had all were set to rwxrwxrwx - which gives all permissions to everyone. If yours doesn't have that you can set it as follows: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hi Tiemo, can you have a look at the console application (in your applications/ utilities folder) - and check for all messages or console messages to see if there's any information about why your rev app didn't start up? It might give a hint about what's happening. On 17 Apr 2009, at 10:16, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello Kay, that really sounds almost the same as Peters case, but seems not to be. I run the check and the repair permissions, but my app wasn't even listed. I build my standalone on Win, and took it from the network onto my Mac, where I created a DMG. So no zip is involved. But it must be a permission thing, because with my admin user it runs fine, it just doesn't launches with a standard user, though I now put a system user as the owner and gave read-write to everyone. Any other idea? Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Kay C Lan Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 10:22 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.dewrote: Hi Jacqueline, there was no user system, so I created it and set it to the owner of my app. But without result. When starting my app with another standard user, the icon zooms for a moment and then nothing happens, no launch. Any other idea? Have you tried Repairing Permissions? HD/Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility Start it up, select the HD and click the Repair Disk Permissions button. It may take a while (10 min or more depending on how many GB of data you have and how long it's been since it's been run.) After it is finished, review the output to see if your application was named as needing repair. If it was, it's probably worth while running the repair again to confirm it doesn't come up again. For reference, this sounds very much like a problem Peter Brigham suffered with his Gutenberg Reader stack back at the end of Feb. If you have the facilities to search the List archives I suggest you take a look - search Gutenberg Reader. After some 20 posts Sarah Reichalt provided the solution; seems the standalone had been made on Win and turned into a ZIP file, then sent to Macs. This created the odd permissions error. Sarah suggested turning the standalone into a DMG file for Mac users. Once this was done it solved the permissions errors a few Mac users were experiencing. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Jimmieson p...@liverpool.ac.uk (UK) 0151 795 4236 Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street Liverpool L69 3BX http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/ I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this ointment. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Controlling PowerPoint From Within Runtime Revolution
Richmond, Point well taken. My program allows the user to show slideshows, create notes, etc, etc, etc. in a much simpler way than PowerPoint. Frustration with PowerPoint was the main reason I started writing my program in the first place, and I personally never use it. However, there are a number of reasons my customers give for wanting this feature: 1. They have invested a great deal of time creating PowerPoint files and don't want to redo them. 2. We live in a powerPoint world. My users are often given a PowerPoint file from their denomination or a guest speaker who brings a PowerPoint file that they would like to project. Given enough time, we could convert these files, but when you are handed a file ten minutes before a church service, you can't always do the conversion. 3. Some people have learned to use PowerPoint and don't want to learn another system even though it may be much simpler. 4. So, my user's buy my software to do what it does best, but still want the ability to show PowerPoint files from within my app. In short - The customer is always right - even when they're wrong !!! ; ) John On Apr 17, 2009, at 5:27 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: This whole set of posts seems somehow redundant when the whole Power Point thing can be handled within Runtime Revolution itself. Making a presentation that is 'Power-Point-like' in Runtime Revolution is extremely easy; and once that's done nobody has to rely on an external program and how Runtime Revolution is going to control it. And, by-the-by; the average presentation in RR takes far less RAM than MS Powerpoint or OO Impress; a standalone also means that the end-user doesn't have to have any of these heavy great programs clogging up their arteries. This may seem like an incredibly obvious point (and it should be); but I wonder if the good folks in Edinburgh while concentrating on how their product can play databases and suck information in from the Internet, hither and yon are forgetting RR's other, possibly more prosaic capabilities which are also extremely useful; and if used, would mean there was no real need for questions of the sort: How do I control an external slide-show from RR? sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hi Terry, yes I did without success Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Terry Judd Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 12:05 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Did you try selecting the apply to enclosed items item from the popup menu with the cog icon in the GetInfo window? Terry... On 17/04/09 7:57 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.de wrote: Hi Phil, it says: permission denied, exited with exit code:1 any idea, why the permission is denied if I have read - write to everyone? Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Phil Jimmieson Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 11:40 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Hi Tiemo, can you have a look at the console application (in your applications/ utilities folder) - and check for all messages or console messages to see if there's any information about why your rev app didn't start up? It might give a hint about what's happening. On 17 Apr 2009, at 10:16, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello Kay, that really sounds almost the same as Peters case, but seems not to be. I run the check and the repair permissions, but my app wasn't even listed. I build my standalone on Win, and took it from the network onto my Mac, where I created a DMG. So no zip is involved. But it must be a permission thing, because with my admin user it runs fine, it just doesn't launches with a standard user, though I now put a system user as the owner and gave read-write to everyone. Any other idea? Thanks Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hi Tiemo, certain parts of the application have to have execute access too. I think somehow the permissions got messed up when the app was transferred to the Mac. The app itself is just a folder containing a number of other files, any one (or more) of which could have its permissions messed up. I just checked one of my apps and every single file (and folder) inside of it has full permissions (read, write and execute) to all users - not what I was expecting - though it does mean the app runs... If you don't mind using the terminal you could try the following (don't type the quotes - I put them in to try to separate the commands from the other text). Hopefully you can still retrieve a copy of the original app in case this or the previous attempts to make it work mess it up further. Start the terminal and type cd and a space. Open a Finder window to see a view of your application. Click and then drag your application icon across into the terminal window (this should add the full path to the location of your app to the cd command you previously typed). Go back to the terminal (click in its window) and press return. This should now run the cd command and set the terminal's current directory to be inside the application bundle folder for this app. Type pwd and press return This should show you the current working directory - which now should be inside the folder that represents the app (probably something like /Applications/yourappname.app. If it isn't, don't try the sudo chmod command below - you could mess up all sorts of other files. Type ls -lR and press return (that's lower case L, lower case S, space, minus, lower case L and upper case R) You will hopefully now see all the individual elements that make up your app, and the permissions related to each one. On the app I had all were set to rwxrwxrwx - which gives all permissions to everyone. If yours doesn't have that you can set it as follows: Type the following command while still in the same directory that you were in when you did the ls command previously (you could repeat the pwd command just to be sure). sudo chmod -R a+rwx * (the last bit is a star character). This means as a super user (admin user), change the access permissions recursively (the -R bit) to add read write and execute for all users to any files and folders in the current directory. You'll be asked for your password - you have to be an admin user to run this command. If you enter your password correctly, all the files and folders inside your app should now be read, write and execute to everyone. Only your app's enclosing folder hasn't been changed by this command. If your app still doesn't work, then I'm not sure what else to suggest! Good luck! On 17 Apr 2009, at 10:57, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hi Phil, it says: permission denied, exited with exit code:1 any idea, why the permission is denied if I have read - write to everyone? Thanks Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Phil Jimmieson Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 11:40 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Hi Tiemo, can you have a look at the console application (in your applications/ utilities folder) - and check for all messages or console messages to see if there's any information about why your rev app didn't start up? It might give a hint about what's happening. On 17 Apr 2009, at 10:16, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello Kay, that really sounds almost the same as Peters case, but seems not to be. I run the check and the repair permissions, but my app wasn't even listed. I build my standalone on Win, and took it from the network onto my Mac, where I created a DMG. So no zip is involved. But it must be a permission thing, because with my admin user it runs fine, it just doesn't launches with a standard user, though I now put a system user as the owner and gave read-write to everyone. Any other idea? Thanks Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Jimmieson p...