Message in (current) default theme
Hi, When it was 1st created the Business Time theme (current default theme) used a time out for the message popup. After some time we decided that this was not convenient because in certain occasions the message could not be read. Then we replaced the message popup with time out by a popup which needs to be clicked on to disappear. But now that I use it in real life I find it boring, because any time you create or edit something you need to validate the message. So I propose to change this behaviour and to have something like we had before : it shows somewhere but you don't need to validate. Of course using the Dropping Crumb theme as default theme is another way, but it would not fix the current behavior of the Business Time theme. What do you think? Jacques
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Thanks for the reminder Erwan! Jacques From: "Erwan de FERRIERES" Le 22/11/2009 23:24, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Hi Erwan, Finally yes, why not opening a sub-task under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 ? At least it will be recorded... Hi Jacques, this issue you created is what I meant, so maybe it's not necessary to create a new one ! https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3042 Cheers, -- Erwan
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Le 22/11/2009 23:24, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : Hi Erwan, Finally yes, why not opening a sub-task under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 ? At least it will be recorded... Hi Jacques, this issue you created is what I meant, so maybe it's not necessary to create a new one ! https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3042 Cheers, -- Erwan
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Hi Erwan, Finally yes, why not opening a sub-task under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 ? At least it will be recorded... Jacques From: "Jacques Le Roux" Thanks Erwan, I'd't not say that everyone is zooming out, for the moment very few persons seems concerned... So maybe we should better ask if people use Bizness Time mostly zoomed out ? Jacques From: "Erwan de FERRIERES" if everyone is zooming out the bizness theme, maybe we should thinking about reducing the font/etc... sizes. Keeping the bizness time provide a more modern interface than the flat grey, and may be more attractive to new users. But I'm also part of the ones who switch to bluelight or flatgrey... Le 12/10/2009 17:59, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : ../.. -- Erwan
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Hi Pierre, Did you create a Jira under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 for this ? Thanks Jacques From: "Pierre Smits" Currently the search forms position search fields vertically in the second column with labels in the first column. E.g. in SFA-accounts the user can default search on account (party) id and name. In my opinion the search bar should have the labels on the first row and search fields on a second row. Moreover I would like to have the place included in the search form by default and a market segment (which isn't available right now). And by default I would show all accounts (like it is in opportunities. On the profile of an account opportunities are now in the right segment. I would like to see it in a seperate segment spreading accros the entire width of the screen, showing more information, e.g. stage, type, currency, amount, probalility and next step. Plus the functionality to click through and edit. Plus the functionality to create a new opportunity from that placeholder. Plus the functionality to delete an opportunity. Hopefully this elaborates a bit. 2009/10/14 Jacques Le Roux Hi Pierre, Inline... From: "Pierre Smits" But even there some improvements can be made. E.g. in SFA-accounts the search fields could be spread more horizontally than it is now. And I guess that can be said for more layouts. Could you explain more this last point, I don't get it Thanks Jacquees Regards, Pierre 2009/10/12 Jacques Le Roux Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
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t;>>> I will continue to give feedback as long as you listen. >>>> And again, thanks for your efforts. >>>> Ruth >>> >>> Keep it coming Ruth. I appreciate you taking the time. >>> >>>>> I apologize for the very long-winded email, but I just wanted to give >>>>> the community some insight into my thought process and design >>>>> methodologies. >>>>> I hope this helps the discussion. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Ryan Foster >>>>> HotWax Media >>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>> ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tim: >>>>>> I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor >>>>>> under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here. >>>>>> >>>>>> First question I have for you is what "guidelines" are you referring >>>>>> to? >>>>>> >>>>>> Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use >>>>>> OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it >>>>>> should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change >>>>>> themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just >>>>>> learning how the applications work. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thirdly, please don't throw around "its easy" to do something without >>>>>> siting references. You insult my intelligence and every other reader on >>>>>> this >>>>>> list by implying that anything concerning recent releases of OFBiz is >>>>>> "easy". >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Ruth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast >>>>>> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com >>>>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: >>>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the >>>>>>> entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to be >>>>>>> done. >>>>>>> The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's look >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from someone who >>>>>>> does >>>>>>> this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it comes to the way that >>>>>>> people react to it (be clear, this does not talk to using it on a day >>>>>>> to day >>>>>>> basis). We've been very successful in building themes off of Bizzness >>>>>>> Time >>>>>>> - please are reacting in a really positive way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime >>>>>>> theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a >>>>>>> reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift. >>>>>>> I'm not >>>>>>> talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who has issues >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your own setup - don't >>>>>>> doom >>>>>>> the rest of us to have to go apply first impressions with that really >>>>>>> lame >>>>>>> setup. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we >>>>>>> just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s >>>>>>> instead of letting it sit stagnant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>>> -- >>>>&
