Re: Buttons on revlets need "priming" before they work?

[Terry Judd]

Hi Bruce - I had the same issue during some limited testing with the web
plugin the other day. The buttons in the security window were unresponsive
to clicks until you moved the window. Mac OS 10.5.8

Sounds like it's worth putting in a bug report.

Terry...

On 14/11/09 8:09 AM, "Bruce Pokras"  wrote:

> I have noticed in a couple of instances that revlet buttons would not
> work until I did something else. For example, the "revWeb Security
> Helper" buttons would not work until I dragged it and then clicked
> the buttons. Also, buttons on my patent family revlet, Family-izer
> (http://www.blazingdawn.com/demo/family-izer.html) would sometimes
> not work until I clicked outside of the revlet.
> 
> I am on an iMac running 10.4.11. Has anyone else experienced this
> kind of weirdness?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bruce Pokras
> 
> Blazing Dawn Software
> www.blazingdawn.com
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Re: folders in revlet

[FREDRICK RICE]

Thanks Richard.
Will do.
Rick

- Original Message -
From: Richard Miller 
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: folders in revlet
To: How to use Revolution 

> Just change this line:
> 
>     set the filename of image 1 to gSlide
> 
> to this:
> 
>     put url ("binfile:" & gSlide) into image 1
> 
> It's the way it has to be for revlets.
> 
> Richard Miller
> 
> 
> 
> Rick Rice wrote:
> >
> > Just for the heck of it I decided to have a look at Revolution 
> Media 
> > 4.0.0. To this point I have been using Revolution 2.6.1.
> > The ability to save your stack for the web blew me away. Only 
> one 
> > problem, I store hundreds of images in separate folders and 
> call them 
> > into the stack as I need them. This doesn't work in the 
> revlet. I 
> > imagine many on this list have solved this problem. Could 
> someone post 
> > the appropriate script so that the revlet can access images 
> stored in 
> > separate folders.
> > Thanks
> > Rick
> >
> > The way I do it now is:
> > first I find the folder with the images
> >
> > on gettheImageList
> >   global stackaddress, stackpath
> >   put the filename of this stack into stackpath
> >   set itemdel to "/"
> >   If (IsOSX()) then  -- to get Mac path
> > get offset(".app/Contents/MacOS/", 
> stackpath)> if it > 0 then -- 2.4.3 or later
> >   delete char it to 
> len(stackpath) of stackpath
> > end if
> >   end if
> >   delete the last item of stackpath
> >   put stackpath into stackaddress
> >   put "/urinalysisTestImages" after stackaddress
> > end gettheImageList
> >
> > Then I pick an image put it into gSlide and display it like this:
> >
> > on displayimage
> >   global gSlide, stackaddress, correctanswer
> >   put stackaddress & gSlide into gSlide
> >   set the filename of image 1 to gSlide
> >   show image 1
> > end displayimage
> >
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Re: [ANN] Feature Friday: tRev tab management

[Troy Rollins]

On Nov 13, 2009, at 7:23 PM, David Coker wrote:

Jerry, if you had any idea just how often I built small "one off"  
apps just for the text processing I do in my work


Yep. Looks like a no-brainer for me as well.

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Re: folders in revlet

[Richard Miller]

Just change this line:

   set the filename of image 1 to gSlide

to this:

   put url ("binfile:" & gSlide) into image 1

It's the way it has to be for revlets.

Richard Miller



Rick Rice wrote:


Just for the heck of it I decided to have a look at Revolution Media 
4.0.0. To this point I have been using Revolution 2.6.1.
The ability to save your stack for the web blew me away. Only one 
problem, I store hundreds of images in separate folders and call them 
into the stack as I need them. This doesn't work in the revlet. I 
imagine many on this list have solved this problem. Could someone post 
the appropriate script so that the revlet can access images stored in 
separate folders.

Thanks
Rick

The way I do it now is:
first I find the folder with the images

on gettheImageList
  global stackaddress, stackpath
  put the filename of this stack into stackpath
  set itemdel to "/"
  If (IsOSX()) then  -- to get Mac path
get offset(".app/Contents/MacOS/", stackpath)
if it > 0 then -- 2.4.3 or later
  delete char it to len(stackpath) of stackpath
end if
  end if
  delete the last item of stackpath
  put stackpath into stackaddress
  put "/urinalysisTestImages" after stackaddress
end gettheImageList

Then I pick an image put it into gSlide and display it like this:

on displayimage
  global gSlide, stackaddress, correctanswer
  put stackaddress & gSlide into gSlide
  set the filename of image 1 to gSlide
  show image 1
end displayimage

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Re: [ANN] Feature Friday: tRev tab management

[David Coker]

>I've just posted some videos about our new text editor: tText. It's a  
>tabbed text editor with lots of HTML styling ability. It's more for  
>blogging and commenting than for building sites, etc. But here's the  
>kicker: it's VERY extensible. And it's EASY to extend. We've got a  
>great Plugin Manager so you can do ANYTHING you like with your text  
>and write it all in Revolution. Munge your text and then show it in a  
>new tab, if you like. I'm excited about this product and the potential  
>it has for consultants, IT professionals and inventive users.

>The world's first text editor with Revolution plugins:

> http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-part-2-ttext-a-super-text-edit

> http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-part-3-extend-ttext-with-plugi

>Best,

>Jerry Daniels

Oh yeah, I'm the proud new owner already for sure!

Jerry, if you had any idea just how often I built small "one off" apps just for 
the text processing I do in my work, you'd understand the gigantic GRIN on my 
face right now!
Let us know when the PC version is ready, please sir.
Awesome!

