Re: anyone using Logitech K860 wireless kbd/mouse??

[Jack Craig]

which is best? usb(dongle) or BT ??

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 2:01 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 8/4/23 13:16, Jack Craig wrote:
> >
> > first, thx to all that replied to my query.
> >
> > second, IMHO logictech
> >   is the best kbd/mse.
> >
> > i have been using  K350 & K860 sever yrs i have been using
> > K350 & MX wireless.
> >
> > but now trying to config the K860, the keys seem to wok, but not mouse.
>
> Are you using bluetooth or the dongle?
>
> I suggest updating to a current Fedora version before trying anything more.
>
> > i am about to save my user files & reinstall the OS,...
>
> There's no need to do that.  Just update to 36 first and then go to 38.
>
> (backups are always good of course)
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Re: anyone using Logitech K860 wireless kbd/mouse??

[Jack Craig]

first, thx to all that replied to my query.

second, IMHO logictech
 is the best kbd/mse.

i have been using  K350 & K860 sever yrs i have been using
K350 & MX wireless.

but now trying to config the K860, the keys seem to wok, but not mouse.

i found solaar, but not clear on how to use it ...

>
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:30 PM Jack Craig 
> wrote:
>
>> this kbd mouse feels great, but configuring it is a PITA.
>>
>> anyone else got this to work??
>>
>>
> I have a K850 that works fine. I don't know how similar this is to the
> K860.
>

i am about to save my user files & reinstall the OS,...

thoughts? tia, ...

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anyone using Logitech K860 wireless kbd/mouse??

[Jack Craig]

this kbd mouse feels great, but configuring it is a PITA.

anyone else got this to work??

i am using it should, no?? dusty copy of F34, but that should be enough,
no??
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Re: vlc and mp4 or mkv

[Jack Craig]

ffmpeg works fine for me, ...

On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 1:50 PM Bill Cunningham 
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> idk if anyone is having this problem or not, but creating a mp4 or mpg
> using vlc seems to be impossible. I have been trying with windows and
> IDK if that makes a difference but I also have the f37 live workstation
> environment. I can decrypt a dvd, copy and watch a dvd, and even create
> an iso using genisoimage. I cannot though create an mp4 or mpg.
>
>  My latest attempt seemed to copy a title video_ts copy and convert
> that but the "link in the chain" to other VOBs and such did not
> continue. This is in regards to vlc which runs on windows and linux, but
> I have tried several codecs together. aac, aac3, mp4 and mpg, and mkv.
> There is something always off.
>
>  IDK if this is helpful in regards to a problem. But I try to save
> movies/videos as an iso or if there is no special feature a much smaller
> mpeg. vlc seems to be unbelievably complex if it can create/convert an
> ISO or VOBs to mpg4 or another container format.
>
>  Has anyone else struggled with this problem and found a solution?
> Can these things be done using the live image workstation?
>
> B
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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

[Jack Craig]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 12:16 PM Mike Wright 
wrote:

> On 10/23/22 08:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are being moved to
> > Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation
> > and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said
> > lists. I speak mainly for the Evolution list but I think the same is
> > true on at least some others. Some of the discussion can be seen at:
> >
> > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/thread.html
> >
>
> >
> >
> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00276.html
> >
> > It appears that the gnome.org is hosted by RedHat, which is a member of
> > the Gnome Foundation. That being the case, I would like to know if
> > there is any danger (I use the word advisedly) of this list and others
> > in the Fedora ecosphere suffering the same fate.
>
> I've found this list to be phenomenally useful.  The combined
> professional experiences and individual life experiences are a HUGE
> resource.  No matter what it is there is always somebody who has the
> answer.  Discarding that makes about as much sense as the US discarding
> their democracy.
>

*Ditto!! *


>
> So, as goes this list, so go I.
>

*Double Ditto!! *

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AnyOne on this list using Fedora Project Silverblue or Project Discourse silverblue

[Jack Craig]

i have been using lists.fedoraproject.org. for support F20 -> F34
My platform environment is a  small home system.

i just read about Fedora 36/silverblue  (immutable) &
my inclination is to install silverblue, add flatpak's,
and move on to verify F36 silverblue

i also have a list of necessary application files for F36, that I need to
verify before I move on.
these include:

Firefox
including F36 OS +utils
bash shell +(.XXX)

OSB->studio
pipewire audio
http/https
certbot
ffmpeg
image view
files
perl
zoom


My questions include; is anyone on this list using  the silver blue desktop
app?

 If yes, then...

how easy is it to recover to an earlier version backup/reinstall user files
how stable are the bind & activity logs
how stable is Fedora 36  (silverblue) ??
would you recommend a migration to F36 silverblue now or wait for awhile??

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Re: Silverblue user mailing list??

[Jack Craig]

Thanks!!

On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 3:49 PM Chris Murphy 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, at 5:44 AM, Jack Craig wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
> I've been subscribed to this list for a while and I have never seen any
> traffic regarding Silverblue, is there a separate mailing list for
> Silverblue??
>
>
> Pretty sure most of it happens on Discourse.
> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/silverblue
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Silverblue user mailing list??

[Jack Craig]

hi all,

I've been subscribed to this list for a while and I have never seen any
traffic regarding Silverblue, is there a separate mailing list for
Silverblue??


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Re: are there typical ways Fedora tends to break?

[Jack Craig]

My impression is that audio has been install time problematic since F34.

i always do a fresh install rather than update.

overall workstation has been stellar despite its current EOL status.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 11:43 AM Chris Murphy 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a request for list regulars.
>
> The Fedora Workstation working group is curious if there's any pattern
> or categorization how Fedora installations typically break. i.e. the
> installation is successful, the system has been updated multiple times
> successfully, and then for whatever reason it breaks.
>
> Are most failures hardware related? This could be broken down into
> hard failure (drive or logic board failed) and soft failure (some
> hardware configuration change and reverting the change resolves the
> problem).
>
> What portion of the failures are early boot failures? (Defined as
> bootloader, kernel, or early initramfs failures. But excludes being
> landed at a dracut prompt.)
>
> What portion of the failures land the user at a dracut shell?
>
> What portion of the failures does the user get to a graphical shell
> but can't login?
>
> What portion of the failures can the user login but there's some sort
> of anomalous behavior?
>
> What portion of all failures are fixable without reinstalling?
>
> Is the GRUB "rescue" menu entry ever useful in resolving problems?
>
> Could everyone reading this try booting the "rescue" menu entry and
> describe what happens? How does the actual behavior compare to what
> you thought would happen?
>
> The questions list is not complete, feel free to add your own
> categorizations / failure patterns that you tend to see.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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Re: ffmpeg

[Jack Craig]

pkgs include,...

ffmpeg.x86_64 4.4.2-1.fc34
  @rpmfusion-free-updates
ffmpeg-devel.x86_64   4.4.2-1.fc34
  @rpmfusion-free-updates
ffmpeg-libs.x86_644.4.2-1.fc34
  @rpmfusion-free-updates

ffmpeg -codecs

ffmpeg -encoders

did you explore  installed encoders/decoders?


On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 2:40 PM Bill Cunningham 
wrote:

> There must be some missing libraries or something. Can I ask dnf to look
> for this? I have all rpms that mention being used with ffmpeg installed. I
> guess I could post errors posted if that would help. If no one has any idea
> what is wrong.
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Re: cursor color?

[Jack Craig]

i'll check that out, thx Samuel.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 10:24 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 6/4/22 12:56, Jack Craig wrote:
> > Normally the cursor is black.
> >
> > is it possible to change the cursor color on F34?
>
> F34 is EOL...
> I think the only way to do that is to use a different cursor theme.
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cursor color?

[Jack Craig]

hi folks,

Normally the cursor is black.

is it possible to change the cursor color on F34?

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Re: to wayland or not?

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On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 6:40 AM Thomas Horsley 
wrote:

> > so, which is it? wayland or no wayland??
>
> If a ps command shows /usr/libexec/Xorg running, then you are running
> X, not wayland.
>

ah, so i Am a wayland!  ;)


*jackc   2218  0.0  0.0 374164  6072 tty2 Ssl+ Apr24   0:00
/usr/libexec/gdm-wayland-session /usr/bin/gnome-sessionjackc 163886
 0.0  0.2 517900 77688 ?Sl   05:38   0:00 /usr/bin/Xwayland :0
-rootless -noreset -accessx -core -auth
/run/user/1000/.mutter-Xwaylandauth.P2V0K1 -listenfd 4 -listenfd 5
-displayfd 6 -initfd 7jackc 179722  0.0  0.0 221528   788 pts/1S+
11:52   0:00 grep --color=auto -i wayland*


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Re: to wayland or not?

[Jack Craig]

ah! that makes sense, Thx!

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:36 AM Gordon Messmer 
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> Wayland desktop sessions run Xwayland, which is an X11 server that
> displays to a wayland display, for compatibility with applications that
> don't natively support wayland.
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to wayland or not?

[Jack Craig]

hi list,

i was convinced that i was running wayland on my F34.

i see ... in my env,..

*WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-0*
which_declare=declare -f
XAUTHORITY=/run/user/1000/.mutter-Xwaylandauth.P2V0K1
XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME
XDG_DATA_DIRS=/home/jackc/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/
XDG_MENU_PREFIX=gnome-
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000
XDG_SESSION_CLASS=user
XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=gnome
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland

but inxi -G sez,...

*inxi -G*
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 530 driver: i915 v: kernel
  Device-2: NVIDIA GK208B [GeForce GT 730] driver: nouveau v: kernel

*  Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa gpu: nouveau resolution: 3840x2160~30Hz*
  OpenGL: renderer: NV106 v: 4.3 Mesa 21.1.8

so, which is it? wayland or no wayland??

thx, ...
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Re: wayland-info to 'invalid format' quest

[Jack Craig]

On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 11:56 AM Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 11:21:35 -0700
> Jack Craig wrote:
>
> > hi all,
> >
> > i am trying to fathom what hung me out to dry trying to
> > evaluate resolution options for  my F34/hdtv.
>
> See this bug I submitted about wayland not interpreting EDID correctly
> for an HD TV. Naturally it was closed (because I have better things to do
> than re-test bugs on every release cycle :-).
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1648608
>
> monitor.xml sounds interesting, I should look at it if I want to try
> and use wayland again. First I've heard of it.
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 diff .config/monitors.xml .config/monitors.xml-
16,18c16,18
<   3840
<   2160
<   30
---
>   2560
>   1440
>   59.960628509521484

the first version is the working version, the 2560x1440

i am wondering if the invalid format is the refresh not being an even 30 ???

thx, ...
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wayland-info to 'invalid format' quest

[Jack Craig]

hi all,

i am trying to fathom what hung me out to dry trying to
evaluate resolution options for  my F34/hdtv.

entering display settings, looking at the list of possible resolutions,
there are several.

*many of those options, if selected yields 'invalid format' !*


*what is this telling me?! X by Y values? refresh rate???*


while xrandr looks at resolutions and displays options for x11.

what is the wayland to evaluate resolution format?

wayland-info provides:

interface: 'wl_drm', version:  2, name:
 1
interface: 'wl_compositor',  version:  4, name:
 2
interface: 'wl_shm', version:  1, name:
 3
formats: 'XB4H'(0x48344258) 'AB4H'(0x48344241) 'XR4H'(0x48345258)
'AR4H'(0x48345241) 'XB30'(0x30334258) 'AB30'(0x30334241) 'XR30'(0x30335258)
'AR30'(0x30335241) RGB565 XRGB ARGB
interface: 'wl_output',  version:  2, name:
 4





*x: 0, y: 0, scale: 1, physical_width: 1600 mm, physical_height: 900 mm,
make: 'GSM', model: 'LG TV', subpixel_orientation: unknown,
output_transform: normal, mode: width: 3840 px, height: 2160 px, refresh:
30.000 Hz,*
flags: current






*interface: 'zxdg_output_manager_v1', version:  3,
name:  5 xdg_output_v1 output: 4 name: 'HDMI-3' description: 'LG
Electronics LG TV' logical_x: 0, logical_y: 0 logical_width: 3840,
logical_height: 2160*
interface: 'wl_data_device_manager', version:  3, name:
 6
interface: 'zwp_primary_selection_device_manager_v1',version:  1, name:
 7
interface: 'gtk_primary_selection_device_manager',   version:  1, name:
 8
interface: 'wl_subcompositor',   version:  1, name:
 9
interface: 'xdg_wm_base',version:  3, name:
10
interface: 'zxdg_shell_v6',  version:  1, name:
11
interface: 'wl_shell',   version:  1, name:
12
interface: 'gtk_shell1', version:  4, name:
13
interface: 'wp_viewporter',  version:  1, name:
14
interface: 'zwp_pointer_gestures_v1',version:  1, name:
15
interface: 'zwp_tablet_manager_v2',  version:  1, name:
16
interface: 'wl_seat',version:  5, name:
17
name: seat0
capabilities: pointer keyboard
keyboard repeat rate: 33
keyboard repeat delay: 500
interface: 'zwp_relative_pointer_manager_v1',version:  1, name:
18
interface: 'zwp_pointer_constraints_v1', version:  1, name:
19
interface: 'zxdg_exporter_v1',   version:  1, name:
20
interface: 'zxdg_importer_v1',   version:  1, name:
21
interface: 'zwp_linux_dmabuf_v1',version:  3, name:
22
formats:
'AR4H'(0x48345241), modifier: 0x00ff
'XR4H'(0x48345258), modifier: 0x00ff
'XB4H'(0x48344258), modifier: 0x00ff
'AB4H'(0x48344241), modifier: 0x00ff
'RG16'(0x36314752), modifier: 0x00ff
'XR30'(0x30335258), modifier: 0x00ff
'AB30'(0x30334241), modifier: 0x00ff
'AR30'(0x30335241), modifier: 0x00ff
'XB24'(0x34324258), modifier: 0x00ff
'XR24'(0x34325258), modifier: 0x00ff
'AB24'(0x34324241), modifier: 0x00ff
'AR24'(0x34325241), modifier: 0x00ff
interface: 'zwp_keyboard_shortcuts_inhibit_manager_v1',  version:  1, name:
23
interface: 'zwp_text_input_manager_v3',  version:  1, name:
24
interface: 'gtk_text_input_manager', version:  1, name:
25
interface: 'wp_presentation',version:  1, name:
26
presentation clock id: 1 (CLOCK_MONOTONIC)

jonathan kindly pointed me to  ~/.config/monitor.xml

hacking this file fixed my error msg, but does not explain what's wrong.
any additional insight out there??

tia, jackc...
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Re: open source media streaming software recommendations?

[Jack Craig]

thanks for your reply.

i've been looking at obs-studio and tutorials for beginners and
i agree this is right for me.


On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:39 PM Thomas Cameron <
thomas.came...@camerontech.com> wrote:

> On 4/19/22 15:28, Jack Craig wrote:
> > hi list,
> >
> > i am looking for open source media streaming software that works well
> > in the fedora world.
> >
> > no big commercial plan, just personal use for
> > sudoku value.
> >
> > any suggestions??
> >
> > thx, jackc...
>
> I'll second OBS. I use it on Fedora 35 and it works incredibly well.
>
> There are a bunch of good videos on using OBS on YouTube.
>
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Re: open source media streaming software recommendations?

[Jack Craig]

obs-studio looks like a good place to start, Thx!

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> On Tue, 2022-04-19 at 13:28 -0700, Jack Craig wrote:
> > i am looking for open source media streaming software that works well
> > in the fedora world.
>
> Audio or video?
>
> Quite a few people use OBS for video streaming, I've dabbled with it.
>
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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

i wondered if the list just didnt like me! ;)

as for the mystery solution, after all the support, I figured a summary was
the least i could do...

On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 9:45 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Wed, 2022-04-20 at 22:55 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> > On Wed, 2022-04-20 at 02:41 -0700, Jack Craig wrote:
> > > i sent a reply to the question of what was the mystery ,
> > > but I don't see it on the thread did you get it?
> >
> > It came through to the list.  If you're reading in gmail, it's
> > probably
> > doing that thing where it doesn't show messages to your own address
> > from your own address.
> >
>
> That works for me, as it always has. Just tested it again to be sure.
>
> > I just started doing that to me, again.  It's not such as odd thing
> > to
> > do as people might think:  How do you test your email is working?
> > Send
> > yourself a message.  Now, you need a second address to send tests
> > from.
> >
> > And, as you've probably discovered, if your posts to mailing lists
> > don't come back to you, it's confusing.
>
> Lists managed by Mailman (which IIRC include the Fedora lists) let the
> user specify if they want to receive their own posts. My subscription
> to this list is set up that way and I do see them. I think Gmail
> doesn't mark them as *new* which may have the effect of hiding them
> according to how your view is set up.
>
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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

i sent a reply to the question of what was the mystery ,
but I don't see it on the thread did you get it?

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> On 19/04/2022 07:28, Jack Craig wrote:
> > this mystery has been resolved and my server is online.
>
> Is the solution easy to describe?
>
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open source media streaming software recommendations?

[Jack Craig]

hi list,

i am looking for open source media streaming software that works well in
the fedora world.

no big commercial plan, just personal use for
sudoku value.

any suggestions??

thx, jackc...
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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

Now that my network mystery has been resolved, I thought I would explain my
challenges.

 for this to make sense I need to add a bit of backstory.

 my problem started about 12 months ago, I had purchased an static  IP
block from AT and
 the bandwidth package. it was fairly small but it worked with a pace
5238ac
modem Router from AT and it was working OK.  it didn't have much in the
way of
lan control; I wanted better Wi-Fi and better lan client control .

so I went out and  bought a nighthawk and started connecting it in a
cascade to the
Internet where the nighthawk backed up the AT router .

 come January this year I was looking at bandwidth short fall and decided
to get an upgrade

I ordered the upgraded bandwidth package and it was installed in early
February.

when the AT tech did
that installation, he swapped out the pace router for the arris BGW210-700
router
and all hell broke loose.

