Re: My naming convention
Hello Francis, Le 10 juil. 2010 à 19:44, Francis Nugent Dixon a écrit : Wonderful ! I have never seen so many complex naming conventions that I am sure you don't follow. If I bothered to think about naming conventions it is obviously to use it... If you do, then it is for who ? If it is for you, this means that your organizational solutions prime upon your script development and production. What a waste of grey matter ! I don't think this is a waste... It is a gain rather. I code for myself. During 22 years I made many tools for my job (économiste de la construction / ≈ quantity surveyor). I started with HyperCard... Now, I sometimes modify and improve stacks 20 years old. Anything that can help me understand what I have thought, or wanted to do when I was 20 years younger is welcome. In the beginning: no comment, no conventions, no method. As to the years, I learned, particularly on this list, organize my scripts could get great service. In 5 minutes, you can write a button script to list out Variable and Field Names, to ensure that you don't invent duplicate names. I will definitely scare you by telling that I spend 3-4 hours to draw an icon for a button and sometimes several days to find the best aesthetic solution to an interface. Revolution scripting is not to be pondered upon. Just write it, as it flows out of your brain. Forget naming conventions, and spend a little time with comments. It beats naming conventions every day. If anybody will ever read it except you ! Worse still, I think my code should be beautiful (peut-être suis-je un grand malade ?). The great masters of the Go say that regardless of winning if the way is not elegant and appearance of the plate at the end of the game is as important as winning. I have also comment conventions ! I think being definitely incurable ;-) I spent years (with Hypercard) inventing a simple and strict naming convention WHICH I MYSELF RENAGUE ON EVERY DAY ! Since I have structured my scripting, I made great progress. In 2 months I stop working (la retraite), and I'm going to devote myself to my personal projects. The most complex, currently, Exagofon has 1 card, 626 controls. That make music in real time with settings for velocity, tempo, mixing 5 voices, harmonization (chords, frequencies), transposition, and so on... Without naming, comments, structure I don't think it could work. But I think it is necessary but not obligatory... Bon souvenir de Paris René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Language learning stacks
I've got a page set up on iGoogle that has various back and forth translators between different languages I know or am interested in. It's pretty quick and easy, adding a Rev interface wouldn't save me much, I don't think. Google's translation isn't a tool I would completely rely on for learning a language. It is really, really great though for getting the gist of a piece of text when an accurate word-for-word translation isn't that necessary. Try doing a translation of pieces of text from English into another language, then take that result and then try to re-translate it back into English. The results are...sometimes interesting, disturbing - entertaining. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Language learning stacks
On Sat Jul 10, 2010, Mark Swindell mdswindell at cruzio.com wrote: Has anyone developed any vocabulary/ language learning stacks in Rev? Seems like an apt application for the tool, but I didn't see anything in revOnLine. Picture dictionary type things with rollovers for different languages? Remember those First Thousand Words books with contextualized drawings showing vocabulary for the kitchen, barnyard, garden, etc.? We had been discussing such things on this list - and the education-revolution list http://mail.runrev.com/pipermail/education-revolution/ (last entry Feb 2007) - when Marielle Lange was still with us. At our institutution we are using a set of language exercises Language Suite developed with Metacard/Revolution. The format of the exercises is more traditional , having a distant similarity to the language programs of Wida Software http://www.wida.co.uk/noframes/index.htm. Our Language Suite has until now not been released publicly. Maybe we should present some examples in the near future. An overview of the Language Suite - although only in German - can be found here http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/LanguageSuite.htm. Among the exercises are such based on the cloze principle with fill-in and drag.and-drop variants, other types of text reconstruction (scrambled paragraphs, lines, words - along with the old Sequitur format (originally developed on the C 64) where a text is complemented by adding the next line being chosen from 4 multiple-choice lines), and a number of word-based exercises (words and definitions in the same language, bi-lingual word exercises, multiple-choice and memory formats).-- A number of language-learning related stacks - not belonging to the Language Suite - can be found and downloaded from my website http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia, but I am not sure whether these stacks run flawlessly with the newer versions of Rev. There are meant as sample stacks for students who engage in educational programming. Other stacks were reactions to specific discussions on this list. Examples. - http://www.sanke.org/Software/Animals-drag.zip Drag-and-drop exercise with animal pictures and translations of the corresponding names. - http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImageAndWords.zip Learning words through pictures in five different versions: Wordshow, Move and Click, Test and Learn, Test with Loop, Final Test. Basic part of the stack is an image with polygon overlays corresponding to the outlines of objects. Mode Test with Loop is an example for an instructional programs that allows the repetition of unsolved problems. - http://www.sanke.org/Software/MultipleChoice.zip This stacks contains 7 different formats of multiple-choice