Hi :)
What's an inch?
Regards from
Tom :)
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From: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com>
To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com>
Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:22
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other
software/formats?
Hahaha. I just wish we could have an agreed standard! ;-)
Ryan
On 27/08/13 00:15, Virgil Arrington wrote:
When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is 8.5 by
11 inches?
>
>Virgil
>From: Tom Davies
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM
>To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington
>Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
>other software/formats?
> Hi :)
>Good point about using US-letter! That might make the
biggest difference!
>
>Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US
and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still
fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4. That
might make more difference than which method you use.
>Regards from
>Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com>
>To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com>
>Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org
>Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
>other software/formats?
>
>
>Thanks, Virgil.
>
>My documents are similar to yours. One last question
then I'll give you
>guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with
page size "letter"
>and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't
need anything more
>intricate than that.
>
>Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have
Linux at home so will
>probably stick with LO.
>
>Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot.
>
>Regards,
>Ryan
>
>On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>> My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms
of formatting.
>> Typically, they are either legal or academic
style papers. I'm a heavy
>> user of paragraph styles and won't work without
them.
>>
>> I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and
then at the end convert
>> to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph
styles, but I would avoid
>> LO specific methods.
>>
>> Another option is a shareware word processor
called Atlantis. It's a
>> lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no
ribbon) with a $35.00
>> registration. I often use it when Word
compatibility is paramount. It
>> does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I
honestly don't know why
>> MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It
doesn't support tables, but
>> other than that, it will handle simple formats
very well and will
>> produce a result that Word should read fairly
well.
>>
>> Virgil
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Info/UX
>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM
>> To: Tom Davies
>> Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice
paragraph styles exported
>> to other software/formats?
>>
>> Thanks, Tom, Virgil.
>>
>> If I wanted to use different text body styles
throughout I would
>> probably have made new styles and called them
text body 1, 2, etc.
>> Luckily nothing like that is needed in this
case. But I have created my
>> simple template with basic paragraph and page
styles.
>>
>> So, in trying to process the information in
both of your replies, I feel
>> I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS
formats (.docx, but .doc if
>> possible) and format with minimal use of LO's
special features (even so,
>> I'd rather use styles than format everything
manually), (2) Start a
>> blank .odt and copy and paste my article
content and load the styles
>> from my template and save to doc later (and
maybe then to docx on a
>> windows machine).
>>
>> Which method do you think would give the best
results? The priority is
>> for the finished pieces to look consistent in
MS Word... and also allow
>> other people to edit the .docs in Word with
minimal quirky things
>> going on.
>>
>> Thanks for all this advice.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ryan
>>
>> On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote:
>>> Hi :)
>>> If you can use MS Office to do some final
proof-reading then you are
>>> unlikely to have any problems.
>>>
>>> We have been assuming that is not possible
and that would make the
>>> final outcome uncertain. Being able to
quickly scroll through before
>>> sending it out into the world kinda
eliminates that uncertainty.
>>>
>>> If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt
format and then at the
>>> end convert to Doc format then you should
find that there are no
>>> surprises.
>>>
>>>
>>> Virgil seems to be talking about a very
specific set of styles or
>>> method of using styles. He is talking
about changing styles (such as
>>> changing the font of "text body") on
different pages within the same
>>> document. If you need to do that it might
be worth creating
>>> duplicates of the styles and then modifying
the duplicates? I'm not
>>> sure how to deal with that but Virgil has
probably found a
>>> work-around if needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would keep copies of
photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts
>>> just in case you do run into problems. LO
does have an extremely
>>> rare intermittent bug that is difficult to
pin down but seems to be
>>> getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up
goes on. You know that you
>>> can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip
and then double-click to
>>> see the Xml coding inside along with
folders for various things such
>>> as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way
to fix problems but it's a
>>> bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very
different in the 2 formats
>>> so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create
fairly serious problems.
>>> Stick with the "Save As ...". the Doc
format doesn't open in that
>>> way and doesn't hold images in an image
format which is another
>>> reason i suggest keeping a copy of images
nearby.
>>>
>>> Also i have sometimes found that mysterious
things happen during the
>>> course of a Word document. So to save
myself a lot of time i tend to
>>> start with a fresh new Odt and then use
>>> Ctrl Shift v
>>> to paste in "unformatted text" and then
apply styles (and maybe
>>> modfied the styles after to watch the mod
ripple through the
>>> document). Occasionally i have wanted to
"just do something quickly"
>>> and then been frustrated by some weird bit
of insane MS formatting
>>> that just keeps throwing up problems until
i relent and do the "start
>>> again from scratch" approach which has then
typically taken just a
>>> few minutes even if the problem seemed
intractable.
>>>
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From:* Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com>
>>> *To:* Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23
>>> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users]
LibreOffice paragraph styles
>>> exported to other software/formats?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Virgil.
>>>
>>> I can probably alter any lists when I work
in an MS environment at the
>>> final stage of formatting.
>>>
>>> Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering
if I use slightly more
>>> advanced features of LibreOffice to get my
results whether it would
>>> cause more problems when working in Word. I
am trying to keep the
>>> process relatively simple. The articles
only need to have consistent
>>> fonts and spacing and perhaps one page
break for the bibliographies. I
>>> have starting created a LibreOffice
template with customised paragraph
>>> styles and some changes to the page style.
I was planning to apply this
>>> to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my
formatting would transfer to
>>> Word, I don't mind making some manual
adjustments at that stage.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>>> > In my experience, most paragraph
styles tend to translate well to
>>> > MS-Word formats. However, I've had
problems with the alignment of
>>> > automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO
and MSW seem to align them
>>> > differently.
>>> >
>>> > One bigger difference, however, is the
way the two formats handle page
>>> > formatting. LO uses page styles to
change formatting from one page to
>>> > another, whereas Word does not. It
uses section breaks to make such
>>> > page formatting changes, and I've
found discrepancies in translating
>>> > page formatting between the two.
>>> >
>>> > Virgil
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message----- From:
Info/UX
>>> > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM
>>> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org>
>>> > Subject: [libreoffice-users]
LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
>>> > other software/formats?
>>> >
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > Apologies if this is a basic question.
I've been given some
>>> documents to
>>> > format according to certain style
guidelines. The files are mostly
>>> .docx
>>> > and .doc and must be sent off in this
format. I work only with
>>> > LibreOffice. My questions is, if I
format the articles using paragraph
>>> > and page styles rather than just
directly changing the format in the
>>> > body of the document, will the
formatting be maintained when the
>>> > documents are opened in MS Office? I
am not concerned with small
>>> > discrepancies that can be tweaked
later on, rather whether this method
>>> > of formatting generally transfers
well. Again, sorry if it's a silly
>>> > question.
>>> >
>>> > Many thanks.
>>> > Ryan
>>> >
>>>
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