David C.

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folders in revlet

[Rick Rice]

Just for the heck of it I decided to have a look at Revolution Media  
4.0.0. To this point I have been using Revolution 2.6.1.
The ability to save your stack for the web blew me away. Only one  
problem, I store hundreds of images in separate folders and call them  
into the stack as I need them. This doesn't work in the revlet. I  
imagine many on this list have solved this problem. Could someone  
post the appropriate script so that the revlet can access images  
stored in separate folders.

Thanks
Rick

The way I do it now is:
first I find the folder with the images

on gettheImageList
  global stackaddress, stackpath
  put the filename of this stack into stackpath
  set itemdel to "/"
  If (IsOSX()) then  -- to get Mac path
get offset(".app/Contents/MacOS/", stackpath)
if it > 0 then -- 2.4.3 or later
  delete char it to len(stackpath) of stackpath
end if
  end if
  delete the last item of stackpath
  put stackpath into stackaddress
  put "/urinalysisTestImages" after stackaddress
end gettheImageList

Then I pick an image put it into gSlide and display it like this:

on displayimage
  global gSlide, stackaddress, correctanswer
  put stackaddress & gSlide into gSlide
  set the filename of image 1 to gSlide
  show image 1
end displayimage

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Re: [ANN] Feature Friday: tRev tab management

[Jerry Daniels]

Thanks, Troy!

I've just posted some videos about our new text editor: tText. It's a  
tabbed text editor with lots of HTML styling ability. It's more for  
blogging and commenting than for building sites, etc. But here's the  
kicker: it's VERY extensible. And it's EASY to extend. We've got a  
great Plugin Manager so you can do ANYTHING you like with your text  
and write it all in Revolution. Munge your text and then show it in a  
new tab, if you like. I'm excited about this product and the potential  
it has for consultants, IT professionals and inventive users.


The world's first text editor with Revolution plugins:

http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-part-2-ttext-a-super-text-edit

http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-part-3-extend-ttext-with-plugi

Best,

Jerry Daniels
For Revolution editors: http://reveditor.com

On Nov 13, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:



On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

Today we are having a THREE PART Feature Friday today. We have just  
posted part 1:



  http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-part-1-better-tab-shortcuts

Love it!

Keep'm coming Jerry!

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Re: how can I stop a mouseenter-command

[DunbarX]

Alex.

If you leave the button too soon nothing happens. Of course, if you zoom in 
and out, like you say, well, I was able to invoke four "doStuffs" in a row.

Shows how important testing even simple ideas really is.

Craig.

In a message dated 11/13/09 6:31:17 PM, a...@tweedly.net writes:


> > on mouseEnter
> >    wait 1 second
> >    if the mouseLoc is within the rect of me then doYourStuff
> > end mouseEnter
> >  
> But beware that this will wrongly fire if you pass the mouse through a
> button, i.e. enter the button, leave it and re-enter it before one
> second later.
> 

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Re: how can I stop a mouseenter-command

[Alex Tweedly]

dunb...@aol.com wrote:
The variable issue suggested by Jan is likely your problem. But do you 
think this is nicer?


on mouseEnter
   wait 1 second
   if the mouseLoc is within the rect of me then doYourStuff
end mouseEnter
  
But beware that this will wrongly fire if you pass the mouse through a 
button, i.e. enter the button, leave it and re-enter it before one 
second later.


Of course, the wait with messages using a simple boolean value such as 
tMouseOut has similar, though more subtle, failure modes; e.g. if you 
enter, then leave and then re-enter the button within the one second 
interval of the "wait with messages".


I was going to suggest an alternative (keeping track of "the millisecs") 
but when I tested it, I found that I did not reliably get the 
'mouseleave' messages if I enter + leave + enter within a short time 
period. (This was detectable using both my on code and using the message 
watcher).  So I'd recommend first testing that you do get these messages 
reliably (maybe it's just me), and/or checking in the bug database to 
see if there's any known problem with these messages.


-- alex.
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[ANN] Feature Friday part 2: tText, the super new text editor!

[Jerry Daniels]

Feature Friday Freaks,

Ready for part 2?

OK, here's the deal: there's a brand new text editor in town and its  
UI may look familiar...it's called tText and has speed, simplicity,  
workflow and UI as tRev!


Here's the video and screen shots:

http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-part-2-ttext-a-super-text-edit

Write any text you like and spruce it up using HTML styles. Great for  
blogs, comments to blogs, Rev dialogs (which take HTML).


It's got lots of great time-saving options...open with clipboard, save/ 
don't save...PLUS it's got Chalkboard!


Familiar tRev find & replace, complete with your 50 last searches in  
an editable history.


And of course, it's got tRev-like tabs. 20 of 'em.

This is just the beginning. Wait until you see what we've got for you  
in Feature Friday Part 3!


Best,

Jerry Daniels

Part 1 of this Feature Friday for tRev users:
http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-part-1-better-tab-shortcuts

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Re: [ANN] Feature Friday: tRev tab management

[Troy Rollins]

On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

Today we are having a THREE PART Feature Friday today. We have just  
posted part 1:



   http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-part-1-better-tab-shortcuts

Love it!

Keep'm coming Jerry!

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Re: csv parser

[Alex Tweedly]

Chris Sheffield wrote:

Wow, it's been a while since I've posted to the list. I first have to say 
congratulations to the Rev team on the release of Rev 4.0. I've been using it 
for a couple days now, and it's looking great.

I was wondering if anyone out there has written a csv parsing library in Rev 
and would be willing to share it. I'm in need of something that will read/write 
values to a csv file. I'll create my own if I have to, but obviously it would 
save me a ton of time if I don't have to.

