Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > For the umteenth time, I'm wondering if it is time >> to give up KMail ... > I stopped wondering that over 10 years ago, even though I'm a KDE user. As KMail has stopped working for me for outgoing mail, I thought I'd try Thunderbird and Evolution. This has made me realize how much I prefer KMail. Setting up Tbird and Evolution was a nightmare, each taking about an hour and a half. Having followed the advice to let Tbird set things up "automatically", I found it extremely difficult to correct the bizarre choices made by the "wizard". (Eg changing from POP - evolution's choice - to imap involved a complicated journey through several menus.) To add to my misery, some bright spark has altered the place were settings are to be found, from Tools to Edit, making the documentation (which does not seem to have been changed) more or less useless. Let me only say that setting up Evolution was even worse. Returning to KMail's Settings=>Configure KMail is like entering a realm of order and sanity. If only the KMail developers could get it working properly, and then give up on trying to "improve" it. -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 23:36 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > if you need to run > > pre-release F24 for some reason, you've defined yourself as a > > tester so > > reporting problems in the right place is what you're expected to > > do. > I am running F24 (beta) because plasma kept crashing in F23, > and I found it didn't crash in F24. > I certainly don't define myself as a "tester", > and my only aim is to run a mail client that works. My point is that by running an unreleased version of Fedora, you are *assumed* to be a tester. I haven't had many problems with Plasma in F23, but for best results this should really go the Fedora KDE list, where I know you hang out. If you want to discuss alternatives to Kmail, by all means go ahead. There are several out there (Evolution, Mutt, Balsa, Sylpheed, ...) poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
On 05/25/2016 03:43 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Samuel Sieb wrote: When I try to send email I get the warning "Failed to transmit message", and journalctl has the entry "sendmail.service: PID file /run/sendmail.pid not readable (yet?) after start: No such file or directory". My first suggestion is to run postfix instead. :-) Thanks for the response. Can I avoid using sendmail for outgoing mail on KMail in that way? Is kmail actually using the sendmail server on localhost? Or is it just using the sendmail command to send the email message out? In that case, you could just disable the sendmail service as it's not even being used. But yes, postfix would work just as well either way. Assuming that is not acceptable, what does "systemctl status sendmail" show? I just tried this again, and I get much the same error message: --- [tim@william ~]$ sudo systemctl status sendmail sendmail.service - Sendmail Mail Transport Agent ... Did you remove some lines here? They were the ones I was looking for. Open a couple of terminal windows, run "tail -f/var/log/audit/audit.log" in one and "journalctl -f --all" in the other. Then try "systemctl restart sendmail" and see what output you get from that and what shows up in those other terminal windows. I tried this; there was a large amount of output, but the only thing that struck me was the same journalctl message again: sendmail.service: PID file /run/sendmail.pid not readable (yet?) after start: No such file or directory and the following, repeated several times May 25 23:14:52 william.gayleard.com ksmserver[1395]: QXcbWindow: Unhandled client message: "_NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP" I was more interested in if there was anything significant in the audit.log. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 01:26:49PM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 05/25/2016 05:08 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >I'm running Fedora-24(beta)/KDE, > >and sendmail/email (through KMail) is failing. > >When I try to send email I get the warning "Failed to transmit message", > >and journalctl has the entry > >"sendmail.service: PID file /run/sendmail.pid not readable (yet?) > > after start: No such file or directory". > > I use Sendmail with Systemd on Centos-7 without difficulty. I realize that Centos-7 is somewhat far frmo Fedora, but at least they are cousins, so there ought to be at least a little value in knowing it can be done. > My first suggestion is to run postfix instead. :-) > > Assuming that is not acceptable, what does "systemctl status > sendmail" show? Open a couple of terminal windows, run "tail > -f/var/log/audit/audit.log" in one and "journalctl -f --all" in the > other. Then try "systemctl restart sendmail" and see what output > you get from that and what shows up in those other terminal windows. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." --- Corinthians 5:21 - -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
Samuel Sieb wrote: >> When I try to send email I get the warning "Failed to transmit message", >> and journalctl has the entry >> "sendmail.service: PID file /run/sendmail.pid not readable (yet?) >> after start: No such file or directory". > My first suggestion is to run postfix instead. :-) Thanks for the response. Can I avoid using sendmail for outgoing mail on KMail in that way? > Assuming that is not acceptable, what does "systemctl status sendmail" > show? I just tried this again, and I get much the same error message: --- [tim@william ~]$ sudo systemctl status sendmail sendmail.service - Sendmail Mail Transport Agent ... May 25 18:37:18 william.gayleard.com systemd[1]: Starting Sendmail Mail Transport Agent... May 25 18:37:18 william.gayleard.com sendmail[4789]: starting daemon (8.15.2): SMTP+queueing@01:00:00 May 25 18:37:18 william.gayleard.com systemd[1]: sendmail.service: PID file /run/sendmail.pid not readable (yet?) after start: No such file or directory May 25 18:37:18 william.gayleard.com systemd[1]: Started Sendmail Mail Transport Agent. [tim@william ~]$ sudo cat /run/sendmail.pid 4789 /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -q1h --- > Open a couple of terminal windows, run "tail > -f/var/log/audit/audit.log" in one and "journalctl -f --all" in the > other. Then try "systemctl restart sendmail" and see what