Re: [ANN]: Kaleidoscope Gallery (and a corrupted stack)

[Judy Perry]

Nice...  I like!
Judy
http://revined.blogspot.com

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> I have uploaded a Kaleidoscope Gallery - about 30 images on 5 cards - to
>
> .
>
> While putting the examples together using a number of differing techniques,
> the working stack suddenly became totally corrupt the day before yesterday,
> this having been preceded by rather frequent crashes described in bug report
> 7812.
>
> After having been notified that bug # 7812 has now been fixed with Rev
> version 3.5-RC1,  I had used my stack with that new version (and
> alternatively with 3.0-gm3), and soon after having opened the stack with
> both versions the "corruption" occured. There is not even a "backup" stack
> anywhere on my harddisk, one of those preceded by a "tilde" (~), to which I
> was referred to by the Rev error dialog.
>
> I opened the remnants of the corrupt stack with a text editor and saw that
> about 20 scripts had completely disappeared, meaning that about a week's
> work was lost. I am in the course of reconstructing the scripts, there are
> no special problems involved, but it takes some time.
>
> Before the corruption,  apart from the crashes a number of weird things had
> happened, among them
>
> - A simple "flip horizontal" script refused to stop (no repeat loops were
> involved here) and went on forever.
>
> - A number of buttons in a supporting stack - one from which I wanted to
> import some relevant scripts - were being deleted, presumably because they
> were incompatible with the # 7812 problem.-
>
> I will describe the procedures used to create the kaleidoscopic images in
> greater detail later. They will be part of my announced "Gradientology"
> stack. For the time being I mention a few general principles here:
>
> - The main principle to create kaleidoscopic images is to apply mirrors,
> especially "diagonal" mirrors, but in conjunction with non-diagonal mirrors.
> There are a number of such mirrors in my "Imagedata Toolkit" stack (<
> http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImageDataToolkitPreview3.zip>)
>
> - Another element involves using snapshots of rotated images and to
> super-impose their imagedata.
>
> - Then modifying the imagedata by changing the colors can be an essential
> element (e.g. "duplicating colors" in my "Imagedata Toolkit" stack and
> elsewhere).
>
> - Skewing, stretching, and resizing are other useful techniques.
>
> A short description of the main steps in one approach:
>
> 1. I create an image that contains a number of squares with bi-directional
> gradients (again: see the "Imagedata Toolkit")
>
> 2. The image is "skewed" by a chosen factor
>
> 3. A "triangle" is chosen from anywhere in the image.
>
> 4. This triangle is positioned four times at the top, right, bottom, and
> left side of the image
>
> 5. This image created so far is rotated by an angle of 45 and superimposed
> with the original image, thus producing an octagonally mirrored
> kaleidoscope.
>
> 6. If you repeat this latter process with an angle of 22.5 you get a
> sixteenfold kaleidoscope.--
>
> Enjoy the examples of the gallery.
>
> IMHO I think that Revolution has a much greater potential to create
> kaleidoscopic images than an number of programs and results I found with
> Google searches on the net.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Wilhelm Sanke
> 
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[ANN]: Kaleidoscope Gallery (and a corrupted stack)

[Wilhelm Sanke]

I have uploaded a Kaleidoscope Gallery - about 30 images on 5 cards - to

.

While putting the examples together using a number of differing 
techniques, the working stack suddenly became totally corrupt the day 
before yesterday, this having been preceded by rather frequent crashes 
described in bug report 7812.


After having been notified that bug # 7812 has now been fixed with Rev 
version 3.5-RC1,  I had used my stack with that new version (and 
alternatively with 3.0-gm3), and soon after having opened the stack with 
both versions the "corruption" occured. There is not even a "backup" 
stack anywhere on my harddisk, one of those preceded by a "tilde" (~), 
to which I was referred to by the Rev error dialog.


I opened the remnants of the corrupt stack with a text editor and saw 
that about 20 scripts had completely disappeared, meaning that about a 
week's work was lost. I am in the course of reconstructing the scripts, 
there are no special problems involved, but it takes some time.


Before the corruption,  apart from the crashes a number of weird things 
had happened, among them


- A simple "flip horizontal" script refused to stop (no repeat loops 
were involved here) and went on forever.


- A number of buttons in a supporting stack - one from which I wanted to 
import some relevant scripts - were being deleted, presumably because 
they were incompatible with the # 7812 problem.-


I will describe the procedures used to create the kaleidoscopic images 
in greater detail later. They will be part of my announced 
"Gradientology" stack. For the time being I mention a few general 
principles here:


- The main principle to create kaleidoscopic images is to apply mirrors, 
especially "diagonal" mirrors, but in conjunction with non-diagonal 
mirrors. There are a number of such mirrors in my "Imagedata Toolkit" 
stack ()


- Another element involves using snapshots of rotated images and to 
super-impose their imagedata.


- Then modifying the imagedata by changing the colors can be an 
essential element (e.g. "duplicating colors" in my "Imagedata Toolkit" 
stack and elsewhere).


- Skewing, stretching, and resizing are other useful techniques.

A short description of the main steps in one approach:

1. I create an image that contains a number of squares with 
bi-directional gradients (again: see the "Imagedata Toolkit")


2. The image is "skewed" by a chosen factor

3. A "triangle" is chosen from anywhere in the image.

4. This triangle is positioned four times at the top, right, bottom, and 
left side of the image


5. This image created so far is rotated by an angle of 45 and 
superimposed with the original image, thus producing an octagonally 
mirrored kaleidoscope.


6. If you repeat this latter process with an angle of 22.5 you get a 
sixteenfold kaleidoscope.--


Enjoy the examples of the gallery.

IMHO I think that Revolution has a much greater potential to create 
kaleidoscopic images than an number of programs and results I found with 
Google searches on the net.


Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke


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Re: How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title

[Bill Marriott]

You should not store it as a custom property, but rather always take both 
snapshots at runtime.

Just choose the correct spots:

- On Windows, compare the left side and right side, offset away from 
standard window chrome, as in my example.
- On Mac, compare just left of center and far right of the window

In either case, if the title is truncated, the areas will match. If it's 
working properly they will not.

See:

http://wjm.org/linked/swatches.png



"Tiemo Hollmann TB"  wrote 
in message news:f01362bbf07e49fb9c7972942a369...@kestner.local...
No, my approach won't work either, because of the different skins and system
colors the stored snapshot always will be different - too quick shot :(
Tiemo 



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Re: How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title

[Bill Marriott]

Tiemo ,

> I think on Win it won't work, because the title is left
> aligned, so comparing the left and right rect would always be false.

I wrote this on Win... do you mean Mac, which is center-aligned? Either way, 
it's the only approach I can think of. You just have to check the proper 
region, adjusting the offsets depending on the OS.