@liverpool.ac.uk (UK) 0151 795 4236 Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street Liverpool L69 3BX http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/ I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this ointment. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.dewrote: Any other idea? Are there any Parental Controls set? Go to: System Preferences = Accounts For the Account in question, select it, then select the Open Parental Controls... button. See if your app is listed. If my fading memory is correct, I think newly added apps are not automatically added to Accounts that have Parental Control features engaged - if no Parental Control features are used the apps should be available to all uses if placed in the system wide Application Folder. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hi Tiemo, directories have a d at the start of their permissions, so that's ok. Some of the items inside your app folder are directories, and some are files. It does look like the execute permission for that second file you mention is missing for all users other than the owner - which might stop it from running. If you use the chmod command I mentioned in the previous posting it won't change the d bit of the permissions of directories (the command *adds* permissions - that's what the a+ bit of it is for). As long as you're in the correct folder when you issue the chmod command (the app's own bundle folder) it ought to be impossible to damage any other applications or files, and you can always replace that copy with another unmodified one to get you back to where you were before... On 17 Apr 2009, at 13:29, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hi Phil, thank you for your extensive explanation. In opposite to your tutorial my files have two different permission setting: drwxrwxrwx (leading d ?) e.g. the bundle.app -rwxrw-rw- e.g. The execute of my app Because of the different number of chars to your advice I didn't executed the sudo command. Any idea? Thanks Tiemo You will hopefully now see all the individual elements that make up your app, and the permissions related to each one. On the app I had all were set to rwxrwxrwx - which gives all permissions to everyone. If yours doesn't have that you can set it as follows: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Jimmieson p...@liverpool.ac.uk (UK) 0151 795 4236 Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street Liverpool L69 3BX http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/ I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this ointment. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hi Phil, you hit it! Setting the x permissions with sudo, made it. Now I still have two questions: 1. When looking in the info panel - permission settings, I only can choose read or read write, no read write execute. Can I set the excecute permission only in the terminal by sudo or am I missing something? 2. When creating a new app, is this way by setting the x permissions with sudo the standard way to give everyone the permission to execute my app, or am I missing something in creating my standalone (on Win XP and transferring it to Mac to create a DMG)? Thanks for your coaching, have a nice WE! Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Phil Jimmieson Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 14:41 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Hi Tiemo, directories have a d at the start of their permissions, so that's ok. Some of the items inside your app folder are directories, and some are files. It does look like the execute permission for that second file you mention is missing for all users other than the owner - which might stop it from running. If you use the chmod command I mentioned in the previous posting it won't change the d bit of the permissions of directories (the command *adds* permissions - that's what the a+ bit of it is for). As long as you're in the correct folder when you issue the chmod command (the app's own bundle folder) it ought to be impossible to damage any other applications or files, and you can always replace that copy with another unmodified one to get you back to where you were before... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.dewrote: noop same effect at that location OK, lets go back to the beginning. Delete the app off your HD. If I remember you said it started out as a DMG on a CD, so when logged in as the Admin User drag the dmg file (copy) to the HD/Users/Shared folder and double click on it so it expands. When your app has expanded, drag it to the HD/Applications folder. Click on it and Get Info. What does it list for the 3 names permissions? system: Read Write, admin: Read Write, everyone: Read Only? Does it work now under Admin user, what about when logged in as a Standard User? You should be able to do the following when logged in as a Standard User, but when you try to change anything it will ask for the Admin Name and Password. Is this the only Rev standalone on the Mac. Does the Mac have a copy of the IDE which may only be available for the Admin user to use? Is this definitely a standalone - a Rev stack can be opened without the IDE if another Rev Stack exists on the Mac, so in this case, if the app isn't a standalone but is really only a stack, it will try to start up the IDE, Rev Player or any other Rev standalone that contains the Rev engine, if these are only available to the Admin User then the Stack (not app) will fail to start for a Standard User. With Get Info what does it list under Name Extension, does it have .rev or no extension at all? Control Click on the app so the contextual menu pops up and select 'Show Package Contents'. A new Finder window should pop up with a single folder called Contents, select it so you can look inside. Remember you can't write to an application, so most of what is in here will have ONLY READ permission, the exceptions are Info.plist file and any other file you've specifically created to counter this situation, ie you've created a stack with splashscreen, have a database or simply write to a seperate file. If your app works for the Admin user, then the particular file (info.plist, rev, db or other) must have the correct write permission for the Admin user so maybe system Read Write, admin Read Write, everyone Read. In this case the everyone needs to change to Read Write, but remember, everyone Read Write should only be changed on those files that you know the user needs to be able to write to, all other folders and files should have their permissions left as is. It might be handy to look in the HD/Applications/ folder for any other 3rd party (not Apple, ie Firefox or Skype) application that has been installed. Control Click on it to 'Show Package Contents' and check the various permissions of the folders and files inside. You will see that the three names are system, admin and everyone, and typcially ONLY the info.plist file has Read Write for everyone. Are these 3rd party apps visible to the Standard User and do they work correctly? The next problem might be Preferences. Instead of writing to a .plist file located inside the app bundle (Mac name for the folder that looks like a file), you could write to a preference file located in the Preference Folder, unfortunately there are several of these. Each User has their own, plus there is a System level one, HD/Library/Preferences. If your app writes to HD/Library/Preferences it will work for the Admin user as they have Write permission, but it will not work for standard Users. Preferences should go in each individual HD/Users/user name/Library/Preferences folder so that each User will have the app start with their own preferences. Obviously each user can Read and Write to their own Preferences folder. HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Kay,
I know I'm not an unbiased source but I just wanted to point out that beyond
your basic email and web space, (actually I think MobileMe is killing web
pages) there is almost no comparison between MobileMe and on-Rev. I mean, I
guess you could say that on-Rev is a MobileMe for Revolution users just
because it's highly targeted and provides specific functionality... but I
think the comparison breaks down after that. MobileMe is about syncing files
and contacts across multiple devices. While on-Rev is a Rev developer's
dream home for server scripting.
As for Dreamhost, we specifically did not want to compete on a
bandwidth/storage basis. Yes, we wanted to provide more than ample space for
a good price, and yes we want to make it an easy decision to use us for
hosting all your sites. Before on-Rev, I was using Dreamhost and a second,
cPanel-based provider. Dreamhost is great and very Rev-friendly. I have the
classic Rev engine, 3.0, working there. I haven't gotten around to putting
3.5 up because in the end it's probably an hour of work for me to download
the Linux version, pick out the right bits, and upload them with the right
permissions, etc. The other guys haven't gotten Rev to work since the 2.6.1
engine, are completely helpless when it comes to trying to get it to work,
and I've been looking for an excuse to get rid of them.
