Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
On 05/11/2014 03:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I'm curious to find out what components of LO are used most by the people on this list. I think it helps to know different folks' area of experience. It might also help us in learning new ways to integrate the different components. For myself, my approximate usage is: Writer (85% of my use of LO) Calc(10%) Impress (3%, Maybe four to five presentations a year) Base (once a year to print out labels for my Christmas cards) Draw (What's that?) Virgil Virgil, I have a considerable background in inferential statistics, and have done formal survey research, in a variety of social and cultural contexts. I want to warn you that this sort of self-select, opt-in survey is NOT the way to go, if your question is serious. You ARE only going to get a subset (sample) of your population of interest, and you'll have no way to relate that subset to the population, thus no way to draw any valid conclusions from the subset. It's pseudo-research, which creates the impression of creating knowledge without actually doing so. Just something for you, and others, to think about. Hope it's helpful. Tom -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
Hello, Writer: 80% Calc: 15% Impress: 5% Base: 0% Draw: 0% J-Marc -Message d'origine- From: Walther Koehler Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 6:55 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most? Hallo, what is percentage indicating: time or importance? I use the writer among other reasons because I know i have a calc, a date base, a presentation and even a drawing program at hand without learning the basics again (where sit the files an my PC, how are printers linked in,...) i.e. a complete suite % Time Importance Writer 95 50 medical reports Calc 15 15 banking, business statitics, Impress 3/a 15 lectures Base 5 15 controlling, taxes, ... Draw 0 5 signs Walther -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
Hi :) It's just a just for fun survey of what people think they use. The modules can't be split up and removing any wouldn't reduce the code=base by much at all so the usual sinister hidden-agendas behind this sort of question are entirely absent. It's just for fun. For a lot of us this sort of thing is very difficult because answering would require us have really measured usage and give accurate answers rather than guesses. It's the type of question that neurotypicals and mainstream-press articles seem to enjoy but that are ultimately fairly pointless. It's just for fun and it's interesting to see people's estimates of what they do and to see how they handle giving answers to this sort of thing. http://musingsofanaspie.com/2013/01/10/what-is-neurotypical/ If we wanted a formal vote then there are various tools such as Survey Monkey, or we could set-up something in LinuxQuestions.Org or Ask LO or somewhere. Regards from Tom :) On 13 May 2014 06:06, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/11/2014 03:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I'm curious to find out what components of LO are used most by the people on this list. I think it helps to know different folks' area of experience. It might also help us in learning new ways to integrate the different components. For myself, my approximate usage is: Writer (85% of my use of LO) Calc(10%) Impress (3%, Maybe four to five presentations a year) Base (once a year to print out labels for my Christmas cards) Draw (What's that?) Virgil Virgil, I have a considerable background in inferential statistics, and have done formal survey research, in a variety of social and cultural contexts. I want to warn you that this sort of self-select, opt-in survey is NOT the way to go, if your question is serious. You ARE only going to get a subset (sample) of your population of interest, and you'll have no way to relate that subset to the population, thus no way to draw any valid conclusions from the subset. It's pseudo-research, which creates the impression of creating knowledge without actually doing so. Just something for you, and others, to think about. Hope it's helpful. Tom -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
Tom, Good morning. I bothered to comment at all about this for a three reasons. First, I have a long standing serious interest inductive logic - as you know, this is the logic upon which all scientific endeavor depends. Not a fun topic for me, but a vitally serious and important one. Second, I see an enormous number of these opt-in surveys - commercial enterprises and websites are doing them all the time. People participate as if something meaningful is happening. But it isn't. One ends up with data that has no known or identifiable relationship to any population of interest. It's all a big ruse. It APPEARS as if someone is seriously ignorant about what they're doing. OR, these efforts are a disingenuous attempt merely to induce customer involvement in an activity that brings them into contact with the brand. Third, as a cultural anthropologist (my first serious intellectual commitment, before clinical psychology), I'm keenly aware that there is a base of cultural knowledge in all societies. In the 16th and 17th century, that knowledge included the fact that witches were real and that at times they constituted a genuine threat to society. In our own time, respect for expertise, science, and real knowledge is such that all major potential presidential candidates for one of our two political parties are busy either disavowing the reality of rapid climate change or that it has anything to