[OT: Linux Market Share]

[Peter Alcibiades]

http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html

Saw this today.  Martin is an intelligent well informed writer.  Its 
admittedly OT but maybe worth posting in view of recent discussions about 
the potential for the Linux flavor of Rev.

Peter
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[OT] Linux Mint rolling release

[Peter Alcibiades]

This may also be of interest to some of you or your customers.  The problem 
with Ubuntu has always been that it is not a rolling release.  Mint is a 
well regarded flavor of Ubuntu.  Well now the Mint guys have now released a 
Debian based version of Mint, and it is a rolling release.

http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/linux-mint-based-on-debian-released-and.html

May need a couple more point releases to get really smooth, but they will 
be there if they are not already in a couple of months.  Mint is a good 
team.

Peter
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Re: [OT: Linux Market Share]

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter Alcibiades wrote:


http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html

Saw this today.  Martin is an intelligent well informed writer.  Its
admittedly OT but maybe worth posting in view of recent discussions about
the potential for the Linux flavor of Rev.


Nice to see that - thanks for posting it.

For many years Mac folks have become aware of how common metrics which 
attempt to measure "market share" are often distorted in favor of 
Windows, and there the author does a good job of explaining how that 
dynamic applies to Linux as well.


It seems Google is among those Linux users, running their search engine 
with Ubuntu:


   These clusters all run a Google-optimized version of Ubuntu Linux,
   according to Google's open source programs manager Chris DiBona in
   a 2010 presentation at OSCON, an open-source developer conference.



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how to totally make Kevin's day

[Colin Holgate]

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html



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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Kevin Miller]

On 09/09/2010 14:33, "Colin Holgate"  wrote:

> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html

Consider my day made! Awesome.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Richard Gaskin]

Colin Holgate wrote:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html


Nice.  I'll bet that made John Gruber choke on his breakfast. ;)

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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Richmond]

On 09/09/2010 04:49 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Colin Holgate wrote:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html




Time to start saving up for RevMobile: I guess the faux leopard-skin posing
briefs will just have to wait!

I expect that after what has happened recently with Apple, RevMobile and 
so on, Kevin's face must be looking

a bit craggier, so he can do the

Clint Eastwood "Make my day!" quite effectively.

But, when all is said and done; looking at recent photos of Steve, Kevin 
looks one whole lot

healthier!

Here's to you, Kevin!

Love, Richmond.
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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Dave Cragg]

On 9 Sep 2010, at 15:11, Richmond wrote:

> Kevin's face must be looking a bit craggier,

I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Mark Swindell]

Fantastic news!

On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:33 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html
> 
> 
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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Andrew Kluthe]

Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[François Chaplais]

Le 9 sept. 2010 à 15:33, Colin Holgate a écrit :

> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html
> 
great!

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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Kevin Miller]

On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe"  wrote:

> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?

You bet!

Kind regards,

Kevin

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RE: Valentina for iPhone

[Lynn Fredricks]

Hi Stephen,

> Wasn't somebody asking about this recently? And it's FREE?
> 
> http://www.valentina-db.com/en/products/ivalentina-for-iphone

We haven't quite finished it yet, but its almost there. iValentina lets you
work with Valentina Server, performing many functions of the desktop
version, including server monitoring. Lots of screenshots and screen
explanations are up already in the documentation section.

This will work with both Valentina Office Server and also Valentina Embedded
Server. If you deploy embedded server to your customers, its particularly
nice because it lets you put server monitoring into your customer's hands at
no added cost.

This also shows the sort of things you can accomplish with the Valentina for
iPhone client library.

BTW, if you have an active Valentina Server and also an Apple iPhone
Developer account, and would like to test the beta, I can get that set up.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
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Re: [OT] Linux Mint rolling release

[David C.]

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Peter Alcibiades
 wrote:
> This may also be of interest to some of you or your customers.  The problem
> with Ubuntu has always been that it is not a rolling release.  Mint is a
> well regarded flavor of Ubuntu.  Well now the Mint guys have now released a
> Debian based version of Mint, and it is a rolling release.
>
> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/linux-mint-based-on-debian-released-and.html
>
> May need a couple more point releases to get really smooth, but they will
> be there if they are not already in a couple of months.  Mint is a good
> team.
>
> Peter

Thanks for the heads up, Peter!
I knew they had this in the works, but hadn't checked the status
lately been using Mint for a little over two years and really
enjoy it.  I *really* like the idea of the rolling release idea!