For me, on-Rev is the ideal place I'd want to switch to from the previous
cPanel provider. I get to use the same UI as the old one (in fact, it's easy
to just back up and restore my whole site cPanel-to-cPanel). I know it's got
its detractors but cPanel is pretty common and great for average people like
me. I get better spec hardware hosting it, with more storage and more
bandwidth. No feature losses. And one important advantage...
The core value of this service is knowing that whenever you want -- without
any complicated setup, getting into FTP programs, etc. -- you can quickly
add ?rev tags to a page. And if it doesn't work, you have the comfort of a
nice debugger that shows you variables in real time, etc. Makes it so easy
for quick tasks and finally possible to tackle bigger projects without
pulling your hair out.
In other words, it was designed to be the ultimate place to be for anyone
who uses Rev, and the whole point of being a Founder is not just to get a
great deal on hosting, but to help make it great with feedback and
suggestions and just plain using it :)
- Bill
runrev marketing guy
Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote
in message
news:f73a98160904170517j605d7ea5i7a0ab23bd0613...@mail.gmail.com...
I would like some opinions on the new on-Rev offer.
This offer is very timely as I've been telling myself I 'need' to have a
web
presence. ('need' as in my wife needs a new dress or I need a new gadget).
I
guess I'm a bit like Marian in this regard, a bit of a neophyte when it
comes to cgi, php etc; so as a Mac user MobileMe probably sounds like the
web solution.
But having said that, I do consider MobileMe more for my mother than for
me.
I do dabble in mySQL and can have it work across a LAN, and have even
tested
it over a WAN, but without a hosting service a one off test was all it
was.
I know that a few here recommend Dreamhost. At the moment the only
deficiencies that I've noted from a quick scan is that on-Rev doesn't list
QuickTime/RealAudio support, but I get the impression that such holes will
be filled rapidly.
I'm probably not the prime target for on-Rev, but I don't consider myself
the prime target for Revolution either. I love Rev and I can see that if
on-Rev can minimise the need for PHP, CGI and javascript knowledge, I
could
really enjoy working in on-Rev as well.
So I was wondering if some kind List members would share their thoughts on
the pros and cons, the haves and have-nots - excluding cost as I don't
want
this to be an issue, ie if you can't afford on-Rev right now but think
it's
a great offer I'd like to know why, just the same as if you can afford
on-Rev but aren't interested I'd like to know why. I'm looking more at the
personal/family end of the spectrum rather than the business perspective.
Will on-Rev = Dreamhost? If not, why not. What will on-Rev provide that
I'll
never get from MobileMe and what will MobileMe provide that I'll never be
able to do with on-Rev?
Thanks in advance for all those that share their thoughts.
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Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hiya, This seems to have taken a roundabout route to sort out! I haven't had any such issues with Mac installs: Could the problem lie elsewhere? I'm wondering if, in the creation of the CD, the permissions have been mangled by whatever was used to create it? Opening a dmg and then dragging the app to its destination (for all users it should be HD/Applications) has always worked. What doesn't work at times is when the app is run from _within_ the dmg. If the dmg is not too large, email me off list (tell me the size of the file first!) and if you don't mind, I'll test it here and see what I can find. Cheers, Luis. On 17 Apr 2009, at 14:09, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hi Phil, you hit it! Setting the x permissions with sudo, made it. Now I still have two questions: 1. When looking in the info panel - permission settings, I only can choose read or read write, no read write execute. Can I set the excecute permission only in the terminal by sudo or am I missing something? 2. When creating a new app, is this way by setting the x permissions with sudo the standard way to give everyone the permission to execute my app, or am I missing something in creating my standalone (on Win XP and transferring it to Mac to create a DMG)? Thanks for your coaching, have a nice WE! Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Phil Jimmieson Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 14:41 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Hi Tiemo, directories have a d at the start of their permissions, so that's ok. Some of the items inside your app folder are directories, and some are files. It does look like the execute permission for that second file you mention is missing for all users other than the owner - which might stop it from running. If you use the chmod command I mentioned in the previous posting it won't change the d bit of the permissions of directories (the command *adds* permissions - that's what the a+ bit of it is for). As long as you're in the correct folder when you issue the chmod command (the app's own bundle folder) it ought to be impossible to damage any other applications or files, and you can always replace that copy with another unmodified one to get you back to where you were before... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
I know that a few here recommend Dreamhost. At the moment the only deficiencies that I've noted from a quick scan is that on-Rev doesn't list QuickTime/RealAudio support, but I get the impression that such holes will be filled rapidly. I'm probably not the prime target for on-Rev, but I don't consider myself the prime target for Revolution either. I love Rev and I can see that if on-Rev can minimise the need for PHP, CGI and javascript knowledge, I could really enjoy working in on-Rev as well. Hi Kay, I work with a number of providers, and use Dreamhost along with several others. Dreamhost is sort of like buying your flour in bulk at WinCo - its really cheap and there's plenty of stuff you get for your buck. On the other hand, you cannot depend on great bandwidth at all times, and they have some other limitations as well. They do have one click installs that cover a wide range of uses - for example, Im involved in a number of Joomla based projects and that's really simple to set up on dreamhost. You can also have an unlimited number of sites. On the other hand, I think its very problematic that they will ever go out of their way to support Revolution, and they will never be the experts at Revolution that Runtime will. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Hiya, On-Rev has PostgreSQL and MySQL: Will Valentina be up there too?... Cheers, Luis. On 17 Apr 2009, at 14:54, Lynn Fredricks wrote: I know that a few here recommend Dreamhost. At the moment the only deficiencies that I've noted from a quick scan is that on-Rev doesn't list QuickTime/RealAudio support, but I get the impression that such holes will be filled rapidly. I'm probably not the prime target for on-Rev, but I don't consider myself the prime target for Revolution either. I love Rev and I can see that if on-Rev can minimise the need for PHP, CGI and javascript knowledge, I could really enjoy working in on-Rev as well. Hi Kay, I work with a number of providers, and use Dreamhost along with several others. Dreamhost is sort of like buying your flour in bulk at WinCo - its really cheap and there's plenty of stuff you get for your buck. On the other hand, you cannot depend on great bandwidth at all times, and they have some other limitations as well. They do have one click installs that cover a wide range of uses - for example, Im involved in a number of Joomla based projects and that's really simple to set up on dreamhost. You can also have an unlimited number of sites. On the other hand, I think its very problematic that they will ever go out of their way to support Revolution, and they will never be the experts at Revolution that Runtime will. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hi Tiemo, it looks like something is trashing the execute permissions between the Windows system and the Mac DMG. I always build my standalones on a Mac, so its not something I've come across. Presumably when Rev on Windows builds a Mac standalone, it gives the app it produces the equivalent of Windows execute access for all users (does Windows have this?), and when the app is then transferred to a Mac the different permissions system there is applied to match the Windows one. Or is it simply that when you copy a Mac app from a Windows file system to a Mac one, the Mac sets up execute permission for it automatically? Anyone know? On 17 Apr 2009, at 14:09, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hi Phil, you hit it! Setting the x permissions with sudo, made it. Now I still have two questions: 1. When looking in the info panel - permission settings, I only can choose read or read write, no read write execute. Can I set the excecute permission only in the terminal by sudo or am I missing something? 2. When creating a new app, is this way by setting the x permissions with sudo the standard way to give everyone the permission to execute my app, or am I missing something in creating my standalone (on Win XP and transferring it to Mac to create a DMG)? Thanks for your coaching, have a nice WE! Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Phil Jimmieson Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 14:41 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Hi Tiemo, directories have a d at the start of their permissions, so that's ok. Some of the items inside your app folder are directories, and some are files. It does look like the execute permission for that second file you mention is missing for all users other than the owner - which might stop it from running. If you use the chmod command I mentioned in the previous posting it won't change the d bit of the permissions of directories (the command *adds* permissions - that's what the a+ bit of it is for). As long as you're in the correct folder when you issue the chmod command (the app's own bundle folder) it ought to be impossible to damage any other applications or files, and you can always replace that copy with another unmodified one to get you back to where you were before... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Jimmieson p...@liverpool.ac.uk (UK) 0151 795 4236 Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street Liverpool L69 3BX http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/ I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this ointment. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] on-rev urls
Hopefully the non-Founders here will humor us asking some questions about on-rev! I've had two domains forwarded to areas in my on-rev account (they were previously sat doing nothing at Go Daddy). The redirecting took a few hours to kick in, but now if I type the original url, of say www.mysite.com , it gets through to mysite.holgate.on-rev.com ok. I've read online that you can't make it keep the original url, which is unfortunate, but understandable. Come the day that Rev does domain registering, would it be feasible to transfer from Go Daddy to Go Rev (or whatever it would be called), and then see the original urls under my on-rev account? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] on-rev urls
Hiya, ??!!! You should be able to do the www.mysite.com without it becoming a sub-domain... Are you re-directing or changed the GoDaddy DNS servers to point to those at On-Rev? Cheers, Luis. On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:04, Colin Holgate wrote: Hopefully the non-Founders here will humor us asking some questions about on-rev! I've had two domains forwarded to areas in my on-rev account (they were previously sat doing nothing at Go Daddy). The redirecting took a few hours to kick in, but now if I type the original url, of say www.mysite.com, it gets through to mysite.holgate.on-rev.com ok. I've read online that you can't make it keep the original url, which is unfortunate, but understandable. Come the day that Rev does domain registering, would it be feasible to transfer from Go Daddy to Go Rev (or whatever it would be called), and then see the original urls under my on-rev account? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] on-rev urls
On Apr 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Luis wrote: ??!!! You should be able to do the www.mysite.com without it becoming a sub-domain... I start off going there, but when it gets there it's now the on-rev url. Are you re-directing or changed the GoDaddy DNS servers to point to those at On-Rev? It's referred to as Forwarding, I used the 301 option to claim it to be a permanent forwarding. As the domains were just parked at Go Daddy, and not truly hosted, would the DNS trick work? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] on-rev urls
Hiya, Yep, you need to point the GoDaddy servers to On-Rev. You can keep it registered with GoDaddy, and renew the Domain every year, but you don't need to host them there. Parking usually just points to the 'internal' default page (GoDaddy's or none, depending on the host). Cheers, Luis. On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:20, Colin Holgate wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Luis wrote: ??!!! You should be able to do the www.mysite.com without it becoming a sub-domain... I start off going there, but when it gets there it's now the on-rev url. Are you re-directing or changed the GoDaddy DNS servers to point to those at On-Rev? It's referred to as Forwarding, I used the 301 option to claim it to be a permanent forwarding. As the domains were just parked at Go Daddy, and not truly hosted, would the DNS trick work? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Lynn Fredricks wrote: On the other hand, I think its very problematic that they will ever go out of their way to support Revolution, and they will never be the experts at Revolution that Runtime will. It should always be the case that the maker of a technology knows it best; I'd be concerned if that were not the case. ;) But if we want to see Rev adopted widely on servers, we should be careful about the message here: we don't want to work too hard to convince the world that setting up Rev on a server is prohibitively onerous. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac?
Hi Phil, so obiously anywhere in the process of creating the standalone there is a bug or whatever. Until I find the solution for the problem my question #1 (see below) would be interesting for me as a workaround - beside of creating the standalone directly on the Mac. Thank you Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Phil Jimmieson Gesendet: Freitag, 17. April 2009 16:02 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: AW: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Hi Tiemo, it looks like something is trashing the execute permissions between the Windows system and the Mac DMG. I always build my standalones on a Mac, so its not something I've come across. Presumably when Rev on Windows builds a Mac standalone, it gives the app it produces the equivalent of Windows execute access for all users (does Windows have this?), and when the app is then transferred to a Mac the different permissions system there is applied to match the Windows one. Or is it simply that when you copy a Mac app from a Windows file system to a Mac one, the Mac sets up execute permission for it automatically? Anyone know? On 17 Apr 2009, at 14:09, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hi Phil, you hit it! Setting the x permissions with sudo, made it. Now I still have two questions: 1. When looking in the info panel - permission settings, I only can choose read or read write, no read write execute. Can I set the excecute permission only in the terminal by sudo or am I missing something? 2. When creating a new app, is this way by setting the x permissions with sudo the standard way to give everyone the permission to execute my app, or am I missing something in creating my standalone (on Win XP and transferring it to Mac to create a DMG)? Thanks for your coaching, have a nice WE! Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Controlling PowerPoint From Within Runtime Revolution