For almost a month I had been trying to get that cascade working from the
BGW210-700 to the Nighthawk. I explored
Google,  mfgr docs,  i looked everywhere trying to find samples of how
to make it work.

from all I read it should have worked but I couldn't get it to

It was at this point that I decided to appeal to the users on  the fedora
list and several gentlemen
were kind enough to help me  clear the mist from my path as it were.

 for a while we tried to get the cascading to work with no joy.  I decided
to bite the bullet pull
 the nighthawk out of the loop and just live with the AT router

The next couple of weeks I moved old router lan clients to the new router
topology.

 I got my lan clients moved over, I also got the static IP visible to the
world but still I
could not connect the internet to my web server.

The last clue in the puzzle came from port examining from firewalls out to
the Internet

why was I not connecting??

 I found this nifty tool in the world from some company called getsignal .
it would look at
your ports from the outside and tell you their status. so I keyed in HTTP
and Https ports and
sure enough from the Internet they were blocked

At this point all that remained was to use the port mapping and service
creation on the
AT router to map the external wan side ports to the lan web server and
it worked.

I renewed my letsencrypt certs and I am on down the road.
i even got my 'A' from my qualys ssl test! {Yeah}

Once again thanks to all that assisted me on this horrendous ride
but it's working now thank you again very much

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 8:07 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 19/04/2022 07:28, Jack Craig wrote:
> > this mystery has been resolved and my server is online.
>
> Is the solution easy to describe?
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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

i'll be surprised if there arent a few tweaks still, but i can get back to
drone footage capture..

Thx again, ...

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 6:36 PM Tim via users 
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> On Mon, 2022-04-18 at 16:28 -0700, Jack Craig wrote:
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>
> I just tried.  Initially the browser was unable to connect.  But after
> a few retries it could.
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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

this mystery has been resolved and my server is online.

i am profusely grateful for the  wisdom of folks on this list including,
Ed, Samuel, George, Tim, Gordon, Richard, and Cameron.

thanks, jackc...


On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 4:19 AM George N. White III  wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 02:47, Gordon Messmer 
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/4/22 00:50, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> > If you connect the Nighthawk to the BGW210 using one of the LAN ports
>> > on the Nighthawk, everything would be on the 192.168.1.x subnet and
>> > you could use the same SSID on both devices.  You would need to
>> > disable the DHCP server on the Nighthawk and most likely need to give
>> > the Nighthawk a static IP address on the LAN because they usually
>> > don't support getting it from DHCP.
>>
>>
>> At that point the Nighthawk would be just another switch, which doesn't
>> seem helpful *or* secure.
>>
>
> The Nighthawk also provides a wifi access point.
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Re: F34 display resolution blank screen bad format

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On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 1:55 PM Jonathan Billings 
wrote:

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 16:48, Jack Craig  wrote:
> > so with my 49" smart tv, and the half dozen or so resolutions, how do i
> know which work without pressing apply?
>

i got here  because I was trying to deal with an issue of Firefox ,the
fonts for drop-down box and for page headers were way too small to read

I found that if I decrease the  resolution value that the characters  came
much more readable.

so I was walking that list of options to see which one looks best when I
get hung out to dry

now I know what to fix to deal with it I can map out what works

>
> It will automatically revert the resolution after you select Apply and
> don’t confirm it works in the confirmation dialog. Just wait 30 seconds.
>
> If it is really messing up your display in such a way that the display
> never reverts, and is somehow still saving the resolution, that’s a bug and
> should be reported. However it should do that. The only thing I can think
> of is that you somehow blindly clicked the button last time.
>

definitely a possibility. thx again, jackc...

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Re: F34 display resolution blank screen bad format

[Jack Craig]

ok, got it, but why??

the .config/monitor.xml had an invalid resolution. set it back to 1920x1440
and viola.

so with my 49" smart tv, and the half dozen or so resolutions, how do i
know which work without pressing apply?

thx for your support jonathan...

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 12:12 PM Jack Craig 
wrote:

> note also i have no WAYLAND_*  in my env ??
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 11:52 AM Jack Craig 
> wrote:
>
>> ok, after moving the monitor.xml, then what?
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 9:45 AM Jonathan Billings 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 00:30, Jack Craig 
>>> wrote:
>>> > is there a way to recover it without a reinstall?
>>>
>>> Of course!  This is a problem that should never need a reinstall.
>>>
>>> I assume you only have a problem after login.  Do you know how to boot
>>> into multi-user target?  If so, log into the text console and move aside
>>> ~/.config/monitors.xml. You might be able to get to a working tty right now
>>> by hitting control-alt-F3, but I don’t know if your monitor is awake to
>>> show the console.
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Re: F34 display resolution blank screen bad format

[Jack Craig]

note also i have no WAYLAND_*  in my env ??

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 11:52 AM Jack Craig 
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> ok, after moving the monitor.xml, then what?
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 9:45 AM Jonathan Billings 
> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 00:30, Jack Craig  wrote:
>> > is there a way to recover it without a reinstall?
>>
>> Of course!  This is a problem that should never need a reinstall.
>>
>> I assume you only have a problem after login.  Do you know how to boot
>> into multi-user target?  If so, log into the text console and move aside
>> ~/.config/monitors.xml. You might be able to get to a working tty right now
>> by hitting control-alt-F3, but I don’t know if your monitor is awake to
>> show the console.
>>
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Re: F34 display resolution blank screen bad format

[Jack Craig]

ok, after moving the monitor.xml, then what?

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> On Apr 18, 2022, at 00:30, Jack Craig  wrote:
> > is there a way to recover it without a reinstall?
>
> Of course!  This is a problem that should never need a reinstall.
>
> I assume you only have a problem after login.  Do you know how to boot
> into multi-user target?  If so, log into the text console and move aside
> ~/.config/monitors.xml. You might be able to get to a working tty right now
> by hitting control-alt-F3, but I don’t know if your monitor is awake to
> show the console.
>
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Re: F34 display resolution blank screen bad format

[Jack Craig]

so it is wayland, i screwed up the gnome display  resolution settings.

is there a way to recover it without a reinstall?

tia,...

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 2:38 PM Jack Craig 
wrote:

> and msg is invalid format , not bad format.
>
> i wasnt paying close enough attention, didnt mean to clip, but i may have.
>
> and cli reset method??
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 2:14 PM Jack Craig 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:49 AM Jonathan Billings 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2022, at 06:05, Jack Craig 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > i was looking at resolution for monitor, but trapped in blank screen
>>> with "bad format" to display.
>>> >
>>> > any ideas??
>>>
>>> If you using GNOME when changing resolutions, when you choose a
>>> resolution and don’t click on the modal dialog accepting it, it reverts
>>> back to the old resolution after a timer. You must have been using
>>> something else.
>>>
>>> Are you using wayland or X11?  What DE?  Are you familiar with booting
>>> into the multi-user target?
>>
>>
>>
>>> i think its wayland
>>>
>> , no changes from default.
>>
>> gnome desktop
>>
>> DE, development env? no
>>
>> no just a normal boot to multi user mode.
>> i can hear youtube running, but video is  just displaying an invalid
>> format...
>>
>>
>>
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Re: F34 display resolution blank screen bad format

[Jack Craig]

and msg is invalid format , not bad format.

i wasnt paying close enough attention, didnt mean to clip, but i may have.

and cli reset method??

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 2:14 PM Jack Craig 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:49 AM Jonathan Billings 
> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 17, 2022, at 06:05, Jack Craig  wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > i was looking at resolution for monitor, but trapped in blank screen
>> with "bad format" to display.
>> >
>> > any ideas??
>>
>> If you using GNOME when changing resolutions, when you choose a
>> resolution and don’t click on the modal dialog accepting it, it reverts
>> back to the old resolution after a timer. You must have been using
>> something else.
>>
>> Are you using wayland or X11?  What DE?  Are you familiar with booting
>> into the multi-user target?
>
>
>
>> i think its wayland
>>
> , no changes from default.
>
> gnome desktop
>
> DE, development env? no
>
> no just a normal boot to multi user mode.
> i can hear youtube running, but video is  just displaying an invalid
> format...
>
>
>
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Re: F34 display resolution blank screen bad format

[Jack Craig]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:49 AM Jonathan Billings 
wrote:

> On Apr 17, 2022, at 06:05, Jack Craig  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > i was looking at resolution for monitor, but trapped in blank screen
> with "bad format" to display.
> >
> > any ideas??
>
> If you using GNOME when changing resolutions, when you choose a resolution
> and don’t click on the modal dialog accepting it, it reverts back to the
> old resolution after a timer. You must have been using something else.
>
> Are you using wayland or X11?  What DE?  Are you familiar with booting
> into the multi-user target?



> i think its wayland
>
, no changes from default.

gnome desktop

DE, development env? no

no just a normal boot to multi user mode.
i can hear youtube running, but video is  just displaying an invalid
format...



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F34 display resolution blank screen bad format

[Jack Craig]

i was looking at resolution for monitor, but trapped in blank screen with
"bad format" to display.

any ideas??
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Re: fedora 34/httpd/letsencrypt dont play nice??

[Jack Craig]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 3:33 PM Jonathan Billings 
wrote:

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 18:12, Jack Craig  wrote:
>
>
> SSLCertificateFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/linuxlighthouse.com/fullchain.pem
>
>
> The information you’ve mentioned is not enough to understand what the
> actual problem is. What does “dont play nice” mean?
>
> Make sure the selinux attributes are “system_u:object_r:cert_t:s0” (which
> is what the selinux policy should give it by default) and that the file and
> the *entire path* to the file is readable by the user that runs the apache
> httpd (apache).
>
> Your first place to look should be the /var/log/httpd/ directory. I’m sure
> that if there is a problem with the cert or it’s location / permissions, it
> will be there. If it’s a browser problem, you really need to give an
> example.
>
> *certbot -v  certonly --webroot --webroot-path /var/www/html/ --domain
linuxlighthouse.com <http://linuxlighthouse.com> --domain
ws.linuxlighthouse.com <http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com> --domain
www.linuxlighthouse.com <http://www.linuxlighthouse.com>*


*using apache plugin*


*using the above cmd, i get,...*


































*Saving debug log to /var/log/letsencrypt/letsencrypt.logPlugins selected:
Authenticator webroot, Installer NoneCertificate is due for renewal,
auto-renewing...Renewing an existing certificate for linuxlighthouse.com
<http://linuxlighthouse.com> and 2 more domainsPerforming the following
challenges:http-01 challenge for linuxlighthouse.com
<http://linuxlighthouse.com>http-01 challenge for ws.linuxlighthouse.com
<http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com>http-01 challenge for
www.linuxlighthouse.com <http://www.linuxlighthouse.com>Using the webroot
path /var/www/html for all unmatched domains.Waiting for
verification...Challenge failed for domain linuxlighthouse.com
<http://linuxlighthouse.com>Challenge failed for domain
ws.linuxlighthouse.com <http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com>Challenge failed for
domain www.linuxlighthouse.com <http://www.linuxlighthouse.com>http-01
challenge for linuxlighthouse.com <http://linuxlighthouse.com>http-01
challenge for ws.linuxlighthouse.com <http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com>http-01
challenge for www.linuxlighthouse.com
<http://www.linuxlighthouse.com>Certbot failed to authenticate some domains
(authenticator: webroot). The Certificate Authority reported these
problems:  Domain: linuxlighthouse.com <http://linuxlighthouse.com>  Type:
  connection  Detail: Fetching
http://linuxlighthouse.com/.well-known/acme-challenge/CsFMDVLCGsSdd4LtiWsrf57VQGiWNAS8Ht2y8n-HovM
<http://linuxlighthouse.com/.well-known/acme-challenge/CsFMDVLCGsSdd4LtiWsrf57VQGiWNAS8Ht2y8n-HovM>:
Timeout during connect (likely firewall problem)  Domain:
ws.linuxlighthouse.com <http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com>  Type:   connection
Detail: Fetching
http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com/.well-known/acme-challenge/wKB5_QWGTM6TptVYBWFMKz0Fkd92Ulphof_ovQJ4nKI
<http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com/.well-known/acme-challenge/wKB5_QWGTM6TptVYBWFMKz0Fkd92Ulphof_ovQJ4nKI>:
Timeout during connect (likely firewall problem)  Domain:
www.linuxlighthouse.com <http://www.linuxlighthouse.com>  Type:
connection  Detail: Fetching
http://www.linuxlighthouse.com/.well-known/acme-challenge/LKJIuPyWJsczpKYH8OXNZU8dshLwfnfZXL6U1IQfUpY
<http://www.linuxlighthouse.com/.well-known/acme-challenge/LKJIuPyWJsczpKYH8OXNZU8dshLwfnfZXL6U1IQfUpY>:
Timeout during connect (likely firewall problem)Hint: The Certificate
Authority failed to download the temporary challenge files created by
Certbot. Ensure that the listed domains serve their content from the
provided --webroot-path/-w and that files created there can be downloaded
from the internet.Cleaning up challengesSome challenges have failed.*

to me it looks like certbot cant write to /var/www/html/.well-known/..
and figures i dont own the site.

i have http & https open for the fedora FW, gotta look next at the FW rules
on the BGW210700 .

does this ring any bells for others on this list??

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fedora 34/httpd/letsencrypt dont play nice??

[Jack Craig]

trying to secure a new web server ,
my httpd.conf has,...

#   Point SSLCertificateFile at a PEM encoded certificate.  If
#   the certificate is encrypted, then you will be prompted for a
#   pass phrase.  Note that restarting httpd will prompt again.  Keep
#   in mind that if you have both an RSA and a DSA certificate you
#   can configure both in parallel (to also allow the use of DSA
#   ciphers, etc.)
#   Some ECC cipher suites (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4492.txt)
#   require an ECC certificate which can also be configured in
#   parallel.
#SSLCertificateFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/localhost.crt
SSLCertificateFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/linuxlighthouse.com/fullchain.pem



lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 48 Jan  5 11:10 /etc/letsencrypt/live/
linuxlighthouse.com/fullchain.pem -> ../../archive/
linuxlighthouse.com/fullchain4.pem
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Re: dns config query

[Jack Craig]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 6:33 PM Richard 
wrote:

>
> > Date: Monday, April 11, 2022 18:20:19 -0700
> > From: Jack Craig
>
> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:49 PM Mike Wright
> >
> >> On 4/11/22 14:12, Richard wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Date: Monday, April 11, 2022 13:10:59 -0700
> >> >> From: Jack Craig
> >> >>
> >> >> I get as far as whois and things appear to fall apart...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> *host linuxlighthouse.com
> >> >> linuxlighthouse.com has address 108.220.213.121*
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> *host 108.220.213.121121.213.220.108.in-addr.arpa domain name
> >> >> pointer unknown5065f34aece5.attlocal.net*
> >> >>
> >> >> *whois linuxlighthouse.com
> >> >> [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com
> >> >> [Redirected to whois.networksolutions.com
> >> >> [Querying whois.networksolutions.com
> >> >> *
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I'm not seeing any issues - the issue may be with whatever you
> >> > are using as your nameserver for lookups.
> >> >
> >> > dig +short linuxlighthouse.com
> >> > 108.220.213.121
> >> >
> >> > dig +short -x 108.220.213.121
> >> > ws.linuxlighthouse.com.
> >> >
> >> > dig +short @NS21.WORLDNIC.COM linuxlighthouse.com
> >> > 108.220.213.121
> >> >
> >> > dig +short @NS22.WORLDNIC.COM linuxlighthouse.com
> >> > 108.220.213.121
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > whois linuxlighthouse.com
> >> > Domain Name: LINUXLIGHTHOUSE.COM
> >> > Registry Domain ID: 1540828151_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
> >> > Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com
> >> > Registrar URL: http://networksolutions.com
> >> > Updated Date: 2021-05-23T19:47:31Z
> >> > Creation Date: 2009-02-04T17:52:12Z
> >> > Registry Expiry Date: 2023-02-04T17:52:12Z
> >> > Registrar: Network Solutions, LLC
> >> > Registrar IANA ID: 2
> >> > Registrar Abuse Contact Email: ab...@web.com
> >> > Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8003337680
> >> > Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> >> > https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
> >> > Name Server: NS21.WORLDNIC.COM
> >> > Name Server: NS22.WORLDNIC.COM
> >>
> >> Same thing here, starting at the authority servers, I don't see
> >> anything wrong.
> >>
> >> who are linuxlighthouse.com's nameservers?
> >> ns21.worldnic.com. ns22.worldnic.com.
> >>
> >> what are their nameserver IPs?
> >> 162.159.26.132
> >> 162.159.27.77
> >>
> >> what is my IP?
> >> from ns1: 108.220.213.121
> >> from ns2: 108.220.213.121
> >>
> >> does linuxlighthouse.com. have a pointer record?
> >> 108.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS r.arin.net.
> >> --> following authority chain...
> >> 220.108.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns1.swbell.net.
> >> 220.108.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns3.sbcglobal.net.
> >> 220.108.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns2.swbell.net.
> >>
> >> digging at ns1.swbell.net. for a PTR record
> >> 121.213.220.108.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN PTR ws.linuxlighthouse.com.
> >> (same results from the other two authorities)
> >>
> >>  From the top down your records look good.
> >>
> >
> > *i am heartened that the view of my setup looks good.*
> >
> > *means I must be doing it wrong.*
> >
> > *i get, ...*
> >
> > *whois linuxlighthouse.com
> > [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com
> > [Redirected to whois.networksolutions.com
> > [Querying whois.networksolutions.com
> > [Unable to connect to remote host]*
> >
> > *what i get appears to fail connection to networksolutions whois
> > database, how to resolve this time out??*
> >
> > *tia, ...*
>
>
> Try this version of the whois command:
>
>   whois -h whois.networksolutions.com linuxlighthouse.com
>
> which does an explicit pointer to the whois server rather than thewhois -h
> whoiswhois -h whois.networksolutions.com linuxlighthouse.com
> [Querying whois.networksolutions.com]
> [Unable to connect to remote host]
>
> implicit redirect.
>
> My results are:
>
> whois -h whois.networksolutions.com linuxlighthouse.com

