Re: texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

 

 





 
 


On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 5:51 AM Patrick Dupre <pdu...@gmx.com> wrote:

Hello,

texlive 2021 is considered as too old now by latex developers
texlive 2022 will come with fc38 if I understand.
Is there any option to be able to run texlive 2022 with fc36?

Is pdflatex or one of the more modern variants an option, rather than using dvi? 

texlive includes lualatex which seems to be the alternative to latex, and it has been udapted in texlive 2022

including the pdf file generation


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Re: texlive

[Neal Becker]

On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 5:51 AM Patrick Dupre  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> texlive 2021 is considered as too old now by latex developers
> texlive 2022 will come with fc38 if I understand.
> Is there any option to be able to run texlive 2022 with fc36?
>
Is pdflatex or one of the more modern variants an option, rather than using
dvi?
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Re: texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

texlive 2021 is considered as too old now by latex developers
texlive 2022 will come with fc38 if I understand.
Is there any option to be able to run texlive 2022 with fc36?

Thank

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> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 11:36 PM
> From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" 
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: texlive
>
> On Tue, 2023-01-10 at 22:22 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > This is the feedback that I got from lyx maintainer about
> > the issue psline (previous message)
> 
> You should post this as a reply to your previous message and keep
> threading intact so people don't have to search for it.
> 
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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2023-01-10 at 22:22 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> This is the feedback that I got from lyx maintainer about
> the issue psline (previous message)

You should post this as a reply to your previous message and keep
threading intact so people don't have to search for it.

poc
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texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

This is the feedback that I got from lyx maintainer about
the issue psline (previous message)

Your texlive is too old for lualatex and pstricks with directly created
pdf without Ghostscript

Herbert

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texlive-newtx math fonts cannot be used

[Enrique Artal]

Dear members of the list,
I filed a bug (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1832320) about some 
problems using a specific package of tex, namely newtxmath.sty. I use it only 
in few documents, and I do not know if it is the case for most Fedora-LaTeX 
users. The bug is confirmed by other users. No pdf is obtained with the message:
 "!pdfTeX error: pdflatex (file ntx-Regular-tlf-ot1r): Font 
ntx-Regular-tlf-ot1r 
at 480 not found
 ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!"
There is a workaround proposed by anoterh user:

$ updmap -user --syncwithtrees
$ updmap -user

There is an issue, with tons of warnings about duplicate fonts, which is 
annoying. Since I do not use this package all the time I found as solution to 
pass the orders above, compile the document, and then delete the folder 
.texlive2019.

I wonder if someone has a better solution. Thanks, Enrique.
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Re: [F29] Command dvipdfmx (texlive) does not work

[Marco Guazzone]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 8:00 PM Jon Ingason  wrote:

>
> You need to install texlive-xetex-7:20180414-28.fc29.x86_64 which
> provide /usr/bin/xdvipdfmx.
>
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> Jon Ingason
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Hi Jon,

Thank you very much. It works.
I'll add your suggestion in the reported bug page.

Best regards,

Marco
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Re: [F29] Command dvipdfmx (texlive) does not work

[Jon Ingason]

Den 2018-12-11 kl. 18:43, skrev Marco Guazzone:
> Hi,
> 
> On my Fedora 29, the command dvipdfmx does not work:
> 
> $ rpm -q texlive-dvipdfmx
> texlive-dvipdfmx-20180414-28.fc29.x86_64
> $ dvipdfmx
> bash: dvipdfmx: command not found
> 
> Indeed, the executable file '/usr/bin/dvipdfmx' is a broken link that
> points to a nonexistent file:
> 
> $ ls -al /usr/bin/dvipdfmx
> lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 9 Nov 26 19:22 /usr/bin/dvipdfmx -> xdvipdfmx
> $ ls -al /usr/bin/xdvipdfmx
> ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/xdvipdfmx': No such file or directory
> 
> I tried to reinstall the texlive-dvipdfmx package with no success.
> I already filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1657755
> 
> I would like to know if some of you has this problem too, and if (s)he
> already found a workaround.
> 
> Thank you in advance for your help.
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
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You need to install texlive-xetex-7:20180414-28.fc29.x86_64 which
provide /usr/bin/xdvipdfmx.

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[F29] Command dvipdfmx (texlive) does not work

[Marco Guazzone]

Hi,

On my Fedora 29, the command dvipdfmx does not work:

$ rpm -q texlive-dvipdfmx
texlive-dvipdfmx-20180414-28.fc29.x86_64
$ dvipdfmx
bash: dvipdfmx: command not found

Indeed, the executable file '/usr/bin/dvipdfmx' is a broken link that
points to a nonexistent file:

$ ls -al /usr/bin/dvipdfmx
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 9 Nov 26 19:22 /usr/bin/dvipdfmx -> xdvipdfmx
$ ls -al /usr/bin/xdvipdfmx
ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/xdvipdfmx': No such file or directory

I tried to reinstall the texlive-dvipdfmx package with no success.
I already filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1657755

I would like to know if some of you has this problem too, and if (s)he
already found a workaround.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Best,

Marco
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Re: fonts in texlive

[Aradenatorix Veckhôm Avecælus]

Hi Patrick:

Sometimees you need to make a texhash on the terminal for update your
texlive distribution. I suspect you are using pdflatex and maybe that's why
you have to install that font in packages. If the compiler you use is
xelatex or lualatex you can use your truetype and opentype fonts that you
have installed.

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Re: fonts in texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

Thank Carlos,

It is fixed,
However,

dnf whatprovides bbold10.pfb
Last metadata expiration check: 3:02:28 ago on Wed 17 Jan 2018 12:36:59 PM CET.
Error: No Matches found

dnf repoquery -l texlive-bbold.noarch | grep bbold10.pfb
Last metadata expiration check: 3:02:51 ago on Wed 17 Jan 2018 12:36:59 PM CET.


Why?

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> From: "Carlos \"casep\" Sepulveda" <ca...@fedoraproject.org>
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" <users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: fonts in texlive
>
> On 17 January 2018 at 12:29, Patrick Dupre <pdu...@gmx.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I installed:
> > texlive-bbold
> >
> > but the font are not installed:
> >
> 
> Salut Patrick,
> The file you need is included in a different package
> 
> [casep@X1Carbon ~]$ sudo dnf repoquery -l texlive-bbold.noarch | grep
> bbold10.pfb
> 
> [casep@X1Carbon ~]$ sudo dnf repoquery -l texlive-bbold-type1.noarch |
> grep bbold10.pfb
> /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/bbold-type1/bbold10.pfb
> 
> You need to install texlive-bbold-type1.noarch
> 
> You can use
> dnf provides */file.not.found.in.latex
> to search for the package that provides the missing file
> 
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Re: fonts in texlive

[Carlos "casep" Sepulveda]

On 17 January 2018 at 12:29, Patrick Dupre <pdu...@gmx.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I installed:
> texlive-bbold
>
> but the font are not installed:
>

Salut Patrick,
The file you need is included in a different package

[casep@X1Carbon ~]$ sudo dnf repoquery -l texlive-bbold.noarch | grep
bbold10.pfb

[casep@X1Carbon ~]$ sudo dnf repoquery -l texlive-bbold-type1.noarch |
grep bbold10.pfb
/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/bbold-type1/bbold10.pfb

You need to install texlive-bbold-type1.noarch

You can use
dnf provides */file.not.found.in.latex
to search for the package that provides the missing file


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Re: fonts in texlive

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/17/18 20:29, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> !pdfTeX error: pdflatex (file bbold10.pfb): cannot open Type 1 font file for 
> re
> ading


I know nothing about textlive but doing a "dnf whatprovides" I see

texlive-bbold-type1-6:svn33143.0-36.fc27.5.noarch : An Adobe Type 1 format 
version
  : of the bbold font
Repo    : fedora
Matched from:
Other   : *bbold10.pfb

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fonts in texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I installed:
texlive-bbold

but the font are not installed:

This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.17 (TeX Live 2016) (preloaded 
format=pdflatex)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./newfile1.tex
LaTeX2e <2016/03/31>
Babel <3.9r> and hyphenation patterns for 8 language(s) loaded.
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2014/09/29 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/bbold/bbold.sty) (./newfile1.aux)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/bbold/Ubbold.fd) [1{/usr/share/texlive
/texmf-dist/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}] (./newfile1.aux) )
!pdfTeX error: pdflatex (file bbold10.pfb): cannot open Type 1 font file for re
ading
 ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

the doc say:
THE BBOLD SYMBOL FONT
  
6 APRIL 1994

This distribution contains the bbold symbol font:

   INSTALL  bbgreeku.mf  bbold.dtxbbold17.mf   bbold8.mf
   README   bbligs.mfbbold.mf bbold5.mfbbold9.mf
   bbbase.mfbblower.mf   bbold10.mf   bbold6.mfbbparams.mf
   bbgreekl.mf  bbnum.mf bbold12.mf   bbold7.mfbbpunc.mf
   bbupper.mf

To install the fonts, you should:

 * run METAFONT on the fonts, for example under Unix you say:

  mf "\mode=localfont; input bbold5;"
  mf "\mode=localfont; input bbold6;"
  mf "\mode=localfont; input bbold7;"
  mf "\mode=localfont; input bbold8;"
  mf "\mode=localfont; input bbold9;"
  mf "\mode=localfont; input bbold12;"
  mf "\mode=localfont; input bbold17;"
 * move bbold*.tfm into a TeX font metrics directory

 * move bbold*.*pk into a TeX bitmaps directory

If you want to use the bbold font in LaTeX2e, you should:

 * run LaTeX2e on bbold.dtx

 * move bbold.sty and Ubbold.fd into a TeX inputs directory

 * read the documentation in bbold.dvi

This file should only be distributed as part of the bbold
distribution.



It seems that an installation file is missing.



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Re: reporting on BZ for texlive-IEEEtran

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 09:59:36 -0400 Tom Horsley <horsley1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 08:47:22 -0500
> Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> 
> > However, it appears that on BZ there is no entry to list it under.
> 
> It isn't documented anywhere, but the redhat bugzilla categories
> all correspond to whatever source RPM originated the file in question.
> 
> Since the Source RPM is texlive, then the plain old texlive name is the
> one to use to report things.
> 
> P.S. The only way to discover this is to report things in the wrong
> category and get chewed out because "everyone knows" that the categories
> correspond to the source RPMs :-).

OK, thanks! I have reported under texlive but so far no one has taken the 
bait:-)

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Re: reporting on BZ for texlive-IEEEtran

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 08:47:22 -0500
Ranjan Maitra wrote:

> However, it appears that on BZ there is no entry to list it under.

It isn't documented anywhere, but the redhat bugzilla categories
all correspond to whatever source RPM originated the file in question.

So, for example:

tomh> rpm -q -i -f /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/IEEEtran
Name: texlive-base
Epoch   : 4
Version : 2014
Release : 19.20140525_r34255.fc23
Architecture: noarch
Install Date: Mon 22 Feb 2016 07:21:37 AM EST
Group   : Applications/Publishing
Size: 7737537
License : Artistic 2.0 and GPLv2 and GPLv2+ and LGPLv2+ and LPPL and MIT 
and Public Domain and UCD and Utopia
Signature   : RSA/SHA256, Wed 17 Feb 2016 10:52:33 AM EST, Key ID 
32474cf834ec9cba

Source RPM  : texlive-2014-19.20140525_r34255.fc23.src.rpm

Build Date  : Tue 16 Feb 2016 05:15:10 PM EST
Build Host  : arm01-builder10.arm.fedoraproject.org
Relocations : (not relocatable)
Packager: Fedora Project
Vendor  : Fedora Project
URL : http://tug.org/texlive/
Summary : TeX Live filesystem, metadata and licenses shipped in text form
Description :
TeX Live licenses shipped in text form.

Since the Source RPM is texlive, then the plain old texlive name is the
one to use to report things.

