Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
ah, remembering ... 'The Importance of Being Ernest' ;-) and believe it or not, it's on-line - https://www.gutenberg.org/files/844/844-h/844-h.htm of course, I didn't see the 1895 play, but thoroughly enjoyed the 1952 movie. From: Felmon Davis Date: Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: users@global.libreoffice.org On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Gary Collins wrote: I think that register is an important consideration. Colloquial language > tends to be in a state of flux and dictionaries will always lag behind. > Formal language tends to be far more conservative, and that, I think, is > where "proper" is likely to be a more important consideration. > > Is either "more correct" than the other? Not really. It depends on the > nature and purpose of the communication. But "improper" use of words and > grammar will, of course, give the impression that the communicator has been > "poorly educated." (Again, that could be considered a "loaded concept".) > Where "making a good impression" is important, dictionaries are very useful > tools indeed. > > /Gary > I fully concur. for instance misspelled words don't always impair understanding but they can give a bad impression. I only wanted to say dictionaries are not 'authorities' except as snapshots of actual usage. thanks. f. From: Felmon Davis > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2015, 21:48 > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex > documents" > > On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: > > grammar skillfully employed procures meaningful communication, >> [see below for comments to your comments] >> > > yes, 'skillful' is not the same as 'proper'. > > or let's put it this way, 'proper' is ambiguous. it could mean > 'according to some accepted standard' or it could be 'adept'. > > an act of communication can be 'improper' but apt or 'proper' but > inept. > > some think 'the King and me' is 'improper' and should be 'the King and > I'. aside from reasons of gentility they are equally fit to purpose. > > [pardon the deletions] > > Without good communication skills, then how can anyone be a part of >> >>> any community ??? >>> >> >> I doubt 'good communication skills' require 'proper' grammar. >> >> [well, how would you punctuate this sentence? - >> Woman without her man is helpless >> (yes, it's an old time example used by probably every English >> instructor since ... ) >> >> It could be 'Woman, without her man, is helpless.' or 'Woman: >> without her, man is helpless.'] >> > > the spoken sentences would be unambiguous. > > here are some other punctuations: > > Woman! without her man is helpless. > Woman - without her, man is helpless. > > some grammar 'authority' will favor one, some another. it is pointless > to dispute such religious questions. > > speaking of which: to me it's anathema how Brits sprinkle commas all > over their sentences; after all they aren't Germans! > > f. > > > -- Felmon Davis Do not fold, spindle or mutilate. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Gary Collins wrote: I think that register is an important consideration. Colloquial language tends to be in a state of flux and dictionaries will always lag behind. Formal language tends to be far more conservative, and that, I think, is where "proper" is likely to be a more important consideration. Is either "more correct" than the other? Not really. It depends on the nature and purpose of the communication. But "improper" use of words and grammar will, of course, give the impression that the communicator has been "poorly educated." (Again, that could be considered a "loaded concept".) Where "making a good impression" is important, dictionaries are very useful tools indeed. /Gary I fully concur. for instance misspelled words don't always impair understanding but they can give a bad impression. I only wanted to say dictionaries are not 'authorities' except as snapshots of actual usage. thanks. f. From: Felmon Davis To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2015, 21:48 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: grammar skillfully employed procures meaningful communication, [see below for comments to your comments] yes, 'skillful' is not the same as 'proper'. or let's put it this way, 'proper' is ambiguous. it could mean 'according to some accepted standard' or it could be 'adept'. an act of communication can be 'improper' but apt or 'proper' but inept. some think 'the King and me' is 'improper' and should be 'the King and I'. aside from reasons of gentility they are equally fit to purpose. [pardon the deletions] Without good communication skills, then how can anyone be a part of any community ??? I doubt 'good communication skills' require 'proper' grammar. [well, how would you punctuate this sentence? - Woman without her man is helpless (yes, it's an old time example used by probably every English instructor since ... ) It could be 'Woman, without her man, is helpless.' or 'Woman: without her, man is helpless.'] the spoken sentences would be unambiguous. here are some other punctuations: Woman! without her man is helpless. Woman - without her, man is helpless. some grammar 'authority' will favor one, some another. it is pointless to dispute such religious questions. speaking of which: to me it's anathema how Brits sprinkle commas all over their sentences; after all they aren't Germans! f. -- Felmon Davis Do not fold, spindle or mutilate. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
Hi :) Glad you have found a solution that works for you. It is very annoying in the use-case you describe but that seldom seems to crop up. I dunno why though. I guess it is a lot less annoying for those of us who mainly use single-page documents such as short letters or posters or what-not. Dave Barton's solution, as raised by Anne Ology, has worked for many people using many versions in the past - ie to use; Tools - Options - General - "User Data" (or the Mac equivalent) to add some data into the name field and others. Note that you can use completely fictitious names or random characters or whatnot. Years ago we had some discussion about whether just spaces could be used but that is probably pushing it a bit far. It is weird that it usually works and makes no sense whatsoever. It's a bit quirky but there we go. Regards from Tom :) On 26 July 2015 at 23:36, wrote: > Anne, > > If you are not experiencing the problem then you are probably using an > older version of LO. This bug has now been fixed in the latest update of > LO. Early versions always opened at the point where the cursor was located > when the document was saved/closed. That was lost somewhere in version > 3.x.x.x but has now been fixed in version 4.4.4.3. > > I found it annoying because I am using LO to read fiction which is > downloaded from the internet to my computer. Reading a long novel (>500 > pages) and losing your place when closing the book sucks. The work around > that I developed was to insert a string of "X" at the cursor point before > closing the novel. Then on reopening the book, having to do a search for > the string. But if I forgot, it was back to the beginning and having to > search for where I was. Very frustrating, especially when compared to > reading on the Kiindle which keeps your place even you have gone on and > read 3 or 4 other things and then come back to the it. > > Jerry > > > At 03:12 PM 7/24/2015, you wrote: > >>I still don't understand that problem of opening at the beginning >> only; my documents always re-open at the spot where last saved. >> From: Stephen Harding Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 >> at 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and >> "complex documents" To: Dan Lewis , >> users@global.libreoffice.org I've had no problem using Writer to create >> 200+ page documents with over a hundred illustrations, annotated screen >> shots and drawings, imported from Microsoft's Visio or LO Draw (LO Draw >> works best) and JPEG photos. Also frequently use tables to show >> information. The documents have many, many cross references embedded in >> them and four level table of contents at the beginning. My only gripe is >> when you close a document and then reopen it, it opens at the