  
Not exactly a library, but there was a fairly extensive thread back in 
October 2004 about the perils of the various forms of csv file, and it 
included a couple of handlers to read in csv files - I think there was a 
very readable and straightforward one from Richard Gaskin, and later 
there was a very efficient (but significantly more complex and obscure) 
version from me, at


http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-October/045495.html

If you have any control at all, I'd recommend TSV (i.e. TAB Separated 
Values rather than Comma SVs).


-- alex.
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Re: Buttons on revlets need "priming" before they work?

[François Chaplais]

Le 13 nov. 2009 à 23:17, Dom a écrit :

> Bruce Pokras  wrote:
> 
>> I am on an iMac running 10.4.11. Has anyone else experienced this  
>> kind of weirdness?
> 
> Yes. I have a simple demo revlet, which gives the current date upon
> clicking a button. Actually it worked as you describe after a little
> fiddling around.
> 
> Just tested now at:
> 
> http://medard.on-rev.com/RevWeb/hello/test.html
> 
> I must click outside the revlet, then the click on the button functions
> 
> iMac G5, Mac OS X 10.5.7
> -- so, not a Tiger problem ;-)
> 

works fine on latest( safari + snow leopard + plugin)

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Re: Buttons on revlets need "priming" before they work?

[Dom]

Bruce Pokras  wrote:

> I am on an iMac running 10.4.11. Has anyone else experienced this  
> kind of weirdness?

Yes. I have a simple demo revlet, which gives the current date upon
clicking a button. Actually it worked as you describe after a little
fiddling around.

Just tested now at:

http://medard.on-rev.com/RevWeb/hello/test.html

I must click outside the revlet, then the click on the button functions

iMac G5, Mac OS X 10.5.7
-- so, not a Tiger problem ;-)


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Re: Getting the line number from "on menupick"

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

>> I would say "it depends".  While some will argue that having all options
>> visible at once is best for the user, a 50 item menu uses a lot of
>> vertical
>> space, and could potentially cause confusion and/or be too overwhelming. 
>> I
>> think hierarchical submenus would be a more efficient solution.
>> 
> 
> I just reread your post and mine. Not that it is important, but the
> submenus in my constructions are only visible upon clicking the main menu.
> In 
> your construction all choices are visible at once. Is that what you meant,
> that 
> the entire list, including all possible submenus,   should not be seen at
> the same time? In a short list this is pleasing and makes the selections very
> accessable.

My point was that *in general* many usability advocates will say that having
all options visible to the user at once is most effective, that
choices/options should not be "hidden".  Of course this is a goal to strive
for, but not at the expense of overwhelming the user with choices --
tradeoffs have to be made.

(My example illustrated the menu structure, not what is visible.  Only the
primary menu entries would be visible, with hierarchical options available
in submenus on mouseover.)

In any event, I believe the "it depends" comment still applies.  In a short
menu list, many things are possible.  It sounds like your arrangement works
for you.  But the presentation *does* make a difference.  A menu with
duplicate entries at the top level in the hierarchy is clearly confusing --
there is no way to know which item is which. Having duplicate entries in
submenus is probably less confusing, and having the submenu contents only
visible on mouseover reduces the potential confusion even more.

So, is it right/wrong to have duplicate entries in a menu?
I would say "it depends." :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Getting the line number from "on menupick" already

[DunbarX]

Not to go on and on and on...

Why are there no issues with any of the other menu style buttons? The 
popUp, combo, pullDown and pullUp styles all have stable menuHistories when 
deploying submenus. They look and work a bit differently, but the heirarchical 
capabilities identical. the only real difference in the cascade styles is that 
you cannot lock the menu open with a single click; you have to keep the 
mouse down. This might be useful, but begs the point.

Craig Newman
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Re: Buttons on revlets need "priming" before they work?

[Marc Siskin]

Bruce,

Do you notice this more with Firefox or is it in both FF and Safari?  I have a 
simple stack that I can't click on some buttons when running the stack in FF.  
I reported it to Support but I haven't heard from them about it.

Marc Siskin


On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:

> I have noticed in a couple of instances that revlet buttons would not work 
> until I did something else. For example, the "revWeb Security Helper" buttons 
> would not work until I dragged it and then clicked the buttons. Also, buttons 
> on my patent family revlet, Family-izer 
> (http://www.blazingdawn.com/demo/family-izer.html) would sometimes not work 
> until I clicked outside of the revlet.
> 
> I am on an iMac running 10.4.11. Has anyone else experienced this kind of 
> weirdness?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bruce Pokras
> 
> Blazing Dawn Software
> www.blazingdawn.com
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Re: Getting the line number from "on menupick"

[DunbarX]

In a message dated 11/13/09 3:49:13 PM, sc...@tactilemedia.com writes:


> I would say "it depends".  While some will argue that having all options
> visible at once is best for the user, a 50 item menu uses a lot of 
> vertical
> space, and could potentially cause confusion and/or be too overwhelming.  
> I
> think hierarchical submenus would be a more efficient solution.
> 

I just reread your post and mine. Not that it is important, but the 
submenus in my constructions are only visible upon clicking the main menu.   In 
your construction all choices are visible at once. Is that what you meant, that 
the entire list, including all possible submenus,   should not be seen at 
the same time? In a short list this is pleasing and makes the selections very 
accessable.

But in a long list...

Craig

Craig
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Buttons on revlets need "priming" before they work?

