Re: Rev 2.5 as CGI

[Kat]

Hi Gary,

Welcome to Revolution!  A good place I've found to start learning about 
RevCGI is at Jacque Landman Gay's site, 
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/


She has links to other resources along the same vein as well.

Good luck!

Cheers,
Kat
http://rugusa.linguistix.net


Gary Thompson wrote:


Hello All,

When I purchased Runtime Revolution last month one of the things that  
interested me was the capability to quote the web site "Let  
Transcript run facelessly on your server as a script language."


I would like to experiment with this concept under OS X. I'm running  
Tiger if that has any impact. Any and all help/guidance would be  
greatly appreciated.


Thanks,
Gary Thompson

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Rev 2.5 as CGI

[Gary Thompson]

Hello All,

When I purchased Runtime Revolution last month one of the things that  
interested me was the capability to quote the web site "Let  
Transcript run facelessly on your server as a script language."


I would like to experiment with this concept under OS X. I'm running  
Tiger if that has any impact. Any and all help/guidance would be  
greatly appreciated.


Thanks,
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Re: Problems with Run Rev 2.5 on OS X 10.2.3

[Bruce Lewis]

OS 10.3.7 Revolution 2.5.1 version released a day or two ago.

RevOnLine and documentation both work fine.

In fact, RevOnLine seems much more responsive than I remember in the past
(though I have not used it much).

Bruce

At 7:32 AM -0800 3/18/05, Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>Using 2.5 I cannot access either the "rev OnLIne" or the
>"Documentation" windows. They are completely intert: Can't close or
>move them. Can't a access any of the buttons. They give me no
>respect. I need to do a "forced quit" to get rid of them.
>
>Anyone out there using  2.5 on 10.2.3? Any problems?
>
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Problems with Run Rev 2.5 on OS X 10.2.3

[Jim Hurley]

Little help please.
We (Run Rev support and I) are trying to decide whether my problems 
with the new 2.5 version of Run Rev are system related or not.

Using 2.5 I cannot access either the "rev OnLIne" or the 
"Documentation" windows. They are completely intert: Can't close or 
move them. Can't a access any of the buttons. They give me no 
respect. I need to do a "forced quit" to get rid of them.

Anyone out there using  2.5 on 10.2.3? Any problems?
(I understand that my problems disappear using 10.2.8  I am loath to 
upgrade. I did once, but was forced to do a clean install when I 
later had to do a reinstall. Not something I want to go through 
again. Waiting for 10.4 to take the next step; or, to be on the safe 
side, 10.4.1.)

Thanks,
Jim
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Rev 2.5 cgi and mySQL status...

[Andre Garzia]

Hi Folks,
I remember seeing threads here about Rev 2.5 engine not loading the 
database externals and the mysql database driver. My memory might be 
faulty, can someone point me if there's any bug in 2.5 release that 
would stop a CGI running under apache with plain 2.5 engine, database 
externals and mySQL database driver from running? No, I haven't tried 
yet, I was using 2.2 release and I want to upgrade myserver to 2.5, 
just wanted to know if something will stop working...

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Re: RunRev minimum requirements [was: Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1]

[Judy Perry]

Yes, and I know I brought up the issue some time ago with respect to the
educational community, in which Win 98 or even Win95 can be a deployment
issue.

I had to deploy my master's project stack on old Windows with I think
something like either 32 or 64 MG RAM.  Tops.  As in, "extremely painful".
(and this was higher ed!)

Now, I don't have some funny insistence that Rev support Win 3.11 or Mac
OS 6.x, but I'd like to have some sorts of "heads-up" that, 'while Win98
is supported, you'll wish that it wasn't' advice.

;-)

Judy

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, graham samuel wrote:

> Curry, FWIW when I had an issue with RunRev on Windows 98 I got some
> similar responses - one of which pointed out that Microsoft itself had
> abandoned the OS - but I knew that there were many people out there
> wanting to use my stuff that were still using W98 and likely to
> continue for some time.
>
> What I think RR might perhaps do is to give developers (us) some
> pre-warning of their intention to drop an old OS or an old minimum
> system requirement like RAM or screen size - saying for example you've
> got 6 months to persuade  your customers to upgrade. This could be
> useful from a marketing point of view, I think.

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RunRev minimum requirements [was: Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1]

[graham samuel]

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:55:32 -0600, curry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]
(6. And this should be parenthetical because it is not the
issue--this is not about my personal computing happiness or me
"holding out" on 10.1. My intent is to make apps for others and I
want to know that the minimum requirements I list are accurate. I
would rather (if I can afford it) have the latest system on a new
computer than to upgrade this one. Okay? :-) No need to worry about
me personally, I'll be fine and I could upgrade if I choose, but that
wouldn't solve this issue at all, in fact it would make it worse in
the big picture, as far as Rev's compatibility is concerned.  This is
not about me, but about Rev and the apps we make with it.)
Curry, FWIW when I had an issue with RunRev on Windows 98 I got some 
similar responses - one of which pointed out that Microsoft itself had 
abandoned the OS - but I knew that there were many people out there 
wanting to use my stuff that were still using W98 and likely to 
continue for some time.

What I think RR might perhaps do is to give developers (us) some 
pre-warning of their intention to drop an old OS or an old minimum 
system requirement like RAM or screen size - saying for example you've 
got 6 months to persuade  your customers to upgrade. This could be 
useful from a marketing point of view, I think.

Graham
PS Dan wrote:
Just my two farthings. (What the heck is a farthing? I'm American. What
do I know?)
Sadly, even we Brits don't know what farthings are any more. You used 
to get them in change when you bought a loaf of bread when I was young 
(the price was fixed by the government), but farthings went the way of 
all flesh when we decimalised in 1971.

Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France

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Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1

[Richard Gaskin]

Scott Rossi wrote:
Recently, curry  wrote:

It's hard to believe, and a bit troubling, that the majority of
responses to my report about Rev 2.5 crashing on OS 10.1 have been
suggestions for me to upgrade. I'm sure this is meant well, but it's
not relevant. When I posted that I thought surely this is obvious
enough to need no long and drawn-out explanation

One question that would be worth asking is, do the Rev folks in fact support
10.1, or is the 10.0.3 a holdover spec that fell through the cracks as the
Rev engine and the Rev Web site have been updated.  It may be that they
don't officially support it.
They would be in good company.  It seems a majority of apps list their 
system req's as "10.2 or later."

OS X 10.1 was a very buggy beta.  ;)
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Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, curry  wrote:

> It's hard to believe, and a bit troubling, that the majority of
> responses to my report about Rev 2.5 crashing on OS 10.1 have been
> suggestions for me to upgrade. I'm sure this is meant well, but it's
> not relevant. When I posted that I thought surely this is obvious
> enough to need no long and drawn-out explanation

One question that would be worth asking is, do the Rev folks in fact support
10.1, or is the 10.0.3 a holdover spec that fell through the cracks as the
Rev engine and the Rev Web site have been updated.  It may be that they
don't officially support it.

As far as the suggestions to upgrade go, the responses may not be relevant
but are based on the fact that system 10.1 and versions thereabouts are
often unstable, unreliable, buggy, or at the least in a state of transition.
It's not that folks don't care Rev support here, it's the fact that no one
wants to work on an outdated version of the OS where you can't be sure about
what is crashing what.

I personally agree with you that provided support should follow stated
support, but how do plan to answer users of your software when they complain
about crashes that are due to the OS and not your programming?  At a certain
point, there is threshold to cross when supporting a previous OS is just not
worth the time and effort.  If that is the case here, the Rev guys should of
course acknowledge the fact in the specs.  But it sounds like you've entered
a bug report so they may be on this.

Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
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Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1

[curry]

It's hard to believe, and a bit troubling, that the majority of 
responses to my report about Rev 2.5 crashing on OS 10.1 have been 
suggestions for me to upgrade. I'm sure this is meant well, but it's 
not relevant. When I posted that I thought surely this is obvious 
enough to need no long and drawn-out explanation, but okay, here goes:

1. Rev is officially supported on 10.1. It's supposed to work on 
10.1. See the requirements quoted below.

2. Rev crashes on 10.1 (my version is 10.1.3), this officially 
supported OS version.

3. This is a bug (a critical one)-- and it's now #2632 in the 
Bugzilla database.

4. RunRev co. evidently wants Rev to work on the supported range, 
including 10.1; I previously submitted bug # 450, about Rev 2.1 
crashing. They appreciated the report and fixed the problem. (Kudos 
to them--I think it's great that they support it and fixed it.)

5. However, the problem is that the testing and fixing on 10.1 is 
happening too late--as long as this range is continued to be 
supported, it should be checked in alpha/beta with 10.1 so that the 
finals are in good shape. That was the main idea of my post here--Rev 
needs beta testing with 10.1. That's the point.

I think I did try out a 2.5 preview, and it didn't crash. But right 
about that time I got really busy with other things and didn't have 
time to keep up with Rev stuff for a while, so I didn't keep testing 
them. I'm coming back to spend more time with Rev now, but I only 
have access to public betas.

(6. And this should be parenthetical because it is not the 
issue--this is not about my personal computing happiness or me 
"holding out" on 10.1. My intent is to make apps for others and I 
want to know that the minimum requirements I list are accurate. I 
would rather (if I can afford it) have the latest system on a new 
computer than to upgrade this one. Okay? :-) No need to worry about 
me personally, I'll be fine and I could upgrade if I choose, but that 
wouldn't solve this issue at all, in fact it would make it worse in 
the big picture, as far as Rev's compatibility is concerned.  This is 
not about me, but about Rev and the apps we make with it.)