questions, arranged in incremental steps from a primitive version with fixed positions of solution and distractors (which should be avoided by all means) to a version with flexible positioning with the option to choose the number of problems from a repertoire and a loop for unsolved problems. After all problems have been worked on, the user gets the option to try the wrong problems once more etc. Thus the programs adapts to the individual needs of the user. - http://www.sanke.org/Software/SimpleWordScramble.zip A simple word-scramble exercise with various forms of learner support and the possibility to edit the lexicon. - http://www.sanke.org/Software/HypertextAnnotations.zip Two versions of annotations using linkclicked or clicktext. Clicking on words set to bold or link will display an annotation field near the word containing additional information (translation, definition etc.). The annotated words are defined in a glossary field. - http://www.sanke.org/Software/Wordmatch.zip The main purpose of this stack is to demonstrate how the findings of the discussion in thread Dynamic labels for buttons with (oddshaped) icon images? on the use-revolution list in Feb 2009 could be applied to a practical example. From the two help buttons: Drag a green button with mousedown to one of the yellow frames. If the label of the red button to the right of the frame is the correct translation, the dragged button will move into the frame on mouseup. If it is incorrect, then the dragged button will return to its former place. Button vocabulary randomly selects six pairs of matching words from the hidden field Lexicon. Button repeat distributes the currently selected matching words differently to allow further training with the same words, thus eliminating the so-called position effect.- Kind regards, Wilhelm Sanke, Prof. emeritus University of Kassel, Germany Educational Technology http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Pink Elephants MC Tutorial
Hey folks, I'm wondering if there might be a copy of the old MetaCard demo stack available for download anywhere? I was playing around this morning, ended up at the old MetaCard site and started thinking about pink elephants for some silly reason... ;-) Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Language learning stacks
Hi Mark, I have created a set of stacks that help teachers to set up exercises in Arabic and I created a number of dictionaries in Arabic, Chinese and Japanese. I also managed to make RunRev speak Chinese on a Windows PC. Unfortunately, these projects not freely available. If you would like more info, you can ask me off-list. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce On 11 jul 2010, at 06:25, Mark Swindell wrote: Has anyone developed any vocabulary/ language learning stacks in Rev? Seems like an apt application for the tool, but I didn't see anything in revOnLine. Picture dictionary type things with rollovers for different languages? Remember those First Thousand Words books with contextualized drawings showing vocabulary for the kitchen, barnyard, garden, etc.? Just curious, as I'm studying Italian at present and thought of creating something for myself, but don't feel I have the energy to put towards it. There are some things online, but nothing of particularly good quality. Good, coherent artwork would be a real issue, even with the abundance of free clip-art online, it would be fragmented and of questionable quality. Thanks Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
I'm using no naming convention. I develop stacks with no variables, no handlers and no functions. I only put objects in a card, drawing circles, rectangles and other complex forms. That's way I have never bugs in my stacks. The next I have to understand now is why, when I'm clicking on a button, nothing happens! -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Language learning stacks (an addition)
A couple of years ago someone from this list had presented a language-learning stack with various exercise formats. Unfortunately I forget the author and the name of the stack. It must be hidden somewhere on my harddisks, presumably on my old G3 Mac. I think the stack had been available under Third party contributions from one of the RunRev sites (the FTP one?). Kevin (our CEO) had been enthusiastic about the stack and called it to be something like the coming flagship of Runtime Revolution. This also points to the fact that at least at that time the Rev team had a genuine interest in educational software. As a new product, the structure and features of the stack needed of course to be discussed, e.g. in the multiple-choice section you would find only fixed-position distractors - a fault you usually would learn to avoid in the first session of a workshop on educational programming. Otherwise the stack - as far as I remember - in my opinion had a real potential to be enhanced further. Maybe Kevin could dig out the stack from the RunRev archives and offer it to a group or an individual from this list as a basis for further development? Regards, Wilhelm Sanke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Language learning stacks