P.S. The only way to discover this is to report things in the wrong
category and get chewed out because "everyone knows" that the categories
correspond to the source RPMs :-).
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reporting on BZ for texlive-IEEEtran

[Ranjan Maitra]

Hi,

I wanted to report on Bugzilla that the IEEEtran style file was quite outdated 
and needed an update. However, it appears that on BZ there is no entry to list 
it under. The only choices I get there are: texlive-extension, texlive-texmf 
and texlive-texmf-errata and texlive itself. It is in the Fedora 23 updates 
repo so I am confused how to file it. 

The updated cls (yes, I know I can get it down on my own and use it, and that 
is what I am doing now) is at

 http://www.ctan.org/pkg/ieeetran

Many thanks,
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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

Let's also remind the average Word user that setting up a working copy
of LaTeX and learning even the basics of the syntax - and what you
shouldn't do - takes a few extra hours when compared to learning a
What You See Is What You Get like Word.

In defense of Word and Writer (LibreOffice), most publishers of books
that consist mostly of text do use text processors as they are decent
nowadays.

Just a last mention, you can see that everyone on this mailing list
that has used TeX advocates for it. This has to mean something.

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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

Just an addition to George's impressive answer: I only tried Word
equations on 2013 (the version) and it was painfully bad, sometimes
blocking the program for as much as two or three seconds when I was
entering a complex fraction.

However, maybe it was just a bad installation or something that got
fixed in the latest releases.
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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 11:25 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:
> Let's also remind the average Word user that setting up a working
> copy
> of LaTeX and learning even the basics of the syntax - and what you
> shouldn't do - takes a few extra hours when compared to learning a
> What You See Is What You Get like Word.

To quote Brian Kernighan on WYSIWYG systems, they're actually "What You
See Is All You Get" :-)

> In defense of Word and Writer (LibreOffice), most publishers of books
> that consist mostly of text do use text processors as they are decent
> nowadays.

For some values of "decent". Unfortunately they leave too many design
decisions to the author rather than the publisher, and only work
properly if the author resists the temptation to fiddle with style
sheets.

> Just a last mention, you can see that everyone on this mailing list
> that has used TeX advocates for it. This has to mean something.

All very true.

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Re: texlive

[George N. White III]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 13:52 +1030, Tim wrote:
> > Just for curiosity's sake, is academias prolific use of it because
> > its
> > ingrained into them, or does it really outclass the alternatives?
> >
> > I know that in general use, I find Word horrendous.  But I've never
> > tried formulae in it, etc., nor used any word processor as a
> > precision
> > page layout engine, either.
>
> Yes, it really outclasses the alternatives. When it comes to
> typesetting complex equations, it really has no competition. No doubt
> Word can be tortured into producing equation output (I know it has some
> maths setting capability) but the huge advantage of TeX/LaTeX is that
> it's *not* a word processor, it's a document description language and
> typesetter. There are plenty of examples on the Web so I won't repeat
> them here, but as someone who worked on an early typesetting system for
> Cambridge University Press (way back in the 70's) I know how horrendous
> maths copy can be and how well TeX handles it.
>

I formatted my PhD thesis "way back in the 70's" using a CDC mainframe
system with a small character set (no lowercase alphabet). Markup was
needed for capitalization as well as (typewriter-quality) maths.  TeX was
developed on a system that supported 7-bit ASCII.

Since 2007, Word has used a high-quality math layout engine internally.
In short, LaTeX provides structural markup for the low-level TeX engine,
while
current versions of Word provide a GUI for an engine whose capabilities
draw heavily on the ideas  behind TeX) but extended to support UniCode.

See  
for details of how Word has adopted (and extended in areas such as
UniCode math support) the math typesetting infrastructure that grew
up around TeX. Current versions of Word are capable of producing
high-quality
maths, but there are other reasons for the continued importance of TeX-based
systems.

TeX/LaTeX are widely used to format software documentation where
batch processing across unix/linux and Windows systems is required.
There are some massive documents (think about technical manuals for
commercial aircraft) that may need to be be provided in multiple
translations and formats where a TeX-based format makes it
possible to automate much of the formatting.

For technical writing in other than Western-European languages (e.g.,
using UniCOde), open-source TeX-based systems have lagged a few
years behind Word.  Developing  high-quality fonts thru international
standards processes has been slow.  Microsoft can just go ahead and
do things without consulting external bodies.   Since there is still an
important segment of the TeX community using ASCII source format
and a huge number of existing documents that requite updating and
revisions, TeX has to preserve support for legacy documents.   As a
result, we now have two widely used engines, pdfTeX  and luaTeX,
and also multiple backends (dvips, dvipdfmx), bibliographic systems,
and systems for generating graphics in TeX-based documents.

The fact that the TeX-based systems are open-source means that users
with needs that are not handled by Word can often find solutions
using a modern TeX system.

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Re: texlive

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 25.01.2016 um 16:50 schrieb Bernardo Sulzbach:

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Klaus-Peter Schrage  wrote:

when being forced by my
customers to use Word.

Would you mind sharing how common this was?

The publishing house I had been working for usually does their 
typesetting with InDesign, and when it comes to math, they use an 
InDesign plugin called mt.editor.
They also produce materials for teachers like worksheets etc. which are 
supposed to be editable, that's when Word comes into the play - but I 
think now we are drifting a bit OT ...

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Re: texlive

[Beartooth]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:32:04 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:

> On 01/24/2016 12:37 PM, Beartooth wrote:
>>  Is there some reason I don't see to keep this enormous app, or
>> would I be better off just telling dnf to remove it??
> 
> Try removing it with --assumeno to see what else would go away with it.

Many thanks to all who replied! Even the OT comments interested 
me. (I have a BA in pure math.) By way of comparison, my dissertation 
(1970) was typed on an electric typewriter, and cut & pasted with 
scissors and rubber cement; I never touched a computer till the early 
Eighties.

For the record, I never called texlive a word-processor; what I 
did say was that it contained one. (That much was obvious just from 
skimming the list of routines that got updated by dnf.) 

When dnf listed all the things it would delete, I typed the ones 
I thought I might want into a second root prompt after "dnf install", and 
ran it after the deletion finished. That'd've put back a baker's dozen 
items from texlive, plus a couple for qgis, plus a couple of python 
plotters -- stuff I might like, but would probably seldom if ever get 
around to using. 

Again, many thanks to all!



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Re: texlive

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 25.01.2016 um 16:21 schrieb Bernardo Sulzbach:

Just an addition to George's impressive answer: I only tried Word
equations on 2013 (the version) and it was painfully bad, sometimes
blocking the program for as much as two or three seconds when I was
entering a complex fraction.

However, maybe it was just a bad installation or something that got
fixed in the latest releases.


Having edited math textbooks for students 5-12 in my professional live 
and still doing so occasionally after retirement, I found out that I had 
to bite the bullet and pay some Euros for MathType (the formula editor 
Word was a light version of this plugin until 2003, I think) when being 
forced by my customers to use Word.  Only this way  I achieved to 
smoothly integrate formulas into the document fonts.

As far as I know, the MathType engine is tex based.
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Re: texlive

[vendor]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Klaus-Peter Schrage  wrote:

when being forced by my
customers to use Word.


Would you mind sharing how common this was?





It's very common in the Pathology community.  I wrote two book chapters and 
published about 20 articles in the past 5 years, and they all required Word 
documents.  I run Windows XP as a virtual machine specifically so I can take my 
LibreOffice documents and run them through Word to make sure everything works 
before submitting them.  This obviously doesn't involve a lot of equations, but 
it does involve diagrams and illustrations, which can be an issue.

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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Klaus-Peter Schrage  wrote:
> when being forced by my
> customers to use Word.

Would you mind sharing how common this was?


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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 17:15 +, Beartooth wrote:
> Many thanks to all who replied! Even the OT comments
> interested me. (I have a BA in pure math.) By way of comparison, my
> dissertation (1970) was typed on an electric typewriter, and cut &
> pasted with scissors and rubber cement; I never touched a computer
> till the early Eighties.

My PhD thesis (1978) was written on a PDP-11/45 with 6th Edition Unix,
using "em", formatted in Nroff and printed on a Diablo :-) Luckily for
me, there were no formulae in it.

>     For the record, I never called texlive a word-processor; what
> I did say was that it contained one. (That much was obvious just
> from skimming the list of routines that got updated by dnf.) 

At the risk of being pedantic, it doesn't contain a word processor. It
contains a document typesetting system. It has no user interface other
than your favourite text editor (although various GUI-like things have
been developed around it for those interested). Anyway, enough about
that.

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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> At the risk of being pedantic, it doesn't contain a word processor. It
> contains a document typesetting system. It has no user interface other
> than your favourite text editor (although various GUI-like things have
> been developed around it for those interested). Anyway, enough about
> that.
>

Last message I drop in this thread, hopefully. I think it really boils
down to what is your conception of "text processor". Personally, I
agree with you, TeX is not a cousin of LibreOffice Writer.


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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 22:23 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
>  wrote:
> > since probably 99% of researchers in those fields write their
> > papers in TeX or its cousin LaTeX.
> 
> Not only this kind of message annoys statistically inclined
> individuals, it is wrong by, let me say it, an order of magnitude.

You may be right, though I'm not sure by how much. An order of
magnitude would mean only around 10% qualify and I doubt that's the
case. Or maybe you were being as informal as I was ...

> I don't know how many research papers you have read, but the amount
> of crappy MS Word today is real and (educated guess warning) growing.

A quick look at recent preprints in arxiv.org shows e.g. in maths
virtually every paper appears to be in TeX/LaTeX, similarly in physics.
Of course that's a judgment call based on appearance (such as the fonts
used and whether formulae are properly typeset) since most papers don't
say what system they were written in. Certainly the active research
mathematicians I know write exclusively in LaTeX, but I've been out of
the game for some years now.

> In your defense, most **good** STEM papers today are written using
> proper document markup languages and compiled into high quality
> files.

We can agree on that.

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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 13:52 +1030, Tim wrote:
> Just for curiosity's sake, is academias prolific use of it because
> its
> ingrained into them, or does it really outclass the alternatives?
> 
> I know that in general use, I find Word horrendous.  But I've never
> tried formulae in it, etc., nor used any word processor as a
> precision
> page layout engine, either.

Yes, it really outclasses the alternatives. When it comes to
typesetting complex equations, it really has no competition. No doubt
Word can be tortured into producing equation output (I know it has some
maths setting capability) but the huge advantage of TeX/LaTeX is that
it's *not* a word processor, it's a document description language and
typesetter. There are plenty of examples on the Web so I won't repeat
them here, but as someone who worked on an early typesetting system for
Cambridge University Press (way back in the 70's) I know how horrendous
maths copy can be and how well TeX handles it.

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Re: texlive

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 25 January 2016, Bernardo Sulzbach sent:
> I think it really boils down to what is your conception of "text
> processor". 

That keeps getting redefined, over the years.

Early ones were little more than an electric typewriter on screen,
sometimes called an article editor.  Some people consider it a word
processor if you have basic editing features, others just call that a
text editor, and expect some sort of cross-referencing features as a
bare minimum (indexes, bibliographies, etc.).

I think you'll be hard-pressed to find everyone agreeing on what one
basically is, other than pointing at some highly featured one saying,
that's a word processor.

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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/24/2016 12:37 PM, Beartooth wrote:

Is there some reason I don't see to keep this enormous app, or
would I be better off just telling dnf to remove it??


Try removing it with --assumeno to see what else would go away with it.
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Re: texlive

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 22:23:47 -0200 Bernardo Sulzbach 
 wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
>  wrote:
> > since probably 99% of researchers in those fields write their papers in TeX 
> > or its cousin LaTeX.
> 
> Not only this kind of message annoys statistically inclined
> individuals, it is wrong by, let me say it, an order of magnitude.
> 
> I don't know how many research papers you have read, but the amount of
> crappy MS Word today is real and (educated guess warning) growing.