Re: dns config query

[Jack Craig]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:49 PM Mike Wright 
wrote:

> On 4/11/22 14:12, Richard wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Date: Monday, April 11, 2022 13:10:59 -0700
> >> From: Jack Craig 
> >>
> >> I get as far as whois and things appear to fall apart...
> >>
> >>
> >> *host linuxlighthouse.com
> >> <http://linuxlighthouse.com>linuxlighthouse.com
> >> <http://linuxlighthouse.com> has address 108.220.213.121*
> >>
> >>
> >> *host 108.220.213.121121.213.220.108.in-addr.arpa domain name
> >> pointer unknown5065f34aece5.attlocal.net
> >> <http://unknown5065f34aece5.attlocal.net>.*
> >>
> >> *whois linuxlighthouse.com <http://linuxlighthouse.com>[Querying
> >> whois.verisign-grs.com <http://whois.verisign-grs.com>][Redirected
> >> to whois.networksolutions.com
> >> <http://whois.networksolutions.com>][Querying
> >> whois.networksolutions.com <http://whois.networksolutions.com>]
> >> *
> >>
> >
> > I'm not seeing any issues - the issue may be with whatever you are
> > using as your nameserver for lookups.
> >
> > dig +short linuxlighthouse.com
> > 108.220.213.121
> >
> > dig +short -x 108.220.213.121
> > ws.linuxlighthouse.com.
> >
> > dig +short @NS21.WORLDNIC.COM linuxlighthouse.com
> > 108.220.213.121
> >
> > dig +short @NS22.WORLDNIC.COM linuxlighthouse.com
> > 108.220.213.121
> >
> >
> > whois linuxlighthouse.com
> > Domain Name: LINUXLIGHTHOUSE.COM
> > Registry Domain ID: 1540828151_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
> > Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com
> > Registrar URL: http://networksolutions.com
> > Updated Date: 2021-05-23T19:47:31Z
> > Creation Date: 2009-02-04T17:52:12Z
> > Registry Expiry Date: 2023-02-04T17:52:12Z
> > Registrar: Network Solutions, LLC
> > Registrar IANA ID: 2
> > Registrar Abuse Contact Email: ab...@web.com
> > Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8003337680
> > Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> > https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
> > Name Server: NS21.WORLDNIC.COM
> > Name Server: NS22.WORLDNIC.COM
>
> Same thing here, starting at the authority servers, I don't see anything
> wrong.
>
> who are linuxlighthouse.com's nameservers?
> ns21.worldnic.com. ns22.worldnic.com.
>
> what are their nameserver IPs?
> 162.159.26.132
> 162.159.27.77
>
> what is my IP?
> from ns1: 108.220.213.121
> from ns2: 108.220.213.121
>
> does linuxlighthouse.com. have a pointer record?
> 108.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS r.arin.net.
> --> following authority chain...
> 220.108.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns1.swbell.net.
> 220.108.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns3.sbcglobal.net.
> 220.108.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns2.swbell.net.
>
> digging at ns1.swbell.net. for a PTR record
> 121.213.220.108.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN PTR ws.linuxlighthouse.com.
> (same results from the other two authorities)
>
>  From the top down your records look good.
>

*i am heartened that the view of my setup looks good.*

*means I must be doing it wrong.*

*i get, ...*









*whois linuxlighthouse.com <http://linuxlighthouse.com>[Querying
whois.verisign-grs.com <http://whois.verisign-grs.com>][Redirected to
whois.networksolutions.com <http://whois.networksolutions.com>][Querying
whois.networksolutions.com <http://whois.networksolutions.com>][Unable to
connect to remote host]*

*what i get appears to fail connection to networksolutions whois database,
how to resolve this time out??*

*tia, ...*

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dns config query

[Jack Craig]

hi list,

i have recently failed to get a cascaded router configuration to work,
so i removed the second router and am now just using the att provided
router (arris bgw210700).

Worse, I made erroneous assumptions and managed to shoot myself in the foot.

I am revisiting earlier provided dns  setup and run into the following
issue.

I get as far as whois and things appear to fall apart...


*host linuxlighthouse.com linuxlighthouse.com
 has address 108.220.213.121*


*host 108.220.213.121121.213.220.108.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer
unknown5065f34aece5.attlocal.net .*





*whois linuxlighthouse.com [Querying
whois.verisign-grs.com ][Redirected to
whois.networksolutions.com ][Querying
whois.networksolutions.com ] *


*systemctl systemctl status namedUnit named.service could not be found.*

*so i am not running named and it looks to me like whois networksolutions
is confused.*

*dig sez, ...*























*dig linuxlighthouse.com  any; <<>> DiG
9.16.27-RH <<>> linuxlighthouse.com  any;;
global options: +cmd;; Got answer:;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status:
NOERROR, id: 23677;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0,
ADDITIONAL: 1;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 65494;;
QUESTION SECTION:;linuxlighthouse.com . IN
ANY;; ANSWER SECTION:linuxlighthouse.com . 3789
IN HINFO "RFC8482" ""linuxlighthouse.com .
169243 IN NS ns21.worldnic.com
.linuxlighthouse.com
. 169243 IN NS ns22.worldnic.com
.;; Query time: 31 msec;; SERVER:
127.0.0.53#53(127.0.0.53);; WHEN: Mon Apr 11 13:04:27 PDT 2022;; MSG SIZE
 rcvd: 116*

my luck guessing how to proceed is 0 for 0 so,
what is the wisdom on this list as to how to proceed?

tia, ...
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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:54 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

>
>
> If you connect the Nighthawk to the BGW210 using one of the LAN ports on
> the Nighthawk, everything would be on the 192.168.1.x subnet and you
> could use the same SSID on both devices.  You would need to disable the
> DHCP server on the Nighthawk and most likely need to give the Nighthawk
> a static IP address on the LAN because they usually don't support
> getting it from DHCP.
>

*this approach makes sense.*

*also links to hardware images,...*


*you can see access from internet to att rtr, nh rtr, switch with 10.0.0.0
lan addrs*

*https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NIuvNtE9dOyUZeW96D-i3En5e9p_Ggrb/view?usp=sharing
*

*https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mQ3-kYqSEQIKhsFjTTGTuWyRN-kg4WGp/view?usp=sharing
*


*so to implement this change, *

*1. update networkmanager to assign 108.220.213.121 to the server(currently
10.0.0.101) and plug it into the att rtr*

*2. disable dhcp on nh rtr*

*3. enable wifi for 2.4 & 5mhz on the att rtr*

*4. set up a static ip for nh rtr on the 192.168.1.0*

*5. plug nh rtr into the att rtr leaving switch attached to the nh rtr*

*acknowledging my reduced skill in this endeavour, have i included all
necessary steps and in the right order??*





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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 6:06 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 3/25/22 19:29, Jack Craig wrote:
> > i am working to restore a web server to internet access that is failing
> > after att update
> > the att older modem (pace 5238ac) with arris BGW210-700.
> >
> > i have a static ip from att in the range 108.220.213.0/255.255.255.248
> > <http://108.220.213.0/255.255.255.248>, 108.220.213.121 is the external
> > ip for the server.
> >
> > the bgw210-700 is the primary router/modem and is connected to a 3rd
> > party router, netgear nighthawk,
> >
> > the internal 10.0.0.0/ <http://10.0.0.0/>  connects to the netgear
> nighthawk
>
> I'm going to try to coalesce the bits of information from various
> emails, but it's still mostly blanks...
>
> Is the BGW210 connected via DSL or the Optical uplink port?
>

no, (and i hope to have pix in the am), the bgw210770 lan port 1 of 4,
connects
to nighthawk internet port of the nighthawk. a nighthawk lan port is used
to connect 16 port switch.
all the internal hosts, including the intended web server is plugged into
that switch.


>
> You have a static IP subnet which should be
> 108.220.213.120/255.255.255.248 as explained by Richard.
>

yes, i accept my error in that ip/subnet map.


>
> Are you wanting to use multiple addresses?
>

 att supports only 1 ip exposed ip so i didnt expect an option for more
than 1.

>
> Do you want a computer on your network to use one of those public
> addresses or are you just trying to port forward from one of those
> addresses?
>
> There are a few ways to do those options.
>
an earlier suggestion was to plug the srvr into the bgw210700
as well as the nighthawk. i've been looking to update my configuration

>
> Where is the web server located in your network?
>
well, 10.0.0.101 is the internal ip for the web server. 108.220.213.121 is
the external ip for that same web server.


> Would you be willing to move it to a different section?
>

yes. clearly my approach is not happening; i trust the respondents on this
thread; if y'all said stand on my head, i'd try.. ;)


>
> Are you using the wifi from both the BGW210 and the Nighthawk?
> If so, do they have different SSIDs?
>

blackhole-nh is the nighthawk, blackhole-att is the bgw210700


>
> Do you have the Nighthawk connected to the BGW210 using the WAN port or
> a LAN port?
>

lan port 1.


> I'm guessing it's the WAN port because you have both a 192.168.x.x
> subnet (I assume that's the BGW210 LAN) and a 10.0.x.x subnet (I assume
> that's the Nighthawk LAN).  You would be better off connecting the
> Nighthawk to the BGW210 using one of the Nighthawk's LAN ports instead,
> so you only have one private subnet.  But this also depends on the
> answers to the questions about using the multiple public addresses.


 Your suggestion makes sense. i just need to get router access from this
configuration.

the current setup allows my firefox session to access both 10.0.0.1 &
192.168.1.254

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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 10:11 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 3/28/22 12:10, Jack Craig wrote:
> > i needed more wifi service so i bought the nighthawk thinking to cascade
> > the NH behind(required)
> > arris bgw210700. in last years config, i had all traffic routed through
> > the ATT and did port mapping from the internet
> > from static ip external to internal network(10.0.0.0) on the NH.
> >
> > 10.0.0.0 was not shared with the public subnet and it all just worked.
> >
> > tracing ip's & networks, i get...
> >
> > 108.90.204.1   isp GW
> > 108.90.204.76 isp ATT rtr (WAN side)
> >
> > 192.168.1.254 ATT rtr access (LAN side)
> >
> > 10.0.0.1   NH  GW   (NH LAN )
> >
> > 10.0.0.101  (aka 108.220.213.121)  WS srvr.
> >
> > is this an unreasonable configuration given my goal?
> >
> > it was also asked what networks i used to transition public subnet to
> > private subnet as, ...
> >
> > 192.1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *68.1.0 to 10.0.0.0 [Cloud to att broadband]][ATT rtr 192.168.1.254
>  device_id ]--lan port 1 connect to NH uplink --[NH rtr gateway
>  10.0.0.1  ][NH rtr gateway  uplink netgear switch ][-- netgear switch,
> port 15 ]  10.0.0.101 SRVR[-- netgear switch, port 14 ]  10.0.0.120 NVR[--
> netgear switch, port 13 ]  10.0.0.122 IP Camera[-- netgear switch, port 10
> ]  10.0.0.124 IP Camera[-- netgear switch, port 12 ]  10.0.0.126 IP
> Camera[-- netgear switch, port 12 ]  10.0.0.126 IP Camerai dont have a way
> to show the network as an image/ diagram as if i post with an included png
> or jpg, the post is dropped.wall broadband connection goes to ATT rtr.att
> rtr connects to the NH rtrNH rtr connects to switch*


if this isn't helpful, how might i improve it?

>
>
> Instead of all this random noise, can you please make a diagram of your
> devices, their ports and which IP is where.  Your questions and
> descriptions are mostly incomprehensible.  You had an almost useful
> diagram a couple of days ago, but with no IP addresses.
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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

thx, i was about to ask for recommendations, i'll read this and see what
coherence i can bring to this site

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 4:30 PM Go Canes  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:11 PM Jack Craig 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 7:22 AM Go Canes 
> wrote:
> >> I've been reluctant to contribute as well, due to not really
> >> understanding the setup.  But given the Cable Modem was replaced, I've
> >> been wondering if this is as simple as the prior modem being in
> >> "bridge mode" - i.e. passing all traffic without usingg NAT or routing
> >
> >
> > i had thought of using the firewalls of both the ATT rtr & NH firewalls
> passing through
> > http & https. also i thought bridge mode wsa a security risk???
>
> *Anything* exposed to the internet suffers the security risk
> (including your web server).  If the NH (Nighthawk, I am assuming) is
> running in "firewall" mode, putting the Cable Modem in bridge mode
> moves the risk from the Cable Modem to the Nighthawk.  IMHO, *you*
> control the updates to the Nighthawk, so you can make sure it is
> up-to-date.  Your ISP may or may not keep the Cable Modem up-to-date.
>
> Since you have two firewall/NAT routers (if I have understood things
> correctly), you might consider connecting all the Internet exposed
> systems to the Cable Modem (assuming it has multiple ports), and put
> your private systems behind the Nighthawk.
>
> Crude diagram of what I am suggesting that may or may not survive
> formatting.:
>
> ISP - Cable Modem -| - Web Server
>   | - something else that needs to be
> publicly accessible
>   | - Nighthawk -|- laptop
>  | - desktop
>
> (and I have no idea if this fits in with how your ISP has your IP
> subnet configured - I am starting with a clean slate.)
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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 11:40 PM Jack Craig 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 11:06 PM Ed Greshko 
> wrote:
>
>> On 27/03/2022 13:57, Jack Craig wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 10:20 PM Ed Greshko 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 27/03/2022 12:19, Jack Craig wrote:
>> > > after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, att did send a tech and
>> for general internet access its fine.
>> > > just not working with my configuration...
>> > >
>> > > at the moment, trying to find a static route option for att rtr.
>> > >
>> > > static routes on the internal router wont help, right??
>> >
>> > I guess I don't really understand what HW and Physical
>> Configuration.
>> >
>> > You have a DSL router.  The router has 4 Ethernet ports.  In your
>> configuration, what are these ports connected to?
>> >
>> >
>> > ok, ...
>> >
>> > (internet)---lan connect---> nighthawk>--lan connect-[netgear switch]--
>> >
>> > make sense?
>> >
>>
>> Is your srvr configured manually?  Meaning, a static IP?
>>
>> If so, try connecting the bgw210700 directly to the srvr.  Then try
>> accessing sites from the server.
>>
>
> but srvr is on 10.0.0.101, att rtr is between 192.168.1.254 and
> 108.90.204.76.
>
> still make sense??
>

192.168.1.254 is att rtr (i can'see',but not touch 108.90.204.0)
att rtr is dhcp 192.168.63-192.168.1.200)

10.0.0.1 is the NH using port mapping to map 108.220.213.121 <-->
10.0.0.101

is my configuration goal an unreasonable one?

>
>
>>
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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 7:22 AM Go Canes  wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 12:18 AM Ed Greshko 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 28/03/2022 11:33, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > Is it really just me?  I see various people responding.  Do you
> actually understand what his setup is?  It doesn't make any sense at all to
> me.
> >
> > It is not only you.  I haven't grasped the setup either.
> >
> > However, I would note that everything was working for him the way he
> wanted until his Broadband supplier
> > replaced the Cable Modem.
>
> I've been reluctant to contribute as well, due to not really
> understanding the setup.  But given the Cable Modem was replaced, I've
> been wondering if this is as simple as the prior modem being in
> "bridge mode" - i.e. passing all traffic without usingg NAT or routing
>

i had thought of using the firewalls of both the ATT rtr & NH firewalls
passing through
http & https. also i thought bridge mode wsa a security risk???


> - and the new modem needs to be reconfigured?
>

att came on site and reconfigured the bgw210700 to its setup
as I bought the static ip & isp service,
i expect they have it properly set, But!
as you see i am over my head...

last year this time,   i had a pace 5238ac in the at rtr role.
as the result of a mid february sserive upgrade/rtr replacement.

i needed more wifi service so i bought the nighthawk thinking to cascade
the NH behind(required)
arris bgw210700. in last years config, i had all traffic routed through the
ATT and did port mapping from the internet
from static ip external to internal network(10.0.0.0) on the NH.

10.0.0.0 was not shared with the public subnet and it all just worked.

tracing ip's & networks, i get...

108.90.204.1   isp GW
108.90.204.76 isp ATT rtr (WAN side)

192.168.1.254 ATT rtr access (LAN side)

10.0.0.1   NH  GW   (NH LAN )

10.0.0.101  (aka 108.220.213.121)  WS srvr.

is this an unreasonable configuration given my goal?

it was also asked what networks i used to transition public subnet to
private subnet as, ...

