Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts 1.2.4 Test Build Available
From: Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] He has a point-- if you go to Download-Binaries it gives you 1.2.2. I asked about it on the dev list, hopefully someone can drop the 1.1 files into some directory and the download page (which is a .cgi) will magically change. (Well, after all the mirrors get updated... which might be the reason for leaving 1.2.2 there, knowing another release is coming soon. Onward!) Following up on this, it's too difficult to get the Downloads page to point at the 1.1 release, so they're waiting for the next GA release to replace 1.2.2. They're voting on 1.2.4 now, so hopefully that will do it. Apologies to the recently arrived... this is a particularly confusing time, I don't remember a GA release ever being withdrawn before, complicated by the recent change from Struts being under Jakarta to being on its own as an Apache project. -- Wendy Smoak - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts 1.2.4 Test Build Available
Martin, et al, I have a few questions about announcements and the current version of Struts. First, is [EMAIL PROTECTED] defunct? (There are only two entries in it and neither is very recent.) Your message below states that 1.2.2 has been withdrawn. I see no evidence of this on the Struts site. The Binaries Download is still 1.2.2. The last item under Announcements on the Struts site is about 1.2.2 GA. There's no mention of 1.2.2 being withdrawn. Where should one look for up-to-date information if one isn't watching this mailing list or perhaps missed/overlooked the posts here? My main problem is finding accurate, up-to-date information. This mailing list is a good source, but the noise level is high and it's easy to miss important information. Could someone provide some insight into the strategy used for updating information on the Struts site? Also, any tips about getting the latest and most accurate information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, TR Martin Cooper wrote: The Struts 1.2.4 Test Build is now available here: http://cvs.apache.org/dist/struts/v1.2.4/ This build fixes some problems with the 1.2.3 Test Build, and fixes some additional outstanding issues. Once feedback has been collected on the stability and quality of this release, a determination will be made as to whether it should be promoted to General Availability (GA) status, and replace the recently withdrawn 1.2.2 release. You are encouraged to download and test this build at your earliest convenience, and provide your feedback via the lists or via the bug database. -- Martin Cooper - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts 1.2.4 Test Build Available
From: Terry Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED] My main problem is finding accurate, up-to-date information. This mailing list is a good source, but the noise level is high and it's easy to miss important information. Could someone provide some insight into the strategy used for updating information on the Struts site? Also, any tips about getting the latest and most accurate information would be greatly appreciated. The Struts site gets updated just like the Struts source code-- when the volunteers who maintain it find the time. And fixing the code is more important than fixing the website. I actually prefer that 1.2.2 remains on the site, IIRC the problems with it aren't earth shattering and it will encourage more people to move up from 1.1. Version 1.2.4 should be ready soon enough. To stay informed, just keep reading here, and polish your mail filtering skills. One step ahead of that is monitoring the developers' list. If you filter out all the CVS and Wiki commits it's fairly low-volume, and that's where the real stuff happens. This is open source-- things can be a little messy at times, but the end result is amazing. Enjoy the show, answer some questions, ask some more, it'll get done when it gets done. Try as you might... you're not going to change the culture here. We like it this way. ;) -- Wendy Smoak ...doing real work with open source software... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts 1.2.4 Test Build Available
Wendy Smoak wrote: From: Terry Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED] My main problem is finding accurate, up-to-date information. This mailing list is a good source, but the noise level is high and it's easy to miss important information. Could someone provide some insight into the strategy used for updating information on the Struts site? Also, any tips about getting the latest and most accurate information would be greatly appreciated. The Struts site gets updated just like the Struts source code-- when the volunteers who maintain it find the time. And fixing the code is more important than fixing the website. I actually prefer that 1.2.2 remains on the site, IIRC the problems with it aren't earth shattering and it will encourage more people to move up from 1.1. Version 1.2.4 should be ready soon enough. To stay informed, just keep reading here, and polish your mail filtering skills. One step ahead of that is monitoring the developers' list. If you filter out all the CVS and Wiki commits it's fairly low-volume, and that's where the real stuff happens. This is open