output you > get from that and what shows up in those other terminal windows. I tried this; there was a large amount of output, but the only thing that struck me was the same journalctl message again: sendmail.service: PID file /run/sendmail.pid not readable (yet?) after start: No such file or directory and the following, repeated several times May 25 23:14:52 william.gayleard.com ksmserver[1395]: QXcbWindow: Unhandled client message: "_NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP" -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > if you need to run > pre-release F24 for some reason, you've defined yourself as a tester so > reporting problems in the right place is what you're expected to do. I am running F24 (beta) because plasma kept crashing in F23, and I found it didn't crash in F24. I certainly don't define myself as a "tester", and my only aim is to run a mail client that works. -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 22:58 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > For the umteenth time, I'm wondering if it is time > to give up KMail ... I stopped wondering that over 10 years ago, even though I'm a KDE user. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
Tom Horsley wrote: >> I would have hoped that someone who can play with systemd >> in a sensible way might be able to suggest a solution. > But for a (possibly) useful suggesting, you might try > my technique for working around utter failures in systemd > (which always seem to have something to do with networked > services). > > I make sure /etc/rc.d/rc.local is set to executable and > add lines like this to the end: > > /bin/bash -c 'sleep 5 ; systemctl restart ypbind.service' > /dev/null 2>&1 > < /dev/null & > > That starts one of the many services that normally fails > after a 5 second delay following boot. I have a whole list > of this with increasing delay times. Thanks for the suggestion, which I shall try out later. For the moment, I've installed Thunderbird, and am sending email through Tbird and reading email through KMail. I needed a quick replacement, and forgot gmail which also solved the problem. For the umteenth time, I'm wondering if it is time to give up KMail ... > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
On 05/25/2016 05:08 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I'm running Fedora-24(beta)/KDE, and sendmail/email (through KMail) is failing. When I try to send email I get the warning "Failed to transmit message", and journalctl has the entry "sendmail.service: PID file /run/sendmail.pid not readable (yet?) after start: No such file or directory". My first suggestion is to run postfix instead. :-) Assuming that is not acceptable, what does "systemctl status sendmail" show? Open a couple of terminal windows, run "tail -f/var/log/audit/audit.log" in one and "journalctl -f --all" in the other. Then try "systemctl restart sendmail" and see what output you get from that and what shows up in those other terminal windows. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 19:09 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > >> I'm running Fedora-24(beta)/KDE, > >> and sendmail/email (through KMail) is failing. > > > > Then you're on the wrong mailing list. For general F24 issues, use > the > > Fedora Test list (F24 isn't released yet). For KDE issues the > Fedora > > KDE list deals with both current and unreleased versions. > > I agree that that is the theoretical position. > However, people have had the same problem on Fedora 23, > and virtually all versions of Fedora for the last couple of years, > so I doubt if it has anything to do with Fedora-24. > > Do you really think there is likely to be some development > with Fedora-24 before it comes out officially > that will affect this issue. I don't have any idea if it makes a difference, but if you need to run pre-release F24 for some reason, you've defined yourself as a tester so reporting problems in the right place is what you're expected to do. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
On Wed, 25 May 2016 19:09:02 +0100 Timothy Murphy wrote: > I would have hoped that someone who can play with systemd > in a sensible way might be able to suggest a solution. I believe you have just defined the empty set :-). But for a (possibly) useful suggesting, you might try my technique for working around utter failures in systemd (which always seem to have something to do with networked services). I make sure /etc/rc.d/rc.local is set to executable and add lines like this to the end: /bin/bash -c 'sleep 5 ; systemctl restart ypbind.service' > /dev/null 2>&1 < /dev/null & That starts one of the many services that normally fails after a 5 second delay following boot. I have a whole list of this with increasing delay times. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> I'm running Fedora-24(beta)/KDE, >> and sendmail/email (through KMail) is failing. > > Then you're on the wrong mailing list. For general F24 issues, use the > Fedora Test list (F24 isn't released yet). For KDE issues the Fedora > KDE list deals with both current and unreleased versions. I agree that that is the theoretical position. However, people have had the same problem on Fedora 23, and virtually all versions of Fedora for the last couple of years, so I doubt if it has anything to do with Fedora-24. Do you really think there is likely to be some development with Fedora-24 before it comes out officially that will affect this issue. I think it is very unlikely. I will try on the Fedora Test list, though my experience is that the chance of getting a helpful answer there to a question like this is very low. If in fact the issue has something to do with systemd - which seems the general opinion - I would have hoped that someone who can play with systemd in a sensible way might be able to suggest a solution. -- Timothy Murphy gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: systemd/sendmail problem - seeking help!
On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 13:08 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I'm running Fedora-24(beta)/KDE, > and sendmail/email (through KMail) is failing. Then you're on the wrong mailing list. For general F24 issues, use the Fedora Test list (F24 isn't released yet). For KDE issues the Fedora KDE list deals with both current and unreleased versions. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