192.168.1.0 to 10.0.0.0


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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 2:41 AM Tim via users 
wrote:

> Tim:
> >> Your ISP may be ignoring pings, many other services in between, and
> >> even your own router.
>
> Jack Craig:
> > but why can  i traceroute up to my side of the me<-->isp lan
> > segment??
>
> Because some of the equipment responds, others don't.  If you look back
> at your first posting (repasted below), you'll see there's some in the
> middle that don't respond, either.  They don't stop the connection
> going through past them, they just don't respond to pings.
>
>   1<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms  Linksys35675 [192.168.1.1]
>   2 9 ms 8 ms17 ms  142-254-236-209.inf.spectrum.com
> [142.254.236.209]
>   312 ms10 ms11 ms  lag-63.tjngcaac01h.netops.charter.com
> [24.30.172.49]
>   414 ms13 ms13 ms  lag-29.lsaicaev01r.netops.charter.com
> [72.129.18.240]
>   512 ms14 ms11 ms  lag-26.lsancarc01r.netops.charter.com
> [72.129.17.0]
>   619 ms13 ms14 ms
> lag-16.lsancarc0yw-bcr00.netops.charter.com [66.109.6.102]
>   725 ms37 ms42 ms  lag-3.pr2.lax10.netops.charter.com
> [107.14.19.41]
>   817 ms17 ms17 ms  192.205.32.253
>   922 ms21 ms21 ms  cr1.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.128.102]
>  1024 ms25 ms25 ms  12.122.158.41
>  11 *** Request timed out.
>  12 *** Request timed out.
>  1323 ms21 ms23 ms  99.134.39.15
>  1425 ms24 ms26 ms  99.161.44.79
>  1544 ms43 ms43 ms
> 108-90-204-76.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net [108.90.204.76]
>  16 *** Request timed out.
>  17 *** Request timed out.
>  18 *** Request timed out.
>  19
>
>
>
> > the att rtr knows of the public ip, why doesnt it get used? the
> > mystery so far.
>
> When it comes to things close to you, working backwards, inside your
> LAN you have your own private IPs.  Your router will have its inside IP
> and an outside IP given to it by your ISP (those you can easily find
> out).  What your router first connects to at your ISP may have your-
> side and their-side IPs.  There will be routes going through the
> internals of the ISP through to their supplier.  And then there's all
> the interconnects to more of the web.
>
> For pings, and more to the point, HTTP traffic to your webserver, they
> have to get through all of that.  I think you're just going to have to
> talk to your ISP about why HTTP traffic doesn't get through.
>
> Though do look through your router's settings again.  There may be
> firewall or privacy options that block things.  And you would need to
> set up forwarding/routing rules go pass HTTP through it to your
> webserver.  Some routers have a DMZ zone feature (demilitarised zone),
> where all traffic you haven't specifically set a rule up for can be
> forwarded through to a specific LAN IP, or to a ethernet specific
> socket on the router.  Beware, though, it's unfiltered and unprotected
> by any firewall.  All the gumph on the internet trying to connect to
> you will be allowed through it.
>
>
>
> * the test to change the server ip partially works; that is the srvr can
> see the world, but my access to the rest of my internal 10.0.0.0 is not
> accessible.*

*if i ad the 10.0.0./24 <http://10.0.0./24> route to the routing for
108.220.213.121 could i not then get to internal and external networks??*




*default via 10.0.0.1 dev eno1 proto static metric 100 10.0.0.0/24
<http://10.0.0.0/24> dev eno1 proto kernel scope link src 10.0.0.101 metric
100 192.168.122.0/24 <http://192.168.122.0/24> dev virbr0 proto kernel
scope link src 192.168.122.1 linkdown *



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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 12:12 AM Jack Craig 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 12:06 AM Ed Greshko 
> wrote:
>
>> On 27/03/2022 15:04, Jack Craig wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 11:53 PM Ed Greshko 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 27/03/2022 14:40, Jack Craig wrote:
>> > > but srvr is on 10.0.0.101, att rtr is between 192.168.1.254 and
>> 108.90.204.76.
>> > >
>> > > still make sense??
>> >
>> > I see
>> >
>> > To test, I want you to make the server a static ip address of
>> 108.220.213.121 and then connect it to the
>> > BGW210-700.
>>
>
what routing/gateway should the srvr use for this test??


> >
>> > It seems the BGW210-700 may not be as capable as the pace 5238ac
>> was.
>> >
>> >
>> > ok, first thing in the morning. I screw everything up that I do after
>> midnight!  :(
>> >
>>
>> The other idea is to connect a device via WiFi and see what IP address
>> gets assigned to it.
>>
>
> well, the 2.4 on the att rtr is dhcp'ing 192.168.1.63 to 192.168.1.253
>
> the netgear is dhcp'in 10.0.0.20 - 10.0.0.99
>
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Re: network mystery!!??

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On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 12:06 AM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 27/03/2022 15:04, Jack Craig wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 11:53 PM Ed Greshko 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 27/03/2022 14:40, Jack Craig wrote:
> > > but srvr is on 10.0.0.101, att rtr is between 192.168.1.254 and
> 108.90.204.76.
> > >
> > > still make sense??
> >
> > I see
> >
> > To test, I want you to make the server a static ip address of
> 108.220.213.121 and then connect it to the
> > BGW210-700.
> >
> > It seems the BGW210-700 may not be as capable as the pace 5238ac was.
> >
> >
> > ok, first thing in the morning. I screw everything up that I do after
> midnight!  :(
> >
>
> The other idea is to connect a device via WiFi and see what IP address
> gets assigned to it.
>

well, the 2.4 on the att rtr is dhcp'ing 192.168.1.63 to 192.168.1.253

the netgear is dhcp'in 10.0.0.20 - 10.0.0.99

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Re: network mystery!!??

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On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 11:53 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 27/03/2022 14:40, Jack Craig wrote:
> > but srvr is on 10.0.0.101, att rtr is between 192.168.1.254 and
> 108.90.204.76.
> >
> > still make sense??
>
> I see
>
> To test, I want you to make the server a static ip address of
> 108.220.213.121 and then connect it to the
> BGW210-700.
>
> It seems the BGW210-700 may not be as capable as the pace 5238ac was.
>

ok, first thing in the morning. I screw everything up that I do after
midnight!  :(


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Re: network mystery!!??

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On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 11:06 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 27/03/2022 13:57, Jack Craig wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 10:20 PM Ed Greshko 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 27/03/2022 12:19, Jack Craig wrote:
> > > after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, att did send a tech and
> for general internet access its fine.
> > > just not working with my configuration...
> > >
> > > at the moment, trying to find a static route option for att rtr.
> > >
> > > static routes on the internal router wont help, right??
> >
> > I guess I don't really understand what HW and Physical Configuration.
> >
> > You have a DSL router.  The router has 4 Ethernet ports.  In your
> configuration, what are these ports connected to?
> >
> >
> > ok, ...
> >
> > (internet)---lan connect--- nighthawk>--lan connect-[netgear switch]--
> >
> > make sense?
> >
>
> Is your srvr configured manually?  Meaning, a static IP?
>
> If so, try connecting the bgw210700 directly to the srvr.  Then try
> accessing sites from the server.
>

but srvr is on 10.0.0.101, att rtr is between 192.168.1.254 and
108.90.204.76.

still make sense??


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Re: network mystery!!??

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On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 11:14 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 3/26/22 22:57, Jack Craig wrote:
> > (internet)---lan connect--- > nighthawk>--lan connect-[netgear switch]--
>
> Now we're getting somewhere.  Can you also assign the following IP
> addresses from your original email into that diagram?
>
> 10.0.0.101ws.linuxlighthouse.com (internal IP) 2 packets
> transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1033ms
> 10.0.0.1   Blackhole-NH
> 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1018ms
> 192.168.1.254 Blackhole-ATT2
> packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> 108.90.204.76 att subnet (local router)2 packets
> transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1002ms
> 108.90.204.1att subnet (remote GW)   2 packets
> transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> 108.220.213.121   ws.linuxlighthouse.com (public IP) 2 packets
> transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> 108.220.213.126   linuxlighthouse (public GW)  2 packets
> transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
>
> You wrote:
>
>  > i have a static ip from att in the range
> 108.220.213.0/255.255.255.248, 108.220.213.121 is the external ip for
> the server.
>
> But you list two IP addresses from that subnet.  Did they actually give
> you two addresses?  I can ping the .126 one, but not the .121 one.


.121 was supposed to be exported ip, the 126 they said was gateway...

block of 8, 5 usable...





> 1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group
> default qlen 1000
> link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
> inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> inet6 ::1/128 scope host
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *2: eno1:  mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state
> UP group default qlen 1000link/ether 50:65:f3:4a:ec:e5 brd
> ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ffaltname enp0s31f6inet 10.0.0.101/24
> <http://10.0.0.101/24> brd 10.0.0.255 scope global noprefixroute eno1
>  valid_lft forever preferred_lft foreverinet6
> fe80::2f5c:874d:5113:3d37/64 scope link noprefixroutevalid_lft
> forever preferred_lft forever*
> 3: virbr0:  mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue
> state DOWN group default qlen 1000
> link/ether 52:54:00:06:e4:2a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> inet 192.168.122.1/24 brd 192.168.122.255 scope global virbr0
>valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>

current srv config, static,



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Re: network mystery!!??

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On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 10:20 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 27/03/2022 12:19, Jack Craig wrote:
> > after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, att did send a tech and for
> general internet access its fine.
> > just not working with my configuration...
> >
> > at the moment, trying to find a static route option for att rtr.
> >
> > static routes on the internal router wont help, right??
>
> I guess I don't really understand what HW and Physical Configuration.
>
> You have a DSL router.  The router has 4 Ethernet ports.  In your
> configuration, what are these ports connected to?
>

ok, ...

(internet)---lan connect-lan connect-[netgear switch]--

make sense?


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Re: network mystery!!??

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On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 8:00 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 27/03/2022 02:42, Jack Craig wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 1:57 AM Ed Greshko 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 26/03/2022 16:33, Peter Boy wrote:
> > >
> > >> Am 26.03.2022 um 08:55 schrieb Ed Greshko  >:
> > >>
> > >> ws.linuxlighthouse.com <http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com> has
> address 108.220.213.121
> > >>
> > >> Now try connecting to http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com/
> > > Not surprisingly, the server is unavailable. After all, this is
> the OP's network mystery.
> > >
> > > Question is, can the OP log in to the server anyway? That would be
> a good start to get the mystery resolved.
> >
> > Yes, that is a qood question.  Can the server be accessed on the
> internal network.
> >
> > Also, I wonder if the OP has rebooted the network equipment.
> >
> >
> > rebooted yes
>
> I suggest you call AT support as they supplied the replacement equipment
> and it should have been configured to
> pass  108.220.213.X traffic.  That appears to be nott the case.
>
> FWIW, It seems the Fedora mailing list was "stuck".  All the mail just
> flooded in on Sunday late morning my time.
>
> after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, att did send a tech and for
general internet access its fine.
just not working with my configuration...

at the moment, trying to find a static route option for att rtr.

static routes on the internal router wont help, right??

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Re: network mystery!!??

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On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 9:08 PM Tim via users 
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> On Sat, 2022-03-26 at 11:22 -0700, Jack Craig wrote:
> > i had a remote friend try  traceroute to 108.220.213.121 to show the
> > trace stopping at 108.90.204.76.
> >
> > i dont know why it stops short of my server???
>
> Things only respond to pings if allowed to.  Thanks to continual
> hacking attempts, many admins turn off features they don't need, or
> feel that someone else may exploit.
>
> Pings (as things like traceroute generally use) only prove that
> something responds to pings, they don't prove whether HTTP access to a
> webserver works or not.  Likewise for any other service running.
>
> Your ISP may be ignoring pings, many other services in between, and
> even your own router.
>

but why can  i traceroute up to my side of the me<-->isp lan segment??

the att rtr knows of the public ip, why doesnt it get used? the mystery so
far.

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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 5:27 PM Richard <
inbound-lists-fed...@listmail.innovate.net> wrote:

>
>
> > Date: Saturday, March 26, 2022 11:42:57 -0700
> > From: Jack Craig 
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 1:57 AM Ed Greshko 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 26/03/2022 16:33, Peter Boy wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Am 26.03.2022 um 08:55 schrieb Ed Greshko
> >> >> :
> >> >>
> >> >> ws.linuxlighthouse.com has address 108.220.213.121
> >> >>
> >> >> Now try connecting to http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com/
> >> > Not surprisingly, the server is unavailable. After all, this is
> >> > the OP's
> >> network mystery.
> >> >
> >> > Question is, can the OP log in to the server anyway? That would
> >> > be a
> >> good start to get the mystery resolved.
> >>
> >> Yes, that is a qood question.  Can the server be accessed on the
> >> internal network.
> >>
> >> Also, I wonder if the OP has rebooted the network equipment.
> >>
> >
> > rebooted yes
> >
>
> I assume you had address mapping (external to internal) and
> port-forwarding set up on the old router? Are they set up on the new
> router too?
>

port forwarding is enabled on my 3rd party router, not the att rtr, as it
was before


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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 1:57 AM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 26/03/2022 16:33, Peter Boy wrote:
> >
> >> Am 26.03.2022 um 08:55 schrieb Ed Greshko :
> >>
> >> ws.linuxlighthouse.com has address 108.220.213.121
> >>
> >> Now try connecting to http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com/
> > Not surprisingly, the server is unavailable. After all, this is the OP's
> network mystery.
> >
> > Question is, can the OP log in to the server anyway? That would be a
> good start to get the mystery resolved.
>
> Yes, that is a qood question.  Can the server be accessed on the internal
> network.
>
> Also, I wonder if the OP has rebooted the network equipment.
>

rebooted yes


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Re: network mystery!!??

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On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 1:34 AM Peter Boy  wrote:

>
>
> > Am 26.03.2022 um 08:55 schrieb Ed Greshko :
> >
> > ws.linuxlighthouse.com has address 108.220.213.121
> >
> > Now try connecting to http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com/
>
> Not surprisingly, the server is unavailable. After all, this is the OP's
> network mystery.
>
> Question is, can the OP log in to the server anyway? That would be a good
> start to get the mystery resolved.
>

yes, all local access work. dropping the firewall doesnt make a difference
either.


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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 12:56 AM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 26/03/2022 14:24, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > So what you see below is normal. Don't sweat it. Here's an example from
> > where I'm sitting to a host on a TPG network:
> >
>
> Maybe he should be "sweating it".  He has a web server with a public IP
> address.
>
> [egreshko@meimei ~]$ host ws.linuxlighthouse.com
> ws.linuxlighthouse.com has address 108.220.213.121
>
> Now try connecting to http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com/


i have had http & https working for my local access, but its remote access
of the same that i am having issues ith...

also, i have domains, linuxlighthouse.com , www.linuxlighthouse.com &
ws.linuxlighthouse.com

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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 11:25 PM Cameron Simpson  wrote:

> I normally don't top post, but there nothing I can meaningfully trim
> from your excellent detailed description. So I'm leaving it below.
>
> To your traceroute, route tracing (IIRC) depends on setting a max hop
> count on the outbound packets. When the hop count is exceeded, you get
> back an ICMP error packet indicating that the count was exceeded from
> the router which decremented the counter to 0.
>
> So to trace a route you send a packet with a max hop count of 1, and get
> a packet back from your router, and that tells you the router IP. Then
> you send one with a max hop count of 2 and get an error packet back from
> the next router upstream, telling you its IP address. And so on.
>
> Plenty of network routers do not respond to pings and do not return
> these error packets - they just drop the packet on the floor. These just
> show up as gaps in the traceroute, because traceroute does not receive
> the ICMP response from the routers at that hop count.
>
> So what you see below is normal. Don't sweat it. Here's an example from
> where I'm sitting to a host on a TPG network:
>
> traceroute to  (14.203.40.46), 64 hops max, 52 byte
> packets
>  1  cskk-3g (10.0.0.138)  2.220 ms  1.824 ms  1.716 ms
>  2  * * *
>  3  10.4.37.50 (10.4.37.50)  31.144 ms  26.018 ms  55.897 ms
>  4  10.5.86.65 (10.5.86.65)  33.860 ms  34.792 ms  36.855 ms
>  5  10.5.86.72 (10.5.86.72)  49.968 ms  41.517 ms  30.999 ms
>  6  203.50.63.96 (203.50.63.96)  35.888 ms  34.900 ms  26.032 ms
>  7  bundle-ether26.chw-core10.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.61.96)
> 27.825
> ms  31.547 ms  31.129 ms
>  8  bundle-ether1.chw-edge903.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.11.177)
> 28.825
> ms  32.709 ms  35.956 ms
>  9  aap3461251.lnk.telstra.net (110.145.180.218)  30.886 ms  25.857
> ms
> 29.599 ms
> 10  syd-sot-ken-wgw1-be-30.tpgi.com.au (203.219.107.193)  29.719 ms
> 28.821 ms  28.611 ms
> 11  203-221-3-109.tpgi.com.au (203.221.3.109)  33.221 ms  31.921 ms
> 203-221-3-45.tpgi.com.au (203.221.3.45)  40.022 ms
> 12  * * *
> 13  * * *
> 14  * * *
> 15  * * *
>
> Cheers,
> Cameron Simpson 
>
> On 25Mar2022 19:29, Jack Craig  wrote:
> >i have a networking mystery ; i hope someone might give me a clue.
> >
> >i am working to restore a web server to internet access that is failing
> >after att update
> >the att older modem (pace 5238ac) with arris BGW210-700.
> >
> >i have a static ip from att in the range 108.220.213.0/255.255.255.248,
> >108.220.213.121 is the external ip for the server.
> >
> >the bgw210-700 is the primary router/modem and is connected to a 3rd party
> >router, netgear nighthawk,
> >
> >the internal 10.0.0.0/  connects to the netgear nighthawk
> >
> >ATT's broadband configuration is
> >
> > Blackhole-ATT (wireless name)
> >
> >   Broadband connection source  DSL
> >   Broadband connection up
> >   Broadband network type   lightspeed
> >   Broadband ipv4 address   108.90.204.76
> >   Broadband gateway address108.90.204.1
> >
> >outbound packets from the server (WS), are routed from the 10.0.0.1
> >nighthawk to the ATT router to the internet.
> >
> >the 108.90.204.0 network routing from the att router to the att's gateway.
> >.76 is the router, .1 is the GW.
> >
> >sample route, ...
> >
> >10.0.0.101ws.linuxlighthouse.com (internal IP) 2 packets
> >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1033ms
> >10.0.0.1   Blackhole-NH 2
> >packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1018ms
> >192.168.1.254 Blackhole-ATT2
> >packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> >108.90.204.76 att subnet (local router)2 packets
> >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1002ms
> >108.90.204.1att subnet (remote GW)   2 packets
> >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> >108.220.213.121   ws.linuxlighthouse.com (public IP) 2 packets
> transmitted,
> >2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> >108.220.213.126   linuxlighthouse (public GW)  2 packets
> >transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> >
> >now the  mystery. where 108.220.213.121 is a publicly visible ip for the
> >server, a remote traceroute is wonky!!
> >
> >consider the below traceroute, it reports hops up to 108.90.204.76,

Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 8:25 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 26/03/2022 10:29, Jack Craig wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > i have a networking mystery ; i hope someone might give me a clue.
> >
> > i am working to restore a web server to internet access that is failing
> after att update
> > the att older modem (pace 5238ac) with arris BGW210-700.
> >
> > i have a static ip from att in the range 108.220.213.0/255.255.255.248 <
> http://108.220.213.0/255.255.255.248>, 108.220.213.121 is the external ip
> for the server.
> >
> > the bgw210-700 is the primary router/modem and is connected to a 3rd
> party router, netgear nighthawk,
> >
> > the internal 10.0.0.0/ <http://10.0.0.0/>  connects to the netgear
> nighthawk
> >
> > ATT's broadband configuration is
> >
> >  Blackhole-ATT (wireless name)
> >
> >Broadband connection source  DSL
> >Broadband connection up
> >Broadband network type   lightspeed
> >Broadband ipv4 address   108.90.204.76
> >Broadband gateway address108.90.204.1
> >
> >
> > outbound packets from the server (WS), are routed from the 10.0.0.1
> nighthawk to the ATT router to the internet.
> >
> > the 108.90.204.0 network routing from the att router to the att's
> gateway. .76 is the router, .1 is the GW.
> >
> > sample route, ...
> >
> > 10.0.0.101 ws.linuxlighthouse.com <http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com>
> (internal IP) 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1033ms
> > 10.0.0.1   Blackhole-NH   2 packets
> transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1018ms
> > 192.168.1.254 Blackhole-ATT  2 packets transmitted,
> 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> > 108.90.204.76 att subnet (local router)  2 packets
> transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1002ms
> > 108.90.204.1att subnet (remote GW)   2 packets
> transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> > 108.220.213.121 ws.linuxlighthouse.com <http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com>
> (public IP) 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> > 108.220.213.126   linuxlighthouse (public GW)  2 packets
> transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> >
> Sounds like 108.90.204.76 is missing routes. I'm assuming that
> 108.220.213.121 previously answered pings
> and originally was the final destination of an external traceroute.
>

i was not seeing a way to add att rtr to have new  routes.