I'll grab a copy here in the next day or two and put it on my
"non-production" laptop for a test spin.

Best regards,
David C.
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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Richard Gaskin]

Adobe shareholders say "Thank you!":


Adobe Surges As Apple Says It Will Drop App Store Restrictions

Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Adobe Systems Inc. rose the most in almost 18 
months after Apple Inc. said it would drop restrictions on the use of 
development tools, such as those offered by Adobe, for its App Store.


Adobe shares rose 8 percent to $31.64 at 10:07 a.m. New York time in 
Nasdaq Stock Market trading, after gaining as much as 10 percent.





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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Marian Petrides]

Kevin

This is fantastic news!!  I only wish Apple had been more forthcoming earlier, 
so y'all wouldn't have had to waste all the time and money you did regrouping.  
I can't wait to get my grubby little mitts on RevMobile!!

What is going to happen with the conference that was once scheduled? (At this 
point, I can't even remember if it was cancelled or merely postponed).

Marian



On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe"  wrote:
> 
>> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
> 
> You bet!
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
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Re: Accessing Google Maps

[James Hurley]

-

Message: 9
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:00:58 +0200
From: Mark Schonewille 
Subject: Re: Accessing Google Maps
To: How to use Revolution 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Jim,

put "http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=safari&pwst=1&rls=en&q=1210+Chestnut+Ln,+Davis+Ca,+95616 
" into myUrl

launch url myUrl


Thanks Mark. That was indeed simple.

Do you have any suggestions on how I might make this cross platform?  
Works wonderfully well on the Mac, but I need the a new browser client  
for the PC, Internet Explorer?


What does this

 "http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=safari&pwst=1&rls=en&q=";

become on Windows?

Jim




On older versions of RunRev, use revGoUrl instead of launch url.

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On 8 sep 2010, at 19:55, James Hurley wrote:

I assume this is simple. I want to select an address from a list,  
say 1210 Cheastnut Ln, Davis Ca, 95616 from which I would construct  
the address for a Google map:


http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=safari&pwst=1&rls=en&q=1210+Chestnut+Ln,+Davis+Ca,+95616


How do I then open this url in Safari?

Thanks,

Jim





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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Mike Brown]

Very exciting!  Kudos to Kevin & the Rev team for keeping their calm during 
this uncertain period as well as keeping RevMobile's foot in the door for iOS 
development.


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On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Kevin
> 
> This is fantastic news!!  I only wish Apple had been more forthcoming 
> earlier, so y'all wouldn't have had to waste all the time and money you did 
> regrouping.  I can't wait to get my grubby little mitts on RevMobile!!
> 
> What is going to happen with the conference that was once scheduled? (At this 
> point, I can't even remember if it was cancelled or merely postponed).
> 
> Marian
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:
> 
>> On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
>> 
>> You bet!
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
>> RunRev - Software construction for everyone
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Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0

[Peter Haworth]

I have a variation on this behaviour I've noticed.

My main stack inserts some front scripts from another stack.  I  
recent;y needed to debug a problem in one of the front scripts that  
was called in the preOpenCard event of my main stack so set a  
breakpoint in the fornt script, quit Revolution and re-opened my main  
stack.  The breakpoint was ignored.  The only way I could get the  
breakpoint to trigger was to open the front script stack first, then  
open my applications main stack.


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Rev iOS apps are legal again

[FlexibleLearning]

Specifically 3.3.1 has removed the app porting restictions.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/apple-throws-developers-a-bone-relaxes-restric
tions-on-third-party-tools/38985?tag=nl.e539

Rev is back in the game.

Hugh
FLCo

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Re: Valentina for iPhone

[Ruslan Zasukhin]

On 9/9/10 6:23 PM, "Lynn Fredricks"  wrote:

> BTW, if you have an active Valentina Server and also an Apple iPhone
> Developer account, and would like to test the beta, I can get that set up.

Actually developer account is not required.
Only iphone ID.

We  want collect dozen vserver devs to give them beta.


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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Roger . E . Eller]

On 09/09/2010 at 11:18 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe"  wrote:
>
>> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
>
> You bet!
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin

Does this mean that all the Rev eggs are going back into the Apple basket?
I was so looking forward to making Android apps with Rev.

~Roger

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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[andr...@medone.ch]

Great news! We will be back in business :-)

Thank you, Kevin!

