Re: [users] Please help with a problem on OppenOffice.org 2.0

[Earl Melton]

On 10/12/2010 10:34 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den 2010-10-12 12:04:10 skrev Earl Melton :




On 10/11/2010 01:55 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den 2010-10-11 14:08:12 skrev Kosie Olivier :


I have a problem on OpenOffice - my arrow keys do not move cells on a
spreadsheet anymore like it did before. What can I do?

Hope you can help me!

JPH Olivier koos.olivi...@gmail.com


Why do you still use the very old OpenOffice.org 2.0?

And what do you mean when you say ”move cells”? I have never been able
to do that with the arrow keys alone.


I ws pretty sure I had done it before, but just now confirmed it on my
Ubu 3.2.0 and it worked fine. I selected three contiguous cells, then
placed the mouse pointer on the very edge of the selection and moved
it down to the next row, then back where they belong. Duck soup!


Yes, the mouse, but you was asking about the arrow keys?


Sorry, I realized this after posting the reply to the OP. Helps if you 
[thoroughly] read the original query, doesn't it? :-(



And placing the mouse pointer at the edge is an Excel thing, you don't
need to do that in OpenOffice.org. Just place it anywhere in the cell
range and move it. If you want to move a single cell, you need to make
sure it is highlighted, for example by selecting two cells and then move
the mouse pointer back to the first cell again without releasing the
mouse button, or by Shift+Click on the cell you want to highlight and
then move it.


I also went back and confirmed this after clicking Send. I very seldom 
have the occasion/need to move cells, but this -- like so many other 
things -- is so much easier in OOo than in MSO. Thanks for the 
Shift+Click tip for moving a single cell. I had never used or known 
about that one. I usually just copy/pasted, then deleted original cell 
contents.


Also, I'll admit that, while I've used Writer for years (due to the ease 
of creating an alphabetized index), I hadn't really used Calc all that 
much until my switch to Linux. FTM, I was never really what one could 
call a 'power' user of Excel!


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Re: [users] Please help with a problem on OppenOffice.org 2.0

[Johnny Rosenberg]

Den 2010-10-12 12:04:10 skrev Earl Melton :




On 10/11/2010 01:55 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den 2010-10-11 14:08:12 skrev Kosie Olivier :


I have a problem on OpenOffice - my arrow keys do not move cells on a
spreadsheet anymore like it did before. What can I do?

Hope you can help me!

JPH Olivier koos.olivi...@gmail.com


Why do you still use the very old OpenOffice.org 2.0?

And what do you mean when you say ”move cells”? I have never been able
to do that with the arrow keys alone.


I ws pretty sure I had done it before, but just now confirmed it on my  
Ubu 3.2.0 and it worked fine. I selected three contiguous cells, then  
placed the mouse pointer on the very edge of the selection and moved it  
down to the next row, then back where they belong. Duck soup!



Yes, the mouse, but you was asking about the arrow keys?

And placing the mouse pointer at the edge is an Excel thing, you don't  
need to do that in OpenOffice.org. Just place it anywhere in the cell  
range and move it. If you want to move a single cell, you need to make  
sure it is highlighted, for example by selecting two cells and then move  
the mouse pointer back to the first cell again without releasing the mouse  
button, or by Shift+Click on the cell you want to highlight and then move  
it.


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Re: [users] Please help with a problem on OppenOffice.org 2.0

[Earl Melton]

On 10/11/2010 01:55 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den 2010-10-11 14:08:12 skrev Kosie Olivier :


I have a problem on OpenOffice - my arrow keys do not move cells on a
spreadsheet anymore like it did before. What can I do?

Hope you can help me!

JPH Olivier koos.olivi...@gmail.com


Why do you still use the very old OpenOffice.org 2.0?

And what do you mean when you say ”move cells”? I have never been able
to do that with the arrow keys alone.


I ws pretty sure I had done it before, but just now confirmed it on my 
Ubu 3.2.0 and it worked fine. I selected three contiguous cells, then 
placed the mouse pointer on the very edge of the selection and moved it 
down to the next row, then back where they belong. Duck soup!