John Miller wrote: 1. They have invested a great deal of time creating PowerPoint files and don't want to redo them. From your follow-on post, this was understood. 2. We live in a powerPoint world. My users are often given a PowerPoint file from their denomination or a guest speaker who brings a PowerPoint file that they would like to project. Given enough time, we could convert these files, but when you are handed a file ten minutes before a church service, you can't always do the conversion. This is a new factor you are just now adding. I don't think anyone, including myself, understood that people are walking in the door with a presentation in hand to be played by your software immediately. However, given this, then an answer you were already given is the best. You use a program (on PCs) called PPTView.exe. You can pass this MS free Viewer the name of any off the shelf .PPT file name in the form of: PPTView.exe /s AnyNewlyArrived.ppt After a PPT splash screen, the presentation starts and when it ends it completely exits and what is left is your underlying app. You should use shell to call this from your app. Your app can copy the PPT from whatever media the user has brought it in on to a directory with the PPTView.exe in it. Then shell to PPTView.exe as described above. Aloha from Hawaii. Jim Bufalini ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wow! New CGIs
Richard Gaskin wrote: The new server package is very cool, esp. the live debugging, but FWIW you can do that script with the old CGI with just two lines, one in the CGI and one in a web page template: Ah, but with the new way there is nothing to merge; you don't need a template file at all. My cgi-bin folder is empty, because I don't need a separate CGI script either. Truly, all I needed to do was insert that one line into my web page and drop in a text file of listed images. If my list weren't so long, I'd not even use the text file, I'd just list the images directly in the web page as a variable. That way I wouldn't need any additional files at all. It really is cool. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inheritance and Custom Properties
2009/4/17 Jim Bufalini j...@visitrieve.com Can you be more specific about this one command that kicks off the whole shebang? Are you using the newButton, newStack, etc. messages that then do an arbitrary getProp which triggers a sequence of copying the custom properties? Or is it simpler than that? Thanks! I tried i the last post - i an email rush at the moment - think its probably best to post actua scripts... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wow! New CGIs
J. Landman Gay wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: The new server package is very cool, esp. the live debugging, but FWIW you can do that script with the old CGI with just two lines, one in the CGI and one in a web page template: Ah, but with the new way there is nothing to merge; you don't need a template file at all. My cgi-bin folder is empty, because I don't need a separate CGI script either. Truly, all I needed to do was insert that one line into my web page and drop in a text file of listed images. If my list weren't so long, I'd not even use the text file, I'd just list the images directly in the web page as a variable. That way I wouldn't need any additional files at all. It really is cool. Indeed it is. No question there. Even saving a couple steps is a good move forward, and the debugger is a wonderful enhancement. But to be clear, it's not that you don't need a web template; what you don't need is the CGI script, since as a module that happens automatically. The .irev file is effectively your template page, as it is in PHP. You put any HTML into it, and without any embedded directives for the engine that's what gets returned to the user. But with directives, the engine processes those and returns the processed data back to the user. The directives are sort of placeholders for executable code and function calls, leaving everything outside of the directives intact as native HTML. This handling of web templates is very similar with both the new Apache module and with the CGI engine using the merge function. The main difference in this case (and there are others) is the convenience: With a CGI, you need a script to grab whatever template pages you want to use, run them through the merge function, and return the result to the client. It need only be one line, as in my earlier example, but it still needs to be there to run the merge. With the Apache module, the server is preconfigured to hand off any file request with a specific file name extension (e.g., .irev or .php) to an engine assigned to handle that file type. That engine processes whatever engine-specific directives may be in the file, and returns it to the client. In both cases, there's a template page which combines HTML with engine-specific directives; with Rev those are inside of either ? and ? tags or [[ and ]] tags. What you don't need to handle is the CGI to pick up that template and process it, since that's preconfigured with the module. Another nicety with the new module is that directives between ? and ? tags don't need to have the keyword return in front, providing a bit more graceful appearance. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data grid code (color)
Wow, Trevor, you are the MAN! MAHALO! I will check it out right away. You should be able to get this working without too much trouble. I've added a lesson to the manual that discusses how you can quickly override the default column behavior for a data grid table. There are two samples at the end of the lesson, one of which shows how to color a cell. http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3966-How-Do-I-Override-the-Default-Behavior-For-Rendering-Data-to-a-Cell- Let me know if this helps. Regards, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Hi,
i was considering about extending my web package here at a german isp, just
before the On-Rev offer jumped in.
At the moment i am paying 130,--Euros for a 5GB Hosting Package with unlimited
Subdomains, 1000 Domains (yearly domain fees not included),100 FTP-Accounts,
1000 Pop3 Accounts, 100 MySQL DB without possibility to use Rev as a cgi,
because of security concerns of my isp.
So for me the On-Rev offer is a big deal even if i would not use the rev
things. But of course i will use it. ;)
I already moved 2 Domains to On-Rev - more will follow.
Btw.: Problems with moving a .de Domain to On-Rev due to restrictions of Denic
(responsible for .de domains)or special mx entries in the on-rev nameserver
were solved very fast. Thanks Heather!
All the best,
Matthias
Original Message
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev (17-Apr-2009 14:21)
From:Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com
I would like some opinions on the new on-Rev offer.
This offer is very timely as I've been telling myself I 'need' to have a
web
presence. ('need' as in my wife needs a new dress or I need a new gadget).
I
guess I'm a bit like Marian in this regard, a bit of a neophyte when it
comes to cgi, php etc; so as a Mac user MobileMe probably sounds like the
web solution.
But having said that, I do consider MobileMe more for my mother than for me.
I do dabble in mySQL and can have it work across a LAN, and have even
tested
it over a WAN, but without a hosting service a one off test was all it was.
I know that a few here recommend Dreamhost. At the moment the only
deficiencies that I've noted from a quick scan is that on-Rev doesn't list
QuickTime/RealAudio support, but I get the impression that such holes will
be filled rapidly.
I'm probably not the prime target for on-Rev, but I don't consider myself
the prime target for Revolution either. I love Rev and I can see that if
on-Rev can minimise the need for PHP, CGI and javascript knowledge, I could
really enjoy working in on-Rev as well.
So I was wondering if some kind List members would share their thoughts on
the pros and cons, the haves and have-nots - excluding cost as I don't want
this to be an issue, ie if you can't afford on-Rev right now but think it's
a great offer I'd like to know why, just the same as if you can afford
on-Rev but aren't interested I'd like to know why. I'm looking more at the
personal/family end of the spectrum rather than the business perspective.
Will on-Rev = Dreamhost? If not, why not. What will on-Rev provide that I'
ll
never get from MobileMe and what will MobileMe provide that I'll never be
able to do with on-Rev?
Thanks in advance for all those that share their thoughts.