FWIW, I think that if you read Patrick's complete statement, he is not terribly 
inaccurate: he cites Math, Physics, CS -- to that I would add statistics and 
computational methods/OR. If you look at some of the professional societies (eg 
IEEE, ACM, ASA, AMA, etc) that submit style files, you will note that TeX 
overwhelms everything else. 

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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Ranjan Maitra
 wrote:
>
> FWIW, I think that if you read Patrick's complete statement, he is not 
> terribly inaccurate: he cites Math, Physics, CS -- to that I would add 
> statistics and computational methods/OR. If you look at some of the 
> professional societies (eg IEEE, ACM, ASA, AMA, etc) that submit style files, 
> you will note that TeX overwhelms everything else.
>

I said, and quote:

> In your defense, most **good** STEM papers today are written using proper 
> document markup languages and compiled into high quality files.

The associations abovementioned have very high quality standards, much
above average.

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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 21:45 +, Beartooth wrote:
> But I have no idea what it does, except that it seems to contain a
> word processor. So I have no way to guess what other software (if
> any) might call it.

It's the main Linux implementation of TeX. If that doesn't ring a bell
then clearly you've not had a lot of contact with academic publishing,
especially in Maths, Physics or CS, since probably 99% of researchers
in those fields write their papers in TeX or its cousin LaTeX. Calling
it a "word processor" is like calling Mozart a songwriter :-)

However there's certainly no reason to have it on your system if you
don't use it. Feel free to erase the whole shebang. Dnf (or yum) will
warn you before wiping anything else that depends on it.

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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 22:23 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
>  wrote:
> > since probably 99% of researchers in those fields write their
> > papers in TeX or its cousin LaTeX.
> 
> Not only this kind of message annoys statistically inclined
> individuals, it is wrong by, let me say it, an order of magnitude.

You may be right, though I'm not sure by how much. An order of
magnitude would mean only around 10% qualify and I doubt that's the
case. Or maybe you were being as informal as I was ...

> I don't know how many research papers you have read, but the amount
> of crappy MS Word today is real and (educated guess warning) growing.

A quick look at recent preprints in arxiv.org shows e.g. in maths
virtually every paper appears to be in TeX/LaTeX, similarly in physics.
Of course that's a judgment call based on appearance (such as the fonts
used and whether formulae are properly typeset) since most papers don't
say what system they were written in. Certainly the active research
mathematicians I know write exclusively in LaTeX, but I don't read as
many papers now as I used to.

> In your defense, most **good** STEM papers today are written using
> proper document markup languages and compiled into high quality
> files.

We can agree on that.

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Re: texlive

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 25 January 2016, Patrick O'Callaghan sent:
> It's the main Linux implementation of TeX. If that doesn't ring a bell
> then clearly you've not had a lot of contact with academic publishing,
> especially in Maths, Physics or CS, since probably 99% of researchers
> in those fields write their papers in TeX or its cousin LaTeX. Calling
> it a "word processor" is like calling Mozart a songwriter :-) 

Just for curiosity's sake, is academias prolific use of it because its
ingrained into them, or does it really outclass the alternatives?

I know that in general use, I find Word horrendous.  But I've never
tried formulae in it, etc., nor used any word processor as a precision
page layout engine, either.

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Re: texlive

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:52:05 +1030 Tim  wrote:

> Allegedly, on or about 25 January 2016, Patrick O'Callaghan sent:
> > It's the main Linux implementation of TeX. If that doesn't ring a bell
> > then clearly you've not had a lot of contact with academic publishing,
> > especially in Maths, Physics or CS, since probably 99% of researchers
> > in those fields write their papers in TeX or its cousin LaTeX. Calling
> > it a "word processor" is like calling Mozart a songwriter :-) 
> 
> Just for curiosity's sake, is academias prolific use of it because its
> ingrained into them, or does it really outclass the alternatives?

It is not engrained in academia in general, but predominant in things that need 
complicated outlets and equations.

> 
> I know that in general use, I find Word horrendous.  But I've never
> tried formulae in it, etc., nor used any word processor as a precision
> page layout engine, either.

Try out both and see the difference!

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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> since probably 99% of researchers in those fields write their papers in TeX 
> or its cousin LaTeX.

Not only this kind of message annoys statistically inclined
individuals, it is wrong by, let me say it, an order of magnitude.

I don't know how many research papers you have read, but the amount of
crappy MS Word today is real and (educated guess warning) growing.

In your defense, most **good** STEM papers today are written using
proper document markup languages and compiled into high quality files.
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Re: texlive

[Beartooth]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 18:39:09 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:

> Do you even use tex? Can you imagine one program that you make use of
> using it?

As I said originally, afaik, I have never used texlive at all.

But I have no idea what it does, except that it seems to contain 
a word processor. So I have no way to guess what other software (if any) 
might call it.

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Re: texlive

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 21:45:36 + Beartooth <bearto...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 18:39:09 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:
> 
> > Do you even use tex? Can you imagine one program that you make use of
> > using it?
> 
>   As I said originally, afaik, I have never used texlive at all.
> 
>   But I have no idea what it does, except that it seems to contain 
> a word processor. So I have no way to guess what other software (if any) 
> might call it.

Just


sudo dnf erase texlive\-*

and see what it offers to take out with it. If you can live without those, then 
you are in business.

R, for isntance, uses texlive. Also many other packages (eg ImageMagick-perl, 
etc) do.

HTH,
Ranjan


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Re: texlive

[Bernardo Sulzbach]

Do you even use tex? Can you imagine one program that you make use of using it?
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texlive

[Beartooth]

I'm doing dnf upgrade on F23. Like many other times, it's 
updating some humongous number of items involving texlive; It must be a 
huge program.

Afaik, I have never used texlive at all. Unless some other app 
calls it, I seem to be wasting a lot of space -- and maybe exposing my 
machine to a lot of hazards that I'm not competent even to study.

Is there some reason I don't see to keep this enormous app, or 
would I be better off just telling dnf to remove it??
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Re: texlive

[jd1008]

On 01/24/2016 03:01 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 21:45:36 + Beartooth <bearto...@comcast.net> wrote:


On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 18:39:09 -0200, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:


Do you even use tex? Can you imagine one program that you make use of
using it?

As I said originally, afaik, I have never used texlive at all.

But I have no idea what it does, except that it seems to contain
a word processor. So I have no way to guess what other software (if any)
might call it.

Just


sudo dnf erase texlive\-*

and see what it offers to take out with it. If you can live without those, then 
you are in business.

R, for isntance, uses texlive. Also many other packages (eg ImageMagick-perl, 
etc) do.

HTH,
Ranjan

Note:
texlive packages are depended upon by:

atril
atril-caja
atril-devel
atril-libs
compat-guile18
frescobaldi
lilypond
lyx
lyx-common
mathjax
mathjax-ams-fonts
mathjax-caligraphic-fonts
mathjax-fraktur-fonts
mathjax-main-fonts
mathjax-math-fonts
mathjax-sansserif-fonts
mathjax-script-fonts
mathjax-size1-fonts
mathjax-size2-fonts
mathjax-size3-fonts
mathjax-size4-fonts
mathjax-typewriter-fonts
mathjax-winchrome-fonts
mathjax-winie6-fonts
tetex-dvipost

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Re: texlive

[Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus]

Hello:

My suggestion is that no matter which distro are using you, install TeXLive
2013 (
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/133235/installing-tex-live-2013-on-linux)
full or TeXLive 2014 (coming soon) from an iso image from the CTAN (
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/texlive/Images) or another source (
http://www.ctan.org/pkg/eitl). Then you'll be able to get your TeXLive
packages updated and don't depend of the likes and decisions from the
people who develops Fedora or another distro, who thinks about the average
user and sometimes for that, is that you have issues when you are out of
the average usage.

Good luck
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Re: texlive

[Michael Schwendt]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 01:04:22 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote:

 ! Package babel Error: Unknown option `french'. Either you misspelled it
 (babel)                or the language definition file french.ldf was not 
 found
 .
 
 Is it a lyx of a fedora issue?

That question isn't interesting.

More interesting would be to ask: Is it due to incorrect usage by the user
or a problem in the packaged software?

Why? Because if it were a problem in the software (or the packages)
as included with Fedora 20, it would be a problem affecting Fedora 20
and ought to be reported. Even more so, if you can rule out that you've
made a mistake.
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texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

It looks like that in the fedora20, in the package texlive-babel
the following file:
/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/french.ldf
has been replaced by:
/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/francais.ldf

which becomes incompatible with lyx which only manages french.

Is it intentional or a bug?

Thank.

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Re: texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

 
 Hello,
 
 It looks like that in the fedora20, in the package texlive-babel
 the following file:
 /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/french.ldf
 has been replaced by:
 /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/francais.ldf
 
 which becomes incompatible with lyx which only manages french.
 
 Is it intentional or a bug?
 
 Thank.
 
Maybe this is not correct. In fact frenchb.ldf is missing in texlive-babel
(as well as frenchb.cfg)
while is was present in fedora 18. I cannot find a frenchb.ldf while
it seems to be required by lyx!


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Re: texlive

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/26/14 07:44, Patrick Dupre wrote:

 Hello,

 It looks like that in the fedora20, in the package texlive-babel
 the following file:
 /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/french.ldf
 has been replaced by:
 /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/francais.ldf

 which becomes incompatible with lyx which only manages french.

 Is it intentional or a bug?

 Thank.

 Maybe this is not correct. In fact frenchb.ldf is missing in texlive-babel
 (as well as frenchb.cfg)
 while is was present in fedora 18. I cannot find a frenchb.ldf while
 it seems to be required by lyx!

3:texlive-babel-french-svn31136.2.6e-3.fc20.noarch : Babel contributed support 
for
   : French
Repo: fedora
Matched from:
Filename: /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-french/frenchb.ldf
Other   : tex(frenchb.ldf) = 2013

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Re: texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

 - Original Message -
 From: Ed Greshko
 Sent: 01/26/14 12:49 AM
 To: Community support for Fedora users
 Subject: Re: texlive
 
 On 01/26/14 07:44, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  It looks like that in the fedora20, in the package texlive-babel
  the following file:
  /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/french.ldf
  has been replaced by:
  /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/babelbib/francais.ldf
 
  which becomes incompatible with lyx which only manages french.
 
  Is it intentional or a bug?
 
  Thank.
 
  Maybe this is not correct. In fact frenchb.ldf is missing in texlive-babel
  (as well as frenchb.cfg)
  while is was present in fedora 18. I cannot find a frenchb.ldf while
  it seems to be required by lyx!
 
 3:texlive-babel-french-svn31136.2.6e-3.fc20.noarch : Babel contributed 
 support for
  : French
 Repo : fedora
 Matched from:
 Filename : /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-french/frenchb.ldf
 Other : tex(frenchb.ldf) = 2013
 
 ??
 
OK,

I do not understand what is going on.
texlive-frenchle delivers french.ldf (in fedora 18 there is no french.ldf
but a frenchb.ldf provided by texlixe-babel).

but lyx complains:

dist/tex/generic/babel/babel.def
File: babel.def 2013/12/03 3.9h Babel common definitions
\babel@savecnt=\count90
\U@D=\dimen107
)
\l@british = a dialect from \language\l@english 
\l@UKenglish = a dialect from \language\l@english 
\l@canadian = a dialect from \language\l@american 
\l@australian = a dialect from \language\l@british 
\l@newzealand = a dialect from \language\l@british 
)

! Package babel Error: Unknown option `french'. Either you misspelled it
(babel)                or the language definition file french.ldf was not found
.

Is it a lyx of a fedora issue?


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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Thomas Waldecker]

Hi,

I installed texlive from the install.sh script. It worked after installing
some perl modules which are easily to discover.

The texlive package manager worked better for me than the fedora
repositories. Especially if you are going to use xelatex which I recommend.