> function mungedTitleBar
>put the rect of this stack into myRect -- left,top,right,bottom
>
>put myRect into leftRect
>add 40 to item 1 of leftRect
>subtract 20 from item 2 of leftRect
>put item 1 of leftRect + 20 into item 3 of leftRect
>put item 2 of leftRect + 10 into item 4 of leftRect
>
>put leftRect into rightRect
>put item 3 of myRect - 90 into item 1 of rightRect
>put item 3 of myRect - 70 into item 3 of rightRect
>
>export snapshot from rect leftRect to foobarL as PNG
>export snapshot from rect rightRect to foobarR as PNG
>
>return foobarL = foobarR
> end mungedTitleBar



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AW: How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

No, my approach won't work either, because of the different skins and system
colors the stored snapshot always will be different - too quick shot :(
Tiemo

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. März 2009 13:17
> An: 'How to use Revolution'
> Betreff: AW: How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title
> 
> Hi Bill
> Nice approach :) but I think on Win it won't work, because the title is
> left
> aligned, so comparing the left and right rect would always be false.
> ... but writing this I am just figuring out, if I could store a snapshot
> of
> the correct title in my app in a cusprop and compare it with a snapshot
> made
> on the fly...
> Thanks for giving ideas
> Tiemo
> 
> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> > boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bill Marriott
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. März 2009 12:42
> > An: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> > Betreff: Re: How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title
> >
> > Tiemo,
> >
> > > I am not looking for a workaround, to get the tile back, but I am
> still
> > > looking for a solution, if it is possible to analyze, IF the title is
> > > broken
> > > or not. Comparing the title with a string, doesn't works, because the
> > > title
> > > property is still ok, it is just an issue of the title display. If I
> > could
> > > find out, IF the title is broken, I could set it to empty only on
> those
> > > machines, where it is broken and for the majority of the users I could
> > > show
> > > a title.
> >
> > This is horrible, but:
> >
> > function mungedTitleBar
> >put the rect of this stack into myRect -- left,top,right,bottom
> >
> >put myRect into leftRect
> >add 40 to item 1 of leftRect
> >subtract 20 from item 2 of leftRect
> >put item 1 of leftRect + 20 into item 3 of leftRect
> >put item 2 of leftRect + 10 into item 4 of leftRect
> >
> >put leftRect into rightRect
> >put item 3 of myRect - 90 into item 1 of rightRect
> >put item 3 of myRect - 70 into item 3 of rightRect
> >
> >export snapshot from rect leftRect to foobarL as PNG
> >export snapshot from rect rightRect to foobarR as PNG
> >
> >return foobarL = foobarR
> > end mouseUp
> >
> > This function captures two swatches from the titlebar of the current
> > window.
> > Assuming you have a window title that is longer than one or two
> characters
> > but not so long as to fill the entire window width, if the left swatch
> > matches the right swatch, then it's probably not displaying properly.
> >
> >
> >
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AW: How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Bill
Nice approach :) but I think on Win it won't work, because the title is left
aligned, so comparing the left and right rect would always be false.
... but writing this I am just figuring out, if I could store a snapshot of
the correct title in my app in a cusprop and compare it with a snapshot made
on the fly...
Thanks for giving ideas
Tiemo

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bill Marriott
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. März 2009 12:42
> An: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Betreff: Re: How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title
> 
> Tiemo,
> 
> > I am not looking for a workaround, to get the tile back, but I am still
> > looking for a solution, if it is possible to analyze, IF the title is
> > broken
> > or not. Comparing the title with a string, doesn't works, because the
> > title
> > property is still ok, it is just an issue of the title display. If I
> could
> > find out, IF the title is broken, I could set it to empty only on those
> > machines, where it is broken and for the majority of the users I could
> > show
> > a title.
> 
> This is horrible, but:
> 
> function mungedTitleBar
>put the rect of this stack into myRect -- left,top,right,bottom
> 
>put myRect into leftRect
>add 40 to item 1 of leftRect
>subtract 20 from item 2 of leftRect
>put item 1 of leftRect + 20 into item 3 of leftRect
>put item 2 of leftRect + 10 into item 4 of leftRect
> 
>put leftRect into rightRect
>put item 3 of myRect - 90 into item 1 of rightRect
>put item 3 of myRect - 70 into item 3 of rightRect
> 
>export snapshot from rect leftRect to foobarL as PNG
>export snapshot from rect rightRect to foobarR as PNG
> 
>return foobarL = foobarR
> end mouseUp
> 
> This function captures two swatches from the titlebar of the current
> window.
> Assuming you have a window title that is longer than one or two characters
> but not so long as to fill the entire window width, if the left swatch
> matches the right swatch, then it's probably not displaying properly.
> 
> 
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Re: How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title

[Bill Marriott]

Tiemo,

> I am not looking for a workaround, to get the tile back, but I am still
> looking for a solution, if it is possible to analyze, IF the title is 
> broken
> or not. Comparing the title with a string, doesn't works, because the 
> title
> property is still ok, it is just an issue of the title display. If I could
> find out, IF the title is broken, I could set it to empty only on those
> machines, where it is broken and for the majority of the users I could 
> show
> a title.

This is horrible, but:

function mungedTitleBar
   put the rect of this stack into myRect -- left,top,right,bottom

   put myRect into leftRect
   add 40 to item 1 of leftRect
   subtract 20 from item 2 of leftRect
   put item 1 of leftRect + 20 into item 3 of leftRect
   put item 2 of leftRect + 10 into item 4 of leftRect

   put leftRect into rightRect
   put item 3 of myRect - 90 into item 1 of rightRect
   put item 3 of myRect - 70 into item 3 of rightRect

   export snapshot from rect leftRect to foobarL as PNG
   export snapshot from rect rightRect to foobarR as PNG

   return foobarL = foobarR
end mouseUp

This function captures two swatches from the titlebar of the current window. 
Assuming you have a window title that is longer than one or two characters 
but not so long as to fill the entire window width, if the left swatch 
matches the right swatch, then it's probably not displaying properly. 



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How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hello,

Rev 3.0 I have asked this topic once without result. Now 3 days before
getting my new app CD shipped to the factory I wanted to give it another
try, perhaps today other list members are online or perhaps anybody has
found any workaround. It is the bug, that the stack title gets corrupted, if
a Quicktime Player is in the card (QCC 6235), not always, but on a unknown
number of XP machines. Set the runtimebehavior to 4 and the other hints in
the QCC didn't helped. I had to set the title of my app to empty, which
really looks stupid and  not proffessional

I am not looking for a workaround, to get the tile back, but I am still
looking for a solution, if it is possible to analyze, IF the title is broken
or not. Comparing the title with a string, doesn't works, because the title
property is still ok, it is just an issue of the title display. If I could
find out, IF the title is broken, I could set it to empty only on those
machines, where it is broken and for the majority of the users I could show
a title.