Curry
http://revolution.runrev.com/section/requirements.php
For the development environment:
Mac OS X 10.0.3 or later
Memory: 128MB total
Disk space: 50MB available
For compiled applications:
Mac OS X (any version)
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Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1

[Dan Shafer]

Curry
That was a very clear post. I appreciated it.
I suspect RR would be better off NOT trying to claim support for OS X 
prior to at least 10.1.5 and perhaps not before 10.2. I haven't seen 
any figures lately, but I don't think there are a lot of everyday Mac 
users out there running a version prior to 10.2 given all the 
publicized issues there were with 10.1.

Just my two farthings. (What the heck is a farthing? I'm American. What 
do I know?)

Dan
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Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1

[Thomas McGrath III]

absolutely do the upgrade..
You might want to wait until tiger is out though
tom
On Feb 23, 2005, at 9:59 PM, James Cass wrote:
I'm using Rev 2.0.3 and I was going to try out Rev 2.5, but it 
crashes on OSX 10.1.
Are you not even using 10.1.5?  Man, you really need to at least move 
to Jaguar (MacOSX 10.2.8).  It is a highly regarded opinion that 10.1 
had lots of problems that were finally fixed by 10.2.  That's my two 
kopeks.

-James
On Feb 23, 2005, at 9:06 PM, curry wrote:
I'm using Rev 2.0.3 and I was going to try out Rev 2.5, but it 
crashes on OSX 10.1. This leads me to assume that there must be no 
beta testers for Rev with 10.1--because the same thing happened with 
Rev 2.1, I reported a crash and it was later fixed. But 10.1 is 
officially supported, so it seems like a 10.1 beta tester is needed, 
otherwise this could happen every release. It needs to be checked in 
beta so that the release will work, otherwise it'll always be behind 
on 10.1 compatibility.

Curry
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Re: Rev 2.5

[Dan Shafer]

On Feb 23, 2005, at 6:22 PM, curry wrote:
I can't really try out 2.5 much because it crashes in too many 
situations with OSX 10.1, but I see enough to raise some questions.

Yeah, you should upgrade to OSX 10.2 or 10.3. Lots of good, non-Rev 
reasons to do so.

Does the RevOnline window always open when you open Revolution, or 
will it stay shut next time if you close it and quit (without 
crashing)?

It's a setting you can change in preferences.
I prefer selecting an object type in the tool palette and then 
clicking or dragging in the stack window to create it, as in Rev 2.0.3 
that I have. For those of you who have been with Rev for a while like 
me and have been working in 2.5 for a while, do you find the new way 
of dragging controls out better, worse, or not much difference when it 
comes to everyday use and convenience?

You can drag out controls or double-click to place them centrally and 
then drag them where you want them. It took me about a day to get used 
to the new paradigm.

Dan
Thanks,
Curry Kenworthy
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Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1

[curry]

Take a look at the official RunRev operating system requirements. 
It's *supposed* to work with 10.1. You don't think it's any big deal 
when the listed requirements don't match? Just upgrade as often as 
necessary?

If I upgraded, then I wouldn't know the difference, wouldn't I? (And 
apparently, RunRev co. wouldn't know either.) So listing minimum 
requirements would be completely meaningless. I'm using Rev to make 
apps for others, not just for myself. I want to know that what I list 
is the real thing and works, not just make a wild guess.

Curry
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Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1

[Dar Scott]

On Feb 23, 2005, at 7:59 PM, James Cass wrote:
I'm using Rev 2.0.3 and I was going to try out Rev 2.5, but it 
crashes on OSX 10.1.
Are you not even using 10.1.5?
I have a 10.1.5 that I test Rev against when I feel inclined.  Curry, I 
guess you have to be the 10.1 beta tester.  (Personally, I think it 
should be formally tested on all advertised platforms in alpha, or at 
least the scope and places in between.)

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Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1

[James Cass]

I'm using Rev 2.0.3 and I was going to try out Rev 2.5, but it crashes 
on OSX 10.1.
Are you not even using 10.1.5?  Man, you really need to at least move 
to Jaguar (MacOSX 10.2.8).  It is a highly regarded opinion that 10.1 
had lots of problems that were finally fixed by 10.2.  That's my two 
kopeks.

-James
On Feb 23, 2005, at 9:06 PM, curry wrote:
I'm using Rev 2.0.3 and I was going to try out Rev 2.5, but it crashes 
on OSX 10.1. This leads me to assume that there must be no beta 
testers for Rev with 10.1--because the same thing happened with Rev 
2.1, I reported a crash and it was later fixed. But 10.1 is officially 
supported, so it seems like a 10.1 beta tester is needed, otherwise 
this could happen every release. It needs to be checked in beta so 
that the release will work, otherwise it'll always be behind on 10.1 
compatibility.

Curry
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Rev 2.5

[curry]

I can't really try out 2.5 much because it crashes in too many 
situations with OSX 10.1, but I see enough to raise some questions.

Does the RevOnline window always open when you open Revolution, or 
will it stay shut next time if you close it and quit (without 
crashing)?

I prefer selecting an object type in the tool palette and then 
clicking or dragging in the stack window to create it, as in Rev 
2.0.3 that I have. For those of you who have been with Rev for a 
while like me and have been working in 2.5 for a while, do you find 
the new way of dragging controls out better, worse, or not much 
difference when it comes to everyday use and convenience?

Thanks,
Curry Kenworthy
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Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1

[curry]

I'm using Rev 2.0.3 and I was going to try out Rev 2.5, but it 
crashes on OSX 10.1. This leads me to assume that there must be no 
beta testers for Rev with 10.1--because the same thing happened with 
Rev 2.1, I reported a crash and it was later fixed. But 10.1 is 
officially supported, so it seems like a 10.1 beta tester is needed, 
otherwise this could happen every release. It needs to be checked in 
beta so that the release will work, otherwise it'll always be behind 
on 10.1 compatibility.

Curry
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Re: Rev 2.5 on WinXP: Issues with multiple monitors

[Alex Tweedly]

Robert Brenstein wrote:
I suspect it won't be changed, because it's common to create and 
manipulate "invisible" windows by positioning them off-screen, and it 
would be hard to figure the difference between that technique and the 
case where the user has switched from dual monitor to single monitor.
Alex.
Actually, IDE should distinguish between its own windows (stacks) and 
user windows (stacks). User windows should be left alone, of course, 
but IDE windows, like Documentation, should check their location in 
preopenstack and hop onto the monitor if located outside. To provide 
backwards compatbility, just in case someone relied on this, this 
behavior could be controlled by a preference flag.
I think the IDE uses the technique of positioning its stacks off-screen. 
I know that periodically I discover that my Docs window isn't opening 
properly (it appears to not open at all), and if I do "put the loc of 
stack "revdocs"" it has become positioned at some 'significant' value 
(maybe -32767, -32767 ??? - not sure now).  In any case, I can fix it by 
"set the loc of stack "revdocs" to the screenloc" to get it back; I'm 
fairly sure I tracked that down at one point to the IDE deliberately 
setting  off-screen coords - but decided I wasn't going to benefit from 
tracking it any further, and just got use to typing the reposition 
command when I need it.

I could be misremembering - it's been a few months; or I could have been 
misinterpreting what I saw back then. And even if I wasn't - maybe there 
should be a check as you suggest to overcome the "disappearing docs 
window" problem as well :-)

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Re: Rev 2.5 on WinXP: Issues with multiple monitors

[Robert Brenstein]

Silver, Jason wrote:
[ ... window off screen ...]
I'm sure there's a workaround (e.g. typing some "move" command into the
Message Box), but I was hoping that this issue could be looked at, and
possibly changed in forthcoming releases of the software.
msg box, and type
  set the loc of stack "revdocs" to the screenloc
(or ... to "500,500" whichever you find easier to type).
I suspect it won't be changed, because it's common to create and 
manipulate "invisible" windows by positioning them off-screen, and 
it would be hard to figure the difference between that technique and 
the case where the user has switched from dual monitor to single 
monitor.

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Alex.
Actually, IDE should distinguish between its own windows (stacks) and 
user windows (stacks). User windows should be left alone, of course, 
but IDE windows, like Documentation, should check their location in 
preopenstack and hop onto the monitor if located outside. To provide 
backwards compatbility, just in case someone relied on this, this 
behavior could be controlled by a preference flag.

Robert
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Re: Rev 2.5 on WinXP: Issues with multiple monitors

[Éric Chatonet]

Le 5 févr. 05, à 15:00, Alex Tweedly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
Perhaps a right-click menu item in the app browser could be used to
move a window to the primary screen.  (Or when Revolution figure out
multiple monitors, to the closest one.)
That would be a good idea - though in this case, the problem was the
Documentation window, so it wouldn't be available in the app browser.
When View>Revolution UI Elements in Lists menu item stays 
uncheckmarked, all stacks whose names begin by "rev" are not shown.
So, checkmark this menu item and search for the stack named "revdocs" 
in the app browser list.
With rev IDE stacks, most of labels and names are different :-)
Hope this helps.