Yeah, i've messed with several of the online tools translating blocks of text as well as websites back and forth. In a way it reminds me of the experiment where you take a group of 5 people, send 4 out of the room and relate a simple story to the 5th. Then bring in each in turn so that they can relate the story one person to another till the last has heard it. By the time it gets to the 5th retelling it has no resemblance to the original story. Online translations seem to have this affect, the more engines you run it through the more off kilter it gets. Not quite the theory behind my experiment though. I remember learning to read as a kid where as in the OP you learn a basic set of words and learn them well. At which point you read. And read and read some more. At some point a boundary is crossed where new words can be learned (within reason) by context, and the key to further progress is how much you read. I'm using the same theory to try and reach a critical reading mass. Instead of having whole block translations I've been trying to pick things that are slightly beyond my current reading level. (hard to do when my level os so low, but strangely enough recipes seem to be a good fit) Any time I hit a word or sentence I just can't manage, click a word here and there to get their google translation, and most times its close enough to get me over the hump so I can keep reading. The fewer words I use google for the better off so that hopefully it becomes easier to pick up idioms and a more natural flow. However, this is all completely theoretical since at this time. Have just been making a beginning. Anyone who reads lots can -grok- this idea. A word, even made up, becomes infused with it's context. Just ask Mr Heinlen. Having said all this? I'm surely learning that there is a minimum facility level with the language required for things to work this way, and i'm not yet up to that level in spanish or any language other than english. So the concept of the a first 1000 words is most likely what I need to cross some learning boundaries. As it is i have enough difficulty with my native language! If nothing else, I recommend using recipes as one point of attack because there is an implicit context before one even begins to read. Add in the repeated usage of common food items and cooking concepts and they're relatively easy to get a handle on. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: I've got a page set up on iGoogle that has various back and forth translators between different languages I know or am interested in. It's pretty quick and easy, adding a Rev interface wouldn't save me much, I don't think. Google's translation isn't a tool I would completely rely on for learning a language. It is really, really great though for getting the gist of a piece of text when an accurate word-for-word translation isn't that necessary. Try doing a translation of pieces of text from English into another language, then take that result and then try to re-translate it back into English. The results are...sometimes interesting, disturbing - entertaining. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
On 07/11/2010 04:08 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: I'm using no naming convention. I develop stacks with no variables, no handlers and no functions. I only put objects in a card, drawing circles, rectangles and other complex forms. That's way I have never bugs in my stacks. The next I have to understand now is why, when I'm clicking on a button, nothing happens! I was mowing the grass in our garden yesterday when a small mollusc slithered out from under a stone and said, in a portentious voice there are never bugs in my stacks. At which point a small back beetle crawled out from under the same stone and said Wanna bet, bud? Q.E.D. I rest my case. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Go to a web page automatically
Tim Selander wrote: Using the on-rev.com server scripting, is there a ?rev command that will open a specified web page? 'launch' URL didn't seem to do it for me. To send the client's browser to a different page after processing their request in a CGI, I have the CGI include this line: put location: http://www.domain.com/page.htmlcrcr Given the similarities between the CGI and RevServer engines, I would expect that to work in RevServer. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Go to a web page automatically
Richard, put location: http://www.domain.com/page.htmlcrcr On the on-rev.com revserver, put url http://www.domain.com/page.html; works fine while put location: http://www.domain.com/page.htmlcrcr don't. Best, Pierre -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Language learning stacks
Wilhelm, The MC stack below using the polygon tool shapes is pretty much an example of the concept I was wondering about... thank you for sharing it. Mark - http://www.sanke.org/Software/MultipleChoice.zip On Sat Jul 10, 2010, Mark Swindell mdswindell at cruzio.com wrote: Has anyone developed any vocabulary/ language learning stacks in Rev? Seems like an apt application for the tool, but I didn't see anything in revOnLine. Picture dictionary type things with rollovers for different languages? Remember those First Thousand Words books with contextualized drawings showing vocabulary for the kitchen, barnyard, garden, etc.? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Language learning stacks
I recall a linguistics professor years ago telling the story of the supercomputer translator going from English to Russian and back again. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak came back as The vodka is good but the meat is rotten. :) No, it's not reliable in any absolute sense, but it is very useful once you have an adequate knowledge base in the languages you are translating to and from. For single words it is quick and lists synonyms/approximate equivalents in various forms. For short phrases it gets you in the ballpark with verb forms and tenses. But to lean on it unquestioningly would be linguistic suicide, you're right. Still, it's an invaluable tool for my current needs. I deleted all the widgets on the iGoogle page and added in multiple copies of the translator, each set to a different translating direction (Eng/Ital., Ital/Eng, Span/Ital, Ital/Span, Eng/Span, Span/Eng). With this setup I just open the page and can quickly cross reference words and phrases. Some translation directions definitely work better than others. Mark On Jul 11, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Google's translation isn't a tool I would completely rely on for learning a language. It is really, really great though for getting the gist of a piece of text when an accurate word-for-word translation isn't that necessary. Try doing a translation of pieces of text from English into another language, then take that result and then try to re-translate it back into English. The results are...sometimes interesting, disturbing - entertaining. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