Thomas


2013/4/12 Rolf Turner r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz

 On 04/12/2013 01:12 AM, Mike Williams wrote:

 SNIP


  The texlive that comes with fedora 17 is texlive 2007, the version from
 the tug link is texlive 2013.  On my system I used yum to remove texlive,
 then downloaded the .iso from tug, mounted the iso, installed from that and
 it works fine.


 OK.  I have managed to download the iso, mounted it, cd-ed to the mount
 point,
 and run ./install-tl.  Turned out I had to sudo the command (which seems
 inconsistent
 with the instructions on the TUG web page, but never mind).  I set the
 PATH environment
 variable in my .cshrc file, and things seemed to work.

 But ***then*** I tried to run latex on a file for a talk that I have to
 give in a week's time,
 and all hell broke loose.  The talk makes use of the powerdot class, and
 when I do
 latex on it, I get:

  ! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF mode.

 See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
 Type  H return  for immediate help.
  ...

 l.55   }\@ehc

 But powerdot is incompatible with pdfTeX.

 It ***used to*** work!!!  (Why do these things always happen
 to ***me***?)

 I have attached a file demo.tex to demonstrate the problem.

 What do I need to do to get things to work?  (Panic is starting
 to set in.)

 Thanks for any insight.

 cheers,

 Rolf Turner

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Suvayu Ali]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:09:42PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
 ! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF mode.
 
 See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
 Type  H return  for immediate help.
  ...
 
 l.55   }\@ehc
 But powerdot is incompatible with pdfTeX.
 
 It ***used to*** work!!!  (Why do these things always happen
 to ***me***?)
 
 I have attached a file demo.tex to demonstrate the problem.
 
 What do I need to do to get things to work?  (Panic is starting
 to set in.)

I do not know what used to work, but I tested your TeX file.  The
document class you are using seems to be incompatible with pdftex, as
mentioned in the error message.  However using plain LaTeX works.

Try this:

$ latex demo.tex
$ dvips demo.dvi
$ ps2pdf demo.ps

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/12/13 08:09, Rolf Turner wrote:
 On 04/12/2013 01:12 AM, Mike Williams wrote:

 SNIP

 The texlive that comes with fedora 17 is texlive 2007, the version from the 
 tug link is texlive 2013.  On my system I used yum to remove texlive, then 
 downloaded the .iso from tug, mounted the iso, installed from that and it 
 works fine.

 OK.  I have managed to download the iso, mounted it, cd-ed to the mount 
 point,
 and run ./install-tl.  Turned out I had to sudo the command (which seems 
 inconsistent
 with the instructions on the TUG web page, but never mind).  I set the PATH 
 environment
 variable in my .cshrc file, and things seemed to work.

 But ***then*** I tried to run latex on a file for a talk that I have to give 
 in a week's time,
 and all hell broke loose.  The talk makes use of the powerdot class, and when 
 I do
 latex on it, I get:

 ! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF mode.

 See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
 Type  H return  for immediate help.
  ...

 l.55   }\@ehc
 But powerdot is incompatible with pdfTeX.

 It ***used to*** work!!!  (Why do these things always happen
 to ***me***?)

 I have attached a file demo.tex to demonstrate the problem.

 What do I need to do to get things to work?  (Panic is starting
 to set in.)

 Thanks for any insight.



First, I am not a Latex user.  But decided to try your demo file on an 
F17 system where I installed using yum...   I think it is OK?

[egreshko@f17x ~]$ latex demo.tex
This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6)
 %-line parsing enabled.
entering extended mode
(./demo.tex
LaTeX2e 2005/12/01
Babel v3.8h and hyphenation patterns for english, usenglishmax, dumylang, noh
yphenation, arabic, basque, bulgarian, coptic, welsh, czech, slovak, german, ng
erman, danish, esperanto, spanish, catalan, galician, estonian, farsi, finnish,
 french, greek, monogreek, ancientgreek, croatian, hungarian, interlingua, ibyc
us, indonesian, icelandic, italian, latin, mongolian, dutch, norsk, polish, por
tuguese, pinyin, romanian, russian, slovenian, uppersorbian, serbian, swedish,
turkish, ukenglish, ukrainian, loaded.
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/powerdot/powerdot.cls
Document Class: powerdot 2005/12/06 v1.3 powerdot presentation class (HA,CE)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xkeyval/xkeyval.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xkeyval/xkeyval.tex
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xkeyval/keyval.tex)))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/fleqn.clo)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2005/09/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size12.clo)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/geometry/geometry.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/hyperref.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/pd1enc.def)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/hyperref.cfg)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/oberdiek/kvoptions.sty)
Implicit mode ON; LaTeX internals redefined
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ltxmisc/url.sty))
*hyperref using driver hdvips*
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/hdvips.def
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/pdfmark.def))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphicx.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/graphics.cfg)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/dvips.def)))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/pstricks/pstricks.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/pstricks/pstricks.tex
`PSTricks' v1.15  2006/12/22 (tvz)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/pstricks/pstricks.con))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xcolor/xcolor.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/color.cfg)))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/enumitem/enumitem.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/tools/verbatim.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/powerdot/powerdot-fyma.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/pst-grad/pst-grad.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/pst-grad/pst-grad.tex
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xkeyval/pst-xkey.tex)
`pst-plot' v1.05, 2006/11/04 (tvz,dg,hv)
No file demo.aux.
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/ot1phv.fd)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/nameref.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/oberdiek/refcount.sty))

Package hyperref Warning: Rerun to get /PageLabels entry.


LaTeX Warning: Reference `lastslide' on page 1 undefined on input line 20.

[1]

LaTeX Warning: Reference `lastslide' on page 2 undefined on input line 24.

[2] (./demo.aux)

LaTeX Warning: There were undefined references.


LaTeX Warning: Label(s) may have changed. Rerun to get cross-references right.

 )
Output written on demo.dvi (2 pages, 8576 bytes).
Transcript written on demo.log.





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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Ed,

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 02:46:52PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
 First, I am not a Latex user.  But decided to try your demo
 file on an F17 system where I installed using yum...  I think it
 is OK?
 
 [egreshko@f17x ~]$ latex demo.tex

[...]

I think the OP expected it to work with pdflatex.  The document class he
is using is incompatible with pdflatex and has to processed the old
school way.  At least that is what I found from my test[1].

Footnotes:

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Rolf Turner]

No.  I certainly ***DID NOT*** expect it to work with pdflatex!!!  Please
read what I wrote.   It's very irritating to be taken for a moron when 
one is

only an idiot studying hard to be a moron and flunking the course!

I said ***explicitly*** that powerdot is not compatible with pdftex.  
I did

latex demo, ***NOT*** pdflatex demo and got the error that I reported.

But there are two further things to note:

(1) Looking more closely at the screen output from the latex command
I see now that it starts with

This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13 (TeX Live 2012)
  restricted \write18 enabled.

I then did which latex and got, as expected (since I'd made the 
appropriate

modification to my PATH) /usr/local/texlive /2012/bin/x86_64-linux/latex.

So I looked at /usr/local/texlive /2012/bin/x86_64-linux/latex and this 
turns
out to be a symbolic link to /usr/local/texlive 
/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/pdftex.


So it seems that I was inadvertently using *pdftex*.  This seems to be
simply what happens under texlive2012.

(2) Now here's the ***REALLY WEIRD THING***:   I have not changed
*anything* about my set-up since my previous post on this topic. I swear
to God!!! Yet now when I do

latex demo

I no longer get the error message that I previously got.  How could this 
*possibly*

happen?  It couldn't.  But it did.

Redoing latex demo eliminated some warning messages that appeared, doing
dvips demo runs without any sort of problem.

But then doing ps2pdf demo produces the error:


Error: /undefinedfilename in (demo)
Operand stack:

Execution stack:
   %interp_exit   .runexec2   --nostringval-- --nostringval--   
--nostringval--   2   %stopped_push --nostringval--   
--nostringval--   --nostringval--   false 1   %stopped_push

Dictionary stack:
   --dict:1168/1684(ro)(G)--   --dict:0/20(G)-- --dict:77/200(L)--
Current allocation mode is local
Last OS error: No such file or directory
GPL Ghostscript 9.06: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1


So I need somehow to get an installation of texlive where latex really 
means

***latex*** and not pdftex.  How the hell do I arrange that?

cheers,

Rolf Turner


On 04/12/2013 09:23 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:

Hi Ed,

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 02:46:52PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

First, I am not a Latex user.  But decided to try your demo
file on an F17 system where I installed using yum...  I think it
is OK?

[egreshko@f17x ~]$ latex demo.tex

[...]

I think the OP expected it to work with pdflatex.  The document class he
is using is incompatible with pdflatex and has to processed the old
school way.  At least that is what I found from my test[1].

Footnotes:

[1] http://mid.gmane.org/20130412063253.ga5...@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Suvayu Ali]

Hello Rolf,

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:37:43PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
 
 I said ***explicitly*** that powerdot is not compatible with pdftex.  I
 did
 latex demo, ***NOT*** pdflatex demo and got the error that I reported.

A little patience and being concise helps a lot.  If you knew that, why
do you use the package hypdestopt?  As the error in your previous
message says, it requires pdftex.

 ! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF mode.
 See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
 Type  H return  for immediate help.
  ...

 l.55   }\@ehc

So either change from powerdot to something that is supported in pdftex
(beamer, prosper, etc) or do not use hypdestopt.

 But there are two further things to note:
 
 (1) Looking more closely at the screen output from the latex command

[...]

 So it seems that I was inadvertently using *pdftex*.  This seems to be
 simply what happens under texlive2012.

[...]

 So I need somehow to get an installation of texlive where latex really
 means
 ***latex*** and not pdftex.  How the hell do I arrange that?

This is intentional.  All modern TeX distributions symlink latex,
pdflatex, etc to pdftex.  pdftex figures out what it should run as by
looking at the calling name (arg 0 in technical parlance).

This is the same for most shells, for example.

lrwxrwxrwx. 1 user user   6 Aug 15  2009 
/opt/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/latex - pdftex
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 user user 1721312 Jun 28  2012 
/opt/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/pdftex

lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root  4 Mar 17 01:09 /bin/sh - bash
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 978160 Mar 11 21:18 /bin/bash

Next time when you post a minimal example, make sure it actually
replicates the problem.  Including the line \usepackage{hypdestopt}
replicates your error message from the earlier post.

Hope this helps,

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17 --- Solved?

[Rolf Turner]

Further to my previous message:  Maybe I *am* a moron and not just
an idiot studying hard to be one.  I realized that I should have been doing

ps2pdf demo.ps

not

ps2pdf demo

and *that* was the source of the error that I was getting.

So it all seems to be working now.  I guess the problem is solved.

I still don't understand why the error that I originally got, relating to
hypdestopt went away.  I really didn't change ***ANYTHING*** in the
interim.  I did not reboot; I didn't even log out and log back in.

It is utterly mystifying.

cheers,

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Rolf Turner]

Please see inline below.

On 04/12/2013 10:29 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:

Hello Rolf,

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:37:43PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:

I said ***explicitly*** that powerdot is not compatible with pdftex.  I
did
latex demo, ***NOT*** pdflatex demo and got the error that I reported.

A little patience and being concise helps a lot.  If you knew that, why
do you use the package hypdestopt?  As the error in your previous
message says, it requires pdftex.

I don't, didn't, never have, and never will use hypdestopt!!! Do you
see any reference to hypdestopt in the demo code?

I figured that it had to come from somewhere in the bowels of powerdot.
God knows where.

But for some reason unknown to me (nor presumably to the rest of
humanity) powerdot has ceased and desisted from trying to use 
hypdestopt.
I repeat (again and again):  I MADE NO CHANGES.  Yet the error in 
respect

or hypdestopt went away.  Go figure.

! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF mode.
See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
Type  H return  for immediate help.
  ...

l.55   }\@ehc

So either change from powerdot to something that is supported in pdftex
(beamer, prosper, etc) or do not use hypdestopt.