beginning, >> not the point where you were working on it. Best wishes, Stephen Harding >> Freelance author Telephone desk 01256 781557 Telephone mobile 07969 469543 >> www.shirste.org.uk Skype Shirley_and_Stephen_Harding From: Dan Lewis >> [mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 July 2015 16:06 To: >> users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question >> about LO Writer and "complex documents" On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom >> Williams wrote: > Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux >> being a > viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've >> read > many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative >> to MS > Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by >> those > who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For >> "basic" > word processing, it's fine. > > Question: in what ways does LO >> Writer "fail" at editing or creating > "complex documents"? > > Does anyone >> here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex > documents"? If so, >> what has your experience been (either good or bad)? > > I know I haven't >> actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't > seen any definition of >> that in any of the comments I've read either. > So, I'll leave the >> definition up to whatever you would consider a > "complex document". :) > >> > I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word > >> documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was > >> helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in > portrait >> orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer > treated the
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
I think that register is an important consideration. Colloquial language tends to be in a state of flux and dictionaries will always lag behind. Formal language tends to be far more conservative, and that, I think, is where "proper" is likely to be a more important consideration. Is either "more correct" than the other? Not really. It depends on the nature and purpose of the communication. But "improper" use of words and grammar will, of course, give the impression that the communicator has been "poorly educated." (Again, that could be considered a "loaded concept".) Where "making a good impression" is important, dictionaries are very useful tools indeed. /Gary From: Felmon Davis To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2015, 21:48 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: > grammar skillfully employed procures meaningful communication, > [see below for comments to your comments] yes, 'skillful' is not the same as 'proper'. or let's put it this way, 'proper' is ambiguous. it could mean 'according to some accepted standard' or it could be 'adept'. an act of communication can be 'improper' but apt or 'proper' but inept. some think 'the King and me' is 'improper' and should be 'the King and I'. aside from reasons of gentility they are equally fit to purpose. [pardon the deletions] > Without good communication skills, then how can anyone be a part of >> any community ??? > > I doubt 'good communication skills' require 'proper' grammar. > > [well, how would you punctuate this sentence? - > Woman without her man is helpless > (yes, it's an old time example used by probably every English > instructor since ... ) > > It could be 'Woman, without her man, is helpless.' or 'Woman: > without her, man is helpless.'] the spoken sentences would be unambiguous. here are some other punctuations: Woman! without her man is helpless. Woman - without her, man is helpless. some grammar 'authority' will favor one, some another. it is pointless to dispute such religious questions. speaking of which: to me it's anathema how Brits sprinkle commas all over their sentences; after all they aren't Germans! f. -- Felmon Davis Fashions have done more harm than revolutions. -- Victor Hugo -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: grammar skillfully employed procures meaningful communication, [see below for comments to your comments] yes, 'skillful' is not the same as 'proper'. or let's put it this way, 'proper' is ambiguous. it could mean 'according to some accepted standard' or it could be 'adept'. an act of communication can be 'improper' but apt or 'proper' but inept. some think 'the King and me' is 'improper' and should be 'the King and I'. aside from reasons of gentility they are equally fit to purpose. [pardon the deletions] Without good communication skills, then how can anyone be a part of any community ??? I doubt 'good communication skills' require 'proper' grammar. [well, how would you punctuate this sentence? - Woman without her man is helpless (yes, it's an old time example used by probably every English instructor since ... ) It could be 'Woman, without her man, is helpless.' or 'Woman: without her, man is helpless.'] the spoken sentences would be unambiguous. here are some other punctuations: Woman! without her man is helpless. Woman - without her, man is helpless. some grammar 'authority' will favor one, some another. it is pointless to dispute such religious questions. speaking of which: to me it's anathema how Brits sprinkle commas all over their sentences; after all they aren't Germans! f. -- Felmon Davis Fashions have done more harm than revolutions. -- Victor Hugo -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
grammar skillfully employed procures meaningful communication, [see below for comments to your comments] From: Felmon Davis Date: Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: users@global.libreoffice.org On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: One of Charles Lutwidge Dodgson's, Lewis Carroll, purpose in writing > the Alice in Wonderland books was to show how the meaning can be > misinterpreted when proper grammar is not used. My favorite example is > Jabberwocky ;-) > but the grammar of Jabberwocky is perfectly correct! [correct; although written to confuse any meaningful sense; also, the use of puns are amusing due to their confusion in meaning - (for those to whom English is not their native language can be much misled by those of us who enjoy the use of puns)] Without good communication skills, then how can anyone be a part of > any community ??? > I doubt 'good communication skills' require 'proper' grammar. [well, how would you punctuate this sentence? - Woman without her man is helpless (yes, it's an old time example used by probably every English instructor since ... ) It could be 'Woman, without her man, is helpless.' or 'Woman: without her, man is helpless.'] f. -- Felmon Davis Where humor is concerned there are no standards -- no one can say what is good or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will. -- John Kenneth Galbraith -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: One of Charles Lutwidge Dodgson's, Lewis Carroll, purpose in writing the Alice in Wonderland books was to show how the meaning can be misinterpreted when proper grammar is not used. My favorite example is Jabberwocky ;-) but the grammar of Jabberwocky is perfectly correct! Without good communication skills, then how can anyone be a part of any community ??? I doubt 'good communication skills' require 'proper' grammar. f. -- Felmon Davis Where humor is concerned there are no standards -- no one can say what is good or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will. -- John Kenneth Galbraith -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