>
> [egreshko@meimei ~]$ traceroute 108.220.213.121
> traceroute to 108.220.213.121 (108.220.213.121), 30 hops max, 60 byte
> packets
>   1  _gateway (192.168.1.1)  0.434 ms  0.728 ms  0.681 ms
>   2  * * *
>   3  tpdt-3308.hinet.net (168.95.82.198)  23.574 ms  23.530 ms 23.451 ms
>   4  tpdb-3031.hinet.net (220.128.1.102)  7.827 ms
> 220-128-1-50.hinet-ip.hinet.net (220.128.1.50)  7.210 ms
> tpdt-3032.hinet.net (220.128.27.94)  7.386 ms
>   5  r4102-s2.tp.hinet.net (220.128.7.69)  7.123 ms r4102-s2.tp.hinet.net
> (220.128.14.93)  7.296 ms r4102-s2.tp.hinet.net (220.128.13.93)  7.252 ms
>   6  r4002-s2.tp.hinet.net (220.128.6.85)  7.538 ms r4002-s2.tp.hinet.net
> (220.128.6.81)  6.710 ms  6.656 ms
>   7  pa-r32.us.hinet.net (202.39.91.29)  133.962 ms  132.083 ms 132.075 ms
>   8  32.141.85.13 (32.141.85.13)  133.458 ms  133.358 ms  133.297 ms
>   9  12.123.242.38 (12.123.242.38)  138.066 ms  137.303 ms  139.959 ms
> 10  12.122.149.225 (12.122.149.225)  143.022 ms  137.567 ms  137.573 ms
> 11  12.122.158.25 (12.122.158.25)  138.446 ms  137.435 ms  138.346 ms
> 12  * * *
> 13  99.134.39.24 (99.134.39.24)  136.686 ms  136.506 ms *
> 14  99.134.39.11 (99.134.39.11)  136.191 ms  136.211 ms  136.066 ms
> 15  99.161.44.77 (99.161.44.77)  137.461 ms  137.438 ms  138.025 ms
> 16  108-90-204-76.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net (108.90.204.76) 157.627
> ms  157.580 ms  157.980 ms
> 17  * * *
> 18  * * *
> 19  * * *
> 20  * * *
> 21  * * *
> 22  * * *
> 23  * * *
> 24  * * *
> 25  * * *
> 26  * * *
> 27  * * *
> 28  * * *
> 29  * * *
> 30  * * *
>
> Remember if a server that should be visible externally, but isn't. Then
> outbound requests/replies will also fail.
>
my server is pingable at 10.0.0.101 & 108.220.213.121.

this with & without firewalld

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Re: network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 8:16 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 3/25/22 19:29, Jack Craig wrote:
> > i have a networking mystery ; i hope someone might give me a clue.
> >
> > sample route, ...
> >
> > 10.0.0.101 ws.linuxlighthouse.com <http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com>
> > (internal IP) 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time
> 1033ms
> > 10.0.0.1   Blackhole-NH
> > 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1018ms
> > 192.168.1.254 Blackhole-ATT2
> > packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> > 108.90.204.76 att subnet (local router)2 packets
> > transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1002ms
> > 108.90.204.1att subnet (remote GW)   2 packets
> > transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> > 108.220.213.121 ws.linuxlighthouse.com <http://ws.linuxlighthouse.com>
> > (public IP) 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time
> 1001ms
> > 108.220.213.126   linuxlighthouse (public GW)  2 packets
> > transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
> >
> > now the  mystery. where 108.220.213.121 is a publicly visible ip for the
> > server, a remote traceroute is wonky!!
> >
> > consider the below traceroute, it reports hops up to 108.90.204.76,
> > stopping there instead of doing one more hop
> >
> >
> >1<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms  Linksys35675 [192.168.1.1]
> >2 9 ms 8 ms17 ms 142-254-236-209.inf.spectrum.com
> > <http://142-254-236-209.inf.spectrum.com> [142.254.236.209]
> >312 ms10 ms11 ms lag-63.tjngcaac01h.netops.charter.com
> [snip]
> >   1544 ms43 ms43 ms
> > 108-90-204-76.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net
> > <http://108-90-204-76.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net> [108.90.204.76]
> >   16 *** Request timed out.
> >   17 *** Request timed out.
> >   18 *** Request timed out.
> >   19
> >
> > could anyone shed some light on this mystery??
>
> Your question and description are very confusing.  Can you try again
> with the details more organized?
> What are you trying to traceroute to at the end?  The route in the
> traceroute doesn't match the "route" from earlier.  I don't understand
> what you think should be after that last hop.
> ISPs don't always let traceroute requests go through depending on which
> method you're using.
>

i had a remote friend try  traceroute to 108.220.213.121 to show the trace
stopping at 108.90.204.76.

i dont know why it stops short of my server???

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network mystery!!??

[Jack Craig]

i have a networking mystery ; i hope someone might give me a clue.

i am working to restore a web server to internet access that is failing
after att update
the att older modem (pace 5238ac) with arris BGW210-700.

i have a static ip from att in the range 108.220.213.0/255.255.255.248,
108.220.213.121 is the external ip for the server.

the bgw210-700 is the primary router/modem and is connected to a 3rd party
router, netgear nighthawk,

the internal 10.0.0.0/  connects to the netgear nighthawk

ATT's broadband configuration is

 Blackhole-ATT (wireless name)

   Broadband connection source  DSL
   Broadband connection up
   Broadband network type   lightspeed
   Broadband ipv4 address   108.90.204.76
   Broadband gateway address108.90.204.1


outbound packets from the server (WS), are routed from the 10.0.0.1
nighthawk to the ATT router to the internet.

the 108.90.204.0 network routing from the att router to the att's gateway.
.76 is the router, .1 is the GW.

sample route, ...

10.0.0.101ws.linuxlighthouse.com (internal IP) 2 packets
transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1033ms
10.0.0.1   Blackhole-NH 2
packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1018ms
192.168.1.254 Blackhole-ATT2
packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
108.90.204.76 att subnet (local router)2 packets
transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1002ms
108.90.204.1att subnet (remote GW)   2 packets
transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
108.220.213.121   ws.linuxlighthouse.com (public IP) 2 packets transmitted,
2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms
108.220.213.126   linuxlighthouse (public GW)  2 packets
transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms

now the  mystery. where 108.220.213.121 is a publicly visible ip for the
server, a remote traceroute is wonky!!

consider the below traceroute, it reports hops up to 108.90.204.76,
stopping there instead of doing one more hop


  1<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms  Linksys35675 [192.168.1.1]
  2 9 ms 8 ms17 ms  142-254-236-209.inf.spectrum.com
[142.254.236.209]
  312 ms10 ms11 ms  lag-63.tjngcaac01h.netops.charter.com
[24.30.172.49]
  414 ms13 ms13 ms  lag-29.lsaicaev01r.netops.charter.com
[72.129.18.240]
  512 ms14 ms11 ms  lag-26.lsancarc01r.netops.charter.com
[72.129.17.0]
  619 ms13 ms14 ms  lag-16.lsancarc0yw-bcr00.netops.charter.com
[66.109.6.102]
  725 ms37 ms42 ms  lag-3.pr2.lax10.netops.charter.com
[107.14.19.41]
  817 ms17 ms17 ms  192.205.32.253
  922 ms21 ms21 ms  cr1.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.128.102]
 1024 ms25 ms25 ms  12.122.158.41
 11 *** Request timed out.
 12 *** Request timed out.
 1323 ms21 ms23 ms  99.134.39.15
 1425 ms24 ms26 ms  99.161.44.79
 1544 ms43 ms43 ms
108-90-204-76.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net [108.90.204.76]
 16 *** Request timed out.
 17 *** Request timed out.
 18 *** Request timed out.
 19


could anyone shed some light on this mystery??

tia,jackc...
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Re: how to log machine activity

[Jack Craig]

i am seeing this too, but no cron use in play,...

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 1:46 AM Eyal Lebedinsky 
wrote:

> I am chasing a problem where I notice audio hiccups at regular intervals.
> It may be cron but I cannot see how.
>
> I want to log start/end of every executable. I will do this for only a few
> minutes at a time.
> I may want, later, to log all access to one fs to see if it matches what I
> hear.
>
> I am on f34, x86_64, up to date. Surely there is a standard tool to do
> this (I hope)?
>
> TIA
>
> --
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help cascading routers F34

[Jack Craig]

for the last several yrs, i've used att's pace 5238ac cascaded to my
nighthawk R8000.

pace wifi off, all wifi from nighthawk.

recently got a bandwidth update (internet-24 to internet-50)
and att swapped the pace for arris bgw210-700

now i cant get the cascaded setup to work.

i've been googling all week w/no joy...

any wisdom out there??
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anyone using namebench for fast dns

[Jack Craig]

if there is a better fast dns lookup, i'd be interested to learn f it.

thx, jackc...
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Re: target - enable httpds

[Jack Craig]

in addition, ...

ssl_error_log:[Fri Oct 29 22:30:01.821030 2021] [ssl:info] [pid 15783:tid
15859] [client 209.141.62.185:49422] AH01996: SSL handshake failed: HTTP
spoken on HTTPS port; trying to send HTML error page
ssl_error_log:[Fri Oct 29 22:30:01.821070 2021] [ssl:info] [pid 15783:tid
15859] SSL Library Error: error:1408F09C:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:http
request

also, ...

Oct 29 12:48:16 ws.linuxlighthouse.com systemd[1]: Starting The Apache HTTP
Server...
Oct 29 12:48:16 ws.linuxlighthouse.com httpd[15779]: [Fri Oct 29
12:48:16.987469 2021] [core:trace3] [pid 15779:tid 15779] core.c(3496):
Setting LogLevel for all modules to trace6
Oct 29 12:48:17 ws.linuxlighthouse.com httpd[15779]: *Server configured,
listening on: port 443, port 80*
Oct 29 12:48:17 ws.linuxlighthouse.com systemd[1]: Started The Apache HTTP
Server.
[root@ws httpd]$

 [root@ws httpd]$  netstat -tunlp | grep http


*tcp6   0  0 :::80   :::*LISTEN
 15779/httpd tcp6   0  0 :::443  :::*
 LISTEN  15779/httpd*


*i see ipv6 listening on 443, but not ipv4 80, ??*

*isnt that wrong too??*

*tia,...*



On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 11:15 PM Jack Craig 
wrote:

> weird, i've been busy all day, but it is working now!! ??
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 9:32 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>
>> On 10/29/21 13:30, Jack Craig wrote:
>> >
>> > i am working to make letsencrypt .pem files work on my F34 workstation.
>> > so far, i try firefox browser, and, ...
>> >
>> [snip ssl logging]
>> >
>> > F34 install, add letsencrypt , and i am https ready.
>> >
>> > problem, i am not getting text secure link and not seeing a lot of
>> options>
>>
>> Can you provide more information about what you think isn't working?  I
>> checked your site and there are no ssl errors.  Firefox says it's secure
>> for all 3 domains.  The letsencrypt certificate is valid.
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Re: target - enable httpds

[Jack Craig]

weird, i've been busy all day, but it is working now!! ??

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 9:32 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 10/29/21 13:30, Jack Craig wrote:
> >
> > i am working to make letsencrypt .pem files work on my F34 workstation.
> > so far, i try firefox browser, and, ...
> >
> [snip ssl logging]
> >
> > F34 install, add letsencrypt , and i am https ready.
> >
> > problem, i am not getting text secure link and not seeing a lot of
> options>
>
> Can you provide more information about what you think isn't working?  I
> checked your site and there are no ssl errors.  Firefox says it's secure
> for all 3 domains.  The letsencrypt certificate is valid.
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Re: target - enable httpds

[Jack Craig]

1) i cant get the secure icon on the address bar.

2) log stuff like, ..

Fri Oct 29 22:08:41.035843 2021] [ssl:trace3] [pid 15784:tid 15900]
ssl_engine_kernel.c(2242): [client 64.41.200.111:40862] OpenSSL: Exit:
error in error




*ssl_error_log:[Fri Oct 29 22:08:41.035862 2021] [ssl:info] [pid 15784:tid
15900] [client 64.41.200.111:40862 <http://64.41.200.111:40862>] AH02008:
SSL library error 1 in handshake (server www.linuxlighthouse.com:443
<http://www.linuxlighthouse.com:443>)ssl_error_log:[Fri Oct 29
22:08:41.035903 2021] [ssl:info] [pid 15784:tid 15900] SSL Library Error:
error:14209102:SSL routines:tls_early_post_process_client_hello:unsupported
protocolssl_error_log:[Fri Oct 29 22:08:41.153272 2021] [ssl:trace3] [pid
16246:tid 16283] ssl_engine_kernel.c(2223): [client 64.41.200.111:40896
<http://64.41.200.111:40896>] OpenSSL: Write: errorssl_error_log:[Fri Oct
29 22:08:41.153288 2021] [ssl:trace3] [pid 16246:tid 16283]
ssl_engine_kernel.c(2242): [client 64.41.200.111:40896
<http://64.41.200.111:40896>] OpenSSL: Exit: error in
errorssl_error_log:[Fri Oct 29 22:08:41.153306 2021] [ssl:info] [pid
16246:tid 16283] [client 64.41.200.111:40896 <http://64.41.200.111:40896>]
AH02008: SSL library error 1 in handshake (server
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443 <http://www.linuxlighthouse.com:443>)*
ssl_error_log:[Fri Oct 29 22:08:41.153347 2021] [ssl:info] [pid 16246:tid
16283] SSL Library Error: error:1408F119:SSL
routines:ssl3_get_record:decryption failed or bad record mac
ssl_error_log:[Fri Oct 29 22:08:41.384214 2021] [ssl:trace3] [pid 15784:tid
15903] ssl_engine_kernel.c(2223): [client 64.41.200.111:41040] OpenSSL:
Write: error
ssl_error_log:[Fri Oct 29 22:08:41.384223 2021] [ssl:trace3] [pid 15784:tid
15903] ssl_engine_kernel.c(2242): [client 64.41.200.111:41040] OpenSSL:
Exit: error in error

thx...

