Re: [libreoffice-users] busca de soluções para Excel
At 10:57 25/08/2013 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: Again using Quick Translate but this time from English into Portuguese. Unfortunately machines are not good at speaking human languages so this might be nonsensical. Which is why it's always best to leave messages in the writer's own language and let the recipient manage the translation - as indeed the original questioner did. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Cross Platfrom Support Question
Le 24/08/13 11:21, Jay Ridgley a écrit : Hi Jay, there were no regular installation files available and to make another selection She is running MAC OSX How should she proceed? There is currently no fully functional mobile version of LibreOffice available for Android or iOS touchscreen devices. There are ports being developed for both Android and iOS (iPad) to allow at least reading of ODF documents, but these represent a significant amount of work and the project is still quite a way off releasing something that will be publicly acceptable. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas#Experimental_LibreOffice_app_for_iOS https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_on_Android In the meantime, if your colleague wants to just be able to read ODF files on her iPad, she could try this : https://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/ibm-lotus-symphony-viewer/id482597218?mt=8 Symphony also exists as an ODF reader app for Android. The Symphony app also allows synching : http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=46073 Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
In my experience, most paragraph styles tend to translate well to MS-Word formats. However, I've had problems with the alignment of automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO and MSW seem to align them differently. One bigger difference, however, is the way the two formats handle page formatting. LO uses page styles to change formatting from one page to another, whereas Word does not. It uses section breaks to make such page formatting changes, and I've found discrepancies in translating page formatting between the two. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hello, Apologies if this is a basic question. I've been given some documents to format according to certain style guidelines. The files are mostly .docx and .doc and must be sent off in this format. I work only with LibreOffice. My questions is, if I format the articles using paragraph and page styles rather than just directly changing the format in the body of the document, will the formatting be maintained when the documents are opened in MS Office? I am not concerned with small discrepancies that can be tweaked later on, rather whether this method of formatting generally transfers well. Again, sorry if it's a silly question. Many thanks. Ryan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Sorting a MySQL Database
Hi All I now have my new MySQL/LO Base Database up, running and fully edited from the old one. And what a pleasure it is to work with!! This IS the way to go, One question - It seems to have a strange way of sorting the Data as displayed in the Form I designed and I have to select 'Sort' in the bottom Bar and then pick 'Last Name', Ascending and 'First Name' Ascending to get it the way I want it. Unfortunately it does not seem to keep this Sort!! Is there a way to lock' this sort or to make it automatically do it when you start the program?? PClinuxOS 2013 LO Version 3.6.5.2 (Build ID: 5b93205) Thanks for any help. IanW Pretoria RSA -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Sorting a MySQL Database
Ian, Is there an id key field? If there is the default sorting is by the id key (usually numerical order). In SQL you can add the line: ORDER BY Last-Name, First-Name The default order is ascending (ASC) if descending is needed ORDER BY Last-Name DESC, First-Name DESC On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:00:24 -0400, Ian Whitfield whitfi...@telkomsa.net wrote: Hi All I now have my new MySQL/LO Base Database up, running and fully edited from the old one. And what a pleasure it is to work with!! This IS the way to go, One question - It seems to have a strange way of sorting the Data as displayed in the Form I designed and I have to select 'Sort' in the bottom Bar and then pick 'Last Name', Ascending and 'First Name' Ascending to get it the way I want it. Unfortunately it does not seem to keep this Sort!! Is there a way to lock' this sort or to make it automatically do it when you start the program?? PClinuxOS 2013 LO Version 3.6.5.2 (Build ID: 5b93205) Thanks for any help. IanW Pretoria RSA -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
Dear Friends, I am facing a issue in open office migration from microsoft office. when i am trying to open .docx file it is opening but header format disturb means not properly. So please give any solution for this. Thanks regards Satish -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
Hi :) You would probably find the same thing happen in other versions of MS Office. The DocX format keeps changing in each different version of MS Office and possibly on different versions of Windows. So a DocX made with 2007 on Xp might look quite different in MS Office 2010 on Win7. However if you can correct the error in the document and then save it as a Doc then everyone sees it very much the same regardless of operating system or program used to open the file. Even saving it back as a DocX sometimes works but it's usually best to stick with Doc. File - Save As ... - MS Word (98, 2000, Xp, 2003) something like that. Similarly if you can get MS Office users to use Save As and use the older formats then you will find those documents open better on LibreOffice too. Sadly many MS Office users seem to have no idea how to do something as 'complicated' as that! Do you happen to know which version of MS Office they are using? If they are using 2007, 2010, 2013 or 365 then they can open documents you send them in Odt format. With 2010 or 2007 they probably can't open Ods files in Excel but 2013 and 365 can. Regards from Tom :) From: Satish Srivastava satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 16:23 Subject: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer Dear Friends, I am facing a issue in open office migration from microsoft office. when i am trying to open .docx file it is opening but header format disturb means not properly. So please give any solution for this. Thanks regards Satish -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
To restate Tom's info If you save a .docx file using MSO 2013, it most likely will not read properly in MSO 2010 or 2007. This will happen more often as the document becomes more complex. I always tell my MSO users that if you want to make sure all of the different versions of MSO can read your documents, you must use the non-OOXML formats, like .doc. I never had any trouble with MSO documents that were in the pre-2007 formats. The only thing that the OOXML formats do you the user is to reduce the size of the documents, in many cases. AS for getting them to use ODF formats, well, if you get them to use .doc instead of .odt, then you have won a big battle. LO/Writer, and the other Open Source office packages out there, can easily use the .doc formatted documents with very little issues cropping up. I personally never had a problem with any .doc documents with Writer. On 08/26/2013 11:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) You would probably find the same thing happen in other versions of MS Office. The DocX format keeps changing in each different version of MS Office and possibly on different versions of Windows. So a DocX made with 2007 on Xp might look quite different in MS Office 2010 on Win7. However if you can correct the error in the document and then save it as a Doc then everyone sees it very much the same regardless of operating system or program used to open the file. Even saving it back as a DocX sometimes works but it's usually best to stick with Doc. File - Save As ... - MS Word (98, 2000, Xp, 2003) something like that. Similarly if you can get MS Office users to use Save As and use the older formats then you will find those documents open better on LibreOffice too. Sadly many MS Office users seem to have no idea how to do something as 'complicated' as that! Do you happen to know which version of MS Office they are using? If they are using 2007, 2010, 2013 or 365 then they can open documents you send them in Odt format. With 2010 or 2007 they probably can't open Ods files in Excel but 2013 and 365 can. Regards from Tom :) From: Satish Srivastava satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 16:23 Subject: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer Dear Friends, I am facing a issue in