Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
Hi Grace, I would like to ask if a feature be added so that form fields can be set as transparent not just colors. This has been something that many users would like to see added: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106810 Would this be possible, and if so how soon could this be added? Write a comment to this bug. Offer arguments why you need it. When opening a form for editing in Base I will get all the controls (except listboxes) with transparent background. It won't show the choosen background. When switching to input data the background will be shown. And now the problem: Background won't be shown in multiline textboxes. When switching from one row to the next the new content is set in front of the old content. So the transparent textbox is unusable. Hope this won't be the same behavior for all controls when setting transparaency has been added to form controls. Regards Robert -- Homepage: https://www.familiegrosskopf.de/robert -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
Gentle Grace, unfortunately it is not possible to guess any date for enhancements as well as for many bugs, unless there is someone funding for that work specifically. In fact, many developers are volunteers and thus it's up to them and their choices and willing to select which bugs or features to work on. On the other side we also have some companies making business on top of LibreOffice (Technology), but in this case you can easily imagine that they need a customer willing to pay for specific developments. We are debating, inside the community and the Foundation, about a voting system to let emerge the most wanted features or fixes to be done, in order to use donors' money to fund the work required for them. As far as I know, this has not yet been put in place. So, if I'm not wrong, we still can't know in advance if and when someone will develop on those cases. I hope to have been clear explaining our ecosystem, otherwise please just ask. --- Gabriele Ponzo Il giorno gio 2 mag 2024 alle ore 19:03 Grace Fleming < ruralgirlstu...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Hello, > I would like to ask if a feature be added so that form fields can be set as > transparent not just colors. This has been something that many users would > like to see added: > > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106810 > > Would this be possible, and if so how soon could this be added? > > Thanks so much for your time and help and for providing great software. > Grace > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] FEATURE REQUEST -- for the Sort options in Calc
At 15:22 28/03/2015 +0100, Stefan Weigel wrote: When sorting, it's not recommended to select a range, rather than a single cell. Calc (or Excel) will select the range to be sorted by its own. Selecting a specific range before sorting is only helpful for very special cases, when automatic selection fails. FYI: RTFM and study the rule For sorting, filtering, or using the Pivot Table, always select only one cell. on page no. 4 of this official manual: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/6/69/CG4108-PivotTables.pdf Unfortunately, the chapter of the manual, that specifically deals with sorting, does not mention this rule. :-/ Interestingly, Chapter 2 does include a couple of useful comments. The basic sort instructions do indeed say Select the cells to be sorted - with no suggestion that you can just put the cursor into a single cell and leave Calc to guess the range to be sorted. But later, under Quick sort (using buttons: what the original enquiry was about), it makes the important proviso *If the columns in your spreadsheet have a header with a text format*, you can use a quick sort (my emphasis), as well as saying Select a cell or a cell range to be sorted. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] FEATURE REQUEST -- for the Sort options in Calc
Hi, Am 26.03.2015 um 01:57 schrieb Richard VINCK: For logical and safety reasons, and for compatibility with Microsoft Excel, I suggest that: * The Sort Option Range contains column labels be_unticked by default. Your suggestion does *not* establish compatibility with Microsoft Excel. Excel tries to *guess* whether the first row of your selection has to be sorted or not, by checking for significant differences between the first row and the subsequent rows in data type and/or formatting. Try yourself in Excel: Z 1 3 A 2 will disappoint your expectations, as well. ;-) It is good that LibreOffice has this option, but a beginner don't know that option and will sort what he/she has selected, and it is frustrating to see that the first column is not sorted at all, thinking it's a bug (like I did). When sorting, it´s not recommended to select a range, rather than a single cell. Calc (or Excel) will select the range to be sorted by its own. Selecting a specific range before sorting is only helpful for very special cases, when automatic selection fails. FYI: RTFM and study the rule For sorting, filtering, or using the Pivot Table, always select only one cell. on page no. 4 of this official manual: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/6/69/CG4108-PivotTables.pdf Unfortunately, the chapter of the manual, that specifically deals with sorting, does not mention this rule. :-/ Cheers, Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request for Calc - input forms and reports
Hi :) Personally i would rather see Base becoming much easier and much more reliable. So instead of duplicating the database functionality it would just be easier to incorporate it's use into spreadsheets that have grown a bit further than might have been planned. I feel like there are signs of this beginning to happen though. The move away from an internal java-based back-end to using a non-java-based one is a good step imo. The database experts on this mailing-list have pointed out that much more needs to be done but i think getting away from java as quickly as reasonably possible has been a crucial 'first' step. Regards from Tom :) On 20 August 2014 14:52, dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm wrote: All, Spreadsheets are wonderful applications for financial analysis and collections of information. We use Calc to store information about the tools in my tool chest, items in the pantry, and I know a lady that uses a spreadsheet for the shoes in her closet. Basically, Calc is being used as a flat-file database, which spreadsheets do well and they are easy to understand. Calc offers the ability to sort and to filter, which is really a type of query. What Calc doesn't offer though is the ability to have input forms and reports. Consider a spreadsheet for the tools in a tool chest. It may have the following fields (columns): ChestNumber, DrawerNumber, SectionNumber, ToolName, ToolDesc, Comment. On sheet 2 there are columns for verification for ChestNumber, DrawerNumber, SectionNumber and ToolName. It would be nice if a custom data input form could be created like is done with Base, though a little easier to create. It would also be nice if there was a report function so I can have a printout of all of my tools. The report may look something like this: Title: Tool Chest Contents Report Date: 8/20/14 Chest Drawer Section Tool NameTool Description/Comment - -- --- --- --- 1 3 1Combination wrenches Wrench sizes: 3mm-33mm 7mm wrench missing Notice that the Comment field has been placed under the Description field. This is commonly done in database reports because most records don't have comments, so there is not much need for a separate column. So, yes, I'm asking for more database features in Calc. However, simple databases are a very common use for spreadsheets, so why not embrace the situation with more functionality? Thanks, Dave -- dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
One additional idea. Have some method so that if you type a character, LO can show you all fonts that have that character. Otherwise it can be difficult to find a font with that character. Bonus: This method would also let you see what that character looks like in different fonts. You may not think about checking some font, but it might have a great looking character (in your opinion) that you need all the time. For example, when typesetting computer code, I prefer a slash through the zero so it does not get confused with a capital Oh. (I know some fonts put a dot inside; I prefer a slash.) Background: I have a program for creating randomized versions of tests. The output format is HTML. I Insert - File into LO so that I can get the page breaks correct (by adding blank lines) and make a PDF file for printing from a computer that does not have LO installed. (Firefox and/or our printer s/w breaks pages differently in Print Preview and when actually printing. Very annoying.) On a recent test, I noticed that the HTML blank; entities did not get changed when inserting, so I had to hunt through different fonts to find that character. That is, the Writer document showed something like blank;blank;100 . Best regards, David Gast From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster [webmas...@krackedpress.com] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 15:05 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters On 11/22/2013 01:20 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 11/21/2013 01:59 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: David Gast wrote: I have two ideas. Interestingly, Windows Vista's Character Map utility (and probably also Windows 7's?) has similar ideas... 1. Highlight the categories, so it is easy to tell where the category starts and ends. Vista's character map has an option to group by Unicode subrange, where only the characters from the selected subrange are shown - as opposed to LibreOffice's current behaviour of jumping to the first character in the range, but giving no easy indication where the range ends. As you suggest, highlighting the range would be similarly helpful. 2. Allow some input box so you could type some substring of the characters' names and get all matching characters. For example, if you typed equal, all characters with equal in the name would be listed. (I do not know if the names are i*18n or not.). Vista's character map does pretty much exactly this. I think the character names are defined in the Unicode standard. Not sure if they're internationalised though. The thing that keeps catching me out with Vista is that after searching, the Search button changes to Reset - so to do a new search you have to first reset, then type the query string, then search; you can't just type a new query and search for it. Mark. I think you are asking for something like Thunderbird's Insert Special Character option. That option might be used as a different Special Character option. I really do not think that it would work on the non-Latin fonts or give you all of the glyphs/characters, especially the Unicode font's glyphs/characters, that the font has to offer or needed. I don't know about Thunderbird, but Windows Vista's character map (which I was describing) does work for all Unicode characters in the selected font. I'd expect Window 7's character map to also work similarly. For example, search for sharp and it returns: ß (U+00DF: Latin Small Letter Sharp S) and ♯ (U+266F: Music Sharp Sign) Want a division sign? My initial attempt searching for divide didn't get it, but trying another term division gets: ÷ (Division Sign) ∕ (Division Slash - not the same as /) ⊘ (Circled Division Slash) ⋇ (Division Times) I'm not certain, but think the names for the characters are defined by the Unicode standard. So I really think we need to keep the existing Special Character option, but could add on the alternative and limited one that Thunderbird has to LO. Since Thunderbird is also Open Source [so I have been told] you should be able to find the coding for this option if you look for it. [maybe even ask their developers for it] I am using it now so I can give you examples. You select all of the a characters, and then go down the scrolled list for the a character you wish to add. à á â ã ä å a; a*' a* a^' There are 30 in the lowercase a list. It looks like that's just searching for characters which look similar to the one you type? Probably based on some sort of lookup table. The Categories are - and some samples from Times [if they go through correctly] Accent Uppercase - È È E`` O;- O^' ? T^ Accent Lowercase - t ? ë e^ e~ Other Uppercase - Æ Ø DZ( Œ Other Lowercase - æ ß ø œ Common Symbols - ¡ ¤ © ® ¶ ¿ Not all of the symbols/characters/glyphs came out correctly on the list's email. I do
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
You are now talking about a font searcher and manager. That should not be part of a word processor, but a separate package. First you need to look at the Unicode specs to get the font data on where the characters should be. The other way would take a lot of programming to look at the font's internal glyph descriptions and then decide if it has an A or a in it. That is not as easy as you think. Our brains will do it just fine, but a computer brain to do the same is something that many other fields have been trying to create for many years. To have a computer see an image and pick out if it has or does not have an image of a font character/glyph, among all of the various styles that fonts come in, can be very hard to do and could take some real complex code to do it even half of the time. Searching a font to see if a glyph is defined in the place it should be could be an easy code to make for someone who knows how to write code that reads the internal font glyph specifications. I do not know if the LO developers can do this or do they get their font coding from other sources, or other project coders of open source packages. As for the blank character, do you know what it the position/placement in the Unicode specifications? That is a start. Actually there is a control character[s] in the ASCII code that do the job. I uses them in programming many times to get to the End-Of-Line [EOL] or go to a new page with Form Feed [FF]. Maybe it is not completely the font's fault, but how Writer and Firefox sees the command of entering a blank line. Does Writer see the blank as text or the control character? Does Firefox? Many time when we use a word processor to create a web page, and not a text editor or web page only WYSIWYG package, the text of blank may be considered to be text and not a command or HTML Tag. br is to be a end of line and go to the next line. But is it the text of these characters or the HTML Tag that you are using? How does Writer knows and how does Firefox? The lines can blur easy enough. Here are some ASCII control codes. Writing this, for the Line Feed character I see the HEX number, a glyph image of a filled in half height square, then control What you will see after this post goes through the server's filters and possible font changing on the email client's end, well I cannot predict all of the possibilities. 000A control = LINE FEED (LF) = new line (NL), end of line (EOL) 000B control = LINE TABULATION = vertical tabulation (VT) 000C control = FORM FEED (FF) 000D control = CARRIAGE RETURN (CR) On 11/23/2013 04:48 PM, David Gast wrote: One additional idea. Have some method so that if you type a character, LO can show you all fonts that have that character. Otherwise it can be difficult to find a font with that character. Bonus: This method would also let you see what that character looks like in different fonts. You may not think about checking some font, but it might have a great looking character (in your opinion) that you need all the time. For example, when typesetting computer code, I prefer a slash through the zero so it does not get confused with a capital Oh. (I know some fonts put a dot inside; I prefer a slash.) Background: I have a program for creating randomized versions of tests. The output format is HTML. I Insert - File into LO so that I can get the page breaks correct (by adding blank lines) and make a PDF file for printing from a computer that does not have LO installed. (Firefox and/or our printer s/w breaks pages differently in Print Preview and when actually printing. Very annoying.) On a recent test, I noticed that the HTML blank; entities did not get changed when inserting, so I had to hunt through different fonts to find that character. That is, the Writer document showed something like blank;blank;100 . Best regards, David Gast From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster [webmas...@krackedpress.com] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 15:05 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters On 11/22/2013 01:20 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 11/21/2013 01:59 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: David Gast wrote: I have two ideas. Interestingly, Windows Vista's Character Map utility (and probably also Windows 7's?) has similar ideas... 1. Highlight the categories, so it is easy to tell where the category starts and ends. Vista's character map has an option to group by Unicode subrange, where only the characters from the selected subrange are shown - as opposed to LibreOffice's current behaviour of jumping to the first character in the range, but giving no easy indication where the range ends. As you suggest, highlighting the range would be similarly helpful. 2. Allow some input box so you could type some substring of the characters' names and get
RE: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
At 21:48 23/11/2013 +, David Gast wrote: On a recent test, I noticed that the HTML blank; entities did not get changed when inserting, ... Could that be because blank; is not an HTML entity?! That is, the Writer document showed something like blank;blank;100 . An HTML principle is that white space is condensed, so two blanks would appear as one anyway. To avoid this, you need the non-breaking space, nbsp;. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
At 01:37 22/11/2013 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote: When I was in grade school, over 60 years ago, lb. meant pound(s). That's only for pounds Avoirdupois (and it's lb, not lb.), of course. Pounds Sterling is £. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On 11/21/2013 01:59 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: David Gast wrote: I have two ideas. Interestingly, Windows Vista's Character Map utility (and probably also Windows 7's?) has similar ideas... 1. Highlight the categories, so it is easy to tell where the category starts and ends. Vista's character map has an option to group by Unicode subrange, where only the characters from the selected subrange are shown - as opposed to LibreOffice's current behaviour of jumping to the first character in the range, but giving no easy indication where the range ends. As you suggest, highlighting the range would be similarly helpful. 2. Allow some input box so you could type some substring of the characters' names and get all matching characters. For example, if you typed equal, all characters with equal in the name would be listed. (I do not know if the names are i*18n or not.). Vista's character map does pretty much exactly this. I think the character names are defined in the Unicode standard. Not sure if they're internationalised though. The thing that keeps catching me out with Vista is that after searching, the Search button changes to Reset - so to do a new search you have to first reset, then type the query string, then search; you can't just type a new query and search for it. Mark. I think you are asking for something like Thunderbird's Insert Special Character option. That option might be used as a different Special Character option. I really do not think that it would work on the non-Latin fonts or give you all of the glyphs/characters, especially the Unicode font's glyphs/characters, that the font has to offer or needed. So I really think we need to keep the existing Special Character option, but could add on the alternative and limited one that Thunderbird has to LO. Since Thunderbird is also Open Source [so I have been told] you should be able to find the coding for this option if you look for it. [maybe even ask their developers for it] I am using it now so I can give you examples. You select all of the a characters, and then go down the scrolled list for the a character you wish to add. à á â ã ä å a; a*' a* a^' There are 30 in the lowercase a list. The Categories are - and some samples from Times [if they go through correctly] Accent Uppercase - È È E`` O;- O^' ? T^ Accent Lowercase - t ? ë e^ e~ Other Uppercase - Æ Ø DZ( Œ Other Lowercase - æ ß ø œ Common Symbols - ¡ ¤ © ® ¶ ¿ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