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 9:32 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 10/29/21 13:30, Jack Craig wrote:
> >
> > i am working to make letsencrypt .pem files work on my F34 workstation.
> > so far, i try firefox browser, and, ...
> >
> [snip ssl logging]
> >
> > F34 install, add letsencrypt , and i am https ready.
> >
> > problem, i am not getting text secure link and not seeing a lot of
> options>
>
> Can you provide more information about what you think isn't working?  I
> checked your site and there are no ssl errors.  Firefox says it's secure
> for all 3 domains.  The letsencrypt certificate is valid.
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target - enable httpds

[Jack Craig]

i am working to make letsencrypt .pem files work on my F34 workstation.
so far, i try firefox browser, and, ...


ssl:info] [pid 16630:tid 16630] AH01914: Configuring server
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443 for SSL protocol
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(649): Using
OpenSSL/system default SSL/TLS protocols
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(670): Creating new SSL
context (protocols: default)
[ssl:trace1] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(1036): Configuring
permitted SSL ciphers [PROFILE=SYSTEM]
[ssl:debug] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(1248): AH01904:
Configuring server certificate chain (2 CA certificates)
[ssl:debug] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(528): AH01893:
Configuring TLS extension handling
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_util_ssl.c(436): [
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443] modssl_X509_match_name: expecting name '
www.linuxlighthouse.com', NOT matched by ID 'linuxlighthouse.com'
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_util_ssl.c(436): [
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443] modssl_X509_match_name: expecting name '
www.linuxlighthouse.com', NOT matched by ID 'ws.linuxlighthouse.com'
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_util_ssl.c(436): [
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443] modssl_X509_match_name: expecting name '
www.linuxlighthouse.com', matched by ID 'www.linuxlighthouse.com'
[ssl:debug] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_util_ssl.c(451): AH02412: [
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443] Cert matches for name 'www.linuxlighthouse.com'
[subject: CN=linuxlighthouse.com / issuer: CN=R3,O=Let's Encrypt,C=US /
serial: 03DBD10F4587D6C0A8DF92A4AFAB30608EFF / notbefore: Oct 22 21:12:41
2021 GMT / notafter: Jan 20 21:12:40 2022 GMT]
[ssl:info] [pid 16630:tid 16630] AH02568: Certificate and private key
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443:0 configured from /etc/letsencrypt/live/
linuxlighthouse.com/fullchain.pem and /etc/letsencrypt/live/
linuxlighthouse.com/privkey.pem
[ssl:info] [pid 16630:tid 16630] AH01914: Configuring server
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443 for SSL protocol
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(649): Using
OpenSSL/system default SSL/TLS protocols
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(670): Creating new SSL
context (protocols: default)
[ssl:trace1] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(1036): Configuring
permitted SSL ciphers [PROFILE=SYSTEM]
[ssl:debug] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(1248): AH01904:
Configuring server certificate chain (2 CA certificates)
[ssl:debug] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(528): AH01893:
Configuring TLS extension handling
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_util_ssl.c(436): [
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443] modssl_X509_match_name: expecting name '
www.linuxlighthouse.com', NOT matched by ID 'linuxlighthouse.com'
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_util_ssl.c(436): [
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443] modssl_X509_match_name: expecting name '
www.linuxlighthouse.com', NOT matched by ID 'ws.linuxlighthouse.com'
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_util_ssl.c(436): [
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443] modssl_X509_match_name: expecting name '
www.linuxlighthouse.com', matched by ID 'www.linuxlighthouse.com'
[ssl:debug] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_util_ssl.c(451): AH02412: [
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443] Cert matches for name 'www.linuxlighthouse.com'
[subject: CN=linuxlighthouse.com / issuer: CN=R3,O=Let's Encrypt,C=US /
serial: 03DBD10F4587D6C0A8DF92A4AFAB30608EFF / notbefore: Oct 22 21:12:41
2021 GMT / notafter: Jan 20 21:12:40 2022 GMT]
[ssl:info] [pid 16630:tid 16630] AH02568: Certificate and private key
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443:0 configured from /etc/letsencrypt/live/
linuxlighthouse.com/fullchain.pem and /etc/letsencrypt/live/
linuxlighthouse.com/privkey.pem
ssl:info] [pid 16630:tid 16630] AH01914: Configuring server
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443 for SSL protocol
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(649): Using
OpenSSL/system default SSL/TLS protocols
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(670): Creating new SSL
context (protocols: default)
[ssl:trace1] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(1036): Configuring
permitted SSL ciphers [PROFILE=SYSTEM]
[ssl:debug] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(1248): AH01904:
Configuring server certificate chain (2 CA certificates)
[ssl:debug] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_engine_init.c(528): AH01893:
Configuring TLS extension handling
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_util_ssl.c(436): [
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443] modssl_X509_match_name: expecting name '
www.linuxlighthouse.com', NOT matched by ID 'linuxlighthouse.com'
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_util_ssl.c(436): [
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443] modssl_X509_match_name: expecting name '
www.linuxlighthouse.com', NOT matched by ID 'ws.linuxlighthouse.com'
[ssl:trace3] [pid 16630:tid 16630] ssl_util_ssl.c(436): [
www.linuxlighthouse.com:443] modssl_X509_match_name: expecting name '
www.linuxlighthouse.com', matched by ID 'www.linuxlighthouse.com'
[ssl:debug] [pid 16630:tid 

Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

i did a fresh f34 install nd this list of pipewire packages

pipewire.x86_64   0.3.35-2.fc34
 @updates
pipewire-alsa.x86_64  0.3.35-2.fc34
 @updates
pipewire-doc.x86_64   0.3.35-2.fc34
 @updates
pipewire-gstreamer.x86_64 0.3.35-2.fc34
 @updates
pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit.x86_64 0.3.35-2.fc34
 @updates
pipewire-libs.x86_64  0.3.35-2.fc34
 @updates
pipewire-pulseaudio.x86_640.3.35-2.fc34
 @updates
pipewire-utils.x86_64 0.3.35-2.fc34
 @updates
pipewire0.2-libs.x86_64   0.2.7-5.fc34
  @anaconda

pipewire-pulseaudio.x86_640.3.35-2.fc34
 @updates
pulseaudio-libs.x86_6414.2-3.fc34
 @anaconda
pulseaudio-libs-glib2.x86_64  14.2-3.fc34
 @anaconda
pulseaudio-utils.x86_64   14.2-3.fc34
 @fedora

cp /usr/share/doc/pipewire/pipewire.conf   ~/.config/pipewire/pipewire.conf

followed this chant...

https://www.tomordonez.com/install-pipewire-linux-fedora/

reboot and test with gnome-control-panel sound

thx for all the support,...

On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 1:38 PM Jack Craig 
wrote:

> sounds like my boat too.
>
> retired due parkinsons, but still chasing fedora.
>
> just to keep the 'lights on'. ;)
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 1:24 PM Joe Zeff  wrote:
>
>> On 9/12/21 1:44 PM, Jack Craig wrote:
>> > do you have any advice to pass along ?? thanks
>>
>> Alas, no.  Back when I was working I did tech support, but only on
>> Internet related issues and I've been retired for a decade or so.
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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

sounds like my boat too.

retired due parkinsons, but still chasing fedora.

just to keep the 'lights on'. ;)

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>
> Alas, no.  Back when I was working I did tech support, but only on
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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

bizarre, now its working on all monitors, go figure.

Rather than guess whats up, i am  going to take a break and list my pipe
wire config.

thx to all for assistance...

On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 1:07 PM Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:51:34 -0700
> Jack Craig wrote:
>
> > and you change it back to a working state how??  thx.
>
> Usually just run gnome control center, see that the sound device
> is set wrong, and pick the one that is actually connected to speakers :-).
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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

and you change it back to a working state how??  thx.

On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 12:46 PM Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 13:36:45 -0600
> Joe Zeff wrote:
>
> > Is there a reason for you to expect it to stop?  Normally, once it's
> > working it stays working unless you change something.
>
> I've had the default sound device get changed on me after an
> update every once in a while (not often, but it does happen).
> Once I change it back it usually sticks till the next mystery
> update.
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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 12:37 PM Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 9/12/21 12:54 PM, Jack Craig wrote:
> > *I keep going back to test the sound and so far it continues to work
> > it's a two speaker only but at least it's getting audio out .*
>
> Is there a reason for you to expect it to stop?  Normally, once it's
> working it stays working unless you change something.
>

Sadly yes I've had some difficulty installing on a large screen TV series

the audio set up but I don't get any audio out what

I do get to work though is if I switch down to a normal monitor for the
display that installs and then audio works just fine

but then once connected and working with the smaller screen if  I just get
the working screen up and swap cables with the
large screen all seems to work except music now I don't get any audio out
again so I'm trying to figure this out what's changing
and why

do you have any advice to pass along ?? thanks

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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 9:13 AM stan via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 11:45:10 -0700
> Jack Craig  wrote:
>
> > i see ...
> >
> >  aplay -L
> > null
> > Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)
> > samplerate
> > Rate Converter Plugin Using Samplerate Library
> > pipewire
> > PipeWire Sound Server
> > upmix
> > Plugin for channel upmix (4,6,8)
> > vdownmix
> > Plugin for channel downmix (stereo) with a simple spacialization
> > default
> > Default ALSA Output (currently PipeWire Media Server)
> > hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0
> > HDA NVidia, HDMI 0
> > HDMI Audio Output
> > hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=1
> > HDA NVidia, HDMI 1
> > HDMI Audio Output
> > hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=2
> > HDA NVidia, HDMI 2
> > HDMI Audio Output
> > hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=3
> > HDA NVidia, HDMI 3
> > HDMI Audio Output
> > hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=4
> > HDA NVidia, HDMI 4
> > HDMI Audio Output
> > usbstream:CARD=NVidia
> > HDA NVidia
> > USB Stream Output
> > [jackc@ws ~ $ aplay -lv
> >  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> >
> > snd   110592  10
> >
> snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_timer,snd_pcm
> > snd_hda_codec 172032  2 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel
> > snd_hda_codec_hdmi 73728  1
> > snd_hda_core  110592  3
> > snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
> > snd_hda_intel  57344  1
> > snd_hrtimer16384  0
> > snd_hwdep  16384  1 snd_hda_codec
> > snd_intel_dspcfg   28672  1 snd_hda_intel
> > snd_intel_sdw_acpi 20480  1 snd_intel_dspcfg
> > snd_pcm   135168  4
> > snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_core
> > snd_seq90112  1 snd_seq_dummy
> > snd_seq_device 16384  1 snd_seq
> > snd_seq_dummy  16384  0
> > snd_timer  49152  3 snd_seq,snd_hrtimer,snd_pcm
> > soundcore  16384  1 snd
>
> The proper audio codecs are all loaded.
> >
> > 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK208B [GeForce
> > GT 730] (rev a1)
> > 03:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GK208 HDMI/DP Audio
> > Controller (rev a1)
>
> The proper video controller is loaded
> >
> > cat /proc/asound/devices
> >   1:: sequencer
> >   2: [ 0- 3]: digital audio playback
> >   3: [ 0- 7]: digital audio playback
> >   4: [ 0- 8]: digital audio playback
> >   5: [ 0- 9]: digital audio playback
> >   6: [ 0-10]: digital audio playback
> >   7: [ 0- 0]: hardware dependent
> >   8: [ 0]   : control
> >  33:: timer
>
> The aplay -lv and this agree, that your sound devices are
> hdmi:0,[3,7,8,9,10]
> I'm not sure why the aplay -L isn't showing the same thing.
>
> The alternative method should have found one of these as the correct
> output in order to give you sound.  You then would have to somehow tell
> pipewire to use that device.
>
>  Online, I see that people are using pavucontrol with pipewire
>  successfully.  If you can do that, it should be easy to fix this.
>  Just go into pavucontrol and, while music is playing (even if there is
>  no sound), set the default device to the each of the hdmi outputs in
>  turn,
> hdmi:0,3 hdmi:0,7 etc.
> When one of them outputs sound, leave it as the default.  You then
> don't have to worry about translating the alsa form into the pipewire
> form; pavucontrol will have done it for you.
>


*Well I got it happening finally . I just did a reinstall and came up and
it's worked so far. *

*I keep going back to test the sound and so far it continues to work it's a
two speaker only but at least it's getting audio out .*


*Does anyone know the directories where the sound configuration is stored I
got like to go look at what w

Re: networked sound via pipewire

[Jack Craig]

i am making a little progress, but as the gnome sound sees the stream,...
that is the output config is seen...

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 6:54 PM Greg Woods  wrote:

> Is this actually possible right now? Pipewire is under rapid development
> which means the documentation out there on it rapidly becomes dated, so
> I've been poking around for the past hour but haven't found anything that
> would help me do what I want.
>
> What I want to do is have some of my virtual machines send their output
> over the network to my desktop. Not having audio from the VMs is limiting
> what I can do with them. Can this be done with pipewire as it stands now?
> Is it documented anywhere?
>
> Thanks,
> --Greg
>
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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 11:45 AM Jack Craig 
wrote:

>
>
> Osuggestions?? tia, jackc...
>
>>
>> Translates to hdmi:0,[0,1,2,3,4]
>>
>> Previously you showed the following output.  This shows device as card
>> and device as device
>>
>> > aplay -lv
>> >  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
>> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
>> >   Subdevices: 1/1
>> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
>> >   Subdevices: 0/1
>> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
>> >   Subdevices: 1/1
>> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
>> >   Subdevices: 1/1
>> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
>> >   Subdevices: 1/1
>> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>>
>> Translates to hdmi:0,[3,7,8,9,10]
>>
>> This is different than the above output.  WHat did you do in the
>> interim?  With the newer output, hdmi:0,1 should work, because alsa has
>> now found it.
>>
>
> *i have made no file updates, just started populating /etc/pipewire from
> /usr/share/doc/sound/pipewire*
> *i have ...*
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *.config/pipewire/media-session.d/default-routes.config/pipewire/media-session.d/media-session.conf.config/pipewire/media-session.d/bluez-monitor.conf.config/pipewire/pipewire.conf*
>
>>
>> > my  .config/pipewire/media-session.d/default-routes has,...
>> >
>> > *{  "default.route.alsa_card.pci-_03_00.1:profile:off": [ ],
>> >
>> "default.route.alsa_card.pci-_03_00.1:profile:output:hdmi-stereo-extra1":
>> > [ ]}*
>> >
>> > *should i have hdmi:0,2 as default route??*
>>
>> If the output from aplay -lv or aplay -L* still shows that hdmi:0,0 is
>> legitimate, I think that is what you should be using.  I am not sure how
>> to translate that into pipewire speak.  I'm not even sure that the above
>> is looking at the nvidia card as the pci in the name is confusing.
>> What do you see if you do  lsmod?  How about  lspci?  Is the hdmi card
>> in either of them?
>>
>
> i see ...
>
>  aplay -L
> null
> Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)
> samplerate
> Rate Converter Plugin Using Samplerate Library
> pipewire
> PipeWire Sound Server
> upmix
> Plugin for channel upmix (4,6,8)
> vdownmix
> Plugin for channel downmix (stereo) with a simple spacialization
> default
> Default ALSA Output (currently PipeWire Media Server)
> hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0
> HDA NVidia, HDMI 0
> HDMI Audio Output
> hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=1
> HDA NVidia, HDMI 1
> HDMI Audio Output
> hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=2
> HDA NVidia, HDMI 2
> HDMI Audio Output
> hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=3
> HDA NVidia, HDMI 3
> HDMI Audio Output
> hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=4
> HDA NVidia, HDMI 4
> HDMI Audio Output
> usbstream:CARD=NVidia
> HDA NVidia
> USB Stream Output
> [jackc@ws ~ $ aplay -lv
>  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>
> snd   110592  10
> snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_timer,snd_pcm
> snd_hda_codec 172032  2 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel
> snd_hda_codec_hdmi 73728  1
> snd_hda_core  110592  3
> snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
> snd_hda_intel  57344  1
> snd_hrtimer16384  0
> snd_hwdep  16384  1 snd_hda_codec
> snd_intel_dspcfg   28672  1 snd_hda_intel
> snd_intel_sdw_acpi 20480  1 snd_intel_dspcfg
> snd_pcm   135168  4
> snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_core
> snd_seq90112  1 snd_seq_dummy
> snd_seq_device 16384  1 snd_seq
> snd_seq_dummy  16384  0
> snd_timer  49152  3 snd_seq,snd_h

Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

Osuggestions?? tia, jackc...

>
> Translates to hdmi:0,[0,1,2,3,4]
>
> Previously you showed the following output.  This shows device as card
> and device as device
>
> > aplay -lv
> >  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
> >   Subdevices: 0/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>
> Translates to hdmi:0,[3,7,8,9,10]
>
> This is different than the above output.  WHat did you do in the
> interim?  With the newer output, hdmi:0,1 should work, because alsa has
> now found it.
>

*i have made no file updates, just started populating /etc/pipewire from
/usr/share/doc/sound/pipewire*
*i have ...*





*.config/pipewire/media-session.d/default-routes.config/pipewire/media-session.d/media-session.conf.config/pipewire/media-session.d/bluez-monitor.conf.config/pipewire/pipewire.conf*

>
> > my  .config/pipewire/media-session.d/default-routes has,...
> >
> > *{  "default.route.alsa_card.pci-_03_00.1:profile:off": [ ],
> >
> "default.route.alsa_card.pci-_03_00.1:profile:output:hdmi-stereo-extra1":
> > [ ]}*
> >
> > *should i have hdmi:0,2 as default route??*
>
> If the output from aplay -lv or aplay -L* still shows that hdmi:0,0 is
> legitimate, I think that is what you should be using.  I am not sure how
> to translate that into pipewire speak.  I'm not even sure that the above
> is looking at the nvidia card as the pci in the name is confusing.
> What do you see if you do  lsmod?  How about  lspci?  Is the hdmi card
> in either of them?
>

i see ...

 aplay -L
null
Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)
samplerate
Rate Converter Plugin Using Samplerate Library
pipewire
PipeWire Sound Server
upmix
Plugin for channel upmix (4,6,8)
vdownmix
Plugin for channel downmix (stereo) with a simple spacialization
default
Default ALSA Output (currently PipeWire Media Server)
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0
HDA NVidia, HDMI 0
HDMI Audio Output
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=1
HDA NVidia, HDMI 1
HDMI Audio Output
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=2
HDA NVidia, HDMI 2
HDMI Audio Output
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=3
HDA NVidia, HDMI 3
HDMI Audio Output
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=4
HDA NVidia, HDMI 4
HDMI Audio Output
usbstream:CARD=NVidia
HDA NVidia
USB Stream Output
[jackc@ws ~ $ aplay -lv
 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

snd   110592  10
snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_timer,snd_pcm
snd_hda_codec 172032  2 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 73728  1
snd_hda_core  110592  3
snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec
snd_hda_intel  57344  1
snd_hrtimer16384  0
snd_hwdep  16384  1 snd_hda_codec
snd_intel_dspcfg   28672  1 snd_hda_intel
snd_intel_sdw_acpi 20480  1 snd_intel_dspcfg
snd_pcm   135168  4
snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_core
snd_seq90112  1 snd_seq_dummy
snd_seq_device 16384  1 snd_seq
snd_seq_dummy  16384  0
snd_timer  49152  3 snd_seq,snd_hrtimer,snd_pcm
soundcore  16384  1 snd

03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK208B [GeForce GT
730] (rev a1)
03:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GK208 HDMI/DP Audio Controller
(rev a1)

cat /proc/asound/devices
  1:: sequencer
  2: [ 0- 3]: digital audio playback
  3: [ 0- 7]: digital audio playback
  4: [ 0- 8]: digital audio playback
  5: [ 0- 9]: digital audio playback
  6: [ 0-10]: digital audio playback
  7: [ 0- 0]: hardware dependent
  8: [ 0]   : control
 33:: timer

off to check the link about alternates.

note that if i boot live media and try sound, all is well. gnome/sound only
sees the output device, not input,
but i get sound. rebooting the installed system, i get same gnome/sound
display, but no audio.


anyone get helvum working??

next to review the below  reference, Thx!!

