Filter command not working with tabs??
Hi all. I cannot see what I am doing wrong here. Try this yourselves. In the message box put: put test tab tab return \ sw_ tab tab return \ sw_test3 tabtab return into theDropData put tab tab into theFilter filter theDropData without theFilter put theDropData I get: test sw_ sw_test3 NOTICE if you will, that lines 1 2 have 2 tabs together, and 3 does not. The filter command here should give me just line 3 shouldn't it?? Perhaps I do not understand the filter command or regular expressions very well, but the command reference seems to indicate that I should filter out all the lines that do not contain two tabs, but it is not doing this. It looks for all the world like the filter command is completely ignoring tabs in the expression! Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Filter command not working with tabs??
Bob- Try filter theDropData without * theFilter * -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Filter command not working with tabs??
Hi Bob, filter theDropData without * theFilter * -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and share the clipboard of your computer over the local network. On 3 jun 2010, at 00:18, Bob Sneidar wrote: Hi all. I cannot see what I am doing wrong here. Try this yourselves. In the message box put: put test tab tab return \ sw_ tab tab return \ sw_test3 tabtab return into theDropData put tab tab into theFilter filter theDropData without theFilter put theDropData I get: test sw_ sw_test3 NOTICE if you will, that lines 1 2 have 2 tabs together, and 3 does not. The filter command here should give me just line 3 shouldn't it?? Perhaps I do not understand the filter command or regular expressions very well, but the command reference seems to indicate that I should filter out all the lines that do not contain two tabs, but it is not doing this. It looks for all the world like the filter command is completely ignoring tabs in the expression! Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Filter command not working with tabs??
Dangit! I think I already asked this one a couple weeks ago! sigh I remember now. Bob On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Bob- Try filter theDropData without * theFilter * -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Filter command not working with tabs??
The filter command works on wildcards, not regex Your filter definition = keep lines that are not exactly tabtab You might be thinking put * tab tab * into theFiliter = which means keep lines that do not have at least two tabs in sequence On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Hi all. I cannot see what I am doing wrong here. Try this yourselves. In the message box put: put test tab tab return \ sw_ tab tab return \ sw_test3 tabtab return into theDropData put tab tab into theFilter filter theDropData without theFilter put theDropData I get: test sw_ sw_test3 NOTICE if you will, that lines 1 2 have 2 tabs together, and 3 does not. The filter command here should give me just line 3 shouldn't it?? Perhaps I do not understand the filter command or regular expressions very well, but the command reference seems to indicate that I should filter out all the lines that do not contain two tabs, but it is not doing this. It looks for all the world like the filter command is completely ignoring tabs in the expression! Bob Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] tRev now sporting 'background' tabs!
Lovers of tabbed browsing of scripts, This week's video shows you how to open scripts to objects in new tabs while remaining in the current tab. http://reveditor.com/background-tabs-open-a-tab-without-going-ther Here are the details along with other improvements... New Background Tabs - Now you can open a tab to another object while staying in your current tab. - This allows you to keep working in the browser or on a script. - Use command key (control on PCs) to open a tab without going to it. - Works on Browser line items, links-to-handlers in code, and the scratchpad. - Command+double-clicking a line item in Browser no longer edits name of line item. Easier Scratch pad locking - When scratch pad is unlocked, escape key locks it. Fixed - If tRev thinks it's offline on startup, it now tries again. - Scratch Pad contents now reliably preserved from session-to-session. - When in zoom mode, controls in list can now be renamed. - When in zoom mode and controls being renamed, escape key now exits renaming. Best, Jerry Daniels Last week's Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/need-to-move-controls-in-card-snaps-zoom ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Layer Tabs on a Tabbed Button
Richard, If you ever find the reference to the study, I'd be interested in it. I seem to recall a particularly ghastly set of magically reorganizing multi-rowed tab controls at the User Interface Hall of Shame. Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcus wrote: Is there anyway to create a layered effect on a tabbed button, so that you can have two or even three rows of tabs all on the same button? I understand that multi-row tabs are a common convention, but they're not supported on other OSes for several reasons. First, they break their own metaphor when a user selects a tab in any but the lower-most row, since the row needs to shift to the front and thus departs from the real-world metaphor of a physical object which remains in one place when selected. Also, the moving of the rows often confuses the user; tests show few can predict exactly what will happen when the rows need to shift (I can't find the paper I'd read that in, but maybe one of the others here know the URL). OS X explicitly forbids the use of multi-row tabs, and the Gnome HIG offers the suggestion to consider using a vertical list when you need a selector that has more options than can fit in a single tab row: http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/controls-notebooks.html.en The nice thing about Calum Benson's suggestion is that it's simple to make in Rev. :) -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Layer Tabs on a Tabbed Button
I seem to recall a particularly ghastly set of magically reorganizing multi-rowed tab controls at the User Interface Hall of Shame. Yes, here it is: http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/tabs.htm Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Layer Tabs on a Tabbed Button
Oh, geez, yup! That's the one!! Scroll down to the animated GIF of the Word 6 display (always HATED Word 6). When my Rev-related class was on the teaching schedule, the UI HoS was one of my required readings ;-) Thanks for that, Ken! Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to recall a particularly ghastly set of magically reorganizing multi-rowed tab controls at the User Interface Hall of Shame. Yes, here it is: http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/tabs.htm Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Layer Tabs on a Tabbed Button
Is there anyway to create a layered effect on a tabbed button, so that you can have two or even three rows of tabs all on the same button? I'd rather not have 7 or 8 tabs all on one row if I can put some of them down onto a second row. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Layer Tabs on a Tabbed Button
Hi Marcus, Instead of using tabs, why not use one or more pop-up menus? Joe Wilkins On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Marcus Lindley wrote: Is there anyway to create a layered effect on a tabbed button, so that you can have two or even three rows of tabs all on the same button? I'd rather not have 7 or 8 tabs all on one row if I can put some of them down onto a second row. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Layer Tabs on a Tabbed Button
Instead of using tabs, why not use one or more pop-up menus?Because each tab contains a separate group of labelsand fields that need to be displayed separately. A pop-up menuwould not be very accomodating for the user to cycle through thevarious groups. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Layer Tabs on a Tabbed Button
I guess you need to see the who thing. I'm just not a big fan of TABs, regardless. (smile) Joe Wilkins On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Marcus Lindley wrote: Because each tab contains a separate group of labelsand fields that need to be displayed separately. A pop-up menuwould not be very accomodating for the user to cycle through thevarious groups. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Layer Tabs on a Tabbed Button
Marcus wrote: Is there anyway to create a layered effect on a tabbed button, so that you can have two or even three rows of tabs all on the same button? I understand that multi-row tabs are a common convention, but they're not supported on other OSes for several reasons. First, they break their own metaphor when a user selects a tab in any but the lower-most row, since the row needs to shift to the front and thus departs from the real-world metaphor of a physical object which remains in one place when selected. Also, the moving of the rows often confuses the user; tests show few can predict exactly what will happen when the rows need to shift (I can't find the paper I'd read that in, but maybe one of the others here know the URL). OS X explicitly forbids the use of multi-row tabs, and the Gnome HIG offers the suggestion to consider using a vertical list when you need a selector that has more options than can fit in a single tab row: http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/controls-notebooks.html.en The nice thing about Calum Benson's suggestion is that it's simple to make in Rev. :) -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Position of tabs in tabbed button
Thanks for the input guys. Finally got around to posting an enhancement request but found that 3272 already seems to cover it. So I lobbed in a few votes and please, feel free to do likewise. regards Martin Blackman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Position of tabs in tabbed button
List users, Is there any way one can change the 'alignment' of tabs in a tabbed button ? By default they are at the left, I'd like to try them on the right hand side to make a GUI of mine more compact. regards Martin ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Position of tabs in tabbed button