[Bruce Pokras]

I have noticed in a couple of instances that revlet buttons would not  
work until I did something else. For example, the "revWeb Security  
Helper" buttons would not work until I dragged it and then clicked  
the buttons. Also, buttons on my patent family revlet, Family-izer  
(http://www.blazingdawn.com/demo/family-izer.html) would sometimes  
not work until I clicked outside of the revlet.


I am on an iMac running 10.4.11. Has anyone else experienced this  
kind of weirdness?


Regards,

Bruce Pokras

Blazing Dawn Software
www.blazingdawn.com
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Re: Getting the line number from "on menupick"

[DunbarX]

Scott:

Certainly, though it depends.

But my point was that it sometimes made perfect sense to have duplicate 
menuitems, not to suggest the best way to physically list them.

And we certainly have come a long way from "HPopUpMenu", "heirPopUp", 
"fullHPOP", UlisPopper", and others, all old friends that I don't visit much 
any 
longer.

Craig

In a message dated 11/13/09 3:49:13 PM, sc...@tactilemedia.com writes:


> I would say "it depends".  While some will argue that having all options
> visible at once is best for the user, a 50 item menu uses a lot of 
> vertical
> space, and could potentially cause confusion and/or be too overwhelming.  
> I
> think hierarchical submenus would be a more efficient solution.
> 

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Re: Snapshot problems

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Howard Bornstein wrote:

> I am trying to do a similar thing. In my case I have some content in a group
> that is larger than the group rectangle, so it scrolls within the group.
> However, I'd like to be able to take a snapshot of the entire group
> contents, even the parts that extend beyond the rectangle (and can only be
> seen by scrolling).

Here's one way, although it may be a pain for you:

Group the objects within the group, so you wind up with a group within a
group.  Call the inner group "container".  Then script:

 import snapshot from rect (rect of grp "container") of grp "container"

If necessary, you might group when taking a snapshot only, and then ungroup
when completed.  Either way, referencing the container group should work.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: Getting the line number from "on menupick"

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

> Don't you think a menu such as:
> 
> Chili
> (tab) beans
> (tab) texas style
> Jelly
> (tab) beans
> (tab) doughnuts
> Heartburn
> 
> Would not be uncommon, or explicitly useful? A universal, stable
> menuHistory should not be too much to ask. I think that just because there are
> workarounds, as there usually are, and that is why I love it so, doesn't mean
> that 
> this ought not to be fixed in the language, or at least railed against.

I would say "it depends".  While some will argue that having all options
visible at once is best for the user, a 50 item menu uses a lot of vertical
space, and could potentially cause confusion and/or be too overwhelming.  I
think hierarchical submenus would be a more efficient solution.

Chili > beans
   texas style
Jelly > beans
  doughnuts
Heartburn

If Chili and Jelly need to be selectable, the initial item of each menu
could be selectable, or a 3rd entry could be added to differentiate the menu
items.  Regardless, only one sublevel is visible at a time:

Chili > straight up
   beans
   texas style
Jelly > straight up
  beans
  doughnuts
Heartburn


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: Snapshot problems

[Richmond Mathewson]

Howard Bornstein wrote:

I am trying to do a similar thing. In my case I have some content in a group
that is larger than the group rectangle, so it scrolls within the group.
However, I'd like to be able to take a snapshot of the entire group
contents, even the parts that extend beyond the rectangle (and can only be
seen by scrolling).

I tried your example " import snapshot from grp "MyCompositeThang" but it
only created a picture of the group with its scroll bars, not the entire
internal contents of the group.

Is there an easy way to get this? As I add things to the group, I'd like to
be able to create a complete image of the entire group contents, even the
parts that are not visible within the group rectangle.

  

I doubt it.

You could expand the group for the snapshot and resize it back to its
standard size after the snapshot has been taken.

The only snag is that if your expanded group is bigger than your card
the snapshot won't all be visible.

I would favour EXPORT snapshot, which will send the snapshot off to
your default folder and not mask anything.
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Wikipedia entry

[Colin Holgate]

Whoever looks after the Wikipedia entry should perhaps update it, now that 
we're past November 11th.

Also, is this claim:

"Revolution can support third-party media such as QuickTime (including 
Quicktime VR) and Flash."

misleading? Although with Studio and Enterprise you can have revBrowser, and do 
Flash, or even Unity or Shockwave, the article would leave people thinking that 
there was direct support for Flash.


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Re: Snapshot problems

[Howard Bornstein]

I am trying to do a similar thing. In my case I have some content in a group
that is larger than the group rectangle, so it scrolls within the group.
However, I'd like to be able to take a snapshot of the entire group
contents, even the parts that extend beyond the rectangle (and can only be
seen by scrolling).

I tried your example " import snapshot from grp "MyCompositeThang" but it
only created a picture of the group with its scroll bars, not the entire
internal contents of the group.

Is there an easy way to get this? As I add things to the group, I'd like to
be able to create a complete image of the entire group contents, even the
parts that are not visible within the group rectangle.

