Re: Struts Books Recommendations
Thanks to whomever emailed last weeks nonsense thread to the Director of the Board of Elections. It made me look like a racist and I was fired this morning. The State is also looking into whether my use of an official email address for that discussion is in violation of state law. You did your work well, you low-life bastard. Signing off Mark On 6/30/05, Thai Dang Vu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) Struts! It's not just for H-1Bs! So, I can get a H1B just by learning Struts and use it decently? :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs
Amen, brother! Like I said when I began this thread...Struts is dead and Java is a C# wannabie. ~mark -Original Message- From: Gregory Seidman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:17 PM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs So I hate to feed the trolls, but... On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 02:35:50PM -0700, Yan Hu wrote: } Look at the job market for the server side now. 3 years ago, .Net took } only 20% of the server side market. Now it is creeping up to 40%. .Net is } better or faster than Java? Nah.. Some .Net zealots otained some } benchmarks on Tiger and .Net1.1 using linPack. Tiger outperformed .Net. } But why is .NET creeping up so fast? VS.net contributes to a great } portion of its success. One of my friends is a NET develepor. I envy his } speed of rolling out (small to medium sized) web applications like they } were egg rolls. Only the market tells what is good nor not. You have } one thousand sound reasons to back up what you claim. If the market says } no, then it is garbage I have never liked IDEs. I have never used an IDE that didn't get in my way more than it helped. VS.NET is no exception. Below I'll give you some reasons why .NET is popular that have nothing to do with the quality, or lack thereof, of VS.NET as an IDE. I recently developed an ASP.NET web app. This involved writing in the following languages: ASP.NET (JSP-ish), C#, CSS, and JavaScript. It was only because I could convince VS.NET to let me edit these files with Vim that I did not tear out all my hair. That said, ASP.NET beats the pants off JSP. I can tell you definitively that ASP.NET's custom web control stuff (both ascx files and just plain class instances) beats hell out of JSP's tag libraries. The EL is not a big enough plus to make up for the difficulty of wrapping functionality in a custom tag. I haven't done anything significant with Struts, but I didn't have any trouble separating model, view, and controller in ASP.NET. In addition, C# is what Java always should have been. Here are a few Java mistakes that are done right in C#: 1. The language and virtual machine are internationally standardized. 2. JavaBeans use a naming convention (get/set methods), rather than first-class, syntactically clear, reflectable properties. (Yes, you find the methods by reflection, but they are properties because of the naming convention, not because the reflection API knows anything about properties.) 3. Namespaces (packages) are hierarchical in name, but not in scope. 4. The source filename must match the (public) class defined in it. 5. The source file must be located in a directory hierarchy that matches the package hierarchy to which it belongs. 6. C/C++ precompiler directives were simply dropped, rather than fixed to be less prone to misuse. 7. Receiving an event requires implementing an interface, with its associated method(s), and calling a method on the event producer to register the handler; producing an event requires writing add and remove handler methods, as well as writing a loop to invoke the appropriate method on each registered handler. What makes this wrong can be seen by comparing it to the C# event handling mechanism: a delegate type (essentially an OO function pointer, which includes the object reference almost exactly like Obj-C's selectors) is declared to handle a particular event, an event is declared in the producer class of the delegate type, a method with the appropriate signature can be registered with the event using += and unregistered using -=, and the handlers are invoked by the producer class by calling the event like a method. Oh, yeah, and a class's events are available through the reflection API. 8. Special casing value types (e.g. int, char, etc.), rather than either making everything a proper object (like SmallTalk) or making it possible for developers to define value types. I'll admit that Java has gotten better with the release of 1.5, and about damn time. It has generics, which are not yet available in C# (currently in beta). It also has anonymous classes, which are primarily valuable for event handling. Java now has the enhanced for loop (C#'s foreach), automatic un-/boxing (C# has it), and typesafe enums (C# has it). There is also the metadata facility, which is similar to C#'s attributes. In some ways, Java has caught up with C# (though I'm not likely to forgive Sun for the unpleasantness that is the JavaBean convention). Of course, C# is moving forward as well. (See http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2004/04/05/csharpwhidbeypt1.html and http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2004/04/12/csharpwhidbeypt2.html for a rundown of its coming features.) It's getting generics. It's also getting anonymous methods (a lot like anonymous classes, and intended for the same sort of use, i.e. event handling, but see mistake #7 above). It's also getting an
RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs
u missed the obvious innuendo and half-assed attempt at humor -Original Message- From: Larry Meadors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:32 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs IMO, the IDE bigots are engaged in some sort of Freudian phallic compensation. I am confident enough to code with vi (it is even smaller than emacs). So...what does that say about people who use WebSphere Application Developer or Sun Java Studio Creator 2004Q2? Think about it... Larry On 6/29/05, Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just asked one of our analysts about this and she said, Don't be silly, it's ALL about the TOOL! When I asked her what she meant, exactly, she replied, The bigger the tool, the more room for error. And that's a GOOD thing? I asked astounded. She assured me that the best programmers she ever dated had the biggest tools. I thought it best to leave it at that...for the time being. ~mark -Original Message- From: Martin Kindler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:37 PM It is the (wo)man, not the tool. This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [slightly OT] alternatives to Tiles?