On 11/7/06 4:39 AM, Martin Blackman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List users, Is there any way one can change the 'alignment' of tabs in a tabbed button ? By default they are at the left, I'd like to try them on the right hand side to make a GUI of mine more compact. Not that I'm aware of... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Position of tabs in tabbed button
On 11/7/06 4:39 AM, Martin Blackman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List users, Is there any way one can change the 'alignment' of tabs in a tabbed button ? By default they are at the left, I'd like to try them on the right hand side to make a GUI of mine more compact. Not that I'm aware of... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. That would be a great enhancement request though. Left, center, or right alignment would be a nice choice to have. It would also be nice to have an option for vertical tabs. A workaround is to use multiple buttons that use icon images designed to look like tabs, and position them as you like. The good thing about this method is your tabs will look the same on all platforms (if that is what you want). Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Position of tabs in tabbed button
You can always roll your own as well. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Change Tabs
Sarah, thanks for telling me how to do this. I don't feel too foolish; it isn't very obvious that menuHistory is the way to switch from tab to tab. : ) Everyone, hope the weather is as nice in your part of the world as it is in Arizona. If it is, enjoy! Mark Greenberg ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Change Tabs
I know I'm missing something obvious, so I'll brace myself for egg on my face now. How does one script a change in a tabbed button? That is, I need it to change from one tab to another without the user clicking it. Thanks in advance, Mark Greenberg ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Change Tabs
On 10/6/06, Mark Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I'm missing something obvious, so I'll brace myself for egg on my face now. How does one script a change in a tabbed button? That is, I need it to change from one tab to another without the user clicking it. set the menuHistory of btn Tabs to 3 will effectively click on the 3rd tab. If you have a menuPick handler, it will be triggered then. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tabs as Background
I have a stack that's using some tabs and those tabs are set to the background. It's working great to tab between my cards on that stack. Is there a way to use a card in this stack that doesn't use the tabs? Another wards is there a way to turn off the tabs for a specific card if the tabs are set to the background? Jeff ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs as Background
Hi Jeff, I have a stack that's using some tabs and those tabs are set to the background. It's working great to tab between my cards on that stack. Is there a way to use a card in this stack that doesn't use the tabs? Another wards is there a way to turn off the tabs for a specific card if the tabs are set to the background? Yes, sure! Go to the card where you do NOT wnat the TABS as a background, then select menu Object - Remove group and that's it :-) You can also do this by script: ... remove bg name of your TAB group from card xyz ... Jeff Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs as Background
If you've named the group myGroup, then in the script of the card where you don't want it shown: on openCard hide grp myGroup pass openCard end openCard on closeCard show group myGroup pass closeCard end closeCard Mark On 10 Feb 2006, at 15:07, Jeff Honken wrote: I have a stack that's using some tabs and those tabs are set to the background. It's working great to tab between my cards on that stack. Is there a way to use a card in this stack that doesn't use the tabs? Another wards is there a way to turn off the tabs for a specific card if the tabs are set to the background? Jeff ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Tabs as Background
Klaus, Thanks, I'll give it a try. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Klaus Major Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:11 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Tabs as Background Hi Jeff, I have a stack that's using some tabs and those tabs are set to the background. It's working great to tab between my cards on that stack. Is there a way to use a card in this stack that doesn't use the tabs? Another wards is there a way to turn off the tabs for a specific card if the tabs are set to the background? Yes, sure! Go to the card where you do NOT wnat the TABS as a background, then select menu Object - Remove group and that's it :-) You can also do this by script: ... remove bg name of your TAB group from card xyz ... Jeff Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange field wraps with tabs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard said: ... You mentioned Sort function crashes. No, I said that the Sort command yields unpredictable results when you attempt to use it on strings larger than its documented bounds. This is true of any app where you exceed the limits of the data type being handled. I have a similar problem with my car: its manual says it only runs on unleaded gasoline, but I prefer to pour gravel into the tank. Damn but that crappy car just won't run. ;) Neither myself nor any of my few thousand users have reported a crash when exceeding the documented limits of the sort command. It may be possible (I suppose it's possible to crash anything when you push it far enough outside of what it's described to be able to do), but I've not heard of such a case. While the Rev text engine is not without its limitations, its capabilities far exceed those of TextEdit (used across the Mac platform at the time Rev's was created), and has arguably fewer limitations and bugs than WASTE, one of the most popular text engines used by third party Mac apps for more than a decade. I'm not as familiar with the technical underpinnings of Windows text engines, but perhaps NotePad's limit of 32k gives us some idea of similar limits there. There are very few if any practical reasons to present data to the user which exceeds 65,535 characters _per line_; that's a lot to ask of a user. Rev has no problem storing and retrieving data up for 4GB, but I pity the user of an app which would insist on presenting all of that data for the user to read. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Strange field wraps with tabs
Xavier, Thank you, again, for the suggestion that tabs might be causing the strange display problems in large fields. I changed the delimiter from tab to | and the display problems disappeared. The original reason for the tabs was to make the data more transportable - especially to spreadsheets. But it is easy to convert it: replace | with tab in field Datafield Or, if one wants to see the data more easily, use | - with a space before and after the bar, then replace | with tab in field Datafield Good advice. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange field wraps with tabs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Xavier, Thank you, again, for the suggestion that tabs might be causing the strange display problems in large fields. I changed the delimiter from tab to | and the display problems disappeared. The original reason for the tabs was to make the data more transportable - especially to spreadsheets. But it is easy to convert it: replace | with tab in field Datafield Or, if one wants to see the data more easily, use | - with a space before and after the bar, then replace | with tab in field Datafield Just make sure you never do business with C|Net, as their trademark will break your data parsing. In my tests here I found odd rendering even without tabs -- see this post: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2005-November/069319.html On the bright side, there's rarely a need to display that many columns to a user in most layouts. In DB apps it's common to display a useful subset of fields in a list for the user to pick from, and then edit fields in a detail view showing all fields. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange field wraps with tabs
Richard, Agreed. Sane people will seldom need to concern themselves with this. I have over a hundred tabs in my lines (certainly not real world). By the way, the vertical tab (ASCII 11) displays in the message box and in fields but not in the script editor. PL ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Strange field wraps with tabs
Hi Paul Im only too glad to help. Is this bugzillaed? I didn't find it in my last scan... ;) Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 6:35 PM To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Strange field wraps with tabs Xavier, Thank you, again, for the suggestion that tabs might be causing the strange display problems in large fields. I changed the delimiter from tab to | and the display problems disappeared. The original reason for the tabs was to make the data more transportable - especially to spreadsheets. But it is easy to convert it: replace | with tab in field Datafield Or, if one wants to see the data more easily, use | - with a space before and after the bar, then replace | with tab in field Datafield Good advice. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Strange field wraps with tabs
Richard said: On the bright side, there's rarely a need to display that many columns to a user in most layouts. In DB apps it's common to display a useful subset of fields in a list for the user to pick from, and then edit fields in a detail view showing all fields. No there isn't a bright side for some of us... Only workarounds. I entered a bugzilla last week. Copy pasting from excel with just a bit too much data (500 rows X 2 or 3 rows) = crash. Once every 3 months i get this... You mentioned Sort function crashes. I know regex does too. Im sure there's others. This is an ancient bug and if i get hit every 3 months by it, you have, Paul seems to also... Other possibilities to get hit with this bug are: - Output of data into a field (via script) and then editing - Pasting data - Viewing data via propertyPalette Funnily enough, the revVariableWatcher is protected... Maybe it's about time this gets fixed instead of being excused... cheers Xavier - To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has recently changed the email address format to conform with industry standards. The new format is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tabs