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
---
www.designeq.com

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> Graham Samuel wrote:
>
> > However Richard your other point:
> >
> >> The rect option can be useful at times, but since v2.7 we've had a
> >> much easier and more robust method of exporting images of objects
> >> by specifying the object itself rather than a rect:
> >>
> >>   import snapshot from img "MyImage"
> >>
> >> The object needn't be an image; it can be anything other than a stack
> >> (referencing the card will work for those), even groups.
> >>
> >> The big difference is how the image is generated:
> >>
> >> Using the rect option  cips a portion of the display buffer, so if
> >> your image is out of bounds there won't be anything to get.
> >>
> >> But using an object reference causes the engine to render the object
> >> into a private buffer for you, much like it would do when rendering
> >> the image on a card, and then hands that buffer back to you in the
> >> resulting image.
> ...
>
> > Is not so easy to follow if you're trying to build up a composite
> > image: say for the sake of argument one has a picture (an image)
> > occupying some part of a card, and one imposes on top of it another
> > image, with the intention of snapshotting the combined image so as to
> > create a new picture that can be exported: it might be a jpg of a
> > membership card with the member's picture imposed on it, or something
> > like that. Then if I import a snapshot of my background image (the
> > card design), won't  my foreground image (the member's picture) be
> > ignored? That's how I read the docs - so what I did in the end was to
> > use a rect based on the background image, something like:
> >
> > import snapshot from rect (the rect of of img "MembershipCard")
> >
> > This worked, but it appeared to me that I had to have a window (card,
> > stack) as big as the whole background image if nothing is to be
> > clipped, which was inconvenient.
>
> If you can put the objects you want into a group, this needn't affect
> anything in your user experience and requires only small changes to your
> script, but would let you use the robust one-liner to get the snapshot of
> the group image even if outside of the clipping region of the window:
>
>  import snapshot from grp "MyCompositeThang"
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>
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Re: Getting the line number from "on menupick"

[DunbarX]

Jacque:

Don't you think a menu such as:

Chili
(tab) beans
(tab) texas style
Jelly
(tab) beans
(tab) doughnuts
Heartburn

Would not be uncommon, or explicitly useful? A universal, stable 
menuHistory should not be too much to ask. I think that just because there are 
workarounds, as there usually are, and that is why I love it so, doesn't mean 
that 
this ought not to be fixed in the language, or at least railed against.

After all, Rev has given us almost everything else imaginable.

Craig

In a message dated 11/13/09 1:03:13 PM, jac...@hyperactivesw.com writes:


> I agree that users are unpredictable and you have to expect anything.
> But wouldn't duplicate menu item names confuse the user as well? How
> would they know which video they were actually selecting?
> 

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Re: Getting the line number from "on menupick"

[J. Landman Gay]

Richard Miller wrote:

Jacqueline,

In this situation, the instance of duplicate menu items actually serves 
the end user, as it encourages them to create more descriptive labels. 
These menu items are videos that have been imported into my program. The 
original video file names are just a series of numbers (like 
12453253.mov). When they get imported into my program, they are assigned 
a label, "un-named video". This label is what users see in the pulldown 
menu when they go to access one of these videos. So unless they've given 
the video a more descriptive label (they can label a video just about 
anything they want), the menu can display a list with some items of the 
same name.


I agree that users are unpredictable and you have to expect anything. 
But wouldn't duplicate menu item names confuse the user as well? How 
would they know which video they were actually selecting?


Jan's suggestion was brilliant, I wish I'd thought of using tags.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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[ANN] Feature Friday: tRev tab management

[Jerry Daniels]

Fellow coders,

Today we are having a THREE PART Feature Friday today. We have just  
posted part 1:


http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-part-1-better-tab-shortcuts

This part of Feature Friday is the least dramatic. Part 2 will  
surprise many folks, and Part 3 has some breakthrough stuff. So, stay  
tuned for part 2 & 3 coming to you this afternoon (or tonight for many).


Meanwhile, here's what what we have in our first installment of  
Feature Friday:


Our short cuts for the tRev Tabs are now more in compliance with  
established browser behavior and also with Rev's native script editor.  
Cmd+t creates a new tab. Cmd+w closes. Please note that the escape key  
still works to close tabs and cmd+n still makes new ones, but upon  
closing the last tab that is also an Object Browser, tRev switches  
back to the wonderful Revolution 4.0


PLUG: If you haven't gotten Rev 4.0 as of yet...I think it's time. A  
WONDERFUL release. Good job, guys! Keep it up!!


Best,

Jerry Daniels
For great Rev editors: http://reveditor.com
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csv parser

[Chris Sheffield]

Wow, it's been a while since I've posted to the list. I first have to say 
congratulations to the Rev team on the release of Rev 4.0. I've been using it 
for a couple days now, and it's looking great.

I was wondering if anyone out there has written a csv parsing library in Rev 
and would be willing to share it. I'm in need of something that will read/write 
values to a csv file. I'll create my own if I have to, but obviously it would 
save me a ton of time if I don't have to.

Thanks,
Chris


--
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally, Inc.
www.readnaturally.com

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Revlets in google chrome and or layout problems...

[David Coker]

Hello folks,
Has anyone tried (or had any luck) running a revlet in the Google Chrome 
browser?
I have a couple of stacks that I've been doing some testing with which are 
functional in IE, Firefox and Safari... neither will work with the Google 
Chrome browser.

Also, has anyone experienced any type of control alignment oddities in the way 
Revlet's are rendered from one browser to another?

Just trying to see whether I should submit something RunRev of if it's just on 
my end

Regards,
David C.
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Re: how can I stop a mouseenter-command

[Alex Tweedly]

As well as what Jan said about making tMouseout a global (or, better, a 
script local) variable, you probably also need to change

 wait 1 second
to
  wait 1 second with messages

otherwise the mouseleave message won't be processed while you wait, and 
therefore the variable won't be changed.


-- Alex.


Reinhold Venzl-Schubert wrote:

Hi!

I have a lazy finger and don't want to click the mouse.
When the mouse enters a button on my card its script shall wait 1 second.
When meanwhile the mouse has leaved, the script shall stop.
Only when the mouse stays over the button the script shall work on.

Therefore my button has a script like this:

on mouseenter
  put "inside" into tMouseOut
   wait 1 second
   if tMouseOut is not "inside" then
  exit mouseenter
   else
  ## do anything important
   end if
end mouseenter

on mouseleave
   put empty into tMouseOut
end mouseleave

But my script works as well as the mouse stay over the button or leave it.
What is my mistake.

Thanks
Reinhold
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Re: how can I stop a mouseenter-command

[DunbarX]

The variable issue suggested by Jan is likely your problem. But do you 
think this is nicer?

on mouseEnter
   wait 1 second
   if the mouseLoc is within the rect of me then doYourStuff
end mouseEnter

Craig Newman
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Re: how can I stop a mouseenter-command

[Jan Schenkel]

Is your tMouseOut variable declared outside of the handlers? Otherwise, 
tMouseOut is just a separate variable in each handler's context.
Also, may I suggest renaming such script-local variables, starting with an 's' 
instead of a 't' - see also the Scripting Style Guide here: 

Of course, it's not mandatory, but it helps :-)

Jan Schenkel
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=
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Rochefoucauld)


--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Reinhold Venzl-Schubert  
wrote:

> From: Reinhold Venzl-Schubert 
> Subject: how can I stop a mouseenter-command
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 3:40 AM
> Hi!
> 
> I have a lazy finger and don't want to click the mouse.
> When the mouse enters a button on my card its script shall
> wait 1 second.
> When meanwhile the mouse has leaved, the script shall
> stop.
> Only when the mouse stays over the button the script shall
> work on.
> 
> Therefore my button has a script like this:
> 
> on mouseenter
>   put "inside" into tMouseOut
>    wait 1 second
>    if tMouseOut is not "inside" then
>       exit mouseenter
>    else
>       ## do anything important
>    end if
> end mouseenter
> 
> on mouseleave
>    put empty into tMouseOut
> end mouseleave
> 
> But my script works as well as the mouse stay over the
> button or leave it.
> What is my mistake.
> 
> Thanks
> Reinhold
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how can I stop a mouseenter-command

[Reinhold Venzl-Schubert]

Hi!

I have a lazy finger and don't want to click the mouse.
When the mouse enters a button on my card its script shall wait 1 second.
When meanwhile the mouse has leaved, the script shall stop.
Only when the mouse stays over the button the script shall work on.

Therefore my button has a script like this:

on mouseenter
  put "inside" into tMouseOut
   wait 1 second
   if tMouseOut is not "inside" then
  exit mouseenter
   else
  ## do anything important
   end if
end mouseenter

on mouseleave
   put empty into tMouseOut
end mouseleave

But my script works as well as the mouse stay over the button or leave it.
What is my mistake.

Thanks
Reinhold
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Re: Getting the line number from "on menupick"

[Richard Miller]

Jacqueline,

In this situation, the instance of duplicate menu items actually serves 
the end user, as it encourages them to create more descriptive labels. 
These menu items are videos that have been imported into my program. The 
original video file names are just a series of numbers (like 
12453253.mov). When they get imported into my program, they are assigned 
a label, "un-named video". This label is what users see in the pulldown 
menu when they go to access one of these videos. So unless they've given 
the video a more descriptive label (they can label a video just about 
anything they want), the menu can display a list with some items of the 
same name.


Yes, I could automatically label each incoming video with a sequentially 
higher number, like "un-named video 11", "un-named video 12", etc., but 
that process actually gets rather messy in my program and tends to 
discourage people from relabeling the videos.


Richard Miller




J. Landman Gay wrote:

dunb...@aol.com wrote:

Jacque:

I could not get a valid line number for a submenu. I understand using 
a secondary routine to find   the line number in the button contents, 
since I can find the menuPicked text, but are you saying you can get 
the line number directly?


No, I was only saying what you describe -- getting the lineoffset of 
the menupick param in the contents of the button. But that relies on 
each menu item being different, which I don't see as a disadvantage. I 
can't think of any software where duplicate menu items would be 
considered okay.




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Re: Getting the line number from "on menupick"

[Richard Miller]

Jan,

Thanks! Works perfectly. Exactly what I was looking for.

Richard Miller



Jan Schenkel wrote:

Well, rev 3.5 introduced something called menu 'tagging' - here's a copy from 
the IDE change log included with rev 3.5

===

Menu-item tagging
~

The menu item specification has been extended to allow a tag to be specified. 
It is now of the form:
   [ '/' [  ] [ '|'  ] ]
Note that the  is optional as is the  however, if you want an 
item with a tag but without the accelerator you need:
   '/' '|' 
  
The  must only be composed of characters from the ASCII character set.
  
If a menu item has a  then it is the tag string that is passed to menuPick rather than the . This is useful for localization of menu items as you don't need to change the menuPick handler for each language supported.


The following tags should be used to label the standard edit menu items to 
enable them to be controlled by the system dialogs on Mac OS X (e.g. answer 
file, ask file etc.):
  undo, redo, cut, copy, paste, clear, select all, preferences

Note: You should not mix the use of tags and no tags in Unicode menus. Doing so 
will cause empty values for all unicode items without tags.

===

Even though it sounds like it's only for "menubar" menus, tagging works for any 
type of menu. So you can use this knowledge to make the text:

My Silly Name That I Reuse For Everything/|1
My Subgroup/|2
My Silly Name That I Reuse For Everything/|3
My Silly Name That I Reuse For Everything/|4

And then your menupick will automagically get the 'tag' value as the line 
number; of course with sub-menus, you get a pipe-delimited list of tags, with 
the entire hierarchy.