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Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Hi Kay, Here at Altuit (Chris and I), we have a bit of everything, JaquarPC (like DreamHost) for Rev cgi's, our own half rack of equipment at the data centere DataFoundry, and some other 'niche' server ISP's like Screencast.com. Sorry, we don't use MobileMe or iPhones, (prefer to use Google's own syncing software) so I can't comment on that. I decided to sign up for On-Rev for the following reasons: 1. RR the company. In the past they've always provided great customer service, and that tends to be a touchy issue for many budget hosting companies. 2. RR's implementation of Rev on their servers. Now I no longer need to keep Andre awake at night with Skype calls and GoToMeeting sessions, trying to figure out what new installation problem I've created for myself at JaquarPC. Plus, I get to embed rev directly into pages, which is simpler for me than asp or php. I'm looking forward to installing WordPress (one-click Fantastico install) and futzing around with their templates using some Rev for things like rotating banners, etc.. 3. One time fee forever. Certainly, if you use it more than a few years, it's a GREAT deal. But more importantly, it's hassle free. No more your card is expired or actual shut down of your domain for non-payment, even though it was set to automatically renew (happened to me with one such hosting company which I don't use anymore!). 4. Friendly forums where I know most everyone. 5. Multiple domains. I have a handful of domains I've collected over the years. My experience is most hosting companies allow you one domain per budget account. This can get expensive if you're trying to manage multiple domains. 6. Rev takes PayPal 7. Datacenter is in the U.S. and not Scotland ;-) These reasons were enough to convince me to sign up. I'm not sure I'll be doing anything right away, other than a few 'hello world' tests, but I expect to be running a blog or two withing the coming months from On-Rev. HTH. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Hi all, I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. TIA, Joe Wilkins On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote: Hi, i was considering about extending my web package here at a german isp, just before the On-Rev offer jumped in. At the moment i am paying 130,--Euros for a 5GB Hosting Package with unlimited Subdomains, 1000 Domains (yearly domain fees not included), 100 FTP-Accounts, 1000 Pop3 Accounts, 100 MySQL DB without possibility to use Rev as a cgi, because of security concerns of my isp. So for me the On-Rev offer is a big deal even if i would not use the rev things. But of course i will use it. ;) I already moved 2 Domains to On-Rev - more will follow. Btw.: Problems with moving a .de Domain to On-Rev due to restrictions of Denic (responsible for .de domains)or special mx entries in the on-rev nameserver were solved very fast. Thanks Heather! All the best, Matthias ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
I have never had a website so it is all new to me. -=JB=- On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi all, I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. TIA, Joe Wilkins On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote: Hi, i was considering about extending my web package here at a german isp, just before the On-Rev offer jumped in. At the moment i am paying 130,--Euros for a 5GB Hosting Package with unlimited Subdomains, 1000 Domains (yearly domain fees not included),100 FTP-Accounts, 1000 Pop3 Accounts, 100 MySQL DB without possibility to use Rev as a cgi, because of security concerns of my isp. So for me the On-Rev offer is a big deal even if i would not use the rev things. But of course i will use it. ;) I already moved 2 Domains to On-Rev - more will follow. Btw.: Problems with moving a .de Domain to On-Rev due to restrictions of Denic (responsible for .de domains)or special mx entries in the on-rev nameserver were solved very fast. Thanks Heather! All the best, Matthias ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Obviously, I meant cite instead of sight, though I thought it made sense at the time. JW On Apr 17, 2009, at 1:04 PM, -= JB =- wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi all, I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. TIA, Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Obviously, I meant cite instead of sight, though I thought it made sense at the time. You'd like someone to cite some information that would explain why catching sight of a site on on-rev would be a good thing? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Le 17 avr. 09 à 21:56, Joe Lewis Wilkins a écrit : Hi all, I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. TIA, Joe Wilkins Thanks Joe, we are two (I am with you, in the dark, ;-))) Best regards from Grenoble André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Isn't English the craziest language in the world? You've just hit on one of my pet peeves. In programming we call it overloading I think. In English it is just plain stupid and something I wish we'd get away from some day. Fat chance. JW On Apr 17, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Obviously, I meant cite instead of sight, though I thought it made sense at the time. You'd like someone to cite some information that would explain why catching sight of a site on on-rev would be a good thing? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
A billion people speaking esperanto? - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/4/17 Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net Isn't English the craziest language in the world? You've just hit on one of my pet peeves. In programming we call it overloading I think. In English it is just plain stupid and something I wish we'd get away from some day. Fat chance. JW On Apr 17, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Obviously, I meant cite instead of sight, though I thought it made sense at the time. You'd like someone to cite some information that would explain why catching sight of a site on on-rev would be a good thing? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data grid code (color)
Trevor You said, let you know. Ok! I must be doing something wrong, it doesn't seem to work. On the other hand I did vary slightly from your instructions. I will file this as a bug report so I can include a sample stack and screen shots. Context The goal is to add a custom behavior that will turn certain cells color upon a certain condition. Problem Attempting to apply the example logic in practice, nothing happens, no color change. How to Duplicate This Problem Create a new stack, very simple, with 2 objects, a populate button, and a data grid with 3 columns, with default names, that is group datagrid, and columns col 1, col 2, and col 3. Populate a few rows, say 3, using the contents pane of the property inspector. The populate button has this code (assuming you haven't resorted, the row numbers and index numbers are the same) on mouseUp ask Pattern? put it into thePattern repeat with rownum = 1 to 3 dispatch setdataofindex to group datagrid with rownum, Col 2, thePattern end repeat dispatch RefreshList to group datagrid end mouseUp Note that the refreshlist call at the end is necessary or you won't see any changes.The above will let you change the contents of column 2, the first 3 rows. Next, select the data grid and using the property inspector, and in the columns choice, highlight col 2, then use the plus button at the bottom and then click column behavior to begin editing the custom behavior for this column. To the fillindata handler, add some code to change the color depending on the contents of the cell. Like this on FillInData pData -- This message is sent when the Data Grid needs to populate -- this template with the column data. pData is the value to be displayed. -- Example: set the text of field 1 of me to pData if (pData contains foo) then set the backgroundcolor of field 1 of me to red end if end FillInData Now run your stack. put 'bar in column 2, by clicking the populate button and answering bar. Nothing should happen. Now do it again and answer foo. Again, nothing happens, but the foo cells were expected to be red. Trevor, is my error obvious to the master? What have I left out! Grateful thanks, Sadhu Sadhu Nadesan wrote: Wow, Trevor, you are the MAN! MAHALO! I will check it out right away. You should be able to get this working without too much trouble. I've added a lesson to the manual that discusses how you can quickly override the default column behavior for a data grid table. There are two samples at the end of the lesson, one of which shows how to color a cell. http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3966-How-Do-I-Override-the-Default-Behavior-For-Rendering-Data-to-a-Cell- Let me know if this helps. Regards, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data grid code (color)
