Android Software Piracy
Here is a discouraging article from Network World on how easy and popular it is to pirate software on Android. http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/092910-google-android- piracy.html?hpg1=bn Bill Vlahos ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Piracy
Hi all, Back at the beginning of the new millennium I wrote an article entitled Blue Beard and Captain Kidd for the original Macinstruct.com. Following a similar theme with an article this past week on the Runtime Revolution Newsletter, I was prompted to reprint my earlier effort. It should be recommended reading to all who write and use software on any platform. http://www.macinstruct.com/node/67 Enjoy, Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Piracy
The software authors who make the most money focus more time on getting people to use their software and getting their friends to use their software than the time they spend preventing people from using their software. That said, you have to profile your typical customer. If you produce a game that is used by the younger crowd (action shoot'em up), you'll need lots of protection because breaking protections and sharing codes is part of the game for them. If you produce a game for the older crowd (solitaire, poker), they just want to play the game to it's fullest and make sure they can get updates and support, they don't typically share keys. Some of the more successful software has had some of the lamest protection because their user base (the one that is going to pay) values the connection to the developer that paying gets them. Kee Nethery ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Piracy
Greetings! Has anyone come up with a decent way to deal with piracy? I'm getting ready to release a commercial application and wondered if there is anyway to stop someone from just giving it to a friend. [I would like my application to function off-line. So, doing a look-up via the web is out.] Any thoughts, ideas or solutions out there? Thank you in advance, Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Piracy
On Jun 13, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Dan Friedman wrote: Greetings! Has anyone come up with a decent way to deal with piracy? I'm getting ready to release a commercial application and wondered if there is anyway to stop someone from just giving it to a friend. [I would like my application to function off-line. So, doing a look-up via the web is out.] Any thoughts, ideas or solutions out there? Thank you in advance, Dan Dan, I don't think that such method exists. Beware of creating anoying methods for this will just piss up you users. A simple scheme is the serial number tied to an email, if it leaks, at least you'll know who leaked it. I don't think no one will ever be able to enforce good piracy protection, even hardware keys can be cracked. The best practice is be just with your price, create simple serial number scheme. Create quality apps that make people want to buy (Like: he is such a nice guy, let us help him.) cheers andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Piracy
Dan (Great name) I think the most convenient and accepted manner is to require users to register the product, issue a serial number, and then store that serial number someplace where your program can locate it but it isn't part of the program itself or necessarily obvious for the user to copy if they try to share the program illegally. Your program on launch would check for that file and perhaps validate it against an algorithm. If it doesn't find the file or the serial number is invalid for some reason, then you ask the user to register the program. I know there are some schemes for generating serial numbers that drive algorithmically off the user's name or email address. Those are a bit more secure, probably, but they might be unnecessarily cumbersome. Andre is of course ultimately correct; there is no foolproof way to prevent piracy. The best you can hope for is to make it sufficiently difficult or inconvenient when compared to the price of your product that potential pirates just don't see it being worth it to rip you off. On Jun 13, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: Greetings! Has anyone come up with a decent way to deal with piracy? I'm getting ready to release a commercial application and wondered if there is anyway to stop someone from just giving it to a friend. [I would like my application to function off-line. So, doing a look-up via the web is out.] Any thoughts, ideas or solutions out there? Thank you in advance, Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Piracy
Dan, There is no foolproof way. If the price of the product warrants it, you can hardwire the user's name/company onto the opening splash screen: Licensed to XYZ © 2005 by Me, all rights reserved. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Piracy
I have a near perfect registering code that SoftSeven uses. no 2 computers uses the same key Interested reply back. At 11:39 AM 6/13/2005, you wrote: Greetings! Has anyone come up with a decent way to deal with piracy? I'm getting ready to release a commercial application and wondered if there is anyway to stop someone from just giving it to a friend. [I would like my application to function off-line. So, doing a look-up via the web is out.] Any thoughts, ideas or solutions out there? Thank you in advance, Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Paul Salyers PS1 - Senior Rep. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org (918) 465-7426 -- Cell (918) 967-1013 -- Home ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Piracy