One of Charles Lutwidge Dodgson's, Lewis Carroll, purpose in writing the Alice in Wonderland books was to show how the meaning can be misinterpreted when proper grammar is not used. My favorite example is Jabberwocky ;-) Without good communication skills, then how can anyone be a part of any community ??? From: Felmon Davis Date: Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: users@global.libreoffice.org On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: Thank you; > and for some good examples. > > BTW - > here's 'compatibility' as defined by the Oxford Dictionary, which > I think is recognized as an authority worldwide ;-) > I call dictionary abuse! dictionaries don't prescribe how words _should_ be interpreted, they describe how words _were_ and _are_ used, the latter badly in the nature of the case since they usually lag behind current. people always get this wrong. and Humpty-Dumpty is close, very close, to the truth: - “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.” know what I mean? anyway, sorry for the interruption. f. > > [1a state in which two things are able to exist or occur together without > problems or conflict > > 1.1a feeling of sympathy and friendship; like-mindedness > > 1.2 Computing: The ability of one computer, piece of software, etc., to > work with another] > > To me, fully compatible vs. compatible could parallel identical > twins vs. fraternal twins or clarified butter vs. butter or suede vs. > brushed leather or wood vs. wooden veneer or ... ... ... ;-) > > And I guess I'm a detailist - perfectionist if you would; I gave up > photography when B&W film became impossible to obtain - > to me, in composing a photograph I consider all the components > yet with color photography - and now with digital images - the detailing is > impossible to obtain as it was when dealing with silver. > > > > From: toki > Date: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex > documents" > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > > > On 07/24/2015 09:08 PM, Joel Madero wrote: > > This is simply a false statement. "It's not compatible." >> > > > > That literally depends upon how "compatibility" is defined. > > There are use-cases where MSO 2013 is completely, utterly, and > absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013, when installed on a different > computer. > > There are use-cases when MSO 2013 and OOo 1.x are completely compatible > with each other. > > Jonathon > > -- > > -- Felmon Davis Every word is like an unnecessary stain on silence and nothingness. -- Samuel Beckett -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, anne-ology wrote: Thank you; and for some good examples. BTW - here's 'compatibility' as defined by the Oxford Dictionary, which I think is recognized as an authority worldwide ;-) I call dictionary abuse! dictionaries don't prescribe how words _should_ be interpreted, they describe how words _were_ and _are_ used, the latter badly in the nature of the case since they usually lag behind current. people always get this wrong. and Humpty-Dumpty is close, very close, to the truth: - “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.” know what I mean? anyway, sorry for the interruption. f. [1a state in which two things are able to exist or occur together without problems or conflict 1.1a feeling of sympathy and friendship; like-mindedness 1.2 Computing: The ability of one computer, piece of software, etc., to work with another] To me, fully compatible vs. compatible could parallel identical twins vs. fraternal twins or clarified butter vs. butter or suede vs. brushed leather or wood vs. wooden veneer or ... ... ... ;-) And I guess I'm a detailist - perfectionist if you would; I gave up photography when B&W film became impossible to obtain - to me, in composing a photograph I consider all the components yet with color photography - and now with digital images - the detailing is impossible to obtain as it was when dealing with silver. From: toki Date: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 07/24/2015 09:08 PM, Joel Madero wrote: This is simply a false statement. "It's not compatible." That literally depends upon how "compatibility" is defined. There are use-cases where MSO 2013 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013, when installed on a different computer. There are use-cases when MSO 2013 and OOo 1.x are completely compatible with each other. Jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Every word is like an unnecessary stain on silence and nothingness. -- Samuel Beckett -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
Hi :) Apparently the Microsquish definition of "compatibility" is VERY different, perhaps even the exact opposite. Many people apparently think that Microsquish is the only authority on anything to do with computers so logically that might lead them to suspect all entries in the Oxford Dictionary. Regards from Tom :) On 26 July 2015 at 17:55, anne-ology wrote: >Thank you; >and for some good examples. > >BTW - > here's 'compatibility' as defined by the Oxford Dictionary, which > I think is recognized as an authority worldwide ;-) > > > [1a state in which two things are able to exist or occur together without > problems or conflict > > 1.1a feeling of sympathy and friendship; like-mindedness > > 1.2 Computing: The ability of one computer, piece of software, etc., to > work with another] > >To me, fully compatible vs. compatible could parallel identical > twins vs. fraternal twins or clarified butter vs. butter or suede vs. > brushed leather or wood vs. wooden veneer or ... ... ... ;-) > >And I guess I'm a detailist - perfectionist if you would; I gave up > photography when B&W film became impossible to obtain - > to me, in composing a photograph I consider all the components > yet with color photography - and now with digital images - the detailing is > impossible to obtain as it was when dealing with silver. > > > > From: toki > Date: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex > documents" > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > > > On 07/24/2015 09:08 PM, Joel Madero wrote: > > > This is simply a false statement. "It's not compatible." > > > > That literally depends upon how "compatibility" is defined. > > There are use-cases where MSO 2013 is completely, utterly, and > absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013, when installed on a different > computer. > > There are use-cases when MSO 2013 and OOo 1.x are completely compatible > with each other. > > Jonathon > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
Anne, If you are not experiencing the problem then you are probably using an older version of LO. This bug has now been fixed in the latest update of LO. Early versions always opened at the point where the cursor was located when the document was saved/closed. That was lost somewhere in version 3.x.x.x but has now been fixed in version 4.4.4.3. I found it annoying because I am using LO to read fiction which is downloaded from the internet to my computer. Reading a long novel (>500 pages) and losing your place when closing the book sucks. The work around that I developed was to insert a string of "X" at the cursor point before closing the novel. Then on reopening the book, having to do a search for the string. But if I forgot, it was back to the beginning and having to search for where I was. Very frustrating, especially when compared to reading on the Kiindle which keeps your place even you have gone on and read 3 or 4 other things and then come back to the it. Jerry At 03:12 PM 7/24/2015, you wrote: I still don't understand that problem of opening at the beginning only; my documents always re-open at the spot where last saved. From: Stephen Harding Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: Dan Lewis , users@global.libreoffice.org I've had no problem using Writer to create 200+ page documents with over a hundred illustrations, annotated screen shots and drawings, imported from Microsoft's Visio or LO Draw (LO Draw works best) and JPEG photos. Also frequently use tables to show information. The documents have many, many cross references embedded in them and four level table of contents at the beginning. My only gripe is when you close a document and then reopen it, it opens at the beginning, not the point where you were working on it. Best wishes, Stephen Harding Freelance author Telephone desk 01256 781557 Telephone mobile 07969 469543 www.shirste.org.uk Skype Shirley_and_Stephen_Harding From: Dan Lewis [mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 July 2015 16:06 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: > Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a > viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read > many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS > Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those > who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" > word processing, it's fine. > > Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating > "complex documents"? > > Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex > documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? > > I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't > seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. > So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a > "complex document". :) > > I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word > documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was > helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in > portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer > treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but > couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. > That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". > > Thanks! > > Peace... > > "The other" Tom Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be complex. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe / Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On 07/26/2015 05:21 PM, Tom Williams wrote: > Certainly, the 10 different writing systems in the same document is > something *I* would consider complex, especially since that's not > something I've ever seen, done, or even heard of. :) > The 50,000 page outline document sounds complex as well, since I imagine > that outline would have several levels and not be relatively "flat". Four levels of headings. > When I wrote my comment, I thought to these two documents were one in the > same. :) Whilst there is the possibility that the 50,000 page outline, when completed, will contain material in a dozen different languages, it is not currently at that point. When I complete it, it might be the poster child of complex documents, due to length, number of tables, images, writing systems, languages, indexes, and styles used. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On 07/26/2015 09:58 AM, toki wrote: > On 07/26/2015 04:48 PM, Tom Williams wrote: > >> Well, I think this certainly serves as a great example of a very complex >> document. :) > Which document? > > * 10,000 images in one document; > * 50,000 pages in the outline, with projected length of 5,000,000 pages; > * 10 different writing systems in the same document; > Certainly, the 10 different writing systems in the same document is something *I* would consider complex, especially since that's not something I've ever seen, done, or even heard of. :) The 50,000 page outline document sounds complex as well, since I imagine that outline would have several levels and not be relatively "flat". When I wrote my comment, I thought to these two documents were one in the same. :) Peace.. "The other" Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On 07/26/2015 04:48 PM, Tom Williams wrote: > Well, I think this certainly serves as a great example of a very complex > document. :) Which document? * 10,000 images in one document; * 50,000 pages in the outline, with projected length of 5,000,000 pages; * 10 different writing systems in the same document; jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
Thank you; and for some good examples. BTW - here's 'compatibility' as defined by the Oxford Dictionary, which I think is recognized as an authority worldwide ;-) [1a state in which two things are able to exist or occur together without problems or conflict 1.1a feeling of sympathy and friendship; like-mindedness 1.2 Computing: The ability of one computer, piece of software, etc., to work with another] To me, fully compatible vs. compatible could parallel identical twins vs. fraternal twins or clarified butter vs. butter or suede vs. brushed leather or wood vs. wooden veneer or ... ... ... ;-) And I guess I'm a detailist - perfectionist if you would; I gave up photography when B&W film became impossible to obtain - to me, in composing a photograph I consider all the components yet with color photography - and now with digital images - the detailing is impossible to obtain as it was when dealing with silver. From: toki Date: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 07/24/2015 09:08 PM, Joel Madero wrote: > This is simply a false statement. "It's not compatible." That literally depends upon how "compatibility" is defined. There are use-cases where MSO 2013 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013, when installed on a different computer. There are use-cases when MSO 2013 and OOo 1.x are completely compatible with each other. Jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On 07/24/2015 10:45 AM, Brian Barker wrote: > At 06:31 24/07/2015 -0700, Tom Williams wrote: >> ... I've read many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a >> good alternative to MS Office. Some say yes, others say no. One >> common comment made by those who say no is Writer isn't good for >> "complex documents". For "basic" word processing, it's fine. >> Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating >> "complex documents"? >> >> I've submitted an LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word >> documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was >> helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in >> portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer >> treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but >> couldn't handle the mixture of both. > > It's worth saying that you are mixing your ideas here. This experience > is not about LibreOffice's facility at creating or editing (text) > documents with mixed page orientations, but about how it can handle > whatever Microsoft Word puts in its proprietary file formats to encode > similar structures. That may well matter to you, but it has little to > do with how good LibreOffice may be at achieving this particular > structure. Yes, the example I cited doesn't reflect on Writer's ability to create or edit documents with mixed page orientations but the behavior I experienced could be easily viewed as Writer not being able to "handle" some kinds of MS Word documents. This isn't my personal view but a view I've experienced from those I've helped in using Writer. > > You surely cannot believe that it is at all difficult to create and > edit text documents with mixed page orientations in LibreOffice? > I haven't personally created a document like this but I wouldn't have thought it would be difficult to do. I would have simply looked up how to do it and do it. :) Peace... "The other" Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On 07/24/2015 09:56 AM, toki wrote: > On 07/24/2015 01:31 PM, Tom Williams wrote: > >> Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex documents"? > I've had as many as 10,000 images in a single document. OOo 2.x didn't > balk when I created it. Libo 5.0 beta does have any problems when I edit > that document. > > LibO had no problems with an outline that was 50,000 pages long. (That > project is on temporary hold, whilst I verify that GIT backup for LibO > works as advertised. My current estimate is that the completed document > will be 5,000,000 pages.) > > I've had as many as 10 different writing systems in one document. > LibO does has some issues correctly displaying them, especially when > they are intermixed in the same sentence, and a Pan-Unicode font is not > being used. (FWIW, when using two or more writing systems that are BiDi, > CTL, or CJVK, use a Pan-Unicode font, to minimize display issues.) Well, I think this certainly serves as a great example of a very complex document. :) > >> I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word >> documents with pages with different page orientations well. > If one is not paying attention to what one is doing, when changing page > styles, one can unintentionally change the wrong pages to the wrong page > style. > Understood and I can easily see this happening. I've never created a document like this, but I've imported a couple MS Word documents that had a mixture of landscape and portrait pages and Writer applied one page orientation to the entire document. This has since been fixed. Peace... "The other" Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On 07/24/2015 08:40 AM, Pablo Dotro wrote: > The main complaint I've observed regarding different capabilities in MS > Office and LO comes from people that expect both products to work exactly > the same. Commonality exist between them, but