Note that you may also double click on a cell and edit it directly, and again, the expected behavior is, if you type foo, it turns red. The refreshlist command is supposed to be called upon editing but I added this as a separate button choice just in case, didn't help. Sadhu Nadesan wrote: Trevor You said, let you know. Ok! I must be doing something wrong, it doesn't seem to work. On the other hand I did vary slightly from your instructions. I will file this as a bug report so I can include a sample stack and screen shots. Context The goal is to add a custom behavior that will turn certain cells color upon a certain condition. Problem Attempting to apply the example logic in practice, nothing happens, no color change. How to Duplicate This Problem Create a new stack, very simple, with 2 objects, a populate button, and a data grid with 3 columns, with default names, that is group datagrid, and columns col 1, col 2, and col 3. Populate a few rows, say 3, using the contents pane of the property inspector. The populate button has this code (assuming you haven't resorted, the row numbers and index numbers are the same) on mouseUp ask Pattern? put it into thePattern repeat with rownum = 1 to 3 dispatch setdataofindex to group datagrid with rownum, Col 2, thePattern end repeat dispatch RefreshList to group datagrid end mouseUp Note that the refreshlist call at the end is necessary or you won't see any changes.The above will let you change the contents of column 2, the first 3 rows. Next, select the data grid and using the property inspector, and in the columns choice, highlight col 2, then use the plus button at the bottom and then click column behavior to begin editing the custom behavior for this column. To the fillindata handler, add some code to change the color depending on the contents of the cell. Like this on FillInData pData -- This message is sent when the Data Grid needs to populate -- this template with the column data. pData is the value to be displayed. -- Example: set the text of field 1 of me to pData if (pData contains foo) then set the backgroundcolor of field 1 of me to red end if end FillInData Now run your stack. put 'bar in column 2, by clicking the populate button and answering bar. Nothing should happen. Now do it again and answer foo. Again, nothing happens, but the foo cells were expected to be red. Trevor, is my error obvious to the master? What have I left out! Grateful thanks, Sadhu Sadhu Nadesan wrote: Wow, Trevor, you are the MAN! MAHALO! I will check it out right away. You should be able to get this working without too much trouble. I've added a lesson to the manual that discusses how you can quickly override the default column behavior for a data grid table. There are two samples at the end of the lesson, one of which shows how to color a cell. http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3966-How-Do-I-Override-the-Default-Behavior-For-Rendering-Data-to-a-Cell- Let me know if this helps. Regards, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data grid code (color)
Trevor Stack attached to bug 7972. Big mahalo, Sadhu Sadhu Nadesan wrote: Note that you may also double click on a cell and edit it directly, and again, the expected behavior is, if you type foo, it turns red. The refreshlist command is supposed to be called upon editing but I added this as a separate button choice just in case, didn't help. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
About Dreamhost and On-Rev, in case someone's wavering between the two. Rev-cgi work is an important element of my business. And I have been relying for 2 - 3 years now on Dreamhost (and another webhost before that). However I have decided to switch to On-Rev. In part because of the price, but mostly because On-Rev is run by the Rev people. Not that the Dreamhost people aren't helpful, or their uptime isn't reliable. And setting up things for Rev-cgi was as simple as other Rev-users on Dreamhost had said. However, problems between the Rev engine and the Dreamhost server machines do happen. And when they do, communicating the problem to Dreamhost staff is difficult, no matter how good their intentions. Case in point, just last month, when, after my account with Dreamhost was moved to a new server, my Rev-cgi suddenly stopped working. A missing Apache library it turned out. But I only learnt that, as well as the workaround solution, not through Dreamhost staff but rather from the generous help of people on the Rev mailing list. A very lng four days, those were! -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. It's kind of hard to explain if you don't create web pages or have a familiarity with how they are written. But in a nutshell, web pages written in pure HTML are static. Whenever you see a page that does something dynamic -- buttons with different rollover states, data that changes depending on live user input, dynamic content of any type -- those actions must be scripted into the page using a second, scripted language like JavaScript or PHP. The scripted language is integrated into the same page as the HTML code and the server interprets the scripts and shows you dynamic content. Up until now, anyone who wanted dynamic content on a web page had to learn one of those other languages. What has just happened is that Runtime has figured out a way to allow a web server to work with our familiar xtalk, and allow that to be embedded into a web page instead of one of the other languages. This is big stuff. The server needs to be set up in a particular way to allow this, and as of now, only Runtime has that setup in place. They have made their web service available so we can take advantage of this new capability. Their setup pretty much matches industry standards in terms of features and capability -- except for this remarkable scripting feature which no one else has. There is nothing to lose by changing to Runtime's web hosting service, and everything to gain if you want to write web pages using the language we know and love. For years now, the Rev engine has always had the capability to work with a server as long as it was set up as a CGI service. This is a complicated and tedious task in general, but once it was set up it works well. (This method isn't going away, by the way. It will still be functional for those who want it.) However, with the new HTML-integrated capabilities, CGIs are no longer needed. You can write HTML and Rev script in the same web page and your users will see content based on whatever your scripts do. You don't have to worry about any of the complexities of CGIs because none of that matters any more (permissions, engines, Apache installation, missing libraries, line endings, etc. All moot now.) Anyone who's had to work with the old-style CGIs will find the new method liberating. One of the hardest things to do was debug a CGI; it was very much like working with HC version 1.0 where the only way to know what a variable contained was to put its contents into the message box. If you got a script error, it was up to you to figure out the problem, because the clues were sparse if they existed at all. That's all over with now. RR provides a live debugger that lets you step through the scripts on a web page just as though you were working in a stack. That alone is worth the price of admission for web page authors. For me, I haven't seen such a cool thing since I was gobsmacked by the ability to run a stack from a remote server in one line of script. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Questions about On-Rev
A few questions about On-Rev: 1) Does On-Rev cover all the functionality in the Enterprise version... in particular, use of the SSL functions? 2) How would one send emails from within a Rev application? Is there a relay option or can Rev tap into an outgoing SMTP address for sending of emails (sometimes thousands per day)? Thanks. Richard Miller ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data grid code (color)
On Apr 17, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Sadhu Nadesan wrote: To the fillindata handler, add some code to change the color depending on the contents of the cell. Like this on FillInData pData -- This message is sent when the Data Grid needs to populate -- this template with the column data. pData is the value to be displayed. -- Example: set the text of field 1 of me to pData if (pData contains foo) then set the backgroundcolor of field 1 of me to red end if end FillInData Now run your stack. put 'bar in column 2, by clicking the populate button and answering bar. Nothing should happen. Now do it again and answer foo. Again, nothing happens, but the foo cells were expected to be red. Trevor, is my error obvious to the master? What have I left out! Your field is transparent so setting the color won't show up. Just set the opaque flag to true: if (pData contains foo) then set the backgroundcolor of field 1 of me to red set the opaque of field 1 of me to true else set the opaque of field 1 of me to false end if I tried this in your test stack in the bug report and it worked. Regards, -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com-www.screensteps.