Hello, Is it possible to define tabs (right, left, center, decimal like word processor) with tabStop ? If yes, then how ? If no, then when ? René Micout Paris, OS X Tiger, Dreamcard 2.6.1___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Tabs
Hi Rene Use the tabstops of the field... there's different settings so refer to the revdocs but it's measured in pixels from start (or the previous tab)... And repeated as the last tabstop set. cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of René Micout Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 3:06 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Tabs Hello, Is it possible to define tabs (right, left, center, decimal like word processor) with tabStop ? If yes, then how ? If no, then when ? René Micout Paris, OS X Tiger, Dreamcard 2.6.1___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
Thank you, but my question was about right (), left (), center (l), decimal (.) aligned (alignés ?) tabs, like with WindowScript (you know ?) tabs possibility René Micout, Paris, Mac OS X Tiger, Dreamcard 2.6.1 Le 29 oct. 05 à 17:08, MisterX a écrit : Hi Rene Use the tabstops of the field... there's different settings so refer to the revdocs but it's measured in pixels from start (or the previous tab)... And repeated as the last tabstop set. cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of René Micout Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 3:06 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Tabs Hello, Is it possible to define tabs (right, left, center, decimal like word processor) with tabStop ? If yes, then how ? If no, then when ? René Micout Paris, OS X Tiger, Dreamcard 2.6.1___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
René Micout wrote: Thank you, but my question was about right (), left (), center (l), decimal (.) aligned (alignés ?) tabs, like with WindowScript (you know ?) tabs possibility No, I'm afraid not. Tabstops are just like dumb tabstops on a typewriter - i.e. each column is left-aligned no support for different types of tabs. You can usually get the desired effect, with a bit more effort and trouble, using multiple fields, possibly grouped to get scrolling, and setting the text align of each field.. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 28/10/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
Thank you Alex, I did that a few years ago with HyperCard... For the revolution staff : is it possible in the 2.7 version ? René Micout, Paris, Mac OS X Tiger, Dreamcard 2.6.1 Le 29 oct. 05 à 17:42, Alex Tweedly a écrit : René Micout wrote: Thank you, but my question was about right (), left (), center (l), decimal (.) aligned (alignés ?) tabs, like with WindowScript (you know ?) tabs possibility No, I'm afraid not. Tabstops are just like dumb tabstops on a typewriter - i.e. each column is left-aligned no support for different types of tabs. You can usually get the desired effect, with a bit more effort and trouble, using multiple fields, possibly grouped to get scrolling, and setting the text align of each field.. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/151 - Release Date: 28/10/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
tabs in the editor(s)
I guess I should have asked this obvious question a few weeks ago, when it was revealed that tab reformats text rather than inserting the tab character. How does one insert a tab character using the editor(s) [including Constellation, Jerry]? I want to create a table of values, and I think I need to use tabs to separate out the various values. Or maybe I'm on the wrong track entirely. Won't be the first time... ;) Jon ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: tabs in the editor(s)
Hi Jon, In usual scripts you can use the tab constant: put Jon tab Bondy into tGuy Or if you build html by coding: put p Jon #9; Bondy /p into tGuy Is that clear? Le 10 juil. 05 à 15:07, Jon a écrit : I guess I should have asked this obvious question a few weeks ago, when it was revealed that tab reformats text rather than inserting the tab character. How does one insert a tab character using the editor(s) [including Constellation, Jerry]? I want to create a table of values, and I think I need to use tabs to separate out the various values. Or maybe I'm on the wrong track entirely. Won't be the first time... Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: tabs in the editor(s)
Eric: Ah. I'm getting confused because the UI for the script editor is different than the UI for the property inspector. Tabs actually work as expected in the property inspector, just not in the editor. ARRRGHHh. OK. I'm better now. Thanks. Jon Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Jon, In usual scripts you can use the tab constant: put Jon tab Bondy into tGuy Or if you build html by coding: put p Jon #9; Bondy /p into tGuy Is that clear? Le 10 juil. 05 à 15:07, Jon a écrit : I guess I should have asked this obvious question a few weeks ago, when it was revealed that tab reformats text rather than inserting the tab character. How does one insert a tab character using the editor(s) [including Constellation, Jerry]? I want to create a table of values, and I think I need to use tabs to separate out the various values. Or maybe I'm on the wrong track entirely. Won't be the first time... Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: tabs in the editor(s)
Jon wrote: I guess I should have asked this obvious question a few weeks ago, when it was revealed that tab reformats text rather than inserting the tab character. How does one insert a tab character using the editor(s) [including Constellation, Jerry]? I want to create a table of values, and I think I need to use tabs to separate out the various values. Or maybe I'm on the wrong track entirely. Won't be the first time... I usually do something like local myVar = 1,2,3 replace comma by TAB in myVar though I have been known to do put asd\twer into a replace \t with TAB in a Or use a different character instead (I often use |, in any case where I might want to deal with normal text which might contain tab characters); obviously you can't do that if you need tab-formatting in output to fields, but otherwise it's often a better choice. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 08/07/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: tabs in the editor(s)
Don't be confused; No worth :-) I shall add that in Rev prior to 2.5.1 you could type a tab in the message box and copy it. But since, runRev guys revised the message box stack and now, pressing the tab key switches between upper and lower field. More respect for guide lines but less handy :-( Le 10 juil. 05 à 15:40, Jon a écrit : Ah. I'm getting confused because the UI for the script editor is different than the UI for the property inspector. Tabs actually work as expected in the property inspector, just not in the editor. ARRRGHHh. OK. I'm better now. Thanks. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: tabs in the editor(s)
On putting tabs into output, Alex Tweedly wrote: I usually do something like local myVar = 1,2,3 replace comma by TAB in myVar though I have been known to do put asd\twer into a replace \t with TAB in a Don't forget the format function, which will replace \t and \n with tabs and newlines AND can format numbers as you like 'em. Great for creating a table of values, Jon. put format(asd\twer) into a t -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. 800 Water Street Sauk City, WI 53583 608.643.2586 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hi Sarah, Thanks for taking a look ! I am not unaware that the code I used was both verbose and non-optimized. Believe it or not, this was deliberate! My rationale is this: A complete newbie, non-programmer, could probably look at a series of if-then-end ifs and understand what was going on such that s/he could modify the script for a different usage. A real programmer could likewise take a look at it and understand it while going off muttering about what a complete idiot I am for doing it that way. OTOH, while a real programmer could look at the more optimized code with its menuPick and pParameters and the like and understand it, I really doubt that a complete newbie, non-programmer would do likewise. I guess I should really rename my planned series 'Transcript for Dummies' @;-) Eric and Klaus and the others are doing nice things for the programming crowd; I'm trying to do likewise for the DreamCard group who wants to do something a little bit more exciting than the PowerPoint that they've been told is all they ever need to know... Judy On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Hi Judy, Good tutorial and the PDF is a neat touch and very well put together. However I suggest you have a look at the menuPick message which makes handling tabs much easier. When using one card per tab, here is the script I use: on menuPick pCardName go to card pCardName end menuPick For tabs where you are hiding and showing groups, it is made easy by the fact that for tabbed buttons, the menuPick has 2 parameters: the tab just chosen and the tab previously chosen, so you cna use this: on menuPick pNewGroup, pOldGroup hide group pOldGroup show group pNewGroup end menuPick Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hi Judy, Let me tell you very friendly that I do'nt agree your position. Beginners are surely as clever as you and me put together ;-) Only they don't already know... And have to learn. I think that it 's always better for them to take the right way without waiting. Here, using the menuPick message (1 line handler versus 12 lines: Rev is sometimes verbose, sometimes so simple...) is the right way. Adding some good explanations about parameters would complete the job. I'm thinking of such a tutorial: How to pass parameters (handlers) and arguments (functions) by reference or not... If I get the time and if