Finally, something I can offer some advice to !! Dan I agree with the sentiments of the other respondees to your question, but you've gotta do something to slow down some of the pirates, don't you ? We don't do many shrink wrapped apps, but recently I was talked into producing a custom wine labelling thang that was going to be sold on-line (down-loadable) and in stores (via CD). We used a scheme that seems to have had some success for us over the years, without putting too much hassle on the customers, although it's far from NATO secure!! We use embedded code to get the drive serial number the app is loaded on (running from) and scramble it via an algorithm to generate a challenge key, which we then ask the customer for when registering the product. We then have a little app in-house that generates the unlock key from the challenge key, this app is also a database that keeps track of whom has got what keys. If it's a downloaded copy we know who purchased it and will log the challenge and resulting unlock keys in case somebody looses their unlock key. With the CD version we print a randomly generated CD Key label (stuck /*inside */the case) and ask the customers for that, along with their challenge key, before we will issue an unlock key. The CD Key also gets logged in the db along with customer details. We only sell CD's to distributors and have no idea who the end customer is until they call us for an unlock key, so in essence, the CD Key is proof of purchase of the CD. An added benefit for us is that by keeping track of who is using the s/w allows us to contact them should there be an update. Of course we /*never */have bugs, so that's not a problem ;-) We feel that the casual pirate will think twice before trying to get a new unlock key from us, although we fully expect to allow people to move drives/PC's by giving them a limited number of unlock keys. I'd willingly let you have a copy of the code/stacks (minus the encryption algorithm !!) but unfortunately it's written in Perl. We did have a version written in ToolBook OpenScript some time ago, so it can be done in a script-based language with no problem. HTH, Bob... Has anyone come up with a decent way to deal with piracy? I'm getting ready to release a commercial application and wondered if there is anyway to stop someone from just giving it to a friend. [I would like my application to function off-line. So, doing a look-up via the web is out.] Any thoughts, ideas or solutions out there? Thank you in advance, Dan -- Robert J. Earp - Ashford Training Technologies* *18059 21A Avenue, South Surrey, British Columbia, Canada. V3S 9V7 T:(1)604 541 1662 Cel:(1)604 612 6688 F:(1)604 541 1686 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Piracy
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Re: Piracy
Hi Robert et al. I think there are two factors you must consider. 1) Price How much are you going to charge for the app? If it's under $150, then simple schemes should work. IMO, most people who want to rip you off, will. What you want is to 'nudge' users from the free/demo/trial version to the 'paid for' version. 2) License type This is actually step-in-step with price. Just about all of Altuit's products are licensed to USERS, not COMPUTERS. I believe this is a much fairer license, and one I would rather use as a consumer. Robert, you and others have tried to create a regCode tied to hardware. While this is fine for high priced software, IMO, it hurts only your paying customers. Say a hard disk goes out, or a motherboard, then they can't install your product. Say they buy a new machine and donate the old one to the needy. They can no longer install/use your product. Say they have a desktop and a laptop, they can only install it on one. This type of license is more 'customer friendly' while also encouraging sales. I know you can offer them 'multiple keys'-- like MS Office does. Still, it is a pain to be a paying customer and ask for a new key, or know you only have 3 of them. If someone wants to steal your software, they will. But making it 'harder' on paying customers, IMO, is not good business. Just my 2 cents. best, Chipp Robert J. Earp wrote: We use embedded code to get the drive serial number the app is loaded on (running from) and scramble it via an algorithm to generate a challenge key, which we then ask the customer for when registering the product. We then have a little app in-house that generates the unlock key from the challenge key, this app is also a database that keeps track of whom has got what keys. If it's a downloaded copy we know who purchased it and will log the challenge and resulting unlock keys in case somebody looses their unlock key. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Piracy
Chipp Walters wrote: If someone wants to steal your software, they will. But making it 'harder' on paying customers, IMO, is not good business. Just my 2 cents. Agreed wholeheartedly. While it's essential to provide at least a level of effort that prevents temptation of otherwise-paying customers, those who will not pay will never pay. The level of effort used by the major software vendors (relatively simple reg scheme, sometimes with phone-home) is probably adequate for most products; beyond that, investing in security starts moving toward negative returns quickly. It's usually far more profitable to put that time into feature development and marketing, rather than letting a group of malcontent Russian teenagers steer your companies priorities. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Newton (Was: Re: About Piracy but not about that guy...)