Yep - it's called PHP 5.0. ~mark -Original Message- From: Bill Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:45 AM Has anyone seen anything that has Tiles' request/response cycle and runtime footprint, but configures like SiteMesh? :-) *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Java vs .NET
Scary? Ponder this: in the Wash DC area, there is an overabundance of Java gigs and a scarcity of Java developers. Why? Because all the Java developers have wised up and realized that (1) C# is what Java should have been to begin with, and (2) C# and .NET are O-P-E-N S-T-A-N-D-A-R-D-S (can you spell it? say it, learn it, live it!) Java is NOT. What I find interesting is the vast majority of Java developers are more technologically bigoted than any M$ evangelist I've met. Curiously, at least the M$ camp's positions are based in reality. ~mark -Original Message- From: Ed Griebel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:49 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: AW: [OT]Linux server market share... This is scary indeed. For Western NY, there's 2x .net jobs compared to plain Java, and 8x more .net than j2ee. However, consider that MS has marketed hard that any kind of development with Microsoft can now be tagged .Net, which inflates the figures. At least that's my story :-) -ed On 6/29/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even then, most of us will agree that 20.54% for IIS is about 20% to much 2 years make it even worse.. Search on monster for .NET and J2EE. Compare the number of jobs and do the same thing at www.indeed.com,which aggregate everything from All big jobsites in the US. Job numbers for NET and J2EE on indeed.com is almost scary... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath @ elections.state.md.us
Carlos, this sounds like a threat. That is REALLY intolerable, u obtuse little shmuck. On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 08:50:47PM -0700, Carlos Duque wrote: } Actually, I wonder just how happy the State of Maryland would be know the } amount of time this fellow expends pontificating on topics far removed } from any work for the Department of Elections. This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath
...just trying to keep the conversation lively. ;-) ~mark On 6/30/05, M. Bitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/30/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sheesh man, I'm not calling for a ban on anyone, but give Niall a break. Niall is one of the most helpful people I've ever met online. Mark comes in here and says Struts is dead and calls everyone faggots, etc., ad nauseum. He might behave that way on many lists, but all of us who don't know him don't know that, and we're not used to it. It doesn't bother me what people say in general, but if it bothers Niall, and Joe, then suddenly it bothers me too. These guys work too hard -- for us (at least partially for us). This list is supposed to be about volunteering -- providing support for Struts. If I was a new user and I walked into this list yesterday, I'd be saying to myself, how can Struts really be any good (or worth it) if this is what it's like to hang out in the community? The committers don't deserve that. It's just a matter of showing respect for others. I wouldn't come into your house and purposely grind mud into your carpet. This is not the Internet at-large, this is the Apache Struts-user list. Independent thought and trolling aren't the same in my opinion. I'm still not for a ban on anyone, but if the committers (who do all the work) are bothered, whose side are you on? How sucky would this list *really* be if those guys (and all the other guys and gals who volunteer help every day) went away, and left us with nothing but a mail version of IRC? Erik +1 what he said. :) There is a difference between expressing conflicting viewpoints, infantile behavior, and generally being offensive. If one person's behavior is offensive enough to drive people away then that hurts the Struts community rather than helps it and I would expect the committers to try and fix the problem. FWIW, I do find Mark's posts to have little redeeming value and would prefer not to be inflicted with them. Melissa (longtime lurker, infrequent poster) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath @ elections.state.md.us
wow...what a bunch of fascists! Did you used to work as a forum guide on AOL? Do you know what a filter is? Can you spell d-e-l-e-t-e? Try taking your finger out of your ass and pressing the button. On 6/30/05, Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Niall Pemberton wrote: Pretty much all of Mark Galbreath's posts to this mailing list are IMO either rude, obnoxious or irrelevant. Its obvious that he has no interest in Struts or contributing constructively to this community and his only purpose is to disrupt. Below I include a selection of the rubbish he has posted - I find this unacceptable and propose that we remove/bar him from the struts lists. You're kidding, right? Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Unacceptable Behaviour of Mark Galbreath @ elections.state.md.us
Actually, I changed the email address so I could continue this scintilating conversation away from the office from my laptop. Nice try at a good dig, though. Try to rise above mediocrity. Cheers! Mark On 6/30/05, Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed Mark that you have changed your email address from your work one to a more personal one. No doubt in view of the comments made about your current position and how well you must be reflecting on your present employer. Still any future prospective employers can have the joy of reading your delightful missives via the wonder that is Google. As the saying goes; What goes around, comes around. All the best. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My apology