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veryone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com >> Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com <http://Antwebsystems.com>: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
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2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" <mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com>> Sure the Business theme looks good but..... The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com <http://Antwebsystems.com>: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
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ion I have for you is what "guidelines" are you referring to? Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just learning how the applications work. Thirdly, please don't throw around "its easy" to do something without siting references. You insult my intelligence and every other reader on this list by implying that anything concerning recent releases of OFBiz is "easy". Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are reacting in a really positive way. There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could
Re: Default theme ?
Currently the search forms position search fields vertically in the second column with labels in the first column. E.g. in SFA-accounts the user can default search on account (party) id and name. In my opinion the search bar should have the labels on the first row and search fields on a second row. Moreover I would like to have the place included in the search form by default and a market segment (which isn't available right now). And by default I would show all accounts (like it is in opportunities. On the profile of an account opportunities are now in the right segment. I would like to see it in a seperate segment spreading accros the entire width of the screen, showing more information, e.g. stage, type, currency, amount, probalility and next step. Plus the functionality to click through and edit. Plus the functionality to create a new opportunity from that placeholder. Plus the functionality to delete an opportunity. Hopefully this elaborates a bit. 2009/10/14 Jacques Le Roux > Hi Pierre, > > Inline... > > From: "Pierre Smits" > >> But even there some improvements >> can be made. E.g. in SFA-accounts the search fields could be spread more >> horizontally than it is now. And I guess that can be said for more >> layouts. >> > > Could you explain more this last point, I don't get it > > Thanks > > Jacquees > > > >> >> Regards, >> >> Pierre >> >> >> 2009/10/12 Jacques Le Roux >> >> Hi, >>> >>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default >>> theme. >>> >>> Do you use it? >>> Do you change for another theme ? >>> Which one fo you prefer? >>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> >> >
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.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are reacting in a really positive way. There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com >> Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com <http://Antwebsystems.com>: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
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me problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" <mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com>> Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com <http://Antwebsystems.com>: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
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Thanks Scott - that is what we are seeing as well. And for everyone else - we will be making some mods to the BizznessTime theme that will address the issues that have been reported. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 14, 2009, at 7:56 AM, Scott. wrote: Hello All, I thought I’d give my 2 cents worth solely as an end user of ofbiz. The theme I now use the most is the Bizness time theme. Even though it’s fairly new, it seems so much more familiar to me than the other two. It looks like the “modern” web. The business areas are very easy to find as are their respective categories. It’s also been less confusing to new people who are seeing it for the first time. So from my “user” prospective, I appreciate all the hard work that you guys put in to ofbiz and the fact that it has improved leaps and bounds over the past year and I sincerely hope that we continue to move forward with improvements and not just fall back on what is safe. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Default-theme-tp197816p252576.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
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Hello All, I thought I’d give my 2 cents worth solely as an end user of ofbiz. The theme I now use the most is the Bizness time theme. Even though it’s fairly new, it seems so much more familiar to me than the other two. It looks like the “modern” web. The business areas are very easy to find as are their respective categories. It’s also been less confusing to new people who are seeing it for the first time. So from my “user” prospective, I appreciate all the hard work that you guys put in to ofbiz and the fact that it has improved leaps and bounds over the past year and I sincerely hope that we continue to move forward with improvements and not just fall back on what is safe. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Default-theme-tp197816p252576.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Hi Pierre, Inline... From: "Pierre Smits" But even there some improvements can be made. E.g. in SFA-accounts the search fields could be spread more horizontally than it is now. And I guess that can be said for more layouts. Could you explain more this last point, I don't get it Thanks Jacquees Regards, Pierre 2009/10/12 Jacques Le Roux Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
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Thanks James, Yes, this is already reported here https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2442 Jacques From: "James McGill" On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Jacques Le Roux < jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. It is okay, but the fast disappearing error popup is highly annoying. -- James McGill Able Engineering