Kind regards

Andreas



Am 09.09.2010 um 19:13 schrieb roger.e.el...@sealedair.com:

> On 09/09/2010 at 11:18 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:
> 
>> On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
>> 
>> You bet!
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Kevin
> 
> Does this mean that all the Rev eggs are going back into the Apple basket?
> I was so looking forward to making Android apps with Rev.
> 
> ~Roger
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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[J. Landman Gay]

On 9/9/10 9:15 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:


On 9 Sep 2010, at 15:11, Richmond wrote:


Kevin's face must be looking a bit craggier,


I wouldn't wish that on anyone.


ROTFL! I thought I was the only one who could make jokes about my last 
name. :)


It's a good day for humor, I'm ecstatic.

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Closing Substack With Mouse Click

[Warren Kuhl]

What would be the best method to close a substack if I click a mouse button
anywhere outside of the substack card?

Warren
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Re: Closing Substack With Mouse Click

[Klaus on-rev]

Hi Warren,

> What would be the best method to close a substack if I click a mouse button
> anywhere outside of the substack card?

put this into the stack script

on suspendstack
  close this stack
end suspendstack

Hm, on the second thought I would rather:

on suspendstack
 if the environment <> "development" then close this stack
end suspendstack

:-)

> Warren

Best

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Hilite Text

[Warren Kuhl]

Is there anyway to hilite/dehilite (or reverse selection) multiple areas of
a text area?  I was hoping I could use textstyle, but this doesn't see like
an option.
*

set* the textstyle of selectedChunk() to ?

Warren
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Re: Closing Substack With Mouse Click

[Warren Kuhl]

Klaus,

Perfect...this worked great.  Thanks for your help!

Warren

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote:

> Hi Warren,
>
> > What would be the best method to close a substack if I click a mouse
> button
> > anywhere outside of the substack card?
>
> put this into the stack script
>
> on suspendstack
>  close this stack
> end suspendstack
>
> Hm, on the second thought I would rather:
>
> on suspendstack
>  if the environment <> "development" then close this stack
> end suspendstack
>
> :-)
>
> > Warren
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Andre Garzia]

Roger,

RevMobile will be released for Android as well. This was always the plan but
the fact that now, it will be officially able to work with iOS is a boon to
many here.

Now we're only missing WebOS, Symbian, Meego, Maemo, Windows Mobile and will
have total mobile world dominance. rsrsrsrsrs

I would be fine with just iOS, Android and Maemo.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM,  wrote:

> On 09/09/2010 at 11:18 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:
>
> > On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe"  wrote:
> >
> >> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
> >
> > You bet!
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Kevin
>
> Does this mean that all the Rev eggs are going back into the Apple basket?
> I was so looking forward to making Android apps with Rev.
>
> ~Roger
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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Marian Petrides]

Jackie
It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how 
Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer off 
because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the word 
somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?

So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  They 
live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation and the 
world.

Marian

On Sep 9, 2010, at 12:28 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/9/10 9:15 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:
>> 
>> On 9 Sep 2010, at 15:11, Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> Kevin's face must be looking a bit craggier,
>> 
>> I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
> 
> ROTFL! I thought I was the only one who could make jokes about my last name. 
> :)
> 
> It's a good day for humor, I'm ecstatic.
> 
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Re: Hilite Text

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Warren,

You can't select mutiple areas in a text, unless the field is a list field. 
Surely, you can set the textStyle of the selectedChunk. For example something 
like

set the backgroundcolor of the selectedChunk to red

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On 9 sep 2010, at 20:02, Warren Kuhl wrote:

> Is there anyway to hilite/dehilite (or reverse selection) multiple areas of
> a text area?  I was hoping I could use textstyle, but this doesn't see like
> an option.
> *
> 
> set* the textstyle of selectedChunk() to ?
> 
> Warren


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Re: Hilite Text

[Warren Kuhl]

Mark,

Thanks...that will work me me.  Apprecaite your help!

Warren

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Warren,
>
> You can't select mutiple areas in a text, unless the field is a list field.
> Surely, you can set the textStyle of the selectedChunk. For example
> something like
>
> set the backgroundcolor of the selectedChunk to red
>
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>
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>
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>
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> Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed.
>
> On 9 sep 2010, at 20:02, Warren Kuhl wrote:
>
> > Is there anyway to hilite/dehilite (or reverse selection) multiple areas
> of
> > a text area?  I was hoping I could use textstyle, but this doesn't see
> like
> > an option.
> > *
> >
> > set* the textstyle of selectedChunk() to ?
> >
> > Warren
>
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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[J. Landman Gay]

On 9/9/10 1:08 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

Jackie It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article
about how Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily
throwing a gamer off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay,
Georgia and that using the word somehow violated the TOS.  Say
what?