>
> At this link,
> 

Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 1:57 AM Jack Craig 
wrote:

>
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire-pulse[1889]: pulse-server 0x55b24e6f3db0:
> [gsd-power] ERROR command:-1 (invalid) tag:4 error:25 (Input/output error)
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> dlmisc.c:226:(snd_dlsym_verify) unable to verify version for symbol
> snd_func_private_integer
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:4733:(_snd_config_evaluate) symbol snd_func_private_integer is not
> defined inside (null)
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:5233:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device or address
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:3917:(snd_config_hook_load) Unable to expand filenames in the
> pre-load section
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:3739:(snd_config_hooks_call) function
> snd_config_hook_load_for_all_cards returned error: No such device or address
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:5200:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 0,1
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> pcm.c:2660:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hdmi:0,1
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: 'hdmi:0,1': playback open failed:
> Invalid argument
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: adapter 0x557ed233f260: can't get
> format: Invalid argument
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: usage: node.name=
> Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire-media-session[1897]: error id:71 seq:467
> res:-22 (Invalid argument): usage: node.name=
> Sep 01 18:33:26 fedora pipewire-media-session[1897]: device
> 'alsa_card.pci-_03_00.1': can't restore profile: No such device
> Sep 01 18:34:17 fedora dracut[8980]: -rw-r--r--   1 root root
>   30 Jul  9 08:18 etc/ld.so.conf.d/pipewire-jack-x86_64.conf
> Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> dlmisc.c:226:(snd_dlsym_verify) unable to verify version for symbol
> snd_func_private_integer
> Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:4733:(_snd_config_evaluate) symbol snd_func_private_integer is not
> defined inside (null)
> Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:5233:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device or address
> Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:3917:(snd_config_hook_load) Unable to expand filenames in the
> pre-load section
> Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:3739:(snd_config_hooks_call) function
> snd_config_hook_load_for_all_cards returned error: No such device or address
> Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:5200:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 0,1
> Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> pcm.c:2660:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hdmi:0,1
> Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: 'hdmi:0,1': playback open failed:
> Invalid argument
> Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: adapter 0x557ed233d680: can't get
> format: Invalid argument
> Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: usage: node.name=
> *Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire-media-session[1897]: error id:30 seq:519
> res:-22 (Invalid argument): usage: node.name <http://node.name>=*
> Sep 01 18:34:56 fedora pipewire-media-session[1897]: device
> 'alsa_card.pci-_03_00.1': can't restore profile: No such device
> Sep 01 19:24:09 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> dlmisc.c:226:(snd_dlsym_verify) unable to verify version for symbol
> snd_func_private_integer
> Sep 01 19:24:09 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:4733:(_snd_config_evaluate) symbol snd_func_private_integer is not
> defined inside (null)
> Sep 01 19:24:09 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:5233:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device or address
> Sep 01 19:24:09 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:3917:(snd_config_hook_load) Unable to expand filenames in the
> pre-load section
> Sep 01 19:24:09 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:3739:(snd_config_hooks_call) function
> snd_config_hook_load_for_all_cards returned error: No such device or address
> Sep 01 19:24:09 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> conf.c:5200:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 0,1
> *S*
>
>
>
>
> *ep 01 19:24:09 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
> pcm.c:2660:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hdmi:0,1Sep 01 19:24:09
> fedora pipewire[1888]: 'hdmi:0,1': playback open failed: Invalid
> argumentSep 01 19:24:09 fedora pipewire[1888]: adapter 0x557ed236e370:
> can't get format: Invalid argumentSep 01 19:24:09 fedora pipewire[1888]:
> usage: node.name <http://node.name>=Sep 01 19:24:09 fedora
> pipewire-media-session[1897]: error id:30 seq:551 res:-22 (Invalid
> argument): usage: node.name <http://node.name>=Sep 01 19:29:52
> fedora pipewire-media-sess

Re: pipewire configuration for f34

[Jack Craig]

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:47 PM Jack Craig 
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:42 PM Tom Horsley  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 13:34:19 -0600
>> Joe Zeff wrote:
>>
>> > > any idea why i am the lucky 'winner '??
>> >
>> > Tish happens.  Seriously, you might want to submit a bugzilla against
>> > pipewire, listing the workaround so that the devs will know what it is
>> > that doesn't always work right because if nobody reports it, it can't
>> > get fixed.
>>
>> Maybe try booting from the f34 workstation live image and see if it
>> can get sound out of the box. If it can, something was confused on
>> your installation (which can certainly happen on an upgrade versus
>> a clean install).
>>
>
> i always clean install to avoid a lot of this too.
> its got audio showing up, just not out loud yet.
>
> i think i'll beat on this a bit and see if i can fix it;
> it'd be nice to 'give back useful info if i can'...
>
> booting a live image Did make music. further it saw the output, but no
input.
so looks like enumeration is weak?

any pointer to where in /usr/share/sound config  enumeration starts?  ? ;)

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Re: pipewire configuration for f34

[Jack Craig]

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:42 PM Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 13:34:19 -0600
> Joe Zeff wrote:
>
> > > any idea why i am the lucky 'winner '??
> >
> > Tish happens.  Seriously, you might want to submit a bugzilla against
> > pipewire, listing the workaround so that the devs will know what it is
> > that doesn't always work right because if nobody reports it, it can't
> > get fixed.
>
> Maybe try booting from the f34 workstation live image and see if it
> can get sound out of the box. If it can, something was confused on
> your installation (which can certainly happen on an upgrade versus
> a clean install).
>

i always clean install to avoid a lot of this too.
its got audio showing up, just not out loud yet.

i think i'll beat on this a bit and see if i can fix it;
it'd be nice to 'give back useful info if i can'...

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Re: pipewire configuration for f34

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On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 11:42 AM Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 9/7/21 11:50 AM, Jack Craig wrote:
> > *Thanks Jonathan.* everyone, apparently, but me!!!
> >
> > can you imagine using fedora and Not knowing that?! Yikes!!
>
> Yes, I can, because most users will never need that.  If everybody
> needed that to get pipewire working, it would have been a showstopper
> bug and fixed before the package was released.'?
>

any idea why i am the lucky 'winner '??

thx again,...

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Re: pipewire configuration for f34

[Jack Craig]

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 5:19 AM Jonathan Billings 
wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 06, 2021 at 10:58:05PM -0700, Jack Craig wrote:
> >
> > in trying to fathom my loss of audio out, i keep seeing reference to
> > files
> > in /etc/pipewire/  where my install has  nothing!
> >
> > What am I missing? thx!
>
> In the very top of /usr/share/pipewire/pipewire.conf:
>
> # Daemon config file for PipeWire version "0.3.34" #
> #
> # Copy and edit this file in /etc/pipewire for systemwide changes
> # or in ~/.config/pipewire for local changes.
>
> So it's using a fairly common standard these days, having packaged
> settings in /usr/share/$SOFTWARE and local config changes in
> /etc/$SOFTWARE and in ~/.config/$SOFTWARE for per-user settings.
>

*Thanks Jonathan.* everyone, apparently, but me!!!

can you imagine using fedora and Not knowing that?! Yikes!!

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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

8]: ALSA lib
conf.c:3917:(snd_config_hook_load) Unable to expand filenames in the
pre-load section
Sep 01 22:06:32 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:3739:(snd_config_hooks_call) function
snd_config_hook_load_for_all_cards returned error: No such device or address
Sep 01 22:06:32 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:5200:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 0,1
Sep 01 22:06:32 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
pcm.c:2660:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hdmi:0,1
*Sep 01 22:06:32 fedora pipewire[1888]: 'hdmi:0,1': playback open failed:
Invalid argument*
Sep 01 22:06:32 fedora pipewire[1888]: adapter 0x557ed2345f10: can't get
format: Invalid argument
Sep 01 22:06:32 fedora pipewire[1888]: usage: node.name=
Sep 01 22:06:32 fedora pipewire-media-session[1897]: error id:30 seq:583
res:-22 (Invalid argument): usage: node.name=
Sep 01 22:07:21 fedora systemd[1632]: pipewire-pulse.service: Deactivated
successfully.
Sep 01 22:07:21 fedora systemd[1632]: pipewire.service: Deactivated
successfully.

ok, this ain't right, but i am unable to translate it to a discrete error...

*[root@ws jackc]# aplay -L*
null
Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)
samplerate
Rate Converter Plugin Using Samplerate Library
pipewire
PipeWire Sound Server
upmix
Plugin for channel upmix (4,6,8)
vdownmix
Plugin for channel downmix (stereo) with a simple spacialization
default
Default ALSA Output (currently PipeWire Media Server)
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0
HDA NVidia, HDMI 0
HDMI Audio Output
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=1
HDA NVidia, HDMI 1
HDMI Audio Output
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=2
HDA NVidia, HDMI 2
HDMI Audio Output
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=3
HDA NVidia, HDMI 3
HDMI Audio Output
hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=4
HDA NVidia, HDMI 4
HDMI Audio Output
usbstream:CARD=NVidia
HDA NVidia
USB Stream Output

suggestions?? tia, jackc...




On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:40 PM Jack Craig 
wrote:

> i wanted to report gnome-control-panel sound see an output source, but not
> in
>
> when i do the testing, the speaker icon flashes, but no audio.
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:43 AM stan via users <
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 19:41:09 -0700
>> Jack Craig  wrote:
>>
>> > aplay -lv
>> >  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
>> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
>> >   Subdevices: 1/1
>> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
>> >   Subdevices: 0/1
>> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
>> >   Subdevices: 1/1
>> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
>> >   Subdevices: 1/1
>> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
>> >   Subdevices: 1/1
>> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
>> > [root@ws jackc]#
>>
>> I recall from your first message that you were trying to instantiate
>> hdmi:0,1.  From the above output, that device doesn't exist.  You only
>> have devices hdmi:0,[3,7,8,9,10].  So, the error message is correct.
>> For some reason, pipewire? is trying to open an incorrect device.  Do
>> you have a device hard-coded somewhere in your configuration?  Pipewire
>> should be able to figure out the correct device to try if it isn't
>> being told a device to use (I think, no expert on pipewire).
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pipewire configuration for f34

[Jack Craig]

in trying to fathom my loss of audio out, i keep seeing reference to files
in /etc/pipewire/  where my install has  nothing!

What am I missing? thx!
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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

i wanted to report gnome-control-panel sound see an output source, but not
in

when i do the testing, the speaker icon flashes, but no audio.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:43 AM stan via users 
wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 19:41:09 -0700
> Jack Craig  wrote:
>
> > aplay -lv
> >  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
> >   Subdevices: 0/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > [root@ws jackc]#
>
> I recall from your first message that you were trying to instantiate
> hdmi:0,1.  From the above output, that device doesn't exist.  You only
> have devices hdmi:0,[3,7,8,9,10].  So, the error message is correct.
> For some reason, pipewire? is trying to open an incorrect device.  Do
> you have a device hard-coded somewhere in your configuration?  Pipewire
> should be able to figure out the correct device to try if it isn't
> being told a device to use (I think, no expert on pipewire).
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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:43 AM stan via users 
wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 19:41:09 -0700
> Jack Craig  wrote:
>
> > aplay -lv
> >  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
> >   Subdevices: 0/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
> >   Subdevices: 1/1
> >   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> > [root@ws jackc]#
>
> I recall from your first message that you were trying to instantiate
> hdmi:0,1.  From the above output, that device doesn't exist.  You only
> have devices hdmi:0,[3,7,8,9,10].  So, the error message is correct.
> For some reason, pipewire? is trying to open an incorrect device.  Do
> you have a device hard-coded somewhere in your configuration?


no,  it's a F34 workstation. one of my setup chores is to get audio working
with my LGTV.
i had pulseaudio running on my last install so  hw  works.

this is probably my screwup, but i have been trying to Not futz with the
released bits.


Pipewire
> should be able to figure out the correct device to try if it isn't
> being told a device to use (I think, no expert on pipewire).
>

me either, but i like what i read about PW so this is a good challenge

i'd like to get to the bottom of this no audio state.

Q: do you why there doesnt seem to be systemctl files(start,stop,status)
for pipewire, pipewire-pulse, pipewire-media-session ?

also i want to track this non-existent file.

thank you very much for these insights.

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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

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aplay -lv
 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
  Subdevices: 0/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 9: HDMI 3 [HDMI 3]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 10: HDMI 4 [HDMI 4]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[root@ws jackc]#

On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 8:28 AM stan via users 
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> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 06:49:04 -0700
> Jack Craig  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jack Craig 
> > wrote:
>
> What does running
> aplay -lv
> show as available devices?  From all the errors, it seems there is a
> configuration or api mismatch somewhere in the chain between pipewire
> and alsa.
>
> You might find some worthwhile information about hdmi here:
> https://alsa.opensrc.org/DigitalOut
>
> This is a troubleshooting checklist:
> https://alsa.opensrc.org/TroubleShooting
>
> And running this script can give you a *lot* of information about your
> sound setup:
> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

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On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jack Craig 
wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 3:33 AM Matti Pulkkinen  wrote:
>
>> su, 2021-09-05 kello 01:29 -0700, Jack Craig kirjoitti:
>> > hi list,
>> >
>> > has anyone got pipewire working?
>>
>> Yes. In what way is it not working for you?
>>
> first, i have a LGTV main display is a tv. .
>
> i see audio activity on the settings:sound:output meter, i  see firefox
> audio streams too,
> but no audio. my use case at the moment is just firefox/f34/workstation.
>
> maybe i  should focus on the audio loss first?
>

now i am getting somewhere,...

Sep 01 18:16:07 fedora systemd[1632]: Started PipeWire PulseAudio.
Sep 01 18:16:32 fedora pipewire-media-session[1897]: GetManagedObjects()
failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
Sep 01 18:25:40 fedora pipewire-media-session[1897]: device
'alsa_card.pci-_03_00.1': can't restore profile: No such device
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire-media-session[1897]: no node found for 41
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire-pulse[1889]: stream 0x55b24e6fcd30: error
no node available
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire-pulse[1889]: pulse-server 0x55b24e6f3db0:
[gsd-power] ERROR command:-1 (invalid) tag:3 error:25 (Input/output error)
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire-media-session[1897]: no node found for 41
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire-pulse[1889]: stream 0x55b24e6fcd30: error
no node available
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire-pulse[1889]: pulse-server 0x55b24e6f3db0:
[gsd-power] ERROR command:-1 (invalid) tag:4 error:25 (Input/output error)
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
dlmisc.c:226:(snd_dlsym_verify) unable to verify version for symbol
snd_func_private_integer
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:4733:(_snd_config_evaluate) symbol snd_func_private_integer is not
defined inside (null)
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:5233:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device or address
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:3917:(snd_config_hook_load) Unable to expand filenames in the
pre-load section
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:3739:(snd_config_hooks_call) function
snd_config_hook_load_for_all_cards returned error: No such device or address
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:5200:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 0,1
Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
pcm.c:2660:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hdmi:0,1




*Sep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: 'hdmi:0,1': playback open failed:
Invalid argumentSep 01 18:33:11 fedora pipewire[1888]: adapter
0x557ed233f260: can't get format: Invalid argumentSep 01 18:33:11 fedora
pipewire[1888]: usage: node.name <http://node.name>=Sep 01 18:33:11
fedora pipewire-media-session[1897]: error id:71 seq:467 res:-22 (Invalid
argument): usage: node.name <http://node.name>=Sep 01 18:33:26
fedora pipewire-media-session[1897]: device 'alsa_card.pci-_03_00.1':
can't restore profile: No such device*
Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
dlmisc.c:226:(snd_dlsym_verify) unable to verify version for symbol
snd_func_private_integer
Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:4733:(_snd_config_evaluate) symbol snd_func_private_integer is not
defined inside (null)
Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:5233:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device or address
Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:3917:(snd_config_hook_load) Unable to expand filenames in the
pre-load section
Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:3739:(snd_config_hooks_call) function
snd_config_hook_load_for_all_cards returned error: No such device or address
Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
conf.c:5200:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 0,1
Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: ALSA lib
pcm.c:2660:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hdmi:0,1
Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: 'hdmi:0,1': playback open failed:
Invalid argument
Sep 01 18:34:41 fedora pipewire[1888]: adapter 0x557ed233d680: can't get
format: Invalid argument



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Re: has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 3:33 AM Matti Pulkkinen  wrote:

> su, 2021-09-05 kello 01:29 -0700, Jack Craig kirjoitti:
> > hi list,
> >
> > has anyone got pipewire working?
>
> Yes. In what way is it not working for you?
>
first, i have a LGTV main display is a tv. .

i see audio activity on the settings:sound:output meter, i  see firefox
audio streams too,
but no audio. my use case at the moment is just firefox/f34/workstation.

maybe i  should focus on the audio loss first?


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has anyone got pipewire working F34??

[Jack Craig]

hi list,

has anyone got pipewire working?
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Re: touchpad for Fedora 34?