:-) Le 11 juil. 2010 à 15:08, zryip theSlug a écrit : I'm using no naming convention. I develop stacks with no variables, no handlers and no functions. I only put objects in a card, drawing circles, rectangles and other complex forms. That's way I have never bugs in my stacks. The next I have to understand now is why, when I'm clicking on a button, nothing happens! -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pink Elephants MC Tutorial
On Sun Jul 11, 2010, David C. davidocoker at gmail.com wrote: Hey folks, I'm wondering if there might be a copy of the old MetaCard demo stack available for download anywhere? I was playing around this morning, ended up at the old MetaCard site and started thinking about pink elephants for some silly reason... ;-) Best regards, David C. You can get it from here: http://www.sanke.org/Software/mcdemo2.mc The stack runs both under the Metacard and Rev IDE. Its author was a creative chap named Kevin Miller, at that time a young cooperator with Scott Raney, the inventor of Metacard. Maybe we should persuade Kevin to develop a new version for Revolution introducing us to most of the features of Revolution in an entertaining way. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
answer file and windows 7
Hello, It's the first time that i post a message to the list :-s I'm french and my english is deplorable, sorry I have problems with the command answer file and windows 7. It have no effect!?! my code is : answer file Selectionnez un questionnaire : with questionnaires/ with type Text|txt Can you help me? Thank you. Cordialement, Olivier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: answer file and windows 7
Olivier- Sunday, July 11, 2010, 10:35:09 AM, you wrote: Hello, It's the first time that i post a message to the list :-s Welcome. I'm french and my english is deplorable, sorry I have problems with the command answer file and windows 7. It have no effect!?! my code is : answer file Selectionnez un questionnaire : with questionnaires/ with type Text|txt Can you help me? Thank you. Your English is fine. Much better than my deplorable French. Does this do what you want? set the defaultFolder to questionnaires answer file Selectionnez un questionnaire : with type Text|txt -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
zryip theSlug wrote: I'm using no naming convention. I develop stacks with no variables, no handlers and no functions. I only put objects in a card, drawing circles, rectangles and other complex forms. That's way I have never bugs in my stacks. The next I have to understand now is why, when I'm clicking on a button, nothing happens! The problem is that you are not thinking hard enough about what should happen. Rev is telepathic and you need to concentrate. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
2010/7/11 J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com: The problem is that you are not thinking hard enough about what should happen. Rev is telepathic and you need to concentrate. The last time I tried, I squinted during 2 months, which is very disabling for a slug. -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pink Elephants MC Tutorial
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.de wrote: Hey folks, I'm wondering if there might be a copy of the old MetaCard demo stack available for download anywhere? I was playing around this morning, ended up at the old MetaCard site and started thinking about pink elephants for some silly reason... ;-) Best regards, David C. You can get it from here: http://www.sanke.org/Software/mcdemo2.mc The stack runs both under the Metacard and Rev IDE. Its author was a creative chap named Kevin Miller, at that time a young cooperator with Scott Raney, the inventor of Metacard. Maybe we should persuade Kevin to develop a new version for Revolution introducing us to most of the features of Revolution in an entertaining way. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke Thank you, Wilhelm! It seem to run just fine, but many of the graphics (including the elepahant ) must have been stored as files instead of embedded into the stack because they never appear on screen. Still though, it's fun to see the demo again. :) Heh, I never knew that Kevin was the author... that's really cool! (Thanks Kevin!) Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pink Elephants MC Tutorial
On Sun Jul 11, 2010, David C. davidocoker at gmail.com wrote: Thank you, Wilhelm! It seem to run just fine, but many of the graphics (including the elepahant ) must have been stored as files instead of embedded into the stack because they never appear on screen. Still though, it's fun to see the demo again. :) Heh, I never knew that Kevin was the author... that's really cool! (Thanks Kevin!) Best regards, David C. Hello David, what was missing was a folder demo that contains all the graphics and one video. I have now bundled this folder and the mcdemo2 stack and uploaded it to http://www.sanke.org/Software/MC-Demo.zip. Best thing to do, put the stack and folder into the same folder where the Rev or Mc engine is located. Works even with Rev 4.5-dp3, but you will see the whole design has sort of a historical quality. This surely does not detract from the overall inventive and attractive format. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: My naming convention