 

Thanks for any idea

Tiemo

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Corrupted Stack!

[Tim Bleiler]

Thanks Jacqueline,

I don't have any imported images in the stack. I do have some image  
controls on a few cards but their file name is set at runtime and  
never saved with the stack. All of the controls in the stack have  
customProperties and I've started saving arrays into some of them.  
Maybe a bug somewhere using this very new feature?


Tim Bleiler
University at Buffalo


On Jan 8, 2009, at 5:45 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Tim Bleiler wrote:

Hi,
I've used Rev/Metacard for years and I've never had this happen  
before. I've got a corrupted stack. When I try to open the stack I  
get the following message "Unable to open stack: stack is  
corrupted, check for ~backup file."  I do have a backup but I've  
been through that once and the stack becomes "corrupted" again  
after a couple of saves. I work with several stacks and I'm not  
having problems with any of the others. Anyone have any  
suggestions on causes or solutions?


The main thing I've seen so far that can cause this is an imported  
image in a non-standard format. Not all image apps create images  
the same way.


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Re: Corrupted Stack!

[J. Landman Gay]

Tim Bleiler wrote:

Hi,

I've used Rev/Metacard for years and I've never had this happen before. 
I've got a corrupted stack. When I try to open the stack I get the 
following message "Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for 
~backup file."  I do have a backup but I've been through that once and 
the stack becomes "corrupted" again after a couple of saves. I work with 
several stacks and I'm not having problems with any of the others. 
Anyone have any suggestions on causes or solutions?


The main thing I've seen so far that can cause this is an imported image 
in a non-standard format. Not all image apps create images the same way.


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Corrupted Stack!

[Tim Bleiler]

Hi,

I've used Rev/Metacard for years and I've never had this happen  
before. I've got a corrupted stack. When I try to open the stack I  
get the following message "Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted,  
check for ~backup file."  I do have a backup but I've been through  
that once and the stack becomes "corrupted" again after a couple of  
saves. I work with several stacks and I'm not having problems with  
any of the others. Anyone have any suggestions on causes or solutions?


Thanks,

Tim Bleiler
University at Buffalo
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RE: Corrupted Stack

[MisterX]

Piece of cake!

If you strip any character that's above or below a certain ASCII level, you
should have a text file with the content of your stack that can be easily
parsed to restore the stack. Most "objects" are delimited. I've done so a
zillion times it seems...

But to be honest, I haven't written the stack to recuperate or fix corrupted
stacks yet, but i have lots of hypercard stacks I can't port - including a
14000 Mac icon library that's a shame to throw away... But c'est la vie...
The funniest is that my script extractor HC stack is corrupted too ;)

Challenge:

For 1500 EUs or a free ticket 1-2 week trip to
Luxembourg-Chicago-Monterey-Luxembourg, i'll write an opensource free stack
parser/stack reconstructor... 

Monterey or bust! ;)

cheers
Xav
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 17:41
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Corrupted Stack
> 
> David Burgun wrote:
> > Is the Structure of a Stack File published anywhere?
> 
> Not to my knowledge, as with most commercial formats it's 
> considered proprietary.
> 
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Re: Corrupted Stack

[Richard Gaskin]

David Burgun wrote:
Is the Structure of a Stack File published anywhere?
Not to my knowledge, as with most commercial formats it's considered 
proprietary.

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Re: Corrupted Stack

[David Burgun]

Is the Structure of a Stack File published anywhere?
Thanks
Dave

KOPP Ed wrote:
I searched the archives, but didn't find the silver bullet I was looking
for.
I've distributed a standalone stack (Windows) that calls another in the
"splash screen" style. The second stack is my data stack and it's corrupted.
It can no longer be opened by my standalone app. When I try to open this
data stack directly from Revolution, I get a message "There was a problem
opening that stack: stack is corrupted; check for ~ backup file."
Of course, there's no backup file. Is there any way to ignore the scripting
and just retrieve the data that's stored in the various fields on the cards?
Hwe go seven years with close to zero corruption, and in the 
last two months I've read about three cases.  RunRev -- what's 
happening?

Ed, before you go down the arduous route of rebuilding the stack, 
you might try seeing if there's some way to delete any images in it 
first. In most cases corruption is related to images embedded in the 
stack, and it may be possible to delete those without truly opening 
it (the engine does less work with a stack when it doesn't actually 
open it) with something like this (off the top of my head, so maybe 
it'll need revision):

  on mouseUp
answer file "Select the bad stack:"
if it is empty then exit to top
put it into tStackFile
--
repeat with i = 1 to the number of cards in stack tStackFile
  repeat with j = the number of images \
   of cd i of stack tStackFile down to 1
 delete img 1 of cd i of stack tStackFile
  end repeat
end repeat
  end mouseUp

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Re: Corrupted Stack

[Richard Gaskin]

KOPP Ed wrote:
I searched the archives, but didn't find the silver bullet I was looking
for.
I've distributed a standalone stack (Windows) that calls another in the
"splash screen" style. The second stack is my data stack and it's corrupted.
It can no longer be opened by my standalone app. When I try to open this
data stack directly from Revolution, I get a message "There was a problem
opening that stack: stack is corrupted; check for ~ backup file."
Of course, there's no backup file. Is there any way to ignore the scripting
and just retrieve the data that's stored in the various fields on the cards?
Hwe go seven years with close to zero corruption, and in the 
last two months I've read about three cases.  RunRev -- what's happening?

Ed, before you go down the arduous route of rebuilding the stack, you 
might try seeing if there's some way to delete any images in it first. 
In most cases corruption is related to images embedded in the stack, and 
it may be possible to delete those without truly opening it (the engine 
does less work with a stack when it doesn't actually open it) with 
something like this (off the top of my head, so maybe it'll need revision):

  on mouseUp
answer file "Select the bad stack:"
if it is empty then exit to top
put it into tStackFile
--
repeat with i = 1 to the number of cards in stack tStackFile
  repeat with j = the number of images \
   of cd i of stack tStackFile down to 1
 delete img 1 of cd i of stack tStackFile
  end repeat
end repeat
  end mouseUp

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Re: Corrupted Stack

[Sarah Reichelt]

Try opening the stack in a text editor. You might see the scripts & 
field text there and be able to rescue most of it.

Sarah
On 4 May 2005, at 1:03 PM, KOPP Ed wrote:
I searched the archives, but didn't find the silver bullet I was 
looking
for.

I've distributed a standalone stack (Windows) that calls another in the
"splash screen" style. The second stack is my data stack and it's 
corrupted.
It can no longer be opened by my standalone app. When I try to open 
this
data stack directly from Revolution, I get a message "There was a 
problem
opening that stack: stack is corrupted; check for ~ backup file."