But there are two further things to note:

(1) Looking more closely at the screen output from the latex command

[...]


So it seems that I was inadvertently using *pdftex*.  This seems to be
simply what happens under texlive2012.

[...]


So I need somehow to get an installation of texlive where latex really
means
***latex*** and not pdftex.  How the hell do I arrange that?

This is intentional.  All modern TeX distributions symlink latex,
pdflatex, etc to pdftex.  pdftex figures out what it should run as by
looking at the calling name (arg 0 in technical parlance).

This is the same for most shells, for example.

lrwxrwxrwx. 1 user user   6 Aug 15  2009 
/opt/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/latex - pdftex
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 user user 1721312 Jun 28  2012 
/opt/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/pdftex

lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root  4 Mar 17 01:09 /bin/sh - bash
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 978160 Mar 11 21:18 /bin/bash

Next time when you post a minimal example, make sure it actually
replicates the problem.  Including the line \usepackage{hypdestopt}
replicates your error message from the earlier post.

But I ***did not have*** \usepackage{hypdestopt} in my demo
code.  It would never have entered my head to include that bit of code.

cheers,

Rolf Turner
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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Rolf,

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:43:50PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
 I don't, didn't, never have, and never will use hypdestopt!!! Do you
 see any reference to hypdestopt in the demo code?
 
 I figured that it had to come from somewhere in the bowels of powerdot.
 God knows where.

The error message (quoted below) suggests otherwise.  If powerdot is
incompatible with pdftex, how can it have a dependency on a package that
works only with pdftex?  Don't you see the contradiction here?

 ! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF mode.
 See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
 Type  H return  for immediate help.
   ...
 
 l.55   }\@ehc

In any case, it seems your problem has been solved.  So I guess all
discussion is moot now.

Good luck with your presentation.

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 21:37 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:

 So I need somehow to get an installation of texlive where latex really 
 means
 ***latex*** and not pdftex.  How the hell do I arrange that?
 

I'm a bit late to this party, but Jindrich Novy's Fedora TeXLive repo
for F17 works well.  This has been integrated into F18 as the default
LaTeX subsystem.  The older TeXLive packaging system (the default in
F17) didn't work very well at all, which I guess has been your
experience.

Contra the purists here, my advice would be to wipe all traces of
TeXLive--either RPMs or native install--and install this one.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive#TeX_Live_2012_2


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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Antonio Olivares]

 I said ***explicitly*** that powerdot is not compatible with pdftex.
 I did
 latex demo, ***NOT*** pdflatex demo and got the error that I
 reported.
 

You may install kerTeX^{1} and in there latex is latex :)
If you don't have Development Tools/Libraries installed do, 
# yum installgroup Development Tools
and install 
# yum install flex-static
or 
# yum install flex-devel 

lftp should be installed in the system and configure it :
$ cat ~/.lftp/rc EOT
 set ssl:verify-certificate no
 EOT
$

Then try the installation with
$ wget wget http://downloads.kergis.com/kertex/get_mk_install.sh
$ chmod +x get_mk_install.sh
$ ./get_mk_install.sh
should compile kerTeX for you, then add the package latex 
$ wget http://downloads.kergis.com/kertex/latex.sh
$ chmod +x latex.sh
$ ./latex.sh install

and it would install latex.  Look at the available packages in the main 
website.  
NOTE: some packages (beamer, pgf, hyperref) and others are currently 
unavailable for kerTeX, but can be added later via a package script.  See 
Packages section in {1}. 


{1} http://www.kergis.com/en/kertex.html

Also, you can have texlive from (main sources), from fedora 
repositories(through yum) and you may choose which tex you can run.  I have 
both installed kertex and texlive on several machines and some just the one one 
installs from texlive dvd.  I see now that fedora has texlive-scheme-full 
available and hopefully that should take care of almost all the TeXing/LaTeXing 
needs.  Also you can refer to a previous thread I created in fedora users 
list^{2}:

{2} http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2012-March/415359.html

But for a while now, the default format would be pdftex/pdflatex and not plain 
TeX or LaTeX.  I don't know the main reasons for this, but my best guess is 
that the TeXLive folks 

Best Regards,


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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17 --- Solved?

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/12/2013 03:32 AM, Rolf Turner wrote:

I realized that I should have been doing

 ps2pdf demo.ps

not

 ps2pdf demo

and *that* was the source of the error that I was getting.


Brain fart.  Don't worry about it.  Tish happens.  If you want to know 
about one that had me going round in circles for several hours recently, 
email me off-list.

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17 --- Solved?

[Rolf Turner]

On 04/13/2013 05:16 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 04/12/2013 03:32 AM, Rolf Turner wrote:

I realized that I should have been doing

 ps2pdf demo.ps

not

 ps2pdf demo

and *that* was the source of the error that I was getting.


Brain fart.  Don't worry about it.  Tish happens.  If you want to know 
about one that had me going round in circles for several hours 
recently, email me off-list.


Sure!  Tell me about it.  It's comforting to know that I am not alone
in having these, uh, mental lapses. :-)

cheers,

Rolf
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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17 --- Solved?

[Rolf Turner]

Sorry, I did not mean to send my previous message to the list, since
Joe Zeff had asked to email him off-list.  I just clicked on Reply 
thinking

my message would just go to the sender.  (I didn't click on Reply List
or Reply All.)  And then I didn't notice that the To field was the list
until after I sent it.  (So Thunderbird messes around too; it's not just
LaTeX! :-) )

Apologies.

cheers,

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Rolf Turner]

On 04/12/2013 11:35 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:

Hi Rolf,

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:43:50PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:

 I don't, didn't, never have, and never will use hypdestopt!!! Do you
 see any reference to hypdestopt in the demo code?

 I figured that it had to come from somewhere in the bowels of powerdot.
 God knows where.

The error message (quoted below) suggests otherwise.  If powerdot is
incompatible with pdftex, how can it have a dependency on a package that
works only with pdftex?  Don't you see the contradiction here?


All I can tell you is that I ***did*** initially get that error message 
doing latex demo

and there was no reference to hypdestopt in the code of demo.tex.  I am
no longer getting the error, which is utterly mysterious, so I cannot 
reproduce it

to prove my case.

If you run latex demo and examine demo.log you will see many references
to oberdiek; it is in the oberdiek package that hypdestopt.sty lives.  
I don't

know what is going on, but I certainly made no reference to hypdestop nor
to oberdiek in any code that I wrote.

cheers,

Rolf Turner
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Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Rolf Turner]

Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)

I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
by re-installing texlive.

I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from

http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html

unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed

./install.tl

as per instructions.  I got an error message:
Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg 
/usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 
/usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl 
/usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 
199.

BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53.


I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me.

I presume that I need to update *something* w.r.t. perl, but it is not 
at all

clear to me what I need to do.  Doing yum search perl gave a plethora of
hits.   I have no idea which are the relevant ones.  Then yum search perl5
basically turned up perl-pgsql_perl5.x86_64. What has pgsql got to do with
the price of eggs in China?

Can anyone suggest what I need to do to remedy the problem?

I have no idea what extra information is relevant, so I have not tried
to provide any.  If some Good Samaritan would like more information
about my set-up, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to
supply it.

I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping lacunae
in my knowledge, so please be patient with me.

cheers,

Rolf Turner

P. S. I originally posted this query to texhax, but was told that this is a
Fedora issue not a texlive issue, and that I should post to this list.

R. T.

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/11/13 17:03, Rolf Turner wrote:

 Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
 previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
 switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)

 I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
 by re-installing texlive.

 I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from

 http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html

 unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed

 ./install.tl

How had you installed texlive previously on F17?

Did you not install it with

yum install texlive

for a reason?


 as per instructions.  I got an error message:
 Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg 
 /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl 
 /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at 
 tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
 Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53.

yum install perl-Digest-MD5 will get you Digest/MD5.pm


 I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me.

 I presume that I need to update *something* w.r.t. perl, but it is not at all
 clear to me what I need to do.  Doing yum search perl gave a plethora of
 hits.   I have no idea which are the relevant ones.  Then yum search perl5
 basically turned up perl-pgsql_perl5.x86_64. What  has pgsql got to do with
 the price of eggs in China?

 Can anyone suggest what I need to do to remedy the problem?

 I have no idea what extra information is relevant, so I have not tried
 to provide any.  If some Good Samaritan would like more information
 about my set-up, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to
 supply it.

 I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping lacunae
 in my knowledge, so please be patient with me.

 cheers,

 Rolf Turner

 P. S. I originally posted this query to texhax, but was told that this is a
 Fedora issue not a texlive issue, and that I should post to this list.

 R. T.





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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Rolf Turner]

I'm not completely sure if I installed texlive using yum, or if texlive came
with the initial install of Fedora 17.  My vague recollection is that 
there was

a latex facility that came with Fedora 17 but it was incomplete, and that
I did indeed do yum install texlive to fix things up.

Now when I do yum install texlive it tells me that I have the latest 
version

and that there is nothing to do.

*BUT* there are flakes.  Toy example:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[UKenglish]{isodate}
\cleanlookdateon
\begin{document}
Today's date is: \today.
\end{document}

When I run latex I get the error:

! LaTeX Error: File `isodate.sty' not found.

But if I ask (in the shell) locate isodate I get:

/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/doc/latex/isodate
/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/isodate

However the directory /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/isodate
is empty.

I thought that this might be rectified by doing an install from the
texlive web site.  But then I (as described in my initial post) got stymied
by a deficiency in my system in respect of perl.

Now that I look, it seems that almost all of the directories in
/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/doc/latex are empty.  (There are
exceptions, e.g. amsmath.)

Is there some incantation that I can invoke, via yum, to get these
directories filled up?

Thanks.

cheers,

Rolf Turner

On 04/11/2013 09:20 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 04/11/13 17:03, Rolf Turner wrote:

Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)

I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
by re-installing texlive.

I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from

 http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html

unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed

 ./install.tl

How had you installed texlive previously on F17?

Did you not install it with

yum install texlive

for a reason?


as per instructions.  I got an error message:

Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg 
/usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl 
/usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at 
tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53.

yum install perl-Digest-MD5 will get you Digest/MD5.pm


I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me.

I presume that I need to update *something* w.r.t. perl, but it is not at all
clear to me what I need to do.  Doing yum search perl gave a plethora of
hits.   I have no idea which are the relevant ones.  Then yum search perl5
basically turned up perl-pgsql_perl5.x86_64. What  has pgsql got to do with
the price of eggs in China?

Can anyone suggest what I need to do to remedy the problem?

I have no idea what extra information is relevant, so I have not tried
to provide any.  If some Good Samaritan would like more information
about my set-up, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to
supply it.

I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping lacunae
in my knowledge, so please be patient with me.

 cheers,

 Rolf Turner

P. S. I originally posted this query to texhax, but was told that this is a
Fedora issue not a texlive issue, and that I should post to this list.

 R. T.

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Mike Williams]

 On 04/11/2013 09:20 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

 On 04/11/13 17:03, Rolf Turner wrote:

 Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
 previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had
 to
 switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)

 I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
 by re-installing texlive.

 I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from

  http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html


The texlive that comes with fedora 17 is texlive 2007, the version from the
tug link is texlive 2013.  On my system I used yum to remove texlive, then
downloaded the .iso from tug, mounted the iso, installed from that and it
works fine.

Mike
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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Michael Schwendt]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:03:23 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:

 
 Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
 previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
 switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)
 
 I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
 by re-installing texlive.
 
 I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from
 
 http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html
 
 unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed
 
  ./install.tl
 
 as per instructions.  I got an error message:
  Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg 
  /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 
  /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl 
  /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 
  199.
  BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
  Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
  BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53.
 
 I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me.

Do you read from bottom to top? In the first line it says it cannot locate
Perl module Digest/MD5.pm, so that's what you should install first.
Package perl-Digest-MD5 (or whatever includes the needed module). You
may search remove package repositories with Yum or repoquery.