Hi from Beautiful Brittany (although we will have rain in two days !) Richmond : I agree with you (mostly) David C : Thanks for that comment! It's gratifying. Rene Micout (excuse me if I wax into French) : Je ne peux pas être plus en accord avec toi - Pour dire vrai, je voulais secouer le pommier. Bien sur je veux écrire le plus beau code du monde, et je sais que je serais depassé par beaucoup sur ce forum. Mais j'écris chaque script comme si on allait le publier dans le Monde (avec amour et fierté) pour personne (sniff !) Damien : As I haven't written programs in a REAL development environment for more than 20 years, I tend to forget that conventions ARE important. So I will give you that (freely !). I once had to update a program written by a novice (however intelligent), and it was his first program. He named all his variables starting with his wife, and proceeding through the whole of the family, before running out of names, and so using CHINESE names. Needless to say, I bailed out ! HOWEVER, without using a complex naming convention, and using only intelligent names, which after all, IS THE SIGN OF A RELATIVELY ORGANIZED MIND, I still reckon that a comment beats this system. After more than 40 years of programming, (20 for the business, and 20 for my pleasure), I still put a comment on practically EACH line of coding - although NOBODY will ever see them. I also remember writing my first professional program (1967 - in IBM 360 autocoder), and returning to the Document Library more than 12 months later, to replace my (what I thought) pathetic programming with a new version, 'cos I was so ashamed. Question ! How many of you out there would be ashamed to show your coding to others ? I know that I ALWAYS was ! This may be a vital question. I'm up to 4 cents now. I may go to 6 . ! -Francis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pink Elephants MC Tutorial
I have just run a search for mcdemo2.mc on my Mac and found 9 copies of it (seriously frightening; maybe they are having babies); so, if for some funny reason you cannot get Wilhelm's copy to work drop me an off-list line. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My naming convention
On 07/11/2010 11:15 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: snip As I haven't written programs in a REAL development environment What, pray tell, do you mean by a REAL development environment ? I hope that that does not imply that you think that RunRev is NOT . . . . snip Question ! How many of you out there would be ashamed to show your coding to others ? Err . . . where is the virtual confession box? Mind you, I don't know how anybody can be so full of themselves to pronounce absolution on us crappy coders. And what sort of penances are they going to be ladling out? I know that I ALWAYS was ! This may be a vital question. I'm up to 4 cents now. I may go to 6 . ! Probably 108 ! But leading all of us to the confession box may mean that you are storing up treasure in RunRev heaven like nobody's business. If you imagine that I am going to run around in a hairshirt or sackcloth and ashes just because my programming looks like a pig's breakfast you have another thing coming; especially as I have managed to put my oar in so many other places that when the time comes those who sort these sorts of things out are going to end up with bust scales because of my karmic backlog without even taking my ghastly coding into consideration . . . :) -Francis As you say you have largely given up coding I've heard there is a job going as the Torquemada of the coding police; as those happy chaps said many, many years ago http://people.csail.mit.edu/paulfitz/spanish/script.html Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition or The Comfy Chair . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
File lists
I need to get a list files in a folder and display it in a card field. The function the files doesn't detect OS X bundle-type files such as rtfd and Pages documents. Before I reinvent the wheel, does anyone have a script for getting a full file list that includes these special OS X files? And secondly, since answer file does include bundle-type files, shouldn't the files detect them too? Grumble. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
They're folders. On Jul 11, 2010, at 3:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I need to get a list files in a folder and display it in a card field. The function the files doesn't detect OS X bundle-type files such as rtfd and Pages documents. Before I reinvent the wheel, does anyone have a script for getting a full file list that includes these special OS X files? And secondly, since answer file does include bundle-type files, shouldn't the files detect them too? Grumble. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
On 07/11/2010 11:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I need to get a list files in a folder and display it in a card field. The function the files doesn't detect OS X bundle-type files such as rtfd and Pages documents. Before I reinvent the wheel, does anyone have a script for getting a full file list that includes these special OS X files? And secondly, since answer file does include bundle-type files, shouldn't the files detect them too? Grumble. You may well grumble . . . :) I just tried this: put the folders into fld fFILES pointing at the default folder Revolution is listed as 'Revolution.app' all the folder folders (cough) don't have that suffix; so all you need to do now is set up a script to list files and append all the folders that end with the suffix .app to it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
On 07/11/2010 11:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I need to get a list files in a folder and display it in a card field. The function the files doesn't detect OS X bundle-type files such as rtfd and Pages documents. Before I reinvent the wheel, does anyone have a script for getting a full file list that includes these special OS X files? And secondly, since answer file does include bundle-type files, shouldn't the files detect them too? Grumble. Set up 2 fields: fFILES and fFOLDERS and pop this into a button: on mouseUp put empty into fld fFILES put empty into fld fFOLDERS put the files into fld fFILES put return after fld fFILES put the folders into fld fFOLDERS put the number of lines of fld fFOLDERS into vFOLDERLINES repeat with vCOUNT = 1 to vFOLDERLINES put line vCOUNT of fld fFOLDERS into sFOLDER if sFOLDER contains .app then put sFOLDER after fld fFILES put return after fld fFILES end if end repeat end mouseUp fairly crude; but what else can you expect in 10 mniutes. If you want to say Thank you, you can explain why one cannot copy paste from the script editor on Linux into anything! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