Jeffrey Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use to do the old paper passing battleship game in long boring meetings with the newton's ir messaging with the other newton toting guy in the company! everyone thought we were just taking good notes on a cool new machine! at least none of us yelled out 'you sunk my battleship'... Got this game ;-) Do you know that there is a Newton Talk List? This is the NewtonTalk list - http://www.newtontalk.net/ for all inquiries Official Newton FAQ: http://www.chuma.org/newton/faq/ WikiWikiNewt for all kinds of articles: http://tools.unna.org/wikiwikinewt/ Pour les francophones, il y a aussi une liste Newton : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]subject=subscribe -- Revolutionario and new MP130 :-) How about porting RR on Newton? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Piracy and list policy
Dear All, Sorry for the delayed response, since I got back from holiday I've been a little too busy catching up with support to monitor this list closely. The gentleman responsible for the recent furore is about to be banned as soon as I've finished writing this email. In case anyone remains in any doubt, piracy, warez, and solicitations to break the law will never be tolerated on this list. Being young is not a crime, but actions have consequences and one of those consequences is getting banned from public lists when you make inappropriate statements. I now return you to your regular discussion, which should be about using Revolution, within the law, and for all the many diverse purposes to which it can be put. Warm regards, Heather Listmom and ruffled feather soother ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy but not about the guy...
on Wed, 01 Jun 2005 J. Landman Gay wrote: He likes to download free stuff, and he downloaded a trial of Revolution after seeing it mentioned somewhere. Ben, here are plenty free downloable software: http://www.theopencd.org/ I hope to find the time to learn Blender, someday. We can guide him if he is willing, or shut him out if he isn't. But he's a kid. Probably 12-14. As Richard said, Ben could become a valuable member of this community. He has to find the time to create his own webpage and share his programs and RR learning experience with all us. I had to confess that it's very difficult to understand completely Ben's writing and if you are like me, when you do not understand something, simply tune out and continue to next message. al Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy but not about that guy...
Andre Garzia wrote: On the subject of piracy. Does anyone here remembers the Apple Newton? Each newton had a unique ID that could not be spoofed, so the combination of unique ID and the users own data was a good way to generate serials, for example to register an app you'd open a webpage and enter your email and your newton unique id. This way piaracy was minimal for no one could forge or fake a newton ID... I think computers should have the same thing, would make life easier. You mean, if my machine breaks, and I replace it, I need to re-register all the programs I ever bought ? What about programs from companies that go out of business or just disappear ? I think that's a very user-unfriendly form of registration; once I've bought software, I should be able to run it on any machine I want to - limited to one machine at a time if the software mfr chooses, or to one user id, or ... But should not be limited to one piece of (breakable, losable) hardware without some guaranteed way to switch to a replacement. Hmmm - I guess I would feel better about that kind of scheme if the registration (and re-registration) were used by multiple software manufacturers, and the registration was handled say by a third-party or particularly large company (e.g. Apple) or some escrow provider. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 02/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy but not about that guy...
Alex, What if the computer ID was contained on a removable chip (like the GSM chips in a cell phone)? Then, if the computer broke, or you upgraded to a new computer, you would just move the chip. I know, what if the chip failed? Since it would be just a single, simple chip, failure would be less likely. Vendors would probably offer overnight chip replacement. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy but not about that guy...
Alex- Thursday, June 2, 2005, 6:49:31 AM, you wrote: AT I think that's a very user-unfriendly form of registration; once I've but that's the way Microsoft handles client licenses... oh, right, I guess that's what you were saying... g -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy but not about the guy...
Hey, if you can figure it out, can you clue me in? I spent about 15 very frustrated minutes with it and couldn't figure out what to do with it! Judy On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Ben, here are plenty free downloable software: http://www.theopencd.org/ I hope to find the time to learn Blender, someday. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy but not about that guy...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex, What if the computer ID was contained on a removable chip (like the GSM chips in a cell phone)? Then, if the computer broke, or you upgraded to a new computer, you would just move the chip. That would be much better. I know, what if the chip failed? Since it would be just a single, simple chip, failure would be less likely. Vendors would probably offer overnight chip replacement. I wouldn't worry about chip failure; upgrading to a new laptop or desktop is fairly common - for me it happens every year or every other year (my wife plays a lot of computer games, so she needs to keep fairly up-to-date on hardware, and I get her cast-offs). Chip failure (esp. of a simple one like this) would be much less common, so waiting for an overnight shipment would be rare enough to not worry about it. There are still other issues - I use 2 laptops and 3 desktop machines, do I need 1 or 5 licenses ? multiple chips on one machine ? etc. - but a SIM-chip like solution would be far better than hardwiring to something fixed within the hardware (which I think is what the Newton did). -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 02/06/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: About Piracy but not about the guy...