open office migration from microsoft office. when i am trying to open .docx file it is opening but header format disturb means not properly. So please give any solution for this. Thanks regards Satish -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: To restate Tom's info If you save a .docx file using MSO 2013, it most likely will not read properly in MSO 2010 or 2007. This will happen more often as the document becomes more complex. I always tell my MSO users that if you want to make sure all of the different versions of MSO can read your documents, you must use the non-OOXML formats, like .doc. I never had any trouble with MSO documents that were in the pre-2007 formats. The only thing that the OOXML formats do you the user is to reduce the size of the documents, in many cases. AS for getting them to use ODF formats, well, if you get them to use .doc instead of .odt, then you have won a big battle. LO/Writer, and the other Open Source office packages out there, can easily use the .doc formatted documents with very little issues cropping up. I personally never had a problem with any .doc documents with Writer. But right now i am migrating Microsoft office to open office in my office. So please give me solution for this because users have multiple fils. they can not save as all files in .doc formats. On 08/26/2013 11:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) You would probably find the same thing happen in other versions of MS Office. The DocX format keeps changing in each different version of MS Office and possibly on different versions of Windows. So a DocX made with 2007 on Xp might look quite different in MS Office 2010 on Win7. However if you can correct the error in the document and then save it as a Doc then everyone sees it very much the same regardless of operating system or program used to open the file. Even saving it back as a DocX sometimes works but it's usually best to stick with Doc. File - Save As ... - MS Word (98, 2000, Xp, 2003) something like that. Similarly if you can get MS Office users to use Save As and use the older formats then you will find those documents open better on LibreOffice too. Sadly many MS Office users seem to have no idea how to do something as 'complicated' as that! Do you happen to know which version of MS Office they are using? If they are using 2007, 2010, 2013 or 365 then they can open documents you send them in Odt format. With 2010 or 2007 they probably can't open Ods files in Excel but 2013 and 365 can. Regards from Tom :) From: Satish Srivastava satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 16:23 Subject: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer Dear Friends, I am facing a issue in open office migration from microsoft office. when i am trying to open .docx file it is opening but header format disturb means not properly. So please give any solution for this. Thanks regards Satish -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- You don't have to be great to start, but you have to start to be great.! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
Hi :) Backwards incompatibility is not a huge surprise. There is always a chance that some complex thing got inserted even though it probably didn't get used it might still be hidden in the document's coding. What surprises me is that documents created in an earlier version of MS Office apparently quite often have problems opening in later versions of MS Office. MS has all the specs and knows how it all fit together in 2007 so why wouldn't those documents open properly in 2010 or 2013? MS do have disclaimers and people are quite happy with those problems. If a different program has the same problem they use that as a reason why you shouldn't be using non-MS stuff. There is a certain amount of hypocrisy that goes on without them even being aware of what they are saying. My boss is a bit anxious about us getting a few versions of MS Office 2013 for just a few machines for training purposes. He wants everyone to use the same version of MS Office as each other precisely to avoid these sorts of problems. So, if we talk about buying 2013 for 1 machine he interprets that as having to buy for all the machines. Otherwise incompatibilities happen. Regards from Tom :) From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 17:08 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer To restate Tom's info If you save a .docx file using MSO 2013, it most likely will not read properly in MSO 2010 or 2007. This will happen more often as the document becomes more complex. I always tell my MSO users that if you want to make sure all of the different versions of MSO can read your documents, you must use the non-OOXML formats, like .doc. I never had any trouble with MSO documents that were in the pre-2007 formats. The only thing that the OOXML formats do you the user is to reduce the size of the documents, in many cases. AS for getting them to use ODF formats, well, if you get them to use .doc instead of .odt, then you have won a big battle. LO/Writer, and the other Open Source office packages out there, can easily use the .doc formatted documents with very little issues cropping up. I personally never had a problem with any .doc documents with Writer. On 08/26/2013 11:49 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) You would probably find the same thing happen in other versions of MS Office. The DocX format keeps changing in each different version of MS Office and possibly on different versions of Windows. So a DocX made with 2007 on Xp might look quite different in MS Office 2010 on Win7. However if you can correct the error in the document and then save it as a Doc then everyone sees it very much the same regardless of operating system or program used to open the file. Even saving it back as a DocX sometimes works but it's usually best to stick with Doc. File - Save As ... - MS Word (98, 2000, Xp, 2003) something like that. Similarly if you can get MS Office users to use Save As and use the older formats then you will find those documents open better on LibreOffice too. Sadly many MS Office users seem to have no idea how to do something as 'complicated' as that! Do you happen to know which version of MS Office they are using? If they are using 2007, 2010, 2013 or 365 then they can open documents you send them in Odt format. With 2010 or 2007 they probably can't open Ods files in Excel but 2013 and 365 can. Regards from Tom :) From: Satish Srivastava satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 16:23 Subject: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer Dear Friends, I am facing a issue in open office migration from microsoft office. when i am trying to open .docx file it is opening but header format disturb means not properly. So please give any solution for this. Thanks regards Satish -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
On 26/08/2013 at 17:23, Satish Srivastava satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com wrote: So please give any solution for this. There are three possible solutions: - create good bug report (providing example file and image showing how it should look like) and hope it will get fixed in future version - hire someone to fix this issue, provide patched binary for you and send code back to LibreOffice repository (so you will get it automatically on updates) - if you are using old version (like 3.6 or earlier), try upgrading. Especially 4.1 promises hundreds of fixes on foreign filetypes import. But I would not dare to use 4.1 on production environment yet (I would wait until at least 4.1.4). It is possible that 4.1 fixes your issue, but in exchange for some minor annoyances here and there. By the way, each time I read such questions, I wonder what is in mind of people asking them. That there is some kind of checkbox labeled make DOCX files look like shit somewhere in settings, that is turned ON by default? -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Hi Tom :-) I can probably get away with sending .docs, but I would like the option to convert to .docx later if need be. At the final stages I can work on an MS computer in MS Office. The documents have no images, they are basic articles with only prose and references. They need to look pretty professional though. Thanks for the suggestion regarding PDFs --- I'll most likely do that. My current plan is to create a LibreOffice template and apply it to the docs and then tweak them later on an MS machine. Many thanks for the help. Regards, Ryan On 25/08/13 23:10, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Can you send them all as Doc? if you can convert the DocX to Doc then it might work better. DocX can be a bit unpredictable at times. Do the documents have lots of images, frames, tables and charts and stuff? Also i'm just wondering if it's possible to send Pdfs of the documents in addition to the documents themselves. LibreOffice can use lossless compression easily and remembers the settings for the next one. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Info/UX inf...@gmx.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 25 August 2013, 18:38 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hello, Apologies if this is a basic question. I've been given some documents to format according to certain style guidelines. The files are mostly .docx and .doc and must be sent off in this format. I work only with LibreOffice. My questions is, if I format the articles using paragraph and page styles rather than just directly changing the format in the body of the document, will the formatting be maintained when the documents are opened in MS Office? I am not concerned with small discrepancies that can be tweaked later on, rather whether this method of formatting generally transfers well. Again, sorry if it's a silly question. Many thanks. Ryan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