hahahahaha! now THAT was funny!! good email spoof, too! On 6/30/05, Mark Gallbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to apologize for my behavior over the past few days. I understand some of my posts could be construed as offensive. I'm going through a real tough time now in my personal life. For the longest time I've wanted to really become a woman but I can't seem to pass the psychological examine in order to make my dream a reality. I think I've let out a lot of my frustrations on you guys on the list, and for that, I am sorry. To make matters worse, I've recently been abused by an older Indian gentleman down the street for me. While making love, he forced me to scream out Java API calls, which I think explains why I've moved on to C#/.NET and have a prejudice against Indians. Deepest regrets, Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Struts Books Recommendations
I've been out of Struts for about 18 months now and all my books are out of date (Chuck Cavaness, Ted Husted, etc.) and are from the pre-release days. Are there any references published in the past year you would recommend? And Rick, I've already read, Who's Yer Daddy, Now? by Raji Mahatma. Cheers! ~mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?
Sun's Creator Studio rulez the inexpensive Java IDE world; JetBrain's IDEA rulez the $300+ IDEs. Eclipse isn't worth a shit. But REAL programmers prefer ed or vi. ~mark -Original Message- From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 8:42 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ? Sounds as if you are tightly coupling business layer to presentation I would recommend de-coupling your presentation layer from Business Entity possibly using Business Delegate Architecture..take a look at http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-ejb1022.html If you are seeking an IDE to accomplish this auto-generate ability for Struts there is Sun Java Framework http://www.sun.com/software/products/jsenterprise/index.xml IBM WSAD available at http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/studioappdev/ Borland JBuilder http://www.borland.com/us/products/jbuilder/index.html Also my favorite Oracle JDeveloper http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/index.html Anyone else? Martin - Original Message - From: minhnguyet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts FAQ user@struts.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:10 AM Subject: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ? Hi All , I write web application using Struts framewok . Model layer is ok . But in view layer , although I almost use taglib . I feel that it is not flexible . If after that we want to change template (html), so , we have to find and edit each code that we include value by taglibs. In PHP , there is a Smarty template which is to facilitate the separation of application code from presentation. I wonder if there is a template for Jsp like Smarty for Php ? Thank in advance for your help ! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?
Hey, Simon! Good to see you are still kickin' I see the morons around this list are as gullible to my posts as ever muhahahaha ~mark (a REAL programmer) -Original Message- From: Simon Chappell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:49 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ? On 6/29/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe IDEs are helpful, It is not Maybe that IDEs are useful. It is that they are definiately useful. Under certain circumstances they are useful. I am fully of the opinion that no beginner should ever be allowed to use an IDE. IDEs are an inhibitor of learning and understanding and should only be used by experienced programmers who have already gotten the necessary concepts full groked. but if you can't do your programming in a straight text editor, you shouldn't be programming at all. When you programm in a text editor, you may very likely to have snytax errors. A small price to pay and a problem that the compiler will catch for us. The java lib is so huge you can not possiably remember every single method name correctly. For example, you should have object.toString and you accidently wrote object.tostrig. You would catch this kind of errors Again, the compiler will catch it. And for the standard library, that's why they invented documentation, such as either the Java Almanacs or the standard JavaDoc for the JDK. in realy time due to code inspection on the fly in an IDE. In a text editor, you would catch it when you compile it or rely on your eyes(Your eyes work well when you are young and That is one of the reasons why we use Junit.. right? . Does it mean you do not know how to program? I use JUnit because I give a rip about writing quality code that I can prove the quality of, not because of the lack or otherwise of an IDE. auto-generate some code (mostly awful code) but that's about it. If that is all the person(should not even be called programmer) knows, he is not supposed to be hired in the first place. Auto code generation should be used only for very tedious boilerplate code such as getters and setters... Most autogenerated code is less programmer friendly than it could be, it's purpose being to be easily created rather than read and maintained. Simon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?