some of you tell me that they would be interested despite my bad english :-) Best regards, Le 14 avr. 05, à 09:21, Judy Perry a écrit : Hi Sarah, Thanks for taking a look ! I am not unaware that the code I used was both verbose and non-optimized. Believe it or not, this was deliberate! My rationale is this: A complete newbie, non-programmer, could probably look at a series of if-then-end ifs and understand what was going on such that s/he could modify the script for a different usage. A real programmer could likewise take a look at it and understand it while going off muttering about what a complete idiot I am for doing it that way. OTOH, while a real programmer could look at the more optimized code with its menuPick and pParameters and the like and understand it, I really doubt that a complete newbie, non-programmer would do likewise. I guess I should really rename my planned series 'Transcript for Dummies' @;-) Eric and Klaus and the others are doing nice things for the programming crowd; I'm trying to do likewise for the DreamCard group who wants to do something a little bit more exciting than the PowerPoint that they've been told is all they ever need to know... Judy On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Hi Judy, Good tutorial and the PDF is a neat touch and very well put together. However I suggest you have a look at the menuPick message which makes handling tabs much easier. When using one card per tab, here is the script I use: on menuPick pCardName go to card pCardName end menuPick For tabs where you are hiding and showing groups, it is made easy by the fact that for tabbed buttons, the menuPick has 2 parameters: the tab just chosen and the tab previously chosen, so you cna use this: on menuPick pNewGroup, pOldGroup hide group pOldGroup show group pNewGroup end menuPick Cheers, Sarah Amicalement, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone 33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile 33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Judy, Where is your tabs tutorial? I tried searching online for RevOnline but didn't find anything that pertained to your work. Can you post a URL for it so that I can see your labor of love? I appreciate your newbie approach. I'm right there with you and trying to decipher optimized code doesn't stoke my enthusiasm or build the mental library. Thank you, Michael ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hi Michael, When you launch Rev 2.5, a little window should come up that _is_ RevOnline. It should have a little, narrow, left pane that has things like (this is from memory, so may not b e 100% accurate) Home, Training Center, User Spaces... and a wide right pane that has a bunch of graphics. Clicking on the left pane of User Spaces should result in two choices on the right, being 'Browse by User' and 'Browse by topic' (or some such thing). For the former, look me up: JudyPerry; for the latter, look under the Education category and it's the last one in there. If all this fails, let me know and I'll email it to you directly. Judy On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Michael Mandaville wrote: Judy, Where is your tabs tutorial? I tried searching online for RevOnline but didn't find anything that pertained to your work. Can you post a URL for it so that I can see your labor of love? I appreciate your newbie approach. I'm right there with you and trying to decipher optimized code doesn't stoke my enthusiasm or build the mental library. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tabs tutorial Ordinary Humans -- Long
Hi Eric, Let me tell you very friendly that I do'nt agree your position. Beginners are surely as clever as you and me put together ;-) Only they don't already know... And have to learn. --I take your comments in the friendly spirit in which they were offered... but I still disagree. They only HAVE to learn if you are in a position of power (e.g., they are taking your class, you are the teacher and what you say goes). A real life example from my master's program in instructional design and technology: Our group consisted of 23 students (yours truly included). One taught Director at his university. One or two others had a slight geek background. The bulk of the remainder were public school teachers and the like. Of the last group, one only sorta, kinda, figured out what a URL was (that is, if you sent her one, she knew what to do with it and if you asked her for one, she could identify it in her browser window and send it to you; in the beginning, she couldn't even do that) after two years. Didn't know what a browser was. Didn't know what kind of computer she used (NOT uncommon! I did a little survey of 75 or so future teachers at a job fair that queried them on what they would like to be able to do with a computer, what kind of computer they had, etc. Similar results). Okay, so we were forced to use Director. Director, which sorta-kinda has a verbose, Hypertalk/Transcript-like mode. For our final m.s. project, we could use whatever we liked. AFAIK, there was only one or two Director-based projects. With the exception of me using Rev, the rest of them used FrontPage(!) to create an instructional module for their public school class. If normal people perceive a software product to be overly geeky or confusing, and IF they have a choice, they WILL use something else. Dreamcard *could be* the tool of choice for public school teachers to use to create interactive courseware. But, unfortunately, the state of computer literacy/preparedness for public school teachers in the U.S. is truly pitiful. I tested my m.s. project out on a buch of Reading master's candidate who, again, were largely women and largely public school teachers seeking a master's degree in reading. Fully 1/3 or more self-identified as 'technophobes' and 'stupid about computers' and the like. Only one or two indicated any confidence about using a computer to create things using *PowerPoint*. More than half had serious modality problems with respect to Rev's new, improved cursors that allow you to switch between editing/browsing modes. More than a few had modality problems in that they clicked outside Rev's areas, fell back into the operating system, and considered *that* a roadblock. The most techie thing that they had done during the course of their m.s. program was to do the occasional PowerPoint presentation. That's the edu mindset here in the U.S. The literature further shows that surveys of even college professors' software usage tends not to go beyond using a word processor, a spreadsheet (maybe!), email and a web browser. I can dig it up if you are interested. I think that it 's always better for them to take the right way without waiting. Here, using the menuPick message (1 line handler versus 12 lines: Rev is sometimes verbose, sometimes so simple...) is the right way. Adding some good explanations about parameters would complete the job. I think that this *could* be done later, once you've got this group hooked. I've got a master's candidate in music who's taking my class right now. After three weeks of going over it with him, having an example stack and PDF, he STILL can't quite get his head wrapped around the concept of a variable such that he can actually create and use one. Life in the trenches... Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs tutorial Ordinary Humans -- Long
Hi Judy, Thanks for your thoughtful answer. I have nothing to add but only one thing: gifts are very various on this earth. Why force people to learn programming if there are so much better when painting or playing an (other) instrument? Best, Le 14 avr. 05, à 19:32, Judy Perry a écrit : Hi Eric, Let me tell you very friendly that I do'nt agree your position. Beginners are surely as clever as you and me put together ;-) Only they don't already know... And have to learn. --I take your comments in the friendly spirit in which they were offered... but I still disagree. They only HAVE to learn if you are in a position of power (e.g., they are taking your class, you are the teacher and what you say goes). A real life example from my master's program in instructional design and technology: Our group consisted of 23 students (yours truly included). One taught Director at his university. One or two others had a slight geek background. The bulk of the remainder were public school teachers and the like. Of the last group, one only sorta, kinda, figured out what a URL was (that is, if you sent her one, she knew what to do with it and if you asked her for one, she could identify it in her browser window and send it to you; in the beginning, she couldn't even do that) after two years. Didn't know what a browser was. Didn't know what kind of computer she used (NOT uncommon! I did a little survey of 75 or so future teachers at a job fair that queried them on what they would like to be able to do with a computer, what kind of computer they had, etc. Similar results). Okay, so we were forced to use Director. Director, which sorta-kinda has a verbose, Hypertalk/Transcript-like mode. For our final m.s. project, we could use whatever we liked. AFAIK, there was only one or two Director-based projects. With the exception of me using Rev, the rest of them used FrontPage(!) to create an instructional module for their public school class. If normal people perceive a software product to be overly geeky or confusing, and IF they have a choice, they WILL use something else. Dreamcard *could be* the tool of choice for public school teachers to use to create interactive courseware. But, unfortunately, the state of computer literacy/preparedness for public school teachers in the U.S. is truly pitiful. I tested my m.s. project out on a buch of Reading master's candidate who, again, were largely women and largely public school teachers seeking a master's degree in reading. Fully 1/3 or more self-identified as 'technophobes' and 'stupid about computers' and the like. Only one or two indicated any confidence about using a computer to create things using *PowerPoint*. More than half had serious modality problems with respect to Rev's new, improved cursors that allow you to switch between editing/browsing modes. More than a few had modality problems in that they clicked outside Rev's areas, fell back into the operating system, and considered *that* a roadblock. The most techie thing that they had done during the course of their m.s. program was to do the occasional PowerPoint presentation. That's the edu mindset here in the U.S. The literature further shows that surveys of even college professors' software usage tends not to go beyond using a word processor, a spreadsheet (maybe!), email and a web browser. I can dig it up if you are interested. I think that it 's always better for them to take the right way without waiting. Here, using the menuPick message (1 line handler versus 12 lines: Rev is sometimes verbose, sometimes so simple...) is the right way. Adding some good explanations about parameters would complete the job. I think that this *could* be done later, once you've got this group hooked. I've got a master's candidate in music who's taking my class right now. After three weeks of going over it with him, having an example stack and PDF, he STILL can't quite get his head wrapped around the concept of a variable such that he can actually create and use one. Life in the trenches... Judy Amicalement, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone 33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile 33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs tutorial Ordinary Humans -- Long