That happens to us all the time. My husband gets furious. He tries to 
order something online and the order form is rejected. Occasionally 
he'll use "Gray", but if payment is required that doesn't work because 
the order name doesn't match the name on his credit card.


I have been rejected from joining several online mailing lists and 
forums, and it is one of the main reasons I add my maiden name to my 
signature. Sometimes I concatenate the two names without a space, just 
to get access to various places.


I also receive an inordinate amount of spam about sexually-oriented 
groups and publications. But after 25 years of all this, it is better to 
retain a sense of humor and make jokes about it. One gets weary of 
fighting. I'm just thankful that caller ID has stopped all the 
nine-year-olds from making their anonymous phone calls to us at 3 AM.


And now back to our regularly scheduled celebrations.. :)

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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Richard Gaskin]

Roger.E.Eller wrote:


Does this mean that all the Rev eggs are going back into the Apple basket?
I was so looking forward to making Android apps with Rev.


At this point RunRev has two three going for their Android version:

1. They've put way too much into it at this point to let it lie still.

2. Over the last 6 months Android's rate of growth has exploded by 886% 
while iOS's has dropped from a high of 34% down to 23%:



3. Apple has demonstrated a willingness to change the rules of the game 
at any time regardless of how widespread the subsequent destruction will 
be.


Sure, after having put so much into iOS already, RunRev will see it 
through.


But will they put all their eggs in Apple's basket?

"Burn me once, shame on you.  Burn me twice, shame on you."

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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Kevin Miller]

On 09/09/2010 19:55, "Richard Gaskin"  wrote:

> At this point RunRev has two three going for their Android version:
> 
> 1. They've put way too much into it at this point to let it lie still.
> 
> 2. Over the last 6 months Android's rate of growth has exploded by 886%
> while iOS's has dropped from a high of 34% down to 23%:
>  up-886-globally/>
> 
> 3. Apple has demonstrated a willingness to change the rules of the game
> at any time regardless of how widespread the subsequent destruction will
> be.

All true.

Though I think that its going to be very hard for Apple to back out of this
one now. If the backlash before was bad enough to make them change their
minds think what it would be like if they did it again. I suspect they are
feeling the heat from competition in the Android space and have suddenly
decided that they need to keep developers on board.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[J. Landman Gay]

On 9/9/10 2:36 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:


Though I think that its going to be very hard for Apple to back out of this
one now. If the backlash before was bad enough to make them change their
minds think what it would be like if they did it again. I suspect they are
feeling the heat from competition in the Android space and have suddenly
decided that they need to keep developers on board.


When everything fell through this last spring, an ex-Apple employee told 
me he thought Apple would reverse its decision because, while the 
customers don't matter as much to Steve Jobs, the developers absolutely 
do. He predicted that developers would leave and Jobs would notice.


Apparently he was right, and I doubt very much that Apple can do another 
reversal on this decision.



Gleacher & Co analyst Brian Marshall said Apple was feeling huge 
pressure from app developers.


"What spurred this on was the uproar from the growing iOS developer 
base," Marshall said.






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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Brian Yennie]

FWIW, I still get emails from the beta program for Flash iPhone packager, and 
they are reporting that Flash apps have been getting approvals already today 
after many months stranded in the queue. I have a feeling Apple went back and 
"approved" a bunch in advance of this announcement.

> On 09/09/2010 19:55, "Richard Gaskin"  wrote:
> 
>> At this point RunRev has two three going for their Android version:
>> 
>> 1. They've put way too much into it at this point to let it lie still.
>> 
>> 2. Over the last 6 months Android's rate of growth has exploded by 886%
>> while iOS's has dropped from a high of 34% down to 23%:
>> > up-886-globally/>
>> 
>> 3. Apple has demonstrated a willingness to change the rules of the game
>> at any time regardless of how widespread the subsequent destruction will
>> be.
> 
> All true.
> 
> Though I think that its going to be very hard for Apple to back out of this
> one now. If the backlash before was bad enough to make them change their
> minds think what it would be like if they did it again. I suspect they are
> feeling the heat from competition in the Android space and have suddenly
> decided that they need to keep developers on board.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
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Re: [OT: Linux Market Share]

[David C.]

Just ran across an article that surely won't hurt the Linux community

http://tiny.cc/62wki


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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Bob Sneidar]

Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link to the article? 
I want to look into that. 