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Oops, This was intended to user ML From: "Jacques Le Roux" To: "Bruno Busco" Ha, sorry Adrian, Actually I was the 1st to complain about what is now Flat Grey. But apart some rants I did not help much :/ And now most of the time I prefer it, because I find it quicker and especially I don't like Bizness Theme because of this issue https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2308 Jacques From: "Bruno Busco" Jacques, to be correct I only helped Adrian Crum to test and further develop the Visual Theme feature. But the original idea and design was made by him. -Bruno 2009/10/12 Jacques Le Roux : Hi Ruth, Yes I already reported that please see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 Maybe it's better to inform you that this theme was initially designed by Erik Schuessler from BrainFood and then implemented by Ryan Foster (mostly?) at HotWax Media. BTW this information may be found at the bottom right of http://ofbiz.apache.org/ So, for now, we mostly rely on their skills for this kind of things, even if everybody helps here and there. This was done in order to have a more attractive UI for release 9.04. And we are all (at least I) thankful for that! This theme was also applied to the wiki, there were issue also in Confluence, but we consider now that they are all resolved (you may find issues in Jira by looking for Confluence for OFBiz project, check comments) The theme feature on both sides (back and front ends) was introduced by Bruno Busco and enhanced by the team since then. Unfortunatley a such effort was no done for the eCommerce, only Bruno gave a theme wich is not complete yet. I think the meain reason is that most of the time, companies with enough means prefer to build their own design. And nobody has contributed a theme because, apart small companies which keep the original design and adapt it, most of the time the design is totally new and unique. Thanks for you help Jacques From: "Ruth Hoffman" Hi Jacques: Another issue with the default theme: Error messages are only displayed for a few seconds and then they disappear. For example, I just tried to add a file to the "GZ-NEWS-1MO" product using the Catalog Manager and I got an error which was displayed for about 3 seconds. Not even enough time to read the content of the error message. I know I can go to the log files and review error messages, but there doesn't seem to be much point in displaying error messages within the Catalog Manager if the user can't read them as they are using the application. Regards, Ruth Jacques Le Roux wrote: Good, thank you Chris, Other persons ? Jacques From: "Chris Snow" I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it much... Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: "Chris Snow" Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable. Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light. Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ? Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community decision regarding this point too... Thanks Jacques Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
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--- Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are reacting in a really positive way. There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end- users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com>> Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Jacques Le Roux < jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default > theme. > It is okay, but the fast disappearing error popup is highly annoying. -- James McGill Able Engineering
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. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime >>>>>>>> theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a >>>>>>>> reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a >>>>>>>> facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and >>>>>>>> everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the >>>>>>>> old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to >>>>>>>> go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we >>>>>>>> just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early >>>>>>>> 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Tim: >>>>>>>>> If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we >>>>>>>>> are way off the mark. The backend applications where the >>>>>>>>> BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who >>>>>>>>> may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. >>>>>>>>> Lets not forget who our audience is here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt >>>>>>>>> that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible >>>>>>>>> theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation >>>>>>>>> covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and >>>>>>>>> post my findings. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast >>>>>>>>> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com >>>>>>>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: >>>>>>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>>>>> We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because >>>>>>>>>> it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / >>>>>>>>>> look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it >>>>>>>>>> back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems >>>>>>>>>> once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something >>>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it >>>>>>>>>> isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the >>>>>>>>>> BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - >>>>>>>>>> this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old >>>>>>>>>> (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the >>>>>>>>>> beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any >>>>>>>>>> changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty >>>>>>>>>> easy with this setup. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this >>>>>>>>>> is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave >>>>>>>>>> this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own >>>>>>>>>> installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales >>>>>>>>>> tool >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hans, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So far, >>>>>>>>>>> * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to >>>>>>>>>>> zoom out. >>>>>>>>>>> * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and >>>>>>>>>>> those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : >>>>>>>>>>> create a subtask at >>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure >>>>>>>>>>> it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the >>>>>>>>>>> size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat >>>>>>>>>>> Grey" as default >>>>>>>>>>> theme. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What do you people think ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>> PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, >>>>>>>>>>> thanks! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Hans Bakker" >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sure the Business theme looks good but. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually >>>>>>>>>>>> everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> characters, at >>>>>>>>>>>> least 5 fit in >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is >>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps better. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Hans >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time >>>>>>>>>>>>> as default theme. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you use it? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you change for another theme ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one fo you prefer? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Antwebsystems.com <http://Antwebsystems.com>: Quality OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>> services for competitive rates >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >> -- >> BJ Freeman >> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation >> http://bjfreeman.elance.com >> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro >> >> Systems Integrator. >> > -- BJ Freeman http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation http://bjfreeman.elance.com http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro Systems Integrator.
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eally what needs to be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are reacting in a really positive way. There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com>> Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com <http://Antwebsystems.com>: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates -- BJ Freeman http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation http://bjfreeman.elance.com http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro Systems Integrator. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
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and, I don't provide OFBiz development, >>> deployment or integration services. I am an advocate for end-users. >>> IMO, if we don't get more end-users looking at OFBiz, you might as >>> well kiss this project good-bye. >> We can agree on that front for sure. I see this from an adoption >> standpoint - and that old 1990's theme ain't getting anyone off the mat >> to use OFBiz - I can promise you that. >> >>> Its all about mindshare, and while OFBiz has been good to you and >>> HotWax, your attitude is very similar to the "proprietary" mindset of >>> some software vendors that shall remain unnamed. >>> >>> Please take off your service provider hat and look at all this from a >>> potential new end-user. >> Please put on your I'll dive in and fix these minor issues - instead of >> sitting back and being a purist. That's what we do and I hope to see >> you do the same. What you're doing on the end user spectrum will >> undoubtedly be a big help, but just sitting back or rolling back doesn't >> get the issues resolved. Thanks for submitting bugs - they're all over >> the system and we're in there fixing them daily >> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ruth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast >>>>> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com >>>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: >>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>> We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the >>>>>> entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to >>>>>> be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit >>>>>> today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd >>>>>> say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off >>>>>> when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this >>>>>> does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very >>>>>> successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are >>>>>> reacting in a really positive way. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime >>>>>> theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a >>>>>> reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a >>>>>> facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and >>>>>> everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the >>>>>> old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to >>>>>> go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we >>>>>> just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early >>>>>> 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ruppert >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>>> HotWax Media >>>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>>> >>>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Tim: >>>>>>> If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we >>>>>>> are way off the mark. The backend applications where the >>>>>>> BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who >>>>>>> may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. >>>>>>> Lets not forget who our audience is here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt >>>>>>> that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible >>>>>>> theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation >>>>>
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x27;ll dive in and fix these minor issues - instead of > sitting back and being a purist. That's what we do and I hope to see > you do the same. What you're doing on the end user spectrum will > undoubtedly be a big help, but just sitting back or rolling back doesn't > get the issues resolved. Thanks for submitting bugs - they're all over > the system and we're in there fixing them daily > >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Ruth >>>> >>>> >>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast >>>> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com >>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: >>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>> We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the >>>>> entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to >>>>> be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit >>>>> today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd >>>>> say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off >>>>> when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this >>>>> does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very >>>>> successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are >>>>> reacting in a really positive way. >>>>> >>>>> There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime >>>>> theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a >>>>> reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a >>>>> facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and >>>>> everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the >>>>> old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to >>>>> go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. >>>>> >>>>> As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we >>>>> just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early >>>>> 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ruppert >>>>> -- >>>>> Tim Ruppert >>>>> HotWax Media >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>>> >>>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Tim: >>>>>> If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we >>>>>> are way off the mark. The backend applications where the >>>>>> BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who >>>>>> may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. >>>>>> Lets not forget who our audience is here. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt >>>>>> that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible >>>>>> theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. >>>>>> >>>>>> On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation >>>>>> covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and >>>>>> post my findings. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Ruth >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast >>>>>> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com >>>>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: >>>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>>>>>> We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because >>>>>>> it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / >>>>>>> look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it >>>>>>> back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems >>>>>>> once everyone gets over the initial sho
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pler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com >> Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com <http://Antwebsystems.com>: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
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e web developers you reference here. You obviously see all this from a service provider's point of view and not an end-user. Please understand, I don't provide OFBiz development, deployment or integration services. I am an advocate for end-users. IMO, if we don't get more end-users looking at OFBiz, you might as well kiss this project good-bye. Its all about mindshare, and while OFBiz has been good to you and HotWax, your attitude is very similar to the "proprietary" mindset of some software vendors that shall remain unnamed. Please take off your service provider hat and look at all this from a potential new end-user. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are reacting in a really positive way. There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we cou
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row around "its easy" to do something without siting references. You insult my intelligence and every other reader on this list by implying that anything concerning recent releases of OFBiz is "easy". Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are reacting in a really positive way. There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com >> Sure the Business theme looks good but. The ge
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it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com >> Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com <http://Antwebsystems.com>: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
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OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" <mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com>> Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com <http://Antwebsystems.com>: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
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Thank you, Christian for this whisper in the storm. ;-) -Bruno 2009/10/13 Christian Geisert : > Bruno Busco schrieb: > > [..] > >> I do not see many users using bluelight but I do not see anybody >> expressing any defect of it. > > Switching to the Bluelight theme is the first thing I do ;-) > > Christian >
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Bruno Busco schrieb: [..] I do not see many users using bluelight but I do not see anybody expressing any defect of it. Switching to the Bluelight theme is the first thing I do ;-) Christian
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We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are reacting in a really positive way. There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com >> Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you pref
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Hi Bruno: A while back I used the Bluelight theme and I would have to agree with you, from the point of view of screen usage, it does a better job with space management. The biggest issue with this theme for me was figuring out where the application links were (hidden somewhere - I don't remember now where that was.) Anyhow, for a new end-user without Webtools experience, this could be a show stopper. Regards, Ruth Bruno Busco wrote: I normally use the Bluelight theme. In this theme what I did try to achieve was a better use of the screen space and, actually, if you compare to FlatGrey the information are displayed higher in the screen so more information are shown with no scrolling. The Login name, default organizzation, Visual theme selection etc. are displayed on a single line resulting in a shorter header. The Application Tab is not shown and a drop down menu can be used to select it. The selected application name, the selected tab and the screen name are all shown on a single line (the one with the blue/white smoothed corner bar) I plan to add a class style to the H1 page titles so that the bluelight theme can hide it having even more room available. I do not see many users using bluelight but I do not see anybody expressing any defect of it. Any hint to improve it is well appreciated. -Bruno 2009/10/13 Jacques Le Roux : Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