Judy, Obviously you didn't read the documentation's explanation regarding that. Awesome GUI... It can be scripted even - i think also there's automotive industry usage but unconfirmed - yet capable... Made for working in 3d... But definitely not productive for casual work. As a lefty and a freehand graphic-gui freek - i gave it up too - too modal - it was easier to learn playing piano with two hands! Any other excellent 3D packages after Alejandro's Rev3D ? ;)) cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Perry Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 19:54 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: About Piracy but not about the guy... Hey, if you can figure it out, can you clue me in? I spent about 15 very frustrated minutes with it and couldn't figure out what to do with it! Judy On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Ben, here are plenty free downloable software: http://www.theopencd.org/ I hope to find the time to learn Blender, someday. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy but not about the guy...
On Jun 2, 2005, at 4:11 PM, MisterX wrote: Any other excellent 3D packages after Alejandro's Rev3D ? ;)) Lightwave 8.3? I learned Blender. It is great for free, but pales against the polish and features of the commercial tools. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: About Piracy but not about the guy...
Yeah, possibly, or maybe I didn't. My only recollections are along the lines of 'what the ?' Judy On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, MisterX wrote: Judy, Obviously you didn't read the documentation's explanation regarding that. Awesome GUI... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
About Software piracy, Capital Letters and people who I wish banished from this list [was no subject]
Hi Ben, i am very angry. If I had seen your posts earlier I would have contacted the list moderators ASAP. I wish that you stop spreading the word of WAREZ sites NOW! If you think that you can do what you want on the Web I´m sure someone will proof you wrong. Your statements are not acceptable to me. What you do is illegal and could harm both my ethical principles and the usability of this list. Don´t you know that internet communities can be shut down for posting such CRAP? Also the way you talk to Richard isn´t acceptable in any form. If you can live with stealing that is your biz. I can´t. I will cc- this to Heather and see what she has to say. I really hope you get banished from this list. If you want to do me a favour: Steal another tool and troll away! You deserve my disrespect! Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Software piracy, Capital Letters and people who I wishbanished from this list [was no subject]
Sorry to hear that don't email me again got the message? Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Software piracy, Capital Letters and people who Iwishbanished from this list [was no subject]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to hear that don't email me again got the message? Malte does not promote crime; instead he promotes its enforcement. To fulfill your request you are welcome (and encouraged) to unsubscribe from this list. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
About Software piracy, Capital Letters and people who I wishbanished from this list [was no subject]
Sorry to hear that don't email me again got the message? Ben Just in case you don´t know. You post everything on this list into the public: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-June/date.html See? And I won´t stop posting to the list to do you a favour. If you don´t want mail from me you have to unsubscribe. Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Piracy
Ben, Yours is one of the more illogical, incoherent, disrespectful (and perhaps downright stupid) piles of rambling rationalizations I've ever heard. Stealing is fundamentally wrong! Advising others to steal is wrong! Richard was trying to do you a favor, reorienting your moral compass - you should thank him. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Software piracy, Capital Letters and people who I wishbanished from this list [was no subject]
Malte, I love your postings! I do want to read your mail. Tom On Jun 1, 2005, at 7:55 PM, Malte Brill wrote: See? And I won´t stop posting to the list to do you a favour. If you don´t want mail from me you have to unsubscribe. Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Software piracy, Capital Letters and people who Iwishbanished from this list [was no subject]
On Jun 1, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: To fulfill your request you are welcome (and encouraged) to unsubscribe from this list. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation I also invite you to unsubscribe from the list. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Piracy
Can I second this. Thank you Paul Tom On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, Yours is one of the more illogical, incoherent, disrespectful (and perhaps downright stupid) piles of rambling rationalizations I've ever heard. Stealing is fundamentally wrong! Advising others to steal is wrong! Richard was trying to do you a favor, reorienting your moral compass - you should thank him. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Software piracy, Capital Letters and people who I wishbanished from this list [was no subject]
On Jun 1, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Malte Brill wrote: Just in case you don´t know. You post everything on this list into the public: It is interesting that you mention that. I was just thinking that those messages sure look like code to me. But I won't mention that on a public list, because it might be just a thinking style and I wouldn't want to hurt somebody's feelings. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
About Piracy but not about that guy...