With best regards,
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Re: Rev 2.5 on WinXP: Issues with multiple monitors

[Alex Tweedly]

Dar Scott wrote:
On Feb 4, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
I suspect it won't be changed, because it's common to create and 
manipulate "invisible" windows by positioning them off-screen, and it 
would be hard to figure the difference between that technique and the 
case where the user has switched from dual monitor to single monitor.

Perhaps a right-click menu item in the app browser could be used to 
move a window to the primary screen.  (Or when Revolution figure out 
multiple monitors, to the closest one.)
That would be a good idea - though in this case, the problem was the 
Documentation window, so it wouldn't be available in the app browser.

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Re: Rev 2.5 on WinXP: Issues with multiple monitors

[Dar Scott]

On Feb 4, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
I suspect it won't be changed, because it's common to create and 
manipulate "invisible" windows by positioning them off-screen, and it 
would be hard to figure the difference between that technique and the 
case where the user has switched from dual monitor to single monitor.
Perhaps a right-click menu item in the app browser could be used to 
move a window to the primary screen.  (Or when Revolution figure out 
multiple monitors, to the closest one.)

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Re: Rev 2.5 on WinXP: Issues with multiple monitors

[Alex Tweedly]

Silver, Jason wrote:
[ ... window off screen ...]
I'm sure there's a workaround (e.g. typing some "move" command into the
Message Box), but I was hoping that this issue could be looked at, and
possibly changed in forthcoming releases of the software.
 

msg box, and type
  set the loc of stack "revdocs" to the screenloc
(or ... to "500,500" whichever you find easier to type).
I suspect it won't be changed, because it's common to create and 
manipulate "invisible" windows by positioning them off-screen, and it 
would be hard to figure the difference between that technique and the 
case where the user has switched from dual monitor to single monitor.

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Rev 2.5 on WinXP: Issues with multiple monitors

[Silver, Jason]

I'm not sure this is classified as a "bug", but I've noticed an issue in
Revolution that irks me.  The computer provided to me by my company is a
laptop; while in the office, I have it connected to a docking station
which connects to an external monitor.  This lets me use the big 21" CRT
as my primary display, and the laptop screen as a secondary display.
For Revolution, I usually situate things so that the Documentation
window is open on the second screen, and possibly the Application
Browser, Inspector, etc.

The problem arises when I'm working without that second screen.  In this
case, the laptop screen becomes the primary (and only) display.  Most
applications are multi-monitor friendly, and they realize that the
laptop is the only screen, so they better display things on it.
Revolution does not have this capability.  I'll click on the
"Documentation" button, and it seems like nothing is happening.  Well,
the Documentation window is up, but it's 1500 or so pixels to the right,
on a screen that's not there.  I haven't figured out a way to get it
back to the main display without hooking the laptop up to the second
monitor, moving the window, etc.

I'm sure there's a workaround (e.g. typing some "move" command into the
Message Box), but I was hoping that this issue could be looked at, and
possibly changed in forthcoming releases of the software.

Jason Silver
Human Factors Engineer, Sr.
QUALCOMM Inc.
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Re: [ANN] FixDocs - Remove annoying dialog box in Rev 2.5 docs

[Alex Tweedly]

Bob Hartley wrote:
At 19:39 24/01/2005, you wrote:
Fix docs is now on revonline under utilities or nijinsky's user space.
Put there on behalf of Ken.
Thanks Bob. But especially, thanks Ken.
This is really cool !  In fact, I was inspired by this to modify the 
stack to fix my own favourite annoyance in the docs.

I find it intensely irritating that when you try to filter the 
dictionary on, say, "word" you get not only the 5 or 6 matches that you 
wanted, but you also get another 400 or so matches like
# keyword
$ keyword
.
abbr keyword
etc.

But being naturally cautions, and MUCH less experienced than Ken, I'd 
rather not release it immediately, without some brave souls downloading 
it and either testing it and/or looking it over.

Brave souls (only) can find it atwww.tweedly.net/RunRev/FixDocs2.rev
or very   in msg box, type
go stack url "http://www.tweedly.net/RunRev/FixDocs2.rev";
Note - even after this change ("fix") you can still find, for instance, 
all the keywords by using a filter string which starts with the space 
character, as in  " keyword")  (i.e. "(space)keyword")

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Re: [ANN] FixDocs - Remove annoying dialog box in Rev 2.5 docs

[Bob Hartley]

At 19:39 24/01/2005, you wrote:
Fix docs is now on revonline under utilities or nijinsky's user space.
Put there on behalf of Ken.
Cheers
Bob
Until RunRev delivers a fully revised set of docs that includes this, I've
created a "patch" stack that will change your current version of the Rev
Docs so that it will no longer attempt to search or filter after typing, but
*only* after you hit . This eliminates the annoying "No match"
dialog box that many of you have experienced.
I've uploaded it to RevOnline, but for some reason I can't run it from
there, so here's how to use it:
1) Launch Rev
2) Open the docs
3) Open the message box and type:
go stack url "http://www.sonsothunder.com/FixDocs.rev";
4) Click the "Fix Docs" button
5) Enjoy the docs!
I'd mentioned that I'd do this at the LA RUG meeting on Friday of last week,
so here you go...
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: [ANN] FixDocs - Remove annoying dialog box in Rev 2.5 docs

[Chipp Walters]

Good job Ken. I was dreading using that stupid field each time I open 
the docs. Monte should've released this!

-Chipp
J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 1/24/05 1:39 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
Until RunRev delivers a fully revised set of docs that includes this, 
I've
created a "patch" stack that will change your current version of the Rev
Docs so that it will no longer attempt to search or filter after 
typing, but
*only* after you hit . This eliminates the annoying "No match"
dialog box that many of you have experienced.

Bravo, Ken. :)
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Re: [ANN] FixDocs - Remove annoying dialog box in Rev 2.5 docs

[J. Landman Gay]

On 1/24/05 1:39 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
Until RunRev delivers a fully revised set of docs that includes this, I've
created a "patch" stack that will change your current version of the Rev
Docs so that it will no longer attempt to search or filter after typing, but
*only* after you hit . This eliminates the annoying "No match"
dialog box that many of you have experienced.
Bravo, Ken. :)
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Re: [ANN] FixDocs - Remove annoying dialog box in Rev 2.5 docs

[Stephen Barncard]

Thanks, Ken -- you rock.
The search thing was driving me nuts!.
sqb

Until RunRev delivers a fully revised set of docs that includes this, I've
created a "patch" stack that will change your current version of the Rev
Docs so that it will no longer attempt to search or filter after typing, but
*only* after you hit . This eliminates the annoying "No match"
dialog box that many of you have experienced.
I've uploaded it to RevOnline, but for some reason I can't run it from
there, so here's how to use it:
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[ANN] FixDocs - Remove annoying dialog box in Rev 2.5 docs

[Ken Ray]

Until RunRev delivers a fully revised set of docs that includes this, I've
created a "patch" stack that will change your current version of the Rev
Docs so that it will no longer attempt to search or filter after typing, but
*only* after you hit . This eliminates the annoying "No match"
dialog box that many of you have experienced.

I've uploaded it to RevOnline, but for some reason I can't run it from
there, so here's how to use it:

1) Launch Rev
2) Open the docs
3) Open the message box and type:

go stack url "http://www.sonsothunder.com/FixDocs.rev";

4) Click the "Fix Docs" button
5) Enjoy the docs!

I'd mentioned that I'd do this at the LA RUG meeting on Friday of last week,
so here you go...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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RE: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

[Chris Sheffield]

Yikes!  I didn't realize the behavior had changed.  Apparently the docs
missed that change. ;-)  At least I know now so I should be able to fix it
easily enough.  Thanks everyone who chimed in on this one. :-)

Chris Sheffield
Software Development
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Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:06 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

At 6:27 PM -0700 12/14/2004, Dar Scott wrote:
>On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>To copy an app bundle, you need to use revCopyFile - even though it 
>>is really a folder :-)
>
>The doc entry for revCopyFile says the opposite.  Is the doc wrong?


I think this behavior changed a version or two ago, so yes, it likely 
is incorrect...
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Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

[Frank Leahy]

Chris,
You might look at the code of revCopyFolder and see if it's doing 
something different in 2.2 vs 2.5.  You can find the code by selecting 
"View: Rev UI Elements In Lists" from the menu bar, then opening the 
Application Browser and looking for the revLibrary stack, selecting 
"card id 1002", then looking at the script for button "revCommon".  In 
that script you'll find the code for revCopyFolder.  In 2.2 mine shows

get shell ("cp -rf" && quote&pSrcFolder"e && 
quote&pDestFolder"e)

for OS X, with other values for System 9 and Windows.
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Subject: Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5
To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
Does anyone know if revCopyFolder is broken in Rev 2.5 build 2?  I'm
having
problems with it.  Calling "the result" right after it returns
"execution
error".  If I revert back to Rev 2.2 it works fine.  Anyone else had
problems with this?
Thanks,
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Software Development
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Works fine here, but I have done the updates. OS X 10.3.6
Cheers,
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Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 6:27 PM -0700 12/14/2004, Dar Scott wrote:
On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
To copy an app bundle, you need to use revCopyFile - even though it 
is really a folder :-)
The doc entry for revCopyFile says the opposite.  Is the doc wrong?

I think this behavior changed a version or two ago, so yes, it likely 
is incorrect...
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Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

[Sarah Reichelt]

I didn't read the docs, I just tested it :-)
If you use "answer folder" or it's AppleScript equivalent, you can't 
select an app bundle. Only "answer file" allows you to select an app 
bundle, so I assumed that Rev would treat it like a file and copy it 
using revCopyFile. On testing, this did indeed work and the copied app 
had all it's bundle contents with it.