Hi Judy, A last word because my bad english makes me not so clear... My last remaks are general remarks about the world we are living in. Not about you and the hard job to teach technology which is yours. Amicalement, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone 33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile 33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
I guess what I was hoping for was to see Chapter 1, or the Getting Started Guide. The little pieces parts don't seem to do for decent anything. -- http://taoof4d.blogspot.com http://4dwishlist.blogspot.com On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
I'm kinda lost... what is this comment in respect to? I think there is/was a getting started by *user type*. I am hazarding a guess that Chater 1 would be very like Dan's upcoming review of the IDE? (which , of course, of necessity, will likely be different than my own little 'getting started' pdf for my class which only shows how to use the IDE to create a simple shell of a slide-show multimedia program with a very little bit of user interactivity). Judy On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Mikey wrote: I guess what I was hoping for was to see Chapter 1, or the Getting Started Guide. The little pieces parts don't seem to do for decent anything. -- http://taoof4d.blogspot.com http://4dwishlist.blogspot.com On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hi Judy, Good tutorial and the PDF is a neat touch and very well put together. However I suggest you have a look at the menuPick message which makes handling tabs much easier. When using one card per tab, here is the script I use: on menuPick pCardName go to card pCardName end menuPick For tabs where you are hiding and showing groups, it is made easy by the fact that for tabbed buttons, the menuPick has 2 parameters: the tab just chosen and the tab previously chosen, so you cna use this: on menuPick pNewGroup, pOldGroup hide group pOldGroup show group pNewGroup end menuPick Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hi, I have finished a tutorial PDF and an example stack on creating and using tabs in Rev. You can find it on RevOnline in the education category (all the way at the bottom) or in one of my user space identities (JudyPerry). Tab 3 of the stack has a button that *should* download an accompanying PDF with screenshots showing how to more or less build the example stack. Constructive comments always welcomed! Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
I'm kind of curious - somebody mentioned that it was possible to disable tabs. How? -- http://taoof4d.blogspot.com http://4dwishlist.blogspot.com On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hi Mikey, I'm kind of curious - somebody mentioned that it was possible to disable tabs. How? Put a ( before that name of that tab like: (Line 1 Line 2 Line 3 This way the first tab is disabled... To enable it again, remove the ( again... TABBED buttons are just ordinary menu buttons ;-) Can be done manually or by script. Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
As near as I can tell, you can only disable the entire tabbed control, not individual tabs. But perhaps somebody out there knows better? Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Mikey wrote: I'm kind of curious - somebody mentioned that it was possible to disable tabs. How? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Waaayyy cool! But... drat. gotta update the PDF now. Thanks, Klaus! Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Klaus Major wrote: Put a ( before that name of that tab like: (Line 1 Line 2 Line 3 This way the first tab is disabled... To enable it again, remove the ( again... TABBED buttons are just ordinary menu buttons ;-) Can be done manually or by script. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Klaus Major wrote: Hi Mikey, I'm kind of curious - somebody mentioned that it was possible to disable tabs. How? Put a ( before that name of that tab like: (Line 1 Line 2 Line 3 This way the first tab is disabled... To enable it again, remove the ( again... Cool tip -- thanks! TABBED buttons are just ordinary menu buttons ;-) Does that mean I can make hierarchical tab buttons? ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Yep, majorly cool (I think) but where did Klaus find this info? A quick look at the docs didn't reveal anything for me... Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
You can also enable/disable tabs by using enable/disable menuItem commands. Example: disable menuItem 1 of btn TabControl enable menuItem 2 of btn TabControl Etc. Or, even another option: disable/enable line 1 of btn TabControl This also works. :-) Chris Sheffield Read Naturally -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Perry Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:07 PM To: Mikey; How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial As near as I can tell, you can only disable the entire tabbed control, not individual tabs. But perhaps somebody out there knows better? Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Mikey wrote: I'm kind of curious - somebody mentioned that it was possible to disable tabs. How? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hi Judy, I downladed your nice stack and enjoy it but I was unable to downlaod the PDF file :-( As for disabling a tab, see the How-To stack #013 How to manage tabbed buttons I posted yesterday on RevOnLine, RevNet and by pasting: go url http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/ Managing%20Tabbed%20Buttons.rev Best regards, How to disable or enable a tab by script To disable or enable a tab, just add or remove a parenthesis placed before its name in the button's text: if char 1 of line 2 of button MyTabs ( then put ( before line 2 of button MyTabs -- disable end if if char 1 of line 2 of button MyTabs = ( then delete char 1 of line 2 of button MyTabs -- enable end if Le 12 avr. 05, à 22:06, Judy Perry a écrit : As near as I can tell, you can only disable the entire tabbed control, not individual tabs. But perhaps somebody out there knows better? Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Mikey wrote: I'm kind of curious - somebody mentioned that it was possible to disable tabs. How? Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone 33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile 33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
I think that this is left over from the old menu behavior documentation for UI's. For example, if you wanted a line to be a separator you would have it be a single dash. I wonder if the shortcut embeds work... -- http://taoofrunrev.blogspot.com http://taoof4d.blogspot.com http://4dwishlist.blogspot.com On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hi Richard, Klaus Major wrote: Hi Mikey, I'm kind of curious - somebody mentioned that it was possible to disable tabs. How? Put a ( before that name of that tab like: (Line 1 Line 2 Line 3 This way the first tab is disabled... To enable it again, remove the ( again... Cool tip -- thanks! :-) TABBED buttons are just ordinary menu buttons ;-) Does that mean I can make hierarchical tab buttons? ;) I am sure that YOU will manage that... ;-) Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hi Judy, Yep, majorly cool (I think) you bet! :-) but where did Klaus find this info? Even a man needs his little secrets... ;-) A quick look at the docs didn't reveal anything for me... As i said, TABBED buttons are nothing else but ordinary menu buttons... Judy Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