Doug wrote: On 11/21/2013 02:00 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Then there are the younger users that know # only as hash-tag and not pound-sign. Yes many of the standard characters have different names depending on the languages used. In the UK, # is more commonly known as hash or number sign. For us, pound sign usually means £ ;o) Windows Vista's character map (and probably Windows 7's as well?) displays the name of the selected character (and can search for characters by name). It calls # Number Sign and £ Pound Sign. I think those are the official names defined by Unicode. Mark. I always think of # as being a sharp sign. The musical sharp symbol is slightly different: ♯ When I was in grade school, over 60 years ago, lb. meant pound(s). Writing a script in the bash shell in Linux, you start with #! which is known as shabang. shabang, I think, is short for hash bang - another name for ! being a bang. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 11/21/2013 01:59 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: David Gast wrote: I have two ideas. Interestingly, Windows Vista's Character Map utility (and probably also Windows 7's?) has similar ideas... 1. Highlight the categories, so it is easy to tell where the category starts and ends. Vista's character map has an option to group by Unicode subrange, where only the characters from the selected subrange are shown - as opposed to LibreOffice's current behaviour of jumping to the first character in the range, but giving no easy indication where the range ends. As you suggest, highlighting the range would be similarly helpful. 2. Allow some input box so you could type some substring of the characters' names and get all matching characters. For example, if you typed equal, all characters with equal in the name would be listed. (I do not know if the names are i*18n or not.). Vista's character map does pretty much exactly this. I think the character names are defined in the Unicode standard. Not sure if they're internationalised though. The thing that keeps catching me out with Vista is that after searching, the Search button changes to Reset - so to do a new search you have to first reset, then type the query string, then search; you can't just type a new query and search for it. Mark. I think you are asking for something like Thunderbird's Insert Special Character option. That option might be used as a different Special Character option. I really do not think that it would work on the non-Latin fonts or give you all of the glyphs/characters, especially the Unicode font's glyphs/characters, that the font has to offer or needed. I don't know about Thunderbird, but Windows Vista's character map (which I was describing) does work for all Unicode characters in the selected font. I'd expect Window 7's character map to also work similarly. For example, search for sharp and it returns: ß (U+00DF: Latin Small Letter Sharp S) and ♯ (U+266F: Music Sharp Sign) Want a division sign? My initial attempt searching for divide didn't get it, but trying another term division gets: ÷ (Division Sign) ∕ (Division Slash - not the same as /) ⊘ (Circled Division Slash) ⋇ (Division Times) I'm not certain, but think the names for the characters are defined by the Unicode standard. So I really think we need to keep the existing Special Character option, but could add on the alternative and limited one that Thunderbird has to LO. Since Thunderbird is also Open Source [so I have been told] you should be able to find the coding for this option if you look for it. [maybe even ask their developers for it] I am using it now so I can give you examples. You select all of the a characters, and then go down the scrolled list for the a character you wish to add. à á â ã ä å a; a*' a* a^' There are 30 in the lowercase a list. It looks like that's just searching for characters which look similar to the one you type? Probably based on some sort of lookup table. The Categories are - and some samples from Times [if they go through correctly] Accent Uppercase - È È E`` O;- O^' ? T^ Accent Lowercase - t ? ë e^ e~ Other Uppercase - Æ Ø DZ( Œ Other Lowercase - æ ß ø œ Common Symbols - ¡ ¤ © ® ¶ ¿ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
Mark Bourne wrote: I always think of # as being a sharp sign. The musical sharp symbol is slightly different: ♯ Yeah, it is a bit flat to be a sharp sign. ;-) I've always known it as a number sign. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
Ruth Ann wrote: OT maybe, but does anyone know the name for @ ? Something I have been trying to discover for years :-) Ruth Ann, Cincinnati, OH USA It depends who you ask, and in what language ;o) Unicode calls it commercial at. The article about it on Wikipedia is titled At sign, and mentions some other names: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_sign Mark. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
The recorded voicemail messages (at least here in the U.S.), always instruct us to press the pound key. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 1:23 PM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters Mark Bourne wrote: I always think of # as being a sharp sign. The musical sharp symbol is slightly different: ♯ Yeah, it is a bit flat to be a sharp sign. ;-) I've always known it as a number sign. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
pound sign /n./ *1. * The symbol () for a unit of currency, especially the pound sterling. *2. * The symbol (#) for a pound as a unit of weight. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company http://www.eref-trade.hmco.com/. All rights reserved. Steve On 2013-11-23 08:03, Virgil Arrington wrote: The recorded voicemail messages (at least here in the U.S.), always instruct us to press the pound key. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 1:23 PM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters Mark Bourne wrote: I always think of # as being a sharp sign. The musical sharp symbol is slightly different: ♯ Yeah, it is a bit flat to be a sharp sign. ;-) I've always known it as a number sign. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On 11/22/2013 01:20 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 11/21/2013 01:59 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: David Gast wrote: I have two ideas. Interestingly, Windows Vista's Character Map utility (and probably also Windows 7's?) has similar ideas... 1. Highlight the categories, so it is easy to tell where the category starts and ends. Vista's character map has an option to group by Unicode subrange, where only the characters from the selected subrange are shown - as opposed to LibreOffice's current behaviour of jumping to the first character in the range, but giving no easy indication where the range ends. As you suggest, highlighting the range would be similarly helpful. 2. Allow some input box so you could type some substring of the characters' names and get all matching characters. For example, if you typed equal, all characters with equal in the name would be listed. (I do not know if the names are i*18n or not.). Vista's character map does pretty much exactly this. I think the character names are defined in the Unicode standard. Not sure if they're internationalised though. The thing that keeps catching me out with Vista is that after searching, the Search button changes to Reset - so to do a new search you have to first reset, then type the query string, then search; you can't just type a new query and search for it. Mark. I think you are asking for something like Thunderbird's Insert Special Character option. That option might be used as a different Special Character option. I really do not think that it would work on the non-Latin fonts or give you all of the glyphs/characters, especially the Unicode font's glyphs/characters, that the font has to offer or needed. I don't know about Thunderbird, but Windows Vista's character map (which I was describing) does work for all Unicode characters in the selected font. I'd expect Window 7's character map to also work similarly. For example, search for sharp and it returns: ß (U+00DF: Latin Small Letter Sharp S) and ♯ (U+266F: Music Sharp Sign) Want a division sign? My initial attempt searching for divide didn't get it, but trying another term division gets: ÷ (Division Sign) ∕ (Division Slash - not the same as /) ⊘ (Circled Division Slash) ⋇ (Division Times) I'm not certain, but think the names for the characters are defined by the Unicode standard. So I really think we need to keep the existing Special Character option, but could add on the alternative and limited one that Thunderbird has to LO. Since Thunderbird is also Open Source [so I have been told] you should be able to find the coding for this option if you look for it. [maybe even ask their developers for it] I am using it now so I can give you examples. You select all of the a characters, and then go down the scrolled list for the a character you wish to add. à á â ã ä å a; a*' a* a^' There are 30 in the lowercase a list. It looks like that's just searching for characters which look similar to the one you type? Probably based on some sort of lookup table. The Categories are - and some samples from Times [if they go through correctly] Accent Uppercase - È È E`` O;- O^' ? T^ Accent Lowercase - t ? ë e^ e~ Other Uppercase - Æ Ø DZ( Œ Other Lowercase - æ ß ø œ Common Symbols - ¡ ¤ © ® ¶ ¿ Not all of the symbols/characters/glyphs came out correctly on the list's email. I do wonder if Thunderbird's limited Special Character option is somewhat like the poster's idea of an option for the special characters. As I stated before, it is limited and I would not want to see the current Special Character option be replaced, but the one that Thunderbird has might be an interesting secondary option. As for the division and music glyphs/characters, there is a glyph range in Unicode for music related characters - 1D100 -- 1D1FF. As for the Math symbols, well there are several ranges that are populated with them, for most of these ranges. http://www.unicode.org/charts/ This link has the Unicode names for every symbol that they list. So if you have a musical, mathematic, or any other character/symbol/glyph, you can look through the PDF files for the names of the symbols and see what they look like, or the reverse. There are a lot of symbols for Math that I have not seen in over 20 years and did not remember at all, till I saw their shapes in the lists. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 11/21/2013 11:37 PM, Doug wrote: I always think of # as being a sharp sign I always think of a tic-tac-toe game. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 11/22/2013 1:34 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: Ruth Ann wrote: OT maybe, but does anyone know the name for @ ? Something I have been trying to discover for years :-) Ruth Ann, Cincinnati, OH USA It depends who you ask, and in what language ;o) Unicode calls it commercial at. The article about it on Wikipedia is titled At sign, and mentions some other names: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_sign Mark. In Spanish, at least in Peruvian Spanish, it is called aroba (or maybe it's arroba). -- Dale Erwin Jr. 28 de Julio 657, Depto. 03 Magdalena del Mar, Lima 17 PERU http://leather.casaerwin.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Then there are the younger users that know # only as hash-tag and not pound-sign. Yes many of the standard characters have different names depending on the languages used. In the UK, # is more commonly known as hash or number sign. For us, pound sign usually means £ ;o) Windows Vista's character map (and probably Windows 7's as well?) displays the name of the selected character (and can search for characters by name). It calls # Number Sign and £ Pound Sign. I think those are the official names defined by Unicode. Mark. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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David Gast wrote: I have two ideas. Interestingly, Windows Vista's Character Map utility (and probably also Windows 7's?) has similar ideas... 1. Highlight the categories, so it is easy to tell where the category starts and ends. Vista's character map has an option to group by Unicode subrange, where only the characters from the selected subrange are shown - as opposed to LibreOffice's current behaviour of jumping to the first character in the range, but giving no easy indication where the range ends. As you suggest, highlighting the range would be similarly helpful. 2. Allow some input box so you could type some substring of the characters' names and get all matching characters. For example, if you typed equal, all characters with equal in the name would be listed. (I do not know if the names are i*18n or not.). Vista's character map does pretty much exactly this. I think the character names are defined in the Unicode standard. Not sure if they're internationalised though. The thing that keeps catching me out with Vista is that after searching, the Search button changes to Reset - so to do a new search you have to first reset, then type the query string, then search; you can't just type a new query and search for it. Mark. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Then there are the younger users that know # only as hash-tag and not pound-sign. Yes many of the standard characters have different names depending on the languages used. In the UK, # is more commonly known as hash or number sign. For us, pound sign usually means £ ;o) Windows Vista's character map (and probably Windows 7's as well?) displays the name of the selected character (and can search for characters by name). It calls # Number Sign and £ Pound Sign. I think those are the official names defined by Unicode. Mark. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 11/21/2013 02:00 PM, Mark Bourne wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Then there are the younger users that know # only as hash-tag and not pound-sign. Yes many of the standard characters have different names depending on the languages used. In the UK, # is more commonly known as hash or number sign. For us, pound sign usually means £ ;o) Windows Vista's character map (and probably Windows 7's as well?) displays the name of the selected character (and can search for characters by name). It calls # Number Sign and £ Pound Sign. I think those are the official names defined by Unicode. Mark. I always think of # as being a sharp sign. When I was in grade school, over 60 years ago, lb. meant pound(s). Writing a script in the bash shell in Linux, you start with #! which is known as shabang. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers..for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M.Greeley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Who doesn't know the word ampersand ... who now days doesn't know the at-sign ... and the tilde is one of the marks, in the Romance languages, placed over some of their letters to distinguish meanings ... From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com Date: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters To: users@global.libreoffice.org At 17:35 16/11/2013 +, Toki Jonathon Kantoor wrote: Under what circumstances would one be using glyphs they know not the name of? Many people do not know the name ampersand. No-one knows what @ is called. Some people think ~ is a tilde. (Hint: it's a swung dash.) ;^) Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Yes, I can imagine that some native French speaking people don't know the meaning of at, spoken for them as èt, but the sign @ is ar(r)obas(e) in French. In Dutch it is called apestaartje (monkey tale), but at is more commonly used... Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer TVH GROUP NV Brabantstraat 15 • BE-8790 WAREGEM T +32 56 43 42 11 • F +32 56 43 44 88 • www.tvh.com On 18 November 2013 16:02, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: Who doesn't know the word ampersand ... who now days doesn't know the at-sign ... and the tilde is one of the marks, in the Romance languages, placed over some of their letters to distinguish meanings ... From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com Date: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters To: users@global.libreoffice.org At 17:35 16/11/2013 +, Toki Jonathon Kantoor wrote: Under what circumstances would one be using glyphs they know not the name of? Many people do not know the name ampersand. No-one knows what @ is called. Some people think ~ is a tilde. (Hint: it's a swung dash.) ;^) Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- DISCLAIMER http://www.tvh.com/newen2/emaildisclaimer/default.html This message is delivered to all addressees subject to the conditions set forth in the attached disclaimer, which is an integral part of this message. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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the more things change, the more they stay the same ;-) This is quite an interesting list; thanks for sharing. From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com Date: Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters To: users@global.libreoffice.org On 11/18/2013 10:17 AM, Dries Feys wrote: Yes, I can imagine that some native French speaking people don't know the meaning of at, spoken for them as èt, but the sign @ is ar(r)obas(e) in French. In Dutch it is called apestaartje (monkey tale), but at is more commonly used... Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer TVH GROUP NV Brabantstraat 15 • BE-8790 WAREGEM T +32 56 43 42 11 • F +32 56 43 44 88 • www.tvh.com snip Then there are the younger users that know # only as hash-tag and not pound-sign. Yes many of the standard characters have different names depending on the languages used. I just recently download over 200 PDF files that have the Unicode character glyphs and their names listed together. Plus it gives some other, and sometimes, interesting information with the names. Blow are a few of the English Keyboard glyphs and what was stated about them. 0023 # NUMBER SIGN = pound sign, hash, crosshatch, octothorpe → 2114 ℔ l b bar symbol → 266F ♯ music sharp sign ⁓ 0023 FE0E text style ⁓ 0023 FE0F emoji style 0026 AMPERSAND → 204A ⁊ tironian sign et → 214B ⅋ turned ampersand 0027 ' APOSTROPHE = apostrophe-quote (1.0) = APL quote • neutral (vertical) glyph with mixed usage • 2019 ’ is preferred for apostrophe • preferred characters in English for paired quotation marks are 2018 ‘ 2019 ’ • 05F3 ׳is preferred for geresh when writing Hebrew → 02B9 ʹ modifier letter prime → 02BC ʼ modifier letter apostrophe → 02C8 ˈ modifier letter vertical line → 0301 $́ combining acute accent → 05F3 ׳hebrew punctuation geresh → 2032 ′ prime → A78C ꞌ latin small letter saltillo 0060 ` GRAVE ACCENT • this is a spacing character → 02CB ˋ modifier letter grave accent → 0300 $̀ combining grave accent → 2035 ‵ reversed prime 007E ~ TILDE • this is a spacing character → 02DC ̃ small tilde → 0303 $̃ combining tilde → 2053 ⁓ swung dash → 223C ∼ tilde operator → FF5E ~ fullwidth tilde -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On 11/15/2013 05:17 PM, Paul wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:34:33 -0500 Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: On 11/15/2013 01:19 PM, Paul wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:06:05 + jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds simple enough (and useful) to me, and I'm not sure I agree with e-letter's objection above, Instead of the current theoretical maximum of 2000 page to search for a rarely used glyph, whose position is known, you'd have to search through 25000 pages for a glyph whose position is both unknown, and unknowable to all, except the creator of the font palette. I really have no idea what you are talking about here... How does 2000 or 25000 come into it at all? We're simply talking about being able to filter the list by custom selections, be that their 20-40 most used, Engineering symbols, or whatever. They are talking about Unicode fonts. They could have 2 to 10 thousand glyphs, depending on which language glyphs are supported. What you are asking may be in the basic special character sets in Basic Latin, Latin-1, Latin Extended A and B, among other glyph sets in a well rounded font. There may be 100 to 500 glyphs in those sets in your popular fonts that are used. The sets do have names that are defined by the font standards, but I never remember the names or what goes where. That still doesn't make any sense. What is this theoretical 2000 page maximum? And why would the glyph's position be known? That's assuming you know where the glyph is. Most cases you would only know what it looks like, but not where it is in the list, hence why you would want some sort of filter to make it easier to find. And why would a filter on the special characters mean that you suddenly need to search through 25000 pages? You would need to search through *less* characters, not more, because you have filtered the list to only show a subset. As I see it, the major problem with this is that changing the font changes the available special characters. So any subset that was defined might not have all the characters available for the selected font, but surely that could be shown quite simply? Or would certain fonts have certain special characters at different unicode locations, i.e. would different fonts have different symbols for the same unicode point (or whatever it is called)? And where does the current list of subsets come from anyway? Is that defined within the font? Here is a PDF file with two fonts and their named glyph sets shown in screen clips of the Insert Special Character option. Liberation Serif has 29 named sets within the range of glyph positions. The second font is Arial Unicode MS, which has 79 named sets within the same range [plus on more position] http://LibreOffice-NA.US/special-characters-1.pdf All glyphs have positions in the list of glyphs. The space character is U+0020, and the ? is U+003F. Liberation Serif contains various glyphs from U+0020 to U+FFFC, while Arial Unicode MS goes to U+FFFD. Arial Unicode MS includes a large collection of glyphs from many different languages, while Liberation Serif skips most of them. To be honest, the basic Latin glyphs that use the letters that English, Spanish, French, etc., use for their languages, reside in just a few glyph sets. Most fonts have these sets plus some of the glyphs used in Mathematics and other specialized usage in those languages, as well as some others. For the fonts that have more glyphs than your standard fonts, they could contain glyphs for non-Latin-based languages and other special glyphs needed by the user. But then there are those fonts that do not use the standard of this glyph goes here and use there own specialized glyph sets. Many Calligraphy fonts have additional fonts that contain combinations of letters that you might see in the art of hand Calligraphy. Also there are those special fonts that are in the dingbat, wingbat, webdings, and other names of fonts that are composed of special images in each glyph position. The number 2 could be an arrow pointing down and slightly to the left, or it could be a snowflake, or a pumpkin. These fonts will not adhere to the glyph name set standards. . . . . And you thought fonts were easy to understand . . . . Fonts are easy to use but the internal information stored within the fonts, the glyphs, the set information, and a whole bunch more that most people never will know about unless you use a font creation software. The whole point of this posting is that there may be a lot of things that would need to be known and done for a special character sorting or filtering routine that would work for the major percent of the fonts out there. Then there are the pesky ones that will make the routine fail badly. To be honest, I am not an expert on fonts. I have a very large collection of fonts - over 214,000 files in 15.2 GB of drive space [according to the properties info on the folders that
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On 11/15/2013 10:17 PM, Paul wrote: That still doesn't make any sense. What is this theoretical 2000 page maximum? Unicode allows for 1,114,112 different glyphs, excluding variants. with variants, you are looking at roughly 1,750,000 glyphs. And why would the glyph's position be known? Taking, thorn, for example, with the current setup, one knows to look in the Runic range. when the sub-range is at the whim of a programmer, it could be literally anywhere. Most cases you would only know what it looks like, but not where it is in the list, hence why you would want some sort of filter to make it easier to find. Under what circumstances would one be using glyphs they know not the name of? And why would a filter on the special characters mean that you suddenly need to search through 25000 pages? You would need to search through *less* characters, not more, because you have filtered the list to only show a subset. The claim is that the current filters are inadequate. Thus, the need to dummy it down, so that it is less efficient, more time consuming, and awkward to use. But because less glyphs are displayed, Joe Sixpack thinks it is easier to use. As I see it, the major problem with this is that changing the font changes the available special characters. Obviously that is going to happen. That is the desired and expected behaviour. To do otherwise would constitute a show-stopping bug of the highest possible priority to fix. Or would certain fonts have certain special characters at different unicode locations, i.e. would different fonts have different symbols for the same unicode point (or whatever it is called)? Those are variants, and are part of the Unicode specification. If font creators correctly implement the full sub-range, those variants would be included, but since, for various reasons, won't implement the full sub-range, the variants are omitted. And where does the current list of subsets come from anyway? Is that defined within the font? The Unicode Specification. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On 11/16/2013 08:17 PM, Paul wrote: Unicode allows for 1,114,112 different glyphs, excluding variants. with variants, you are looking at roughly 1,750,000 glyphs. And so... how does this relate to 2000 pages? The largest currently available Pan-Unicode font contains roughly 100,000 glyphs. (There are several speciality font packages that contain more glyphs, but they are not Pan-Unicode fonts.) Divide the number of glyphs in the font by the number of glyphs displayed in the screen. Taking, thorn, for example, with the current setup, one knows to look in the Runic range. You might, but that doesn't mean everybody does. Only if one has paid absolutely no attention to how glyphs in the font are organized. Even a thirty second scan shows that it is ordered by writing system. when the sub-range is at the whim of a programmer, it could be literally anywhere. Sure, but the assumption is that it is easier to find a glyph by usage than by name The issue you fail to recognize is that the same glyph can be used in any number of different fields, to represent very different concepts and meanings. The claim is that the current filters are inadequate. Thus, the need to dummy it down, so that it is less efficient, more time consuming, and awkward to use. Why on earth would I want to make it *more* complex if it is too difficult as it is? I can see you clearly don't understand the suggestion. Take a look at the problems created by the various types of indexing methods used for Chinese dictionaries, and why each of those indexing solutions is touted as being the best, and thus only system that should be used. But because less glyphs are displayed, Joe Sixpack thinks it is easier to use. Exactly. So useful for Joe Sixpack, if not for you. Less glyphs displayed means more pages have to be viewed to find the appropriate glyph. Which means that in the long run, it will be even more awkward for Joe Sixpack. What I'm proposing is another dropdown, let's call it filters, that would allow you to display only the glyphs that belong in that filter. Do that as a user-installable extension. If you know, however, that you need the ohm symbol, but don't know where to find it, you can change the filter dropdown to Electrical Symbols, and the subsection dropdown will go blank, and the list of characters will only show those characters that are defined in the xml file as belonging to electrical symbols, making ohm easier to find. What happens when the ohm symbol is not in the set of Electrical Symbols? Joe Sixpack is even more lost than under the current setup. And if your font is webdings or whatever, and the character for ohm doesn't look like an ohm, then you will get a pumpkin, or whatever, Then you are back with the mess that fonts were, before most software incorporated, and could utilize Unicode. Now does that really sound like it would be *more* complex? Would it make the number of pages go from 2000 to 25000? Would it leave you at the whim of the programmer? I don't think so. What happens when the programmer omits glyphs because s/he thinks that they are so rare/obscure that they will not be useḍ? IIRC, there are around 10,000 glyphs waiting to be voted on, each of which is used only in one or two very specific circumstances, but without which, it will be like the Japanese newspapers that consistently misspelled the name of their premier, because their font lacked the appropriate glyphs. jonadthon * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:59:04 + jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/16/2013 08:17 PM, Paul wrote: Taking, thorn, for example, with the current setup, one knows to look in the Runic range. You might, but that doesn't mean everybody does. Only if one has paid absolutely no attention to how glyphs in the font are organized. Even a thirty second scan shows that it is ordered by writing system. That assumes, among other things, that the user knows what thorn is. As an example, let's say the user wants to write a small section about mathematical sets, and needs the intersection symbol. I just tried to look that up in the special characters dialog, and had absolutely no idea where it was. And the list was simply too long to search through by brute force. Luckily, one of the subsets is helpfully named Mathematical Operators. Makes it very easy to find. But why are there no Engineering Operators or Electrical Operators? Now what do I do if I need one of those? Yes, I realise why there are no such categories defined within unicode, that's not my point. My point is if that's what I'm looking for, it would be handy to have such a subset. when the sub-range is at the whim of a programmer, it could be literally anywhere. Sure, but the assumption is that it is easier to find a glyph by usage than by name The issue you fail to recognize is that the same glyph can be used in any number of different fields, to represent very different concepts and meanings. You are mistaken. I don't fail to recognise that. I am fully aware of that. And there is nothing stopping the same unicode character being included in multiple filters. Perhaps you don't fully understand how the proposed system works. The claim is that the current filters are inadequate. Thus, the need to dummy it down, so that it is less efficient, more time consuming, and awkward to use. Why on earth would I want to make it *more* complex if it is too difficult as it is? I can see you clearly don't understand the suggestion. Take a look at the problems created by the various types of indexing methods used for Chinese dictionaries, and why each of those indexing solutions is touted as being the best, and thus only system that should be used. Not knowing anything about this, I won't comment. But you tell me, why exactly is my system more complex? But because less glyphs are displayed, Joe Sixpack thinks it is easier to use. Exactly. So useful for Joe Sixpack, if not for you. Less glyphs displayed means more pages have to be viewed to find the appropriate glyph. Which means that in the long run, it will be even more awkward for Joe Sixpack. Only if it's not in the filter he thinks it is in. Chances are he has at least some idea of what purpose it serves, and so will be able to find it in an aptly named filter (or think of them as a collection). If he truly has no idea where it might be, then there is probably no help for him, short of some sort of sketch-and-search, which would be one smashing great idea, but is probably technically unfeasable. Do that as a user-installable extension. Sure. No reason not to. That would be a first step. Although I don't see why it couldn't be part of the core LO, but no, it wouldn't have to be. What happens when the ohm symbol is not in the set of Electrical Symbols? Joe Sixpack is even more lost than under the current setup. Well, then he either needs to do an exhaustive manual search, or download a more complete filter/collection. Or amend it himself. And if your font is webdings or whatever, and the character for ohm doesn't look like an ohm, then you will get a pumpkin, or whatever, Then you are back with the mess that fonts were, before most software incorporated, and could utilize Unicode. That has nothing to do with this idea, that problem exists all on its own. You try webdings in the current Special Characters dialog and tell me that the problem would be purely in my extension. What happens when the programmer omits glyphs because s/he thinks that they are so rare/obscure that they will not be useḍ? As I stated, download a more complete filter/collection, or make one yourself. Chances are that any offical ones would be fairly complete to start with, but the whole point of my system (which is just how I envision the OP's enhancement idea) is that it would be extensible. I really should have called it a collection, rather than a filter, that might have avoided some confusion. Paul -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
Sounds simple enough (and useful) to me, and I'm not sure I agree with e-letter's objection above, Instead of the current theoretical maximum of 2000 page to search for a rarely used glyph, whose position is known, you'd have to search through 25000 pages for a glyph whose position is both unknown, and unknowable to all, except the creator of the font palette. Someone with more indepth knowledge care to comment on the feasibility of this? My suggestion is that an extension be made, either forking the Thunderbird extension _abcTajpu_, or one that requires the user add their 20-40 most used glyphs. jonaθon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On 11/15/2013 01:19 PM, Paul wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:06:05 + jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds simple enough (and useful) to me, and I'm not sure I agree with e-letter's objection above, Instead of the current theoretical maximum of 2000 page to search for a rarely used glyph, whose position is known, you'd have to search through 25000 pages for a glyph whose position is both unknown, and unknowable to all, except the creator of the font palette. I really have no idea what you are talking about here... How does 2000 or 25000 come into it at all? We're simply talking about being able to filter the list by custom selections, be that their 20-40 most used, Engineering symbols, or whatever. They are talking about Unicode fonts. They could have 2 to 10 thousand glyphs, depending on which language glyphs are supported. What you are asking may be in the basic special character sets in Basic Latin, Latin-1, Latin Extended A and B, among other glyph sets in a well rounded font. There may be 100 to 500 glyphs in those sets in your popular fonts that are used. The sets do have names that are defined by the font standards, but I never remember the names or what goes where. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:34:33 -0500 Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: On 11/15/2013 01:19 PM, Paul wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:06:05 + jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds simple enough (and useful) to me, and I'm not sure I agree with e-letter's objection above, Instead of the current theoretical maximum of 2000 page to search for a rarely used glyph, whose position is known, you'd have to search through 25000 pages for a glyph whose position is both unknown, and unknowable to all, except the creator of the font palette. I really have no idea what you are talking about here... How does 2000 or 25000 come into it at all? We're simply talking about being able to filter the list by custom selections, be that their 20-40 most used, Engineering symbols, or whatever. They are talking about Unicode fonts. They could have 2 to 10 thousand glyphs, depending on which language glyphs are supported. What you are asking may be in the basic special character sets in Basic Latin, Latin-1, Latin Extended A and B, among other glyph sets in a well rounded font. There may be 100 to 500 glyphs in those sets in your popular fonts that are used. The sets do have names that are defined by the font standards, but I never remember the names or what goes where. That still doesn't make any sense. What is this theoretical 2000 page maximum? And why would the glyph's position be known? That's assuming you know where the glyph is. Most cases you would only know what it looks like, but not where it is in the list, hence why you would want some sort of filter to make it easier to find. And why would a filter on the special characters mean that you suddenly need to search through 25000 pages? You would need to search through *less* characters, not more, because you have filtered the list to only show a subset. As I see it, the major problem with this is that changing the font changes the available special characters. So any subset that was defined might not have all the characters available for the selected font, but surely that could be shown quite simply? Or would certain fonts have certain special characters at different unicode locations, i.e. would different fonts have different symbols for the same unicode point (or whatever it is called)? And where does the current list of subsets come from anyway? Is that defined within the font? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