 I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping lacunae
 in my knowledge, so please be patient with me.

I would begin with using the TeX Live that is included with Fedora 17,
install optional packages as needed and don't mix with stuff installed
from source.

# yum list texlive\*|wc -l
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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Susi Lehtola]

Quoting Rolf Turner r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz:


Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)

I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
by re-installing texlive.

I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from


Don't install stuff manually when things have already been packages.  
Fedora 18 features a complete TeXLive 2012 distribution; you can also  
get it on Fedora 17 by


# yum remove tex-* texlive-*
# cat  /etc/yum.repos.d/texlive.repo EOF
[texlive]
name=texlive
baseurl=http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/texlive/2012/packages.f17/
enabled=1
gpgcheck=0
EOF
# yum install texlive-scheme-full

after which you will have a full blown TeXLive install.

Alternatively, you can update to Fedora 18 and just do the last bit.

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[George Avrunin]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:46:15 +0300, Susi Lehtola
jussileht...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 Don't install stuff manually when things have already been packages.  
 Fedora 18 features a complete TeXLive 2012 distribution; you can also  
 get it on Fedora 17 by

Except that I think Fedora installs the versions from the TeX Live svn
repository, so the binary versions you get may not be the same as if you
install from TeX Live 2012.  There have been times when the repository had
broken binaries. I haven't personally had any problems with the Fedora 18
stuff, but I don't run XeTeX, ConTeXt, etc., and if the problem is getting
LaTeX to work on a file that worked previously, this sort of thing might be an
issue.  

  George




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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Suvayu Ali]

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:31:17PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
 
 I'm not completely sure if I installed texlive using yum, or if texlive came
 with the initial install of Fedora 17.  My vague recollection is that there
 was
 a latex facility that came with Fedora 17 but it was incomplete, and that
 I did indeed do yum install texlive to fix things up.
 
 Now when I do yum install texlive it tells me that I have the latest
 version
 and that there is nothing to do.

If disk space is not an issue, do yum install texlive\*.  Otherwise do
yum list texlive\* and pick the packages you want to install.

FWIW, I think installing TeXLive from the iso from TUG is the most
reliable and easy to maintain.  I switched to this few years back and
have never looked back.

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Re: Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Rolf Turner]

On 04/12/2013 01:12 AM, Mike Williams wrote:

SNIP

The texlive that comes with fedora 17 is texlive 2007, the version 
from the tug link is texlive 2013.  On my system I used yum to remove 
texlive, then downloaded the .iso from tug, mounted the iso, installed 
from that and it works fine.


OK.  I have managed to download the iso, mounted it, cd-ed to the 
mount point,
and run ./install-tl.  Turned out I had to sudo the command (which seems 
inconsistent
with the instructions on the TUG web page, but never mind).  I set the 
PATH environment

variable in my .cshrc file, and things seemed to work.

But ***then*** I tried to run latex on a file for a talk that I have to 
give in a week's time,
and all hell broke loose.  The talk makes use of the powerdot class, and 
when I do

latex on it, I get:


! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF mode.

See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
Type  H return  for immediate help.
 ...

l.55   }\@ehc

But powerdot is incompatible with pdfTeX.

It ***used to*** work!!!  (Why do these things always happen
to ***me***?)

I have attached a file demo.tex to demonstrate the problem.

What do I need to do to get things to work?  (Panic is starting
to set in.)

Thanks for any insight.

cheers,

Rolf Turner
\documentclass[
size=12pt,
paper=screen,
mode=present,
display=slides,
style=fyma,
fleqn
]{powerdot}
%
\title{A Load of Dingos' Kidneys}
\author{Rolf Turner\\
School of Hard Knocks
}
\date{38 Cunnegonda, 54 BC}
%
% End preamble.
\begin{document}
\maketitle
%
\begin{slide}{Introduction}
\begin{itemize}
\item This talk is a load of dingos' kidneys.
\end{itemize}
\end{slide}
%
\end{document}
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Re: texlive

[Timothy Murphy]

Tethys wrote:

 TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
 there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
 critical bug reports.

I use LaTeX and Metafont under Fedora-17 and Fedora-18 quite a lot,
and have had no problems.

 ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
 in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
 problematic.

I don't regard conTeXt as a part of TeX/LaTeX.


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Re: texlive

[Suvayu Ali]

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 02:24:52PM +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 Tethys wrote:
 
  ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
  in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
  problematic.
 
 I don't regard conTeXt as a part of TeX/LaTeX.

That is a rather weird statement.  ConTeXt is a macro package for TeX
typesetting engines, so I would say LaTeX and ConTeXt are alternate
solutions based on the same core and are both part of the collection of
software often known as TeX and friends.  It is also part of the TeXLive
distribution.

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Re: texlive

[Suvayu Ali]

On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 08:44:34PM -0500, George Avrunin wrote:
 On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:47:52 +, Tethys wrote:
 
  I tried various
  other options and ended up with ConTeXt, which I'm generally pretty
  happy with. Except that it doesn't work on F17. At all. And yes, I do
  mind migrating. For new projects, it's not so bad. But for already
  published books, if I want to do a second printing, I want to correct
  a few typos, run make and have a fully typeset PDF that I can send off
  the the printers. I can't currently do that, and retypesetting the
  whole thing in an alternative tool simply isn't a viable option.
  
  Tet
  
 
 Have you tried installing TeX Live directly from CTAN (e.g., download
 install-tl-unx.tar.gz and perhaps update regularly using tlmgr)?  If
 there's a problem with the F17 version, it's possible that the actual TeX
 Live 2012, updated from CTAN, would solve it.  I don't use ConTeXt (and
 I'm on F18 now), so I can't say anything about that.  But on F17 I used
 TeX Live from CTAN, not the Fedora rpms, and everything I use worked
 fine.  (I haven't had any problems with the one from the rpms on F18 yet
 either, but ...)

I will second the TeXLive distribution from CTAN.  I have been using it
since TeXLive 2010, and it has always behaved reliably.  I do not have
any ConTeXt document that I can typeset, but I can run the binary.

$ context --version

mtx-context | ConTeXt Process Management 0.52
mtx-context |
mtx-context | main context file: 
/opt/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/context/base/context.mkiv
mtx-context | current version: 2012.05.30 11:26

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texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I installes texlive2012,
but apparently the fonts are not installed!
In additon, when I make,

rpm -ql texlive
I get:
(contains no files)

while:
rpm -q texlive
texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64

Whould I finish the install manually?

Thank.

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Re: texlive

[Reindl Harald]

Am 07.03.2013 12:32, schrieb Patrick Dupre:
 Hello,
 
 I installes texlive2012,
 but apparently the fonts are not installed!
 In additon, when I make,
 
 rpm -ql texlive
 I get:
 (contains no files)
 
 while:
 rpm -q texlive
 texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
 
 Whould I finish the install manually?

[root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts

 N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 

texlive-Type1fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for Type1fonts
texlive-accfonts.noarch : Utilities to derive new fonts from existing ones
texlive-accfonts-bin.noarch : Binaries for accfonts
texlive-accfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for accfonts
texlive-ae.noarch : Virtual fonts for T1 encoded CMR-fonts
texlive-aeguill.noarch : Add several kinds of guillemets to the ae fonts
texlive-allrunes.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX package for almost all runes
texlive-amsfonts.noarch : TeX fonts from the American Mathematical Society
texlive-amsfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for amsfonts
texlive-anyfontsize-doc.noarch : Documentation for anyfontsize
texlive-arabtex.noarch : Macros and fonts for typesetting Arabic
texlive-archaic.noarch : A collection of archaic fonts
texlive-arev.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX support files for Arev Sans
texlive-aurical.noarch : Calligraphic fonts for use with LaTeX in T1 encoding
texlive-b1encoding.noarch : LaTeX encoding tools for Bookhands fonts
texlive-barcodes.noarch : Fonts for making barcodes
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts.noarch : A set of fonts supporting chess diagrams
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for bartel-chess-fonts
texlive-baskervald.noarch : Baskervald ADF fonts collection with TeX/LaTeX 
support
texlive-bbm.noarch : Blackboard-style cm fonts
texlive-bbm-macros.noarch : LaTeX support for blackboard-style cm fonts
texlive-belleek.noarch : Free replacement for basic MathTime fonts
texlive-bera.noarch : Bera fonts
texlive-berenisadf.noarch : Berenis ADF fonts and TeX/LaTeX support
texlive-beton.noarch : Use Concrete fonts
texlive-bgreek.noarch : Using Beccari's fonts in betacode for classical Greek
texlive-biolinum-type1.noarch : (pdf)LaTeX support for the Biolinum family of 
fonts
texlive-blacklettert1.noarch : T1-encoded versions of Haralambous old German 
fonts
texlive-bold-extra.noarch : Use bold small caps and typewriter fonts
texlive-bookhands.noarch : A collection of book-hand fonts
texlive-boondox.noarch : Mathematical alphabets derived from the STIX fonts
texlive-carolmin-ps.noarch : Adobe Type 1 format of Carolingian Minuscule fonts
texlive-cbcoptic.noarch : Coptic fonts and LaTeX macros for general usage and 
for philology
texlive-cbfonts.noarch : Complete set of Greek fonts
texlive-cbfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for cbfonts
texlive-cc-pl.noarch : Polish extension of Computer Concrete fonts
texlive-ccfonts.noarch : Support for Concrete text and math fonts in LaTeX
texlive-ccfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for ccfonts
texlive-cfr-lm.noarch : Enhanced support for the Latin Modern fonts
texlive-charter.noarch : Charter fonts
texlive-chess.noarch : Fonts for typesetting chess boards
texlive-chessfss.noarch : A package to handle chess fonts
texlive-cm.noarch : Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cm-lgc.noarch : Type 1 CM-based fonts for Latin, Greek and Cyrillic
texlive-cm-super.noarch : CM-Super family of fonts
texlive-cmbright.noarch : Computer Modern Bright fonts
texlive-cmcyr.noarch : Computer Modern fonts with cyrillic extensions
texlive-cmsd.noarch : Interfaces to the CM Sans Serif Bold fonts
texlive-collection-fontsextra.noarch : Extra fonts
texlive-collection-fontsrecommended.noarch : Recommended fonts
texlive-concmath.noarch : Concrete Math fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts.noarch : Concrete mathematics fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for concmath-fonts
texlive-concrete.noarch : Concrete Roman fonts
texlive-context-simplefonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for context-simplefonts
texlive-context-typescripts.noarch : Small modules to load various fonts for 
use in ConTeXt
texlive-cs.noarch : Czech/Slovak-tuned Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cyrillic.noarch : Support for Cyrillic fonts in LaTeX
texlive-dejavu.noarch : LaTeX support for the fonts DejaVu
texlive-dingbat.noarch : Two dingbat symbol fonts
texlive-duerer.noarch : Computer Duerer fonts
texlive-duerer-latex.noarch : LaTeX support for the Duerer fonts
texlive-ebgaramond.noarch : LaTeX support for EBGaramond fonts
texlive-ec.noarch : Computer modern fonts in T1 and TS1 encodings
texlive-ecc.noarch : Sources for the European Concrete fonts
texlive-eco.noarch : Oldstyle numerals using EC fonts
texlive-electrum.noarch : Electrum ADF fonts collection
texlive-elvish.noarch : Fonts for typesetting Tolkien Elvish scripts
texlive-ethiop.noarch : LaTeX macros and fonts for typesetting Amharic
texlive-ethiop-t1.noarch : Type 1 versions of Amharic fonts
texlive-euler.noarch : Use AMS Euler fonts for math
texlive-eulervm.noarch : Euler virtual math fonts
texlive

Re: texlive

[Patrick Dupre]

I installes texlive2012,
but apparently the fonts are not installed!
In additon, when I make,

rpm -ql texlive
I get:
(contains no files)

while:
rpm -q texlive
texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64

Whould I finish the install manually?