Cheers,
Sarah
On 15 Dec 2004, at 11:30 am, Dar Scott wrote:
On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
To copy an app bundle, you need to use revCopyFile - even though it 
is really a folder :-)
The doc entry for revCopyFile says the opposite.  Is the doc wrong?
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Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

[Sarah Reichelt]

Hi Chris,
To copy an app bundle, you need to use revCopyFile - even though it is 
really a folder :-)

Sarah
On 15 Dec 2004, at 8:53 am, Chris Sheffield wrote:
Thanks, Sarah.  Did you try it on an app bundle by chance?  That's 
what I'm
trying to copy.  Should have specified that in the first place.  Sorry.

Chris Sheffield
Software Development
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Reichelt
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:31 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

Does anyone know if revCopyFolder is broken in Rev 2.5 build 2?  I'm
having
problems with it.  Calling "the result" right after it returns
"execution
error".  If I revert back to Rev 2.2 it works fine.  Anyone else had
problems with this?
Thanks,
Chris Sheffield
Software Development
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Works fine here, but I have done the updates. OS X 10.3.6
Cheers,
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Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

[Dar Scott]

On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
To copy an app bundle, you need to use revCopyFile - even though it is 
really a folder :-)
The doc entry for revCopyFile says the opposite.  Is the doc wrong?
Dar Scott

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Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

[Sarah Reichelt]

Does anyone know if revCopyFolder is broken in Rev 2.5 build 2?  I'm 
having
problems with it.  Calling "the result" right after it returns 
"execution
error".  If I revert back to Rev 2.2 it works fine.  Anyone else had
problems with this?

Thanks,
Chris Sheffield
Software Development
Read Naturally
Works fine here, but I have done the updates. OS X 10.3.6
Cheers,
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RE: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

[Chris Sheffield]

Thanks, Sarah.  Did you try it on an app bundle by chance?  That's what I'm
trying to copy.  Should have specified that in the first place.  Sorry.

Chris Sheffield
Software Development
Read Naturally


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Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:31 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

> Does anyone know if revCopyFolder is broken in Rev 2.5 build 2?  I'm 
> having
> problems with it.  Calling "the result" right after it returns 
> "execution
> error".  If I revert back to Rev 2.2 it works fine.  Anyone else had
> problems with this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Sheffield
> Software Development
> Read Naturally
>
Works fine here, but I have done the updates. OS X 10.3.6

Cheers,
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revCopyFolder problems in Rev 2.5

[Chris Sheffield]

Does anyone know if revCopyFolder is broken in Rev 2.5 build 2?  I'm having
problems with it.  Calling "the result" right after it returns "execution
error".  If I revert back to Rev 2.2 it works fine.  Anyone else had
problems with this?

Thanks,

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Re: Metal .gif available [was Rev 2.5 Redraw Problems]

[Klaus Major]

Hi Chipp,
Still there:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Tutorials.htm
Oooops, sorry for not searching hard enough :-)
-Chipp
Klaus Major wrote:

there is was, apparently :-( this little stack on Chipp's website 
called "MacMetalLook"
which works without crashing OS X here (10.3.6) and it is using a 
stretched PNG image...?
And that looks almost like the real thing :-)
Best
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Re: Metal .gif available [was Rev 2.5 Redraw Problems]

[Chipp Walters]

Still there:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Tutorials.htm
-Chipp
Klaus Major wrote:

there is was, apparently :-( this little stack on Chipp's website called 
"MacMetalLook"
which works without crashing OS X here (10.3.6) and it is using a 
stretched PNG image...?

And that looks almost like the real thing :-)
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Re: Metal .gif available [was Rev 2.5 Redraw Problems]

[Klaus Major]

Hi all,
Recently, Frank Leahy wrote:
Having read about the various problems with metal windows in 2.2 and
2.5 I decided to see if I couldn't fake it with a metal
backgroundPattern.  I tweaked a pattern I found on the web, and it
looks pretty good, with no obvious lines between the tiles.  If anyone
wants to use it let me know and I'll post it.  Using it is as easy as
typing "set the backgroundPattern of this stack to theId" (where theId
is the id of the pattern after you've imported it into your stack).
-- Frank
p.s. It isn't perfect, because there really needs to be a
semi-transparent image that gets stretched over the top of the gif
(providing a bit of shadowing), but I found that stretching the png
image caused RunRev to crash my machine (that's right, it actually
crashed OSX!) so I gave up having it look perfect...but it's pretty
close as is, so I'm happy.
You might try using a large image that doesn't stretch but rather 
changes
position relative to the width of the stack.  Not identical to real
stretching but maybe a bit closer to the metal look...
there is was, apparently :-( this little stack on Chipp's website 
called "MacMetalLook"
which works without crashing OS X here (10.3.6) and it is using a 
stretched PNG image...?

And that looks almost like the real thing :-)
Regards,
Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Development & Design
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Re: Metal .gif available [was Rev 2.5 Redraw Problems]

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Frank Leahy wrote:

> Having read about the various problems with metal windows in 2.2 and
> 2.5 I decided to see if I couldn't fake it with a metal
> backgroundPattern.  I tweaked a pattern I found on the web, and it
> looks pretty good, with no obvious lines between the tiles.  If anyone
> wants to use it let me know and I'll post it.  Using it is as easy as
> typing "set the backgroundPattern of this stack to theId" (where theId
> is the id of the pattern after you've imported it into your stack).
> 
> -- Frank
> 
> p.s. It isn't perfect, because there really needs to be a
> semi-transparent image that gets stretched over the top of the gif
> (providing a bit of shadowing), but I found that stretching the png
> image caused RunRev to crash my machine (that's right, it actually
> crashed OSX!) so I gave up having it look perfect...but it's pretty
> close as is, so I'm happy.

You might try using a large image that doesn't stretch but rather changes
position relative to the width of the stack.  Not identical to real
stretching but maybe a bit closer to the metal look...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
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RE: Metal .gif available [was Rev 2.5 Redraw Problems]

[MisterX]

Cool idea to overlap the shadow! 
Sorry to hear about the crash...

Got one crash story incoming for you! ;)


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Frank Leahy
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 09:45
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Metal .gif available [was Rev 2.5 Redraw Problems]
> 
> Having read about the various problems with metal windows in 2.2 and
> 2.5 I decided to see if I couldn't fake it with a metal 
> backgroundPattern.  I tweaked a pattern I found on the web, 
> and it looks pretty good, with no obvious lines between the 
> tiles.  If anyone wants to use it let me know and I'll post 
> it.  Using it is as easy as typing "set the backgroundPattern 
> of this stack to theId" (where theId is the id of the pattern 
> after you've imported it into your stack).
> 
> -- Frank
> 
> p.s. It isn't perfect, because there really needs to be a 
> semi-transparent image that gets stretched over the top of 
> the gif (providing a bit of shadowing), but I found that 
> stretching the png image caused RunRev to crash my machine 
> (that's right, it actually crashed OSX!) so I gave up having 
> it look perfect...but it's pretty close as is, so I'm happy.
> 
> 
> Web Photos Pro: Software for Photo Bloggers and Other Photo 
> Power Users See us on the web at http://www.webphotospro.com/
> 
> On Nov 18, 2004, at 6:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Gregory Lypny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Rev 2.5 Redraw Problems
> > To: Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I'm curious to know whether the redraw problems in 2.5 have been 
> > resolved in some sort of update.  In my version, working in 
> OS X, all 
> > controls disappear (it's scary) from metal-look windows 
> when I switch 
> > from one of the pointer tools in the Object Inspector to the stack 
> > itself.  This happens quite often.  The controls reappear 
> with random 
> > clicking or resizing the stack window using the resize grip.
> >
> > Greg
> >
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Metal .gif available [was Rev 2.5 Redraw Problems]

[Frank Leahy]

Having read about the various problems with metal windows in 2.2 and 
2.5 I decided to see if I couldn't fake it with a metal 
backgroundPattern.  I tweaked a pattern I found on the web, and it 
looks pretty good, with no obvious lines between the tiles.  If anyone 
wants to use it let me know and I'll post it.  Using it is as easy as 
typing "set the backgroundPattern of this stack to theId" (where theId 
is the id of the pattern after you've imported it into your stack).

-- Frank
p.s. It isn't perfect, because there really needs to be a 
semi-transparent image that gets stretched over the top of the gif 
(providing a bit of shadowing), but I found that stretching the png 
image caused RunRev to crash my machine (that's right, it actually 
crashed OSX!) so I gave up having it look perfect...but it's pretty 
close as is, so I'm happy.

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On Nov 18, 2004, at 6:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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From: Gregory Lypny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rev 2.5 Redraw Problems
To: Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hello everyone,
I'm curious to know whether the redraw problems in 2.5 have been
resolved in some sort of update.  In my version, working in OS X, all
controls disappear (it's scary) from metal-look windows when I switch
from one of the pointer tools in the Object Inspector to the stack
itself.  This happens quite often.  The controls reappear with random
clicking or resizing the stack window using the resize grip.
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Re: Rev 2.5 Redraw Problems

[Kaveh Bazargan]

At 4:55 pm -0500 17/11/04, Gregory Lypny wrote:

[...]