do with human activity. Scientists be damned - full speed ahead. God wants profits, not sustainable economies! That last one scares me half out of my mind. My species may not have what it takes to survive in the long run. So, it appears that one of my principal roles in this world is to be an educator, whenever and where I can. I don't think Virgil is doing this for fun. I don't think the respondents think their responses are meaningless. Seriously now: who in their right mind is interested in the practices of those who bother to respond to this would-be survey? What possible importance can be attached, at all, to their responses? I don't get it. If there isn't some degree of belief that this matters (which is cannot, as I've previously explained), what's the point? So, I am induced to think that they really DO belief that this has significance, and so I posted what I did. That's what's behind my post, for what it's worth. I could be completely cynical and just shake my head and move on. I choose not to. About other matters, I'll respond, next, now that I'm up and half way through my first cup of coffee! Tom On 05/13/2014 05:48 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's just a just for fun survey of what people think they use. The modules can't be split up and removing any wouldn't reduce the code=base by much at all so the usual sinister hidden-agendas behind this sort of question are entirely absent. It's just for fun. For a lot of us this sort of thing is very difficult because answering would require us have really measured usage and give accurate answers rather than guesses. It's the type of question that neurotypicals and mainstream-press articles seem to enjoy but that are ultimately fairly pointless. It's just for fun and it's interesting to see people's estimates of what they do and to see how they handle giving answers to this sort of thing. http://musingsofanaspie.com/2013/01/10/what-is-neurotypical/ If we wanted a formal vote then there are various tools such as Survey Monkey, or we could set-up something in LinuxQuestions.Org or Ask LO or somewhere. Regards from Tom :) On 13 May 2014 06:06, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com mailto:tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/11/2014 03:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I'm curious to find out what components of LO are used most by the people on this list. I think it helps to know different folks' area of experience. It might also help us in learning new ways to integrate the different components. For myself, my approximate usage is: Writer (85% of my use of LO) Calc(10%) Impress (3%, Maybe four to five presentations a year) Base (once a year to print out labels for my Christmas cards) Draw (What's that?) Virgil Virgil, I have a considerable background in inferential statistics, and have done formal survey research, in a variety of social and cultural contexts. I want to warn you that this sort of self-select, opt-in survey is NOT the way to go, if your question is serious. You ARE only going to get a subset (sample) of your population of interest, and you'll have no way to relate that subset to the population, thus no way to draw any valid conclusions from the subset. It's pseudo-research, which creates the impression of creating knowledge without actually doing so. Just something for you, and others, to think about.
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
Yes, Tom D., this was just for fun, and given the response from so many people, I think most have taken it in the way I intended. Virgil On 05/13/2014 07:48 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's just a just for fun survey of what people think they use. The modules can't be split up and removing any wouldn't reduce the code=base by much at all so the usual sinister hidden-agendas behind this sort of question are entirely absent. It's just for fun. For a lot of us this sort of thing is very difficult because answering would require us have really measured usage and give accurate answers rather than guesses. It's the type of question that neurotypicals and mainstream-press articles seem to enjoy but that are ultimately fairly pointless. It's just for fun and it's interesting to see people's estimates of what they do and to see how they handle giving answers to this sort of thing. http://musingsofanaspie.com/2013/01/10/what-is-neurotypical/ If we wanted a formal vote then there are various tools such as Survey Monkey, or we could set-up something in LinuxQuestions.Org or Ask LO or somewhere. Regards from Tom :) On 13 May 2014 06:06, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/11/2014 03:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I'm curious to find out what components of LO are used most by the people on this list. I think it helps to know different folks' area of experience. It might also help us in learning new ways to integrate the different components. For myself, my approximate usage is: Writer (85% of my use of LO) Calc(10%) Impress (3%, Maybe four to five presentations a year) Base (once a year to print out labels for my Christmas cards) Draw (What's that?) Virgil Virgil, I have a considerable background in inferential statistics, and have done formal survey research, in a variety of social and cultural contexts. I want to warn you that this sort of self-select, opt-in survey is NOT the way to go, if your question is serious. You ARE only going to get a subset (sample) of your population of interest, and you'll have no way to relate that subset to the population, thus no way to draw any valid conclusions from the subset. It's pseudo-research, which creates the impression of creating knowledge without actually doing so. Just something for you, and others, to think about. Hope it's helpful. Tom -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
Useless or not :-) Going by the number of files used, Calc = 90% Writer = 9% Base = 1% And yet, I consider that one base file the most important. I also have a few files that I work with in Corel. When I have time, I will switch them over to Draw, but for now I have other things to do. I have not used Impress or Math yet, but am sure I will find use for them one of these days. Ruth Ann, Cincinnati, OH USA -- *This e-mail is a natural product made from Recycled electrons. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects Ruth Ann Stewart, Cincinnati, OH dba Cameo Canine www.CameoCanine.com came...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [SOLVED] print table without internal borders
Thank you!!! That helped and I was finally able to get it right. (I did not sent a file attachment, since to the best of my knowledge, that is prohibited by the netiquette / and attachments are stripped automatically; maybe next time) Thomas (2014/05/13 14:24), Dave Barton wrote: Thomas wrote: (2014/05/12 20:19), Brian Barker wrote: At 19:45 12/05/2014 +0900, you wrote: I'm not sure what you can mean by etc.: what else did you do, then? ... but so far no setting has changed how the table looks in the print preview. If you turn off the lines for a table, you should see the result in Print Preview. I just cannot figure it out. A few suggestions: o If you select a cell range before you turn off table boundaries, your action will affect only those cells: other cells will retain their borders. Is that what you did? o Do you have a single table or are there actually a number of adjacent tables? (If you inherited this document, you may not know how it was constructed.) If so, you'll need to adjust the borders on all of them. o Do you have a table within another table? o Do you really have not a table but a set of frames? Or frames within a table? o Do you actually have a picture of a table, perhaps imported from another application? I trust this helps. Brian Barker - privately Maybe I need to specify: I myself created ONE table in a Writer document. No images, no frames etc. Started with 6 columns and about 30 rows. Joined a few cells in the upper portion (to make more room for entries like address etc). Below there are the 6 colums and 14 rows. For THIS block - part of the ONE table - I would like to make the lines inside the table disappear (or at least NOT print) and retain only the border that surrounds the whole table. Yet, (so far) regardless of what cell/block of cells I select and what option pertaining to borders, lines etc. I choose ... NONE has ANY effect on the appearance of that table. Is that not a little strange? Hi Thomas, What makes it /strange/, or I should say difficult, is that we cannot see your document or know what options you are using. I am attaching a sample document (which may be removed by the list server) in the form of a mini-tutorial. Please follow the steps in that document using a new document of your own and write back to the list (not directly to me) and let us know if this works for you or not. This will give us some idea if the problem is in your existing document, or in the options you have been using. Regards Dave - (Writing Publicly Brian) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
Hi :) Actually a mainstream press article might lead with a heading such as Which module is best and then make dumb remarks such as Writer doesn't handle pivot tables quite so well as Calc so therefore Calc is the best. Such an article would carefully avoid pointing out that each module is the best for a specific set of purposes. We see many articles weighing up which is best distro or which is best OpenOffice or LibreOffice (or google-docs or AbiwordGnumeric, AndrOffice). The aim usually seems to be to suggest that it is possible to make a wrong choice that becomes irrevocable. Virgil neatly dodged that sort of idiocy. Making these tools seem fragmented rather than all part of the same eco-system and able to fully co-operate with each other plays into the hands of proprietary giants that dominate markets and squish all opposition. Having a more open market means people can choose tools that suit a specific set of circumstances and still work with others who may have made different choices. Regards from Tom :) On 13 May 2014 12:48, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) It's just a just for fun survey of what people think they use. The modules can't be split up and removing any wouldn't reduce the code=base by much at all so the usual sinister hidden-agendas behind this sort of question are entirely absent. It's just for fun. For a lot of us this sort of thing is very difficult because answering would require us have really measured usage and give accurate answers rather than guesses. It's the type of question that neurotypicals and mainstream-press articles seem to enjoy but that are ultimately fairly pointless. It's just for fun and it's interesting to see people's estimates of what they do and to see how they handle giving answers to this sort of thing. http://musingsofanaspie.com/2013/01/10/what-is-neurotypical/ If we wanted a formal vote then there are various tools such as Survey Monkey, or we could set-up something in LinuxQuestions.Org or Ask LO or somewhere. Regards from Tom :) On 13 May 2014 06:06, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/11/2014 03:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I'm curious to find out what components of LO are used most by the people on this list. I think it helps to know different folks' area of experience. It might also help us in learning new ways to integrate the different components. For myself, my approximate usage is: Writer (85% of my use of LO) Calc(10%) Impress (3%, Maybe four to five presentations a year) Base (once a year to print out labels for my Christmas cards) Draw (What's that?) Virgil Virgil, I have a considerable background in inferential statistics, and have done formal survey research, in a variety of social and cultural contexts. I want to warn you that this sort of self-select, opt-in survey is NOT the way to go, if your question is serious. You ARE only going to get a subset (sample) of your population of interest, and you'll have no way to relate that subset to the population, thus no way to draw any valid conclusions from the subset. It's pseudo-research, which creates the impression of creating knowledge without actually doing so. Just something for you, and others, to think about. Hope it's helpful. Tom -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
On Tue, 13 May 2014, Tom Cloyd wrote: [...] I don't think Virgil is doing this for fun. I don't think the respondents think their responses are meaningless. Seriously now: who in their right mind is interested in the practices of those who bother to respond to this would-be survey? What possible importance can be attached, at all, to their responses? I don't get it. If there isn't some degree of belief that this matters (which is cannot, as I've previously explained), what's the point? it's called 'getting acquainted with people in a group'. people do this at parties too. hard to see what's objectionable about it unless one doesn't like parties. (I don't mean political parties.) F. -- Felmon Davis Grief can take care of itself; but to get the full value of a joy you must have somebody to divide it with. -- Mark Twain -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
On 05/13/2014 10:16 AM, Tom Davies wrote: I think it is helping because it helps us understand what kind of level of expertise we can expect from certain posters. So when i try to answer questions about Calc, or Base there are clearly limits on how much i understand or have stumbled through myself. That was part of my thought process in asking the question. In the past, for example, we have discussed the relative merits of paragraph styles. Some of us love them; some of us hate them. My (totally unscientific) guess is that styles lovers will tend to be primarily Writer users and styles haters will tend to be primarily Calc users (or Base, but it seems that *nobody* primarily uses Base). If I know that a user is a 95% Calc user, then it will do me little good to try to convince them to set up a bunch of Writer paragraph styles. They don't have time for that, just like I don't have time to learn the power moves of Calc--I just don't use it enough to justify that type of investment. So, as we discuss various topics, it will helpful (at least for me) to know that awe for the power of Writer may not be shared by one who emphasizes Calc. It also underscores for me the immensity of our office suite. To make it do wonderful things, we must learn it, but it's like trying to comprehend the universe. I doubt that any single human being truly understands it, which is why a list like this is so helpful (aspergers, OCD and all). Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] OT: Social competence and technical competence (Re: Installing windows explorer extension only)
The ones where Urmas does help are often highly technical. That raises the question of whether Urmas is a dev and just socially clumsy as so many are. Apparently Microsoft have recognised that many engineers and devs have high functioning aspergers syndrome or, even further along the spectrum, autism and that where both parents have such conditions their children are much more likely to have the condition(s). So apparently MS health insurance covers the cost of their employees getting their children tested for just those sorts of condition(s). Mainstream society seems to consider such conditions as disabilities but it seems that in some cases they can actually be a benefit, as long as you can accept the social awkwardness and social clumsiness that comes with the turf. Going out into the wider IT community many of us probably have OCD traits and other conditions but often at such low levels that we might not notice it. Again a lot of this might help with the work we do but probably doesn't help us be sociably adept. So i think we have to accept interesting oddities in the way we and the people around us behave in order to benefit from the thing we/they are good at. tongue in cheek You want to bitch about social skills of engineers? I definitely don't want to and won't bitch about the social skills, much less the technical skills of braindead slimy weasels who don't have a clue of elementary analytical-deductive logics and don't care to get one, but still arrogate to judge as well as perpetrate their pervert sadistic narcissistic imperiousness over those who happen to have a higher IQ than a gully cover. Because anything I could say about those apparent hominid lifeforms, no matter what words I use, would just be a recklessly embellishing, dangerously softening euphemism. FYI: *High intelligence* together with *honesty*, *sincerity*, *authenticity* and *frank speech* aren't disabilities on the *senders'* side. Anyone who's so cognitively challenged and pampered in their psychotic self-delusion that they can't and don't want to take facts the way they are better learn the social skills to deal with physical reality and stop shooting the messenger, i.e. those who already have them. Because we others are pretty well fed up with wasting our precious lifetime and brain bandwidth shielding you useless heaps of biomass from the Darwin effect. /tongue in cheek ;- Very sincerely, Wolfgang who keeps feeling like Nunez in the Country of the Blind when socially interacting with the very vast majority of conspecifics -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
On 05/13/2014 11:25 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 05/13/2014 10:16 AM, Tom Davies wrote: I think it is helping because it helps us understand what kind of level of expertise we can expect from certain posters. So when i try to answer questions about Calc, or Base there are clearly limits on how much i understand or have stumbled through myself. That was part of my thought process in asking the question. In the past, for example, we have discussed the relative merits of paragraph styles. Some of us love them; some of us hate them. My (totally unscientific) guess is that styles lovers will tend to be primarily Writer users and styles haters will tend to be primarily Calc users (or Base, but it seems that *nobody* primarily uses Base). Actually, no one has yet to respond that primarily uses Base. You would probably say that I don't either considering the amount of time that I use Writer. Yet, my primary use of LibreOffice is writing what should become the future Base Guide. I am also experimenting with Base to see all of the things that it can do. Then there are the personal uses I have for Base. The purpose of a database is to store data and then access or manipulate the date to obtain information that is needed. Just some of the databases that I use includes Bible study, schedules, grocery lists, medical tests, financial (income and expenses), calories consumed (amount by food type, record of the over a period of time), and utility consumption including statistics about it. the queries in these databases can reveal quite a bit of information. --Dan If I know that a user is a 95% Calc user, then it will do me little good to try to convince them to set up a bunch of Writer paragraph styles. They don't have time for that, just like I don't have time to learn the power moves of Calc--I just don't use it enough to justify that type of investment. So, as we discuss various topics, it will helpful (at least for me) to know that awe for the power of Writer may not be shared by one who emphasizes Calc. It also underscores for me the immensity of our office suite. To make it do wonderful things, we must learn it, but it's like trying to comprehend the universe. I doubt that any single human being truly understands it, which is why a list like this is so helpful (aspergers, OCD and all). Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] ss not expanding excel csv sheet to multiple columns
I have a vendor who allows me to download a spreadsheet of my monthly invoice. If she downloads it to herself, in the CSV format, she gets 1 field per column in Excel. If I download the sheet in the CSV format, I get all of the fields in 1 column. See headings below from libreoffice. Hardware Identifier,Device Type,Price,Initial Service Start Date,Station Account,Customer First Name,Customer Last Name I tried to save it in one of the excel formats, no change. Thoughts? John -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] ss not expanding excel csv sheet to multiple columns
2014-05-13 20:32 GMT+02:00 John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net: I have a vendor who allows me to download a spreadsheet of my monthly invoice. If she downloads it to herself, in the CSV format, she gets 1 field per column in Excel. If I download the sheet in the CSV format, I get all of the fields in 1 column. See headings below from libreoffice. Hardware Identifier,Device Type,Price,Initial Service Start Date,Station Account,Customer First Name,Customer Last Name When you open a CSV file, a dialog appear asking you for many options. From the look of your post, you have to choose Separated by, Comma, and set Text delimiter to double quote (). You can try this, but to be sure having the actual csv file, even with only the first lines, would be useful (unless it contains sensitive data of course). -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
On 05/13/2014 02:29 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: Actually, no one has yet to respond that primarily uses Base. You would probably say that I don't either considering the amount of time that I use Writer. Yet, my primary use of LibreOffice is writing what should become the future Base Guide. I am also experimenting with Base to see all of the things that it can do. Then there are the personal uses I have for Base. The purpose of a database is to store data and then access or manipulate the date to obtain information that is needed. Just some of the databases that I use includes Bible study, schedules, grocery lists, medical tests, financial (income and expenses), calories consumed (amount by food type, record of the over a period of time), and utility consumption including statistics about it. the queries in these databases can reveal quite a bit of information. Dan, Thanks for the ideas about Base. I've used it for arranging and printing mailing lists, but I haven't gone beyond that. I can only imagine what I'm missing by doing something manually that might be better done with Base. I'm intrigued in how you use it for Bible study. My Sunday school notes are typically a mass of disconnected thoughts written in Writer. If Base can help organize this, I'd love to learn it. I look forward to your Base Guide Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
Here's mine: % TimeImportance Writer 95 95 Homework research projects Calc5 5 banking Impress 0 0N/A Base 0 0 N/A Draw 0 0 N/A On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Walther Koehler walt...@fsfe.org wrote: Hallo, what is percentage indicating: time or importance? I use the writer among other reasons because I know i have a calc, a date base, a presentation and even a drawing program at hand without learning the basics again (where sit the files an my PC, how are printers linked in,...) i.e. a complete suite % TimeImportance Writer 95 50 medical reports Calc15 15 banking, business statitics, Impress 3/a 15 lectures Base5 15 controlling, taxes, ... Draw0 5 signs Walther -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jerry Van Brimmer -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
Hello, I use Base EVERY DAY! I mentioned before that I manage a wind band and this means storing info about pieces of music, players, arrangers, business contacts, uniforms, attendance at practices and performances (for statistical and money reasons), supporting members, musical programmes and many more things. For zillions of reasons (such as only storing pieces of information once and ONLY once as against scattering info (such as names, addresses, telephone numbers or e-mail addresses) across dozens of spreadsheets), databases are the logical way to go. Base is one of the indispensable links between the pieces of the puzzle. So - I use Writer, Calc and Base in an integrated way every day and couldn't imagine leaving out ANY of the pieces of the puzzle. Regards H. S. On Tue, 13 May 2014 21:13:33 +0200, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: On 05/13/2014 02:29 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: Actually, no one has yet to respond that primarily uses Base. You would probably say that I don't either considering the amount of time that I use Writer. Yet, my primary use of LibreOffice is writing what should become the future Base Guide. I am also experimenting with Base to see all of the things that it can do. Then there are the personal uses I have for Base. The purpose of a database is to store data and then access or manipulate the date to obtain information that is needed. Just some of the databases that I use includes Bible study, schedules, grocery lists, medical tests, financial (income and expenses), calories consumed (amount by food type, record of the over a period of time), and utility consumption including statistics about it. the queries in these databases can reveal quite a bit of information. Dan, Thanks for the ideas about Base. I've used it for arranging and printing mailing lists, but I haven't gone beyond that. I can only imagine what I'm missing by doing something manually that might be better done with Base. I'm intrigued in how you use it for Bible study. My Sunday school notes are typically a mass of disconnected thoughts written in Writer. If Base can help organize this, I'd love to learn it. I look forward to your Base Guide Virgil -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
Hi :) Yes, i was one of the respondants. If i had thought it serious or leading somewhere in anyway at all then i would have carefully avoided responding. At a guess i'm not the only respondant thinking that way. I think a few answers, such as Tom C's, are interesting because it kinda shows what we were talking about in another recent thread. Even people who don't have aspergers often exhibit signs of it often due to their expertise in a particular area. Also if there seem to be rules some of us feel compelled to rebel (such as Gavin's response being in order but not giving percentages) or do so accidentally. I think it is helping because it helps us understand what kind of level of expertise we can expect from certain posters. So when i try to answer questions about Calc, or Base there are clearly limits on how much i understand or have stumbled through myself. it's part of why i try to stick to waggle the wires and generic answers rather than diving into specifics and why i drop questions once they start getting expert answers (or at least better ones than i am likely to be able to help with). Regards from Tom :) On 13 May 2014 14:41, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, Tom D., this was just for fun, and given the response from so many people, I think most have taken it in the way I intended. Virgil On 05/13/2014 07:48 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's just a just for fun survey of what people think they use. The modules can't be split up and removing any wouldn't reduce the code=base by much at all so the usual sinister hidden-agendas behind this sort of question are entirely absent. It's just for fun. For a lot of us this sort of thing is very difficult because answering would require us have really measured usage and give accurate answers rather than guesses. It's the type of question that neurotypicals and mainstream-press articles seem to enjoy but that are ultimately fairly pointless. It's just for fun and it's interesting to see people's estimates of what they do and to see how they handle giving answers to this sort of thing. http://musingsofanaspie.com/2013/01/10/what-is-neurotypical/ If we wanted a formal vote then there are various tools such as Survey Monkey, or we could set-up something in LinuxQuestions.Org or