Bob


On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Jackie
> It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how 
> Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer off 
> because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the word 
> somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?
> 
> So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  
> They live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation and 
> the world.
> 
> Marian

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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Mark Wieder]

Bob-

Thursday, September 9, 2010, 2:36:07 PM, you wrote:

> Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link
> to the article? I want to look into that. 

Not that I necessarily believe everything I read on the web (even if
it's in color), but a simple Google search for "xbox ft gay" would
show you page after page of reports such as:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/205108/microsoft_suspends_xbox_gamer_for_living_in_fort_gay.html?tk=hp_new

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OT: Ft Gay, GA

[Marian Petrides]

Bob
I don't have it at the moment,  but it was in some gaming throw-away or maybe 
on a gaming website that I read in the last 24 hours.  If I find it, I'll send 
it on to you.

M
On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link to the 
> article? I want to look into that. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:
> 
>> Jackie
>> It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how 
>> Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer 
>> off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the 
>> word somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?
>> 
>> So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  
>> They live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation and 
>> the world.
>> 
>> Marian
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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

[Marian Petrides]

Actually, it was on MSNBC.  And the town is in WV not GA as I had incorrectly 
remembered.  Here's the link.

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/08/5071101-xbox-live-gamer-suspended-for-saying-he-lives-in-fort-gay


On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Bob
> I don't have it at the moment,  but it was in some gaming throw-away or maybe 
> on a gaming website that I read in the last 24 hours.  If I find it, I'll 
> send it on to you.
> 
> M
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link to the 
>> article? I want to look into that. 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:
>> 
>>> Jackie
>>> It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how 
>>> Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer 
>>> off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the 
>>> word somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?
>>> 
>>> So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  
>>> They live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation 
>>> and the world.
>>> 
>>> Marian
>> 
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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

[Bob Sneidar]

Yeah I finally found it myself. I figured it was a case of some software system 
throwing a flag combined with an outsource phone operator who only read from a 
script, but when I saw how far the guy had to go to resolve it, I was 
astounded! Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion, but that has 
nothing to do with any of this. To bounce the guy then stick to their guns even 
after they knew the truth of the situation speaks volumes about the largeness 
of Microsoft and their inflexibility when confronted with a situation that is 
out of the ordinary. 

BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)

Bob


On Sep 9, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Actually, it was on MSNBC.  And the town is in WV not GA as I had incorrectly 
> remembered.  Here's the link.
> 
> http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/08/5071101-xbox-live-gamer-suspended-for-saying-he-lives-in-fort-gay

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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

[Bob Sneidar]

Oh heh heh this was sent directly to me. I thought I was responding to the 
list. DOH. LOL! ;-)

Bob


On Sep 9, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Actually, it was on MSNBC.  And the town is in WV not GA as I had incorrectly 
> remembered.  Here's the link.
> 
> http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/08/5071101-xbox-live-gamer-suspended-for-saying-he-lives-in-fort-gay
> 
> 
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
> 
>> Bob
>> I don't have it at the moment,  but it was in some gaming throw-away or 
>> maybe on a gaming website that I read in the last 24 hours.  If I find it, 
>> I'll send it on to you.
>> 
>> M
>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> 
>>> Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link to the 
>>> article? I want to look into that. 
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:
>>> 
 Jackie
 It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how 
 Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer 
 off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using 
 the word somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?
 
 So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  
 They live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation 
 and the world.
 
 Marian
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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

[Jonathan Lynch]

Bob Sneider Said:

"Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion..."
"BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)"

Which would mean the people would be free to deride you. I think this is the
point where professionalism comes into play. You and I almost certainly have
hugely differing religious and social views, but I could still work with you
- just through simple professionalism. Surely this privately-run list serv,
with people from all walks of life, is run on the simple concept of
professionalism.

In my opinion, there is no need to start contentious religious and social
debates here.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> Yeah I finally found it myself. I figured it was a case of some software
> system throwing a flag combined with an outsource phone operator who only
> read from a script, but when I saw how far the guy had to go to resolve it,
> I was astounded! Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion, but that
> has nothing to do with any of this. To bounce the guy then stick to their
> guns even after they knew the truth of the situation speaks volumes about
> the largeness of Microsoft and their inflexibility when confronted with a
> situation that is out of the ordinary.
>
> BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
>
> > Actually, it was on MSNBC.  And the town is in WV not GA as I had
> incorrectly remembered.  Here's the link.
> >
> >
> http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/08/5071101-xbox-live-gamer-suspended-for-saying-he-lives-in-fort-gay
>
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ANN: PowerDebug