I have two ideas. 1. Highlight the categories, so it is easy to tell where the category starts and ends. 2. Allow some input box so you could type some substring of the characters' names and get all matching characters. For example, if you typed equal, all characters with equal in the name would be listed. (I do not know if the names are i*18n or not.). I also have a related question. Is the some way to sort using LC_COLLATE=C, that is, the ASCII character set, rather than en_US.ISO8859-15 or something similar? Best regards, David Gast From: Regina Henschel [rb.hensc...@t-online.de] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 07:55 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters Hi Steve, Steve Gruspier schrieb: Hello: I was wondering if this was the place to request a feature. I was thinking the Special Character section is very cluttered. My feature request is a setting that would narrow down special characters to ones that are used in specific fields such as Engineering or Physics. Something along those lines that could help people become more efficient using Libreoffice. I am constantly using special characters such as the ohms (uppercase omega) symbol for resistance, particularly when I use Libreoffice to generate tests. I do not like the idea to remove characters or group them in another way. The Unicode groups are well defined and easy to handle. But I would like the idea of a user defined, favorite characters list or similar, or even more then one, each for a special topic. For your problem I think of this methods: * Write an Autotext or a document, which contains all your favorite characters. Open it beside your actual text and use copypaste to insert the characters. * Use your OS to insert the character by typing the number; you need a list of numbers beside your keyboard. * Use a macro to insert a special character. You can connect the macro to a button; I use the character itself as name of the button, so it is shown on the button. So you can generate your own toolbar with your favorite characters. For Writer such macro in Basic is for example (I hope the line end are set correctly in mail transport): Sub lcl_InsertCharacter_Writer(byval sChar as string) Dim oDoc as variant: oDoc = ThisComponent Dim oCurrentController as variant: oCurrentController = oDoc.getCurrentController() if not(oCurrentController.supportsService(com.sun.star.text.TextDocumentView)) then msgbox(Only for Writer) exit sub end if Dim oTextViewCursor as variant: oTextViewCursor = oCurrentController.getViewCursor() Dim oText as variant If IsEmpty(oTextViewCursor.Cell) Then oText=oTextViewCursor.Text Else oText=oTextViewCursor.Cell.Text End If oText.insertString(oTextViewCursor,sChar,false) End Sub That is the general method, and for each single character: sub OE_Lower_Ligature lcl_InsertCharacter_Writer(chr(clng(H153))) end sub Here H153 is the number of the character œ , H is the markup for a hex-number and 153 is the number itself, as can be seen in the special character dialog. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On 13/11/2013, Steve Gruspier s...@alfred.edu wrote: Hello: I was wondering if this was the place to request a feature. I was Perhaps as discussion, then submit via bugzilla. thinking the Special Character section is very cluttered. My feature request is a setting that would narrow down special characters to ones that are used in specific fields such as Engineering or Physics. Not a good idea; suppose 'ε' has different definitions for different disciplines. The dialogue window would have duplicates of each special character for each field because users would navigate to the field of personal interest and ignore other fields of knowledge. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:12:46 + e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/11/2013, Steve Gruspier s...@alfred.edu wrote: thinking the Special Character section is very cluttered. My feature request is a setting that would narrow down special characters to ones that are used in specific fields such as Engineering or Physics. Not a good idea; suppose 'ε' has different definitions for different disciplines. The dialogue window would have duplicates of each special character for each field because users would navigate to the field of personal interest and ignore other fields of knowledge. Actually, I like the idea. The current Special Characters dialog allows you to choose a font and a subset. I'm not entirely sure how the subset is derived (I'm really not that clued up on all the unicode complexities), but they seem to be just a quick way to navigate the large, complete list of characters. It might be more useful to have another dropdown that lets you choose a custom subset of characters, and only show that subset. Default subsets could be things like Engineering, Maths, etc, and you could design your own. Each subset would just have a list of which characters to display. Sounds simple enough (and useful) to me, and I'm not sure I agree with e-letter's objection above, but as I said, I don't understand the complexities of things like how changing the fonts might affect this, etc, so perhaps there are technical hurdles to this. Someone with more indepth knowledge care to comment on the feasability of this? Paul -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On 11/13/2013 04:28 PM, Steve Gruspier wrote: Hello: I was wondering if this was the place to request a feature. I was thinking the Special Character section is very cluttered. My feature request is a setting that would narrow down special characters to ones that are used in specific fields such as Engineering or Physics. Something along those lines that could help people become more efficient using Libreoffice. I am constantly using special characters such as the ohms (uppercase omega) symbol for resistance, particularly when I use Libreoffice to generate tests. Who gets to decide which font glyphs get removed? Remember Special Characters is really a list of all of the glyphs that the font being used has defined. If I use Arial Unicode, I get all of those glyphs that are actual letters and such of non-Latin character-based languages, like Asian languages. How about the fonts that contain no letters but images and other glyphs, like arrows, dingbats, wingbats, and other images that may be needed to be used by the user. I use many fonts that are image only types in my document creations, form time to time. There are a vast number of specialty fonts that are designed to give the users images instead of letter style of glyphs. Now the big question - how do you define a new Special Character option like these are for Engineering and these are for Physics or Mathematics, that will know that this font does, or not, have the categories of glyphs for ALL of the 200,000 and more fonts out there? That is not something I would attempt. My collection of 200,000+ font files have such a variety of glyphs and placement of these glyphs, that there is no way to do what you ask unless you require a users to only use a preset set of fonts, and no others, in the Spacial Character options. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
Hi Steve, Steve Gruspier schrieb: Hello: I was wondering if this was the place to request a feature. I was thinking the Special Character section is very cluttered. My feature request is a setting that would narrow down special characters to ones that are used in specific fields such as Engineering or Physics. Something along those lines that could help people become more efficient using Libreoffice. I am constantly using special characters such as the ohms (uppercase omega) symbol for resistance, particularly when I use Libreoffice to generate tests. I do not like the idea to remove characters or group them in another way. The Unicode groups are well defined and easy to handle. But I would like the idea of a user defined, favorite characters list or similar, or even more then one, each for a special topic. For your problem I think of this methods: * Write an Autotext or a document, which contains all your favorite characters. Open it beside your actual text and use copypaste to insert the characters. * Use your OS to insert the character by typing the number; you need a list of numbers beside your keyboard. * Use a macro to insert a special character. You can connect the macro to a button; I use the character itself as name of the button, so it is shown on the button. So you can generate your own toolbar with your favorite characters. For Writer such macro in Basic is for example (I hope the line end are set correctly in mail transport): Sub lcl_InsertCharacter_Writer(byval sChar as string) Dim oDoc as variant: oDoc = ThisComponent Dim oCurrentController as variant: oCurrentController = oDoc.getCurrentController() if not(oCurrentController.supportsService(com.sun.star.text.TextDocumentView)) then msgbox(Only for Writer) exit sub end if Dim oTextViewCursor as variant: oTextViewCursor = oCurrentController.getViewCursor() Dim oText as variant If IsEmpty(oTextViewCursor.Cell) Then oText=oTextViewCursor.Text Else oText=oTextViewCursor.Cell.Text End If oText.insertString(oTextViewCursor,sChar,false) End Sub That is the general method, and for each single character: sub OE_Lower_Ligature lcl_InsertCharacter_Writer(chr(clng(H153))) end sub Here H153 is the number of the character œ , H is the markup for a hex-number and 153 is the number itself, as can be seen in the special character dialog. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request - Categories for special characters
On 11/14/2013 10:55 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Steve, Steve Gruspier schrieb: Hello: I was wondering if this was the place to request a feature. I was thinking the Special Character section is very cluttered. My feature request is a setting that would narrow down special characters to ones that are used in specific fields such as Engineering or Physics. Something along those lines that could help people become more efficient using Libreoffice. I am constantly using special characters such as the ohms (uppercase omega) symbol for resistance, particularly when I use Libreoffice to generate tests. I do not like the idea to remove characters or group them in another way. The Unicode groups are well defined and easy to handle. But I would like the idea of a user defined, favorite characters list or similar, or even more then one, each for a special topic. For your problem I think of this methods: * Write an Autotext or a document, which contains all your favorite characters. Open it beside your actual text and use copypaste to insert the characters. * Use your OS to insert the character by typing the number; you need a list of numbers beside your keyboard. /snip/ The first suggestion is almost what you can do in WordPerfect. In WP, you can type ctrl-w and a package of 10 windows opens, each with about 40 special characters. Then you can hi-lite one and paste it. You probably only need one window so the proposed solution looks very reasonable. --doug -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
Le 11/10/2013 00:09, CougarB a écrit : When I was a full-time journalist in the 1980s, I became very successful using a dedicated outliner called PCOutline. When all the major Word Processers came along--MS Word, Word Perfect, etc, the lack of outliner functionality kept me with my archaic outliner until MS Word beat the functionality of PCOutline. As a partial workaround, did you try the menu File Send Create AutoAbstract... ? Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
On 10/10/2013, CougarB couga...@gmail.com wrote: I used outlining as my main method of work when a full-time technical writer in the 90s (e.g., Fujitsu Software in San Jose). While working for a java house, I was so influenced by the negative developer reactions to MS, that I've been wishing to move to OpenOffice or LibraOffice ever since they came along. But you don't have the functionality that I need, and furthermore, the discussions of outlining on this forum seem to miss the whole point, from my point of view. There are many outliner tools out there, why use a word-processor when a text editor such as Leo or Jedit can achieve outline functionality? Alternatively, use LO writer styles and the navigator toolbar. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
On 10/10/2013 10:50 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I am not a Macro person, but I wonder how much of this can be done with Macros. This is where it would have been extremely useful to have access to source code for OOo extensions. Everything requested was not only doable, but done by people using OOo 2.x, and the appropriate extensions. Those extensions were, naturally enough, broken in OOo 3.x. Use Running Headers, configure Outline Numbering appropriately, and use Navigator to move the paragraphs around, will take care of the first request. I've forgotten what the name of the extension that provided the functionality described in the second and third request. :( Adroit use of Navigator almost suffices for that functionality. Navigator does have its annoyances, chief of which is collapsing when switching between different objects within the document. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
I Know that the DEVs do not have much time to read these posts, but I hoped that some poeple on this list might know enough about the Macros to know if it was possible. Since I am not on the DEVs list, maybe someone can forward the original posting to their list I did not know a feature request was to go onto the BUGS tracking system. I thought it was just for posting bugs that crop up in a version. On 10/10/2013 07:20 PM, Joel Madero wrote: Just a friendly reminder that devs rarely track this mailing list. If you have a feature request it belongs on our bug tracker (bugs.freedesktop.org) else it will never get implemented. Best, Joel On 10/10/2013 03:50 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I am not a Macro person, but I wonder how much of this can be done with Macros. I know one book writer that does a great deal of his work through macros he created over the years. He could not find any word processor package that did what he wanted so he learned to write macros. First with Star Office, then OOo, and now using LO on his Linux system. I do not remember all of the things he wrote about in his author's notes before he got into his e-newsletter, but one time he did talk about all of the things he needed to be done and went out to find a package that could do it through the macros. The last author's notes was about getting OOo running on a new Linux system. That was when it was in the late 1.x stage or early 2.x one. Just about 2 years ago, I found out he switched to LO. He no longer writes/co-writes 4 to 6 books a year, but he still does a few, now that he is in his late 70's. So Those who are really good at writing Macros, how much of the info below can be taken care of through some type of macros? On 10/10/2013 06:09 PM, CougarB wrote: When I was a full-time journalist in the 1980s, I became very successful using a dedicated outliner called PCOutline. When all the major Word Processers came along--MS Word, Word Perfect, etc, the lack of outliner functionality kept me with my archaic outliner until MS Word beat the functionality of PCOutline. I used outlining as my main method of work when a full-time technical writer in the 90s (e.g., Fujitsu Software in San Jose). While working for a java house, I was so influenced by the negative developer reactions to MS, that I've been wishing to move to OpenOffice or LibraOffice ever since they came along. But you don't have the functionality that I need, and furthermore, the discussions of outlining on this forum seem to miss the whole point, from my point of view. I'm a very motivated wannabe LibraOffice user who currently can't make the switch, because although I'm retired and writing fiction, the power of an outliner for writing in all genres is something I can't live without. So my reasons are complex--sorry about that--but tl:dr will not allow you to understand them. Please take the time. I really want to quit Microsoft Office forever and ever and ever. Thanx. The first functionality I need might seem mickey mouse, but it's the foundation for everything else. This is that in Word's outliner view, there's a button in front of every paragraph that I can drag and drop up and down. It's like cut and paste, but a lot faster. Combined with other features, it's extremely powerful. The second functionality I need is to be able to collapse things. In an article of 25 paragraphs, I can hide every line except the first line of the paragraph, thus allowing me to see the entire article of 25 paragraphs on the screen at the same time. This allows me to completely rearrange the entire article by drop and drag. For editing a single sentence or paragraph, I insert a return between sentences, phrases, and even words, drop and drag these elements into a new order, and delete the returns. Voila! A much better constructed paragraph or sentence in a snap. The third functionality is to collapse things within headers. For instance, if I've interviewed a dozen people for an article or if I've brainstormed 5 pages of random ideas for a blog or a chapter in a novel, I create headers for different topics and then drag and drop paragraphs, quotes, ideas, etc into the headers or buckets I've created. When one header becomes too full and fills too much of the screen, I collapse it, so that it hides all the paragraphs already there, which cleans up the screen. When I'm done with this step, I have half a dozen headers, under which are many different ideas, all of which are completely hidden. So I drag and drop my half a dozen headers into the correct order. Then I open the first main header and create a bunch of subheaders. Once this is done, I reorganize all of the points in this first section into subsections or sub-buckets, collapsing them all as needed until everything is organized into a number of different subheaders. At this point, I can rearrange all of these
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
I've been using opml editor (on Windows, unfortunately) which seems to do all these things. Once stuff is in place it can be copied and pasted into a LO document, I believe. I've even been able to do a bit in Text Pad with indents and then copying it into the opml editor creates a good outline. I think Scrivener is based on opml and has all of the functionality you mention. There seems to be a beta version of Scrivener for Linux; it's well established for Windows and Mac; and I think once the outlining is done the finished document exports to LO or M$ Word. On Thu, 2013-10-10 at 15:09 -0700, CougarB wrote: When I was a full-time journalist in the 1980s, I became very successful using a dedicated outliner called PCOutline. When all the major Word Processers came along--MS Word, Word Perfect, etc, the lack of outliner functionality kept me with my archaic outliner until MS Word beat the functionality of PCOutline. I used outlining as my main method of work when a full-time technical writer in the 90s (e.g., Fujitsu Software in San Jose). While working for a java house, I was so influenced by the negative developer reactions to MS, that I've been wishing to move to OpenOffice or LibraOffice ever since they came along. But you don't have the functionality that I need, and furthermore, the discussions of outlining on this forum seem to miss the whole point, from my point of view. I'm a very motivated wannabe LibraOffice user who currently can't make the switch, because although I'm retired and writing fiction, the power of an outliner for writing in all genres is something I can't live without. So my reasons are complex--sorry about that--but tl:dr will not allow you to understand them. Please take the time. I really want to quit Microsoft Office forever and ever and ever. Thanx. The first functionality I need might seem mickey mouse, but it's the foundation for everything else. This is that in Word's outliner view, there's a button in front of every paragraph that I can drag and drop up and down. It's like cut and paste, but a lot faster. Combined with other features, it's extremely powerful. The second functionality I need is to be able to collapse things. In an article of 25 paragraphs, I can hide every line except the first line of the paragraph, thus allowing me to see the entire article of 25 paragraphs on the screen at the same time. This allows me to completely rearrange the entire article by drop and drag. For editing a single sentence or paragraph, I insert a return between sentences, phrases, and even words, drop and drag these elements into a new order, and delete the returns. Voila! A much better constructed paragraph or sentence in a snap. The third functionality is to collapse things within headers. For instance, if I've interviewed a dozen people for an article or if I've brainstormed 5 pages of random ideas for a blog or a chapter in a novel, I create headers for different topics and then drag and drop paragraphs, quotes, ideas, etc into the headers or buckets I've created. When one header becomes too full and fills too much of the screen, I collapse it, so that it hides all the paragraphs already there, which cleans up the screen. When I'm done with this step, I have half a dozen headers, under which are many different ideas, all of which are completely hidden. So I drag and drop my half a dozen headers into the correct order. Then I open the first main header and create a bunch of subheaders. Once this is done, I reorganize all of the points in this first section into subsections or sub-buckets, collapsing them all as needed until everything is organized into a number of different subheaders. At this point, I can rearrange all of these subheaders into the best order that they belong in. I can even drag a subheader into a different main heading if I choose, where it will remain as a separate section. I can repeat this process as many levels as I wish. This feature in MS Word is fractal to nine levels. From a chaotic mixture of confusion emerges order, insight, and wisdom--in one single step. As a technical writer, I used to sit in a brainstorming meetings, write down every developer idea as fast as I could (including those I didn't understand at all), type it all sequentially, and then very quickly organize all of the ideas into a coherent whole. The developers thought I actually knew how to program. (Mwah-hah-hah!) I could never have done that with LibreOffice as it's now configured or OpenOffice, either. Without my Word outliner, I would have been a shitty technical writer, and I would never have been able to write the developer guides I wrote. As a creative writer today, I currently have a dozen projects that are percolating, as well as one major project that I'm focusing on. I just brainstorm for anything that comes up, drag the ideas into the proper buckets, and I never lose anything of value.