Hi :) I would definitely prefer that people do ask us so that they can get the truth of it and then maybe test what we say to confirm it. The other option is to ask MS why and their answer will be that they have to buy their latest version of their MS Office and then put up with people who are too cheap-skate to buy the newest one too. The other piece of advice they will give is to never use anything that is non-MS. That whole attitude is one reason i wanted to get away from the MS world in the first place. They have a vested interest in making people feel guilty for not buying their latest and upgrading everything all the time at considerable expense. If all hardware and software really needs to be upgrade every 3-4 years then how come satellites, marine bouys and other stuff that is tough to reach can keep on working for decades. One nice thing about LibreOffice is that you can upgrade for free, except the cost of the internet connection. The 4.1.0 is fine on most machines. We haven't had many reports of problems with it really but i would still tend to go with the 4.0.5 because that 3rd digit, the .5, is roughly the equivalent of Service Pack 5. The 4.1.0 has no service packs. The 4.1.1 has 1. So the 4.0.5 is more stable and less likely to have unpleasant unexpected surprises. Regards from Tom :) From: Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 18:34 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer On 26/08/2013 at 17:23, Satish Srivastava satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com wrote: So please give any solution for this. There are three possible solutions: - create good bug report (providing example file and image showing how it should look like) and hope it will get fixed in future version - hire someone to fix this issue, provide patched binary for you and send code back to LibreOffice repository (so you will get it automatically on updates) - if you are using old version (like 3.6 or earlier), try upgrading. Especially 4.1 promises hundreds of fixes on foreign filetypes import. But I would not dare to use 4.1 on production environment yet (I would wait until at least 4.1.4). It is possible that 4.1 fixes your issue, but in exchange for some minor annoyances here and there. By the way, each time I read such questions, I wonder what is in mind of people asking them. That there is some kind of checkbox labeled make DOCX files look like shit somewhere in settings, that is turned ON by default? -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Thanks, Virgil. I can probably alter any lists when I work in an MS environment at the final stage of formatting. Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering if I use slightly more advanced features of LibreOffice to get my results whether it would cause more problems when working in Word. I am trying to keep the process relatively simple. The articles only need to have consistent fonts and spacing and perhaps one page break for the bibliographies. I have starting created a LibreOffice template with customised paragraph styles and some changes to the page style. I was planning to apply this to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my formatting would transfer to Word, I don't mind making some manual adjustments at that stage. Thanks, Ryan On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote: In my experience, most paragraph styles tend to translate well to MS-Word formats. However, I've had problems with the alignment of automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO and MSW seem to align them differently. One bigger difference, however, is the way the two formats handle page formatting. LO uses page styles to change formatting from one page to another, whereas Word does not. It uses section breaks to make such page formatting changes, and I've found discrepancies in translating page formatting between the two. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hello, Apologies if this is a basic question. I've been given some documents to format according to certain style guidelines. The files are mostly .docx and .doc and must be sent off in this format. I work only with LibreOffice. My questions is, if I format the articles using paragraph and page styles rather than just directly changing the format in the body of the document, will the formatting be maintained when the documents are opened in MS Office? I am not concerned with small discrepancies that can be tweaked later on, rather whether this method of formatting generally transfers well. Again, sorry if it's a silly question. Many thanks. Ryan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
On 2013-08-26 12:49 PM, saraysri . satishsrivasta...@gmail.com wrote: So please give me solution for this because users have multiple fils. they can not save as all files in .doc formats. Have everyone buy Microsoft Office 2013. Seriously. This is the only real 'solution' that you can implement right now. As has been pointed out, even older versions of Microsoft's own software has trouble with the newer file formats between the different versions... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Suggestions
Where/who can you email a Libreoffice suggestion for improvement? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Formulas in text instead of result - LO Calc
Thanks to all. It is amazing how such a little action can cause so much anxiety. | David Stuckey, MBA. MHSA. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Open Calc, go to Tools Options. In the Options dialog click on the plus sign to the left of LibreOffice Calc (on the left hand tree) and then on View. Uncheck the option on the top right Display Formulas Hope this helps. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Formulas-in-text-instead-of-result-LO-Calc-tp4071257p4071306.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] regular expression in formula to investigate
On 08/25/2013 01:35 AM, Brian Barker wrote: At 23:26 24/08/2013 +0200, Pier Andreit wrote: [...] I cannot understand this part: SEARCH(/[^/]*$, CELL(filename)) I know it search in CELL(filename) but I cannot understand the criteria /[^/]*$ from the tests it seems to find the last / in any string, and if you substitute the / with . it works again finding the last ., it is very useful :-) :-) :-) :-) could somebody so marvellously noble and well-bred to explain the regular expressions here used?? I'm not even ordinarily noble - certainly not marvellously so - and I was only ordinarily bred; will I do? ...enough noble to be opensource knight...:-) :-) The first character in the text string is the slash that you are looking for. A string in square brackets matches any single character which appears in that string. But if the first character is a circumflex (as here), it matches any single character *not* in that string. So leftbracket-circumflex-slash-rightbracket matches any single character other than a slash. The asterisk following this pattern causes a match with zero or more characters (as many as possible, in fact) preceding it - in this case the bracketed string. So the bracketed part followed by the asterisk together match as many characters as possibly not including a slash. The dollar sign locks the pattern to the end of a paragraph - in this case, the end of the entire text in the cell. So the whole string finds a slash followed by many not-slash characters, but only at the end of the string. As you say, that means everything from the last slash in the string to the end. The SEARCH() function then returns the position of the start of the matched text: the position of the last slash. thank you very much, I understood now, and I will better study regular expressions...:-) as you know is there some way to start search from the right of strings?? ...a couple of beer paid for you...:-) :-) :-) How kind! I'll enquire of my mail service provider how soon they