[Mark Wieder]

I've been holding off announcing this until the 4.5 launch, but I
think maybe I should go ahead and (pre)announce anyway. We've launched
PowerDebug for RunRev and MetaCard, an upgrade for the built-in
debugger/variable watcher/runtime error stacks. There's a trial
version on revOnline that is fully functional but will present
annoying nag screens (launching your browser) at random intervals to
encourage you to buy the unrestricted version (at a special launch
sale price). There's also a walkthrough of most of the features at

http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/PowerDebug/PDDemo.html

Yes, it will allow you to debug preOpenCard and resize handlers that
are otherwise out of reach. More features than I would care to take up
bandwidth listing here, including a nifty ExplainError() function to
help demystify those cryptic error codes. Works with/without tRev, so
you can do both debugging and decoding. Just about everything you
could ask for in an xtalk debugger.

...and (more preannouncing) soon you'll be able to trigger a virtual
breakpoint from a specified message issued by any script: something
calling DisplayAboutBox but you don't know where? Just set a virtual
breakpoint for that message and you'll be placed in the debugger with
the context of the caller.

http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/BuyPowerDebug.irev

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ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)

[Mark Wieder]

Pete-

Thursday, September 9, 2010, 9:24:50 AM, you wrote:

> I have a variation on this behaviour I've noticed.

> My main stack inserts some front scripts from another stack.  I  
> recent;y needed to debug a problem in one of the front scripts that
> was called in the preOpenCard event of my main stack so set a  
> breakpoint in the fornt script, quit Revolution and re-opened my main
> stack.  The breakpoint was ignored.  The only way I could get the  
> breakpoint to trigger was to open the front script stack first, then
> open my applications main stack.

You can't debug preOpenXXX handlers with the builtin debugger.
See my announcement of PowerDebug.

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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

[Bob Sneidar]

Hmmm... wasn't that the whole point of the thread? That Microsoft was 
specifically targeting someone for the dumb reason that they lived in a town 
called Gay because that might offend someone? I suppose I could then make the 
argument that this is how crazy things end up when we try to avoid everything 
offensive. Which is really what the thread was all about anyway. The only 
reason I mentioned my point of view on the subject was to demonstrate that even 
someone who thinks the way I do can see how stupid a policy it is, not to spark 
a debate. And by the way, can the rest of the world have that word back again? 
I think that used to belong to us. ;-)

Bob


On Sep 9, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

> Bob Sneider Said:
> 
> "Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion..."
> "BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)"
> 
> Which would mean the people would be free to deride you. I think this is the
> point where professionalism comes into play. You and I almost certainly have
> hugely differing religious and social views, but I could still work with you
> - just through simple professionalism. Surely this privately-run list serv,
> with people from all walks of life, is run on the simple concept of
> professionalism.
> 
> In my opinion, there is no need to start contentious religious and social
> debates here.

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Re: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)

[Neal Campbell]

I just call it from the message box. Its a bit manual but not oppressive.

Neal

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> Pete-
>
> Thursday, September 9, 2010, 9:24:50 AM, you wrote:
>
> > I have a variation on this behaviour I've noticed.
>
> > My main stack inserts some front scripts from another stack.  I
> > recent;y needed to debug a problem in one of the front scripts that
> > was called in the preOpenCard event of my main stack so set a
> > breakpoint in the fornt script, quit Revolution and re-opened my main
> > stack.  The breakpoint was ignored.  The only way I could get the
> > breakpoint to trigger was to open the front script stack first, then
> > open my applications main stack.
>
> You can't debug preOpenXXX handlers with the builtin debugger.
> See my announcement of PowerDebug.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwie...@ahsoftware.net
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Re: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)

[Mark Wieder]

Neal-

Thursday, September 9, 2010, 5:08:26 PM, you wrote:

> I just call it from the message box. Its a bit manual but not oppressive.

Ah, yes. The message box has its own special environment, and it can
trigger preOpenCard things because it's not trying to debug itself
while it's trying to open itself.

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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

[J. Landman Gay]

On 9/9/10 6:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

And by the way, can the rest of the world have that word back
again? I think that used to belong to us. ;-)


My husband keeps saying, "Our family had that name hundreds of years 
before they did."


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Re: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)

[J. Landman Gay]

On 9/9/10 5:30 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


You can't debug preOpenXXX handlers with the builtin debugger.