Of course, there's no backup file. Is there any way to ignore the 
scripting
and just retrieve the data that's stored in the various fields on the 
cards?

Ed
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RE: Corrupted Stack

[KOPP Ed]

I tried "put the text of fld 1 of cd 1 of stack..." and got the following:

Message execution error:
Error Description: Chunk: can't find stack.

I double checked to make sure that I was giving it the correct stack name.
To make sure, I modified the code slightly to the following:

Answer file "which stack?"; put the text of fld 1 of cd 1 of stack it into
msg.

The code works fine if I select a "good" stack. It doesn't recognize my
corrupted stack. :-(

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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:07 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Corrupted Stack



--- KOPP Ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Of course, there's no backup file. Is there any
> way to ignore the scripting
> and just retrieve the data that's stored in the
> various fields on the cards?

see if this works:

put the text of field 1 of cd 1 of
stack "myCorruption" into msg

if it works, make a handler with repeats
for all cards and fields.

good luck,

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Re: Corrupted Stack

[Erik Hansen]

--- KOPP Ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Of course, there's no backup file. Is there any
> way to ignore the scripting
> and just retrieve the data that's stored in the
> various fields on the cards?

see if this works:

put the text of field 1 of cd 1 of
stack "myCorruption" into msg

if it works, make a handler with repeats
for all cards and fields.

good luck,

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Corrupted Stack

[KOPP Ed]

I searched the archives, but didn't find the silver bullet I was looking
for.

I've distributed a standalone stack (Windows) that calls another in the
"splash screen" style. The second stack is my data stack and it's corrupted.
It can no longer be opened by my standalone app. When I try to open this
data stack directly from Revolution, I get a message "There was a problem
opening that stack: stack is corrupted; check for ~ backup file."

Of course, there's no backup file. Is there any way to ignore the scripting
and just retrieve the data that's stored in the various fields on the cards?

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Recovery of a corrupted stack

[Mario Leonti]

Hi Dave,
thanks for your offer to help directly.
Would it be ok if I sent you the offending stack by attachment?
I really cannot make any sense of it.
If I try to open the stack in Rev it simply says it's not a stack.
The funny thing is I recovered a .sit with the same file inside. 
Stuffit uncompresses it ok and the stack is still not opened/recognized 
by Revolution.
I spent a month developing this sucker and I am really keen to recover 
anything I can from it.
Thanks once more
Mario
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Re: Recovery of a corrupted stack -- actual case study

[Erik Hansen]

David,

i used your ideas on my bad stack
"songsDB" with the most amazing results!

backgroundbehavior = true for both stacks

1. make a fresh stack
2. copy the bad stack script,
3. copy the bad stack group(s),
   one in this case containing all controls
4. copy all 400 pages of the bad stack

all of the contents of all of the fields
transfered correctly.
buttons to find, sort, limit,
checkbox which fields to display
for printing, all worked correctly.

the bad stack was 137K,
the new one: 16 Megabytes!

then the corker, the "bad" stack somehow
auto-corrected and began to work again!

Erik Hansen

--- David Burgun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you need to save the scripts then try this:
> 
> With a fresh load of RunRev (making sure there
> are no Stacks in
> memory), open the message box and type:
> 
> answer file "Which Stack?";edit script
> of stack it.
> 
> This will prompt you for a file, select the
> Stack in question.
> 
> Which will open the Stack Script, you can use:
> edit script of card X
> of stack it or edit script of control "X" of
> card "Y" of stack it
> 
> This should allow you to at least copy your
> Scripts into a text
> file(s) so you can re-paste them.
> 
> You can then try to open the Script using the
> command "open stack
> it", however this may crash the IDE if the
> Stack is really corrupted.
> 
> One thing I tried was to comment out the
> "preOpenStack" and
> "openStack" handlers in the Stack Script and
> save it back using the
> "Apply and Save Stack" command (after making a
> backup).  Once you
> have saved the stack quit RunRev and try
> reloading the Stack. If it
> now works you know it's something in your
> preOpen ot Open handler
> that is causing the IDE to barf when the Stack
> is first opened.
> 
> You can also write a tool stack that you can
> use to extract Objects
> from the Stack in question. If you need more
> help on this feel free
> to contact me directly. I have become quite a
> expert at recovering
> "weird" Stacks lately!
> 

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Re: Recovery of a corrupted stack

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 23 Apr 2005, at 10:49 AM, Paul Salyers wrote:
Maybe this answer will also help me, not a "reinitialized" I try to 
load it in my rev editor and it closes down not even asking if I wish 
to save.

I can't even load in edit mode. Any suggestion. This script isn't some 
great program I was just making scripts to see how they worked so I 
remade in about 5 min. I would like to know why this is happening.

Try locking messages before opening the stack - click the Messages 
button in the toolbar until the lock looks locked. Your stack may have 
an openStack or similar handler that is closing it down.

Cheers,
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Re: Recovery of a corrupted stack

[David Burgun]

Opps! Typeo, that should be:
open the message box and type:
answer file "Which Stack?";edit script of stack it.
All the Best
Dave
Hi,
If you need to save the scripts then try this:
With a fresh load of RunRev (making sure there are no Stacks in 
memory), open the message box and type:

answer file "Which Stack?";edit script script of stack it.
This will prompt you for a file, select the Stack in question.
Which will open the Stack Script, you can use: edit script of card X 
of stack it or edit script of control "X" of card "Y" of stack it

This should allow you to at least copy your Scripts into a text 
file(s) so you can re-paste them.

You can then try to open the Script using the command "open stack 
it", however this may crash the IDE if the Stack is really corrupted.

One thing I tried was to comment out the "preOpenStack" and 
"openStack" handlers in the Stack Script and save it back using the 
"Apply and Save Stack" command (after making a backup).  Once you 
have saved the stack quit RunRev and try reloading the Stack. If it 
now works you know it's something in your preOpen ot Open handler 
that is causing the IDE to barf when the Stack is first opened.

You can also write a tool stack that you can use to extract Objects 
from the Stack in question. If you need more help on this feel free 
to contact me directly. I have become quite a expert at recovering 
"weird" Stacks lately!

All the Best
Dave
Paul Salyers wrote:
Maybe this answer will also help me, not a "reinitialized" I try to 
load it in my rev editor and it closes down not even asking if I 
wish to save.