can permit liquid attachments. ...in technology we trust. for now only USB beer... :-) :-) :-) :-) http://beer.about.com/od/beertastinganddrinking/ig/Beer-Gadgets--Gizmos---Goodies/-Beer--Filled-USB-Flash-Drive.htm but I don't know the flavour... ...and if you pass from Latina-Italy email to me, a real beer can be found more easily...:-) :-) I trust this helps. Brian Barker ciao, Pier P.S. sorry if my bad english can generate misunderstunding, I'm only joking :-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of text body) on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. Stick with the Save As the Doc format doesn't open in that way and doesn't hold images in an image format which is another reason i suggest keeping a copy of images nearby. Also i have sometimes found that mysterious things happen during the course of a Word document. So to save myself a lot of time i tend to start with a fresh new Odt and then use Ctrl Shift v to paste in unformatted text and then apply styles (and maybe modfied the styles after to watch the mod ripple through the document). Occasionally i have wanted to just do something quickly and then been frustrated by some weird bit of insane MS formatting that just keeps throwing up problems until i relent and do the start again from scratch approach which has then typically taken just a few minutes even if the problem seemed intractable. Regards from Tom :) From: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com To: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. I can probably alter any lists when I work in an MS environment at the final stage of formatting. Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering if I use slightly more advanced features of LibreOffice to get my results whether it would cause more problems when working in Word. I am trying to keep the process relatively simple. The articles only need to have consistent fonts and spacing and perhaps one page break for the bibliographies. I have starting created a LibreOffice template with customised paragraph styles and some changes to the page style. I was planning to apply this to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my formatting would transfer to Word, I don't mind making some manual adjustments at that stage. Thanks, Ryan On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote: In my experience, most paragraph styles tend to translate well to MS-Word formats. However, I've had problems with the alignment of automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO and MSW seem to align them differently. One bigger difference, however, is the way the two formats handle page formatting. LO uses page styles to change formatting from one page to another, whereas Word does not. It uses section breaks to make such page formatting changes, and I've found discrepancies in translating page formatting between the two. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hello, Apologies if this is a basic question. I've been given some documents to format according to certain style guidelines. The files are mostly .docx and .doc and must be sent off in this format. I work only with LibreOffice. My questions is, if I format the articles using paragraph and page styles rather than just directly changing the format in the body of the document, will the formatting be maintained when the documents are opened in MS Office? I am not concerned with small discrepancies that can be tweaked later on, rather whether this method of formatting generally transfers well. Again, sorry if it's a silly question. Many thanks. Ryan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:42:32 -0400, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-08-26 12:49 PM, saraysri . satishsrivasta...@gmail.com wrote: So please give me solution for this because users have multiple fils. they can not save as all files in .doc formats. Have everyone buy Microsoft Office 2013. Seriously. This is the only real 'solution' that you can implement right now. As has been pointed out, even older versions of Microsoft's own software has trouble with the newer file formats between the different versions... Or refuse to buy or use any version of MSO until MS correctly uses odf formats as default formats. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:02:44 -0400, Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com wrote: Where/who can you email a Libreoffice suggestion for improvement? The easiest way is to file a bug report on Bugzilla and mark the bag as feature/enhancement. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
On 26/08/13 21:37, Jay Lozier wrote: Or refuse to buy or use any version of MSO until MS correctly uses odf formats as default formats. Certainly in Office 2010 you have the option to set ODF as the default document type, and I believe that in Office 2013/365 they've fixed the ODSExcel bug of displaying values instead of formulae.. -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing: http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXML http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Ryan wrote: Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering if I use slightly more advanced features of LibreOffice to get my results whether it would cause more problems when working in Word. I think that's a good way of phrasing the issue. I think the more we use methods that are unique to LO, such as page styles, the more likely we will be to have problems when translating to .doc format. When I know I have to save something in Word format, I think it makes sense to try to emulate the Word way of doing things as much possible. You'll lose some of the advantages of using LO, but the conversion to .doc will be cleaner. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
Hi :) MS Office 2010 and earlier used a bad implementation of an old version of the ODF formats which meant that Word/Writer was fine but Calc/Excel lost all the formulas and just gave fixed values instead. They were able to give a reasonable excuse for shunning the ODF 1.2 that everyone else was using quite happily at the time. MSO 2013 and 365 now uses the same ODF as everyone else since ODF 1.2 finally got officially released a couple of years previous to that. Plus they fixed their implementation so it now allows formulas in spreadsheets. Regards from Tom :) From: Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 21:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer On 26/08/13 21:37, Jay Lozier wrote: Or refuse to buy or use any version of MSO until MS correctly uses odf formats as default formats. Certainly in Office 2010 you have the option to set ODF as the default document type, and I believe that in Office 2013/365 they've fixed the ODSExcel bug of displaying values instead of formulae.. -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing: http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXML http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions
Hi :) It depends on what sort of suggestion. If you can run it past us then we might be able to point you in the right direction. If it's a marketing strategy or idea for an event then the Marketing List might be good. Like all the other lists it is also widely accessible to the general public so anyone can comment. If it's an idea about languages then the L10n international translators list might help. If it's about UI design, themes or icon sets then Design Team. Lots of teams working on different aspects. TDF is quite large already. Jay meant you can use the drop-downs in the bug-reporting thing as one of the drop-downs has Feature request listed soemwhere at the bottom Regards from Tom :) From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 21:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 15:02:44 -0400, Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com wrote: Where/who can you email a LibreOffice suggestion for improvement? The easiest way is to file a bug report on Bugzilla and mark the bag as feature/enhancement. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer
Hi :) Accidents happen. I thought it was fairly easy to tell who said what just by the different word-usage and sentence structure. So, no need to fret. The odf-converter-integrator sounds like a good idea but with a 3rd party tool you have got to wonder who makes it and what their 'hidden' objective might be. Mention of Novell makes me wonder if MS are behind it. MS are not hugely in favour of LibreOffice. Back when i actually believed in MS i would have tried it too but they let me down too many times and i began to find a pattern in that. Turns out they are primarily a profit-making organisation rather than really being philanthropic! Any chance of trying the original DocX and just open that in LibreOffice without trying to convert it or do anything else to it? Regards from Tom :) From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 21:20 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] .docx file format disturb in libreoffice 4.0 Writer Please learn how to quote/reply... Your reply was indistinguishable from the quoted text (of mine)... On 2013-08-26 3:49 PM, Satish Srivastava satish.srivast...@fosteringlinux.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.orgwrote: On 2013-08-26 12:49 PM, saraysri . satishsrivasta...@gmail.com wrote: So please give me solution for this because users have multiple fils. they can not save as all files in .doc formats. Have everyone buy Microsoft Office 2013. Seriously. This is the only real 'solution' that you can implement right now. As has been pointed out, even older versions of Microsoft's own software has trouble with the newer file formats between the different versions... No dear we never go with microsoft. I got a beautiful open source tool when you install this tool in your system it automatically detect our target file(docx) when you open this it convert open office format(odt). The tool name is odf-converter-integrater. open source have biggest power just trust them. Yeah, right... You were asking for a *solution* for *badly translated* documents. odf-converter-integrator will absolutely produce *badly translated/converted documents*. Again... the *only* way to guarantee that documents open and look the same is if everyone in the loop is one the exact same version of the exact same software. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of text body) on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. Stick with the Save As the Doc format doesn't open in that way and doesn't hold images in an image format which is another reason i suggest keeping a copy of images nearby. Also i have sometimes found that mysterious things happen during the course of a Word document. So to save myself a lot of time i tend to start with a fresh new Odt and then use Ctrl Shift v to paste in unformatted text and then apply styles (and maybe modfied the styles after to watch the mod ripple through the document). Occasionally i have wanted to just do something quickly and then been frustrated by some weird bit of insane MS formatting that just keeps throwing up problems until i relent and do the start again from scratch approach which has then typically taken just a few minutes even if the problem seemed intractable. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Info/UX inf...@gmx.com *To:* Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. I can probably alter any lists when I work in an MS environment at the final stage of formatting. Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering if I use slightly more advanced features of LibreOffice to get my results whether it would cause more problems when working in Word. I am trying to keep the process relatively simple. The articles only need to have consistent fonts and spacing and perhaps one page break for the bibliographies. I have starting created a LibreOffice template with customised paragraph styles and some changes to the page style. I was planning to apply this to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my formatting would transfer to Word, I don't mind making some manual adjustments at that stage. Thanks, Ryan On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote: In my experience, most paragraph styles tend to translate well to MS-Word formats. However, I've had problems with the alignment of automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO and MSW seem to align them differently. One bigger difference, however, is the way the two formats handle page formatting. LO uses page styles to change formatting from one page to another, whereas Word does not. It uses section breaks to make such page formatting changes, and I've found
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Hi :) Tweaking in MS office is probably the best time to convert Doc to DocX. However you then risk the DocX looking different if they are not using the same version of Windows and the same version of MSO. Mind you any editable format changes a bit due to external issues such as different printer, and other unlikely factors. So i guess Doc or DocX should look fine as long as you don't need an exact match. Regards from Tom :) From: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:09 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hi Tom :-) I can probably get away with sending .docs, but I would like the option to convert to .docx later if need be. At the final stages I can work on an MS computer in MS Office. The documents have no images, they are basic articles with only prose and references. They need to look pretty professional though. Thanks for the suggestion regarding PDFs — I'll most likely do that. My current plan is to create a LibreOffice template and apply it to the docs and then tweak them later on an MS machine. Many thanks for the help. Regards, Ryan On 25/08/13 23:10, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Can you send them all as Doc? if you can convert the DocX to Doc then it might work better. DocX can be a bit unpredictable at times. Do the documents have lots of images, frames, tables and charts and stuff? Also i'm just wondering if it's possible to send Pdfs of the documents in addition to the documents themselves. LibreOffice can use lossless compression easily and remembers the settings for the next one. Regards from Tom :) From: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2013, 18:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hello, Apologies if this is a basic question. I've been given some documents to format according to certain style guidelines. The files are mostly .docx and .doc and must be sent off in this format. I work only with LibreOffice. My questions is, if I format the articles using paragraph and page styles rather than just directly changing the format in the body of the document, will the formatting be maintained when the documents are opened in MS Office? I am not concerned with small discrepancies that can be tweaked later on, rather whether this method of formatting generally transfers well. Again, sorry if it's a silly question. Many thanks. Ryan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Hi :) I think my way is the best, unless it doesn't work out and then i need to find someone else to blame. Virgil's plan also has merit and it sounds like he has used it on more and different types of documents than me. Mine tend to have quite a lot of logos. Not sure if Virgil's documents are more ilke yours. Is it possible to do a trial run of 1 or 2? If you find quirks you don't like do the same 1 or 2 the other way and have a quick look to see which looks best? Both methods probably work just as well in the longer term, if other people are going to edit them, because they will find weird ways to stuff up formatting to get you back to square 1 again. Regards from Tom :) From: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 22:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of text body) on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. Stick with the Save As the Doc format doesn't open in that way and doesn't hold images in an image format which is another reason i suggest keeping a copy of images nearby. Also i have sometimes found that mysterious things happen during the course of a Word document. So to save myself a lot of time i tend to start with a fresh new Odt and then use Ctrl Shift v to paste in unformatted text and then apply styles (and maybe modfied the styles after to watch the mod ripple through the document). Occasionally i have wanted to just do something quickly and then been frustrated by some weird bit of insane MS formatting that just keeps throwing up problems until i relent and do the start again from scratch approach which has then typically taken just a few minutes even if the problem seemed intractable. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Info/UX inf...@gmx.com *To:* Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. I can probably alter any lists when I work in an MS environment at the final stage of formatting. Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering if I use