[root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts

 N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 

texlive-Type1fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for Type1fonts
texlive-accfonts.noarch : Utilities to derive new fonts from existing ones
texlive-accfonts-bin.noarch : Binaries for accfonts
texlive-accfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for accfonts
texlive-ae.noarch : Virtual fonts for T1 encoded CMR-fonts
texlive-aeguill.noarch : Add several kinds of guillemets to the ae fonts
texlive-allrunes.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX package for almost all runes
texlive-amsfonts.noarch : TeX fonts from the American Mathematical Society
texlive-amsfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for amsfonts
texlive-anyfontsize-doc.noarch : Documentation for anyfontsize
texlive-arabtex.noarch : Macros and fonts for typesetting Arabic
texlive-archaic.noarch : A collection of archaic fonts
texlive-arev.noarch : Fonts and LaTeX support files for Arev Sans
texlive-aurical.noarch : Calligraphic fonts for use with LaTeX in T1 encoding
texlive-b1encoding.noarch : LaTeX encoding tools for Bookhands fonts
texlive-barcodes.noarch : Fonts for making barcodes
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts.noarch : A set of fonts supporting chess diagrams
texlive-bartel-chess-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for bartel-chess-fonts
texlive-baskervald.noarch : Baskervald ADF fonts collection with  
TeX/LaTeX support

texlive-bbm.noarch : Blackboard-style cm fonts
texlive-bbm-macros.noarch : LaTeX support for blackboard-style cm fonts
texlive-belleek.noarch : Free replacement for basic MathTime fonts
texlive-bera.noarch : Bera fonts
texlive-berenisadf.noarch : Berenis ADF fonts and TeX/LaTeX support
texlive-beton.noarch : Use Concrete fonts
texlive-bgreek.noarch : Using Beccari's fonts in betacode for classical Greek
texlive-biolinum-type1.noarch : (pdf)LaTeX support for the Biolinum  
family of fonts
texlive-blacklettert1.noarch : T1-encoded versions of Haralambous  
old German fonts

texlive-bold-extra.noarch : Use bold small caps and typewriter fonts
texlive-bookhands.noarch : A collection of book-hand fonts
texlive-boondox.noarch : Mathematical alphabets derived from the STIX fonts
texlive-carolmin-ps.noarch : Adobe Type 1 format of Carolingian  
Minuscule fonts
texlive-cbcoptic.noarch : Coptic fonts and LaTeX macros for general  
usage and for philology

texlive-cbfonts.noarch : Complete set of Greek fonts
texlive-cbfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for cbfonts
texlive-cc-pl.noarch : Polish extension of Computer Concrete fonts
texlive-ccfonts.noarch : Support for Concrete text and math fonts in LaTeX
texlive-ccfonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for ccfonts
texlive-cfr-lm.noarch : Enhanced support for the Latin Modern fonts
texlive-charter.noarch : Charter fonts
texlive-chess.noarch : Fonts for typesetting chess boards
texlive-chessfss.noarch : A package to handle chess fonts
texlive-cm.noarch : Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cm-lgc.noarch : Type 1 CM-based fonts for Latin, Greek and Cyrillic
texlive-cm-super.noarch : CM-Super family of fonts
texlive-cmbright.noarch : Computer Modern Bright fonts
texlive-cmcyr.noarch : Computer Modern fonts with cyrillic extensions
texlive-cmsd.noarch : Interfaces to the CM Sans Serif Bold fonts
texlive-collection-fontsextra.noarch : Extra fonts
texlive-collection-fontsrecommended.noarch : Recommended fonts
texlive-concmath.noarch : Concrete Math fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts.noarch : Concrete mathematics fonts
texlive-concmath-fonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for concmath-fonts
texlive-concrete.noarch : Concrete Roman fonts
texlive-context-simplefonts-doc.noarch : Documentation for  
context-simplefonts
texlive-context-typescripts.noarch : Small modules to load various  
fonts for use in ConTeXt

texlive-cs.noarch : Czech/Slovak-tuned Computer Modern fonts
texlive-cyrillic.noarch : Support for Cyrillic fonts in LaTeX
texlive-dejavu.noarch : LaTeX support for the fonts DejaVu
texlive-dingbat.noarch : Two dingbat symbol fonts
texlive-duerer.noarch : Computer Duerer fonts
texlive-duerer-latex.noarch : LaTeX support for the Duerer fonts
texlive-ebgaramond.noarch : LaTeX support for EBGaramond fonts
texlive-ec.noarch : Computer modern fonts in T1 and TS1 encodings
texlive-ecc.noarch : Sources for the European Concrete fonts
texlive-eco.noarch : Oldstyle numerals using EC fonts
texlive-electrum.noarch : Electrum ADF fonts collection
texlive-elvish.noarch : Fonts for typesetting Tolkien Elvish scripts
texlive-ethiop.noarch : LaTeX macros and fonts for typesetting Amharic
texlive-ethiop-t1.noarch : Type 1 versions of Amharic fonts
texlive-euler.noarch : Use AMS Euler fonts for math
texlive-eulervm.noarch : Euler virtual math fonts
texlive-fc.noarch : Fonts for African languages
texlive

Re: texlive

[Reindl Harald]

Am 07.03.2013 12:59, schrieb Patrick Dupre:
 

 I installes texlive2012,
 but apparently the fonts are not installed!
 In additon, when I make,

 rpm -ql texlive
 I get:
 (contains no files)

 while:
 rpm -q texlive
 texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64

 Whould I finish the install manually?

 [root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts

  N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 
 a lot of relevant packages
 
 OK, THis is correct,

means?

 but
 
 \documentclass[a4paper]{article}
 \usepackage{fourier}
 \begin{document}
 Hello world!
 L'{\'E}l{\'e}phant va {\`a} la mare.
 \[\frac14=0{,}25\]
 \end{document}
 
 fails:
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
 Document Class: article 2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
 
 ! LaTeX Error: File `fourier.sty' not found.

and you have installed texlive-fourier?
why are you never able to provide infos without request them?

rpm -qa | grep texlive-fourier




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Re: texlive

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 12:59 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote: 
 
  I installes texlive2012,
  but apparently the fonts are not installed!
  In additon, when I make,
 
  rpm -ql texlive
  I get:
  (contains no files)
 
  while:
  rpm -q texlive
  texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
 
  Whould I finish the install manually?
 
  [root@rh:~]$ yum search texlive fonts
 
   N/S Matched: texlive, fonts 
  
[...trim replies, please!..] 
 
 
 OK, THis is correct,
 
 but
 
 \documentclass[a4paper]{article}
 \usepackage{fourier}
 \begin{document}
 Hello world!
 L'{\'E}l{\'e}phant va {\`a} la mare.
 \[\frac14=0{,}25\]
 \end{document}
 
 fails:
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
 Document Class: article 2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
 
 ! LaTeX Error: File `fourier.sty' not found.
 
 
 and
 
 tex testfont.tex
 Name of the font to test =
 fourier
 kpathsea: Running mktextfm fourier
 /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source  
 abbreviation  for fourier.
 /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update ?
 mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1;  
 nonstopmode; input fourier
 This is METAFONT, Version 2.718281 (TeX Live 2013/dev)
 
 
 kpathsea: Running mktexmf fourier
 ! I can't find file `fourier'.

$ sudo yum search fourier
Loaded plugins: changelog, langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
updates/pkgtags  |  333 B 
00:00 
= N/S Matched: fourier 
=
gimp-fourier-plugin.x86_64 : A simple plug-in to do fourier transform 
on your
   : image
texlive-fourier-doc.noarch : Documentation for fourier
texlive-fouriernc.noarch : Use New Century Schoolbook text with Fourier 
maths
 : fonts
texlive-fouriernc-doc.noarch : Documentation for fouriernc
fftw.i686 : A Fast Fourier Transform library
fftw.x86_64 : A Fast Fourier Transform library
fftw2.i686 : Fast Fourier Transform library (version 2)
fftw2.x86_64 : Fast Fourier Transform library (version 2)
perl-Math-FFT.x86_64 : Perl module to calculate Fast Fourier Transforms
texlive-fourier.noarch : Using Utopia fonts in LaTeX documents


So 'yum install texlive-fourier'.

The TeXLive packaging system is set up so you don't have to install
everything if you don't need it. The groups within the TeXLive hierarchy
are called schemes.

$ sudo yum list tex\*scheme\*
Loaded plugins: changelog, langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
Installed Packages
texlive-scheme-basic.noarch 2:svn25923.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
@updates
Available Packages
texlive-scheme-context.noarch   2:svn26699.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-full.noarch  2:svn21417.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-gust.noarch  2:svn28959.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-medium.noarch2:svn26477.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-minimal.noarch   2:svn13822.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-small.noarch 2:svn26477.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-tetex.noarch 2:svn28959.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 
texlive-scheme-xml.noarch   2:svn13822.0-16.20130205_r29034.fc18
updates 


So if you want everything at once, install texlive-scheme-full.
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Re: texlive

[Tethys]

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Patrick Dupre
patrick.du...@univ-littoral.fr wrote:

 I installes texlive2012,
 but apparently the fonts are not installed!
 In additon, when I make,

 rpm -ql texlive
 I get:
 (contains no files)

 while:
 rpm -q texlive
 texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64

 Whould I finish the install manually?

TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.

Tet

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Re: texlive

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:34:48 + Tethys tet...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Patrick Dupre
 patrick.du...@univ-littoral.fr wrote:
 
  I installes texlive2012,
  but apparently the fonts are not installed!
  In additon, when I make,
 
  rpm -ql texlive
  I get:
  (contains no files)
 
  while:
  rpm -q texlive
  texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64
 
  Whould I finish the install manually?
 
 TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
 there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
 critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
 in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
 problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
 typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
 version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.

Never used ConTeXt, but my experience, and I use LaTeX everyday
(sometimes every waking hour) is to the contrary. There are a lot of
sty files that have been broken up now, but that involves installing
the corresponding texlive-*.sty: a bit frustrating at times perhaps, but
this was supposed to happen as per the texlive-2012 proposal (and since
this is a one-time installation deal) not a big deal at all.

I do keep track of whatever I install so that in the future, if I
install texlive somewhere else, I just cut and paste a line and don't
miss the sty's. Currently, that line stands at:

sudo yum install
texlive-{subfigure,biblatex,bbm-macros,subfig,multirow,comment,relsize,arydshln,was,wrapfig,lastpage,endfloat,nonfloat,mathabx,mathabx-type1}

So, I am a pretty satisfied customer wrt LaTeX on Fedora.

Hopefully I am not speaking too soon!
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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/07/2013 05:34 AM, Tethys wrote:

TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.


There are other FOSS options for this, you know.  If you don't mind 
migrating from a markup language to a GUI, you might consider Scribus. 
I've had good luck with it on small projects, and I know that there are 
professionals out there using it for magazines and books.

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Re: texlive

[Tethys]

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 There are other FOSS options for this, you know.  If you don't mind
 migrating from a markup language to a GUI, you might consider Scribus. I've
 had good luck with it on small projects, and I know that there are
 professionals out there using it for magazines and books.

I've been doing this a long time now, and I'm well aware of the
alternatives. Framemaker would have been my first choice, but that
ceased to exist long ago. Scribus was my first port of call in the
FOSS world, being the closest I could get to that. Maybe it's improved
recently, but when I looked at it a few years ago, it was *terrible*.
Slow, *very* buggy and not well suited to my workflow. I tried various
other options and ended up with ConTeXt, which I'm generally pretty
happy with. Except that it doesn't work on F17. At all. And yes, I do
mind migrating. For new projects, it's not so bad. But for already
published books, if I want to do a second printing, I want to correct
a few typos, run make and have a fully typeset PDF that I can send off
the the printers. I can't currently do that, and retypesetting the
whole thing in an alternative tool simply isn't a viable option.