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Hi Jaqui, I don't want anyone to miss this. I had just spent about two weeks learning JavaScript for exactly the reasons you've just cited. (smile) Thank you for the timely, informative explanation. This does mean that on-rev has to be the hosting site for the webpages, however, does it not? In other words, a client could not hire one of us to create a website that they plan to run on, say, GoDaddy. In that case we'd still have to use php or JavaScript for interactive features. Correct? I still don't have a really good picture of the process since I've done this so few times. Joe Wilkins On Apr 17, 2009, at 6:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. It's kind of hard to explain if you don't create web pages or have a familiarity with how they are written. But in a nutshell, web pages written in pure HTML are static. Whenever you see a page that does something dynamic -- buttons with different rollover states, data that changes depending on live user input, dynamic content of any type -- those actions must be scripted into the page using a second, scripted language like JavaScript or PHP. The scripted language is integrated into the same page as the HTML code and the server interprets the scripts and shows you dynamic content. Up until now, anyone who wanted dynamic content on a web page had to learn one of those other languages. What has just happened is that Runtime has figured out a way to allow a web server to work with our familiar xtalk, and allow that to be embedded into a web page instead of one of the other languages. This is big stuff. The server needs to be set up in a particular way to allow this, and as of now, only Runtime has that setup in place. They have made their web service available so we can take advantage of this new capability. Their setup pretty much matches industry standards in terms of features and capability -- except for this remarkable scripting feature which no one else has. There is nothing to lose by changing to Runtime's web hosting service, and everything to gain if you want to write web pages using the language we know and love. For years now, the Rev engine has always had the capability to work with a server as long as it was set up as a CGI service. This is a complicated and tedious task in general, but once it was set up it works well. (This method isn't going away, by the way. It will still be functional for those who want it.) However, with the new HTML- integrated capabilities, CGIs are no longer needed. You can write HTML and Rev script in the same web page and your users will see content based on whatever your scripts do. You don't have to worry about any of the complexities of CGIs because none of that matters any more (permissions, engines, Apache installation, missing libraries, line endings, etc. All moot now.) Anyone who's had to work with the old-style CGIs will find the new method liberating. One of the hardest things to do was debug a CGI; it was very much like working with HC version 1.0 where the only way to know what a variable contained was to put its contents into the message box. If you got a script error, it was up to you to figure out the problem, because the clues were sparse if they existed at all. That's all over with now. RR provides a live debugger that lets you step through the scripts on a web page just as though you were working in a stack. That alone is worth the price of admission for web page authors. For me, I haven't seen such a cool thing since I was gobsmacked by the ability to run a stack from a remote server in one line of script. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com Joe Lewis Wilkins Architect Director of Product Development for GSI 760-738-1721 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Thanks for the info Jacque. It really explains a lot I didn't know. -=JB=- On Apr 17, 2009, at 6:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. It's kind of hard to explain if you don't create web pages or have a familiarity with how they are written. But in a nutshell, web pages written in pure HTML are static. Whenever you see a page that does something dynamic -- buttons with different rollover states, data that changes depending on live user input, dynamic content of any type -- those actions must be scripted into the page using a second, scripted language like JavaScript or PHP. The scripted language is integrated into the same page as the HTML code and the server interprets the scripts and shows you dynamic content. Up until now, anyone who wanted dynamic content on a web page had to learn one of those other languages. What has just happened is that Runtime has figured out a way to allow a web server to work with our familiar xtalk, and allow that to be embedded into a web page instead of one of the other languages. This is big stuff. The server needs to be set up in a particular way to allow this, and as of now, only Runtime has that setup in place. They have made their web service available so we can take advantage of this new capability. Their setup pretty much matches industry standards in terms of features and capability -- except for this remarkable scripting feature which no one else has. There is nothing to lose by changing to Runtime's web hosting service, and everything to gain if you want to write web pages using the language we know and love. For years now, the Rev engine has always had the capability to work with a server as long as it was set up as a CGI service. This is a complicated and tedious task in general, but once it was set up it works well. (This method isn't going away, by the way. It will still be functional for those who want it.) However, with the new HTML-integrated capabilities, CGIs are no longer needed. You can write HTML and Rev script in the same web page and your users will see content based on whatever your scripts do. You don't have to worry about any of the complexities of CGIs because none of that matters any more (permissions, engines, Apache installation, missing libraries, line endings, etc. All moot now.) Anyone who's had to work with the old-style CGIs will find the new method liberating. One of the hardest things to do was debug a CGI; it was very much like working with HC version 1.0 where the only way to know what a variable contained was to put its contents into the message box. If you got a script error, it was up to you to figure out the problem, because the clues were sparse if they existed at all. That's all over with now. RR provides a live debugger that lets you step through the scripts on a web page just as though you were working in a stack. That alone is worth the price of admission for web page authors. For me, I haven't seen such a cool thing since I was gobsmacked by the ability to run a stack from a remote server in one line of script. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
I just wanted to quickly pass on my thanks to the many people who've posted their thoughts. I've been busy so I didn't want people to think I was rude for not replying to their responses, I've only just now got 5 min to sit at a computer before I have to hit the grindstone again. Hopefully on Monday I'll have more time to sit down sift through everything and respond appropriately. Thanks so much :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
on-rev example: 'globals.cgi' conversion
A quick on-rev example: Just to get started, I converted my 'globals' CGI script to an on-rev web page: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN HTML HEAD LANG=en TITLE?rev put the short date the long time ?/TITLE /HEAD BODY pServer Globals/p div style=padding-left: 12px ?rev put the long seconds into tStart put the keys of $_SERVER into tList sort lines of tList repeat for each line gVar in tList put gVar = $_SERVER[gVar] br end repeat put version,processor,systemVersion,platform,environment into tExtras replace comma with cr in tExtras repeat for each line tLine in tExtras put the tLine into tLine2 put tLine2 = value(tLine2) br end repeat ? /div p?rev put This page of code executed in the long seconds - tStart secs. ? /p /BODY /HTML And here's what it looks like in the browser: http://phildavis.on-rev.com/globals/index.irev I love being able to reuse my Rev know-how this way! -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Window position management
My application saves the position of the window the last time it was saved. This works great as long as the screen sizes and positions don't change. For example, if the laptop is connected to an external monitor and the window position is saved while it is on the external monitor but the next time the program opens the external monitor isn't plugged in. How do people handle widow position management when the saved position isn't available? Bill Vlahos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: on-rev example: 'globals.cgi' conversion
Very cool, Phil. And now it could be time for the benchmark wizard (Richard) to establish a standard for the routine posting of speed comparisons. By that I mean CGI running on other host configurations doing exactly the same tasks. The results could be posted or submitted execution times, load times, etc. (like Google Urchin). Perhaps each site could have a standard test page. I know that I have a few places to install a test page and submit a report to a central location. My belief is that a few of my tech friends (non-Revers) would be blown away by the rendering speed. The idea is to get several instances of real installations and user- level tasks. By plotting the averages, this could yield strong evidence that changing hosts, then changing to Rev code would deliver a superior product It would be cool if the test page included some of the 'tricks' that on-rev.com could do. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Apr 17, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Phil Davis wrote: A quick on-rev example: Just to get started, I converted my 'globals' CGI script to an on- rev web page: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN HTML HEAD LANG=en TITLE?rev put the short date the long time ?/TITLE /HEAD BODY pServer Globals/p div style=padding-left: 12px ?rev put the long seconds into tStart put the keys of $_SERVER into tList sort lines of tList repeat for each line gVar in tList put gVar = $_SERVER[gVar] br end repeat put version,processor,systemVersion,platform,environment into tExtras replace comma with cr in tExtras repeat for each line tLine in tExtras put the tLine into tLine2 put tLine2 = value(tLine2) br end repeat ? /div p?rev put This page of code executed in the long seconds - tStart secs. ? /p /BODY /HTML And here's what it looks like in the browser: http://phildavis.on-rev.com/globals/index.irev I love being able to reuse my Rev know-how this way! -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