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Hi :) iow. Both ways are good. Pick one. Use it. (or modify one) Neither is perfect because DocX and even Doc is not perfect. Odt usage is on the rise and beginning to be the best choice for long-term storage. Hopefully it will 'soon' become the best choice for active collaboration too. Until then we are at the mercy of a single profit-making company that is beginning to panic about the sudden rise of mobile computing. They need to sell more of what people already have. How are they going to convince people to keep buying stuff they don't really rely on so much anymore? Regards from Tom :) From: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 22:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of text body) on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. Stick with the Save As the Doc format doesn't open in that way and doesn't hold images in an image format which is another reason i suggest keeping a copy of images nearby. Also i have sometimes found that mysterious things happen during the course of a Word document. So to save myself a lot of time i tend to start with a fresh new Odt and then use Ctrl Shift v to paste in unformatted text and then apply styles (and maybe modfied the styles after to watch the mod ripple through the document). Occasionally i have wanted to just do something quickly and then been frustrated by some weird bit of insane MS formatting that just keeps throwing up problems until i relent and do the start again from scratch approach which has then typically taken just a few minutes even if the problem seemed intractable. Regards from Tom :) From: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com To: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. I can probably alter any lists when I
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO specific methods. Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a result that Word should read fairly well. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM To: Tom Davies Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of text body) on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. Stick with the Save As the Doc format doesn't open in that way and doesn't hold images in an image format which is another reason i suggest keeping a copy of images nearby. Also i have sometimes found that mysterious things happen during the course of a Word document. So to save myself a lot of time i tend to start with a fresh new Odt and then use Ctrl Shift v to paste in unformatted text and then apply styles (and maybe modfied the styles after to watch the mod ripple through the document). Occasionally i have wanted to just do something quickly and then been frustrated by some weird bit of insane MS formatting that just keeps throwing up problems until i relent and do the start again from scratch approach which has then typically taken just a few minutes even if the problem seemed intractable. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Info/UX inf...@gmx.com *To:* Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. I can probably alter any lists when I work in an MS environment at the final stage of formatting. Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering if I use slightly more advanced
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Thanks, Virgil. My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size letter and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more intricate than that. Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will probably stick with LO. Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO specific methods. Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a result that Word should read fairly well. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM To: Tom Davies Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of text body) on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. Stick with the Save As the Doc format doesn't open in that way and doesn't hold images in an image format which is another reason i suggest keeping a copy of images nearby. Also i have sometimes found that mysterious things happen during the course of a Word document. So to save myself a lot of time i tend to start with a fresh new Odt and then use Ctrl Shift v to paste in unformatted text and then apply styles (and maybe modfied the styles after to watch the mod ripple through the document). Occasionally i have wanted to just do something quickly and then been frustrated by some weird bit of insane MS formatting that just keeps throwing up problems until i relent and do the start again from scratch approach which has then typically taken just a few minutes even if the problem seemed intractable. Regards from Tom :)
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Thanks, Tom. I'll do as you say. I'll start with a blank .odt and assess the method/results as I go. I agree with your comments about why this process is made difficult for profit by certain entities. The current problem with collaboration is that once the file leaves your computer.. you soon end up trading .docs back and forth, unfortunately. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:06, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) iow. Both ways are good. Pick one. Use it. (or modify one) Neither is perfect because DocX and even Doc is not perfect. Odt usage is on the rise and beginning to be the best choice for long-term storage. Hopefully it will 'soon' become the best choice for active collaboration too. Until then we are at the mercy of a single profit-making company that is beginning to panic about the sudden rise of mobile computing. They need to sell more of what people already have. How are they going to convince people to keep buying stuff they don't really rely on so much anymore? Regards from Tom :) *From:* Info/UX inf...@gmx.com *To:* Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 22:38 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of text body) on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. Stick with the Save As the Doc format doesn't open in that way and doesn't hold images in an image format which is another reason i suggest keeping a copy of images nearby. Also i have sometimes found that mysterious things happen during the course of a Word document. So to save myself a lot of time i tend to start with a fresh new Odt and then use Ctrl Shift v to paste in unformatted text and then apply styles (and maybe modfied the styles after to watch the mod ripple through the document). Occasionally i have wanted to just do something quickly and then been frustrated by some weird bit of insane MS formatting that just keeps throwing up problems until i relent and do the start again from scratch approach which has then typically taken just a few minutes even if the problem seemed intractable. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Info/UX inf...@gmx.com mailto:inf...@gmx.com *To:* Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Before answering your question, I did a little test. I loaded a simple .odt two page document in LO. It has some basic paragraph styles, and a few outline styles with automatic numbering, along with a footer with a page number. Basic stuff. I then saved the document as a .doc (Word 2003). I loaded it into the Word Starter Version that came with my Sony Laptop, and it converted *almost* perfectly. There was only a slight deviation in my outline numbering. LO adds more horizontal space after an automatic number, whereas Word adds a tab character. When converting the document, LO added a tab and adjusted the extra horizontal space, but there was still an ever so slight difference in the lining up of the text. It would only bother an obsessive person like me. The page formatting and footer with page number translated perfectly. I'm using LO 3.6.7 and I must say that it's .doc translation is extremely good, much better than I remember from previous versions. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 6:40 PM To: Virgil Arrington Cc: Tom Davies ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size letter and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more intricate than that. Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will probably stick with LO. Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO specific methods. Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a result that Word should read fairly well. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM To: Tom Davies Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of text body) on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename files from .Odt
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Hi :) Good point about using US-letter! That might make the biggest difference! Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4. That might make more difference than which method you use. Regards from Tom :) From: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com To: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size letter and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more intricate than that. Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will probably stick with LO. Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO specific methods. Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a result that Word should read fairly well. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM To: Tom Davies Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of text body) on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. Stick with the Save As the Doc format doesn't open in that way and doesn't hold images in an image format which is another reason i suggest keeping a copy of images nearby. Also i have