Does it spell-check for you, too? No wonder you need an IDE -Original Message- From: Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:43 PM As an example, when I want to right a debug statement, I simply type: ... *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?
Craig? Is that old fart still around? I thought he was deeply involved in JSF now. ;-) ~mark -Original Message- From: Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:51 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: [OT] RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ? I see the morons around this list are as gullible to my posts as ever Careful, you could get modded -1 troll and have your messages sent to Craig's noise folder. - Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Stinking IDEs
I have noticed over the years that those who are the most adamant about the virtues of IDEs are the worst programmers...and think emacs is a kid's meal from McDonalds. ~mark -Original Message- From: Yan Hu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:33 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ? http://uab.blogspot.com/2005/06/ides-we-dont-need-no-stinking-ides.html It is the most stupid blog I have ever seen. Go back to the cave where you belong to. Maybe we should ask MS guys to use vi and Emacs too. Why do some people call them real programmers just because they do not like IDEs? Why 85% of the Java developers use Eclipse? You think they are all wrong and you are right? You should be thankful since Eclipse is such a good IDE and it is free. Haa. I know when you get too old, you tend to hate anything new due to uncertainty that the new technologies might bring to you Hey that is understable that you might still want to use Cobol or even assembly.. Why do you want to program in java anyway? You could do a lot more(control) using assembly than Java as you could program in the stinking text editors such as vi and Emacs. They suck big time. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs
Yan, Us old guys still know a quiche-eater like you when we see one: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html http://www.multicians.org/thvv/realprogs.html If you can't debug with Lint, get the hell off the keyboard. ~mark -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:06 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: [OT] Stinking IDEs I have noticed over the years that those who are the most adamant about the virtues of IDEs are the worst programmers...and think emacs is a kid's meal from McDonalds. ~mark -Original Message- From: Yan Hu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:33 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ? http://uab.blogspot.com/2005/06/ides-we-dont-need-no-stinking-ides.html It is the most stupid blog I have ever seen. Go back to the cave where you belong to. Maybe we should ask MS guys to use vi and Emacs too. Why do some people call them real programmers just because they do not like IDEs? Why 85% of the Java developers use Eclipse? You think they are all wrong and you are right? You should be thankful since Eclipse is such a good IDE and it is free. Haa. I know when you get too old, you tend to hate anything new due to uncertainty that the new technologies might bring to you Hey that is understable that you might still want to use Cobol or even assembly.. Why do you want to program in java anyway? You could do a lot more(control) using assembly than Java as you could program in the stinking text editors such as vi and Emacs. They suck big time. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed.. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed.. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs
I just asked one of our analysts about this and she said, Don't be silly, it's ALL about the TOOL! When I asked her what she meant, exactly, she replied, The bigger the tool, the more room for error. And that's a GOOD thing? I asked astounded. She assured me that the best programmers she ever dated had the biggest tools. I thought it best to leave it at that...for the time being. ~mark -Original Message- From: Martin Kindler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:37 PM It is the (wo)man, not the tool. This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Stinking text editors
Hi Yan: Byte me. -Original Message- From: Yan Hu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:21 PM Hi Mark: Tell Craig to stop pouring money into Sun's studio creator. If you don't know not to call peoplemorons, get the heck off the list. Most morons think the majorty are morons.. This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Populating Form objects without Struts?