I can't even load in edit mode. Any suggestion. This script isn't 
some great program I was just making scripts to see how they worked 
so I remade in about 5 min. I would like to know why this is 
happening.
I'll bet the folks at RunRev would too.
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Re: Recovery of a corrupted stack

[David Burgun]

Hi,
If you need to save the scripts then try this:
With a fresh load of RunRev (making sure there are no Stacks in 
memory), open the message box and type:

answer file "Which Stack?";edit script script of stack it.
This will prompt you for a file, select the Stack in question.
Which will open the Stack Script, you can use: edit script of card X 
of stack it or edit script of control "X" of card "Y" of stack it

This should allow you to at least copy your Scripts into a text 
file(s) so you can re-paste them.

You can then try to open the Script using the command "open stack 
it", however this may crash the IDE if the Stack is really corrupted.

One thing I tried was to comment out the "preOpenStack" and 
"openStack" handlers in the Stack Script and save it back using the 
"Apply and Save Stack" command (after making a backup).  Once you 
have saved the stack quit RunRev and try reloading the Stack. If it 
now works you know it's something in your preOpen ot Open handler 
that is causing the IDE to barf when the Stack is first opened.

You can also write a tool stack that you can use to extract Objects 
from the Stack in question. If you need more help on this feel free 
to contact me directly. I have become quite a expert at recovering 
"weird" Stacks lately!

All the Best
Dave
Paul Salyers wrote:
Maybe this answer will also help me, not a "reinitialized" I try 
to load it in my rev editor and it closes down not even asking if 
I wish to save.

I can't even load in edit mode. Any suggestion. This script isn't 
some great program I was just making scripts to see how they 
worked so I remade in about 5 min. I would like to know why this 
is happening.
I'll bet the folks at RunRev would too.
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Re: Recovery of a corrupted stack

[David Burgun]

Hi,
If you need to save the scripts then try this:
With a fresh load of RunRev (making sure there are no Stacks in 
memory), open the message box and type:

answer file "Which Stack?";edit script script of stack it.
This will prompt you for a file, select the Stack in question.
Which will open the Stack Script, you can use: edit script of card X 
of stack it or edit script of control "X" of card "Y" of stack it

This should allow you to at least copy your Scripts into a text 
file(s) so you can re-paste them.

You can then try to open the Script using the command "open stack 
it", however this may crash the IDE if the Stack is really corrupted.

One thing I tried was to comment out the "preOpenStack" and 
"openStack" handlers in the Stack Script and save it back using the 
"Apply and Save Stack" command (after making a backup).  Once you 
have saved the stack quit RunRev and try reloading the Stack. If it 
now works you know it's something in your preOpen ot Open handler 
that is causing the IDE to barf when the Stack is first opened.

You can also write a tool stack that you can use to extract Objects 
from the Stack in question. If you need more help on this feel free 
to contact me directly. I have become quite a expert at recovering 
"weird" Stacks lately!

All the Best
Dave

Paul Salyers wrote:
Maybe this answer will also help me, not a "reinitialized" I try to 
load it in my rev editor and it closes down not even asking if I 
wish to save.

I can't even load in edit mode. Any suggestion. This script isn't 
some great program I was just making scripts to see how they worked 
so I remade in about 5 min. I would like to know why this is 
happening.
I'll bet the folks at RunRev would too.
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Re: Recovery of a corrupted stack

[Paul Salyers]

At 08:04 PM 4/22/2005, you wrote:
Paul Salyers wrote:
Maybe this answer will also help me, not a "reinitialized" I try to load 
it in my rev editor and it closes down not even asking if I wish to save.
I can't even load in edit mode. Any suggestion. This script isn't some 
great program I was just making scripts to see how they worked so I 
remade in about 5 min. I would like to know why this is happening.
I'll bet the folks at RunRev would too.
What did they say when you sent it to them at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I didn't but I will thanks for the email address.

Paul Salyers
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Re: Recovery of a corrupted stack

[Richard Gaskin]

Paul Salyers wrote:
Maybe this answer will also help me, not a "reinitialized" I try to load 
it in my rev editor and it closes down not even asking if I wish to save.

I can't even load in edit mode. Any suggestion. This script isn't some 
great program I was just making scripts to see how they worked so I 
remade in about 5 min. I would like to know why this is happening.
I'll bet the folks at RunRev would too.
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Re: Recovery of a corrupted stack

[Paul Salyers]

At 07:30 PM 4/22/2005, you wrote:
Hi to all,
I wander if anybody can help me.
I had a stack that got deleted (hd was reinitialized). I managed to
recover it but revolution does not want to open it. It says it's
corrupted. I wander if there is a tool in revolution to recover
corrupted stacks (all or partially).
I tried opening the .rev file in a text editor but it shows nothing legible.
Thanks for your help.
Maybe this answer will also help me, not a "reinitialized" I try to load it 
in my rev editor and it closes down not even asking if I wish to save.

I can't even load in edit mode. Any suggestion. This script isn't some 
great program I was just making scripts to see how they worked so I remade 
in about 5 min. I would like to know why this is happening.

Paul Salyers
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Recovery of a corrupted stack

[Mario Leonti]

Hi to all,
I wander if anybody can help me.
I had a stack that got deleted (hd was reinitialized). I managed to
recover it but revolution does not want to open it. It says it's
corrupted. I wander if there is a tool in revolution to recover
corrupted stacks (all or partially).
I tried opening the .rev file in a text editor but it shows nothing 
legible.

Thanks for your help.

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RE: Corrupted stack

[MisterX]

When a stack starts to crash runrev or becomes corrupted, there's only
one satisfactory solution. Rebuilt it from scratch. Dont even think
of copy pasting the controls (if you can) because the corrupted part
might creep in.

If you didn't password lock your stack, you can find your scripts
back by reading the stack file with a text editor like BBEdit Mac)
or UltraEdit (PC). Make sure you dont copy paste control or hidden 
characters, they might cause invisible problems later.

This from experience...

Fortunately, it "almost" never happens! 

But a good rule of thumb to avoid this is:
- Save often with new version numbers each time.
- Import images after you finish the GUI. 

Cheers
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Terry Vogelaar (de Mare)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 05:14
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Corrupted stack
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a stack I worked on for several days, but appears to 
> be corrupted. According to RR, I should try to open the 
> backup file. I have several from different stages of 
> development, but all give the same error. It contains a lot 
> of lay-outed text and a few small PNGs in the file. I suspect 
> the pictures to cause the problem.  I imported the images in 
> the morning and I saved the stack several times without any 
> problem (so there is no ~stackname.rev file). Only the stacks 
> cannot be reopened. That is why all the backup files of that 
> day are corrupted as well.
> 
> I've had corrupted stacks before after importing pictures to 
> them before when trying to open image-containing stacks on a 
> Windows machine, so I thought it was just a cross-platform 
> problem (since I am a Mac OSX user).
> 
> Strangely enough, attempt #2 of course didn't contain these 
> pictures, but also became corrupted.
> 
> Is there anything I can do to save some work from these 
> corrupted files?
> 
> BTW, the file size became surprisingly large; although it 
> contains about 10 Mb of data I can think of, the file size is 
> almost 48 Mb.
> 
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Corrupted stack

[de Mare]

Hi,
I have a stack I worked on for several days, but appears to be 
corrupted. According to RR, I should try to open the backup file. I 
have several from different stages of development, but all give the 
same error. It contains a lot of lay-outed text and a few small PNGs in 
the file. I suspect the pictures to cause the problem.  I imported the 
images in the morning and I saved the stack several times without any 
problem (so there is no ~stackname.rev file). Only the stacks cannot be 
reopened. That is why all the backup files of that day are corrupted as 
well.