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is 8.5 by 11 inches? Virgil From: Tom Davies Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hi :) Good point about using US-letter! That might make the biggest difference! Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4. That might make more difference than which method you use. Regards from Tom :) From: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com To: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size letter and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more intricate than that. Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will probably stick with LO. Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO specific methods. Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a result that Word should read fairly well. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM To: Tom Davies Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of text body) on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Thanks a lot for that, Virgil. Based on the information you and Tom have provided, my workflow will go: .ott (with paragraph and page styles) -- .odt (copy and paste .doc content, load style from template, format, save) -- export to PDF -- save as .doc -- send to MS computer -- Manually clean up any problems. I think this should be fine, if a little involved. All the fonts I need are standard MS stuff, which I have installed. I'll spare you the horror stories about preparing a nice document in LO using DejaVU fonts and then later opening in a new*ish* version of MS Word. ;-) Thanks again for the time you took. Think I can get to work now. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:59, Virgil Arrington wrote: Before answering your question, I did a little test. I loaded a simple .odt two page document in LO. It has some basic paragraph styles, and a few outline styles with automatic numbering, along with a footer with a page number. Basic stuff. I then saved the document as a .doc (Word 2003). I loaded it into the Word Starter Version that came with my Sony Laptop, and it converted *almost* perfectly. There was only a slight deviation in my outline numbering. LO adds more horizontal space after an automatic number, whereas Word adds a tab character. When converting the document, LO added a tab and adjusted the extra horizontal space, but there was still an ever so slight difference in the lining up of the text. It would only bother an obsessive person like me. The page formatting and footer with page number translated perfectly. I'm using LO 3.6.7 and I must say that it's .doc translation is extremely good, much better than I remember from previous versions. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 6:40 PM To: Virgil Arrington Cc: Tom Davies ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size letter and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more intricate than that. Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will probably stick with LO. Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO specific methods. Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a result that Word should read fairly well. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM To: Tom Davies Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Hahaha. I just wish we could have an agreed standard! ;-) Ryan On 27/08/13 00:15, Virgil Arrington wrote: When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is 8.5 by 11 inches? Winking smile Virgil *From:* Tom Davies mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM *To:* Info/UX mailto:inf...@gmx.com ; Virgil Arrington mailto:cuyfa...@hotmail.com *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hi :) Good point about using US-letter! That might make the biggest difference! Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4. That might make more difference than which method you use. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Info/UX inf...@gmx.com *To:* Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com *Cc:* Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size letter and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more intricate than that. Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will probably stick with LO. Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO specific methods. Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a result that Word should read fairly well. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM To: Tom Davies Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of text body) on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
I think you've got a good process there. Fonts! It's one problem I see with interaction between Linux and Windows. I have a dual boot Windows/Linux laptop, and the font issue is a constant problem. I've found that many Windows fonts install quite nicely into Linux, but I do want to respect copyrights and licenses, so I tend to use free fonts as much as possible. The URW collection of free fonts is quite nice, as is Linux Libertine, which has some really nice expert effects (old style numbering, true small caps, etc.). Another great free font for book-style work is OFL Sorts Mill Goudy. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:20 PM To: Virgil Arrington Cc: Tom Davies ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks a lot for that, Virgil. Based on the information you and Tom have provided, my workflow will go: .ott (with paragraph and page styles) -- .odt (copy and paste .doc content, load style from template, format, save) -- export to PDF -- save as .doc -- send to MS computer -- Manually clean up any problems. I think this should be fine, if a little involved. All the fonts I need are standard MS stuff, which I have installed. I'll spare you the horror stories about preparing a nice document in LO using DejaVU fonts and then later opening in a new*ish* version of MS Word. ;-) Thanks again for the time you took. Think I can get to work now. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:59, Virgil Arrington wrote: Before answering your question, I did a little test. I loaded a simple .odt two page document in LO. It has some basic paragraph styles, and a few outline styles with automatic numbering, along with a footer with a page number. Basic stuff. I then saved the document as a .doc (Word 2003). I loaded it into the Word Starter Version that came with my Sony Laptop, and it converted *almost* perfectly. There was only a slight deviation in my outline numbering. LO adds more horizontal space after an automatic number, whereas Word adds a tab character. When converting the document, LO added a tab and adjusted the extra horizontal space, but there was still an ever so slight difference in the lining up of the text. It would only bother an obsessive person like me. The page formatting and footer with page number translated perfectly. I'm using LO 3.6.7 and I must say that it's .doc translation is extremely good, much better than I remember from previous versions. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 6:40 PM To: Virgil Arrington Cc: Tom Davies ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size letter and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more intricate than that. Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will probably stick with LO. Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO specific methods. Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a result that Word should read fairly well. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM To: Tom Davies Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my