each one is it's own product, > with different design, coding and debugging standards. Yes, I've encountered this as well and I consider each its own product, as you. :) What frustrates me some is people not giving LO a legitimate chance to function as its own suite vs being viewed in the "shadow" of MS Office. Peace... "The other" Tom > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: > >> On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: >> >>> Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable >>> alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many >>> comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS >>> Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those >>> who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" >>> word processing, it's fine. >>> >>> Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating >>> "complex documents"? >>> >>> Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex >>> documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? >>> >>> I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't seen >>> any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, >>> I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a "complex >>> document". :) >>> >>> I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word >>> documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was >>> helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait >>> orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the >>> entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the >>> mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. >>> That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Peace... >>> >>> "The other" Tom >>> >> Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or >> is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? >> I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for >> OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be >> complex. >> >> Dan >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On 07/24/2015 08:25 AM, Stephen Harding wrote: > I've had no problem using Writer to create 200+ page documents with over a > hundred illustrations, annotated screen shots and drawings, imported from > Microsoft's Visio or LO Draw (LO Draw works best) and JPEG photos. Also > frequently use tables to show information. The documents have many, many > cross references embedded in them and four level table of contents at the > beginning. Impressive! :) Peace... "The other" Tom > -Original Message- > From: Dan Lewis [mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com] > Sent: 24 July 2015 16:06 > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex > documents" > > On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: >> Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a >> viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read >> many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS >> Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those >> who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" >> word processing, it's fine. >> >> Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating >> "complex documents"? >> >> Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex >> documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? >> >> I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't >> seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. >> So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a >> "complex document". :) >> >> I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word >> documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was >> helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in >> portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer >> treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but >> couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I >> reported the bug. >> That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". >> >> Thanks! >> >> Peace... >> >> "The other" Tom > Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or > is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? > I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for > OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be complex. > > Dan > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On 07/24/2015 08:05 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: > On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: >> Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable >> alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many >> comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS >> Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those >> who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" >> word processing, it's fine. >> >> Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating >> "complex documents"? >> >> Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex >> documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? >> >> I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't seen >> any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, >> I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a "complex >> document". :) >> >> I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word >> documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was >> helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait >> orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the >> entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the >> mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. >> That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". >> >> Thanks! >> >> Peace... >> >> "The other" Tom > Is the problem with Complex documents really about the > complexity, or is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? > I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for > OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be > complex. > > Dan > Unfortunately, most of the comments I had read were more of a "general" nature, so details like the ones you raise were left out. I think it could be a combination or mixture of both. Maybe in some cases, "actual" complexity of documents was being considered and in other cases, the perception that Writer couldn't "handle" anything other than basic word processing tasks. Peace... "The other" Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On 07/24/2015 09:08 PM, Joel Madero wrote: > This is simply a false statement. "It's not compatible." That literally depends upon how "compatibility" is defined. There are use-cases where MSO 2013 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013, when installed on a different computer. There are use-cases when MSO 2013 and OOo 1.x are completely compatible with each other. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
Thank you. From: Dave Barton Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: users@global.libreoffice.org From: Anne-ology Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:08:53 -0500 >Maybe someone would be so kind as to explain the difference between > .ODT & .OTT; > when is the latter used & how does it differ? ODT (OpenDocument Text) = Writer Document OTT (OpenDocument Template) = Writer Template Opening a OTT file in Writer will create a new blank ODT document with the attributes/styles contained in the OTT template. The OTT template is not altered by anything added to the new ODT document. An ODT document can be used to create an OTT template. Suggest you read the "Styles" & "Templates" chapters of the Writer User Guide for more detailed information: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
Isn't that what everyone does ;-) From: Dave Barton Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: users@global.libreoffice.org anne-ology wrote: >I still don't understand that problem of opening at the beginning > only; > my documents always re-open at the spot where last saved. That's because you have put a/your name in the "User Data" section of the "Options" dialog. This is one of the program's little peculiarities :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