Ask LO or somewhere. Regards from Tom :) On 13 May 2014 06:06, Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/11/2014 03:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: I'm curious to find out what components of LO are used most by the people on this list. I think it helps to know different folks' area of experience. It might also help us in learning new ways to integrate the different components. For myself, my approximate usage is: Writer (85% of my use of LO) Calc(10%) Impress (3%, Maybe four to five presentations a year) Base (once a year to print out labels for my Christmas cards) Draw (What's that?) Virgil Virgil, I have a considerable background in inferential statistics, and have done formal survey research, in a variety of social and cultural contexts. I want to warn you that this sort of self-select, opt-in survey is NOT the way to go, if your question is serious. You ARE only going to get a subset (sample) of your population of interest, and you'll have no way to relate that subset to the population, thus no way to draw any valid conclusions from the subset. It's pseudo-research, which creates the impression of creating knowledge without actually doing so. Just something for you, and others, to think about. Hope it's helpful. Tom -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about fonts and forms in Writer
Hi :) Has this issue been solved? Sorry i didn't know enough to help with this! Was the documentation useful? Regards from Tom :) On 12 May 2014 01:53, Tom Williams tomd...@comcast.net wrote: On 05/11/2014 11:40 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Can you right-click on the boxes or select them all and set their properties? Yes, I can and that's how I set two of the text boxes to align the entered text at the top, instead of the middle. I'll try my PDF form in Adobe Reader now and will see how it behaves. Err, when you say converting a Word document into a form - for most things it is often better to start off with a fresh document in ODF format when you find yourself struggling with odd weirdnesses. Documents that were previously in some other format, particularly MS formats (especially the various versions of DocX or Rtf), often have tons of hidden coding stuffing things up. A fresh start often helps. ODF is the better format for stability between different versions of software. Thanks for mentioning this. I'll keep this in mind. :) How about Chapter 15 in this guide? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide I haven't read it so i don't know if it covers setting properties for the boxes Great! Thanks! I'll check it out! Peace... The other Tom :) Regards from Tom :) On 11 May 2014 17:59, Tom Williams tomd...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! I'm converting a Word document into a form that will eventually be a PDF form that can be filled in using Adobe Reader. I'm doing this in LibreOffice Writer 4.2.3.3 on Ubuntu Linux 14.04. My first pass worked splendidly well and everything worked fine except for two issues: 1. I can't seem to control the font used in the form controls, namely the text boxes 2. I can't get the text boxes to align text at the top (despite my setting the form control to align text at the top) Does anyone reading this list have much experience with creating forms in Writer? With regard to issue #2, when I enter text into a text box, it's vertically centered vs being aligned along the top of the text box. This is when I view the generated PDF file in Ubuntu's PDF document viewer, the text I typed wasn't aligned at the top of the text box. I'm not sure if this is an Ubuntu document view issue or an issue with the generated PDF file. I'll test in Adobe Reader later. With regard to issue #1, is there any way to control the font used for the text boxes in a form? Thanks in advance for your time and assistance! Peace... Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me...* -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] ss not expanding excel csv sheet to multiple columns
On 05/13/2014 12:10 PM, Cley Faye wrote: 2014-05-13 20:32 GMT+02:00 John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net: I have a vendor who allows me to download a spreadsheet of my monthly invoice. If she downloads it to herself, in the CSV format, she gets 1 field per column in Excel. If I download the sheet in the CSV format, I get all of the fields in 1 column. See headings below from libreoffice. Hardware Identifier,Device Type,Price,Initial Service Start Date,Station Account,Customer First Name,Customer Last Name When you open a CSV file, a dialog appear asking you for many options. From the look of your post, you have to choose Separated by, Comma, and set Text delimiter to double quote (). You can try this, but to be sure having the actual csv file, even with only the first lines, would be useful (unless it contains sensitive data of course). When I downloaded it, I was presented with the 'open with lo' or 'save file' when I chose to open it with lo, all of the fields went into one column. When I saved it, and then opened it using lo, I got the dialog you referred to. A couple of clicks are, there we are! thank you, John -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