source-- things can be a little messy at times, but the end result is amazing. Enjoy the show, answer some questions, ask some more, it'll get done when it gets done. Try as you might... you're not going to change the culture here. We like it this way. ;) Also, I'm pretty sure that they accept documentation updates the same way they accept code updates. (Assuming they agree with what you type) I think the reason 1.2.4 is not mentioned on the announcements page yet is that it is not an official release yet - it was just released so users/developers could test it out, and then the committers will vote on whether to make it a release. Once it gets voted on, it will go to the announcements page. The announcements page is just a list of announcements, not a what to download type page. 1.2.2 is listed on their because it was at one point released as GA. (Whether there should be another announcement for its withdrawal is another question...) I wouldn't think stuff should be removed from it. (You can't change history :) ) Anyways, the Acquiring page does list 1.1 as the best live version for now, and 1.2.4 as the best dev version. I agree with Wendy, if you want up to the second information on what is going on in Struts development, subscribe to the development list. Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts 1.2.4 Test Build Available
Terry Roe wrote the following on 9/15/2004 12:31 PM: My main problem is finding accurate, up-to-date information. This mailing list is a good source, but the noise level is high and it's easy to miss important information. Make sure you always view mailing lists threaded (I know you probably already know this) but just in case. That way all of the related noise stays grouped together. Most mail clients will display the threads collapsed or expanded. Collapse them all and then go through and pick the threads you are interested in reading and expand those (delete the others). This list does have a lot of noise but it's by far one of the most helpful and informative lists I've ever been on. The ratio to answered questions per asked questions is extremely high. -- Rick - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts 1.2.4 Test Build Available
Matt and Wendy, Thanks for the info. I'm not attempting to change culture, but rather understand, and use, it as best I can. I know things can get messy now and then, but it will lead to confusion for the poor soul who's just discovered Struts and is trying dig their way in. If a newbie shows up today at the Struts site, there's no information indicating that 1.2.2 was withdrawn nor how to get version 1.2.4. BTW, I am not a newbie but I do understand the newbie/user point of view. I hope to use that insight to help improve things either through suggestions, or through actual submissions to the project. Where should I suggest improvements to the website and/or information contained, therein? Perhaps the dev mailing list is where I need to go next. TR Matt Bathje wrote: Wendy Smoak wrote: From: Terry Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED] My main problem is finding accurate, up-to-date information. This mailing list is a good source, but the noise level is high and it's easy to miss important information. Could someone provide some insight into the strategy used for updating information on the Struts site? Also, any tips about getting the latest and most accurate information would be greatly appreciated. The Struts site gets updated just like the Struts source code-- when the volunteers who maintain it find the time. And fixing the code is more important than fixing the website. I actually prefer that 1.2.2 remains on the site, IIRC the problems with it aren't earth shattering and it will encourage more people to move up from 1.1. Version 1.2.4 should be ready soon enough. To stay informed, just keep reading here, and polish your mail filtering skills. One step ahead of that is monitoring the developers' list. If you filter out all the CVS and Wiki commits it's fairly low-volume, and that's where the real stuff happens. This is open source-- things can be a little messy at times, but the end result is amazing. Enjoy the show, answer some questions, ask some more, it'll get done when it gets done. Try as you might... you're not going to change the culture here. We like it this way. ;) Also, I'm pretty sure that they accept documentation updates the same way they accept code updates. (Assuming they agree with what you type) I think the reason 1.2.4 is not mentioned on the announcements page yet is that it is not an official release yet - it was just released so users/developers could test it out, and then the committers will vote on whether to make it a release. Once it gets voted on, it will go to the announcements page. The announcements page is just a list of announcements, not a what to download type page. 1.2.2 is listed on their because it was at one point released as GA. (Whether there should be another announcement for its withdrawal is another question...) I wouldn't think stuff should be removed from it. (You can't change history :) ) Anyways, the Acquiring page does list 1.1 as the best live version for now, and 1.2.4 as the best dev version. I agree with Wendy, if you want up to the second information on what is going on in Struts development, subscribe to the development list. Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts 1.2.4 Test Build Available