>resolved in some sort of update.  In my version, working in OS X, all
>controls disappear (it's scary) from metal-look windows when I switch
>from one of the pointer tools in the Object Inspector to the stack
>itself.  This happens quite often.  The controls reappear with random
>clicking or resizing the stack window using the resize grip.

Same thing happening here all the time. Don't know if it is only metallic
window, which is the only type I am using. OS X 10.3.6, RR 2.5.
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Rev 2.5 Redraw Problems

[Gregory Lypny]

Hello everyone,
I'm curious to know whether the redraw problems in 2.5 have been 
resolved in some sort of update.  In my version, working in OS X, all 
controls disappear (it's scary) from metal-look windows when I switch 
from one of the pointer tools in the Object Inspector to the stack 
itself.  This happens quite often.  The controls reappear with random 
clicking or resizing the stack window using the resize grip.

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Re: about Rev 2.5 freezing on no net connection...

[Alex Tweedly]

At 15:17 08/10/2004 -0300, Andre Garzia wrote:
Hi Folks,
I checked here that if I switch down my cable modem, or better, if my 
cable modem receives no valid ip, thus making MacOS X self-give an unreal 
IP to itself,  then starting rev 2.5 will stop launching, not stop in the 
sense of crash, but in the sense of freeze just when the revOnline window 
is opening. This happened three times today, my ISP is playing 
guess-when-i-am-up with my connection, and sometimes, rev will not launch 
at all, but as soon as net is back up, rev resumes the launching process. 
Can revOnline be blocking?
Yes, see Bugzilla 2117
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Re: about Rev 2.5 freezing on no net connection...

[Andre Garzia]

On Oct 8, 2004, at 4:36 PM, Derek Bump wrote:
Turn off revOnline in your preferences and then open it after your 
Internet connection is up.


Derek,
Thanks, I did that, I justed want to shout that revOnline shouldn't 
block (if this is indeed what happened).

Cheers
andre

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Re: about Rev 2.5 freezing on no net connection...

[Derek Bump]

> launching process. Can revOnline be blocking?

Turn off revOnline in your preferences and then open it after your Internet connection 
is up.
 

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From: "Andre Garzia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:17 PM
Subject: about Rev 2.5 freezing on no net connection...


> Hi Folks,
> 
> I checked here that if I switch down my cable modem, or better, if my 
> cable modem receives no valid ip, thus making MacOS X self-give an 
> unreal IP to itself,  then starting rev 2.5 will stop launching, not 
> stop in the sense of crash, but in the sense of freeze just when the 
> revOnline window is opening. This happened three times today, my ISP is 
> playing guess-when-i-am-up with my connection, and sometimes, rev will 
> not launch at all, but as soon as net is back up, rev resumes the 

> 
> cheers
> andre
> 
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about Rev 2.5 freezing on no net connection...

[Andre Garzia]

Hi Folks,
I checked here that if I switch down my cable modem, or better, if my 
cable modem receives no valid ip, thus making MacOS X self-give an 
unreal IP to itself,  then starting rev 2.5 will stop launching, not 
stop in the sense of crash, but in the sense of freeze just when the 
revOnline window is opening. This happened three times today, my ISP is 
playing guess-when-i-am-up with my connection, and sometimes, rev will 
not launch at all, but as soon as net is back up, rev resumes the 
launching process. Can revOnline be blocking?

cheers
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Re: Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd

[Frank Leahy]

On Sep 25, 2004, at 12:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

From: Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd
loading menus and plugins, and then hangs. Until today, I didn't find
anything short of a reinstall that helped. I think I discovered today
that replacing the revpreferences.rev stack in the components/save
folder solves the problem. But then you have to resupply your serial
number and reset all your preferences.
This happens for me more than once or twice a month and I just can't
find a pattern. I can work in Rev for hours, close it, go to lunch,
come back, launch it and have it fail. No warning, nothing.
Am I the only one experiencing this?
Dan,
Two things:
1) Why not make a copy of the whole Rev app folder when things are 
working (or at least the revPreferences stack), and when things fail, 
just make a copy of that copy?  Shouldn't take but 20 seconds or so to 
copy the copy and have a running Rev app -- no reinstall needed.

2) I shouldn't say this out loud, because I'll probably jinx myself, 
but the only time I've had Rev crash on me at startup is when I did a 
"start using" on a stack that had an "on openStack" handler in it.  It 
got into some weird infinite loop that caused it to hang.  My rule now 
is that any stack that I call "start using" on must be a pure library 
stack -- i.e. it never handles any system messages such as "on 
startup", "on openstack", etc.

Don't know if this is what's happening with you, but you might look at 
the stacks you're calling "start using" on, and see if any respond to 
system messages.

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Re: Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd

[Bruce Lewis]

The same thing happens to me once or twice a day.

At first I thought it was a plugin stack I created to open at startup, but
most of the time removing that stack did not make any difference. I too
have been keeping a copy of the disk image along with my registration
number and simply reinstall frequently.

I will try the revpreferences technique next time this happens.

Macintosh OS 10.3.4

Strangely, this has not happened on my powerbook where I have (I think) an
identical Revolution installation. Differences are that the desktop machine
is a dual G5 and the PowerBook is a G4 and, perhaps the PowerBook has an
earlier version of OS X.

It may happen sometimes after I have another strange problem. A stack with
destroyStack set to true is closed. Some time later it is reopened by a
script. A dialogue comes up saying a stack with the same name is open and
asking me if I want to purge, etc. No matter what btn I press it goes into
a continuous cycle. Sometimes the cycle stops with cmd-. I quit and when I
reopen Revolution I believe it hangs. However, that clearly is not the only
time it hangs on starting.

When it hangs I don't have to force quit, since it quits on cmd-q.

Bruce



At 3:22 PM -0700 9/24/04, Dan Shafer wrote:
>I've about had it with this bug, which I was sure I'd reported and BZed
>before, but apparently not.
>
>If you can confirm that this bug arises, please go add to my
>description.
>
>Essentially, trying to launch Rev (this has been true for 2.2 and is
>still true in 2.5 though less frequent), the splash screen comes up,
>gets to the point where it says in the lower right corner that it's
>loading menus and plugins, and then hangs. Until today, I didn't find
>anything short of a reinstall that helped. I think I discovered today
>that replacing the revpreferences.rev stack in the components/save
>folder solves the problem. But then you have to resupply your serial
>number and reset all your preferences.
>
>This happens for me more than once or twice a month and I just can't
>find a pattern. I can work in Rev for hours, close it, go to lunch,
>come back, launch it and have it fail. No warning, nothing.
>
>Am I the only one experiencing this?
>

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Re: Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd

[Mark Talluto]

On Sep 24, 2004, at 5:09 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
Mark.
Don't know if you'll find this as well, but the advice in another 
thread here was to take the revpreferences.rev stack in your 
components->save folder, stuff it and put it somewhere handy. Then if 
this happens again, just unstuff the prefs stack and replace the one 
in your current folder and restart. That worked for me last time. 
Maybe it won't always but it's a lot faster and more convenient than 
reinstalling everything.

Dan (who is glad not to be the only one who experiences this; maybe 
it'll get fixed)
Dan,
Thanks for that.  I have just compressed a backup.  Now lets get this 
one fixed indeed.

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Re: Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd

[Trevor DeVore]

On Sep 24, 2004, at 4:43 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
Well, I think you cursed me Dan - I just had this happen under 2.5 
;-)  Rev locked up when quitting and I had to force quit.  After that 
it locked up at the loading menus, plugins part of the launch.  I am 
downloading a new version so I can get a new preferences stack now...
It happened to me twice this week.  This is the first time ever for 
me.  I now keep a copy of the .dmg file on hand just in case.
I replaced the revprefernences file like Dan suggested and that fixed 
the problem for me.  Perhaps it is just a matter of making a backup 
file in your Rev folder that you can use to replace it with when that 
happens.

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Re: Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd

[Dan Shafer]

Mark.
Don't know if you'll find this as well, but the advice in another 
thread here was to take the revpreferences.rev stack in your 
components->save folder, stuff it and put it somewhere handy. Then if 
this happens again, just unstuff the prefs stack and replace the one in 
your current folder and restart. That worked for me last time. Maybe it 
won't always but it's a lot faster and more convenient than 
reinstalling everything.

Dan (who is glad not to be the only one who experiences this; maybe 
it'll get fixed)

On Sep 24, 2004, at 4:43 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
On Sep 24, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
On Sep 24, 2004, at 3:38 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
Trevor
I'm glad to hear that. I had it this afternoon for the second time 
this week on 2.5.
Well, I think you cursed me Dan - I just had this happen under 2.5 
;-)  Rev locked up when quitting and I had to force quit.  After that 
it locked up at the loading menus, plugins part of the launch.  I am 
downloading a new version so I can get a new preferences stack now...
It happened to me twice this week.  This is the first time ever for 
me.  I now keep a copy of the .dmg file on hand just in case.

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Re: Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd

[Mark Talluto]

On Sep 24, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
On Sep 24, 2004, at 3:38 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
Trevor
I'm glad to hear that. I had it this afternoon for the second time 
this week on 2.5.
Well, I think you cursed me Dan - I just had this happen under 2.5 ;-) 
 Rev locked up when quitting and I had to force quit.  After that it 
locked up at the loading menus, plugins part of the launch.  I am 
downloading a new version so I can get a new preferences stack now...
It happened to me twice this week.  This is the first time ever for me. 
 I now keep a copy of the .dmg file on hand just in case.

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Re: Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd

[Trevor DeVore]

On Sep 24, 2004, at 3:38 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
Trevor
I'm glad to hear that. I had it this afternoon for the second time 
this week on 2.5.
Well, I think you cursed me Dan - I just had this happen under 2.5 ;-)  
Rev locked up when quitting and I had to force quit.  After that it 
locked up at the loading menus, plugins part of the launch.  I am 
downloading a new version so I can get a new preferences stack now...

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Re: Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd

[Dan Shafer]

Trevor
I'm glad to hear that. I had it this afternoon for the second time this 
week on 2.5.

Dan
On Sep 24, 2004, at 3:27 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
On Sep 24, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
I've about had it with this bug, which I was sure I'd reported and 
BZed before, but apparently not.

If you can confirm that this bug arises, please go add to my 
description.

Essentially, trying to launch Rev (this has been true for 2.2 and is 
still true in 2.5 though less frequent), the splash screen comes up, 
gets to the point where it says in the lower right corner that it's 
loading menus and plugins, and then hangs. Until today, I didn't find 
anything short of a reinstall that helped. I think I discovered today 
that replacing the revpreferences.rev stack in the components/save 
folder solves the problem. But then you have to resupply your serial 
number and reset all your preferences.

This happens for me more than once or twice a month and I just can't 
find a pattern. I can work in Rev for hours, close it, go to lunch, 
come back, launch it and have it fail. No warning, nothing.

Am I the only one experiencing this?
I have experienced this prior to 2.5 on rare occasions but I haven't 
seen it in 2.5 yet.

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Re: Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd

[Dan Shafer]

Trevor
I'm glad to hear that. I had it this afternoon for the second time this 
week on 2.5.

Dan
On Sep 24, 2004, at 3:27 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
On Sep 24, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
I've about had it with this bug, which I was sure I'd reported and 
BZed before, but apparently not.

If you can confirm that this bug arises, please go add to my 
description.

Essentially, trying to launch Rev (this has been true for 2.2 and is 
still true in 2.5 though less frequent), the splash screen comes up, 
gets to the point where it says in the lower right corner that it's 
loading menus and plugins, and then hangs. Until today, I didn't find 
anything short of a reinstall that helped. I think I discovered today 
that replacing the revpreferences.rev stack in the components/save 
folder solves the problem. But then you have to resupply your serial 
number and reset all your preferences.

This happens for me more than once or twice a month and I just can't 
find a pattern. I can work in Rev for hours, close it, go to lunch, 
come back, launch it and have it fail. No warning, nothing.

Am I the only one experiencing this?
I have experienced this prior to 2.5 on rare occasions but I haven't 
seen it in 2.5 yet.

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Re: Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd

[Trevor DeVore]

On Sep 24, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
I've about had it with this bug, which I was sure I'd reported and 
BZed before, but apparently not.

If you can confirm that this bug arises, please go add to my 
description.

Essentially, trying to launch Rev (this has been true for 2.2 and is 
still true in 2.5 though less frequent), the splash screen comes up, 
gets to the point where it says in the lower right corner that it's 
loading menus and plugins, and then hangs. Until today, I didn't find 
anything short of a reinstall that helped. I think I discovered today 
that replacing the revpreferences.rev stack in the components/save 
folder solves the problem. But then you have to resupply your serial 
number and reset all your preferences.

This happens for me more than once or twice a month and I just can't 
find a pattern. I can work in Rev for hours, close it, go to lunch, 
come back, launch it and have it fail. No warning, nothing.

Am I the only one experiencing this?
I have experienced this prior to 2.5 on rare occasions but I haven't 
seen it in 2.5 yet.

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Rev 2.5 Hang at Launch on OS X Bugzilla'd

[Dan Shafer]

I've about had it with this bug, which I was sure I'd reported and BZed 
before, but apparently not.

If you can confirm that this bug arises, please go add to my 
description.

Essentially, trying to launch Rev (this has been true for 2.2 and is 
still true in 2.5 though less frequent), the splash screen comes up, 
gets to the point where it says in the lower right corner that it's 
loading menus and plugins, and then hangs. Until today, I didn't find 
anything short of a reinstall that helped. I think I discovered today 
that replacing the revpreferences.rev stack in the components/save 
folder solves the problem. But then you have to resupply your serial 
number and reset all your preferences.

This happens for me more than once or twice a month and I just can't 
find a pattern. I can work in Rev for hours, close it, go to lunch, 
come back, launch it and have it fail. No warning, nothing.

Am I the only one experiencing this?
~~
Dan Shafer, Revolutionary
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Re: Date in Rev 2.5

[Ludovic Thébault]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:02:40 +0200, Yves COPPE wrote:
> Hi klaus,
> 
> I think I've found a serious subject of discussion...

I've the same bug.

Perhaps this bug is related to an other :
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-March/034662.html


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Re: Date in Rev 2.5

[Yves COPPE]

Le 21 sept. 04, à 18:42, Klaus Major a écrit :
Hi all,
...
put "1999,1,9,0,0,0,0" into tDate
convert tDate to short system  date
answer tDate
gives "09/01/1999" in Rev 2.5
on windows
But "08/01/1999" on the mac!
Any comments from *nix users?
And it's getting better every time :-D
on mouseUp
  put "1999,1,8,24,0,0,0" into tDate
  convert tDate to short system  date
  answer tDate
end mouseUp
Gives:
"08/01/99" on a Mac OS X 10.3.5 and
"09/01/99" on windows XP Home...
Molto misterioso!
Bug or feature?
I guess the first after this little experiment ;-)
Hi klaus,
I think I've found a serious subject of discussion...

Greetings.
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Re: Date in Rev 2.5

[Klaus Major]

Hi all,
...
put "1999,1,9,0,0,0,0" into tDate
convert tDate to short system  date
answer tDate
gives "09/01/1999" in Rev 2.5
on windows
But "08/01/1999" on the mac!
Any comments from *nix users?
And it's getting better every time :-D
on mouseUp
  put "1999,1,8,24,0,0,0" into tDate
  convert tDate to short system  date
  answer tDate
end mouseUp
Gives:
"08/01/99" on a Mac OS X 10.3.5 and
"09/01/99" on windows XP Home...
Molto misterioso!
Bug or feature?
I guess the first after this little experiment ;-)
Regards
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Re: Date in Rev 2.5

[James . Cass]

On MacOSX 10.3.5, in Rev 2.5B1, in the message box and in a button
> put "1999,1,9,0,0,0,0" into tDate
> convert tDate to short system  date
> answer tDate

gives me "01/09/99"

I know I need to update  :-)

-James





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Please respond to How to use Revolution
 
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    Subject:Re: Date in Rev 2.5


Hi all,

> Am 21.09.2004 um 18:21 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> Not with my copy...
>
> put "1999,1,9,0,0,0,0" into tDate
> convert tDate to short system  date
> answer tDate
>
> gives "09/01/1999" in Rev 2.5

on windows

But "08/01/1999" on the mac!

Any comments from *nix users?

> /H

Regards

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Re: Date in Rev 2.5

[Klaus Major]

Hi all,
Am 21.09.2004 um 18:21 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Not with my copy...
put "1999,1,9,0,0,0,0" into tDate
convert tDate to short system  date
answer tDate
gives "09/01/1999" in Rev 2.5
on windows
But "08/01/1999" on the mac!
Any comments from *nix users?
/H
Regards
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Re: Date in Rev 2.5

[FlexibleLearning]

 
 
Not with my copy...
 
put "1999,1,9,0,0,0,0" into tDate
convert tDate to short system  date
answer tDate
 
gives "09/01/1999" in Rev 2.5
 
 
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Re: Date in Rev 2.5

[Frank D. Engel, Jr.]

Perhaps Rev considers midnight to be the last instant of the previous 
day, rather than the first instant of the next day?

On Sep 21, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
Bonjour Yves,
Hi list,
I experiment something strange
mac OS X 10.3.5 : French sytem : short system date is dd/mm/yy
Rev 2.5
on mouseUp
  put "1999,1,9,0,0,0,0" into tDate
  convert tDate to short system date
  answer tDate
end mouseUp
I get : 08/01/99"
with rev 2.2
I get : 09/01/99  : that's correct !!
any idea ???
No sorry, but just one hour later, it works:
on mouseUp
  put "1999,1,9,1,0,0,0" into tDate
  convert tDate to short system date
  answer tDate
end mouseUp
Will give you the correct result: 09/01/99

H, no idea...
Greetings.
Yves COPPE
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Re: Date in Rev 2.5

[Klaus Major]

Bonjour Yves,
Hi list,
I experiment something strange
mac OS X 10.3.5 : French sytem : short system date is dd/mm/yy
Rev 2.5
on mouseUp
  put "1999,1,9,0,0,0,0" into tDate
  convert tDate to short system date
  answer tDate
end mouseUp
I get : 08/01/99"
with rev 2.2
I get : 09/01/99  : that's correct !!
any idea ???
No sorry, but just one hour later, it works:
on mouseUp
  put "1999,1,9,1,0,0,0" into tDate
  convert tDate to short system date
  answer tDate
end mouseUp
Will give you the correct result: 09/01/99

H, no idea...
Greetings.
Yves COPPE
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Date in Rev 2.5

[Yves COPPE]

Hi list,
I experiment something strange :
mac OS X 10.3.5 : French sytem : short system date is dd/mm/yy
Rev 2.5
on mouseUp
  put "1999,1,9,0,0,0,0" into tDate
  convert tDate to short system date
  answer tDate
end mouseUp
I get : 08/01/99"
with rev 2.2
I get : 09/01/99  : that's correct !!
any idea ???
Greetings.
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Re: Rev 2.5 Script printing problems

[Mark MacKenzie]

Thanks Mark.  Went there, read it, added my comments and voted for it.
Mark MacKenzie
Mark Wieder wrote:
Mark-
Bugzilla #1377.
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1377
 

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Re: Rev 2.5 Script printing problems

[Mark Wieder]

Mark-

Bugzilla #1377.
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1377

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Rev 2.5 Script printing problems

[Mark MacKenzie]

I have looked in bugzilla but have not been able to find a report on 
this problem.  However, thay may be a result of my unfamiliarity with 
buzilla.

Using Rev 2.5 (release 1) with the script window open I get garbled text 
lines when I print the script out.

This is on Windows XP and using a networked Xerox Phaser 8400 printer.
If I copy and paste the script text into another program such as 
Microsoft Works and then print there is no problem.  The problem exists 
within Rev only.

It appears as if some of the formatting is not being followed.  For 
example,  "on preopencard" becomes garbled so that the first three 
letters are a composite of  five letters and spaces so that the result 
is "###reopencard".  Tabs do not seem to affect the printing it is just 
the first word after a return or new sentence.

I had a look through the list and didn't see anthing gerund.  Has anyone 
encountered this and more importantly fixed it?

Mark MacKenzie
Past Ink Publishing
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
Canada
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Rev 2.5 trial version for MacOS 9 ?

[jbv]

Hi list,

Does anyone know when the trial version for MacOS 9
will be available ?

Thanks,
JB

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[FUN] Rev 2.5 and MacOS X

[Ludovic Thébault]

Hello,

With Rev/DC 2.5, show the msg box, put it on the top-middle of the 
stack,
Close the stack with the widget btn (to show the alert window for 
saving the stack) and look.

Fun and helpful


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Re: Rev 2.5

[Richard Gaskin]

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Has the underlying engine also been modified, or Rev only? If so, is there  a 
list of what has been modified?
The Whats_New.txt file included in the package summarizes the changes. 
While it doesn't differentiate between engine and UI, as a general rule 
any command or function that begins with "rev" is part of the IDE's 
libraries, and all the rest are in the engine.

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Rev 2.5

[FlexibleLearning]

Has the underlying engine also been modified, or Rev only? If so, is there  a 
list of what has been modified?
 
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Re: Rev 2.5 Beta [Performance/Rev-Online/Dreamcard/...]

[Judy Perry]

I agree:

I also had to pause my mouse over the new tools palette, but I think it
was because I was doing the Rosetta Stone thing in my brain.  The new GUI
does look modern, which has to help it in the credibility market.

Also, am I mistaken, or did the new tools palette do away with my
observed modality problem?  We seemingly no longer have a browse tool and
an edit tool, merely an edit/browse tool and a resize tool?

(Sorry, I was only able to look at the 2.5 for a few before something on
my laptop's m/b overheated... haven't d/l it for the desktop yet).

Judy

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 22/7/04 1:31 pm, "Malte Brill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The new toolbar: It looks more modern. I liked the old one better, but I
> > think I will get used to it.
>
> Yeah, its always tricky when we make a change to the appearance of anything.
> Ultimately though the old toolbar was really dated and we had to update it.
> I don't think we're going to be able to get something that suits everyone,
> stability was a higher priority than providing extra icon sets, and the new
> one does looks clean, modern and functional.

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Re: Rev 2.5 Beta [Performance/Rev-Online/Dreamcard/...]

[Judy Perry]

Ummm, maybe it's because I'm a really crappy scripter, but my "intro to
Rev/mouse events" project I think ended up being 6 MB..

I guess I would have to go back and check to see how much space is due to
my assuming (probably correctly) that the low-end PCs wouldn't do TTS, so
I recorded my Mac doing so with a mic on my iPod and used those sound
files instead...

Judy

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Kevin Miller wrote:

> > 2.) Rev-online. I think this could become a cool place if it gets used. What
> > I really would love to see is how big in KB/MB the stacks are (I just looked
> > at it, so maybe this is somewhere I havent found yet) I created an account a
> > few minutes ago. If you download the Stack from my users section mind it is
> > 2.xx MB.
>
> I can see the point of that.  Rev Online will be used for serving videos to
> people on broadband and stacks are likely to be smaller than that, but I'll
> make a note.  I don't know if it will be in this release or the next one.

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Ctrl-Alt-Click [Was Re: Rev 2.5 Beta - Hits]

[Alex Tweedly]

At 15:35 22/07/2004 -0600, Devin Asay wrote:
On Jul 22, 2004, at 3:07 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
I do see an issue with the ctrl-alt-click in execute mode - it appears to 
open the script editor BUT ALSO trigger a mouse click to the stack - 
which I don't think it should.

Do you see that behaviour too ? Should it do that ?  Should I Bugzilla it ?
Confirmed. It seems it should do one or the other, not both, in execute 
mode. I think my preference is that it should only open the script editor, 
regardless of mode.
Thanks for the confirmation; I agree that's what it should do. Entered as 
Bug 1884

Am I right in thinking that a script like
on mouseUp
  if the controlKey is down and the altkey is down then
pass mouseUp to top
  end if
  pass mouseUp
end mouseUp
could be inserted as a front script without adverse side-effects.
(It seems to work, but I'm very cautions about using front-scripts - 
worried I'll interfere with something important and not realize until too 
late).

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Re: Rev 2.5 Beta - Hits

[Mark Talluto]

On Jul 22, 2004, at 2:07 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
I do see an issue with the ctrl-alt-click in execute mode - it appears 
to open the script editor BUT ALSO trigger a mouse click to the stack 
- which I don't think it should.

Do you see that behaviour too ? Should it do that ?  Should I Bugzilla 
it ?

And I noticed the Shortcut Quickref still says "ctl-alt hover" 
And I notice that the Quickref for shortcuts comes up as editing 
rather than executing if you are in edit mode (the other quickrefs are 
ok).

I can see BZ gaining a permanently open window on my screen  :-)
I have seen that problem as well.  I have been busy reporting 
everything I have seen but did forget that one.  Be my guest on sending 
that one in.  I have revZilla up and running all the time!  I must say 
that things are getting better with every release though.  I am pretty 
excited as most of my bug reports are fixed or are being worked on as 
we speak.

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Re: Rev 2.5 Beta - Hits

[Mark Talluto]

On Jul 22, 2004, at 11:01 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
2. Proportional resizing of image objects! Holding down the Shift key 
now constrains images proportionally instead of forcing it to a 
square.
I have not been able to make this happen.  I have tried this with many 
images and see them resizing as a square.  Would be nice if this 
feature was in there though.  My testing was done on XP and Mac X.

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Re: Rev 2.5 Beta - Hits

[Devin Asay]

On Jul 22, 2004, at 3:07 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
I do see an issue with the ctrl-alt-click in execute mode - it appears 
to open the script editor BUT ALSO trigger a mouse click to the stack 
- which I don't think it should.

Do you see that behaviour too ? Should it do that ?  Should I Bugzilla 
it ?
Confirmed. It seems it should do one or the other, not both, in execute 
mode. I think my preference is that it should only open the script 
editor, regardless of mode.

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University
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Re: Rev 2.5 Beta - Hits

[Alex Tweedly]

At 12:01 22/07/2004 -0600, Devin Asay wrote:
I know we are trying to air out the bugs and frustrations, but may I just 
comment on some of the hits?

Things I love about the new version:
6. Command(control)-alt-click to edit scripts instead of the unnerving 
command-alt-hover.
Yes - I agree 100%.   This is the second most useful change that I've seen; 
second only behind the fact that keyboard shortcuts now work reliably.

I do see an issue with the ctrl-alt-click in execute mode - it appears to 
open the script editor BUT ALSO trigger a mouse click to the stack - which 
I don't think it should.

Do you see that behaviour too ? Should it do that ?  Should I Bugzilla it ?
And I noticed the Shortcut Quickref still says "ctl-alt hover" 
And I notice that the Quickref for shortcuts comes up as editing rather 
than executing if you are in edit mode (the other quickrefs are ok).

I can see BZ gaining a permanently open window on my screen  :-)
-- Alex.

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Rev 2.5 Beta - Hits

[Devin Asay]

I know we are trying to air out the bugs and frustrations, but may I 
just comment on some of the hits?

Things I love about the new version:
1. The improved image library. Finally, a really clean, usable library. 
Although I'd still like to see thumbnails of large imported images 
rather than a chunk out of the middle of the image, at least the 
portion showed is larger now, giving us a better chance of visually 
identifying which image it is. And now with 2-dimensional resizing of 
the library window, the visible portions of large images also grow or 
shrink along with the windows. Great work!

2. Proportional resizing of image objects! Holding down the Shift key 
now constrains images proportionally instead of forcing it to a square.

3. One vote in favor of the new look of the tools palette icons. They 
are much clearer; I can see at a glance what the new control will look 
like. Especially helpful for the various styles of menu buttons and 
scrollbars.

4. The ability to Hide/Reveal graphic objects and paint tools on the 
tool palette. Brilliant, especially bringing the paint tools onto the 
same palette with all the others, where they belonged all along.