Hi :) It is a classic neurotypical thing that many in IT find really tough to cope with. So i can both see why some people are having trouble with it and why others find it fun. The getting acquainted with people in a group is an excellent summary of it. It's fun for some and difficult for others. [shrugs] No-one has to join in and not joining in doesn't exclude you from the group/team/whatever. I agree with Tom C that we can't use these stats as meaningful, unbiased research! ;) Regards from Tom :) On 13 May 2014 16:05, Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2014, Tom Cloyd wrote: [...] I don't think Virgil is doing this for fun. I don't think the respondents think their responses are meaningless. Seriously now: who in their right mind is interested in the practices of those who bother to respond to this would-be survey? What possible importance can be attached, at all, to their responses? I don't get it. If there isn't some degree of belief that this matters (which is cannot, as I've previously explained), what's the point? it's called 'getting acquainted with people in a group'. people do this at parties too. hard to see what's objectionable about it unless one doesn't like parties. (I don't mean political parties.) F. -- Felmon Davis Grief can take care of itself; but to get the full value of a joy you must have somebody to divide it with. -- Mark Twain -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
Top posting to Tom C., While there are some great people and many opinions here on the user forum, many facets of the collaborative development process and project management go under appreciated. As it is, the UX and Design teams are always in need of valid requirements analysis, and the Marketing team really should be doing more general user polling. Suspect that efforts on those fronts would be well received--if you have a hankering to contribute ;-) Regards, Stuart San Antonio, Texas From: Tom Cloyd tomcloydm...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:50 AM To: Virgil Arrington; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most? You mean I'm the only deadly serious one here? Ah...alone at last! :) t. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Dutch spellchecking
I used to have a Dutch spell checker in OO, but I cannot seem to find one anywhwere any more. What gives? Does anybody have an idea? *Rogier Fentener van Vlissingen http://viz.me/vliscony/t/7* *About Me http://about.me/vliscony* -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which components do you use most?
I hesitated to reply to this thread because I don't use LO's native Base, HSQL, but rather, for the last 3 years, I have been using H2SQL, which is proving much more robust that HSQL. But I guess that Base is designed to be the front end for all the major databases, so here is my contribution. My usage is - Writer 2% Calc 1% For importing data into databases Impress 1% Base 96% Draw 0% I have used Base to create 6 different databases - - 3 are Membership/Contact systems for - - Good News Radio - U3A (University of the Third Age - for the over 50's) - A Church Roll - An accounting system for not for profit organisations. (Also used for our private accounts) - A shopping List (featuring aisle numbers - 6.5 = half way down aisle 6) - An automated Sunday morning duties Roster for church So I guess I have specialised in fairly narrow part of LO. Happy to share details of any of the above if anyone is interested. Noel -- Noel Lodge lodg...@gmail.com On 14 May 2014 04:29, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/13/2014 11:25 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 05/13/2014 10:16 AM, Tom Davies wrote: I think it is helping because it helps us understand what kind of level of expertise we can expect from certain posters. So when i try to answer questions about Calc, or Base there are clearly limits on how much i understand or have stumbled through myself. That was part of my thought process in asking the question. In the past, for example, we have discussed the relative merits of paragraph styles. Some of us love them; some of us hate them. My (totally unscientific) guess is that styles lovers will tend to be primarily Writer users and styles haters will tend to be primarily Calc users (or Base, but it seems that *nobody* primarily uses Base). Actually, no one has yet to respond that primarily uses Base. You would probably say that I don't either considering the amount of time that I use Writer. Yet, my primary use of LibreOffice is writing what should become the future Base Guide. I am also experimenting with Base to see all of the things that it can do. Then there are the personal uses I have for Base. The purpose of a database is to store data and then access or manipulate the date to obtain information that is needed. Just some of the databases that I use includes Bible study, schedules, grocery lists, medical tests, financial (income and expenses), calories consumed (amount by food type, record of the over a period of time), and utility consumption including statistics about it. the queries in these databases can reveal quite a bit of information. --Dan If I know that a user is a 95% Calc user, then it will do me little good to try to convince them to set up a bunch of Writer paragraph styles. They don't have time for that, just like I don't have time to learn the power moves of Calc--I just don't use it enough to justify that type of investment. So, as we discuss various topics, it will helpful (at least for me) to know that awe for the power of Writer may not be shared by one who emphasizes Calc. It also underscores for me the immensity of our office suite. To make it do wonderful things, we must learn it, but it's like trying to comprehend the universe. I doubt that any single human being truly understands it, which is why a list like this is so helpful (aspergers, OCD and all). Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted lodg...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