Terry Roe wrote: Matt and Wendy, Thanks for the info. I'm not attempting to change culture, but rather understand, and use, it as best I can. I know things can get messy now and then, but it will lead to confusion for the poor soul who's just discovered Struts and is trying dig their way in. If a newbie shows up today at the Struts site, there's no information indicating that 1.2.2 was withdrawn nor how to get version 1.2.4. On the acquiring page it quite clearly says that 1.1 is the latest stable build, and 1.2.4 is the latest dev build. It makes no mention of 1.2.2. Like I said - the announcments page is just a list of announcements, not a list of what should be downloaded. I know when I was new to struts I never even glanced at the announcements page or though I should download from there, but went right to the acquiring page...maybe I'm not normal though (well...definitley not...but that isn't the point.) BTW, I am not a newbie but I do understand the newbie/user point of view. I hope to use that insight to help improve things either through suggestions, or through actual submissions to the project. Where should I suggest improvements to the website and/or information contained, therein? Perhaps the dev mailing list is where I need to go next. TR Your best bet is to check out the pages from cvs, make the changes, and commit patches to bugzilla. That will get much more attention than just posting to the dev list. Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts 1.2.4 Test Build Available
Your best bet is to check out the pages from cvs, make the changes, and commit patches to bugzilla. That will get much more attention than just posting to the dev list. Amen brudda!!! Matt -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts 1.2.4 Test Build Available
Matt, I appreciate the fact that information is available somewhere. However, your somewhere, my somewhere, and someone else's somewhere may not all be the same. My point is that inconsistent, inaccurate, or outdated information is misleading, causes confusion, and wastes time. I understand that documentation and providing meta information about the project is not high on the developers' lists. That's cool. I'm on a quest to perhaps help out in that area. I'm getting good information from you, and others, on how to do that. TR Matt Bathje wrote: Terry Roe wrote: Matt and Wendy, Thanks for the info. I'm not attempting to change culture, but rather understand, and use, it as best I can. I know things can get messy now and then, but it will lead to confusion for the poor soul who's just discovered Struts and is trying dig their way in. If a newbie shows up today at the Struts site, there's no information indicating that 1.2.2 was withdrawn nor how to get version 1.2.4. On the acquiring page it quite clearly says that 1.1 is the latest stable build, and 1.2.4 is the latest dev build. It makes no mention of 1.2.2. Like I said - the announcments page is just a list of announcements, not a list of what should be downloaded. I know when I was new to struts I never even glanced at the announcements page or though I should download from there, but went right to the acquiring page...maybe I'm not normal though (well...definitley not...but that isn't the point.) BTW, I am not a newbie but I do understand the newbie/user point of view. I hope to use that insight to help improve things either through suggestions, or through actual submissions to the project. Where should I suggest improvements to the website and/or information contained, therein? Perhaps the dev mailing list is where I need to go next. TR Your best bet is to check out the pages from cvs, make the changes, and commit patches to bugzilla. That will get much more attention than just posting to the dev list. Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts 1.2.4 Test Build Available
From: Matt Bathje [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the acquiring page it quite clearly says that 1.1 is the latest stable build, and 1.2.4 is the latest dev build. It makes no mention of 1.2.2. He has a point-- if you go to Download-Binaries it gives you 1.2.2. I asked about it on the dev list, hopefully someone can drop the 1.1 files into some directory and the download page (which is a .cgi) will magically change. (Well, after all the mirrors get updated... which might be the reason for leaving 1.2.2 there, knowing another release is coming soon. Onward!) -- Wendy Smoak - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANNOUNCE] Struts 1.2.4 Test Build Available
The Struts 1.2.4 Test Build is now available here: http://cvs.apache.org/dist/struts/v1.2.4/ This build fixes some problems with the 1.2.3 Test Build, and fixes some additional outstanding issues. Once feedback has been collected on the stability and quality of this release, a determination will be made as to whether it should be promoted to General Availability (GA) status, and replace the recently withdrawn 1.2.2 release. You are encouraged to download and test this build at your earliest convenience, and provide your feedback via the lists or via the bug database. -- Martin Cooper - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