On the subject of piracy. Does anyone here remembers the Apple Newton? Each newton had a unique ID that could not be spoofed, so the combination of unique ID and the users own data was a good way to generate serials, for example to register an app you'd open a webpage and enter your email and your newton unique id. This way piaracy was minimal for no one could forge or fake a newton ID... I think computers should have the same thing, would make life easier. the newton is/was the most amazing machine I ever used... andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy (Newton)
Andre, Still have my Newton. Often think what a wonderful thing a modern Newton could be: faster processor, more memory, lion battery, full color screen (for showing iPhoto pictures), wireless broadband, etc. Of course, I remember HyperCard fondly as well, drive a 20 year old car, wear 30 year old shoes, live in a 95 year old home - newer is not always better. Thanks for the good thoughts about an old friend. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy but not about that guy...
On Jun 1, 2005, at 11:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: the newton is/was the most amazing machine I ever used... Gotta pop in to agree with Andre. Hand held devices are just beginning to catch up with where the Newton was many years ago. Imagine if the Newton were still in development. My Palm Treo650 is *almost* as functional as my MP110. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy but not about that guy...
Funny you should mention the Newton. Foster-child #1 just picked it up and informed me that it needs new batteries (isn't running off AAs just about the coolest thing ever?) Even today, should I take it with me to the post office or to class where there are 'seasoned' CS majors who know everything, the response to the Newton is nearly universal: 'How kewl!!!' For all that it is/was panned, I wonder which of the panners ever actually used one. Judy On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Andre Garzia wrote: On the subject of piracy. Does anyone here remembers the Apple Newton? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy (Newton)
It is/was just so wy coool... I mean, in the middle of a text-doc (either recognizing your handwriting, which it did really well given that I was a secondary owner with not great handwriting, or using its tap-screen keyboard), you can switch into 'ink' mode (or whatever it was called) and start drawing pictures within the same app. And I never did anything other than a really superficial usage of the Newton! (btw, for anyone interested, the Newton still has a _very_ active mailing list. if interested, send me an email and I will send you back the info if you want). Keep the Green! Judy On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre, Still have my Newton. Often think what a wonderful thing a modern Newton could be: faster processor, more memory, lion battery, full color screen (for showing iPhoto pictures), wireless broadband, etc. Of course, I remember HyperCard fondly as well, drive a 20 year old car, wear 30 year old shoes, live in a 95 year old home - newer is not always better. Thanks for the good thoughts about an old friend. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy (Newton)
I was going to stay out of this one but I can't. Steve Weyer, a good buddy of mine from Apple days (he was an ATG deity) formed a Newton software company when he left the company. He was one of the Newton principals and did a TON of great software for the platform. Not sure where he is or what he's doing these days but I dug up an email address and pinged it. Newton was such a great product that even Apple didn't appreciate what it had. General Magic tried to build on the concept and went bust when ATT got impatient. Nothing today comes close. (I have a Treo 600 and it's a pale imitation at best.) ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest On Jun 1, 2005, at 9:12 PM, Judy Perry wrote: It is/was just so wy coool... I mean, in the middle of a text-doc (either recognizing your handwriting, which it did really well given that I was a secondary owner with not great handwriting, or using its tap-screen keyboard), you can switch into 'ink' mode (or whatever it was called) and start drawing pictures within the same app. And I never did anything other than a really superficial usage of the Newton! (btw, for anyone interested, the Newton still has a _very_ active mailing list. if interested, send me an email and I will send you back the info if you want). Keep the Green! Judy On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre, Still have my Newton. Often think what a wonderful thing a modern Newton could be: faster processor, more memory, lion battery, full color screen (for showing iPhoto pictures), wireless broadband, etc. Of course, I remember HyperCard fondly as well, drive a 20 year old car, wear 30 year old shoes, live in a 95 year old home - newer is not always better. Thanks for the good thoughts about an old friend. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About Piracy but not about that guy...
ahh my old newton, how i still love it. it sits on the desk (not really used much except to turn on once and a while), but i's one of the clear developer ones that is just too kwel for words... Good thought taking it to show some newbie cs majors! I'll have to show my nephew starting grad school in cs this fall! unfortunate how ahead of the times it was! I use to do the old paper passing battleship game in long boring meetings with the newton's ir messaging with the other newton toting guy in the company! everyone thought we were just taking good notes on a cool new machine! at least none of us yelled out 'you sunk my battleship'... its now part of the old collection of the sinclair z80, kpro, basis 108, mac plus... cheers, Jeffrey Reynolds On Jun 1, 2005, at 11:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of piracy. Does anyone here remembers the Apple Newton? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