[Jack Craig]

   23  tar xf /tmp/net.downloadhelper.coapp-1.6.3-1_amd64.tar.gz -C ~
   24
 ~/net.downloadhelper.coapp-1.6.3/bin/net.downloadhelper.coapp-linux-64
install --user

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 11:28 AM Jack Craig 
wrote:

>   i want to swap from mouse to touch pad+kbd so,i am thinking, ...
>
>
> https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/k830-illuminated-tv-wireless.920-007182.html
>
> anyone got this one to work??
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 9:51 AM George N. White III 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 09:12, Jack Craig 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> just joining the F34  party and craving a touchpad.
>>>
>>> recommendations for touchpad on F34/gnome 40??
>>>
>>
>> Serial, USB, or PS2 port?  I assume you have a desktop.  I'm retired, but
>> used to
>> work with oceanographers.  Computer mice are non-starters for a research
>> vessel,
>> so we tried a wide range of options -- touchpads, trackballs, keyboards
>> with touchpad,
>> and Wacom tablets.  The Wacom Bamboo tablets where popular and seemed to
>> work with everything, but had more features with Windows drivers.   Now
>> everyone
>> who doesn't need expansion cards for some instrument uses a laptop.
>>
>> My old desktop has PS2 and serial ports. I have a Cirque GlidePoint
>> Trackpad Desktop Model GDB220
>> (4 buttons, serial cable with a PS2 adapter).  I use it with the PS2
>> adapter so the serial port is available
>> for other devices.   On a newer desktop a USB<-->serial adapter did not
>> work.  What does work for me
>> is serial<-->PS2<-->USB (2 adapters!).
>>
>> % dmesg |tail
>> [175965.213366] usb 1-5.3: New USB device found, idVendor=0a81,
>> idProduct=0205, bcdDevice= 0.10
>> [175965.213381] usb 1-5.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
>> SerialNumber=0
>> [175965.213387] usb 1-5.3: Product: PS2 to USB Converter
>> [175965.213392] usb 1-5.3: Manufacturer: CHESEN
>> [175965.230256] input: CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter as
>> /devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-5/1-5.3/1-5.3:1.0/0003:0A81:0205.000F/input/input25
>> [175965.283015] hid-generic 0003:0A81:0205.000F: input,hidraw4: USB HID
>> v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter] on usb-:00:14.0-5.3/input0
>> [175965.291218] input: CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse as
>> /devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-5/1-5.3/1-5.3:1.1/0003:0A81:0205.0010/input/input26
>> [175965.291760] input: CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control as
>> /devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-5/1-5.3/1-5.3:1.1/0003:0A81:0205.0010/input/input27
>> [175965.343618] input: CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Control as
>> /devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-5/1-5.3/1-5.3:1.1/0003:0A81:0205.0010/input/input28
>> [175965.344295] hid-generic 0003:0A81:0205.0010: input,hidraw5: USB HID
>> v1.10 Mouse [CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter] on usb-:00:14.0-5.3/input1
>>
>> I don't have scrolling or gestures, just basic move pointer and click
>> functionality.  Since I
>> spend most of time in emacs, I don't miss the newfangled features.
>>
>> The Adesso Smart Cat, 4 Button Glidepoint USB Touchpad (GP-410UB) is
>> similar
>> and one reviewer said it works with linux, but reviews have many
>> complaints of poor build
>> quality so I'm looking for another option.  ALPs also sells "GlidePoint"
>> devices, including
>> modules used in laptops.  Google finds lots of issues for linux users:
>> controlling pointer
>> sensitivity, missing newfangled features.  If you have access to a
>> computer flea market
>> or local user group you could ask to try whatever people have in their
>> junk boxes.
>>
>> At my work I had a Alps keyboard with PS2 and USB connectors and a
>> built-in touchpad.
>> I liked having the touchpad in a fixed location relative to the keyboard,
>> but would have
>> preferred the touchpad on the left as I often use my right hand to jot
>> down notes or turn
>> pages in a reference manual.
>>
>> <https://www.adesso.com/product-category/keyboards/touchpad/> has a
>> variety of
>> keyboards with integral touchpads.
>>
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Re: touchpad for Fedora 34?

[Jack Craig]

  i want to swap from mouse to touch pad+kbd so,i am thinking, ...

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/k830-illuminated-tv-wireless.920-007182.html

anyone got this one to work??


On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 9:51 AM George N. White III 
wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 09:12, Jack Craig 
> wrote:
>
>> just joining the F34  party and craving a touchpad.
>>
>> recommendations for touchpad on F34/gnome 40??
>>
>
> Serial, USB, or PS2 port?  I assume you have a desktop.  I'm retired, but
> used to
> work with oceanographers.  Computer mice are non-starters for a research
> vessel,
> so we tried a wide range of options -- touchpads, trackballs, keyboards
> with touchpad,
> and Wacom tablets.  The Wacom Bamboo tablets where popular and seemed to
> work with everything, but had more features with Windows drivers.   Now
> everyone
> who doesn't need expansion cards for some instrument uses a laptop.
>
> My old desktop has PS2 and serial ports. I have a Cirque GlidePoint
> Trackpad Desktop Model GDB220
> (4 buttons, serial cable with a PS2 adapter).  I use it with the PS2
> adapter so the serial port is available
> for other devices.   On a newer desktop a USB<-->serial adapter did not
> work.  What does work for me
> is serial<-->PS2<-->USB (2 adapters!).
>
> % dmesg |tail
> [175965.213366] usb 1-5.3: New USB device found, idVendor=0a81,
> idProduct=0205, bcdDevice= 0.10
> [175965.213381] usb 1-5.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,
> SerialNumber=0
> [175965.213387] usb 1-5.3: Product: PS2 to USB Converter
> [175965.213392] usb 1-5.3: Manufacturer: CHESEN
> [175965.230256] input: CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter as
> /devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-5/1-5.3/1-5.3:1.0/0003:0A81:0205.000F/input/input25
> [175965.283015] hid-generic 0003:0A81:0205.000F: input,hidraw4: USB HID
> v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter] on usb-:00:14.0-5.3/input0
> [175965.291218] input: CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Mouse as
> /devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-5/1-5.3/1-5.3:1.1/0003:0A81:0205.0010/input/input26
> [175965.291760] input: CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter System Control as
> /devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-5/1-5.3/1-5.3:1.1/0003:0A81:0205.0010/input/input27
> [175965.343618] input: CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter Consumer Control as
> /devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-5/1-5.3/1-5.3:1.1/0003:0A81:0205.0010/input/input28
> [175965.344295] hid-generic 0003:0A81:0205.0010: input,hidraw5: USB HID
> v1.10 Mouse [CHESEN PS2 to USB Converter] on usb-:00:14.0-5.3/input1
>
> I don't have scrolling or gestures, just basic move pointer and click
> functionality.  Since I
> spend most of time in emacs, I don't miss the newfangled features.
>
> The Adesso Smart Cat, 4 Button Glidepoint USB Touchpad (GP-410UB) is
> similar
> and one reviewer said it works with linux, but reviews have many
> complaints of poor build
> quality so I'm looking for another option.  ALPs also sells "GlidePoint"
> devices, including
> modules used in laptops.  Google finds lots of issues for linux users:
> controlling pointer
> sensitivity, missing newfangled features.  If you have access to a
> computer flea market
> or local user group you could ask to try whatever people have in their
> junk boxes.
>
> At my work I had a Alps keyboard with PS2 and USB connectors and a
> built-in touchpad.
> I liked having the touchpad in a fixed location relative to the keyboard,
> but would have
> preferred the touchpad on the left as I often use my right hand to jot
> down notes or turn
> pages in a reference manual.
>
> <https://www.adesso.com/product-category/keyboards/touchpad/> has a
> variety of
> keyboards with integral touchpads.
>
> --
> George N. White III
>
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touchpad for Fedora 34?

[Jack Craig]

just joining the F34  party and craving a touchpad.

recommendations for touchpad on F34/gnome 40??

tia, jackc...
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fedora34 & no audio

[Jack Craig]

is there a way to disable pipewire

how do you enable pulseaudio??

i got other fish to fry and it'd be nice if this audio JFW... ??

tia, jackc...
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Re: F34 pipewire no audio after updates

[Jack Craig]

i too have this problem after f34 install. (fresh, not updated).given
michael's status, what is the
next thing to try?


On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:52 AM Michael Schwendt 
wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 13:14:03 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>
> > Am I the only one where audio is missing after recent updates to F34?
> > The three pipewire processes are running, but no sound. No volume control
> > in GNOME Shell either.
>
> It's been a week or so without such problems, but today it's back.
>
> $ ps axuw|grep pipe
> ms342042  0.0  0.1 266652  9780 ?S /usr/bin/pipewire
> ms342043  0.0  0.0 247128  7392 ?S /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse
> ms342057  0.1  0.1 252652 11788 ?S /usr/bin/pipewire-media-session
>
> No volume control icon. No audio in any program. I've tried logging out,
> removing ~/.config/pulse and ~/.config/pipewire, but even that doesn't
> serve as a workaround anymore.
>
> Pulseaudio has never been so unreliable as this Pipewire thing.
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Re: first axfr challenges

[Jack Craig]

Thanks for all your advice; you are right!

I'll let the registrar do what they are already being paid to do.

I really appreciate your guidance, jackc...

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 2:28 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 08/06/2021 02:10, Mike Wright wrote:
> > Perhaps a lot of the confusion comes from the dual uses of the term:
> >
> >   primary in search order (which is random)
> >   primary source for zone data (which is fixed by an SOA)
> >
> > To make matters more confusing there are more complex setups where the
> zone masters are also clients making them both primary and secondary.
>
> I would state that somewhat differently.  (And while, yes, violating my
> goal of not introducing tangents
> in threads seeking answers.)
>
> I would say that confusion arises when terms are used interchangeably when
> they shouldn't be.  This
> often happens when the meaning of the terms are understood based on
> context.  The confusion can
> be worse when the individual with different subject matter knowledge are
> involved in the conversation.
>
> Anyway, I feel it would be helpful to use terms in a more consistent and
> "proper" manner.
>
> primary/secondary should be used when discussing name resolution. The "old
> school" way of thinking
> about this would be the order in which DNS servers are listed in
> /etc/resolv.conf.  The first entry being
> primary with subsequent entries being secondary.
>
> master/slave should be used when speaking of the data held in DNS
> servers.  That would coincide with
> the terms used in, for example, the "zone type" declaration within the
> named.conf file of bind.
>
> --
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Re: first axfr challenges

[Jack Craig]

Thanks Tim,

If you aren't a teacher, you are missing an academic calling!

Thanks again!


On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 6:49 AM Tim via users 
wrote:

> On Sun, 2021-06-06 at 11:54 -0700, Jack Craig wrote:
> > something i dont get, if my registrar provides glue references for
> > primary & secondary domain dns servers, what purpose is served by
> > anything in my host's named.conf (et al) having any reference to my
> > domain if it's not accessible/useful?
> >
> > i had thought that i should provide the primary server and my hosting
> > service provided secondary, but that leaves only the secondary os i
> > have only 1 responding
>
> The internet, at large, will always use your primary server.  If it
> can't, it'll try your secondary server.  Both of those servers are
> accessed by name, not numerical IP address, and those names have to be
> in some public DNS records, so people can find the IP addresses for
> them to connect to them.
>
> A glue record is a helping hand to find your primary server, when
> nothing else gives information about it.
>
> e.g. I try to look up linuxlighthouse.com.  My system will find the
> root server for .com, then it will ask it who holds the records for
> linuxlighthose.com, get told ns.linuxlighthouse.com and then query
> whoever that was, for its IP address.
>
> The big gotcha is that .com will say linuxlighthouse.com is handled by
> a particular nameserver by that nameserver's *name* not its IP.
>
> So the person trying to find linuxlighthouse.com first has to find the
> IP for ns.linuxlighthouse.com.  If the only server that knows that IP
> is ns.linuxlighthouse.com, itself, outsiders have no way to find out
> the IP of the nameserver to connect to it.
>
> Having your primary server as yourself, answering queries for itself,
> and nobody outside knowing it's IP to be able query it, is the quandary
> you find yourself in.
>
> How do you spell dictionary?  Dunno, go look it up in the dictionary...
>
> Hence, the glue record.  Querying .com will say ns.linuxlighthouse.com
> is handled by the holder of that gluerecord, we'll call it example.com
> (your registrar or other service provider).  Your registrar will have
> records that everyone else can lookup, so they can find example.com's
> IP address.  Now people can connect to your example.com registrar, your
> registrar's DNS server's glue record will give them the numerical IP of
> your ns.linuxlighthouse.com DNS server that they couldn't look up
> directly.  And, then, after all that, they can find your DNS server and
> query it about linuxlighthouse.com.
>
> This is like borrowing $5 from someone who wants a favour from a third
> party before they'll give you it, and that third party wants a favour
> from a fourth party before they'll do the third party's favour, rinse,
> lather, repeat...
>
> In all seriousness, you're really doing this the hardest way possible.
> I would let your registrar be your primary and secondary DNS servers
> (they'll have more than one server), and have your IP addresses
> programmed into them.  The public can query them.  And just run your
> own name server for your own internal addresses, and for learning how
> things work.
>
> Your registar does not require you to run a DNS server to give them the
> information.  The DNS records will be programmed directly into their
> DNS server.  Either by them, manually, or automatically when you
> registered the domain name, or you'll have some webpage interface to
> enter and edit details.
>
> --
>
> uname -rsvp
> Linux 3.10.0-1160.25.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Apr 28 21:49:45 UTC 2021
> x86_64
>
> Boilerplate:  All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
> I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list.
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Re: first axfr challenges

[Jack Craig]

*whois linuxlighthouse.com <http://linuxlighthouse.com> | grep ^NameName
Server: NS21.WORLDNIC.COM <http://NS21.WORLDNIC.COM>Name Server:
NS22.WORLDNIC.COM <http://NS22.WORLDNIC.COM>[jackc@ws ~ $ whois
linuxlighost -t axfr linuxlighthouse.com <http://linuxlighthouse.com>
ns21.worldnic.com <http://ns21.worldnic.com>Trying "linuxlighthouse.com
<http://linuxlighthouse.com>"Using domain server:Name: ns21.worldnic.com
<http://ns21.worldnic.com>Address: 162.159.26.132#53Aliases: Host
linuxlighthouse.com <http://linuxlighthouse.com> not found: 4(NOTIMP)*
*; Transfer failed.*









*[jackc@ws ~ $ host -t axfr linuxlighthouse.com
<http://linuxlighthouse.com> ns22.worldnic.com
<http://ns22.worldnic.com>Trying "linuxlighthouse.com
<http://linuxlighthouse.com>"Using domain server:Name: ns22.worldnic.com
<http://ns22.worldnic.com>Address: 162.159.27.77#53Aliases: Host
linuxlighthouse.com <http://linuxlighthouse.com> not found: 4(NOTIMP)*
*; Transfer failed.*

*something i dont get, if my registrar provides glue references for primary
& secondary domain dns servers,*
*what purpose is served by anything in my host's named.conf (et al) having
any reference to my domain if it's not*
*accessible/useful?*

*i had thought that i should provide the primary server and my hosting
service provided secondary, but*

*that leaves only the secondary os i have only 1 responding *


*Thx, jackc...*


On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 5:31 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 18/05/2021 03:50, Jack Craig wrote:
> > *i am getting a notauth on my axfr attempt. what i am not seeing is an
> A ip# for the secondary dns server.*
>
> Oh, FWIW, I have previously mentioned that since your system is quite
> "open" I configured a system here as a
> slave to your domain.  My named.conf contains
>
> zone "greshko.com" {
>   type master;
>   file "greshko.com.zone";
>   allow-update { none; };
>   allow-transfer { 2001:470:66:cce::2; 192.168.0.0/16;
> 2001:b030:112f:::/56; };
>  };
>
> zone "linuxlighthouse.com" {
>type slave;
>file "light.zone";
>masters { 108.220.213.121; };
>   };
>
> So, transfers of greshko.com are limited to the listed IPs.  While
> linuxlighthouse.com is wide open.
>
> So, try these to see the results.
>
> host -t axfr linuxlighthouse.com 211.75.128.214
> host -t axfr greshko.com 211.75.128.214
>
>
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first axfr challenges

[Jack Craig]

*i am getting a notauth on my axfr attempt. what i am not seeing is an  A
ip# for the secondary dns server.*


*is this missing A record a problem i need to fix for following host cli???*

*dig @ws.linuxlighthouse.com  axfr
linuxlighthouse.com *

; <<>> DiG 9.11.28-RedHat-9.11.28-1.fc32 <<>> @ws.linuxlighthouse.com axfr
linuxlighthouse.com
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
linuxlighthouse.com. 259200 IN SOA ws.linuxlighthouse.com.
root.linuxlighthouse.com. 2021051603 86400 7200 360 172800
linuxlighthouse.com. 259200 IN A 108.220.213.121
linuxlighthouse.com. 259200 IN CAA 0 issue "letsencrypt.org"
linuxlighthouse.com. 259200 IN NS ws.linuxlighthouse.com.
*linuxlighthouse.com . 259200 IN NS
ns2.swbell.net .*
ws.linuxlighthouse.com. 259200 IN A 108.220.213.121
www.linuxlighthouse.com. 259200 IN A 108.220.213.121
linuxlighthouse.com. 259200 IN SOA ws.linuxlighthouse.com.
root.linuxlighthouse.com. 2021051603 86400 7200 360 172800
;; Query time: 1 msec
;; SERVER: 108.220.213.121#53(108.220.213.121)
;; WHEN: Mon May 17 12:43:43 PDT 2021
;; XFR size: 8 records (messages 1, bytes 284)


*[jackc@ws ~ $ host -t axfr ns2.swbell.net 
 ws.linuxlighthouse.com *
Trying "ns2.swbell.net"
Using domain server:
Name: ws.linuxlighthouse.com
Address: 108.220.213.121#53
Aliases:

Host ns2.swbell.net not found: 9(NOTAUTH)
; Transfer failed.
[jackc@ws ~ $
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dns glue or duct tape??

[Jack Craig]

Hi folks

With help from this list I recently updated my DNS configuration to provide
for a primary and secondary DNS server where the primary DNS server is my
host inside my domain and the secondary server is provided by AT

I discovered that the secondary server on file with my registrar  was wrong
so I got the right data  and they claim to have created a glue record but
I'm still getting that host is not responding

*primary dns ws.linuxlighthouse.com *
*Secondary server ns2.swbell.net *

would some kind soul direct me to a coherent glue (or duct tape) record
test?

also, given some domain name how do you know which top level domain name
servers should be the first set that you query to locate your domain in
question??

tia...
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