Folks, Bundles can have more extensions than just .app. Some bundles that I know: .app .bundle .kext .rtfd .webarchive All the iWork files are bundles (.pages, .key...) Dashboard Widgets are bundles too... I think the easiest way to detect bundles is to get the folders and treat any folder with an extension as a bundle. Cheers andre On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 07/11/2010 11:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I need to get a list files in a folder and display it in a card field. The function the files doesn't detect OS X bundle-type files such as rtfd and Pages documents. Before I reinvent the wheel, does anyone have a script for getting a full file list that includes these special OS X files? And secondly, since answer file does include bundle-type files, shouldn't the files detect them too? Grumble. Set up 2 fields: fFILES and fFOLDERS and pop this into a button: on mouseUp put empty into fld fFILES put empty into fld fFOLDERS put the files into fld fFILES put return after fld fFILES put the folders into fld fFOLDERS put the number of lines of fld fFOLDERS into vFOLDERLINES repeat with vCOUNT = 1 to vFOLDERLINES put line vCOUNT of fld fFOLDERS into sFOLDER if sFOLDER contains .app then put sFOLDER after fld fFILES put return after fld fFILES end if end repeat end mouseUp fairly crude; but what else can you expect in 10 mniutes. If you want to say Thank you, you can explain why one cannot copy paste from the script editor on Linux into anything! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
Andre Garzia wrote: Folks, Bundles can have more extensions than just .app. Some bundles that I know: .app .bundle .kext .rtfd .webarchive All the iWork files are bundles (.pages, .key...) Dashboard Widgets are bundles too... I think the easiest way to detect bundles is to get the folders and treat any folder with an extension as a bundle. I thought of that, but there isn't a good way to 1) know what all the extensions might be, and 2) find the extension. I have folders on my drive that have dots in their names, and they aren't bundles. I just spent some time looking at shell commands and I can't find one of those either. The ls command has lots of options but none that will separate out executable app folders from regular files. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
Jerry Daniels wrote: They're folders. I know. I need a way to find out which ones are executable and are, therefore, files. I don't want any real folders in my list. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
J. Landman Gay wrote: Jerry Daniels wrote: They're folders. I know. I need a way to find out which ones are executable and are, therefore, files. I don't want any real folders in my list. Oops. I meant which ones are *not* executable. This seems harder than it should be. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
Andre Garzia wrote: Folks, Bundles can have more extensions than just .app. What about checking for a plist inside the bundle? Would that be reliable? Do only apps have plists? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
Jacque- Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:13:57 PM, you wrote: I just spent some time looking at shell commands and I can't find one of those either. The ls command has lots of options but none that will separate out executable app folders from regular files. AFAIK every .app contains a /Contents/MacOS folder with an executable inside. You could check for that folder structure and then something inside it that isn't a directory but does have a -x flag set... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
If you want to say Thank you, you can explain why one cannot copy paste from the script editor on Linux into anything! Hello Jacque, It's not a Rev's script editor related problem ! To solve this, you need to tune the KDE (or Gnome, etc...) desktop manager clipboard (or, even quit it) to avoid keystoke problems that are locking your script editor's environment. Best, Pierre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] Step By Step 02 - Introduction to the Data Grid is on the road
Dear List, The Slug is happy to announce the availability of a new stack in the step by step collection. The Step by step 02 - Introduction to the datagrid presents: - What is a Datagrid table? - What is a Datagrid form? - What is a cell? - What is a row? - What is a template? - What is a behavior? - How to populate a grid with text or data? - What event for what usage? The tutorial stack contains a small lab to experiment the example and study script and templates. It is a different approach than the available lessons. The Trevor's lesson remains essential ;) I'm waiting your feedbacks to improve this first tutorial about the Datagrid object 8-) You can download the tutorial stack here: http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_phocadownloadview=categoryid=6:datagrid-step-by-stepItemid=63 A small preview of the stack is available here: http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/images/stories/Preview/sbs_datagrid_preview.png Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