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Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" <mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com>> Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com <http://Antwebsystems.com>: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
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Jacques, to be correct I only helped Adrian Crum to test and further develop the Visual Theme feature. But the original idea and design was made by him. -Bruno 2009/10/12 Jacques Le Roux : > Hi Ruth, > > Yes I already reported that please see > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 > > Maybe it's better to inform you that this theme was initially designed by > Erik Schuessler from BrainFood and then implemented by > Ryan Foster (mostly?) at HotWax Media. BTW this information may be found at > the bottom right of http://ofbiz.apache.org/ > So, for now, we mostly rely on their skills for this kind of things, even if > everybody helps here and there. This was done in order > to have a more attractive UI for release 9.04. And we are all (at least I) > thankful for that! > > This theme was also applied to the wiki, there were issue also in > Confluence, but we consider now that they are all resolved (you > may find issues in Jira by looking for Confluence for OFBiz project, check > comments) > > The theme feature on both sides (back and front ends) was introduced by > Bruno Busco and enhanced by the team since then. > > Unfortunatley a such effort was no done for the eCommerce, only Bruno gave a > theme wich is not complete yet. I think the meain > reason is that most of the time, companies with enough means prefer to build > their own design. And nobody has contributed a theme > because, apart small companies which keep the original design and adapt it, > most of the time the design is totally new and unique. > > Thanks for you help > > Jacques > > From: "Ruth Hoffman" >> >> Hi Jacques: >> Another issue with the default theme: >> Error messages are only displayed for a few seconds and then they >> disappear. For example, I just tried to add a file to the >> "GZ-NEWS-1MO" product using the Catalog Manager and I got an error which >> was displayed for about 3 seconds. Not even enough time >> to read the content of the error message. I know I can go to the log files >> and review error messages, but there doesn't seem to be >> much point in displaying error messages within the Catalog Manager if the >> user can't read them as they are using the application. >> >> Regards, >> Ruth >> >> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> >>> Good, thank you Chris, >>> >>> Other persons ? >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "Chris Snow" >>>> >>>> I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it >>>> much... >>>> >>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: "Chris Snow" >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with >>>>>> Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more >>>>>> usable. >>>>>> >>>>> Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Jacques: >>>>>>> Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While >>>>>>> the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other >>>>>>> themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At >>>>>>> times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. >>>>> >>>>> Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness >>>>> Time >>>>> Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push >>>>> myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light. >>>>> >>>>> Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ? >>>>> >>>>>>> Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product >>>>>>> listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is >>>>>>> a result of a new theme or some other change. >>>>> >>>>> Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's >>>>> not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a >>>>> community decision regarding this point too... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Ruth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast >>>>>>> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com >>>>>>> Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: >>>>>>> http://www.myofbiz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as >>>>>>>> default theme. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you use it? >>>>>>>> Do you change for another theme ? >>>>>>>> Which one fo you prefer? >>>>>>>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >
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I normally use the Bluelight theme. In this theme what I did try to achieve was a better use of the screen space and, actually, if you compare to FlatGrey the information are displayed higher in the screen so more information are shown with no scrolling. The Login name, default organizzation, Visual theme selection etc. are displayed on a single line resulting in a shorter header. The Application Tab is not shown and a drop down menu can be used to select it. The selected application name, the selected tab and the screen name are all shown on a single line (the one with the blue/white smoothed corner bar) I plan to add a class style to the H1 page titles so that the bluelight theme can hide it having even more room available. I do not see many users using bluelight but I do not see anybody expressing any defect of it. Any hint to improve it is well appreciated. -Bruno 2009/10/13 Jacques Le Roux : > Hi Hans, > > So far, > * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. > * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those > reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) > > I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask > at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 > > In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough > for doing the same thing as a zoom out > Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of > everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default > theme. > > What do you people think ? > > Jacques > PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! > > From: "Hans Bakker" >> >> Sure the Business theme looks good but. >> >> The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually >> everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at >> least 5 fit in >> >> So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. >> >> Regards, >> Hans >> >> On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default >>> theme. >>> >>> Do you use it? >>> Do you change for another theme ? >>> Which one fo you prefer? >>> Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jacques >>> >> -- >> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates >> > > >
Re: Default theme ?