I've had corrupted stacks before after importing pictures to them 
before when trying to open image-containing stacks on a Windows 
machine, so I thought it was just a cross-platform problem (since I am 
a Mac OSX user).

Strangely enough, attempt #2 of course didn't contain these pictures, 
but also became corrupted.

Is there anything I can do to save some work from these corrupted files?
BTW, the file size became surprisingly large; although it contains 
about 10 Mb of data I can think of, the file size is almost 48 Mb.

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Re: corrupted stack

[Alex Rice]

On Nov 21, 2003, at 12:43 AM, Frans Schoffelen wrote:
Hi Alex,

I may have missed the original posting here but the word "corrupted"
anywhere within a mile of "project" or "stack" brings back nightmare 
nights
of yonder SC and HC years. If you have already covered this could you 
please
let me know some specifics about the corruption off-list?
I am just distributing a fairly large stack inside a corporation.

Frans, I'll let you know the details off-list. To be clear though- I 
seem to be in the definite minority in experiencing this, and the 
corruption is so infrequent that I'm still very productive, and the 
corruption only seems to happen when working in the IDE.



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Re: corrupted stack

[Frans Schoffelen]

>Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:49:31 -0700
>From: Alex Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: corrupted stack

> I've run into a couple more instances of my project getting corrupted
> recently. 

Hi Alex,

I may have missed the original posting here but the word "corrupted"
anywhere within a mile of "project" or "stack" brings back nightmare nights
of yonder SC and HC years. If you have already covered this could you please
let me know some specifics about the corruption off-list?
I am just distributing a fairly large stack inside a corporation.

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Re: corrupted stack

[Alex Rice]

On Nov 20, 2003, at 3:51 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Weird.  If the stack is corrupted how is Rev able to be open it?
I guess Rev itself that corrupted it, after it was opened up, and Rev 
just continued to work with it open. After I purged the stack, or quit 
out of Rev, then it could not open the stack again.

Have you sent the corrupted stack to RunRev?
I have. Two different corruption problems. This particular problem, 
nothing ever came of it, beyond an initial response from Geoff. Another 
problem involving duplicate keys in custom properties was acknowledge 
to appear to be a bug and Michael requested I bugzilla it, which I did.

Hopefully your experience will prove as fruitful.
It seems that kind of support is history.

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Re: corrupted stack

[Richard Gaskin]

Alex Rice wrote:

> 
> On Oct 30, 2003, at 10:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> I would bug it.  The engine itself seems generally reliable in this
>> regard, so it may be something in the interactions with the IDE.
>> As an additional data point, since 1997 I've only had one corrupted
>> stack with MC, and in all cases where a save was terminated (fatal
>> error elsewhere in the system, power outage, me doing something
>> stupid) there was a "~" copy to work from.
>> 
> I've run into a couple more instances of my project getting corrupted
> recently. Since I use altArchive plugin, I just have to look in my
> archive folder for the most recent non-corrupted stack. In this case
> however 3 of the archived stacks were corrupted also and I had to go
> back to the 4th archive stack. So whatever is happening, the IDE is
> continuing to work with the corrupted stack, allowing revArchive to
> make copies of it. This makes me uneasy. Just more data points if you
> are listening RR
> 
> # corrupted archived versions:
> -rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  7345301 18 Nov 14:37 FacCalc000155.rev
> -rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  7345301 18 Nov 14:29 FacCalc000154.rev
> -rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  7345501 18 Nov 14:21 FacCalc000153.rev
> # not-corrupted archive versions:
> -rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  6959978 17 Nov 10:54 FacCalc000152.rev
> -rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  6977865 17 Nov 10:36 FacCalc000151.rev
> -rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  7010443 14 Nov 16:27 FacCalc000150.rev
> ...
> 

Weird.  If the stack is corrupted how is Rev able to be open it?

Have you sent the corrupted stack to RunRev?  IT would be interesting o see
if they could determine the source of the problem.  In the one "corruption"
case I had Scott was able to pin down the problem quickly once I sent him
the stack (it was a graphic imported from SC through the RunRev converter
with a property setting that exposed a bug in QuickDraw).   All I had to do
was replace the bad object and all was good after that.

Hopefully your experience will prove as fruitful.

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Re: corrupted stack

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On Oct 30, 2003, at 10:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

I would bug it.  The engine itself seems generally reliable in this 
regard,
so it may be something in the interactions with the IDE.  As an 
additional
data point, since 1997 I've only had one corrupted stack with MC, and 
in all
cases where a save was terminated (fatal error elsewhere in the system,
power outage, me doing something stupid) there was a "~" copy to work 
from.

I've run into a couple more instances of my project getting corrupted 
recently. Since I use altArchive plugin, I just have to look in my 
archive folder for the most recent non-corrupted stack. In this case 
however 3 of the archived stacks were corrupted also and I had to go 
back to the 4th archive stack. So whatever is happening, the IDE is 
continuing to work with the corrupted stack, allowing revArchive to 
make copies of it. This makes me uneasy. Just more data points if you 
are listening RR

# corrupted archived versions:
-rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  7345301 18 Nov 14:37 FacCalc000155.rev
-rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  7345301 18 Nov 14:29 FacCalc000154.rev
-rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  7345501 18 Nov 14:21 FacCalc000153.rev
# not-corrupted archive versions:
-rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  6959978 17 Nov 10:54 FacCalc000152.rev
-rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  6977865 17 Nov 10:36 FacCalc000151.rev
-rw-r--r--  1 alex  admin  7010443 14 Nov 16:27 FacCalc000150.rev
...
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Re: corrupted stack

[Alex Rice]

On Oct 30, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
That raises a good question:  could there be anything unique to the 
stack
file in question or its scripts that makes it more prone to corruption?
Yes and no. It's my project stack I've been working on for 18 months. I 
work on the project every work day in Revolution. There is nothing 
unusual about the 2-3 days out of 365 days when the project gets 
corrupted. It's not surprising it would be *this* project stack - 
because that's 90% of what I do in Revolution. Also the project's data 
stack was corrupted once (seperate stack) and the mainstack has been 
corrupted once or twice. So it's not just a single stack in question.