Jacque, For your mac os x programming pleasure: Mac OS X identifies bundles using three ways [1]: The Finder considers a directory to be a package if any of the following conditions are true: * The directory has a known filename extension: .app, .bundle, .framework, .plugin, .kext, and so on. * The directory has an extension that some other application claims represents a package type; see “Document Packages.” * The directory has its package bit set. The preferred way to specify a package is to give the package directory a known filename extension. For the most part, Xcode takes care of this for you by providing templates that apply the correct extension. All you have to do is create an Xcode project of the appropriate type. Most bundles are also packages. For example, applications and plug-ins are typically presented as a single file by the Finder. However, this is not true for all bundle types. In particular, a framework is a type of bundle that is treated as a single unit for the purposes of linking and runtime usage, but framework directories are transparent so that developers can view the header files and other resources they contain. -- quoted from [1] I know that the developer tools comes with SetFile which allows you to set a directory as a bundle, maybe there's a way to checkout the package bit or something along the lines of an hypotetical isbundle? Andre [1] http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/CoreFoundation/Conceptual/CFBundles/AboutBundles/AboutBundles.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/1123i-CH100-SW1 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Andre Garzia wrote: Folks, Bundles can have more extensions than just .app. What about checking for a plist inside the bundle? Would that be reliable? Do only apps have plists? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
Based on information in the link below, I believe you can do getFileInfo -aB directoryname where -aB checks to see if the bundle attribute bit is set, unfortunately, according to information in the same page, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/121147/determine-if-a-directory-is-a-bundle-or-package-in-the-mac-os-x-terminal this will only work if the bundle attribute is set, but if its not the folder can still be considered a bundle. In my testing .app folders mostly do NOT have this bit set. If you look at the linked page though, there is more useful info that might help. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: Jacque, For your mac os x programming pleasure: Mac OS X identifies bundles using three ways [1]: The Finder considers a directory to be a package if any of the following conditions are true: * The directory has a known filename extension: .app, .bundle, .framework, .plugin, .kext, and so on. * The directory has an extension that some other application claims represents a package type; see “Document Packages.” * The directory has its package bit set. The preferred way to specify a package is to give the package directory a known filename extension. For the most part, Xcode takes care of this for you by providing templates that apply the correct extension. All you have to do is create an Xcode project of the appropriate type. Most bundles are also packages. For example, applications and plug-ins are typically presented as a single file by the Finder. However, this is not true for all bundle types. In particular, a framework is a type of bundle that is treated as a single unit for the purposes of linking and runtime usage, but framework directories are transparent so that developers can view the header files and other resources they contain. -- quoted from [1] I know that the developer tools comes with SetFile which allows you to set a directory as a bundle, maybe there's a way to checkout the package bit or something along the lines of an hypotetical isbundle? Andre [1] http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/CoreFoundation/Conceptual/CFBundles/AboutBundles/AboutBundles.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/1123i-CH100-SW1 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Andre Garzia wrote: Folks, Bundles can have more extensions than just .app. What about checking for a plist inside the bundle? Would that be reliable? Do only apps have plists? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
Andre Garzia wrote: Jacque, For your mac os x programming pleasure: Thanks. After staring at the problem all afternoon, I think I garbled my request due to Fuzzy Brain Syndrome. What I need is a list of both regular files and files that happen to be bundles, but does not include apps, system things, or user folders. In other words, a list of any file the user can double-click that would launch an app. I can filter out apps by checking their extension. Now I need to figure out how to remove user folders without removing bundles that are actually user files, like the ones iApps make. I got this far: function getFiles -- assume directory is already set put shell(ls -AF) into tFiles -- the A skips dot files filter tFiles without .* -- but it doesn't strip .DS_Store :( filter tFiles without *.app* -- remove apps repeat for each line l in tFiles if last char of l slash then -- normal file put l cr after tList else -- bundle or folder; remove user folders, keep files put l Contents/PkgInfo into tTestFile if there is a file tTestFile then -- iApp file put char 1 to -2 of l cr after tList else if VOODOO -- MAGIC FILE TEST -- MIRACULOUS IDENTIFICATION, ADD TO LIST end if end if end repeat return tList end getFiles Checking for the pkgInfo file also eliminates plugins and .bundle files, at least the ones I looked at. Not sure where to go from here, I need to catch .rtfd files and similar. The .rtfd folders just contain a bunch of regular files (and no Content folder,) which makes those bundles indistinguishable from a user folder if you're just looking at file paths. I just discovered the ls -F shell command, which is handy because it gives a list of everything, with folders marked by a trailing slash. That way you don't have to get the files and the folders separately and then combine them. I'll look at the link you and Mike Bonner mentioned, it does sound like I need to look at some file flags. But if anyone's done this already I'd love to freeload. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
Mike Bonner wrote: Based on information in the link below, I believe you can do getFileInfo -aB directoryname where -aB checks to see if the bundle attribute bit is set, That sounds promising. I've read up and see now that I'm looking for packages, not bundles, and that there's a difference. But Terminal tells me No manual entry for getFileInfo. Sigh. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