I'm pretty sure I did, but with a printed "breakpoint" line instead of a 
red dot in the side gutter. It's been a while though, maybe I'm 
misremembering.


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Re: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)

[Mark Wieder]

Jacque-

Thursday, September 9, 2010, 6:35:09 PM, you wrote:

> On 9/9/10 5:30 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

>> You can't debug preOpenXXX handlers with the builtin debugger.

> I'm pretty sure I did, but with a printed "breakpoint" line instead of a
> red dot in the side gutter. It's been a while though, maybe I'm 
> misremembering.

I thought I might have been misremembering as well, so I tried it
before posting. No break on the breakpoint line during a preOpenCard.
Just tried in now from the messagebox and it still doesn't work.

on preOpenCard
  local x

  breakpoint
  put 2 into x
  put x into field 1
end preOpenCard

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Re: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)

[Mark Wieder]

Hah! Fooled myself. I had previously put in a trap not to open the
debugger for testing. That'll learn me. Never mind.

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[OT] Today's Apple News

[Scott Rossi]

Apple today included the following as part of the introduction to their new
app guidelines:

"We have over 250,000 apps in the App Store. We don't need any more Fart
apps. If your app doesn't do something useful or provide some form of
lasting entertainment, it may not be accepted."

And a couple of days ago on YouTube:


Genius.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)

[Monte Goulding]

Hi Mark

I can see a prefs xml file is created by PowerDebug. How do I get to the 
preference settings? It would be handy if I got to them via the Plugins menu 
but that's the execution error dialog and it hides itself immediately. Also is 
it possible to turn off the tools palette hiding. I have a 27 inch screen so 
I'd rather have things on screen.  

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Re: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)

[Mark Wieder]

Monte-

Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:23:06 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Mark

> I can see a prefs xml file is created by PowerDebug. How do I get
> to the preference settings? It would be handy if I got to them via
> the Plugins menu but that's the execution error dialog and it hides
> itself immediately. Also is it possible to turn off the tools
> palette hiding. I have a 27 inch screen so I'd rather have things on
> screen.  

Tools palette hiding is configurable in the latest version. It's in
the "real" purchasable one and I'll have it on revOnline as soon as it
lets me log in again (grrr). For now, just move the tools palette more
than three pixels from the left edge of the screen and it'll stay put.

...and you can get to the preference settings once the debugger is on
the screen with the help icon (upper left hand corner). Yeah, I know.
Bringing it up from the plugins menu attempts to start the debugger
with no debug context, which just confuses everyone. You *can* bring
up the main page from the Application Browser and then click the help
icon from there, but that's kind of an ugly way to go about it as
well.

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Re: [OT] Today's Apple News

[Neal Campbell]

This is one of the best conclusions to a wonderful day.

Its just magic, magic farting.

Neal
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:

> Apple today included the following as part of the introduction to their new
> app guidelines:
>
> "We have over 250,000 apps in the App Store. We don't need any more Fart
> apps. If your app doesn't do something useful or provide some form of
> lasting entertainment, it may not be accepted."
>
> And a couple of days ago on YouTube:
> 
>
> Genius.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
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Re: ANN: PowerDebug (was Re: Question about the debugger in Rev 4.0)

[Monte Goulding]

> Yeah, I know.
> Bringing it up from the plugins menu attempts to start the debugger
> with no debug context, which just confuses everyone. You *can* bring
> up the main page from the Application Browser and then click the help
> icon from there, but that's kind of an ugly way to go about it as
> well.

Did you know revTools comes back toplevel after it's hidden? I'm sure it's 
fixed in the newer version

Take a look at the way revObjective is separated into two plugins now. An 
invisible one not shown on the menu and a modeless one that is on the menu. 
Although your plugin is clearly much more complex maybe that's a good option 
for you? The visible one could be the help/prefs stack. We need heaps more 
plugin hooks.

One other thing is if the debug console is open and you try and quit rev then 
rev hangs.

Overall it looks like a great new addition to Rev.

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revObjective & settings palettes

[Monte Goulding]

Hi Everyone

Now that revObjective is in the wild I'm realising that the more complex an 
object you make the more you want to give it it's own settings/inspector 
palette. What do people think of the following idea?

Each revObjective custom control is saved in it's own stack file so I was 
thinking of providing a substack to be a settings palette to edit the custom 
properties of the selectedobject related to the custom control. The substack 
would open along with the mainstack when you click "Edit" in revObjective. A 
new "Inspector" button to open the substack as a palette would be added to 
revObjective which would be enabled like the Add button whenever there is a 
selected object. Once open these substacks would switch/hide depending on if 
the selectedobject has a  revObjective based behavior and which object it is 
etc.