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
Just a friendly reminder that devs rarely track this mailing list. If you have a feature request it belongs on our bug tracker (bugs.freedesktop.org) else it will never get implemented. Best, Joel On 10/10/2013 03:50 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I am not a Macro person, but I wonder how much of this can be done with Macros. I know one book writer that does a great deal of his work through macros he created over the years. He could not find any word processor package that did what he wanted so he learned to write macros. First with Star Office, then OOo, and now using LO on his Linux system. I do not remember all of the things he wrote about in his author's notes before he got into his e-newsletter, but one time he did talk about all of the things he needed to be done and went out to find a package that could do it through the macros. The last author's notes was about getting OOo running on a new Linux system. That was when it was in the late 1.x stage or early 2.x one. Just about 2 years ago, I found out he switched to LO. He no longer writes/co-writes 4 to 6 books a year, but he still does a few, now that he is in his late 70's. So Those who are really good at writing Macros, how much of the info below can be taken care of through some type of macros? On 10/10/2013 06:09 PM, CougarB wrote: When I was a full-time journalist in the 1980s, I became very successful using a dedicated outliner called PCOutline. When all the major Word Processers came along--MS Word, Word Perfect, etc, the lack of outliner functionality kept me with my archaic outliner until MS Word beat the functionality of PCOutline. I used outlining as my main method of work when a full-time technical writer in the 90s (e.g., Fujitsu Software in San Jose). While working for a java house, I was so influenced by the negative developer reactions to MS, that I've been wishing to move to OpenOffice or LibraOffice ever since they came along. But you don't have the functionality that I need, and furthermore, the discussions of outlining on this forum seem to miss the whole point, from my point of view. I'm a very motivated wannabe LibraOffice user who currently can't make the switch, because although I'm retired and writing fiction, the power of an outliner for writing in all genres is something I can't live without. So my reasons are complex--sorry about that--but tl:dr will not allow you to understand them. Please take the time. I really want to quit Microsoft Office forever and ever and ever. Thanx. The first functionality I need might seem mickey mouse, but it's the foundation for everything else. This is that in Word's outliner view, there's a button in front of every paragraph that I can drag and drop up and down. It's like cut and paste, but a lot faster. Combined with other features, it's extremely powerful. The second functionality I need is to be able to collapse things. In an article of 25 paragraphs, I can hide every line except the first line of the paragraph, thus allowing me to see the entire article of 25 paragraphs on the screen at the same time. This allows me to completely rearrange the entire article by drop and drag. For editing a single sentence or paragraph, I insert a return between sentences, phrases, and even words, drop and drag these elements into a new order, and delete the returns. Voila! A much better constructed paragraph or sentence in a snap. The third functionality is to collapse things within headers. For instance, if I've interviewed a dozen people for an article or if I've brainstormed 5 pages of random ideas for a blog or a chapter in a novel, I create headers for different topics and then drag and drop paragraphs, quotes, ideas, etc into the headers or buckets I've created. When one header becomes too full and fills too much of the screen, I collapse it, so that it hides all the paragraphs already there, which cleans up the screen. When I'm done with this step, I have half a dozen headers, under which are many different ideas, all of which are completely hidden. So I drag and drop my half a dozen headers into the correct order. Then I open the first main header and create a bunch of subheaders. Once this is done, I reorganize all of the points in this first section into subsections or sub-buckets, collapsing them all as needed until everything is organized into a number of different subheaders. At this point, I can rearrange all of these subheaders into the best order that they belong in. I can even drag a subheader into a different main heading if I choose, where it will remain as a separate section. I can repeat this process as many levels as I wish. This feature in MS Word is fractal to nine levels. From a chaotic mixture of confusion emerges order, insight, and wisdom--in one single step. As a technical writer, I used to sit in a brainstorming meetings, write down every developer idea as fast as I could (including those I didn't understand at all), type it all
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
Hi :) 1. I actually prefer this method of support. When i ask a question it's usually because i am not aware of all the variables and so it's difficult to ask exactly the right question. This method of support means we often answer the right question even if that was not exactly the question that was asked. So, it's easier to ask and then try to guide the answers in light of what people respond with. 2. You can probably still Alt and drag your window around but now you just don't need to because you can also drag normally now. 3. Hmm, if GEdit is behaving and LO isn't then it's either a very specific setting in your DE that is making one or the other behave unusually or it is a setting in either GEdit or LO. If you could try with a couple more apps then it might help to pinpoint which 1 is getting special treatment. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: John Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 5:20 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request snip / Well, where do I start? 1) Unlike many helpful responses, I only had to press the left Alt key and move the window, and it worked immediately. Wow, ... thank you! 2) Now I can click on any libre office window, and it pops down to a less than full screen, and moves at will. I don't know if I 'toggled' a feature on, or what, because it works now without pressing the left Alt key. 3) Re: the different window manager issue, I agree, it seems that it might be a non-libre office issue, except that the gedit corner feature works on the same environment. Nevertheless, thank you! John -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
John, In Linux X/KDE, and I suppose Ubuntu too, you can use Alt-left-button to drag windows beyond the desktop boundaries. Therefore, if your window is outside the desktop at the bottom and you cannot get to that lower right corner, place the mouse cursor anywhere in the window you wish to move and use the alt-left-button to drag the whole window into the desktop where you can get to that corner. Then you should be able re-size the window as you need. The pixel sensitivity sounds more like a desktop problem than an LO problem. I don't know what desktop you or Ubuntu uses, but there should be an desktop settings option to adjust that mouse pointer sensitivity to a number of pixels. I just checked my KDE settings for the mouse and it is set to 4 pixels. Hope this helps. Girvin Herr On 08/08/2013 03:28 PM, John R. Sowden wrote: Similar to gedit (ubuntu), it would be nice if I could point my mouse _near_ the lower right corner to adjust the size of a libre office window, as opposed to placing the tip of the mouse pointer arrow on the pixel where the vertical and horizontal lines meet. Usually I cannot even get to the bottom, as it will ofter be off the screen. This is most obvious when attempting to bring the right side of the window in to the left. The pointer is pixel sensitive. As the source for this is 'open' (as in gedit), I assume that this would not be a big deal. John -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
Hi :) Sorry, good point. You can Alt clickdrag too. It just didn't occur to me it might be useful. Nice one Girvin! :) Regards from Tom :) From: Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net To: John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 1:47 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request John, In Linux X/KDE, and I suppose Ubuntu too, you can use Alt-left-button to drag windows beyond the desktop boundaries. Therefore, if your window is outside the desktop at the bottom and you cannot get to that lower right corner, place the mouse cursor anywhere in the window you wish to move and use the alt-left-button to drag the whole window into the desktop where you can get to that corner. Then you should be able re-size the window as you need. The pixel sensitivity sounds more like a desktop problem than an LO problem. I don't know what desktop you or Ubuntu uses, but there should be an desktop settings option to adjust that mouse pointer sensitivity to a number of pixels. I just checked my KDE settings for the mouse and it is set to 4 pixels. Hope this helps. Girvin Herr On 08/08/2013 03:28 PM, John R. Sowden wrote: Similar to gedit (ubuntu), it would be nice if I could point my mouse _near_ the lower right corner to adjust the size of a libre office window, as opposed to placing the tip of the mouse pointer arrow on the pixel where the vertical and horizontal lines meet. Usually I cannot even get to the bottom, as it will ofter be off the screen. This is most obvious when attempting to bring the right side of the window in to the left. The pointer is pixel sensitive. As the source for this is 'open' (as in gedit), I assume that this would not be a big deal. John -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
On 08/08/2013 05:47 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: John, In Linux X/KDE, and I suppose Ubuntu too, you can use Alt-left-button to drag windows beyond the desktop boundaries. Therefore, if your window is outside the desktop at the bottom and you cannot get to that lower right corner, place the mouse cursor anywhere in the window you wish to move and use the alt-left-button to drag the whole window into the desktop where you can get to that corner. Then you should be able re-size the window as you need. The pixel sensitivity sounds more like a desktop problem than an LO problem. I don't know what desktop you or Ubuntu uses, but there should be an desktop settings option to adjust that mouse pointer sensitivity to a number of pixels. I just checked my KDE settings for the mouse and it is set to 4 pixels. Hope this helps. Girvin Herr On 08/08/2013 03:28 PM, John R. Sowden wrote: Similar to gedit (ubuntu), it would be nice if I could point my mouse _near_ the lower right corner to adjust the size of a libre office window, as opposed to placing the tip of the mouse pointer arrow on the pixel where the vertical and horizontal lines meet. Usually I cannot even get to the bottom, as it will ofter be off the screen. This is most obvious when attempting to bring the right side of the window in to the left. The pointer is pixel sensitive. As the source for this is 'open' (as in gedit), I assume that this would not be a big deal. John Well, where do I start? 1) Unlike many helpful responses, I only had to press the left Alt key and move the window, and it worked immediately. Wow, ... thank you! 2) Now I can click on any libre office window, and it pops down to a less than full screen, and moves at will. I don't know if I 'toggled' a feature on, or what, because it works now without pressing the left Alt key. 3) Re: the different window manager issue, I agree, it seems that it might be a non-libre office issue, except that the gedit corner feature works on the same environment. Nevertheless, thank you! John -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols
On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT) RamonTavarez ramontava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. It would be a good enhacement include into MATH's docking window a section for greek letters and other mathematicals symbols. Just to simplify the edition's time on academics jobs. Regards. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. +1 Tomk -- A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others. Ayn Rand ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. Tom Taylor - retired penguin - KG7CFC AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2 openSUSE 12.3-x86_64 KDE 4.10.00, FF 19.0, claws-mail 3.9.1 registered linux user 263467 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
On 2/12/2013 2:04 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:
I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but
improvement is an ongoing process.
For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it
would be nice to:
1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under
tools/options.
2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain
files to 'permanent' so
they will not fifo off the stack. An asterisk (blue?)
could act as a visual flag.
John
I like both of these ideas, but especially the ability to flag a
file as permanent.
