When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is 8.5 by 11 inches?
Virgil From: Tom Davies Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hi :) Good point about using US-letter! That might make the biggest difference! Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4. That might make more difference than which method you use. Regards from Tom :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks, Virgil. My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size "letter" and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more intricate than that. Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will probably stick with LO. Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: > My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. > Typically, they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy > user of paragraph styles and won't work without them. > > I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert > to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid > LO specific methods. > > Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a > lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 > registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It > does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why > MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but > other than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will > produce a result that Word should read fairly well. > > Virgil > > -----Original Message----- From: Info/UX > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM > To: Tom Davies > Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported > to other software/formats? > > Thanks, Tom, Virgil. > > If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would > probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. > Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my > simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. > > So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel > I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if > possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, > I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a > blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles > from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a > windows machine). > > Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is > for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow > other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things > going on. > > Thanks for all this advice. > > Regards, > Ryan > > On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are >> unlikely to have any problems. >> >> We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the >> final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before >> sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. >> >> If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the >> end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no >> surprises. >> >> >> Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or >> method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as >> changing the font of "text body") on different pages within the same >> document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating >> duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not >> sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a >> work-around if needed. >> >> >> I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts >> just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely >> rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be >> getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you >> can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to >> see the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such >> as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a >> bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats >> so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. >> Stick with the "Save As ...". the Doc format doesn't open in that >> way and doesn't hold images in an image format which is another >> reason i suggest keeping a copy of images nearby. >> >> Also i have sometimes found that mysterious things happen during the >> course of a Word document. So to save myself a lot of time i tend to >> start with a fresh new Odt and then use >> Ctrl Shift v >> to paste in "unformatted text" and then apply styles (and maybe >> modfied the styles after to watch the mod ripple through the >> document). Occasionally i have wanted to "just do something quickly" >> and then been frustrated by some weird bit of insane MS formatting >> that just keeps throwing up problems until i relent and do the "start >> again from scratch" approach which has then typically taken just a >> few minutes even if the problem seemed intractable. >> >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> >> *To:* Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> >> *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org >> *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23 >> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles >> exported to other software/formats? >> >> Thanks, Virgil. >> >> I can probably alter any lists when I work in an MS environment at the >> final stage of formatting. >> >> Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering if I use slightly more >> advanced features of LibreOffice to get my results whether it would >> cause more problems when working in Word. I am trying to keep the >> process relatively simple. The articles only need to have consistent >> fonts and spacing and perhaps one page break for the bibliographies. I >> have starting created a LibreOffice template with customised paragraph >> styles and some changes to the page style. I was planning to apply this >> to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my formatting would transfer to >> Word, I don't mind making some manual adjustments at that stage. >> >> Thanks, >> Ryan >> >> On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> > In my experience, most paragraph styles tend to translate well to >> > MS-Word formats. However, I've had problems with the alignment of >> > automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO and MSW seem to align them >> > differently. >> > >> > One bigger difference, however, is the way the two formats handle page >> > formatting. LO uses page styles to change formatting from one page to >> > another, whereas Word does not. It uses section breaks to make such >> > page formatting changes, and I've found discrepancies in translating >> > page formatting between the two. >> > >> > Virgil >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Info/UX >> > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM >> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org> >> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to >> > other software/formats? >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > Apologies if this is a basic question. I've been given some >> documents to >> > format according to certain style guidelines. The files are mostly >> .docx >> > and .doc and must be sent off in this format. I work only with >> > LibreOffice. My questions is, if I format the articles using paragraph >> > and page styles rather than just directly changing the format in the >> > body of the document, will the formatting be maintained when the >> > documents are opened in MS Office? I am not concerned with small >> > discrepancies that can be tweaked later on, rather whether this method >> > of formatting generally transfers well. Again, sorry if it's a silly >> > question. >> > >> > Many thanks. >> > Ryan >> > >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> <mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org> >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot >> be deleted >> >> > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted