Re: [libreoffice-users] Shall we waste twelve more years promoting Free office suites instead of...

2013-11-10 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
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On 09/11/2013 19:33, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> Open File Formats

> I still have State "agency" people send out MSO 2010 or 2013 Word 
> .docx files to other agency people who still have MSO 2007 and did
> not have the budget to buy 2010 or 2013.  They still cannot
> understand that there is a limited backwards compatibility to the
> .docx formatted files between the newer to the older MSO packages.
> If, they were using a package that saved these documents in ODF [or
> even .doc for Word] then they would not have these troubles.
> 

Interestingly, during the installation of MS Office 2010 and 2013/365,
you are now asked whether you want tthe default document type to be
ODF or MS Office format...
So either the use of ODF is becoming much more common, or it's the
usual Embrace, Extend and Extinguish ploy from MS (Me, Cynical?)

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[libreoffice-users] paste special problem

2013-11-10 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
on my opensuse 12.3 and libreoffice Version 4.0:build-305 and also with 
Version: 4.1.1.2 paste special doesn't works any more.
if I select a group of cells with formulas, move in another position and 
I perform paste special, a "paste special" window appear with only:

source: unknown source
selection: unformatted text
and the buttons OK CANCEL HELP

the classical paste special dialog box with the classical choices like 
"text", "numbers", "formulas", "transpose" doesn't appear.


how can I get the paste special works???
thanks, :-) ciao :-) pier

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Subject: DRM books

2013-11-10 Thread zuke
On 11/09/2013 10:49 PM, Daniel wrote:
> Is there an extension in LO in order to read DRM ebooks?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Daniel
> 

LibreOffice really isn't the tool for this.  Although you can convert to
epub with some plugins, they really aren't very comprehensive and not
worth the time, tbh.

If you're looking to backup your DRM'd books, then I suggest Calibre
with the DeDRM plugin.  Calibre is an ebook reader and library manager
that will convert books to a variety of formats.  It'll also allow you
to use LO and Word files as part of your library collection or convert
them to e-book format.

look here:
http://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/calibre-plugins-the-simplest-option-for-removing-most-ebook-drm/

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[libreoffice-users] Calc fields lose formatting

2013-11-10 Thread Oogie McGuire
I'm having a consistent problem with some fieldd in a very large Calc 
spreadsheet.

I'm on a Mac and running LO Version 3.6.6.2 (Build ID: f969faf)

One of my columns is a wide field with a lot of text. I have my default font 
set to Geneva and the size to 10.

For some reason in some of the cells parts of the text have been set to font 
size 12. I can go in and by hand select just that portion of the cell, change 
the font size back to 10 and it looks like it works. Save the file, close LO 
and re-open. Eventually the font size will change back to 12. It doesn't happen 
at once and it can take several open and closes before the problem shows up, 
hence I haven't been able to create a small version that shows the problem. 

Related is that if I select all the cells (via click in the upper left hand 
corner of the spreadsheet  and then try to set the font and size none of the 
contents of the cells will change to the new font or size options.

Can anyone offer any suggestions on how to:

1 - fix the edit of individual cells so that once a font change is made it 
sticks, permanently
2 - tell me how to globally change the entire document to be a specific font 
and or size and have that actually work.

Thanks

Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire 
Desert Weyr http://www.desertweyr.com/  
Paonia, CO USA


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Subject: DRM books

2013-11-10 Thread James Knott
Daniel wrote:
> Is there an extension in LO in order to read DRM ebooks?

Why would you want to read ebooks in an office suite, when there are
already many apps for that task?

BTW, other than library books, I try to avoid DRM.  I don't have a
single DRM book that I own a copy of.  The books I buy, I get from
O'Reilly, which are DRM free.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Subject: DRM books

2013-11-10 Thread John Meyer
Yeah, kinda OT, but Calibre is the best program for this.  you can even 
e-mail your books to your Kindle.


On 11/10/2013 7:20 AM, zuke wrote:

On 11/09/2013 10:49 PM, Daniel wrote:

Is there an extension in LO in order to read DRM ebooks?

Thanks

Daniel


LibreOffice really isn't the tool for this.  Although you can convert to
epub with some plugins, they really aren't very comprehensive and not
worth the time, tbh.

If you're looking to backup your DRM'd books, then I suggest Calibre
with the DeDRM plugin.  Calibre is an ebook reader and library manager
that will convert books to a variety of formats.  It'll also allow you
to use LO and Word files as part of your library collection or convert
them to e-book format.

look here:
http://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/calibre-plugins-the-simplest-option-for-removing-most-ebook-drm/




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Re: [libreoffice-users] paste special problem

2013-11-10 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2013-11-10 6:53 AM, yahoo-pier_andreit  wrote:

on my opensuse 12.3 and libreoffice Version 4.0:build-305 and also with
Version: 4.1.1.2 paste special doesn't works any more.
if I select a group of cells with formulas, move in another position and
I perform paste special, a "paste special" window appear with only:
source: unknown source
selection: unformatted text
and the buttons OK CANCEL HELP

the classical paste special dialog box with the classical choices like
"text", "numbers", "formulas", "transpose" doesn't appear.

how can I get the paste special works???


I have been having serious problems with 'Paste Special' working, then 
not working, then working again, on many different spreadsheets (most if 
not all created a long time ago, some as old as Openoffice 1.x)...


It is extremely annoying, and sometimes even prevents me from getting 
something done.


Been meaning to post a bug, but the problem is, I have not found a 
reliable way to reproduce it...


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[libreoffice-users] paste special problem

2013-11-10 Thread teppisti-xpla
on my opensuse 12.3 and libreoffice Version 4.0:build-305 paste special 
doesn't works any more.
if I select a group of cells with formulas, move in another position and 
I perform paste special, a "paste special" window appear with only:

source: unknown source
selection: unformatted text
and the buttons OK CANCEL HELP

the classical paste special dialog box with the classical choices like 
"text", "numbers", "formulas" doesn't appear.


how can I get the paste special works???
thanks, :-) ciao :-) pier

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Re: [libreoffice-users] paste special problem

2013-11-10 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit

On 11/10/2013 06:00 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2013-11-10 6:53 AM, yahoo-pier_andreit  wrote:

on my opensuse 12.3 and libreoffice Version 4.0:build-305 and also with
Version: 4.1.1.2 paste special doesn't works any more.
if I select a group of cells with formulas, move in another position and
I perform paste special, a "paste special" window appear with only:
source: unknown source
selection: unformatted text
and the buttons OK CANCEL HELP

the classical paste special dialog box with the classical choices like
"text", "numbers", "formulas", "transpose" doesn't appear.

how can I get the paste special works???


I have been having serious problems with 'Paste Special' working, then
not working, then working again, on many different spreadsheets (most if
not all created a long time ago, some as old as Openoffice 1.x)...

It is extremely annoying, and sometimes even prevents me from getting
something done.

Been meaning to post a bug, but the problem is, I have not found a
reliable way to reproduce it...


now for me is extremely reproducible, it never works:-) :-) :-) :-)
now "paste special" and alsoo "simple paste" doesn't works, they paste 
only values, not formula or other

I don't know how to come back to a working situation.
may be it could be some config file to delete, but I cannot find it,
in my /home I found a ./libreoffice folder, I renamed it but nothing 
change:-) :-) :-)


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[libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey

2013-11-10 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello,

As there were some exchanges about the survey here and as I advertised
it on this mailing list as well, I thought you might be interested by
my initial analysis:
http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2013/11/10/users-the-final-frontier/

Thank you for your participation!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] paste special problem

2013-11-10 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2013-11-10 1:26 PM, yahoo-pier_andreit  wrote:

On 11/10/2013 06:00 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

I have been having serious problems with 'Paste Special' working, then
not working, then working again, on many different spreadsheets (most if
not all created a long time ago, some as old as Openoffice 1.x)...

It is extremely annoying, and sometimes even prevents me from getting
something done.

Been meaning to post a bug, but the problem is, I have not found a
reliable way to reproduce it...



now for me is extremely reproducible, it never works:-) :-) :-) :-)
now "paste special" and alsoo "simple paste" doesn't works, they paste
only values, not formula or other
I don't know how to come back to a working situation.
may be it could be some config file to delete, but I cannot find it,
in my /home I found a ./libreoffice folder, I renamed it but nothing
change:-) :-) :-)


The very first thing I tried was deleting the .config and letting LO 
create a new one... no joy...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Subject: DRM books

2013-11-10 Thread Marc Grober
+1
there are several threads about this in the archive as well

On 11/10/13, 5:20 AM, zuke wrote:
> On 11/09/2013 10:49 PM, Daniel wrote:
>> Is there an extension in LO in order to read DRM ebooks?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Daniel
>>
> LibreOffice really isn't the tool for this.  Although you can convert to
> epub with some plugins, they really aren't very comprehensive and not
> worth the time, tbh.
>
> If you're looking to backup your DRM'd books, then I suggest Calibre
> with the DeDRM plugin.  Calibre is an ebook reader and library manager
> that will convert books to a variety of formats.  It'll also allow you
> to use LO and Word files as part of your library collection or convert
> them to e-book format.
>
> look here:
> http://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/calibre-plugins-the-simplest-option-for-removing-most-ebook-drm/
>



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[libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Oogie McGuire
I have a spreadsheet that is the output of a SQLite Database on Android. It 
contains numbers that have been formatted as text. When I copy the columns into 
my LibreOffice Spreadsheet I want to make sure that they are interpreted as 
numbers. 

However they come in as text and the manuals and help at Libre Office are less 
than useful. 

https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Converting_Text_to_Numbers implies that this 
conversion happens automatically but it sure doesn't

I found reference to a value function, but no information on how to apply it to 
this data.

 I tried just changing the format of the cells to be number but that didn't do 
anything at all. 

I've also attempted various styles of paste special but still it doesn't work. 

There has got to be a way to quickly say this text is all really numbers and 
get it working!

Please help

Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire 
Desert Weyr http://www.desertweyr.com/  
Paonia, CO USA


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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Joel Madero

http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/ct2n-convert-text-to-number-and-dates


That extension should do the trick - we're trying to incorporate it into 
the core code but so far you need the extension.



All the best,
Joel


On 11/10/2013 01:57 PM, Oogie McGuire wrote:

I have a spreadsheet that is the output of a SQLite Database on Android. It 
contains numbers that have been formatted as text. When I copy the columns into 
my LibreOffice Spreadsheet I want to make sure that they are interpreted as 
numbers.

However they come in as text and the manuals and help at Libre Office are less 
than useful.

https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Converting_Text_to_Numbers implies that this 
conversion happens automatically but it sure doesn't

I found reference to a value function, but no information on how to apply it to 
this data.

  I tried just changing the format of the cells to be number but that didn't do 
anything at all.

I've also attempted various styles of paste special but still it doesn't work.

There has got to be a way to quickly say this text is all really numbers and 
get it working!

Please help

Eugenie (Oogie) McGuire
Desert Weyr http://www.desertweyr.com/
Paonia, CO USA





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey

2013-11-10 Thread Dale Erwin

On 11/10/2013 1:46 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

Hello,

As there were some exchanges about the survey here and as I advertised
it on this mailing list as well, I thought you might be interested by
my initial analysis:
http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2013/11/10/users-the-final-frontier/

Thank you for your participation!



I'm glad you think it was such a great success.  I personally feel you 
would have a much larger response had the questionnaire been better 
formulated.  So many of the questions' multiple choice answers had no 
choice which reflected my situation/experience. After a while I decided 
not to continue with it and discarded it because it was obvious that it 
would not have reflected my situation/experience (which I presume was 
the goal).  I suppose it is possible that for some questions there are 
only a few possible answers, but for most, the choice of "other" should 
be made available, or possibly even a blank line to fill in.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

2013-11-10 Thread Urmas

"Charles-H. Schulz":

The only way users can contribute is when they are paying. If a developer is 
paid for non-user-related applications, it will have the ubiquitous 
opensource mentality: "I'm a GOD and you insolent worm will crawl on all 
fours at my feet because it pleases me to do so". Obviously the commercial 
products which have incident support with developers and actually implement 
what users ask of them basing on what is asked and not on what is trivial to 
implement, will live LO in the gutter. 




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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Ady

> I have a spreadsheet that is the output of a SQLite Database on Android. It 
> contains numbers that have been formatted as text. When I copy the columns 
> into my LibreOffice Spreadsheet I want to make sure that they are interpreted 
> as numbers. 
> 
> However they come in as text and the manuals and help at Libre Office are 
> less than useful. 
> 
> https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Converting_Text_to_Numbers implies that 
> this conversion happens automatically but it sure doesn't
> 
> I found reference to a value function, but no information on how to apply it 
> to this data.
> 
>  I tried just changing the format of the cells to be number but that didn't 
> do anything at all. 
> 
> I've also attempted various styles of paste special but still it doesn't 
> work. 
> 
> There has got to be a way to quickly say this text is all really numbers and 
> get it working!
> 
> Please help
> 
 
If the numbers (formatted as text) are already saved in your 
spreadsheet, I would normally suggest a simple procedure involving 
"paste special" and multiply (by "1"). This has worked for me in 
several other spreadsheet tools.

But Calc will (currently?) fail, because Calc adds a single quotation 
mark at the beginning of the cell. So what seems to be just "1" 
(without the double quotation marks), in Calc actually is "'1" 
(without the double quotation marks, but including the single initial 
single quotation mark). If you currently don't see the initial single 
quotation mark, you could see it (in the formula bar) by copying one 
of these cells and pasting it in a new one (among other options).

This single quotation mark will even remain after changing the format 
from 'text' to 'numbers', so this is what makes the solution less 
than simple.

You could select the relevant cells, change their format and then 
'find and replace' on that same selection. But, since this is a 
special (hidden) character, I'm not sure how to make it happen ('find 
and replace' might not find the specific character).

As a simple user, I see this "hidden" addition of the initial single 
quotation mark as a _BUG_, and as one of those basic "features" that 
work poorly in LibreOffice Calc than in several other spreadsheet 
tools. I don't know if this behavior can be "corrected" or improved.

Now, if your data is not yet imported into Calc, you can change the 
type of data from "standard" or "text" to "numbers" during the 
'import' procedure. This task is simple enough if the numbers are 
already located under the same "column" in the csv / text file that 
you use as source to import the data into Calc.

All the above comments are relevant only if you don't need to do the 
conversion in a repeatedly, scripted / batch / automatic way.

Regards,
Ady.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Jay Lozier
On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 02:56 +0200, Ady wrote: 
> > I have a spreadsheet that is the output of a SQLite Database on Android. It 
> > contains numbers that have been formatted as text. When I copy the columns 
> > into my LibreOffice Spreadsheet I want to make sure that they are 
> > interpreted as numbers. 
> > 
> > However they come in as text and the manuals and help at Libre Office are 
> > less than useful. 
> > 
> > https://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Converting_Text_to_Numbers implies that 
> > this conversion happens automatically but it sure doesn't
> > 
> > I found reference to a value function, but no information on how to apply 
> > it to this data.
> > 
> >  I tried just changing the format of the cells to be number but that didn't 
> > do anything at all. 
> > 
> > I've also attempted various styles of paste special but still it doesn't 
> > work. 
> > 
> > There has got to be a way to quickly say this text is all really numbers 
> > and get it working!
> > 
> > Please help
> > 
>  
> If the numbers (formatted as text) are already saved in your 
> spreadsheet, I would normally suggest a simple procedure involving 
> "paste special" and multiply (by "1"). This has worked for me in 
> several other spreadsheet tools.
> 
> But Calc will (currently?) fail, because Calc adds a single quotation 
> mark at the beginning of the cell. So what seems to be just "1" 
> (without the double quotation marks), in Calc actually is "'1" 
> (without the double quotation marks, but including the single initial 
> single quotation mark). If you currently don't see the initial single 
> quotation mark, you could see it (in the formula bar) by copying one 
> of these cells and pasting it in a new one (among other options).
> 
> This single quotation mark will even remain after changing the format 
> from 'text' to 'numbers', so this is what makes the solution less 
> than simple.
> 
> You could select the relevant cells, change their format and then 
> 'find and replace' on that same selection. But, since this is a 
> special (hidden) character, I'm not sure how to make it happen ('find 
> and replace' might not find the specific character).
> 
> As a simple user, I see this "hidden" addition of the initial single 
> quotation mark as a _BUG_, and as one of those basic "features" that 
> work poorly in LibreOffice Calc than in several other spreadsheet 
> tools. I don't know if this behavior can be "corrected" or improved.
> 
> Now, if your data is not yet imported into Calc, you can change the 
> type of data from "standard" or "text" to "numbers" during the 
> 'import' procedure. This task is simple enough if the numbers are 
> already located under the same "column" in the csv / text file that 
> you use as source to import the data into Calc.
> 
> All the above comments are relevant only if you don't need to do the 
> conversion in a repeatedly, scripted / batch / automatic way.
> 
> Regards,
> Ady.
> 
Hi,

If you are importing a txt or csv file into Calc you can use INSERT >>
SHEET FROM FILE. The first part of the wizard will you can click OK. The
second dialog has a section "Other Options". In this section check
"Detect Special Numbers". There is a preview screen which shows what the
data will look like. If the column has the same data type (numbers,
text, datetime) Calc will convert the raw text into a more appropriate
data type. Also, once checkbox is selected, Calc will remember the
setting for subsequent imports.

This may be easier than cut/paste special.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Brian Barker

At 14:57 10/11/2013 -0700, Oogie McGuire wrote:
I have a spreadsheet that is the output of a SQLite Database on 
Android. It contains numbers that have been formatted as text. When 
I copy the columns into my LibreOffice Spreadsheet I want to make 
sure that they are interpreted as numbers. However they come in as 
text and the manuals and help at Libre Office are less than useful.


I found reference to a value function, but no information on how to 
apply it to this data.  I tried just changing the format of the 
cells to be number but that didn't do anything at all.  I've also 
attempted various styles of paste special but still it doesn't 
work.  There has got to be a way to quickly say this text is all 
really numbers and get it working!


There are various ways to do this, and you may want to experiment in 
order to discover what suits your work flow.


The VALUE() function?  Yes, you can use that:
o In a spare column, row, or range (as appropriate), or even on 
another sheet, enter =VALUE(Xn) - where Xn is the start of the range.
o Fill the formula down the column, along the row, or through the 
range.  You now have a copy of your data - but as numbers, not text.
o If desired, copy the numeric values and paste them back over the 
originals, but using Edit | Paste Special... (or right-click | Paste 
Special... or Ctrl+Shift+V) instead of ordinary Paste.
o In the Paste Special dialogue, remove the tick from "Paste all" if 
necessary and ensure that Numbers and Formats are ticked but Formulas 
is not ticked.
o You can now delete the temporary values or delete their rows or 
columns if you wish.


No, changing the format of the cells will not help: a cell's format 
affects the way its value is displayed and the way inserted values 
are handled, but not the actual contents of the cell.


Another easy way is via a comma-separated-value file.  Save the sheet 
with your rogue text values using File | Save As... and selecting 
"Text CSV (.csv)" for "Save as type:".  Now open the resulting 
(temporary, scratch) CSV file in LibreOffice and you will have 
numeric values that you can copy where you need them.  Yes - as has 
already been suggested - you could alternatively import the CSV file 
as an additional sheet in your existing spreadsheet document.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Paul
On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 02:56:51 +0200
Ady  wrote:

> As a simple user, I see this "hidden" addition of the initial single 
> quotation mark as a _BUG_, and as one of those basic "features" that 
> work poorly in LibreOffice Calc than in several other spreadsheet 
> tools. I don't know if this behavior can be "corrected" or improved.

As far as I understand it, the "hidden" initial quotation mark is what
marks the contents of the cell as text. This is the same in MS Excel,
IIRC. So basically, this isn't a bug, but intended behaviour, to give
you a way to specify that a number should be interpreted as text and
not as a number.

For example, if you enter "0283", the leading zero will always be
stripped, because it is interpreted as a number and the leading zero is
superfluous, but if you enter "'0283", then this means you have entered
a text string and the leading zero is kept. The format of the cell
doesn't change this behavior, it only changes the *display* of the
contents, not the interpretation of the contents. At least, as I
understand it.

Paul

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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Ady
> If you are importing a txt or csv file into Calc you can use INSERT >>
> SHEET FROM FILE. The first part of the wizard will you can click OK. The
> second dialog has a section "Other Options". In this section check
> "Detect Special Numbers". There is a preview screen which shows what the
> data will look like. If the column has the same data type (numbers,
> text, datetime) Calc will convert the raw text into a more appropriate
> data type. Also, once checkbox is selected, Calc will remember the
> setting for subsequent imports.
> 
> This may be easier than cut/paste special.
> -- 
 
Yes, as I said, if there is still a need to 'import', that's simple 
enough. But if the data is already in a spreadsheet, there is a 
well-known "paste special" simple procedure. It works in other (more 
than one) spreadsheet tools and usually is fast enough. The more 
important matter is that LO Calc is making this simple conversion 
more complicated than necessary.

I wonder if this should be reported as a bug / enhancement, so the 
behavior is changed / improved. Any comment from Calc developers 
would be really appreciated.

Regards,
Ady.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Brian Barker

At 14:57 10/11/2013 -0700, Oogie McGuire wrote:
I have a spreadsheet that is the output of a SQLite Database on 
Android. It contains numbers that have been formatted as text. When 
I copy the columns into my LibreOffice Spreadsheet I want to make 
sure that they are interpreted as numbers. However they come in as 
text and the manuals and help at Libre Office are less than useful.


I found reference to a value function, but no information on how to 
apply it to this data.  I tried just changing the format of the 
cells to be number but that didn't do anything at all.  I've also 
attempted various styles of paste special but still it doesn't 
work.  There has got to be a way to quickly say this text is all 
really numbers and get it working!


Oh, here's another way:
o Ensure that the cells with your rogue values are actually formatted 
as numbers.  (No, that won't solve your problem, but bear with me.)

o Select the cells.
o Search for .* and replace with & - but click More Options and tick 
"Current selection only" and "Regular expressions".  The text values 
are reinserted in their cells, but are also reinterpreted - as numbers.


I trust this (also) helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Brian Barker

At 02:56 11/11/2013 +0200, Ady Noname wrote:
If the numbers (formatted as text) are already saved in your 
spreadsheet, I would normally suggest a simple procedure involving 
"paste special" and multiply (by "1"). This has worked for me in 
several other spreadsheet tools. But Calc will (currently?) fail, 
because Calc adds a single quotation mark at the beginning of the 
cell. So what seems to be just "1" (without the double quotation 
marks), in Calc actually is "'1" (without the double quotation 
marks, but including the single initial single quotation mark).


No, the reason this fails is because you are trying to multiply text 
by a number.  If this worked, the original problem would not exist: 
the user would be able to involve his text values in mathematical 
formulae directly.  And it's wrong to think of that leading single 
quotation mark as actually being in the cell.  Preceding a numeric 
value by a quotation mark is how you indicate in typing that you want 
the value to remain as text and that you do not want the value 
interpreted as a number.  It's also the way that values shown in the 
Input Line that might appear to be numbers are indicated actually to 
be text.  But there is no quote in the cell.


You could select the relevant cells, change their format and then 
'find and replace' on that same selection. But, since this is a 
special (hidden) character, I'm not sure how to make it happen 
('find and replace' might not find the specific character).


Indeed: it won't find it because it's not there!

As a simple user, I see this "hidden" addition of the initial single 
quotation mark as a _BUG_, and as one of those basic "features" that 
work poorly in LibreOffice Calc than in several other spreadsheet 
tools. I don't know if this behavior can be "corrected" or improved.


Aaargh!  The quotation mark is not added to the cell, but is used to 
indicate that you have preserved the value as text, not had it 
interpreted as a number.  That's most definitely a feature, not a 
bug!  There are genuine uses for this: if you live in Newark, New 
Jersey, USA, your ZIP code may be the five-character text string 
07102.  But the postal system will not like your misrepresenting this 
as 7102 - the number seven thousand, one hundred and two.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Ady
> > As a simple user, I see this "hidden" addition of the initial single 
> > quotation mark as a _BUG_, and as one of those basic "features" that 
> > work poorly in LibreOffice Calc than in several other spreadsheet 
> > tools. I don't know if this behavior can be "corrected" or improved.
> 
> As far as I understand it, the "hidden" initial quotation mark is what
> marks the contents of the cell as text. This is the same in MS Excel,
> IIRC. So basically, this isn't a bug, but intended behaviour, to give
> you a way to specify that a number should be interpreted as text and
> not as a number.
> 
> For example, if you enter "0283", the leading zero will always be
> stripped, because it is interpreted as a number and the leading zero is
> superfluous, but if you enter "'0283", then this means you have entered
> a text string and the leading zero is kept. The format of the cell
> doesn't change this behavior, it only changes the *display* of the
> contents, not the interpretation of the contents. At least, as I
> understand it.
> 
> Paul
> 
 
Well, yes, but no :). In Excel and other spreadsheet tools, you 
could:

1_ In an auxiliary non-formatted cell, insert the number 1.
2_ Copy that auxiliary cell.
3_ Select the cells with numbers that are currently formatted as 
'text' that you want to convert.
4_ Paste special (all), multiply.
5_ Delete the auxiliary cell.

If the desired format is not just a 'general' number, then you can 
format the auxiliary cell before copying it.

This simple procedure cannot be used in Calc, just because this 
"hidden" single quotation mark. This procedure is successful in other 
spreadsheet tools that use the single quotation mark too. So, why not 
in Calc?

BTW, the quotation mark is not necessary for all cells containing 
numbers formatted as text, but that's off-topic here. My point is 
still relevant: the aforementioned procedure should be plausible in 
Calc, just as it is in other spreadsheet tools.

There are workarounds, like using the 'VALUE' function in an 
auxiliary column and then copy+paste back; yet I still wonder about 
this hidden (annoying) single quotation mark.

Regards,
Ady.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Jay Lozier
On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 03:40 +0200, Paul wrote: 
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 02:56:51 +0200
> Ady  wrote:
> 
> > As a simple user, I see this "hidden" addition of the initial single 
> > quotation mark as a _BUG_, and as one of those basic "features" that 
> > work poorly in LibreOffice Calc than in several other spreadsheet 
> > tools. I don't know if this behavior can be "corrected" or improved.
> 
> As far as I understand it, the "hidden" initial quotation mark is what
> marks the contents of the cell as text. This is the same in MS Excel,
> IIRC. So basically, this isn't a bug, but intended behaviour, to give
> you a way to specify that a number should be interpreted as text and
> not as a number.
> 
> For example, if you enter "0283", the leading zero will always be
> stripped, because it is interpreted as a number and the leading zero is
> superfluous, but if you enter "'0283", then this means you have entered
> a text string and the leading zero is kept. The format of the cell
> doesn't change this behavior, it only changes the *display* of the
> contents, not the interpretation of the contents. At least, as I
> understand it.
> 
> Paul
> 
US zip codes (postal codes) may have a leading zero.

Why not set a cell to the formula "=right(len(CELL)-1) which returns the
all the characters except for the first.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Brian Barker

At 21:17 10/11/2013 -0500, Jay Lozier wrote:
Why not set a cell to the formula =right(len(CELL)-1) which returns 
the all the characters except for the first.


That's =RIGHT(Xn;LEN(Xn)-1) - but that won't strip the single quote 
mark because it's *not there*!  The simpler formula 
=RIGHT(Xn;LEN(Xn)) would work, but that's just a complicated way of 
saying =VALUE(Xn).


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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Joel Madero

On 11/10/2013 06:32 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 21:17 10/11/2013 -0500, Jay Lozier wrote:
Why not set a cell to the formula =right(len(CELL)-1) which returns 
the all the characters except for the first.


That's =RIGHT(Xn;LEN(Xn)-1) - but that won't strip the single quote 
mark because it's *not there*!  The simpler formula =RIGHT(Xn;LEN(Xn)) 
would work, but that's just a complicated way of saying =VALUE(Xn).


Brian Barker


Why is everyone straying away from the fact that there is a simple 
extension developed by Cor (one of our brilliant devs) which 
accomplishes all of this? Just curious if there's a benefit to doing 
these formula techniques instead of just pushing a button on a nice gui



All the best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Ady
> Why not set a cell to the formula "=right(len(CELL)-1) which returns the
> all the characters except for the first.
> -- 
 
No, that won't work. You probably meant:
 =RIGHT(A1,LEN(A1)-1)

where "A1" is the 'text' cell. But that one will fail too, because 
the initial single quotation mark is not really part of the content 
of the cell. (Note: it might work in some particular situation, but 
it is not a generic method.)

The 'VALUE' method is a valid workaround, but it might be a "heavy" 
method, depending on the amount of data. I would prefer the "'paste 
special'+multiply by 1" method to work.

Regards,
Ady.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Brian Barker

At 18:43 10/11/2013 -0800, Joel Madero wrote:
Why is everyone straying away from the fact that there is a simple 
extension developed by Cor (one of our brilliant devs) which 
accomplishes all of this? Just curious if there's a benefit to doing 
these formula techniques instead of just pushing a button on a nice gui


Oh, that's easy:
1. List subscribers will have read earlier suggestions and are 
intelligent enough to ignore later ones if they prefer.
2. Different methods are appropriate in different circumstances - and 
subscribers other than the original questioner may find them helpful 
to their different needs.
3. It's important that questionable statements made on a public list 
read by many (and indeed archived) are challenged.


(Anyone is welcome to trash this message if desired!)

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Joel Madero

On 11/10/2013 07:05 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 18:43 10/11/2013 -0800, Joel Madero wrote:
Why is everyone straying away from the fact that there is a simple 
extension developed by Cor (one of our brilliant devs) which 
accomplishes all of this? Just curious if there's a benefit to doing 
these formula techniques instead of just pushing a button on a nice gui


Oh, that's easy:
1. List subscribers will have read earlier suggestions and are 
intelligent enough to ignore later ones if they prefer.
2. Different methods are appropriate in different circumstances - and 
subscribers other than the original questioner may find them helpful 
to their different needs.
3. It's important that questionable statements made on a public list 
read by many (and indeed archived) are challenged.


(Anyone is welcome to trash this message if desired!)

Brian Barker


:-D Fair enough. I was actually just curious if there is a benefit to 
the formulas over the text to number as I always use it but would change 
if there was a benefit to some other method :-D


Thanks for explaining!


All the best,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Ady
> Why is everyone straying away from the fact that there is a simple 
> extension developed by Cor (one of our brilliant devs) which 
> accomplishes all of this? Just curious if there's a benefit to doing 
> these formula techniques instead of just pushing a button on a nice gui
 
I could ask you the same type of question regarding "paste special + 
multiply by 1" method.

A user might not know of the extension, or about any extension for 
that matter. A user might not use extensions, ever. Why would anyone 
need to search, install and use an extension, when other spreadsheet 
tools can apply a well-known "multiply by 1" method?

In other words, if very simple spreadsheet tools (not just Excel) can 
use a very simple and well-known method, perhaps instead of thinking 
of how to incorporate the CT2N extension into the core in Calc, the 
same time could be invested to make Calc work "as expected" with 
"paste special"?

To be clear, I'm not complaining, just posting my thoughts.

Regards,
Ady.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Joel Madero

On 11/10/2013 07:10 PM, Ady wrote:

Why is everyone straying away from the fact that there is a simple
extension developed by Cor (one of our brilliant devs) which
accomplishes all of this? Just curious if there's a benefit to doing
these formula techniques instead of just pushing a button on a nice gui
  
I could ask you the same type of question regarding "paste special +

multiply by 1" method.

A user might not know of the extension, or about any extension for
that matter. A user might not use extensions, ever. Why would anyone
need to search, install and use an extension, when other spreadsheet
tools can apply a well-known "multiply by 1" method?

In other words, if very simple spreadsheet tools (not just Excel) can
use a very simple and well-known method, perhaps instead of thinking
of how to incorporate the CT2N extension into the core in Calc, the
same time could be invested to make Calc work "as expected" with
"paste special"?

To be clear, I'm not complaining, just posting my thoughts.

Regards,
Ady.


Thoughts are always appreciated in our community :-D


Best,
Joel

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[libreoffice-users] Re: paste special problem

2013-11-10 Thread Denis Navas Vega

El 2013-11-10 01:59 p.m., Tanstaafl escribió:

On 2013-11-10 1:26 PM, yahoo-pier_andreit  wrote:

On 11/10/2013 06:00 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

I have been having serious problems with 'Paste Special' working, then
not working, then working again, on many different spreadsheets (most if
not all created a long time ago, some as old as Openoffice 1.x)...

It is extremely annoying, and sometimes even prevents me from getting
something done.

Been meaning to post a bug, but the problem is, I have not found a
reliable way to reproduce it...



now for me is extremely reproducible, it never works:-) :-) :-) :-)
now "paste special" and alsoo "simple paste" doesn't works, they paste
only values, not formula or other
I don't know how to come back to a working situation.
may be it could be some config file to delete, but I cannot find it,
in my /home I found a ./libreoffice folder, I renamed it but nothing
change:-) :-) :-)


The very first thing I tried was deleting the .config and letting LO
create a new one... no joy...



In Windows, I have had a different but probably connected problem.  I 
copy from an application to paste in LO Calc, but the menu is greyed. 
That is, like when I have not copy anithing yet, but in reality the copy 
was done.


What works me is close and reload LO.  Then, I can copy and paste again.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey

2013-11-10 Thread Ady

> Hello,
> 
> As there were some exchanges about the survey here and as I advertised
> it on this mailing list as well, I thought you might be interested by
> my initial analysis:
> http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2013/11/10/users-the-final-frontier/
> 
> Thank you for your participation!
> 
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If I may...

There are many ways for users to communicate: LibreOffice forum, Ask 
LibreOffice, several LibreOffice mailing lists, Nabble, wiki, 
Bugzilla, and several irc channels. The problem is, IMHO, they are 
sometimes "too many" and "too complicated". Let me explain with a 
simple example.

In the release notes for LO 4.1.3, it said that the release was bit 
by bit the same as "RC3". Well, that was incorrect, as it is the same 
as 4.1.3.2, a.k.a. RC2 (there was no 4.1.3.3). What a casual reader 
needs to do if he happens to catch the "typo"? Can he easily report 
the one-character mistake? Does anyone think that this typo deserves 
opening a new bug report in Bugzilla?

For each contact method mentioned above (each ML, Nabble, wiki, 
Bugzilla, forum,...), a user needs to go through an additional sign 
up, sometimes requiring multiple steps. In our example (RC3 typo), do 
you think a casual reader would go through a sign up process just to 
report one wrong character?

Just as an example, I am subscribed to the users ML, and I found 
annoying to go through additional sign-ups for Nabble. I can 
understand that there might be relevant reasons for this; but it is 
still annoying :). On the other hand, if a user is interested in 
Writer only, having to receive emails regarding Draw (or anything 
else than Writer) is one reason not to subscribe to the users ML. So 
perhaps separated per-program lists should be available, instead of 
one unified "users" ML? (I am not necessarily recommending it; just 
mentioning such potential situation.)

Then we have several irc channels, but none of those channels 
targeted to users are really active, ever (e.g. #libreoffice and/or 
#libreoffice-qa). So what's the point of publishing the "existence" 
of those irc channels if they are not really open with someone from 
the LibreOffice Team being present in the channel? I'm not saying 
answers should be "on real time". For irc to be relevant for users, 
someone at least should maintain the channel open and saving logs, 
checking it once a day or so. This is one contact method that could 
be easily used to report the typo mentioned in our example.

One day is one typo, another day is another typo. Then there is some 
minor low-priority bug in the installer (e.g adding a link to the 
desktop even when the user unchecked the corresponding box during the 
installation process). Then the wiki might need some little 
correction or update... For each minor issue, a user could just think 
"not worth going through all the sign up troubles for each different 
service". As a consequence, none of those little corrections are 
reported / performed.

What's the point of "Ask LibreOffice" if each question is seen, say, 
3 times in a one week period? Most questions are unanswered. 
Similarly with LibreOffice forum. A user might not bother to sign up 
to such a method that is hardly ever used by relevant users; and if 
it goes through it anyway and no answer is provided (as it is the 
case with most "Ask LibreOffice" topics), it would probably generate 
a rejection response towards LibreOffice.

If a user signs up and opens a bug report, that's because it is 
significant for him. Is this procedure relevant if the bug report is 
left unanswered for 2 years? Is this user going to keep reporting 
additional bugs? Evidently, solving bugs requires man power, so 
finding a simpler method to report "you have a st*pid typo" might 
help reduce wasted time, for both developers and users.

So, making the contact methods more relevant, easier (unified?) sign 
up procedures and actually maintaining "active" and relevant the 
different contact channels would contribute to receive more feedback 
and eventually reduce wasted time.

I am writing not to complain, but to voice my personal view of some 
of the ways to improve user's involvement in LibreOffice. I admit I 
am not sure if any of these changes would be the most effective use 
of man-power, so I'm not going to call these "recommendations". These 
might be potential considerations for potential improvements. Whether 
they are _effective_ use of man-power, I don't really know.

Thank you and Best Regards,
Ady.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: paste special problem

2013-11-10 Thread Steve Edmonds


On 2013-11-11 17:09, Denis Navas Vega wrote:

El 2013-11-10 01:59 p.m., Tanstaafl escribió:

On 2013-11-10 1:26 PM, yahoo-pier_andreit  wrote:

On 11/10/2013 06:00 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

I have been having serious problems with 'Paste Special' working, then
not working, then working again, on many different spreadsheets 
(most if

not all created a long time ago, some as old as Openoffice 1.x)...

It is extremely annoying, and sometimes even prevents me from getting
something done.

Been meaning to post a bug, but the problem is, I have not found a
reliable way to reproduce it...



now for me is extremely reproducible, it never works:-) :-) :-) :-)
now "paste special" and alsoo "simple paste" doesn't works, they paste
only values, not formula or other
I don't know how to come back to a working situation.
may be it could be some config file to delete, but I cannot find it,
in my /home I found a ./libreoffice folder, I renamed it but nothing
change:-) :-) :-)


The very first thing I tried was deleting the .config and letting LO
create a new one... no joy...



In Windows, I have had a different but probably connected problem.  I 
copy from an application to paste in LO Calc, but the menu is greyed. 
That is, like when I have not copy anithing yet, but in reality the 
copy was done.


What works me is close and reload LO.  Then, I can copy and paste again
Hi. I found on linux the clip board settings can affect pasting. I don't 
have it completely figured. I had it at one time that ctl-V would paste 
the formula the first time and then the text value the next paste. Now 
it pastes formula each time.

Steve

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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Le 10/11/2013 22:57, Oogie McGuire a écrit :
> I have a spreadsheet that is the output of a SQLite Database on
> Android. It contains numbers that have been formatted as text. When I
> copy the columns into my LibreOffice Spreadsheet I want to make sure
> that they are interpreted as numbers.

This will do quite easily:

Call the menu Data / Numbers as text (freely translated from my FR
install) then just click OK in the window that opens without changing
anything. This should do the trick.


Another way I often use when the import is made on a regular basis, is
to create what I call an "exploitation sheet".

You create a new spreadsheet and insert data there from the spreadsheet
you got from the import. The formulas will then look like
='file:///home/jf/Documents/Imports/MyImport.ods'#$'Sheet1'.A2
Then copy down and right and you're set.

What is interesting is that you may add some data handling when linking
the cells: you may have
=CNUM('file:///home/jf/Documents/Imports/MyImport.ods'#$'Sheet1'.A2)
which would automagically convert the text data into numerical data
without having to bother each and every time a new import comes.
You may also ignore any superfluous column, and so on.

For the ease of use, make sure to have both spreadsheets in the same
directory.

Note that:
-- this works only if the imported data is consistent (same columns at
the same place) and the data file must be uniformly named.
-- the imported data must be in a real file on disk.


HTH,
-- 
Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux

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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
ooops! forgot to specify the first step:

1. select the column to set as numbers first.

Le 11/11/2013 07:03, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
> 

2. do that:

> Call the menu Data / Numbers as text (freely translated from my FR
> install) then just click OK in the window that opens without changing
> anything. This should do the trick.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Brian Barker

At 07:03 11/11/2013 +0100, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
Call the menu Data / Numbers as text (freely translated from my FR 
install) ...


In English, that's Data | Text to Columns... .

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] CALC convert text to numbers

2013-11-10 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Le 11/11/2013 07:44, Brian Barker a écrit :
> At 07:03 11/11/2013 +0100, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
>> Call the menu Data / Numbers as text (freely translated from my FR
>> install) ...
> 
> In English, that's Data | Text to Columns... .
> 

thanks!

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