When you file the bug/feature let us know the number or link so
we can add our +1.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM, John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net wrote: I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but improvement is an ongoing process. For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be nice to: 1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options. 2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain files to 'permanent' so they will not fifo off the stack. An asterisk (blue?) could act as a visual flag. Feature requests should be made through our bug tracker, most devs don't follow the user mailing list (they already have way too much on their plates). https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details Best Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
I went to the site that you recommended. I could not find any feature request link. I searched for 'feature', no luck. I also could not find a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request' might be interpreted to mean that it is a 'bug'. I searched the entire page. John On 02/12/2013 11:33 AM, Joel Madero wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM, John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net mailto:jsow...@americansentry.net wrote: I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but improvement is an ongoing process. For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be nice to: 1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options. 2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain files to 'permanent' so they will not fifo off the stack. An asterisk (blue?) could act as a visual flag. Feature requests should be made through our bug tracker, most devs don't follow the user mailing list (they already have way too much on their plates). https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details Best Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
On 02/12/2013 02:04 PM, John R. Sowden wrote: I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but improvement is an ongoing process. For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be nice to: 1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options. 2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain files to 'permanent' so they will not fifo off the stack. An asterisk (blue?) could act as a visual flag. John I remember seeing some packages that allow you to define the number of recent documents are kept in the queue. I never seen the permanent one, but that would be an interesting thing to have. That way, if you are actively working on editing and updating documents on a regular basis, you do not have them removed from the recent list because you were required to do some other more pressing and time sensitive work. I wonder how it might be done. Also, it would be nice to be able to clear the list from time to time to keep other users of a shared system from snooping into what work you are doing for others. I knows this might dealt with only using user accounts that point to user only folders, but I have worked at places where you did not have that ability of keeping your work away from the other users of the system. Even if you used thumbdrives to store the data files, the other users could access the list of files you worked on. Wiping work history would be a good thing for some. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
Don't worry, just file it as a bug, and explain that it is a feature request. The devs will understand. On Tuesday, 12 February 2013, John R. Sowden wrote: I went to the site that you recommended. I could not find any feature request link. I searched for 'feature', no luck. I also could not find a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request' might be interpreted to mean that it is a 'bug'. I searched the entire page. John On 02/12/2013 11:33 AM, Joel Madero wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM, John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net mailto:jsow...@americansentry.net wrote: I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but improvement is an ongoing process. For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be nice to: 1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options. 2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain files to 'permanent' so they will not fifo off the stack. An asterisk (blue?) could act as a visual flag. Feature requests should be made through our bug tracker, most devs don't follow the user mailing list (they already have way too much on their plates). https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**BugReport_Detailshttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details Best Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
I will follow your advice, although I think that this process needs review. I feel that it is disrespectful to the people that are creating this great program to say that since My Idea (emphasis added) is not there, then it is a bug. Secondly, good improvements from actual users might not be suggested because of the above and the fact that it is not clear where to request them. John On 02/12/2013 11:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net mailto:jsow...@americansentry.net wrote: I went to the site that you recommended. I could not find any feature request link. I searched for 'feature', no luck. I also could not find a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request' might be interpreted to mean that it is a 'bug'. I searched the entire page. My mistake, should have clarified, report it as if it's a bug, then it can be changed to Enhancement by QA team :-D -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
On 02/12/2013 03:01 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 02/12/2013 02:04 PM, John R. Sowden wrote: I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but improvement is an ongoing process. For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be nice to: 1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options. 2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain files to 'permanent' so they will not fifo off the stack. An asterisk (blue?) could act as a visual flag. John I remember seeing some packages that allow you to define the number of recent documents are kept in the queue. I never seen the permanent one, but that would be an interesting thing to have. That way, if you are actively working on editing and updating documents on a regular basis, you do not have them removed from the recent list because you were required to do some other more pressing and time sensitive work. I wonder how it might be done. Also, it would be nice to be able to clear the list from time to time to keep other users of a shared system from snooping into what work you are doing for others. I knows this might dealt with only using user accounts that point to user only folders, but I have worked at places where you did not have that ability of keeping your work away from the other users of the system. Even if you used thumbdrives to store the data files, the other users could access the list of files you worked on. Wiping work history would be a good thing for some. This was mentioned on this mailing list probably the latter part of last year. An extension was first created for OpenOffice.org before Sun was bought by Oracle. The name is History Maker. It will work for LO as well. You can get it here: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/HistoryMaster. It only changes the number of documents kept on the recent document list. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
Hi :) The QA team and bug-triagers are pretty smart so they can sort it out for you (or others). There are a lot of drop-downs on the page and it's a little tricky to find the right one but when you know where it is then you could help the bug-triagers by just doing that for a whole load of 'bug-reports' where the poster grumbles that they couldn't find the option. There's all sorts of simple, dumb, easy things that can be quite a significant help and can help you learn your way in to doing more and more complex stuff. Regards from Tom :) From: John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 20:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request I will follow your advice, although I think that this process needs review. I feel that it is disrespectful to the people that are creating this great program to say that since My Idea (emphasis added) is not there, then it is a bug. Secondly, good improvements from actual users might not be suggested because of the above and the fact that it is not clear where to request them. John On 02/12/2013 11:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net mailto:jsow...@americansentry.net wrote: I went to the site that you recommended. I could not find any feature request link. I searched for 'feature', no luck. I also could not find a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request' might be interpreted to mean that it is a 'bug'. I searched the entire page. My mistake, should have clarified, report it as if it's a bug, then it can be changed to Enhancement by QA team :-D -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
On 02/12/2013 03:11 PM, John R. Sowden wrote: I will follow your advice, although I think that this process needs review. I feel that it is disrespectful to the people that are creating this great program to say that since My Idea (emphasis added) is not there, then it is a bug. Secondly, good improvements from actual users might not be suggested because of the above and the fact that it is not clear where to request them. John John, Using the bug tracking system and flagging it as feature request puts all the issues for the devs and QA team in one central spot. Unfortunately the use of bug tracking is sometimes a little misleading . Jay On 02/12/2013 11:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net mailto:jsow...@americansentry.net wrote: I went to the site that you recommended. I could not find any feature request link. I searched for 'feature', no luck. I also could not find a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request' might be interpreted to mean that it is a 'bug'. I searched the entire page. My mistake, should have clarified, report it as if it's a bug, then it can be changed to Enhancement by QA team :-D -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
I am one of the QA members and I assure you, no developer is offended that a feature request is reported as a bug. It is our (QA) job to ensure that they are categorized correctly after the request/bug is confirmed. @Tom - thanks for the compliment :-D Best Regards, Joel On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) The QA team and bug-triagers are pretty smart so they can sort it out for you (or others). There are a lot of drop-downs on the page and it's a little tricky to find the right one but when you know where it is then you could help the bug-triagers by just doing that for a whole load of 'bug-reports' where the poster grumbles that they couldn't find the option. There's all sorts of simple, dumb, easy things that can be quite a significant help and can help you learn your way in to doing more and more complex stuff. Regards from Tom :) From: John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 20:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request I will follow your advice, although I think that this process needs review. I feel that it is disrespectful to the people that are creating this great program to say that since My Idea (emphasis added) is not there, then it is a bug. Secondly, good improvements from actual users might not be suggested because of the above and the fact that it is not clear where to request them. John On 02/12/2013 11:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net mailto:jsow...@americansentry.net wrote: I went to the site that you recommended. I could not find any feature request link. I searched for 'feature', no luck. I also could not find a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request' might be interpreted to mean that it is a 'bug'. I searched the entire page. My mistake, should have clarified, report it as if it's a bug, then it can be changed to Enhancement by QA team :-D -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
On 2013-02-12 3:11 PM, John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net wrote: I will follow your advice, although I think that this process needs review. I feel that it is disrespectful to the people that are creating this great program to say that since My Idea (emphasis added) is not there, then it is a bug. Hi John, You must be new to the world of open source software. Virtually *all* open source software projects track Feature Requests in their bug trackers... usually you just flag it as an enhancement request, but it is still in the big tracker. It is just a convenience thing, no disrespect intended... -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
At 11:04 12/02/2013 -0800, John R. Sowden wrote: For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be nice to: 1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options. I know this is not quite what you are asking for, but in the absence of exactly what you want, you may like to try customising the Standard toolbar to display the Load URL command. (Click the down-arrow at the right of the toolbar and select Customize Toolbar... .) This gives a much longer list of recent files. Note that the customisation needs to be made separately for each LibreOffice component that you wish to display this, but the list itself is common to all of them. At 15:01 12/02/2013 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote: I remember seeing some packages that allow you to define the number of recent documents are kept in the queue. I never seen the permanent one, ... Earlier versions of (close your eyes if these are dirty words for you) Microsoft Word (at least) had a Work menu which allowed you to create your own list of frequently used documents - which would not evaporate until you wanted them to; later versions of Microsoft Office have dropped this idea but allow you to pin items already on the recent files menu so that they do not drop off. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request regarding LibreOffice Calc SUBSTITUTE() cell function
Hi Johnny, Johnny Rosenberg schrieb: https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60183 Thoughts? =SUBSTITUTE(123123123;3;abc;2) returns 12312abc123. is already implemented. You can use as forth parameter everything, which gives a positive integer. I think this would be a killer feature for some users. Users, who can use regular expressions, will get their result which combining SEARCH and REPLACE. Most users would benefit more from implementing a wildcard feature. It might be a useful feature for some, but it needs changing the ODF specification. I have no strong opinion on it, but I think, that such feature request will get a low priority. But if someone wants to implement it, why not? Without reference implementation a change in the specification is unlikely. Kind regards Regina Kind regards -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request for impress : sub-second accuracy
Feature request should be made via our bug tracking system at bugs.freedesktop.org, mark enhancement on priority. Thanks for the help On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Jean-Pascal Richir jpric...@hotmail.comwrote: Hello everyone, Happy 2013! I'm new to this list, so I hope I'm in the right place (please tell me if I'm not). I've been using LibreOffice (OpenOffice before the fork of the project) for several years, and for the first time I would like to suggest a new feature for Impress. Well, actually it's not exactly what you would call a new feature, but rather a refinement of what's already possible. So here is my suggestion/request : I'would be very happy to have the possibility of setting display durations with sub-second accuracy in LibreOffice Impress. For instance, setting automatic slide transitions after 250, 333, 500, 666 or 750 milliseconds, but also 1.25 second, and so on... This would be really useful with regard to one of the uses I make of Impress, i.e. creating simple tools for the training of visual attention and other cognitive abilities in children. I'm not a programmer at all, so I can't modify the software myself to satisfy my needs. I'm looking forward to reading from anyone regarding this suggestion! Thank you for your attention and for any feedback! Have a nice day! JP Richir P.S. Please excuse me for any mistakes in this message, English is not my first language. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file
Hi, Don: I do belive a newer computer would minimize the saving time, but I have no money to buy a new one. I think allow typing while saving files would be a good feature for many old computer users. Such feature will save our working time when using Libreoffice on old machines, we don't need to buy new computers for the long file saving time. Thank you :) 2012/3/18 Don Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com Hi, I think that Tom was thinking he made a double post, not you. Do you know anyone who has a newer computer with a faster processor and more memory that you could run your files on to see if there is any difference between theirs and yours? Then we would know if it is a hardware issue with the computer, or a LibreOffice issue. Don -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file
Hi :) No, i had already posted an answer to this thread. Then i read another post which made me think of something else and then a little while later i thought of another thing. So i made a real mess of posting too many times. I have my cache set at 20Mb but i have also raised the Memory per object higher than any of the pictures or graphics in my documents. I sometimes use Gimp to reduce the byte-wise size without losing too much quality. Often photos from a camera are such a high resolution that they would look good on a roadside bill-board. Scaling them down to about twice the size they are going to be in the document means they still look good http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Lite_Quickies/ http://kerryshamblin.com/index.php?page=tutorial-web-images-gimp http://www.ahotw.com/2008/08/09/gimp-image-cropping-for-web/ This link does a lot more than i normally have time to http://www.geekazine.com/guests/basic-gimp-preparing-pictures-for-the-web I only usually get photos down to a couple of hundred kilobytes but logos and stuff are usually fairly easy to get down to maybe 20Kb. Images occasionally vanish from documents so it's a good idea to keep a back-up of them outside the document. If you save in Odt format then you can find all the images by opening the document as an archive. (Create a copy of the file. Rename the file-ending from .odt to .zip and then double-click on the file's icon). So it's easy to get a folder full of the images you use before they run into trouble. It's not clear what operating system you are using. Xp or a GnuLinux such as Ubuntu? Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 18/3/12, minhsien0330 minhsien0...@gmail.com wrote: From: minhsien0330 minhsien0...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 18 March, 2012, 0:45 Hi~Tom and Daniel: I set the cache to 256MB (Tools - Options - Memory), but the saving time did not change, and Writer still did not accepting any keyboard input during saving the file. Maybe my machine is really too old? (CPU type : Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz with 2G DDR2-ram) I am ready to post a feature request. But Tom said: Ouch, sorry for the double-post! Does Tom mean I have already posted the request? Thank you~ :) 2012/3/18 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Ouch, sorry for the double-post! -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file
Hi, You are most welcome. I am a farmer among other things. A 50 horsepower tractor will take twice as long to do the same amount of work as a 100 horsepower tractor. A computer processor only has so many cycles in a given time frame. If another processor had twice as many cycles, things should go twice as fast in theory. It would be interesting to know how your file would work on a newer machine. Don Hi, Don: I do belive a newer computer would minimize the saving time, but I have no money to buy a new one. I think allow typing while saving files would be a good feature for many old computer users. Such feature will save our working time when using Libreoffice on old machines, we don't need to buy new computers for the long file saving time. Thank you :) 2012/3/18 Don Myersdonmy...@myersfarm.com Hi, I think that Tom was thinking he made a double post, not you. Do you know anyone who has a newer computer with a faster processor and more memory that you could run your files on to see if there is any difference between theirs and yours? Then we would know if it is a hardware issue with the computer, or a LibreOffice issue. Don -- *~~* Don C. Myers e-PRO Certified by the National Association of Realtors Manager, Farm and Rural Property Division *Coldwell Banker University Realty *126 East Foster Avenue, State College, PA 16801 Phone: 814-237-6543 Fax: 814-237-6502 Visit the Farm and Rural Property Division Website at www.cbur-ruralproperty.com http://www.cbur-ruralproperty.com/_ _View Don's farm website: www.myersfarm.com http://www.myersfarm.com/ *~~* -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file
Although it does not help you, I just want to agree to you. This waiting time bothers me too. Saving while typing would be really nice. Daniel Am 17.03.2012 um 01:36 schrieb minhsien0330: Dear all: I have some big *.odt files, it contains many pictures and pages. When I press Ctrl+S to save the file (or When LibreOffice executing auto saving), Writer will stop accepting any keyboard input and takes 5 or more seconds to save the file. When I am hurry to finish some works, the 5 or more seconds saving time that stop my working is stressful to me. Is it possible that LibreOffice accept typing while user saving files? Where to post my feature request ? Thanks, -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file
Hi :) I thought it still accepted input but was just very slow about showing it on-screen? Keep typing and see if your typing appears rapidly once the save has finished in a cheesy 80's film type of way. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 17/3/12, Daniel Wibbing daniel.wibb...@gmx.net wrote: From: Daniel Wibbing daniel.wibb...@gmx.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 17 March, 2012, 10:04 Although it does not help you, I just want to agree to you. This waiting time bothers me too. Saving while typing would be really nice. Daniel Am 17.03.2012 um 01:36 schrieb minhsien0330: Dear all: I have some big *.odt files, it contains many pictures and pages. When I press Ctrl+S to save the file (or When LibreOffice executing auto saving), Writer will stop accepting any keyboard input and takes 5 or more seconds to save the file. When I am hurry to finish some works, the 5 or more seconds saving time that stop my working is stressful to me. Is it possible that LibreOffice accept typing while user saving files? Where to post my feature request ? Thanks, -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file