May be... But, I would have to stress that a normal human (i.e., a non-programmer) who goes through the docs for tab buttons and doesn't see how to disable an individual tab isn't very likely to go check out menu behaviors (for the very simple and obvious reason that a tab button does not look like a menu!). Even if it duplicates info found out elsewhere, everything basically associated with a tab button (or any other object) aught to be found under that item's entry in the docs. Maybe for some things this is unreasonable, but enabling/disabling things is a basic thing that really aught to be there and not hiding out elsewhere. FWIW... This, and the fact that you can't do it from the object inspector, is part of what makes using the Rev IDE and its docs frustrating for some people (not venting here, just pointing out how others might experience things). As I haven't had the need to ever disable an individual tab, I'm not frustrated, but if I had needed to... yep, I'd be annoyed. Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Mikey wrote: I think that this is left over from the old menu behavior documentation for UI's. For example, if you wanted a line to be a separator you would have it be a single dash. I wonder if the shortcut embeds work... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hmmm... the file's there alright.. I'll try to see what's up. Or not, as the case apparently is. Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Judy, I downladed your nice stack and enjoy it but I was unable to downlaod the PDF file :-( As for disabling a tab, see the How-To stack #013 How to manage tabbed buttons I posted yesterday on RevOnLine, RevNet and by pasting: go url http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/ Managing%20Tabbed%20Buttons.rev Best regards, How to disable or enable a tab by script To disable or enable a tab, just add or remove a parenthesis placed before its name in the button's text: if char 1 of line 2 of button MyTabs ( then put ( before line 2 of button MyTabs -- disable end if if char 1 of line 2 of button MyTabs = ( then delete char 1 of line 2 of button MyTabs -- enable end if Le 12 avr. 05, à 22:06, Judy Perry a écrit : As near as I can tell, you can only disable the entire tabbed control, not individual tabs. But perhaps somebody out there knows better? Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Mikey wrote: I'm kind of curious - somebody mentioned that it was possible to disable tabs. How? Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Web site http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone 33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hi Eric, Okay, I had to move the directory. I just tested it and the PDF d/l works on this end. Could you confirm? Thanks! Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Judy, I downladed your nice stack and enjoy it but I was unable to downlaod the PDF file :-( ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Judy Perry wrote: Hmmm... the file's there alright.. I'll try to see what's up. Or not, as the case apparently is. Judy, I don't even begin to understand this - but here's what happened for me. 1. Clicked on the button Get PDF. brief flicker on the screen, nothing more. 2. looked at the stack source, copy/paste the line into the message box similar flicker 3. looked at the docs to remind myself what revGoURL is supposed to do. 3a. went and found my (already open) browser instance. 4. browser is reporting file /RevPDFs/Rev_tabs.html not found 5. tried various things in the browser (e.g. the directory, the next level up directory, etc.) without any success 6. tried, for no obvious reason, the original URL again this time, the error message was Acrobat Reader: file is damaged and cannot be repaired 7. so, tried yet again. This time it worked, and I can now read the PDF just fine in Acrobat Reader. Go figure ! Win XP, Rev 2.5, Mozilla Firefox 1.0 -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 11/04/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Alex, Well, I forgot that I had to place the directory inside of the homepage directory (brainfart?). I moved it and worked for me. My guess is that the flicker is related to Rev's trying to go find and activate the web browser. What's interesting is that the flicker/wait happens even if the web browser is already active! Thanks! Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Alex Tweedly wrote: Judy, I don't even begin to understand this - but here's what happened for me. 1. Clicked on the button Get PDF. brief flicker on the screen, nothing more. 2. looked at the stack source, copy/paste the line into the message box similar flicker 3. looked at the docs to remind myself what revGoURL is supposed to do. 3a. went and found my (already open) browser instance. 4. browser is reporting file /RevPDFs/Rev_tabs.html not found 5. tried various things in the browser (e.g. the directory, the next level up directory, etc.) without any success 6. tried, for no obvious reason, the original URL again this time, the error message was Acrobat Reader: file is damaged and cannot be repaired 7. so, tried yet again. This time it worked, and I can now read the PDF just fine in Acrobat Reader. Go figure ! Win XP, Rev 2.5, Mozilla Firefox 1.0 use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Judy Perry wrote: Hi Eric, Okay, I had to move the directory. I just tested it and the PDF d/l works on this end. Could you confirm? Now works fine for me. Please ignore my previous email - I suspect I was doing that at the exact time you were moving the file to the new directory - would explain the progress missing -- damaged -- Ok. btw on the initial screen, I see the top field as MIST: A Game of Missed I need to make the field slightly wider (382 or more) to fit the whole text onto 2 lines, and see MIST: A Game of Missed Opportunities (WinXP, Rev 2.5) -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 11/04/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Hi Judy, I confirm: great PDF with a well done and very clear step by step :-) Best, Le 12 avr. 05, à 22:59, Judy Perry a écrit : Hi Eric, Okay, I had to move the directory. I just tested it and the PDF d/l works on this end. Could you confirm? Thanks! Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Eric Chatonet wrote: Hi Judy, I downladed your nice stack and enjoy it but I was unable to downlaod the PDF file :-( ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software Pour les institutionnels, les entreprises et les associations Des logiciels sur mesure : gestion, multimédia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS et Linux... Avec la french touch For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone 33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile 33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
So what are you saying - that the docs suck and somebody needs to fix that problem? What are you doing tonight? You're preaching to the choir. I tried emailing the yahoo list, but it appears to be mainly dead. I'd love to start with whatever anyone has and begin the process of building REAL docs for RR. -- http://taoofrunrev.blogspot.com http://taoof4d.blogspot.com http://4dwishlist.blogspot.com On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Mikey wrote: So what are you saying - that the docs suck and somebody needs to fix that problem? What are you doing tonight? You're preaching to the choir. I tried emailing the yahoo list, but it appears to be mainly dead. I prefer to believe it's merely in spring break. But as they say, the proof is in the pudding: Monte arranged a task which would let the group have strong influence on the design of a new TOC, but so far the rubber has yet to meet the road -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
This is probably true. I don't have a PC to test it on and so used the Win look'n'feel in Rev... Thanks for having a look! Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Alex Tweedly wrote: btw on the initial screen, I see the top field as MIST: A Game of Missed I need to make the field slightly wider (382 or more) to fit the whole text onto 2 lines, and see MIST: A Game of Missed Opportunities ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Well, I suspect I'm not saying anything that I haven't said before (for example, an index might have helped me find the answer to the question of how to disable a single tab) or that others haven't said before... I don't say that the documents suck but rather that some things perhaps need to be done differently. If I understand things correctly, there may be only a single person responsible for the documentation. The docs are considerable in what is covered/sheer volume of info that needs to be covered. It's hard to get everything right, especially if you don't have a team of people handling such a thing. Having said that, I still, however, think that if the object inspector for tabs doesn't allow you the obvious ability to disable a single tab, then the issue of how to do so really aught to be in the main dox section dealing with tab buttons. I'm surprised about what you say re: yahoo dox group. Dan posted there just last night or so and I responded. Not exactly a swinging, happening group, but not dead either. The problem with building 'real' docs from scratch is the same as I outlined in paragraph 1. That, and the fact that textual support is needed for a wide range of potential users (some who looked at my tabs stack probably cringed at the voluminous usage of if-then-end if's, but I think that normal humans who need a step-by-step probably relate more to if-thens than to case statements). There are those who never need to know about one-dimensional versus multidimensional arrays and those for whom that bit of info is a make or break the deal issue. etc. Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Mikey wrote: So what are you saying - that the docs suck and somebody needs to fix that problem? What are you doing tonight? You're preaching to the choir. I tried emailing the yahoo list, but it appears to be mainly dead. I'd love to start with whatever anyone has and begin the process of building REAL docs for RR. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
That's interesting, Richard. I had the rather vague understanding that you had spoken to Kevin and that he agreed to listen to whatever we had to say on the issue, but nothing as specific as a TOC. If I had understood, I'd be that group's equivalent of an electric cattle prod ;-) Judy On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: I prefer to believe it's merely in spring break. But as they say, the proof is in the pudding: Monte arranged a task which would let the group have strong influence on the design of a new TOC, but so far the rubber has yet to meet the road ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating Using Tabs tutorial
Judy Perry wrote: On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: I prefer to believe it's merely in spring break. But as they say, the proof is in the pudding: Monte arranged a task which would let the group have strong influence on the design of a new TOC, but so far the rubber has yet to meet the road That's interesting, Richard. I had the rather vague understanding that you had spoken to Kevin and that he agreed to listen to whatever we had to say on the issue, but nothing as specific as a TOC. If I had understood, I'd be that group's equivalent of an electric cattle prod ;-) See Monte's post from 10 Feb: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RevDocs/message/103 That was about the Getting Started section, and the TOC was to follow that. But as I mentioned in my note I just posted there, the discussion following his posted covered a lot of ground but little of it related to the opportunity at hand, so it went away. I believe the Getting Started stuff is done, and I don't know the current status of the TOC revision. So yes: Kevin and I have talked about the RevDocs group, and given its charter of being a working group of experienced documentation professionals he was quite eager to see what recommendations we'd come up with. But then I took it one step further when Monte mentioned to me that he was working on a Getting Started section and would consider a TOC overhaul, I went out on a limb and suggested he solicit feedback from the RevDocs crew. It turned out to be a slender limb. ;) The RevDocs list was started in July 2004, and at that time with v2.5 so close it seemed prudent to wait until that version was released until we made recommendations about the docs. v2.5 was released many months ago, but still no recommendations have been drafted. If there remains an interest in influencing the evolution of the Revolution docs, please bring your suggestions to the table: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RevDocs/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
Are there advantages of this approach compared to Dave C's suggestion of on menuPick pNew, pOld hide group pOld show group pNew end menuPick Now that I realize that there is a second parameter provided, it seems like the better way - but are there any cases where the pOld wouldn't be what might be expected ? I don't think it makes much difference, but the former may be a better example of defensive programming as it accounts for the possibility that some other script (or even the developer during editing) may leave a group visible that isn't the same as pOld. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Richard's approach is more generic and can be used when some tabs show more than a single grp (it is plausible to have some group 'shared' by a few tabs). Furthermore, the pOld parameter is not always passed, although I think this happens only when changing cards (I never bothered to investigate the circumstances). This is why I mentioned using a custom property on menuPick pNew if the showingTab of me is not empty then hide grp (the showingTab of me) show grp pNew -- or: go cd pNew set the showingTab of me to pNew end menuPick Preserving the visible grp name allows me also to sync the tab button correctly with the displayed grp when reopening the stack. This can be required when using multiple card approach. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
i just use... on menuPick pNewTab, pOldTab hide pOldTab show pNewTab end menuPick it's even lazier ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tabs
Yeah yeah yeah, I know im a noob. I created a tab panel and have 3 tabs in it. I want every section to be different obviously which is why I created a tab panel. However my guess is that when I dragged things over it just placed it ontop of the tab panel and not in it. Which is why when I switch tabs it doesn't change. How would I get the buttons and labels and fields that are on the card into this tab panel? Thanks nOObert aka Robert __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
Hello Robert, from one noob to another. :) I'm not sure if what you want can be done using only one card, but it can be easily done using a card for each tab. Basically, you make your tab control act as a background object so it displays on each card and then script the tab control to open to the correct card. Have a look at the video tutorial covering window objects for exact instructions. (About 6 mins deep into the video.) I too would be interested in knowing if it can be accomplished using only one card though. -Doc- On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:18:47 -0800 (PST), Robert Sabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah yeah yeah, I know im a noob. I created a tab panel and have 3 tabs in it. I want every section to be different obviously which is why I created a tab panel. However my guess is that when I dragged things over it just placed it ontop of the tab panel and not in it. Which is why when I switch tabs it doesn't change. How would I get the buttons and labels and fields that are on the card into this tab panel? Thanks nOObert aka Robert __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
From a long-time noob: You can do it using a single card. You can then selectively hide/show the objects per tab pane using a mouseUp handler for the tabbed panel in which you check for the selectedText of the tab button. From there, you can use either case statements or the if-then construct to display/hide the appropriate panel stuff. Something along the lines of: on mouseUp -- of the tabbed button set if the selectedText of me is Tab1 then --checks for active tab hide image|field myImageName|myFieldName --hides unwanted stuff show image|field myImageName|myFieldName --shows wanted stuff end if --... repeat until you've checked for all tabs end mouseUp At least, that's how I think I've done it in the past @;-) HTH, Judy On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, docmann wrote: Hello Robert, from one noob to another. :) I'm not sure if what you want can be done using only one card, but it can be easily done using a card for each tab. Basically, you make your tab control act as a background object so it displays on each card and then script the tab control to open to the correct card. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
From a long-time noob: You can do it using a single card. You can then selectively hide/show the objects per tab pane using a mouseUp handler for the tabbed panel in which you check for the selectedText of the tab button. From there, you can use either case statements or the if-then construct to display/hide the appropriate panel stuff. Something along the lines of: on mouseUp -- of the tabbed button set if the selectedText of me is Tab1 then --checks for active tab hide image|field myImageName|myFieldName --hides unwanted stuff show image|field myImageName|myFieldName --shows wanted stuff end if --... repeat until you've checked for all tabs end mouseUp At least, that's how I think I've done it in the past @;-) HTH, Judy It is usually preferable to group all items associated with each tab, so when switching tabs, you just hide one group and show another. In other words, the script sample from Judy above is reduced to a single hide/show pair for each tab. When there is a larger number of objects and/or special handling is required when showing, it is indeed better to use multiple cards as suggested in another post, with special handling tucked into preopencard handler, for example. Tab button should be a single-object group with background behavior. A small correction for Judy: the handler should be menuPick not mouseUp. And menuPick gets the name of the selected tab as the parameter so no need to call the selectedText of me. On the other hand, it is usually convenient to track the currently showing tab using a custom property of the tab button. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
Yes, Robert. I thought about groups after sending it off. But mouseUp seems to work for me. Should it not? But thanks for the suggestion. I'll try to incorporate it into my mental model of how things *should* be done ;-) Judy On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Robert Brenstein wrote: A small correction for Judy: the handler should be menuPick not mouseUp. And menuPick gets the name of the selected tab as the parameter so no need to call the selectedText of me. On the other hand, it is usually convenient to track the currently showing tab using a custom property of the tab button. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
You could also use the menuPick handler on menuPick m if m=Tab1 then hide group tab2 show group tab1 else if m=Tab2 then hide group tab1 show group tab2 end if end menuPick - Original Message - From: Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: docmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Tabs on mouseUp -- of the tabbed button set if the selectedText of me is Tab1 then --checks for active tab hide image|field myImageName|myFieldName --hides unwanted stuff show image|field myImageName|myFieldName --shows wanted stuff end if --... repeat until you've checked for all tabs end mouseUp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
As an alternative to using if-then, I like to use a case statement like the following, assuming everything for each tab is in its own group: on menuPick tabSelected switch (tabSelected) case Tab 1 show group Tab 1 hide group Tab 2 hide group Tab 3 break case Tab 2 hide group Tab 1 show group Tab 2 hide group Tab 3 break case Tab 3 hide group Tab 1 hide group Tab 2 show group Tab 3 break end switch end menuPick That's my two kopeks. - James On Jan 2, 2005, at 6:04 PM, David Kwinter wrote: You could also use the menuPick handler on menuPick m if m=Tab1 then hide group tab2 show group tab1 else if m=Tab2 then hide group tab1 show group tab2 end if end menuPick - Original Message - From: Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: docmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Tabs on mouseUp -- of the tabbed button set if the selectedText of me is Tab1 then --checks for active tab hide image|field myImageName|myFieldName --hides unwanted stuff show image|field myImageName|myFieldName --shows wanted stuff end if --... repeat until you've checked for all tabs end mouseUp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution When mind control works, you won't know it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
On 2 Jan 2005, at 23:02, Judy Perry wrote: Yes, Robert. I thought about groups after sending it off. But mouseUp seems to work for me. Should it not? mouseUp should work fine, but menuPick has two parameters for tab buttons: the new selection and the old selection. So if you have groups with the same name as the tab buttons, it can be this easy: on menuPick pNew, pOld hide group pOld show group pNew end menuPick Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