Does all that make sense? Maybe it's overkill when you can document and expect 
people to edit the custom properties but I can imagine a day when most of the 
objects I use are pulled out of revObjective and much of my maintenance work 
therefore is done once and propagated to all my apps just like I do with 
standard library stacks. With groups with backgroundBehavior set to true we can 
even have library like code libraries without adding complexity to the message 
path.

Cheers

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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

[Richmond]

On 09/10/2010 01:17 AM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

Bob Sneider Said:

"Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion..."
"BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)"

Which would mean the people would be free to deride you. I think this is the
point where professionalism comes into play. You and I almost certainly have
hugely differing religious and social views, but I could still work with you
- just through simple professionalism. Surely this privately-run list serv,
with people from all walks of life, is run on the simple concept of
professionalism.

In my opinion, there is no need to start contentious religious and social
debates here.

   


Well said!

Mind you . . . I could write a few fairly contentious things about Steve 
Jobs . . .  :)

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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

[Richmond]

On 09/10/2010 04:31 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 9/9/10 6:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

And by the way, can the rest of the world have that word back
again? I think that used to belong to us. ;-)


My husband keeps saying, "Our family had that name hundreds of years 
before they did."




Yup, and what about 'Queen'? North of the border (err . . . sorry, I 
meant to write "North of THE border")
that word means a young lady in the first flush of womanhood; rather 
than "a c*ck in a frock on a rock" . . .


. . . now that's a wonderful film:  
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109045/   The Adventures of Priscilla, 
Queen of the Desert,


even if it did, finally, fix the meaning of "Queen" forever . . .  :)

Oh Cripes, where did I put my leopardskin posing briefs?

I'm late for the Bulgarian RunRev user's support group (membership total 
= 1)!

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Re: [OT] Today's Apple News

[Richmond]

On 09/10/2010 05:46 AM, Neal Campbell wrote:

This is one of the best conclusions to a wonderful day.

Its just magic, magic farting.

Neal
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:

   

Apple today included the following as part of the introduction to their new
app guidelines:

"We have over 250,000 apps in the App Store. We don't need any more Fart
apps. If your app doesn't do something useful or provide some form of
lasting entertainment, it may not be accepted."

 


Perhaps I'd better not buy RevMobile after all; most of my work seems to 
fall into that category . . .  :)

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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

[stephen barncard]

The listmom has often stated the off-topic subjects are religion, politics,
and cheese. Surely sexual preference should also be on the list. This is not
a total free-speech zone.

On 9 September 2010 22:06, Richmond  wrote:

> On 09/10/2010 01:17 AM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:
>
>> Bob Sneider Said:
>>
>> "Mind you, I think homosexuality is a perversion..."
>> "BTW don't anyone bother deriding me for that. Speech is still free. :-)"
>>
>
Stephen Barncard
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New Apple comunicate relax restrictions

[JosepM]

Hi,

Today I read this:

"We are continually trying to make the App Store even better. We have
listened to our developers and taken much of their feedback to heart. Based
on their input, today we are making some important changes to our iOS
Developer Program license in sections 3.3.1, 3.3.2 and 3.3.9 to relax some
restrictions we put in place earlier this year.

In particular, we are relaxing all restrictions on the development tools
used to create iOS apps, as long as the resulting apps do not download any
code. This should give developers the flexibility they want, while
preserving the security we need."

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html

This mean that RevMobile for iPhone/iPad is posible?


Salut,
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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

[Andrew Kluthe]

Meh. You take gay. We have been using queer for quite some time anyway. We
subversives care very little what your perverse opinions are, pervert. ;)
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Re: New Apple comunicate relax restrictions

[stephen barncard]

yep

On 9 September 2010 23:32, JosepM  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Today I read this:
>
> "We are continually trying to make the App Store even better. We have
> listened to our developers and taken much of their feedback to heart. Based
> on their input, today we are making some important changes to our iOS
> Developer Program license in sections 3.3.1, 3.3.2 and 3.3.9 to relax some
> restrictions we put in place earlier this year.
>
> In particular, we are relaxing all restrictions on the development tools
> used to create iOS apps, as long as the resulting apps do not download any
> code. This should give developers the flexibility they want, while
> preserving the security we need."
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/09/09statement.html
>
> This mean that RevMobile for iPhone/iPad is posible?
>
>
> Salut,
> Josep M
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