huh ??? Are you attempting to open a new document to contact this list or what?; what's your question? You surely don't mean that you're unable to open a blank e-mail to send a document ;-) Curiously wondering, From: Philip Ward Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sorry guys, not part of the current thread, how do i start a new thread? or question etc? been a while, and totally forgot!! cheers Phil On 24/07/2015 21:59, anne-ology wrote: As for me, I much prefer to use LO. > > Although it's not compatible with MSFT; this makes it difficult to > send a document to someone. >I will then - if a small document, copy/paste into an e-mail or > save as MSFT to send to them - > > and while so doing, I'm thinking, why, oh why, doesn't everyone > download LO - >I eliminated this compatibility problem with PPs by merely > switching to videos ;-) > > AND a definite plus for LO, when these inane MSFT hold-outs make > their documents, then send to me ... when I open in LO then save as such, > the KBs are drastically reduced ... ... ... (I guess that's due to all the > gobbledygook which MSFT adds to their program for whatever reason) > > I'm not sure what you consider a complex document, but my documents > run the gamut from pamphlets to books with images scattered throughout & > sometimes tables ... and tables are so much easier to do in LO yet next to > impossible to line up in MsFT; these really frustrate me when I have to > save as MSFT to send out ;-) >[I'll sometimes photograph them so they can be sent as an image > ;-) ] > > Well, that's my experience, > > > > From: Tom Williams > Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 8:31 AM > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex > documents" > To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" > > > Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable > alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many > comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS > Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those > who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" > word processing, it's fine. > > Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating > "complex documents"? > > Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex > documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? > > I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't seen > any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, > I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a "complex > document". :) > > I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word > documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was > helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait > orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the > entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the > mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. > That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". > > Thanks! > > Peace... > > "The other" Tom > > -- > /When we dance, you have a way with me, > Stay with me... Sway with me.../ > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
You're right, that was probably not the best word to choose; although I think I explained my meaning - I note you deleted that part of the e-message ;-) I merely meant that when saving an LO document to MsFt, the versions will not appear the same ... the spacing may be off, the images may be skewed, any tables are out of alignment, ... ... ... and the MsFt document has increased in size due to all the excess gobbledygook ;-) From: Joel Madero Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: anne-ology Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:59 PM, anne-ology wrote: As for me, I much prefer to use LO. > >Although it's not compatible with MSFT; this makes it difficult to > send a document to someone. > This is simply a false statement. "It's not compatible." Please don't give new users a false impression of the product. It is compatible in the majority of cases, yes there are *some* issues but often times (including with "complex documents") everything works fine. LibreOffice can open and save to proprietary OOXML formats and in most cases it's seamless or close to seamless. Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
anne-ology wrote: >I still don't understand that problem of opening at the beginning > only; > my documents always re-open at the spot where last saved. That's because you have put a/your name in the "User Data" section of the "Options" dialog. This is one of the program's little peculiarities :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
Original Message From: Anne-ology Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:08:53 -0500 >Maybe someone would be so kind as to explain the difference between > .ODT & .OTT; > when is the latter used & how does it differ? ODT (OpenDocument Text) = Writer Document OTT (OpenDocument Template) = Writer Template Opening a OTT file in Writer will create a new blank ODT document with the attributes/styles contained in the OTT template. The OTT template is not altered by anything added to the new ODT document. An ODT document can be used to create an OTT template. Suggest you read the "Styles" & "Templates" chapters of the Writer User Guide for more detailed information: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
Sorry guys, not part of the current thread, how do i start a new thread? or question etc? been a while, and totally forgot!! cheers Phil On 24/07/2015 21:59, anne-ology wrote: As for me, I much prefer to use LO. Although it's not compatible with MSFT; this makes it difficult to send a document to someone. I will then - if a small document, copy/paste into an e-mail or save as MSFT to send to them - and while so doing, I'm thinking, why, oh why, doesn't everyone download LO - I eliminated this compatibility problem with PPs by merely switching to videos ;-) AND a definite plus for LO, when these inane MSFT hold-outs make their documents, then send to me ... when I open in LO then save as such, the KBs are drastically reduced ... ... ... (I guess that's due to all the gobbledygook which MSFT adds to their program for whatever reason) I'm not sure what you consider a complex document, but my documents run the gamut from pamphlets to books with images scattered throughout & sometimes tables ... and tables are so much easier to do in LO yet next to impossible to line up in MsFT; these really frustrate me when I have to save as MSFT to send out ;-) [I'll sometimes photograph them so they can be sent as an image ;-) ] Well, that's my experience, From: Tom Williams Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 8:31 AM Subject: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" word processing, it's fine. Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating "complex documents"? Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a "complex document". :) I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". Thanks! Peace... "The other" Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
I still don't understand that problem of opening at the beginning only; my documents always re-open at the spot where last saved. From: Stephen Harding Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: Dan Lewis , users@global.libreoffice.org I've had no problem using Writer to create 200+ page documents with over a hundred illustrations, annotated screen shots and drawings, imported from Microsoft's Visio or LO Draw (LO Draw works best) and JPEG photos. Also frequently use tables to show information. The documents have many, many cross references embedded in them and four level table of contents at the beginning. My only gripe is when you close a document and then reopen it, it opens at the beginning, not the point where you were working on it. Best wishes, Stephen Harding Freelance author Telephone desk 01256 781557 Telephone mobile 07969 469543 www.shirste.org.uk Skype Shirley_and_Stephen_Harding From: Dan Lewis [mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 July 2015 16:06 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: > Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a > viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read > many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS > Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those > who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" > word processing, it's fine. > > Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating > "complex documents"? > > Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex > documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? > > I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't > seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. > So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a > "complex document". :) > > I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word > documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was > helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in > portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer > treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but > couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. > That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". > > Thanks! > > Peace... > > "The other" Tom Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be complex. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