5. The redesigned documentation. A few quibbles remain, but in general 
a huge leap forward from its multi-window, screen-gobbling predecessor.

6. Command(control)-alt-click to edit scripts instead of the unnerving 
command-alt-hover.

I'm sure I'll discover more hits (and some bugs) as I continue to test. 
All-in-all an impressive release of our favorite development tool.

Devin
Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University
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Re: Rev 2.5 Beta [Performance/Rev-Online/Dreamcard/...]

[Mark Brownell]

on 7/22/04 5:31 AM, Malte Brill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I think it could be useful if the player would allow Autoplay for CD Roms.
> This could be implemented by looking for a simple text file e.g. toc.txt
> with only one line of text holding the relative path to the stack that
> should be played. This would be a big plus (if it isn´t already possible).
> Also I haven´t found a way to browse the local directory (but I just looked
> at it for a few minutes). Also I would like to know which components is in
> the player:


I solved this issue for myself a long time ago by creating an auto-play
hyperlink that was empty in a page's MTML/HTML.

Whenever my MTML browser encounters a page with an auto-play link it does
what the link commands it to do.

Example:


On the next page the control attribute for stop after play is control="stop"

Mark


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Re: Rev 2.5 Beta [Performance/Rev-Online/Dreamcard/...]

[Kevin Miller]

On 22/7/04 1:31 pm, "Malte Brill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2.) Rev-online. I think this could become a cool place if it gets used. What
> I really would love to see is how big in KB/MB the stacks are (I just looked
> at it, so maybe this is somewhere I havent found yet) I created an account a
> few minutes ago. If you download the Stack from my users section mind it is
> 2.xx MB.

I can see the point of that.  Rev Online will be used for serving videos to
people on broadband and stacks are likely to be smaller than that, but I'll
make a note.  I don't know if it will be in this release or the next one.

> 3.) Dreamcard. Will this have the same IDE or will it look differently? I
> don´t understand the term " smoothed off interface" Does this describe what
> the Interface is going to look in *all* versions?

Essentially yes, though some options aren't available in Dreamcard, those
being noted in the FAQ.

> I also would like to say that I am happy about the Player approach.
> I haven´t looked at it too much by now, so maybe the following is redundant,
> as it might be already implemented:
> 
> I think it could be useful if the player would allow Autoplay for CD Roms.
> This could be implemented by looking for a simple text file e.g. toc.txt
> with only one line of text holding the relative path to the stack that
> should be played. This would be a big plus (if it isn´t already possible).

I think this should work with the current implementation, let us know if you
have any trouble getting it to.

> Also I haven´t found a way to browse the local directory (but I just looked
> at it for a few minutes). Also I would like to know which components is in
> the player:
> 
> imagelibrary/externals/cursors/...?

We'll be shipping the Player as a separate download to test by itself
shortly.  When we do that you can check what is included.

> The new toolbar: It looks more modern. I liked the old one better, but I
> think I will get used to it.

Yeah, its always tricky when we make a change to the appearance of anything.
Ultimately though the old toolbar was really dated and we had to update it.
I don't think we're going to be able to get something that suits everyone,
stability was a higher priority than providing extra icon sets, and the new
one does looks clean, modern and functional.

Thanks for the feedback.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Rev 2.5 Beta [Performance/Rev-Online/Dreamcard/...]

[Malte Brill]

Hi all,

first of all I would like to say thanks for this Beta. I see the Rev-Team
has put lots of effort into it. :-)

1.) Performance. I am glad to see that my ErcSneak stack now runs as fast
under X as it does under 9. It slows down a bit with 2.1/2.2

This is Great!

2.) Rev-online. I think this could become a cool place if it gets used. What
I really would love to see is how big in KB/MB the stacks are (I just looked
at it, so maybe this is somewhere I havent found yet) I created an account a
few minutes ago. If you download the Stack from my users section mind it is
2.xx MB.

3.) Dreamcard. Will this have the same IDE or will it look differently? I
don´t understand the term " smoothed off interface" Does this describe what
the Interface is going to look in *all* versions?

I also would like to say that I am happy about the Player approach.
I haven´t looked at it too much by now, so maybe the following is redundant,
as it might be already implemented:

I think it could be useful if the player would allow Autoplay for CD Roms.
This could be implemented by looking for a simple text file e.g. toc.txt
with only one line of text holding the relative path to the stack that
should be played. This would be a big plus (if it isn´t already possible).
Also I haven´t found a way to browse the local directory (but I just looked
at it for a few minutes). Also I would like to know which components is in
the player:

imagelibrary/externals/cursors/...?

The new toolbar: It looks more modern. I liked the old one better, but I
think I will get used to it.

2 (euro)cents only,

Malte

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Re: Cost to update Rev 2.0 to Rev 2.5

[Kevin Miller]

On 3/2/03 12:56 pm, Mark Brownell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Upgrading costs $299 at the moment. You can find that information on their
>> website at the online store under Professional User License.
> 
> I saw that at the website. So what happens if I wait more than one year
> before upgrading? I'm mostly inquiring about the policy regarding the steps
> one must possibly maintain when it comes to availability of the upgrade
> license. Is it a requirement to maintain the latest upgrade each year in
> order to  qualify for future upgrade releases of Revolution? I'm trying to
> determine the cost of maintaining Revolution over several years and what it
> costs to get new versions under different circumstances. The policy for
> upgrading was not clear to me at the website.

At present we do not have a policy that requires you to keep your license
current and we do not charge a penalty to purchase a years updates more than
a year after the last time.  (We may of course change that policy in the
future, but would as ever be unlikely to apply such a policy change to our
existing users.)

We do however ask everyone to keep their subscription current regardless, if
they are finding that Revolution is a useful tool.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: Cost to update Rev 2.0 to Rev 2.5

[Mark Brownell]

Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:32:57 +0100; Terry Vogelaar Wrote:

>> searched their website for the upgrade policy and could not find information
>> on future upgrades or time limits for free upgrades when you purchase
>> Revolution.

> Upgrading costs $299 at the moment. You can find that information on their
> website at the online store under Professional User License.

I saw that at the website. So what happens if I wait more than one year
before upgrading? I'm mostly inquiring about the policy regarding the steps
one must possibly maintain when it comes to availability of the upgrade
license. Is it a requirement to maintain the latest upgrade each year in
order to  qualify for future upgrade releases of Revolution? I'm trying to
determine the cost of maintaining Revolution over several years and what it
costs to get new versions under different circumstances. The policy for
upgrading was not clear to me at the website.

Thanks,
Mark

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Re: Cost to update Rev 2.0 to Rev 2.5

[Terry Vogelaar]

Mark Brownell heeft op zondag, 2 feb 2003 om 17:12 het volgende 
geschreven:

I was wondering if anyone knew about the cost to upgrade if you have 
the
aprox $999.00 pro licensed version of the current Rev development app. 
I
searched their website for the upgrade policy and could not find 
information
on future upgrades or time limits for free upgrades when you purchase
Revolution.

Upgrading costs $299 at the moment. You can find that information on 
their website at the online store under Professional User License.

Terry

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Re: Cost to update Rev 2.0 to Rev 2.5

[Björnke von Gierke]

You get a YEAR of free upgrade so if you get 2.5 depends on the time it  
comes out, and the time you bought your update.
Anyone who bought a license since November 2001 gets the Update to 2.0.  
This is a special rule, due to the fact that it ships later then  
anounced.
You can buy a renewal license after your Year runs out (the renewal is  
cheaper then the new license).

view also :
http://runrev.com/revolution/info/moreinformation/faq.html

and
http://secure.runrev.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/ 
merchant.mv+Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RROS&Category_Code=sbe

On Sonntag, Feb 2, 2003, at 17:12 Europe/Zurich, Mark Brownell wrote:

Hi,

[in-digest-mode]

I was wondering if anyone knew about the cost to upgrade if you have  
the
aprox $999.00 pro licensed version of the current Rev development app.  
I
searched their website for the upgrade policy and could not find  
information
on future upgrades or time limits for free upgrades when you purchase
Revolution.

To be specific I've been talking with people that are developing  
future XML
capabilities for  Revolution that might get added to Rev 2.5 but not be
available in Rev 2.0. So if I purchase the full priced Rev 2.0, aprox  
$999,
what will be the costs when new versions of Revolution come out for  
those
that have a pro license? Does everyone have to pay the full price each  
time
a new version of Revolution comes out. I know that if you purchase the
current version you will get a free version of Rev 2.0 when it is  
finally
released.

Thanks,
Mark Brownell

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Cost to update Rev 2.0 to Rev 2.5

[Mark Brownell]

Hi,

[in-digest-mode]

I was wondering if anyone knew about the cost to upgrade if you have the
aprox $999.00 pro licensed version of the current Rev development app. I
searched their website for the upgrade policy and could not find information
on future upgrades or time limits for free upgrades when you purchase
Revolution.

To be specific I've been talking with people that are developing future XML
capabilities for  Revolution that might get added to Rev 2.5 but not be
available in Rev 2.0. So if I purchase the full priced Rev 2.0, aprox $999,
what will be the costs when new versions of Revolution come out for those
that have a pro license? Does everyone have to pay the full price each time
a new version of Revolution comes out. I know that if you purchase the
current version you will get a free version of Rev 2.0 when it is finally
released.

Thanks,
Mark Brownell

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