Hi Tom, thank's for your answer! I tried typing during the auto-save process but my typing did not appear after the process was done. It was simply ignored (LO 3.4.5). Daniel :) Am 17.03.2012 um 14:27 schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) I thought it still accepted input but was just very slow about showing it on-screen? Keep typing and see if your typing appears rapidly once the save has finished in a cheesy 80's film type of way. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 17/3/12, Daniel Wibbing daniel.wibb...@gmx.net wrote: From: Daniel Wibbing daniel.wibb...@gmx.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 17 March, 2012, 10:04 Although it does not help you, I just want to agree to you. This waiting time bothers me too. Saving while typing would be really nice. Daniel Am 17.03.2012 um 01:36 schrieb minhsien0330: Dear all: I have some big *.odt files, it contains many pictures and pages. When I press Ctrl+S to save the file (or When LibreOffice executing auto saving), Writer will stop accepting any keyboard input and takes 5 or more seconds to save the file. When I am hurry to finish some works, the 5 or more seconds saving time that stop my working is stressful to me. Is it possible that LibreOffice accept typing while user saving files? Where to post my feature request ? Thanks, -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file
Hi :) Thanks for trying it. I'm really sorry it didn't work. Perhaps post as a feature request? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 17/3/12, Daniel Wibbing daniel.wibb...@gmx.net wrote: From: Daniel Wibbing daniel.wibb...@gmx.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 17 March, 2012, 14:41 Hi Tom, thank's for your answer! I tried typing during the auto-save process but my typing did not appear after the process was done. It was simply ignored (LO 3.4.5). Daniel :) Am 17.03.2012 um 14:27 schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) I thought it still accepted input but was just very slow about showing it on-screen? Keep typing and see if your typing appears rapidly once the save has finished in a cheesy 80's film type of way. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 17/3/12, Daniel Wibbing daniel.wibb...@gmx.net wrote: From: Daniel Wibbing daniel.wibb...@gmx.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 17 March, 2012, 10:04 Although it does not help you, I just want to agree to you. This waiting time bothers me too. Saving while typing would be really nice. Daniel Am 17.03.2012 um 01:36 schrieb minhsien0330: Dear all: I have some big *.odt files, it contains many pictures and pages. When I press Ctrl+S to save the file (or When LibreOffice executing auto saving), Writer will stop accepting any keyboard input and takes 5 or more seconds to save the file. When I am hurry to finish some works, the 5 or more seconds saving time that stop my working is stressful to me. Is it possible that LibreOffice accept typing while user saving files? Where to post my feature request ? Thanks, -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file
Hi :) Ouch, sorry for the double-post! It suddenly occurred to me that you might be able to reduce file-size in some way. Perhaps link to pictures rather than embedding them? Also if memory is an issue as Don hinted then perhaps increasing the values in Tools - Options - Memory might help? It's unlikely to hurt to try. On most machines i tend to save the document to internal hard-drive and then move it onto the network after i have completed my work or when i need to share it. Good luck and regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 17/3/12, minhsien0330 minhsien0...@gmail.com wrote: From: minhsien0330 minhsien0...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 17 March, 2012, 0:36 Dear all: I have some big *.odt files, it contains many pictures and pages. When I press Ctrl+S to save the file (or When LibreOffice executing auto saving), Writer will stop accepting any keyboard input and takes 5 or more seconds to save the file. When I am hurry to finish some works, the 5 or more seconds saving time that stop my working is stressful to me. Is it possible that LibreOffice accept typing while user saving files? Where to post my feature request ? Thanks, -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file
Hi~Tom and Daniel: I set the cache to 256MB (Tools - Options - Memory), but the saving time did not change, and Writer still did not accepting any keyboard input during saving the file. Maybe my machine is really too old? (CPU type : Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz with 2G DDR2-ram) I am ready to post a feature request. But Tom said: Ouch, sorry for the double-post! Does Tom mean I have already posted the request? Thank you~ :) 2012/3/18 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Ouch, sorry for the double-post! -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file
Hi, I think that Tom was thinking he made a double post, not you. Do you know anyone who has a newer computer with a faster processor and more memory that you could run your files on to see if there is any difference between theirs and yours? Then we would know if it is a hardware issue with the computer, or a LibreOffice issue. Don On 03/17/2012 08:45 PM, minhsien0330 wrote: Hi~Tom and Daniel: I set the cache to 256MB (Tools - Options - Memory), but the saving time did not change, and Writer still did not accepting any keyboard input during saving the file. Maybe my machine is really too old? (CPU type : Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz with 2G DDR2-ram) I am ready to post a feature request. But Tom said: Ouch, sorry for the double-post! Does Tom mean I have already posted the request? Thank you~ :) 2012/3/18 Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) Ouch, sorry for the double-post! -- ** -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Feature request] Allow typing when saving file
Hi, I've never had any LibreOffice/OpenOffice files that large. I do a fair amount of work with video though, which can tax a system. Without knowing the processor speed and memory in your computer, based on how you described the file(s), I'm guessing that this may be more of a hardware limitation than it is a LibreOffice issue. Don On 03/16/2012 08:36 PM, minhsien0330 wrote: Dear all: I have some big *.odt files, it contains many pictures and pages. When I press Ctrl+S to save the file (or When LibreOffice executing auto saving), Writer will stop accepting any keyboard input and takes 5 or more seconds to save the file. When I am hurry to finish some works, the 5 or more seconds saving time that stop my working is stressful to me. Is it possible that LibreOffice accept typing while user saving files? Where to post my feature request ? Thanks, -- ** -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request for LibreOffice Calc
Le 16/12/2011 23:58, Jochen Betz a écrit : I had some problems to find a way to place my feature request. So my first request would be to make this task itself easier. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LibreOfficebug_status=UNCONFIRMED and choose enhancement in severity dropdown list. So I hope this is (a|the right) way to address my concerns. But what I'm missing in LibreOffice Calc (and I have to admit that MSOffice has this feature) to merge cells by using the context menu. At least for me it's so a common task to merge or split some cells that it is very annoying and time consuming to use the regular format menu at top of the window. You can customize the format toolbar by adding the button you need. Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request for LibreOffice Calc
Of course you are free to send feature-request to LO developers (as Jean- Baptiste Faure pointed out). But in the meantime, you can use keyboard shortcut. In Tools - Customize - Keyboard find keyboard shortcut of choice (think of something you can press with one hand (perhaps left, if you use mouse with your right hand)), in Category select Format and in Function find Merge Cells (or Merge and Center, if you prefer). Then click Modify. This way will certainly be faster than moving cursor to top toolbar; it may even prove itself faster than context menu. -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request for LibreOffice Calc
Hi, There is a button on the format toolbar to merge and unmerge cells. The button appears as grayed out until you select some cells. It has always worked great for me. Don On 12/16/2011 05:58 PM, Jochen Betz wrote: I had some problems to find a way to place my feature request. So my first request would be to make this task itself easier. So I hope this is (a|the right) way to address my concerns. But what I'm missing in LibreOffice Calc (and I have to admit that MSOffice has this feature) to merge cells by using the context menu. At least for me it's so a common task to merge or split some cells that it is very annoying and time consuming to use the regular format menu at top of the window. From my point of view it should be possible without small effort to implement this feature. Thanks in advance Jochen Betz -- ** -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
Il 12/07/2011 18:46, Shane Van Loenen ha scritto: I could not find a place on the website to list a feature request, so I will try here. Open Office and Libre Office are great tools that can be used in the enterprise, but since there is not an e-mail client, my org will gravitate back to MS. Anyway to integrate Evolution (or like) into Libre offcie? Thanks, -Shane OOo/LibO has options to talk to e-mail programs. IMHO adding yet another (almos unrelated) program to an already huge office suite would be a bad move. I guess then people would gravitate back to MS because either: a) OOo is too heavy or b) they don't like the bundled e-mail client. Besides, I can't see why the lack of full e-mail functionality in OOo is keeping one tied with Microsoft products. Just install Thunderbird or Evolution and off you go. Perhaps the question is how can I have all the features that MS Outlook offers with free/libre programs ?. Just as an example, Mozilla Thunderbird + Lightning gives you e-mail, calendar, alarms, periodic reminders, todo-lists (activities). You can have multiple calendars, too, including remote ones. HTH -- Marcello Romani -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
Hi Marcello Il 14/07/2011 11.20, Marcello Romani ha scritto: OOo/LibO has options to talk to e-mail programs. IMHO adding yet another (almos unrelated) program to an already huge office suite would be a bad move. I guess then people would gravitate back to MS because either: a) OOo is too heavy or b) they don't like the bundled e-mail client. We use both MSO and LibO... MSO in most cases is preferred because it start faster. We have also some programs that generate doc documents with a collage process. In this case we should convert all procedures for the odt. The sysadmin mantra say: is working? don't touch it ! ... I introduced a lot of open source software in the company with good results :) but in some fields there is much resistance to change (understandable) Besides, I can't see why the lack of full e-mail functionality in OOo is keeping one tied with Microsoft products. Just install Thunderbird or Evolution and off you go. Perhaps the question is how can I have all the features that MS Outlook offers with free/libre programs ?. Just as an example, Mozilla Thunderbird + Lightning gives you e-mail, calendar, alarms, periodic reminders, todo-lists (activities). You can have multiple calendars, too, including remote ones. Many users have changed Outlook 2000 with Thunderbird 3.1.x ... and now are happy TB users :) Stefano -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
Il 14/07/2011 16:03, David B Teague sr ha scritto: On 7/14/2011 9:17 AM, Marcello Romani wrote: Yes, MSO has faster startup times also IME, at least on windows. On Ubuntu 10.04 I must say that the provided OOo takes a little time when first started after a reboot, but from then on, given sufficient memory (I have 2.5GB) it starts almost instantly. I have 64 bit W7, an AMD II X4 3.2 GHz quad core processor and 4 GB RAM, 3GB/sec SATA drives. LO starts and loads a small Writer document in 10 seconds immediately after a reboot, and as you said, instantaneously thereafter. How much faster does MSO start? --David For the record, my feelings about OOo startup times refer to an HP business desktop machine with Ubuntu 10.04 32 bit, 2.5GB RAM, PIV 3.2GHz (w/speedstep). -- Marcello Romani -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
I can understand why software companies expand software products to do more and more things (to justify new versions, to convince chumps to 'upgrade', and to push other software companies out of the picture), but I do not understand those who buy into such a process with its accompanying bloat. I want to choose the product which is best for my needs in each area where I have a need for an application. If, for instance, I use web-based e-mail, I have no need for an office suite which includes an e-mail function and I neither want to spend the money nor waste hard drive space for such a 'feature'. The worst expansions-into-bloat are what used to be anti-virus products which now try to be firewalls, anti-spam, anti-whatever-you-might-not-want, etc. But Microsoft Office isn't all that far behind. I'm actually surprised they haven't rolled Visio into the suite. (Or have they and I didn't notice?) -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
On 7/13/2011 11:20 AM, T. R. Valentine wrote: I can understand why software companies expand software products to do more and more things (to justify new versions, to convince chumps to 'upgrade', and to push other software companies out of the picture), but I do not understand those who buy into such a process with its accompanying bloat. I want to choose the product which is best for my needs in each area where I have a need for an application. If, for instance, I use web-based e-mail, I have no need for an office suite which includes an e-mail function and I neither want to spend the money nor waste hard drive space for such a 'feature'. The worst expansions-into-bloat are what used to be anti-virus products which now try to be firewalls, anti-spam, anti-whatever-you-might-not-want, etc. But Microsoft Office isn't all that far behind. I'm actually surprised they haven't rolled Visio into the suite. (Or have they and I didn't notice?) I understand not wanting to install features you don't use. Similarly, I would like have in LO/OO.o is the ability to install just the parts I actually use, and to have this save disk space. Our of 1 or 2 TB 200 MB isn't a whole lot. But a 100 MB here and a 100 MB there, pretty soon, adds up to a lot of space, to paraphrase Tip O'neal. David Teague In 1980, we paid $5000 for a 5 MB hard disk, shared among 15 Apple II+ computers. -- nil significat nisi oscillat -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
The pathetic draw tool MS had before purchasing another company was actually part of office for a while. Now it usually only comes bundled with Corporate and super professional versions. They found people would pay for a drawing program. KOffice includes a pretty good drawing program bundled as well...much better than Visio. On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 10:20 -0500, T. R. Valentine wrote: I can understand why software companies expand software products to do more and more things (to justify new versions, to convince chumps to 'upgrade', and to push other software companies out of the picture), but I do not understand those who buy into such a process with its accompanying bloat. I want to choose the product which is best for my needs in each area where I have a need for an application. If, for instance, I use web-based e-mail, I have no need for an office suite which includes an e-mail function and I neither want to spend the money nor waste hard drive space for such a 'feature'. The worst expansions-into-bloat are what used to be anti-virus products which now try to be firewalls, anti-spam, anti-whatever-you-might-not-want, etc. But Microsoft Office isn't all that far behind. I'm actually surprised they haven't rolled Visio into the suite. (Or have they and I didn't notice?) -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
Lorenzo On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 11:45 +0200, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: Hi, Shane Van Loenen wrote: I could not find a place on the website to list a feature request, so I will try here. Open Office and Libre Office are great tools that can be used in the enterprise, but since there is not an e-mail client, my org will gravitate back to MS. Anyway to integrate Evolution (or like) into Libre offcie? Just out of curiosity... what exactly is integration between office suite and email client to you? I think there is much misunderstanding about this. I happily use LibO and Thunderbird. A software for doing office things, a software for doing email things. Good question. Lorenzo. Thanks, -Shane For me, I do not regularly use LO email features. I tend send files as an attachment from the email client. So good behavior for me is that attaching files is easy and opening attachments is straightforward. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
Out of curiosity, I assume that gravitation back to MS refers to Outlook. So what is compelling that would be needed in something integrated-in/bundled-with LibreOffice that would satisfy whatever that appeal is? I don't know anything about Evolution (or like), so I guess my question is, how does what you see as an alternative satisfy the need that would neutralize the pull back to MS. Put simply, what about those solves the problem you perceive? - Dennis PS: I am one of those folks who is quite happy with Outlook. My interest is in knowing what requirements you see, not in advocating for Outlook. I know many people who don't like it. -Original Message- From: Shane Van Loenen [mailto:shane.vanloe...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 09:46 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution I could not find a place on the website to list a feature request, so I will try here. Open Office and Libre Office are great tools that can be used in the enterprise, but since there is not an e-mail client, my org will gravitate back to MS. Anyway to integrate Evolution (or like) into Libre offcie? Thanks, -Shane -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
On 13/07/11 10:41, Tom Davies wrote: I could not find a place on the website to list a feature request, so I will try here. Open Office and Libre Office are great tools that can be used in the enterprise, but since there is not an e-mail client, my org will gravitate back to MS. Anyway to integrate Evolution (or like) into Libre offcie? There are a range of free and open source email clients. Even mail servers. Evolution is just one. I am like Tom and use Thunderbird. I use it for email and maintaining my calendar. I personally use TaskCoach for my Task Lists. If I open LibreOffice Writer and select Send Document as Email, the package opens a new email in Thunderbird. It is a matter of just setting the Email client in the Internet Options section of the LO preferences. In fact I did not even do this. When I installed LO it extracted the email client name from the system for me but there is always an option to change my preference if I updated by email client. Some good email clients are available for windows and linux. The absence of a client in the office suite should not cause anyone from not taking up LO. If you company needs alternatives simply search for free and open source email clients and review the results. A good start... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-mail_clients -- Cheers Simon Simon Cropper Principal Consultant Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd PO Box 160, Sunshine, VIC W: www.botanicusaustralia.com.au -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
Hi :) If you are on Windows then it would be nice to know if LibreOffice works with The Bat in the same way. I'm not sure if it's free (and it's not OpenSource) but it's an excellent and very sophisticated email client. It's not a step upwards from Outlook tho. More like a giant leap forwards apparently. Regards from Tom :) From: Simon Cropper scrop...@botanicusaustralia.com.au To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 13 July, 2011 2:19:01 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution On 13/07/11 10:41, Tom Davies wrote: I could not find a place on the website to list a feature request, so I will try here. Open Office and Libre Office are great tools that can be used in the enterprise, but since there is not an e-mail client, my org will gravitate back to MS. Anyway to integrate Evolution (or like) into Libre offcie? There are a range of free and open source email clients. Even mail servers. Evolution is just one. I am like Tom and use Thunderbird. I use it for email and maintaining my calendar. I personally use TaskCoach for my Task Lists. If I open LibreOffice Writer and select Send Document as Email, the package opens a new email in Thunderbird. It is a matter of just setting the Email client in the Internet Options section of the LO preferences. In fact I did not even do this. When I installed LO it extracted the email client name from the system for me but there is always an option to change my preference if I updated by email client. Some good email clients are available for windows and linux. The absence of a client in the office suite should not cause anyone from not taking up LO. If you company needs alternatives simply search for free and open source email clients and review the results. A good start... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-mail_clients -- Cheers Simon Simon Cropper Principal Consultant Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd PO Box 160, Sunshine, VIC W: www.botanicusaustralia.com.au -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request :Evolution
Hi On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 11:19 +1000, Simon Cropper wrote: On 13/07/11 10:41, Tom Davies wrote: I could not find a place on the website to list a feature request, so I will try here. Open Office and Libre Office are great tools that can be used in the enterprise, but since there is not an e-mail client, my org will gravitate back to MS. Anyway to integrate Evolution (or like) into Libre offcie? There are a range of free and open source email clients. Even mail servers. Evolution is just one. I am like Tom and use Thunderbird. I use it for email and maintaining my calendar. I personally use TaskCoach for my Task Lists. If I open LibreOffice Writer and select Send Document as Email, the package opens a new email in Thunderbird. It is a matter of just setting the Email client in the Internet Options section of the LO preferences. In fact I did not even do this. When I installed LO it extracted the email client name from the system for me but there is always an option to change my preference if I updated by email client. Some good email clients are available for windows and linux. The absence of a client in the office suite should not cause anyone from not taking up LO. If you company needs alternatives simply search for free and open source email clients and review the results. A good start... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-mail_clients -- Cheers Simon Simon Cropper Principal Consultant Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd PO Box 160, Sunshine, VIC W: www.botanicusaustralia.com.au I use Evolution but second the remarks above about general integration with the client. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request: native BibTeX support