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Re: corrupted stack

[Alex Rice]

On Oct 30, 2003, at 10:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

I would bug it.
OK folks it's bug# 857. Please add your observations to it.

summary: corrupted stacks are never accompanied by a ~ backup file.


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Re: corrupted stack

[Alex Rice]

On Oct 30, 2003, at 11:00 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

Hi Alex,

I've similar experiences as Richard with this. Since using Rev, I've 
(knock
on wood) *never* experienced a corrupted stack --and I've crashed Rev a
bunch ;-)
I figured Richard is still using Metacard most of the time & hence the 
good track record. You are lucky indeed.

On those rare occasions when I couldn't get a stack to open, I lock 
messages
and open the stack,...
FWIW when you do get a corrupted stack you will see an error dialog 
"There was a problem opening that stack: stack is corrupted, check for 
~ backup file".

This happens even with messages locked- you can't even open the stack 
at all.

As I'm sure you know, Rev loads your whole stack(s) in memory and 
works with
them while in memory. So, the *only* time a stack can get corrupted is
during a save or save as (or virus).
Which is why I think there must be a problem with Rev's save routines. 
These corrupted stacks have occurred on various different OS X 
installations with different hard disks, different CPUs, different OS 
versions, etc. No OS crashes or Revolution.app crashes have preceded 
the corrupted stack either.

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Re: corrupted stack

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Chipp Walters wrote:

> I've similar experiences as Richard with this. Since using Rev, I've (knock
> on wood) *never* experienced a corrupted stack --and I've crashed Rev a
> bunch ;-)

That raises a good question:  could there be anything unique to the stack
file in question or its scripts that makes it more prone to corruption?

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RE: corrupted stack

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Alex,

I've similar experiences as Richard with this. Since using Rev, I've (knock
on wood) *never* experienced a corrupted stack --and I've crashed Rev a
bunch ;-)

On those rare occasions when I couldn't get a stack to open, I lock messages
and open the stack, then comment out all the

on preOpenStack
on openStack
on startup

handlers and go from there. Usually it's something in one of those handlers.
As I'm sure you know, Rev loads your whole stack(s) in memory and works with
them while in memory. So, the *only* time a stack can get corrupted is
during a save or save as (or virus). I'm using XP. You're mileage may vary
if on Mac.

altArchive has saved by *%$ quite a few times also! For those of you who may
be lurking and don't know, altArchive is a free plugin which saves iterative
versions of your stack and puts them in an 'archive folder' at the same
level as your stack. More can be found at:

<http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Rev2.0Plugins.htm>

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Re: corrupted stack

[Richard Gaskin]

Alex Rice wrote:

> On Oct 30, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Alex Rice wrote:
> 
>> This "~" file is starting to take on mythic proportions for me. I've
>> had stacks get corrupted several times, and not once have I been able
>> to see a "~" backup file.
> 
> continuing that thought...
> 
> So is there, or should there be a bugzilla bug for "stacks being
> corrupted with no ~ backup stack existing for recovery"?

I would bug it.  The engine itself seems generally reliable in this regard,
so it may be something in the interactions with the IDE.  As an additional
data point, since 1997 I've only had one corrupted stack with MC, and in all
cases where a save was terminated (fatal error elsewhere in the system,
power outage, me doing something stupid) there was a "~" copy to work from.

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Re: corrupted stack

[Alex Rice]

On Oct 30, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Alex Rice wrote:

This "~" file is starting to take on mythic proportions for me. I've 
had stacks get corrupted several times, and not once have I been able 
to see a "~" backup file.
continuing that thought...

So is there, or should there be a bugzilla bug for "stacks being 
corrupted with no ~ backup stack existing for recovery"?

Chipp's revArchive pluging is saving my A%% again.

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Re: corrupted stack

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On Oct 23, 2003, at 6:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Is there a copy of the stack in the same directory with a tidle after 
its
name? (e.g., MtStack.rv~)   if so, that's a backup created bythe 
engine as a
temp file when doing saves -- if you have such a file you should be 
able to
just remove the tilde and get back to work.
This "~" file is starting to take on mythic proportions for me. I've 
had stacks get corrupted several times, and not once have I been able 
to see a "~" backup file.

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Re: corrupted stack

[Richard Gaskin]

John mnic wrote:

> There was a problem opening that stack.
> file is not a stack
> 
> I am not able to go to the stack.
> 
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to retrieve my data lost in this
> stack?

Is there a copy of the stack in the same directory with a tidle after its
name? (e.g., MtStack.rv~)   if so, that's a backup created bythe engine as a
temp file when doing saves -- if you have such a file you should be able to
just remove the tilde and get back to work.
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corrupted stack

[John mnic]

Hi,
 
I use Rev 2.1.1 and XP Pro.
 
Last night I was using Rev and had a stack open. Another program running
at the same time crashed and the whole system hung, including Rev.
 
I forced a restart and upon trying to reopen my stack I received the
following error message. 
 
There was a problem opening that stack.
file is not a stack
 
I am not able to go to the stack.
 
 
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to retrieve my data lost in this
stack?
I've searched most of the archive mailing list.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Corrupted stack

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Hello, 

I tryed to open a Revolution Stack with BBEdit Lite. Then, when I want to 
open this stack with Revolution, I have the message : this is a corrupted 
stack file. 

Is there a possibility to repair corrupted stack file ? 

Thank you. 

Edouard 

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Edouard, 

You OF COURSE made a copy of the stack file, then tried to open teh copy 
with BBEdit lite, R-I-G-H-T ? So, just delete the corrupted one and use the 
original! 

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Corrupted stack

[doupsy]

Hello,

I tryed to open a Revolution Stack with BBEdit Lite. Then, when I want 
to open this stack with Revolution, I have the message : this is a 
corrupted stack file.

Is there a possibility to repair corrupted stack file ?

Thank you.

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Re: Corrupted stack

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:08:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jan Schenkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Corrupted stack
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- Pierre Sahores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 17:06, Jim Hurley wrote:
 > [snip]
 >
 > I am pessimistic however. I did something
 profoundly stupid. (I am a
 > recovering Catholic; hence this need for
 confession.) I lost the
 > stack in question while I was working on it. It
 just disappeared from
 > the screen.
 If this occurs again, try always (from the message
 box) "set the visible
 of window #stack xxx to true" before any thing else.
And also try from the message box :
  set the topLeft of stack "Foobar" to 100,100
just in case it got sent somewhere off-screen.
Jan Schenkel.

Jan and Pierre,

You were both on the right track and thank you for the suggestions.

It turned out to be quite tricky.