So assuming that you change the text of your menu to the above style, your 
script could be something like:
##
on menuPick pItemTag
  set the itemDelimiter to "|"
  put the last item of pItemTag into tLineNumber
  ...
end menuPick
##

Menu tags also greatly simplify multilingual apps, as we can now just tag the 
items in our preferred language (or english, for consistency with the MacOSX 
presets) and work with the tag in our scripts.

Jan Schenkel
=
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=
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Rochefoucauld)


--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Richard Miller  wrote:
  

I have a pulldown button with data in
it that makes it act as a cascading menu. When the user
selects an item, I need to know which item has been
selected... not just the text, but the line number or some
other data that would let me know which item was selected,
so I can get more info about that item from an associated
database.

The problem I have is that many of the lines in the
cascading menu appear identical by name, though they are not
the same item. It's just that the label assigned by the user
is the same (they represent names of videos and the user
can name them any way they want, even though the actual file
names are different).

Any given line in the menu may be 5-10 words long... which
as it is, makes the menu rather wide. I could add an
identifying tag after each line [ such as (1), (2), etc.],
but that's not very elegant (but perhaps the only
solution).

I tried using:

put the selectedlines of me
put the menuhistory of me

But these don't seem to work with cascading menus.

Any tricks here that would give me the line number
selected?

Thanks.
Richard Miller





  
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Re: Pasting formatted text into Rev fields not possible on OS X

[François Chaplais]

do you work on Windows? In 
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8428, comment 6 says that 
RTF is not used for pasting in Mac OS X.

best
François
Le 13 nov. 2009 à 08:21, gmccarthy a écrit :

> 
> 
>> has anyone observed the difference between optical size of of fonts
>> between rev and other apps in OS X?
>> There does not seem to be an entry for this in qacenter.
>> 
> 
> Yes, this was the whole point of my initial report.  bug 7331
> I put it in terms of teh rtfText is actually different so the so called
> optical size is obviously different.
> 
> There are now 5 bug reports for more problems associated with rtfText
> problems
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7331
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7334
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7985
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8428
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7609
> 
> 
> To observed optical difference that people are noticing is due to the actual
> difference in the rtfText values.
> 
> See http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7331
> for specific details of the rtfText translation problem and a stack for
> demonstrating the rtfText translation problems.
> Also note the optical differences by dragging the image from teh lower left
> corner over the field to see that the text is actually different in size.



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Re: AW: AW: AW: OT: what is "AW", was: revlet not only on on-rev? was: some HD fun (Klaus on-rev)

[Luis]

Hiya,

Before I apologised to everyone for incorrectly advising them that  
'Re' was short for 'Regarding' and 'Referencing' I checked Wiktionary:


http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/re

So it goes both ways, Re re.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 13 Nov 2009, at 08:42, David Glasgow wrote:

And "re" is not an abbreviation of English "regarding" or "reply"  
but a Latin word meaning "by the thing" (which follows).  Aside  
from in email replies, the most common use is in the law, where  
cases regarding children will be anonymised to a letter and be  
reported "Re B"


(Sorry to be a trifle nerdy, but I do a lot of courtwork)

David Glasgow

On 12 Nov 2009, at 10:30 pm, Jacques Haussewrote:


Hi,

I did never notice... Do I guess right ?

if people from California or Germany answer "Rép:" on my Swiss- 
french Mac, that means they are also using Apple's mail ? Well,  
they are a large majority...


Jacques

Le 12 nov. 2009 à 19:09, Klaus on-rev a écrit :


Hi Tiemo,


And Apple's Mail doesn't speak german? ;)


it DOES, but in a bit more sophisticated way.
"RE" might stand for "Replik", gelle?! :-D


Best

Klaus
--
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http://www.major-k.de
kl...@major.on-rev.com



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Re: Revolution Media 4.x and Revolution Player 3.x

[Luis]

Hiya,

The Player makes distribution easier, as in there not being a need to  
download and install revMedia in order to see the stacks: Slaps the  
stacks onto a USB stick with the Player and can show it off to anyone  
without having to get them to 'have to' install revMedia.


Cheers,

Luis.


On 12 Nov 2009, at 20:32, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


Jan Schenkel wrote:

With revMedia 4.0 being free, why would we still need a Player?
The whole idea of giving revMedia away for free, is to let  
everyone share in the fun - running stacks, deploying them in  
webpages and letting others take them apart without the ability to  
password-protect your scripts.
Don't panic, revStudio and revEnterprise can still password- 
protect scripts and these stacks will work just fine in revMedia.  
But revMedia is about sharing with the rest of the world, and  
getting more people to try out the revPlatform for themselves.




I can think of one reason why one might want a Player:

Imagine a cash-strapped teacher designing a stack with revMedia;

they might think it a bit too much to expect students to go through
the whole jingbang of registering for revMedia, downloading it
and installing it a bit of a clunky way to deliver a "quick-n-dirty"
educational "media-bite".

this might also be applied in situations where there are a number of
students with computers who do not have internet access (this, oddly
enough, is always overlooked when these arguments come up).

A Player/Runner + stack will have less of a footprint than revMedia
+ stack

As an advocate of equipping the under-privileged in this world with
old computers I believe that a Player/Runner is essential; especially
one that will run stacks on forms of Linux.

-- 
-

To personalise this I would like to point out that, while I own
Rev Studio 4 it does not work on my Pentium 3s running Ubuntu 5.10;
nor does revMedia 4.

I have yet to find out how standalones made with 4 'do' on these  
computers;


It may well be that they are just too RAM-hungry to function;

a Player/Runner might solve this problem.
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Re: Problems trying to use SQLite functions in a SELECT statement

[Jan Schenkel]

Hi Peter,

Which version of rev are you using when you experience this problem? Rev 4.0 
ships with the latest driver for SQLite3 - but previous versions were lagging a 
bit.