Tet

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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 10:40 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
 On 03/07/2013 05:34 AM, Tethys wrote:
  TeX under Fedora is frankly a joke these days :-( I don't know if
  there's currently a maintainer. Certainly no one's responding to
  critical bug reports. ConTeXt is literally unusable out of the box (as
  in, it doesn't run at all), which make typesetting my books
  problematic. I'm currently editing them on my box, and then
  typesetting them on my girlfriend's box, which is running an older
  version of Fedora, which does at least have a working texexec.
 
 There are other FOSS options for this, you know.  If you don't mind 
 migrating from a markup language to a GUI, you might consider Scribus. 
 I've had good luck with it on small projects, and I know that there are 
 professionals out there using it for magazines and books.

That might work for some projects, but generally speaking people using
TeX/LaTeX are concerned about finer control of typesetting, especially
when it comes to mathematical material. TeX/LaTeX is the gold standard
for this. To paraphrase Brian Kernighan, the trouble with WYSIWYG is
that it usually means What You See Is *All* You Get.

poc

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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/07/2013 10:47 AM, Tethys wrote:

I've been doing this a long time now, and I'm well aware of the
alternatives.


OK, just asking.  I've run across any number of people across the years 
who learn one way of doing something and keep doing it that way long 
after there's a better way simply because it never occurs to them to 
look.  And, of course, taking an old project from TeX to Scribus would 
be a major PITA.  Still, you might want to give Scribus another look; 
it's a lot better now than it was five years ago.

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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/07/2013 10:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

That might work for some projects, but generally speaking people using
TeX/LaTeX are concerned about finer control of typesetting, especially
when it comes to mathematical material. TeX/LaTeX is the gold standard
for this. To paraphrase Brian Kernighan, the trouble with WYSIWYG is
that it usually means What You See Is*All*  You Get.


You may find this interesting, then.  PDF files created by Scribus are 
considerably larger than those created by Adobe.  This is because Adobe 
sets the position for a line, then inserts a string of characters for 
that line.  Scribus sets the position for each character as it goes. 
That makes very precise positioning of specific elements possible, far 
more than in Adobe.  Of course, it takes work to learn how to do this (I 
haven't, as I don't need it.) and to get it right.  However, if you're 
happy using TeX, and it does what you want the way you want, that's all 
that's important, isn't it?

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Re: texlive

[José Matos]

On 03/07/2013 11:32 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 Hello,

 I installes texlive2012,
 but apparently the fonts are not installed!
 In additon, when I make,

 rpm -ql texlive
 I get:
 (contains no files)

 while:
 rpm -q texlive
 texlive-2012-16.20130205_r29034.fc18.x86_64

 Whould I finish the install manually?

 Thank.


texlive is an empty rpm that has lots of subpackages, this happens also
for other packages. Nothing new here. :-)

If you want to install all the texlive packages (not including the
documentation packages) you can install them with

yum install texlive-scheme-full

other schemes are

texlive-scheme-basic
texlive-scheme-context
texlive-scheme-gust
texlive-scheme-medium
texlive-scheme-minimal
texlive-scheme-small
texlive-scheme-tetex
texlive-scheme-xml

It works really well. :-)

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Re: texlive

[Tethys]

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 You may find this interesting, then.  PDF files created by Scribus are
 considerably larger than those created by Adobe.  This is because Adobe sets
 the position for a line, then inserts a string of characters for that line.
 Scribus sets the position for each character as it goes. That makes very
 precise positioning of specific elements possible, far more than in Adobe.

If you create a PDF from a given input source, then it goes without
saying that it will only be able to position the characters in the
same position as they are in the input. If the input supports
per-character positioning (as most Adobe products do, FWIW), then that
will be reflected in the PDF. If they don't, it won't.

Tet

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Re: texlive

[José Matos]

On 03/07/2013 11:59 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 OK, THis is correct,

 but

 \documentclass[a4paper]{article}
 \usepackage{fourier}
 \begin{document}
 Hello world!
 L'{\'E}l{\'e}phant va {\`a} la mare.
 \[\frac14=0{,}25\]
 \end{document}

 fails:
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
 Document Class: article 2007/10/19 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
 (/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))

 ! LaTeX Error: File `fourier.sty' not found.


 and

 tex testfont.tex
 Name of the font to test =
 fourier
 kpathsea: Running mktextfm fourier
 /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source
 abbreviation  for fourier.
 /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update ?
 mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1;
 nonstopmode; input fourier
 This is METAFONT, Version 2.718281 (TeX Live 2013/dev)


 kpathsea: Running mktexmf fourier
 ! I can't find file `fourier'.

There are two possibilities:

a) you install all the texlive packages via texlive-scheme-full

b) in this case to satisfy this dependency it is enough

yum install 'tex(fourier.sty)'

this will work for every sty file via the virtual provides.

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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/07/2013 11:32 AM, Tethys wrote:

If you create a PDF from a given input source, then it goes without
saying that it will only be able to position the characters in the
same position as they are in the input. If the input supports
per-character positioning (as most Adobe products do, FWIW), then that
will be reflected in the PDF. If they don't, it won't.


I'm not saying that Adobe can't do that, just that it doesn't by default 
and Scribus does.  And, who's to say that Adobe's wrong, as most people 
neither need nor want that much control.  I just thought you might be 
interested in knowing about it.

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Re: texlive

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 11:07 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
 On 03/07/2013 10:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
  That might work for some projects, but generally speaking people using
  TeX/LaTeX are concerned about finer control of typesetting, especially
  when it comes to mathematical material. TeX/LaTeX is the gold standard
  for this. To paraphrase Brian Kernighan, the trouble with WYSIWYG is
  that it usually means What You See Is*All*  You Get.
 
 You may find this interesting, then.  PDF files created by Scribus are 
 considerably larger than those created by Adobe.  This is because Adobe 
 sets the position for a line, then inserts a string of characters for 
 that line.  Scribus sets the position for each character as it goes. 
 That makes very precise positioning of specific elements possible, far 
 more than in Adobe.  Of course, it takes work to learn how to do this (I 
 haven't, as I don't need it.) and to get it right.  However, if you're 
 happy using TeX, and it does what you want the way you want, that's all 
 that's important, isn't it?

Not really sure why you're bringing in Adobe. TeX/LaTeX have nothing to
do with PDF (sure, they can optionally generate PDF output, but that's
not the point).

What I was really getting at is that TeX/LaTeX has a widely accepted
encoding for mathematical material, plus an extremely sophisticated
typesetting algorithm that makes it looks nice. No other tool even comes
close (GUI or not).

poc

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Re: texlive

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/07/2013 01:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Not really sure why you're bringing in Adobe. TeX/LaTeX have nothing to
do with PDF (sure, they can optionally generate PDF output, but that's
not the point).


As it happens, the difference has been discussed on the scribus mailing 
list, so I'm aware of it.  I thought you might find it interesting, 
especially as you find it useful to have precise positioning on a 
character by character basis at times.  If you don't find that useful or 
interesting, that's fine too.  After all, you're the one doing the work, 
not me.  Use whatever program you find fits your needs best.

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Re: texlive

[Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus]

Well I have been using TeXlive for a long time, and I do it in different
machines and with different OS. But my basic system is Ubuntu LTS, I hate
to change my OS every six months and I prefer something more stables. With
Fedora in the last versions I have few troubles and I use them but they are
not my hit. But, yes I know, this is a Fedora list.


And about TeXLive and all those troubles, in fact as José Matos says, we
need to install all the schemes we need for our papers and projects. I
teach how to use LaTeX from the most basic until special packages for
certain task, not always for typeset math. TeX in fact is more than that,
but of course isn't the only tool, so i install Tex-live full, all the
schemes for avoid those problems. It can be a little expensive abut
the HDspace usage with up 1.5 GB for store everything, but this is how
I can use
different compilers such as tex, pdtex, latex, pdflatex, xetex, xelatex and
luatex for ConTeXt.

Perhaps you can customise the settings of the TeXlive for install only the
packages you need, but I don't know if it is possible or how to do it. So
simply I prefer install everything.

As Gordon Bell said: TeX is potentially the most significant invention in
typesetting in the last century [...] and in terms of importance could rank
near the introduction of the Gutenberg press.

So isn't the only tool, but perhaps is the most powerful one. We have
InDesign (not in linux yet) and Scribus, and they're good for some tasks,
but in my opinion we can't compare them, TeX and both of its embodiments:
LaTeX and ConTeXt can do a better work , faster and easier than InDesign,
QuarkXpress, Scribus and others. We can typeset huge quantities of pages
automatically with an excellent composition and without adjust manually
line by line and save paper using the traditional pica points instead the
PostScript pica points.

There is a long time (two years ago) I don't use Scribus, is an interesting
software, but the typographical management was poor for me and unable to
take advantage of Open Type features. With LaTeX we can do it using
XeLaTeXand it's great. Surely
Scribus now is better than the version I knew, but it can be better for
typeset highly hierarchized texts with a lot of cross references, and
equations, chemical formulae or musical notation or chess notation, but
it's ok for magazines, newspapers, brochures (leaflets) and all those
publications where the design and the number of pages depends from the
contents.

I do not think the way pdf file is created is important, but the way you
can compose an equation, or another thing typographically difficult,
matters.

That's all, cheers.
Aradenatorix.
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Re: texlive

[George Avrunin]

On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:47:52 +, Tethys wrote:

 I tried various
 other options and ended up with ConTeXt, which I'm generally pretty
 happy with. Except that it doesn't work on F17. At all. And yes, I do
 mind migrating. For new projects, it's not so bad. But for already
 published books, if I want to do a second printing, I want to correct
 a few typos, run make and have a fully typeset PDF that I can send off
 the the printers. I can't currently do that, and retypesetting the
 whole thing in an alternative tool simply isn't a viable option.
 
 Tet
 

Have you tried installing TeX Live directly from CTAN (e.g., download
install-tl-unx.tar.gz and perhaps update regularly using tlmgr)?  If
there's a problem with the F17 version, it's possible that the actual TeX
Live 2012, updated from CTAN, would solve it.  I don't use ConTeXt (and
I'm on F18 now), so I can't say anything about that.  But on F17 I used
TeX Live from CTAN, not the Fedora rpms, and everything I use worked
fine.  (I haven't had any problems with the one from the rpms on F18 yet
either, but ...)

  George




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texlive in F18: \usepackage{pslatex} - kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t - I can't find file `ptmr7t'

[Frédéric Bron]

pslatex seems to come corrupted in F18. This simple document does not compile:

\documentclass{article}
%\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{pslatex}
\begin{document}
abcde
\end{document}

kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t
! I can't find file `ptmr7t'.
* ...:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ptmr7t

Please type another input file name
! Emergency stop.
* ...:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ptmr7t

I have submitted a bug report:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=901394

Does anyone know a work around? It seems that texlive packages have
changed from F17 to F18.

Frédéric
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Re: texlive in F18: \usepackage{pslatex} - kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t - I can't find file `ptmr7t'

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/19/2013 04:05 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote:
 pslatex seems to come corrupted in F18. This simple document does not compile:

 \documentclass{article}
 %\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
 \usepackage{pslatex}
 \begin{document}
 abcde
 \end{document}

 kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t
 ! I can't find file `ptmr7t'.
 * ...:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ptmr7t

 Please type another input file name
 ! Emergency stop.
 * ...:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ptmr7t

 I have submitted a bug report:
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=901394

 Does anyone know a work around? It seems that texlive packages have
 changed from F17 to F18.

 Frédéric

Do you have texlive-texmf-fonts installed?

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Re: texlive in F18: \usepackage{pslatex} - kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t - I can't find file `ptmr7t'

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/19/2013 04:43 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
 Do you have texlive-texmf-fonts installed?

FWIW, I got around the error you reported by doing the following over-kill.

yum install texlive*font*

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