I tried to open the file once again, and once again there was no 
visible stack. It wasn't even listed in the Window pull down menu. 
But this time it was the first stack I tried to open and lo and 
behold, I noticed that there was *another* stack and it was named 
"Utilities". Where in the world did that come from?

So I went to the Application browser and the property inspector and 
found that the stack Utilities had a width of 20 pixels and a height 
of 20 pixels. And the property inspector wouldn't allow me to 
increase these values. My stack had changed its name and permanently 
shrunk.

Well, to make a long story short (actually too late for that) I 
discovered that I had originally been attempting to give a pull down 
menu (named Utilities) an icon. Apparently I had selected the *stack* 
and not the Utilities *button*. I had renamed the stack "Utilities", 
and given it a 20x20 icon. So, of course, my stack disappeared, or 
rather shrank to a tiny icon and I just didn't see it. Furthermore 
when I tried to open it in RR 1..1 I got a message: "stack 
corrupted," and I assumed the  worst.

(I know there is a value to giving the stack and the file different 
names, but this often trips me up. I was opening a file  named 
"Optics" and getting a stack name "Utilities.")

Well, to make a long story story (again) I set the stack icon to 0 
and renamed the stack, and so all is now well. Whew!

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Re: Corrupted stack

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--- Pierre Sahores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 17:06, Jim Hurley wrote:
> > [snip]
> > 
> > I am pessimistic however. I did something
> profoundly stupid. (I am a 
> > recovering Catholic; hence this need for
> confession.) I lost the 
> > stack in question while I was working on it. It
> just disappeared from 
> > the screen. 
> 
> If this occurs again, try always (from the message
> box) "set the visible
> of window #stack xxx to true" before any thing else.
> 

And also try from the message box :
  set the topLeft of stack "Foobar" to 100,100
just in case it got sent somewhere off-screen.

Jan Schenkel.

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Re: Corrupted stack

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On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 17:06, Jim Hurley wrote:
> >__--
> >
> >Message: 9
> >Subject: Re: Corrupted stack
> >From: Pierre Sahores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Organization:
> >Date: 22 Jul 2003 23:43:05 +0200
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:12, Jim Hurley wrote:
> >>  Ouch!  I lost a stack while working in 2.0
> >>
> >>  The stack still appears on my hard drive and is 572 K  in size. So
> >>  there is something there.
> >>
> >>  I  tried to open it in RR 1.1.1 and I got a message "Stack corrupted;
> >>  check for ~ backup."
> >>
> >>  I searched my drive for a tilde file and found nothing.
> >>
> >>  I'm afraid I've been spoiled by RR's reliability and took no precautions.
> >>
> >>  Any ideas on recovery?
> >>
> >>  Depressed,
> >>
> >>  Jim
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> >Try to see if a temporary backup issue of the corrupted stack is still
> >available on the hard disk. If yes, save a copy of this stack and try to
> >reopen it, directly. Test the revert command too of the corrupted stack.
> >Both this methods have only chance to work if you did'nt quit the RR
> >session along witch the stack has been saved in its actual corrupted
> >state.
> >
> >If this don't work, try to restore the stack in searching among the
> >temporary files you can see on your hard drive in using tools like
> >"Norton Utilites".
> >
> >Hope this can help.
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> Pierre,
> 
> Thanks for the tips. I'll see what Norton can do for me.
> 
> I am pessimistic however. I did something profoundly stupid. (I am a 
> recovering Catholic; hence this need for confession.) I lost the 
> stack in question while I was working on it. It just disappeared from 
> the screen. 

If this occurs again, try always (from the message box) "set the visible
of window #stack xxx to true" before any thing else.


> I tried to reopen it from the open menu but Rev assumed 
> it was already active. So I decided to shut down and start over. And, 
> is my habit when closing RR, I *saved* all running stacks, thus, 
> apparently saving the corruption. I suspect, therefore, that any 
> files I find will also be corrupted.
> 
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Re: Corrupted stack

[Jim Hurley]

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From: Pierre Sahores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization:
Date: 22 Jul 2003 23:43:05 +0200
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On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:12, Jim Hurley wrote:
 Ouch!  I lost a stack while working in 2.0

 The stack still appears on my hard drive and is 572 K  in size. So
 there is something there.
 I  tried to open it in RR 1.1.1 and I got a message "Stack corrupted;
 check for ~ backup."
 I searched my drive for a tilde file and found nothing.

 I'm afraid I've been spoiled by RR's reliability and took no precautions.

 Any ideas on recovery?

 Depressed,

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Try to see if a temporary backup issue of the corrupted stack is still
available on the hard disk. If yes, save a copy of this stack and try to
reopen it, directly. Test the revert command too of the corrupted stack.
Both this methods have only chance to work if you did'nt quit the RR
session along witch the stack has been saved in its actual corrupted
state.
If this don't work, try to restore the stack in searching among the
temporary files you can see on your hard drive in using tools like
"Norton Utilites".
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Pierre,

Thanks for the tips. I'll see what Norton can do for me.

I am pessimistic however. I did something profoundly stupid. (I am a 
recovering Catholic; hence this need for confession.) I lost the 
stack in question while I was working on it. It just disappeared from 
the screen. I tried to reopen it from the open menu but Rev assumed 
it was already active. So I decided to shut down and start over. And, 
is my habit when closing RR, I *saved* all running stacks, thus, 
apparently saving the corruption. I suspect, therefore, that any 
files I find will also be corrupted.

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Re: Corrupted stack

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On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 23:12, Jim Hurley wrote:
> Ouch!  I lost a stack while working in 2.0
> 
> The stack still appears on my hard drive and is 572 K  in size. So 
> there is something there.
> 
> I  tried to open it in RR 1.1.1 and I got a message "Stack corrupted; 
> check for ~ backup."
> 
> I searched my drive for a tilde file and found nothing.
> 
> I'm afraid I've been spoiled by RR's reliability and took no precautions.
> 
> Any ideas on recovery?
> 
> Depressed,
> 
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Try to see if a temporary backup issue of the corrupted stack is still
available on the hard disk. If yes, save a copy of this stack and try to
reopen it, directly. Test the revert command too of the corrupted stack.
Both this methods have only chance to work if you did'nt quit the RR
session along witch the stack has been saved in its actual corrupted
state.

If this don't work, try to restore the stack in searching among the
temporary files you can see on your hard drive in using tools like
"Norton Utilites".

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Corrupted stack

[Jim Hurley]

Ouch!  I lost a stack while working in 2.0

The stack still appears on my hard drive and is 572 K  in size. So 
there is something there.

I  tried to open it in RR 1.1.1 and I got a message "Stack corrupted; 
check for ~ backup."

I searched my drive for a tilde file and found nothing.

I'm afraid I've been spoiled by RR's reliability and took no precautions.

Any ideas on recovery?

Depressed,

Jim
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