Pierre Sahores wrote (re: copy/paste in Linux script editor): It's not a Rev's script editor related problem ! To solve this, you need to tune the KDE (or Gnome, etc...) desktop manager clipboard (or, even quit it) to avoid keystoke problems that are locking your script editor's environment. Richmond, Peter, did either of you try this? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] Translating your Rev stacks into web apps
Fellow Rev developers, If you're like me, you have lots of stacks you've built over the years. Maybe you've wondered how they'd translate into standard web elements that could run on an iPad or desktop Chrome browser. We now have a tool for Revolution developers that will do this. Rodeo Transfer lets you translate and transfer Rev UI elements to the web so that they're viewable on any webkit-compliant browser like Safari or Chrome. Transfer is fast and slick. All those who are part of the Rodeo pre-release program will get Rodeo Transfer as part of their license. Any one else can download it from our site and watch it translate Rev objects. You do need a Rodeo account to see the translated objects on the web, however. What can it transfer? With today's release of Rodeo v1.3, Transfer can translate stacks, cards, buttons, fields, option menus, check boxes, radio buttons, images, and best of all, data grids--into good looking standard web elements. Graphic objects are next. How did all this happen so fast? We had a developer's conference on Saturday, June 26th. We thought it went well, but we underestimated the powerful impact it had on others. Within 48 hours, we were contacted by a Summit attendee who said: I'd like to match all of the Rodeo pre-release sales to date with a donation of the same magnitude. Want me to wire it to your bank account? We, of course, assented to the doubling of our revenues with an assurance of anonymity on the part of the donor. More than a large infusion of cash, we viewed this generous act as a significant vote of confidence for what we were doing and where we were going with Rodeo. So we got real inspired and added all those objects and properties along with Rodeo Transfer in two weeks. Here's what we've learned: 1. There are thousands of the brightest people on the planet working around the clock to improve the web's capabilities with HTML5, CSS3 and Javascript. As a result we're ahead of schedule with more features than we thought possible. 2. We have been told by several users that we have underpriced our product to the point where it won't be taken seriously. That was sort of embarrassing. 3. We learned that several Rodeo users are virtually transferring their businesses to Rodeo. The response to Transfer in a mere 24 hours has been overwhelming, but the Summit really got that ball rolling. So, we plan to have another Rodeo Summit this Saturday to go over some not-so-obvious talents that the Table object has yet to reveal--and some new features of Transfer that will make it very hard to resist. We also want to discuss pricing options and approaches with our users at the Summit to get feedback and validation. All of it, out in the open. The Window is Closing This leaves open a window of opportunity for those of you reading this post who have not adopted Rodeo. You can obtain a license for $89 USD, but only for a couple more weeks. The price of Rodeo will rise as its capabilities increase--and this will happen quicker than you may think. Rodeo Transfer will not be included in the release version of Rodeo, but become a separate, premium product with a real price tag. But pre-release buyers will get the whole kit and caboodle for $89 USD. As we say in Tejas: It's time to saddle up, partner. Videos: Rodeo Transfer: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-transfer-rev-stacks-become-web-apps Rodeo v1.3: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-v13-available-with-tables-check-boxes-r Summit Keynotes: http://rodeoapps.com/tag/keynote Best, Jerry Daniels Follow the Rodeo discussion: http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: File lists
On 07/12/2010 06:52 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Pierre Sahores wrote (re: copy/paste in Linux script editor): It's not a Rev's script editor related problem ! To solve this, you need to tune the KDE (or Gnome, etc...) desktop manager clipboard (or, even quit it) to avoid keystoke problems that are locking your script editor's environment. Richmond, Peter, did either of you try this? And there I was thinking RunRev just worked straight out of the box; obviously expecting too much. The 'funny' thing is that on Linux: 1. RunRev has problems picking up fonts, 1.1 problems with Unicode fonts that make them effectively useless, 2. This copy-paste situation, 3. A few more 'situations' that have slipped my mind just now. And precious few other, admittedly, Linux 'native, apps seem to have the same sort of problem. I think, tomorrow, when I have a spot of free time I am going to go back and play around with Metacard 2.5 for Linux and see whether those problems were there, or whether they have arisen subsequently; if the latter then, for instance, it might be not a bad thing to revert to the old script-editor. -- Hilarious bit follows. Yesterday, wanting to help Jacque with the folder listing problem I popped together a 'quick-n-dirty' stack on my Linux box with the script I quoted in my posting. Being a bit lazy I had no great desire to type the script into my e-mail client's write box; so to copy-paste it I had to: 1. Turn on my Mac, 2. Transfer the stack 'over the wire' to the Mac, 3. Open the stack with RunRev on the Mac, 4. Copy-paste the script into TextWrangler, 5. Save the TextWrangler doc on the Mac, 6. Transfer the document back to the Linux box, 7. Open the document with gEdit, 8. Copy-paste the text into my e-mail client. The whole procedure took me about twice the time it took me to write the script in the first place . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