James Cass wrote: As an alternative to using if-then, I like to use a case statement like the following, assuming everything for each tab is in its own group: on menuPick tabSelected switch (tabSelected) case Tab 1 show group Tab 1 hide group Tab 2 hide group Tab 3 break case Tab 2 hide group Tab 1 show group Tab 2 hide group Tab 3 break case Tab 3 hide group Tab 1 hide group Tab 2 show group Tab 3 break end switch end menuPick Is it terribly lazy of me to think . on menuPick tabSelected hide group Tab 1 hide group Tab 2 hide group Tab 3 show group tabSelected end menuPick -- Alex. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
Alex - You're a freakin' genius! I love lazy!! ThanksJames On Jan 2, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: James Cass wrote: As an alternative to using if-then, I like to use a case statement like the following, assuming everything for each tab is in its own group: on menuPick tabSelected switch (tabSelected) case Tab 1 show group Tab 1 hide group Tab 2 hide group Tab 3 break case Tab 2 hide group Tab 1 show group Tab 2 hide group Tab 3 break case Tab 3 hide group Tab 1 hide group Tab 2 show group Tab 3 break end switch end menuPick Is it terribly lazy of me to think . on menuPick tabSelected hide group Tab 1 hide group Tab 2 hide group Tab 3 show group tabSelected end menuPick -- Alex. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm surprised that nobody else has come up with this solution to the problem of showing/hiding groups yet... # in the script of the tabbed button on menuPick ChosenOne repeat for each line LL of me set the visible of group LL to (LL = ChosenOne) end repeat end menuPick Simple. Easy. Quick. Automatically accomodates any number of tabs. What else could a body ask for? Just one more line: on menuPick ChosenOne lock screen - to postpone redraw until the changes are completed repeat for each line LL of me set the visible of group LL to (LL = ChosenOne) end repeat end menuPick That's how I do it in WebMerge. There are about 200 controls spread across four groups, and I found it easier to address them all on one card rather than having to specify the card for each control in the scripts that deal with them. Tip: If you make at least one field and one button in each group, dragging a control with the pointer tool while holding down the Alt key (Win) or Option key (Mac) will clone the control within the group. This way you can add new controls easily without having to turn on the editBackground mode. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
Richard Gaskin wrote: Simple. Easy. Quick. Automatically accomodates any number of tabs. What else could a body ask for? Just one more line: on menuPick ChosenOne lock screen - to postpone redraw until the changes are completed repeat for each line LL of me set the visible of group LL to (LL = ChosenOne) end repeat end menuPick That's how I do it in WebMerge. There are about 200 controls spread across four groups, and I found it easier to address them all on one card rather than having to specify the card for each control in the scripts that deal with them. Are there advantages of this approach compared to Dave C's suggestion of on menuPick pNew, pOld hide group pOld show group pNew end menuPick Now that I realize that there is a second parameter provided, it seems like the better way - but are there any cases where the pOld wouldn't be what might be expected ? -- Alex. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
Alex Tweedly wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: Simple. Easy. Quick. Automatically accomodates any number of tabs. What else could a body ask for? Just one more line: on menuPick ChosenOne lock screen - to postpone redraw until the changes are completed repeat for each line LL of me set the visible of group LL to (LL = ChosenOne) end repeat end menuPick That's how I do it in WebMerge. There are about 200 controls spread across four groups, and I found it easier to address them all on one card rather than having to specify the card for each control in the scripts that deal with them. Are there advantages of this approach compared to Dave C's suggestion of on menuPick pNew, pOld hide group pOld show group pNew end menuPick Now that I realize that there is a second parameter provided, it seems like the better way - but are there any cases where the pOld wouldn't be what might be expected ? I don't think it makes much difference, but the former may be a better example of defensive programming as it accounts for the possibility that some other script (or even the developer during editing) may leave a group visible that isn't the same as pOld. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs
Ahhh! Thanks! Judy On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Dave Cragg wrote: On 2 Jan 2005, at 23:02, Judy Perry wrote: Yes, Robert. I thought about groups after sending it off. But mouseUp seems to work for me. Should it not? mouseUp should work fine, but menuPick has two parameters for tab buttons: the new selection and the old selection. So if you have groups with the same name as the tab buttons, it can be this easy: on menuPick pNew, pOld hide group pOld show group pNew end menuPick ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tabs navigation Script for windows!
Hi everyone, Hope you had the great monday I had! So here's ma fonkee email for nofemba 2004! Because Im in a great mood, I've restored all my links on Monsieurx and here's my gracious contribution to help out the poor of us windoze boxes users, work smooth and smooth as we usually like to... If anyone can point me out to the mac and linux way of things, shortcut wise regarding these keys, I'd really appreciate it for an improved tip... And there's a Nitrous plugin coming to exploit this in all its variations too! This weekend probably... Why this script? In moft windows, control-Tab (and control-Shift-tab) allow you to navigate across different tabs in a tab pane in any application - except, you guessed it, RunRev! Control-Tab hides the palettes while on the mac control-alt-tab does - funny too, the tools menu hints at control-t which doesn't always work! This is already is a bugzilla suggestion. Relax! So pending N. Dayakar's email, and RunRev's network upgrade, my impatience and fortuite skills, I told myself this should be trivial right? well, it wasn't rawkeyup... it wasn't set the selectedline of btn thetabs , it wasn't set the hilitedline (or text) of btn thebats (for the trivia, it wont work either, it's for fields only)... The right command was select line 2 of btn thetabs in a rawkeydown! Newbies, behold, even an expert tries it all! Scripting an english language like conversation with the computer would imply a minimum of english language intelligence right? Go figure... Rant? No, a long awaited XOS feature I want and getting closer each day! But I go for the tabs right now... Here's your script N! You'll have to adapt it to your button's name naturally... It was implemented as is and tested into the new ControlsBrowser plugin soon available at MonsieurX.com (some irrelevant parts of the script were removed to prevent confusion). Sweet scripting dreams Xavier http://monsieurx.com RunRev Nitrous Plugins -- The following script should be inserted into a card script (first in the line of events so that a card tabbed button will respond, If you have multiple tabs, look at the focus functions in the revdocs to adapt it... This script will interfere with the control-tab and control-shift-tab commands to hide the palettes in the RunRev IDE. (see the environment function in the revdocs if that causes a brain hemoragy.) on rawkeydown k -- if the environment is not development -- if the platform is win32 if k is 65289 then get Controls if the hilitedtext of fld it is empty then exit rawkeydown get View put the selectedtext of btn it into thisline put btn it into views put lineoffset(thisline,views) into thisline if the shiftkey is down then if thisline = 1 then get the number of lines in views else get thisline - 1 end if else if thisline = the number of lines in views then get 1 else get thisline + 1 end if end if select line it of btn it else pass rawkeydown end if end rawkeydown ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs navigation Script for windows!
--- MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] well, it wasn't rawkeyup... it wasn't set the selectedline of btn thetabs , it wasn't set the hilitedline (or text) of btn thebats (for the trivia, it wont work either, it's for fields only)... The right command was select line 2 of btn thetabs in a rawkeydown! Newbies, behold, even an expert tries it all! How about using the 'menuHistory' property ? -- set the menuHistory of btn theTabs to xxx -- Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs navigation Script for windows!
X, what does get Controls do? -Chipp MisterX wrote: get Controls -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.3 - Release Date: 11/26/2004 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tabs navigation Script for windows!
On Tue, November 30, 2004 2:56 am, MisterX said: [...] So pending N. Dayakar's email, and RunRev's network upgrade, my impatience and fortuite skills, I told myself this should be trivial right? well, it wasn't rawkeyup... it wasn't set the selectedline of btn thetabs , it wasn't set the hilitedline (or text) of btn thebats (for the trivia, it wont work either, it's for fields only)... The right command was select line 2 of btn thetabs in a rawkeydown! Newbies, behold, even an expert tries it all! [...] Hi Xavier, Thank you very much for script you have provided. Delighted to get the response from the experts. Regards, Dayakar N ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
can you make columns with tabs?
can you make columns with tabs? thanks, Erik Hansen = [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: can you make columns with tabs?
yes! Look at the tabstops property... -=- Xavier Bury Clearstream Services TNS NT LAN Server ext 36465 Voice: +352 4656 43 6465 Fax: +352 4656 493 6465 Erik Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22.11.2004 08:33 Please respond to erik; Please respond to How to use Revolution To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Xavier Bury/CLEARSTREAM/GDB) Subject:can you make columns with tabs? . can you make columns with tabs? thanks, Erik Hansen = [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