Yes - use .NET or JSF; Struts is dead. ~mark -Original Message- From: Greg Pelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:24 PM Is there a way to harvest the advantages of ActionForms without Struts? *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: Problems with validator and IE 5.0
Aside from the fact that Validator is a kluge, why ru developing for an obsolete browser? ~mark -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lionel Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:34 AM Nitesh wrote: Guess you would need to modify the JavaScript in your validator-rules suitably!!! It is what I did, it works fine but this is not an good solution. I'll have to patch the javascript code each time I get a new commons-validator revision. Why did they use getAttributeNode ? :( *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [FRIDAY] uh oh
muhahahaha. I know you've missed me! When I signed off the list a couple of years ago (wow! that long???) I was doing an RD PHP/MySQL/Linux gig with the Dept of State; for the past year I've been building C#.NET/SQL Server/IIS apps for the local county fire and rescue dept. Now, I'm at the Maryland State Board of Erec..., er, Elections doing system and application upgrades on a Python/PHP/phpWiki/PostgreSQL-Oracle/Linux portal (www.elections.state.md.us - horrendous, isn't it?). Covertly, I'm sticking Mono and Java frameworks in the rebuild, and since I haven't used Struts since 1.0, thought I'd lurk around and see what's going on. Hilarious that the first 100 posts were dominated by Validator! hahahahah! I've been vindicated! ~mark PS Good to see you guys again, too. I notice Ted has been busy publishing. I met a lot of people at JavaOne last June, but Craig avoided me once he learned I was there from David Geary. ;-) He was probably busy, though, with all the Gay Pride celebrations going on. -Original Message- From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:28 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] ApplicationResources.properties vs Validator framework But now it's Friday, so you can say what you like! Well almost. Mark, good to have you back. I always enjoyed your posts. I take it that being PC is still a dogma you have no truck with? On 24/06/05 11:22nbsp;James Mitchell wrote: late-reply Oh GOD!!! Not this guy again!! ;) /late-reply -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx Yahoo: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: RE: ApplicationResources.properties vs Validator framework Your root problem is using Validator in the first place. (1) It is a bogus design from the start, and (2) it never has worked as advertised. ~mark -Original Message- From: Gilbert, Antoine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:39 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: ApplicationResources.properties vs Validator framework Hi I have a strange problem. I have an application using validator on server side and client side (javascript), I have an ApplicationResources.properties with all my messages for erreor messages from validations. All is working ok. But, I made a war file and deployed the application on another server, and all validations error messages are now empty. ApplicationResources.properties is there, and I have this line in my struts-config.xml : message-resources parameter=ApplicationResources/ I activated logs via log4j, and I'm not getting any significant information except maybe this (I don't see him load ApplicationResources.properties) : DEBUG [org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor][23-06-2005 08:29:42]: processForwardConfig(ForwardConfig[name=default,path=/console/Contenu..js p?contenu=/console/sections/EditMenuLocale.jsp,redirect=false,contextRel ative=false,module=null]) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: getMessage(fr_CA,errors.required) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr_CA) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource 'resources/application_fr_CA.properties' DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource completed DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource 'resources/application_fr.properties' DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource completed DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale() DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource 'resources/application.properties' DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource completed DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: getMessage(fr_CA,errors.maxlength) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr_CA) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale() DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29
[FRIDAY] Why isn't Java Open Source?
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/let-java-go.html Words to ponder in an age of .NET and Python ascendancy! ~mark This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [FRIDAY] uh oh
I have no doubt my boss is looking for a friggin' H-1B Indian faggot to replace me for 1/2 the rate. And I'm leaving for home in a few, so I'll be back on #funkycodemonkey in about a half an hour. Rick: did you send those nekid pics of your wife yet? James: when ru going to port struts to a Lisp framework? -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:43 PM Yes, and he is having one doubt about your code! - Original Message - From: Rick Reumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:34 PM If you are back here, does this mean we don't have to smell you anymore on #FunkyCodeMonkey on irc.darkmyst.org?:) Mark, by the way, your boss called, said you were being replaced by someone name Minish Kundaputi? *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Eclipse plug-in for Struts
huh? Me thinks you better be reading the J2EE spec first ~mark On 6/23/05, Arash Bijanzadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too am searching for a plugin for Eclipse to be able to write my J2EE components like ... XML HTML and so on. *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ApplicationResources.properties vs Validator framework