Maybe someone would be so kind as to explain the difference between .ODT & .OTT; when is the latter used & how does it differ? From: Dan Lewis Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable > alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many > comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS > Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those > who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" > word processing, it's fine. > > Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating > "complex documents"? > > Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex > documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? > > I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't seen > any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, > I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a "complex > document". :) > > I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word > documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was > helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait > orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the > entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the > mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. > That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". > > Thanks! > > Peace... > > "The other" Tom > Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or is it about using LO and ?Word on a complex document? I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be complex. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:59 PM, anne-ology wrote: >As for me, I much prefer to use LO. > >Although it's not compatible with MSFT; this makes it difficult to > send a document to someone. > This is simply a false statement. "It's not compatible." Please don't give new users a false impression of the product. It is compatible in the majority of cases, yes there are *some* issues but often times (including with "complex documents") everything works fine. LibreOffice can open and save to proprietary OOXML formats and in most cases it's seamless or close to seamless. Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
As for me, I much prefer to use LO. Although it's not compatible with MSFT; this makes it difficult to send a document to someone. I will then - if a small document, copy/paste into an e-mail or save as MSFT to send to them - and while so doing, I'm thinking, why, oh why, doesn't everyone download LO - I eliminated this compatibility problem with PPs by merely switching to videos ;-) AND a definite plus for LO, when these inane MSFT hold-outs make their documents, then send to me ... when I open in LO then save as such, the KBs are drastically reduced ... ... ... (I guess that's due to all the gobbledygook which MSFT adds to their program for whatever reason) I'm not sure what you consider a complex document, but my documents run the gamut from pamphlets to books with images scattered throughout & sometimes tables ... and tables are so much easier to do in LO yet next to impossible to line up in MsFT; these really frustrate me when I have to save as MSFT to send out ;-) [I'll sometimes photograph them so they can be sent as an image ;-) ] Well, that's my experience, From: Tom Williams Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 8:31 AM Subject: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" word processing, it's fine. Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating "complex documents"? Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a "complex document". :) I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". Thanks! Peace... "The other" Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
At 06:31 24/07/2015 -0700, Tom Williams wrote: ... I've read many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" word processing, it's fine. Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating "complex documents"? I've submitted an LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the mixture of both. It's worth saying that you are mixing your ideas here. This experience is not about LibreOffice's facility at creating or editing (text) documents with mixed page orientations, but about how it can handle whatever Microsoft Word puts in its proprietary file formats to encode similar structures. That may well matter to you, but it has little to do with how good LibreOffice may be at achieving this particular structure. You surely cannot believe that it is at all difficult to create and edit text documents with mixed page orientations in LibreOffice? Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On 07/24/2015 01:31 PM, Tom Williams wrote: > Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating "complex > documents"? This where a definition for "complex documents" is mandatory. > Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex documents"? I've had as many as 10,000 images in a single document. OOo 2.x didn't balk when I created it. Libo 5.0 beta does have any problems when I edit that document. LibO had no problems with an outline that was 50,000 pages long. (That project is on temporary hold, whilst I verify that GIT backup for LibO works as advertised. My current estimate is that the completed document will be 5,000,000 pages.) I've had as many as 10 different writing systems in one document. LibO does has some issues correctly displaying them, especially when they are intermixed in the same sentence, and a Pan-Unicode font is not being used. (FWIW, when using two or more writing systems that are BiDi, CTL, or CJVK, use a Pan-Unicode font, to minimize display issues.) > I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a "complex > document". :) Most commonly, when people talk about LibO's inability to handle complex documents, they are comparing Calc with Excel, not Word with Writer. Less frequently, it is a comparison of Impress against PowerPoint. The major issue with Calc is the lack of an ecosystem similar to that of Excel. The minor issue with Calc, is that Excel templates, especially those whose MSRP is greater than US$100,rely on both the macro language of MSO, and various DLLs, and similar critters, that are Windows only. The perception that Calc isn't up to the tasks that Excel can do, is because it is trivial to find titles like _Microsoft Excel for Scientists_, and _Microsoft Excel for Advanced Financial Forecasting_. Similar titles for Calc are notable by their absence. Personally, I don't use Impress, or PowerPoint. My experience in sitting through PowerPoint presentations, and that user either doesn't know what the subject of the presentation is, or else doesn't know how to write a report, or else is trying to hide data that is both mission-critical, and unfavourable. (IOW, if being graded, the best hope is for "fail".) > I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word > documents with pages with different page orientations well. If one is not paying attention to what one is doing, when changing page styles, one can unintentionally change the wrong pages to the wrong page style. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