Also, do you have an example to upload somewhere so we cant take a look at your 
database structure and code?

Jan Schenkel
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"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La 
Rochefoucauld)


--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Peter Haworth  wrote:

> From: Peter Haworth 
> Subject: Problems trying to use SQLite functions in a SELECT statement
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:11 AM
> Some time ago, I experienced problems
> trying to get revQueryDatabase to process a SELECT statement
> that included the SQLite substr function - rev QueryDatabase
> failed with the ubiquitous "Missing database ot SQL error"
> message.  The same statement, cut and pasted into
> either the Sqlite3 command line tool or the Firefox SQLite
> Manager extension worked perfectly.  At the time I was
> able to work around the problem within my rev code.
> 
> I'm now running into the same problem trying to use the
> SQLite group_concat function - revQueryDatabase fails, same
> statement works fine in sqlite3/Firefox extension. 
> Also tried revDataFromQuery which also failed. This time, it
> will be a major hassle to write code within my application
> to work around this.
> 
> It would appear that the rev database handlers cannot deal
> with certain SQlite functions.  Some of the core
> functions such as max, min, round seem to work (haven't
> tried them all), The date and Time functions also seem to
> work OK.  Even some of the aggregate functions (which
> is where group_concat is listed) such as sum, count, avg
> work OK.   But substr and group_concat
> definitely cause problems. If that is the case it's a major
> oversight/bug/problem in my opinion.
> 
> Has anyone else run into this issue and perhaps found a
> workaround? Would it be possible, for example, to run
> sqlite3 from within rev, pass it the SELECT statement and
> somehow get the results back?
> 
> Pete Haworth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Revolution Media 4.x and Revolution Player 3.x

[Jan Schenkel]

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Dom  wrote:
> Jan Schenkel  wrote:
> 
> > With revMedia 4.0 being free, why would we still need
> a Player?
> 
> Agreed -- but with a caveat:
> you talk of persons who are computer-litterate...
> 
> Think about a person, scared with computers, to which you
> give a
> stack... and ?
> a whole development package??
> 
> Or a classroom, as Richmond says!
> 
> Maybe, also, the question is beginning to go obsolete --
> who, nowadays,
> still gives stacks to other persons? on a disc*, perhaps?
> 
> A bunch of years ago, I put some HyperCard (and MetaCard)
> stacks on the
> web, along with a "Player" or StackRunner (before the epoch
> where an
> official one was available)
> 
> It seems to that RunRev is going to evolve to the net --
> and it's good
> :-)
> Sure, with a revlet immediately available on the net, there
> is no need
> for a Player ;-)
> 
> * Apple recently clarified the difference between a "disc"
> and a "disk"
> ;-)
> 

While I agree with you in priciple thata a pure player environment is safest 
for computer users without technical knowledge, revMedia is not that different 
from the original HyperCard setup. I don't think double-clicking or going to 
the File menu to Open a stack, is that difficult to grasp.
Now for deployment, a revlet is fine in an internet-connected world - and you 
can even send people a zip archive with an html page and a revlet that they can 
run offline, as long as the have the revWeb plugin. And you can still buy 
revStudio/revEnterprise if you want to build standalone applications.

Jan Schenkel
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Re: AW: AW: AW: OT: what is "AW", was: revlet not only on on-rev? was: some HD fun (Klaus on-rev)

[David Glasgow]

And "re" is not an abbreviation of English "regarding" or "reply" but  
a Latin word meaning "by the thing" (which follows).  Aside from in  
email replies, the most common use is in the law, where cases  
regarding children will be anonymised to a letter and be reported "Re B"


(Sorry to be a trifle nerdy, but I do a lot of courtwork)

David Glasgow

On 12 Nov 2009, at 10:30 pm, Jacques Haussewrote:


Hi,

I did never notice... Do I guess right ?

if people from California or Germany answer "Rép:" on my Swiss- 
french Mac, that means they are also using Apple's mail ? Well,  
they are a large majority...


Jacques

Le 12 nov. 2009 à 19:09, Klaus on-rev a écrit :


Hi Tiemo,


And Apple's Mail doesn't speak german? ;)


it DOES, but in a bit more sophisticated way.
"RE" might stand for "Replik", gelle?! :-D


Best

Klaus
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http://www.major-k.de
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Re: OT: what is "AW"

[Dom]

Jacques Hausser  wrote:

> if people from California or Germany answer "Rép:" on my Swiss-french Mac,
> that means they are also using Apple's mail ? Well, they are a large
> majority...

Héhé... je n'avions point vu cela !
Ici, sur mon Mail fr-fr ;-) la réponse est précédée d'un ... "Réf. : "
!! Encore pire ;->

Nope, I didn't saw that!
Here, on my fr-fr Mail ;-) the answer (response?) is preceded by a ...
"Réf. : " !! That's worse ;->

That's an interessant discussion...
The tool one uses affect their insight ;-)
[if you only have a hammer...]

I'm using a news reader to read the mailing lists, as you can see in the
message headers, it is "MacSOUP", an old remnant of times before Mac OS
X!
* by the way, note that the author is a German -- and he still uses the
"Re: " scheme to answer ;-))
MacSOUP is superior to other news readers, in that one can _see_ a
graphic visualisation ot the discussion threads!

And also see how Mail clients* often break the threads ;->
and explain why sometimes a guy suddenly debuts a new discussion in the
middle of another!

* not to speak of web clients ;->>

-- 


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