Your root problem is using Validator in the first place. (1) It is a bogus design from the start, and (2) it never has worked as advertised. ~mark -Original Message- From: Gilbert, Antoine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:39 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: ApplicationResources.properties vs Validator framework Hi I have a strange problem. I have an application using validator on server side and client side (javascript), I have an ApplicationResources.properties with all my messages for erreor messages from validations. All is working ok. But, I made a war file and deployed the application on another server, and all validations error messages are now empty. ApplicationResources.properties is there, and I have this line in my struts-config.xml : message-resources parameter=ApplicationResources/ I activated logs via log4j, and I'm not getting any significant information except maybe this (I don't see him load ApplicationResources.properties) : DEBUG [org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor][23-06-2005 08:29:42]: processForwardConfig(ForwardConfig[name=default,path=/console/Contenu..js p?contenu=/console/sections/EditMenuLocale.jsp,redirect=false,contextRel ative=false,module=null]) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: getMessage(fr_CA,errors.required) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr_CA) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource 'resources/application_fr_CA.properties' DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource completed DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource 'resources/application_fr.properties' DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource completed DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale() DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource 'resources/application.properties' DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: Loading resource completed DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: getMessage(fr_CA,errors.maxlength) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr_CA) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale() DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: getMessage(fr_CA,errors.maxlength) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr_CA) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale() DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: getMessage(fr_CA,errors.maxlength) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr_CA) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale() DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: getMessage(fr_CA,errors.maxlength) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr_CA) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale(fr) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:29:43]: loadLocale() DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:30:21]: getMessage(fr_CA,finalizing) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:30:21]: loadLocale(fr_CA) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:30:21]: Loading resource 'org/apache/struts/action/ActionResources_fr_CA.properties' DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:30:21]: Loading resource completed DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:30:21]: loadLocale(fr) DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:30:21]: Loading resource 'org/apache/struts/action/ActionResources_fr.properties' DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:30:21]: Loading resource completed DEBUG [org.apache.struts.util.PropertyMessageResources][23-06-2005 08:30:21]: loadLocale() DEBUG
RE: running tomcat on port 80[Scanned]
It's been awhile since I ran Tomcat with a web server (IIS or Apache), but the documentation that comes with Tomcat (including the comments in the *.xml config files) is comprehensive. The docs address your issues in particular. I am preparing to integrate Tomcat 5.5.9 with Apache httpd 2.0.54 on SuSE 9.3 Pro and Red Hat Enterprise AS 4.0-U1 in the next day or two, so if your issues are not resolved by then, I'll repost with particulars. RTFM! ~mark -Original Message- From: Tony Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:55 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: running tomcat on port 80[Scanned] Or, can I move my tomcat under apache so now port number is necessary in the address? --- Tony Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank all for response. I loged on as root and changed server.xml to use port 80. When I start tomcat, it now compained that 80 is already in use. But I can not find out who is using it. I ran netstat -a, but I did not see anything like 80. Should I look at something else? I also tried telnet localhost 80, I got [EMAIL PROTECTED] telnet localhost 80 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1). Escape character is '^]'. And it hang on there. I type in GET index.html HTTP/1.1 After a couple minutes, I got a 400 bad request from Apache/2.0.46. Looks like I have apache running. How can I stop the apache server? I am using linux. We are still in the developing stage and all users are internal. Thus, security is not a concern right now. --- Timo -Blazko- Boewing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 18:54 +0200, mario nee wrote: in Unix system you must have root permission to open a port under 1024. Hello, While this is right, I would not recommend to run Tomcat as root. Better run Tomcat with another port just like the default 8080 and use a firewall application such as iptables to internally forward incoming requests to port 8080; thus you avoid dangerous exploits in Tomcat's webapps. It can be done w/ something similar to this: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 -- greetings, | /\ | \ / ASCII-Ribbon-Campaign Timo | X Against HTML Mail | / \ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: running tomcat on port 80[Scanned]
That would be the Friggin' Ignorant Newbie Encyclopaedia? ;-) -Original Message- From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: running tomcat on port 80[Scanned] and yes I agree with Mark please read the FINE Manual Martin- - Original Message - From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: RE: running tomcat on port 80[Scanned] It's been awhile since I ran Tomcat with a web server (IIS or Apache), but the documentation that comes with Tomcat (including the comments in the *.xml config files) is comprehensive. The docs address your issues in particular. I am preparing to integrate Tomcat 5.5.9 with Apache httpd 2.0.54 on SuSE 9.3 Pro and Red Hat Enterprise AS 4.0-U1 in the next day or two, so if your issues are not resolved by then, I'll repost with particulars. RTFM! ~mark This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Validation while using LookupDispatchAction
Your sure did: C#.NET makes stuff like this soo easy! Struts is dead. ~mark -Original Message- From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:48 PM But having different actions in struts-config. how would I call them in my jsp html:form ? because right now I have only one action in jsp html:form action=myAction and then for each button i have property=method.. in jsp in struts-config for this action mapping I have parameter=method Did I miss anything in here? This email and any file transmitted with it may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you received this email in error please notify the DBM Service Desk by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been scanned by networkMaryland Antivirus Service for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