We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Jacques, I don't like the Bizness Time as a default. It uses to much real estate (pixel-wise) for menu items. It is huge on a 1024x768 screen. Even with my second monitor set to 1280x1024 it looks like it wastes space. I always revert to flatgray as it gives me more data on the screen. It seems to me that the layout is more logic to me. But even there some improvements can be made. E.g. in SFA-accounts the search fields could be spread more horizontally than it is now. And I guess that can be said for more layouts. Regards, Pierre 2009/10/12 Jacques Le Roux > Hi, > > I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default > theme. > > Do you use it? > Do you change for another theme ? > Which one fo you prefer? > Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? > > Thanks > > Jacques > >
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: "Hans Bakker" Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Jens, Could you please open a Jira sub-task under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 Simply report what you described below and if possible post an URL for each issue you saw Also report the OS you used, FF is not rendered exactly the same way under Windows or Linux Thanks Jacques From: "Jens Oechsler" Hi Jacques. When I open Accounting Manager in Bizznesstime theme, and choose Finacial Account, the table List Bank Account appears right of the tab menubar instead of below. It only happens on the Main tab not on Find Finacial Account. If I go to AP, the Main page is very odd looking with headings in wrong places compared to Bluelight. This is with Firefox. Regards Jens
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Jacques. When I open Accounting Manager in Bizznesstime theme, and choose Finacial Account, the table List Bank Account appears right of the tab menubar instead of below. It only happens on the Main tab not on Find Finacial Account. If I go to AP, the Main page is very odd looking with headings in wrong places compared to Bluelight. This is with Firefox. Regards Jens
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Ruth, Yes I already reported that please see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 Maybe it's better to inform you that this theme was initially designed by Erik Schuessler from BrainFood and then implemented by Ryan Foster (mostly?) at HotWax Media. BTW this information may be found at the bottom right of http://ofbiz.apache.org/ So, for now, we mostly rely on their skills for this kind of things, even if everybody helps here and there. This was done in order to have a more attractive UI for release 9.04. And we are all (at least I) thankful for that! This theme was also applied to the wiki, there were issue also in Confluence, but we consider now that they are all resolved (you may find issues in Jira by looking for Confluence for OFBiz project, check comments) The theme feature on both sides (back and front ends) was introduced by Bruno Busco and enhanced by the team since then. Unfortunatley a such effort was no done for the eCommerce, only Bruno gave a theme wich is not complete yet. I think the meain reason is that most of the time, companies with enough means prefer to build their own design. And nobody has contributed a theme because, apart small companies which keep the original design and adapt it, most of the time the design is totally new and unique. Thanks for you help Jacques From: "Ruth Hoffman" Hi Jacques: Another issue with the default theme: Error messages are only displayed for a few seconds and then they disappear. For example, I just tried to add a file to the "GZ-NEWS-1MO" product using the Catalog Manager and I got an error which was displayed for about 3 seconds. Not even enough time to read the content of the error message. I know I can go to the log files and review error messages, but there doesn't seem to be much point in displaying error messages within the Catalog Manager if the user can't read them as they are using the application. Regards, Ruth Jacques Le Roux wrote: Good, thank you Chris, Other persons ? Jacques From: "Chris Snow" I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it much... Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: "Chris Snow" Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable. Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light. Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ? Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community decision regarding this point too... Thanks Jacques Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Jacques: Another issue with the default theme: Error messages are only displayed for a few seconds and then they disappear. For example, I just tried to add a file to the "GZ-NEWS-1MO" product using the Catalog Manager and I got an error which was displayed for about 3 seconds. Not even enough time to read the content of the error message. I know I can go to the log files and review error messages, but there doesn't seem to be much point in displaying error messages within the Catalog Manager if the user can't read them as they are using the application. Regards, Ruth Jacques Le Roux wrote: Good, thank you Chris, Other persons ? Jacques From: "Chris Snow" I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it much... Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: "Chris Snow" Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable. Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light. Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ? Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community decision regarding this point too... Thanks Jacques Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Jacques: I just looked at the visual theme graphic/URL on trunk release 823826 so that I could refresh my understanding of the various themes: [ https://localhost:8443/catalog/control/LookupVisualThemes] All my comments are based on this release using Firefox on a MAC: 1) This url [https://localhost:8443/catalog/control/LookupVisualThemes] does not layout correctly. While the graphics show up just fine, the columns aren't working correctly using the default Bizness theme. So, I will report this as an Jira issue later today. 2) Changing the font size helps, however there is a school of thought in the online content world that suggests that the most important content on a web page should be "above the fold", meaning that the user should not be required to scroll down the page to find important information. Lots of extra space between navigation links and form submit buttons is more of a distraction then a help in many cases. Another problem with this theme and zooming (changing the font size) with the browser is that in some cases, content overwrites the table boundary visual borders. Again, forcing the user to scroll to the right or left (assuming they know to do that) while trying to locate important information. 3) A big problem for me with this theme is that the navigation to webtools applications are hidden. The user is required to pull down the "Applications" link and then, close it, which, unless someone already knows what they were doing, is not an obvious action. A better approach, IMHO to this is to use hovering to expose the hidden links. These do not seem to be issues with the "Flat Grey" and original/4.x theme/layout. Regards, Ruth Jacques Le Roux wrote: Good, thank you Chris, Other persons ? Jacques From: "Chris Snow" I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it much... Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: "Chris Snow" Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable. Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light. Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ? Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community decision regarding this point too... Thanks Jacques Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: Default theme ?
Thanks Erwan, I'd't not say that everyone is zooming out, for the moment very few persons seems concerned... So maybe we should better ask if people use Bizness Time mostly zoomed out ? Jacques From: "Erwan de FERRIERES" if everyone is zooming out the bizness theme, maybe we should thinking about reducing the font/etc... sizes. Keeping the bizness time provide a more modern interface than the flat grey, and may be more attractive to new users. But I'm also part of the ones who switch to bluelight or flatgrey... Le 12/10/2009 17:59, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : ../.. -- Erwan
Re: Default theme ?
if everyone is zooming out the bizness theme, maybe we should thinking about reducing the font/etc... sizes. Keeping the bizness time provide a more modern interface than the flat grey, and may be more attractive to new users. But I'm also part of the ones who switch to bluelight or flatgrey... Le 12/10/2009 17:59, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : ../.. -- Erwan
Re: Default theme ?
Good, thank you Chris, Other persons ? Jacques From: "Chris Snow" I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it much... Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: "Chris Snow" Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable. Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light. Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ? Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community decision regarding this point too... Thanks Jacques Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Chris: Not recently. I will give it a try later. Regards, Ruth Chris Snow wrote: Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable. Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: Default theme ?
I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it much... Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: "Chris Snow" Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable. Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light. Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ? Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community decision regarding this point too... Thanks Jacques Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: Default theme ?
From: "Chris Snow" Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable. Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light. Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ? Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community decision regarding this point too... Thanks Jacques Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable. Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the "Flat Grey" theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor & OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Jacques,
I find bizness time theme to be a bit too vertically spread out and the
font is generally too big, so I always switch back to Flat Grey as it is
more condensed.
I find this helps a bit with Bizness time:
From
th, td {
color:#55;
padding:0.25em 0.5em;
}
To
th, td {
color:#55;
padding:0 0.2em;
}
Also, zooming out the browser helps too.
Cheers,
Chris
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
default theme.
Do you use it?
Do you change for another theme ?
Which one fo you prefer?
Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
Thanks
Jacques
Default theme ?
Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: default theme in ecommerce
Never mind, I found it. It is a product store setting. - Original Message - From: "Vince Clark" To: "user" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:42:21 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: default theme in ecommerce How do I change the default ecommerce theme to Multiflex?
default theme in ecommerce
How do I change the default ecommerce theme to Multiflex?