Zotero is OK, but styles customisation is poor; for structured documents, LaTeX is way ahead of word-processors, primarily because references and cross-references functionality is so poor in word-processors. You could try tex4ht to convert to odt format, but if the request for a word processor format is to allow recipients to edit, you could try sending the pdf to view and the tex file in the e-mail message to edit. Then use the diff utility to find changes made to your file. When recipients realise (!) the advantages of using LaTeX you could even suggest collaboration via subversion (e.g. see http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Collaborative_Writing_of_LaTeX_Documents). -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request: native BibTeX support
On 11/07/11 05:52, Francesco Biccari wrote: Hi to everyone, this is my first message on this mailing list. I am a researcher and usually I use LaTeX+BibTeX for my papers. Sometimes I need to write .doc/.docx/.odt files and the bibliography is a big problem. JabRef has a nice plugin to work with OpenOffice/LibreOffice like other reference manager do. But a direct usage of the BibTeX file would be much better. I know that the bibliography system need a big revision. What do you think about a universal interface to manage the references in LibreOffice which can be interfaced with one or more BibTeX files or with the common relational databases? Regards. Francesco Francesco, I know this does not directly address you questions or suggestion but though it might be of some use. I have successfully used Zotero with OpenOffice and LibreOffice for several years (http://www.zotero.org/). It is relatively intuitive and well supported. I generate quite a few documents annually and each has a comprehensive bibliography. My library has 8549 references and I can readily export them into dozens of formats. http://www.zotero.org/styles The program can import Bibtex files. -- Cheers Simon Simon Cropper Principal Consultant Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd PO Box 160, Sunshine, VIC W: www.botanicusaustralia.com.au -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request: native BibTeX support
Zotero +1 On 7/10/11 3:38 PM, Simon Cropper wrote: On 11/07/11 05:52, Francesco Biccari wrote: Hi to everyone, this is my first message on this mailing list. I am a researcher and usually I use LaTeX+BibTeX for my papers. Sometimes I need to write .doc/.docx/.odt files and the bibliography is a big problem. JabRef has a nice plugin to work with OpenOffice/LibreOffice like other reference manager do. But a direct usage of the BibTeX file would be much better. I know that the bibliography system need a big revision. What do you think about a universal interface to manage the references in LibreOffice which can be interfaced with one or more BibTeX files or with the common relational databases? Regards. Francesco Francesco, I know this does not directly address you questions or suggestion but though it might be of some use. I have successfully used Zotero with OpenOffice and LibreOffice for several years (http://www.zotero.org/). It is relatively intuitive and well supported. I generate quite a few documents annually and each has a comprehensive bibliography. My library has 8549 references and I can readily export them into dozens of formats. http://www.zotero.org/styles The program can import Bibtex files. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request: Cross-references in complex documents
Frieder Delor delo...@googlemail.com writes: Hi Ric 2011/6/28 rdb rdbus...@gmail.com I'm trying to write a fairly long book with OpenOffice and in general things go very smoothly. So far, I'm pretty happy that I ditched Word (very fickle with long documents) for LibreOffice. The problems start when I have to insert cross-references: Hi I know, that is not what you want to hear, but LibreOffice, OpenOffice or Word are not the best tools to write a book with cross-references, numbered paragraphs, and all thee other things you may need to write a book. The best tool I know for this is *Lyx ( http://www.lyx.org/ )* Lyx isn't sufficiently stable, either. I'm really surprised that anyone would entrust documents that are large or would take much effort to reproduce a WYSIWYG word processing software. Besides that emacs (or, if you can't avoid it, Lyx) and LaTeX are much better tools for this, they are sufficiently stable and have the added benefit that you can still use your documents with arbitrary text editors. WYSIWYG word processors come and go over time, disappearing much faster than emacs and LaTeX ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request: Cross-references in complex documents
Hi Ric 2011/6/28 rdb rdbus...@gmail.com Hi all, I'm not really sure how to go about lodging a feature request, so I'll just disguise this as a question. I'm trying to write a fairly long book with OpenOffice and in general things go very smoothly. So far, I'm pretty happy that I ditched Word (very fickle with long documents) for LibreOffice. The problems start when I have to insert cross-references: Hi I know, that is not what you want to hear, but LibreOffice, OpenOffice or Word are not the best tools to write a book with cross-references, numbered paragraphs, and all thee other things you may need to write a book. The best tool I know for this is *Lyx ( http://www.lyx.org/ )* Quote fron: * http://www.lyx.org/ * “LyX is a document processor that encourages an approach to writing based on the *structure* of your documents (WYSIWYMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYM) and not simply their appearance (WYSIWYGhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG). LyX combines the power and flexibility of TeXhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX /LaTeX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX with the ease of use of a graphical interface. This results in world-class support for creation of mathematical content (via a fully integrated equation editor) and structured documents like academic articles, theses, and books. In addition, staples of scientific authoring such as reference list and index creation come standard. But you can also use LyX to create a letter or a novel or a theatre play or film script. A broad array of ready, well-designed document layouts are built in. LyX is for people who want their writing to look great, right out of the box. No more endless tinkering with formatting details, “finger painting” font attributes or futzing around with page boundaries. You just write. On screen, LyX looks like any word processor; its printed output — or richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced — looks like nothing else. LyX is released under a Free Software/Open Source licensehttp://www.lyx.org/License, runs on Linux/Unix, Windows, and Mac OS X, and is available in several languages http://www.lyx.org/I18n. “ End Quote I hope this answer was helpful to you Regards Frieder -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-Cross-references-in-complex-documents-tp3117338p3117338.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request: Cross-references in complex documents
Hi Rik, On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:42 PM, rdb rdbus...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not really sure how to go about lodging a feature request, so I'll just disguise this as a question. I'm trying to write a fairly long book with OpenOffice and in general things go very smoothly. So far, I'm pretty happy that I ditched Word (very fickle with long documents) for LibreOffice. The problems start when I have to insert cross-references: There is no obvious way to change how your cross-reference is formatted or represented. For example, my sub-headings are like this: 1. and the dot will show in my in-text cross-reference, whatever I'm trying to do to make it go away. There is no search option in 'Headings' or 'Numbered paragraphs'. Why would you need that? Well, wait till you're writing something with 20 chapters, 200 section headings, and 2000 numbered example sentences. The only option then is to scroll through all items in the pane on the right-hand side. Problem is, you can't resize the pane and scrolling takes a while with hundreds or thousands of items. If I'm not mistaken, LibreOffice does not have an obvious way to search for broken cross-reference links, unlike Word, which turns your link into a bolded Error! Blablalbalbla. That's a problem if you just changed all headings in Chapter 20 and you want to check if all references to it in Chapter 1 are still ok. Does anybody have similar problems? Are there any plugins to give you more versatile cross-ref options? Am I overlooking some clever tricks? The LibreOffice docs team writes some long user guides. We use the approach of one document per chapter, and then agglomerate all that within a global document. Maybe this would work for you? -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request: Cross-references in complex documents
On 06/28/2011 06:42 AM, rdb wrote: I'm trying to write a fairly long book with OpenOffice and in general things go very smoothly. Curious what you consider long? I have stuff over 500 pages as a single document. There is no obvious way to change how your cross-reference is formatted or represented. For example, my sub-headings are like this: 1. and the dot will show in my in-text cross-reference, whatever I'm trying to do to make it go away. I created my own numbering style for chapters and one for appendixes so that they will number as I desire (ie, 1.2. Hello for a regular chapter and Appendix A. Big Hello and A.2 Hello for an appendix). I believe that you can separately insert the number (which will contain any extra text such as periods), the reference, or the number and reference. If you do NOT want the trailing period, then reference the section as chapter and it will leave off the trailing stuff. There is no search option in 'Headings' or 'Numbered paragraphs'. Why would you need that? Well, wait till you're writing something with 20 chapters, 200 section headings, and 2000 numbered example sentences. You are correct. If I'm not mistaken, LibreOffice does not have an obvious way to search for broken cross-reference links, unlike Word, which turns your link into a bolded Error! Blablalbalbla. That's a problem if you just changed all headings in Chapter 20 and you want to check if all references to it in Chapter 1 are still ok. H. Never thought about it. Could probably write a macro to do it. Seems like a good idea. Am I overlooking some clever tricks? Probably! :-) -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Hi :) It is great to get an answer. It's only a first response so don't assume that is written in stone. There are a lot of devs and a lot of work to be done so things are changing all the time in a good way :) Good first responses are usually give a quick work-around or indicate the level of complexity, or how long it might take, or to gather more information. Michael's initial response gives 2 work-arounds 1. using links to get the functionality fast. It's not the long-term answer. 2. Another option for corporates might be to get one of their programmers onto it, depending on urgency. You are not a corporate and not a programmer yourself so ignore this one. Regards from Tom :) From: John B jo...@email2.me To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 20 June, 2011 18:50:07 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs Dear Roland, Tom Alex Wow! - I actually just received a reply (Below) from the bug site:- there was me thinking all that was required was hidden extra code at the top of every page Am I a tabbed page or not? if so what is my name, do I belong to a group, My tab is green - simples I am not a programmer! But, I am more than delighted to get a response from such a source, even though, not the hopeful one I would have wished for. Its a bit like:- If you need BOLD, just put it through the printer twice I guess Roland, from you comments you must have received a similar response to your bug reports? So - Any Volunteers? Regards John B https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38401 --- Comment #1 from Michael Meeksmichael.me...@novell.com 2011-06-20 07:36:10 PDT --- IMHO implementing the tab feature would take quite some work here, instead it might be good to insert a set of links in the document at the top to allow quick jumping to the various sections; But of course, this is all work. Lets see if some volunteer jumps in to do it - otherwise if you pay someone to do the work, you can have it done as you like I guess. - Le 20/06/11 01:40, Roland Hughes a écrit : Hi Roland, It won't be anywhere near close. Get a copy of SmartSuit 98 or later and see what a word processor was supposed to be. Shame that such good functionality was left by the wayside by IBM...coz it was damned handy !! Alex --- On 17/06/2011 19:37, Roland Hughes wrote: Dear John, It will not work as a bolt on. I really really REALLY thought IBM was finally going to sort this out, since they have the ENTIRE WordPro file specification. The OpenDocument file format has to have many things added to it in order to support tabbed document divisions. Mainly, it has to have XML to identify those divisions as completely separate sub documents which only allow a small amount of things to carry over from the parent/enclosing document. Each subdocument has its own flags to support current page number, print/hide, previous/next subdocs, etc. Eliminating the existing tabs and replacing them with the Window menu item IS only a programming change. It doesn't require any change to the file specification. Between the above programming change and the tabbed document specification enhancement, the OpenDocument format MUST add complete support for embedding ALL fonts used in the document within the document file. WordPerfect had this feature for decades, and that is one of the major reasons WordPerfect took so long to disappear from the market place, even though it kept charging $400+ for its product. That one little feature, combined with turning off the system wide setting for auto-format-for-default-printer, made a WordPerfect document completely portable. First we have to remove the ugly/nasty/useless tab interface. Then we have to make documents 100% portable. Then we can add tabbed document divisions just like WordPro. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 19:28 +0100, John B wrote: Dear Roland My mistake, I thought that /[the brain dead//Microsoft//approach of having each document as a tab]/ refers to Lotus Symphony which loads each document in as a separate (big fat pointless) tab - as that is the only word software program I know, that uses those tabs (hence, what do I know!). Whilst I might think Tabs / divisions are a must have, maybe, this should be a bolt on in LibreOffice (for Smartsuite users) and not a bloat on. My eldest son, now uses Smartsuite (an MS convert) to swing proposals around and he is also writing his 1st book. [chapter 1] [chapter 2] Actually, one of the things I would miss would be not to have the ability to change the page settings in each division, how do people cope? Calling all bolt on programmers! regards John
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Tom Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know if I get a response. I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit not compatible, OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting is a bit hit and miss. [wish-list] /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk. At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years correspondence or headings or whatever etc). Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date massively improves. I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the + means that it is a group tab and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle multi documents. I have group tabs that go like this +1990's +1991 Contracts (then a single tab 12/03/91 Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it as a separate item. You can copy paste, insert, you can move a tab, (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document. The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure. Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions) I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. Please consider this Thank you John Brassington / -- On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This guide might help? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport I think i would post as a normal bug but put at the start of the subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!) Regards from Tom :) From: John Bjo...@email2.me To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area? Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted? John B -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3691 - Release Date: 06/09/11 19:34:00 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken the brain dead Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: Tom Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know if I get a response. I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit not compatible, OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting is a bit hit and miss. [wish-list] /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk. At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years correspondence or headings or whatever etc). Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date massively improves. I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the + means that it is a group tab and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle multi documents. I have group tabs that go like this +1990's +1991 Contracts (then a single tab 12/03/91 Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it as a separate item. You can copy paste, insert, you can move a tab, (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document. The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure. Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions) I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. Please consider this Thank you John Brassington / -- On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This guide might help? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport I think i would post as a normal bug but put at the start of the subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!) Regards from Tom :) From: John Bjo...@email2.me To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area? Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted? John B -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3691 - Release Date: 06/09/11 19:34:00 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting
Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Dear Roland It reminds me of that Guinness Ad on Cold Guinness where the barman says your the 15th person today I've told that there is no call for Cold Guinness. I remember the 1st time I saw Lotus Smart Suite, this chap had just 2 files - Private and Business, he opened up the private one and inside were group tabs saying [+Gas], [+Electricity] etc - it thought of course, it was like a Eureka moment. Ask any other software user to find a current client document from 6 months ago let alone 10, 20 years ago!; And of course if you have a client called Fred Bloggs you don't have to think up new file names each time you send a new letter such a fred_blogs_fax_17_06_11_reply_London_office. I am assuming the they you refer to, is IBM thanks John B -- On 17/06/2011 15:20, Roland Hughes wrote: If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken the brain dead Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab. On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:56 +0100, John B wrote: Tom Thanks - I have posted the request below today - I will let you know if I get a response. I note that on the new IBM Lotus Symphony Web site - this has to be the most angered and fought for request (1000's), but IBM have now disowned its own software in favour of making the new cut down 3 progs suit not compatible, OOo used to!, but LibreOffice have taken up the challenge in as much as LO can read the files - although the original formatting is a bit hit and miss. [wish-list] /There must be 10's of thousands of Lotus Smart Suite users who use Lotus Wordpro who cannot move (locked in) to any other software because of a brilliant internal tab filing structure within wordpro. This is where you can put standard tabs inside Group tabs. Because Libreoffice thankfully support Lotus Smart Suite documents (and IBM no longer do), you would be the natural inheritor for all these folk. At the moment I am not aware of any other software that even have tab documents within a Word processor so you would be unique. One tab can be for any amount of pages (also called a division). The beauty of tab documents is that in one file you can have all the documents for say one client, one book etc. laid out in say years +2011, +2010 . +1995 or chapters etc. and inside (by clicking the +) the group tab opens up and you can have inside other tabs for all that years correspondence or headings or whatever etc). Now by having them all in one file, then a document produced in say 2000 is not archived or deleted as every time a new document is added the whole file is updated to the current date, so backing up by current date massively improves. I have files on current clients that go back to 1991, the + means that it is a group tab and that there are other tabs inside (and maybe more inside them) etc., Hence its an effective filing structure to handle multi documents. I have group tabs that go like this +1990's +1991 Contracts (then a single tab 12/03/91 Hence, you can also go straight to a division, click on it and Print it as a separate item. You can copy paste, insert, you can move a tab, (like making it the 1st or last page(s) in a document. The problem now is that if a Wordpro document, fully tabbed with say 10 - 1000 Tabs and by transferring it to LibreOfice it just becomes an unmanageable 10 to say 10,000 pages, with no structure. Managing large documents or many documents over a long period of time becomes achievable with Tabs (divisions) I would have thought that this would be useful in any word processor. Please consider this Thank you John Brassington / -- On 10/06/2011 14:42, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) This guide might help? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport I think i would post as a normal bug but put at the start of the subject-line (unless the guide has better advice!) Regards from Tom :) From: John Bjo...@email2.me To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 12:20:01 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Feature request - area? Is there an area where Feature Requests are posted? John B -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3691 - Release Date: 06/09/11