Hi there! I've had experience working with LibreOffice and "complex documents". Back in the days of Libre/OpenOffice 3.x and Office 2003, Writer was much better than Word in handling large documents with complex formatting and a large number of included objects (say, around 100 pages, with around 150 equations, plenty of figures as included graphics and diagrams and book-like formatting using custom style sheets). I understand this has changed somewhat now, with newer versions of Word being increasingly capable of dealing with such documents. LO Writer for me has been a solid performer in this area with each upgrade, no big changes in functionality. I've written a book lenght technical manual in it, and it performed superbly. What I've never managed to achieve was good interoperatibility between pepople using Word and LO Writer. Once an ODF, doc or docx file pases back and forth, format details are always altered somehow, sometimes to the point of ruining the work. It would be great if there was a format that was really *lingua franca* between the two applications, but I do not think that is viable. The main complaint I've observed regarding different capabilities in MS Office and LO comes from people that expect both products to work exactly the same. Commonality exist between them, but each one is it's own product, with different design, coding and debugging standards. For large documents involving small contributions from lots of people, I've successfully used a manual "patch" approach: I kept the "master" copy of the document, with page and line numbering on published as PDF for download, and accepted corrections from contributors in pure text, doc, or odt format, and then merged them manually in my master document and republish. It's labor intensive, and I do not think it scales well, but it saved me a lot of time and arguments. When writing these kind of documents, I really miss being able to have the same facilities that are available while coding (version control with automated patch/merge funcitonality and conflict resolution) I hope this helps. Pablo Dotro On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: > On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: > >> Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable >> alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many >> comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS >> Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those >> who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" >> word processing, it's fine. >> >> Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating >> "complex documents"? >> >> Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex >> documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? >> >> I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't seen >> any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, >> I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a "complex >> document". :) >> >> I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word >> documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was >> helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait >> orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the >> entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the >> mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. >> That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". >> >> Thanks! >> >> Peace... >> >> "The other" Tom >> > Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or > is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? > I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for > OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be > complex. > > Dan > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Pablo M. Dotro, The Mage of the Many shadows wiz...@elysium.com.arpdo...@df.uba.ar pdo...@gmail.com Twitter: @Pablo_El_Mago http://www.blog.elysium.com.ar -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
I've had no problem using Writer to create 200+ page documents with over a hundred illustrations, annotated screen shots and drawings, imported from Microsoft's Visio or LO Draw (LO Draw works best) and JPEG photos. Also frequently use tables to show information. The documents have many, many cross references embedded in them and four level table of contents at the beginning. My only gripe is when you close a document and then reopen it, it opens at the beginning, not the point where you were working on it. Best wishes, Stephen Harding Freelance author Telephone desk 01256 781557 Telephone mobile 07969 469543 www.shirste.org.uk Skype Shirley_and_Stephen_Harding -Original Message- From: Dan Lewis [mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 July 2015 16:06 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents" On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: > Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a > viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read > many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS > Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those > who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" > word processing, it's fine. > > Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating > "complex documents"? > > Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex > documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? > > I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't > seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. > So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a > "complex document". :) > > I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word > documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was > helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in > portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer > treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but > couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I > reported the bug. > That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". > > Thanks! > > Peace... > > "The other" Tom Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be complex. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
On 07/24/2015 09:31 AM, Tom Williams wrote: Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" word processing, it's fine. Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating "complex documents"? Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a "complex document". :) I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". Thanks! Peace... "The other" Tom Is the problem with Complex documents really about the complexity, or is it about using LO and?Word on a complex document? I have been working with ODF Authors to create documentation for OpenOffice.org and then LibreOffice. I consider these document to be complex. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Question about LO Writer and "complex documents"
Greetings! With all of the recent discussion about Linux being a viable alternative to Windows, in today's computing world, I've read many comments about whether or not LibreOffice is a good alternative to MS Office. Some say yes, others say no. One common comment made by those who say no is Writer isn't good for "complex documents". For "basic" word processing, it's fine. Question: in what ways does LO Writer "fail" at editing or creating "complex documents"? Does anyone here have any experience with LO Writer and "complex documents"? If so, what has your experience been (either good or bad)? I know I haven't actually defined "complex documents" but I haven't seen any definition of that in any of the comments I've read either. So, I'll leave the definition up to whatever you would consider a "complex document". :) I've submitted on LO Writer bug where Writer didn't handle Word documents with pages with different page orientations well. I was helping a friend with a term paper and most of the paper was in portrait orientation, but a few pages were in landscape. LO Writer treated the entire document as either portrait or landscape but couldn't handle the mixture of both. I think that's been fixed, since I reported the bug. That's been about my only experience with a "complex document". Thanks! Peace... "The other" Tom -- /When we dance, you have a way with me, Stay with me... Sway with me.../ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