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At 21:35 26/08/2013 +0200, Pier Andreit wrote: as you know is there some way to start search from the right of strings?? Not directly that I know of. I think you just need to use the $ character - as here - to lock the pattern you are matching to the end of the text (or of a paragraph, in the case of a text document). ...in technology we trust. for now only USB beer... :-) :-) :-) :-) Ho, ho! Splendid! Thanks. P.S. sorry if my bad english can generate misunderstanding, I'm only joking :-) It's perfectly understandable. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Hi :) What's an inch? Regards from Tom :) From: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com To: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:22 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hahaha. I just wish we could have an agreed standard! ;-) Ryan On 27/08/13 00:15, Virgil Arrington wrote: When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is 8.5 by 11 inches? Virgil From: Tom Davies Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hi :) Good point about using US-letter! That might make the biggest difference! Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4. That might make more difference than which method you use. Regards from Tom :) From: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com To: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size letter and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more intricate than that. Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will probably stick with LO. Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO specific methods. Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a result that Word should read fairly well. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM To: Tom Davies Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Tom, Virgil. If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine). Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on. Thanks for all this advice. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems. We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
Hi :) There used to be a package called something like ms core fonts which had arial, times new roman, trebuchet, verdana and maybe a couple other things. I must have got the name a bit wrong because i cna't find it in my package manager now. I've copied across a few fonts from Ubuntu to Windows but i should really find a way of being more consistent one day to get all machines on both networks the same as each other. Possibly 1 folder on the file-share and then just dragdrop Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:33 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? I think you've got a good process there. Fonts! It's one problem I see with interaction between Linux and Windows. I have a dual boot Windows/Linux laptop, and the font issue is a constant problem. I've found that many Windows fonts install quite nicely into Linux, but I do want to respect copyrights and licenses, so I tend to use free fonts as much as possible. The URW collection of free fonts is quite nice, as is Linux Libertine, which has some really nice expert effects (old style numbering, true small caps, etc.). Another great free font for book-style work is OFL Sorts Mill Goudy. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:20 PM To: Virgil Arrington Cc: Tom Davies ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks a lot for that, Virgil. Based on the information you and Tom have provided, my workflow will go: .ott (with paragraph and page styles) -- .odt (copy and paste .doc content, load style from template, format, save) -- export to PDF -- save as .doc -- send to MS computer -- Manually clean up any problems. I think this should be fine, if a little involved. All the fonts I need are standard MS stuff, which I have installed. I'll spare you the horror stories about preparing a nice document in LO using DejaVU fonts and then later opening in a new*ish* version of MS Word. ;-) Thanks again for the time you took. Think I can get to work now. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:59, Virgil Arrington wrote: Before answering your question, I did a little test. I loaded a simple .odt two page document in LO. It has some basic paragraph styles, and a few outline styles with automatic numbering, along with a footer with a page number. Basic stuff. I then saved the document as a .doc (Word 2003). I loaded it into the Word Starter Version that came with my Sony Laptop, and it converted *almost* perfectly. There was only a slight deviation in my outline numbering. LO adds more horizontal space after an automatic number, whereas Word adds a tab character. When converting the document, LO added a tab and adjusted the extra horizontal space, but there was still an ever so slight difference in the lining up of the text. It would only bother an obsessive person like me. The page formatting and footer with page number translated perfectly. I'm using LO 3.6.7 and I must say that it's .doc translation is extremely good, much better than I remember from previous versions. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 6:40 PM To: Virgil Arrington Cc: Tom Davies ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size letter and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more intricate than that. Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will probably stick with LO. Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO specific methods. Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a result that Word should read fairly well. Virgil -Original
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In Ubuntu 13.04, the package in the software center is called: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts Don On 08/26/2013 08:00 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There used to be a package called something like ms core fonts which had arial, times new roman, trebuchet, verdana and maybe a couple other things. I must have got the name a bit wrong because i cna't find it in my package manager now. I've copied across a few fonts from Ubuntu to Windows but i should really find a way of being more consistent one day to get all machines on both networks the same as each other. Possibly 1 folder on the file-share and then just dragdrop Regards from Tom :) From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com To: Info/UX inf...@gmx.com Cc: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:33 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? I think you've got a good process there. Fonts! It's one problem I see with interaction between Linux and Windows. I have a dual boot Windows/Linux laptop, and the font issue is a constant problem. I've found that many Windows fonts install quite nicely into Linux, but I do want to respect copyrights and licenses, so I tend to use free fonts as much as possible. The URW collection of free fonts is quite nice, as is Linux Libertine, which has some really nice expert effects (old style numbering, true small caps, etc.). Another great free font for book-style work is OFL Sorts Mill Goudy. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:20 PM To: Virgil Arrington Cc: Tom Davies ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks a lot for that, Virgil. Based on the information you and Tom have provided, my workflow will go: .ott (with paragraph and page styles) -- .odt (copy and paste .doc content, load style from template, format, save) -- export to PDF -- save as .doc -- send to MS computer -- Manually clean up any problems. I think this should be fine, if a little involved. All the fonts I need are standard MS stuff, which I have installed. I'll spare you the horror stories about preparing a nice document in LO using DejaVU fonts and then later opening in a new*ish* version of MS Word. ;-) Thanks again for the time you took. Think I can get to work now. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:59, Virgil Arrington wrote: Before answering your question, I did a little test. I loaded a simple .odt two page document in LO. It has some basic paragraph styles, and a few outline styles with automatic numbering, along with a footer with a page number. Basic stuff. I then saved the document as a .doc (Word 2003). I loaded it into the Word Starter Version that came with my Sony Laptop, and it converted *almost* perfectly. There was only a slight deviation in my outline numbering. LO adds more horizontal space after an automatic number, whereas Word adds a tab character. When converting the document, LO added a tab and adjusted the extra horizontal space, but there was still an ever so slight difference in the lining up of the text. It would only bother an obsessive person like me. The page formatting and footer with page number translated perfectly. I'm using LO 3.6.7 and I must say that it's .doc translation is extremely good, much better than I remember from previous versions. Virgil -Original Message- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 6:40 PM To: Virgil Arrington Cc: Tom Davies ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size letter and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more intricate than that. Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will probably stick with LO. Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO specific methods. Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a
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At 00:22 27/08/2013 +0100, Ryan Noname wrote: Hahaha. I just wish we could have an agreed [paper size] standard! ;-) We do: it's ISO 216 - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_216 . The only problem is that a tiny, tiny minority of countries don't respect it. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