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Re: [users] Please help with a problem on OppenOffice.org 2.0

[Johnny Rosenberg]

Den 2010-10-11 14:08:12 skrev Kosie Olivier :


I have a problem on OpenOffice -  my arrow keys do not move cells on a
spreadsheet anymore like it did before. What can I do?

Hope you can help me!

JPH Olivier   koos.olivi...@gmail.com


Why do you still use the very old OpenOffice.org 2.0?

And what do you mean when you say ”move cells”? I have never been able to  
do that with the arrow keys alone.



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[users] Please help with a problem on OppenOffice.org 2.0

[Kosie Olivier]

I have a problem on OpenOffice -  my arrow keys do not move cells on a
spreadsheet anymore like it did before. What can I do?

Hope you can help me!

JPH Olivier   koos.olivi...@gmail.com

Re: [users] Please help

[Barbara Duprey]

 On 9/7/2010 11:47 AM, The Shones wrote:

Hi,



I'm wanting to get hold of the latest  (3.2.1) Open Office software. When I
try to download it from your website or one of the mirrors it gets saved as
a Microsoft Word document, so I can't install it! I've downloaded the latest
Java software (6.0.210.73), but to no avail.



Your help would be much appreciated,

Hilton Shone


[Hilton (thesho...@mweb.co.za) is not subscribed and probably will not see any responses unless 
directly copied.]


What is the full name of the downloaded file from www.openoffice.org? You may be able to rename it 
to have the .exe extension instead of whatever it has -- your browser may be "protecting" you by 
renaming the extension, without otherwise affecting the file.


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Re: [users] Please help

[Andrew Fisk]

This is going to sound strange, but try the download using firefox instead of 
IE -- it's seems that for your "security" IE saves executable files as text 
files.  If you need firefox go to mozzila.com


Thanks

Andy
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On Sep 7, 2010, at Tuesday, September 7, 201012:47 PM, The Shones wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> I'm wanting to get hold of the latest  (3.2.1) Open Office software. When I
> try to download it from your website or one of the mirrors it gets saved as
> a Microsoft Word document, so I can't install it! I've downloaded the latest
> Java software (6.0.210.73), but to no avail.
> 
> 
> 
> Your help would be much appreciated,
> 
> Hilton Shone
> 
> 
> 
> Hilton Shone
> 
> +27 (0)11 6467841 (home)
> 
> +27 (0)82 9258797 (Mobile)
> 
> thesho...@mweb.co.za
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [users] Please help

[Johnny Rosenberg]

Den 2010-09-07 18:47:47 skrev The Shones :


Hi,


I'm wanting to get hold of the latest  (3.2.1) Open Office software.  
When I
try to download it from your website or one of the mirrors it gets saved  
as
a Microsoft Word document, so I can't install it! I've downloaded the  
latest

Java software (6.0.210.73), but to no avail.


Your help would be much appreciated,

Hilton Shone


Hilton Shone

+27 (0)11 6467841 (home)

+27 (0)82 9258797 (Mobile)

thesho...@mweb.co.za




Exactly where do you download it? What is your operating system? Which  
language version are you trying to download?

The more information, the merrier…

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Re: [users] Please help

[RA Brown]

The Shones wrote:

Hi,

 


I'm wanting to get hold of the latest  (3.2.1) Open Office software. When I
try to download it from your website or one of the mirrors it gets saved as
a Microsoft Word document, so I can't install it! I've downloaded the latest
Java software (6.0.210.73), but to no avail.

 


Your help would be much appreciated,

Hilton Shone


Hilton,

Which operating system?  I a guessing a version of Windows.  Be careful 
where your downloading from, www.openoffice.org , is the official site. 
 Also check your where the file is saved.


More info and maybe we can give a better answer.

You may also want to think of removing phone numbers and other personal 
information from your post.


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[users] Please help

[The Shones]

Hi,

 

I'm wanting to get hold of the latest  (3.2.1) Open Office software. When I
try to download it from your website or one of the mirrors it gets saved as
a Microsoft Word document, so I can't install it! I've downloaded the latest
Java software (6.0.210.73), but to no avail.

 

Your help would be much appreciated,

Hilton Shone

 

Hilton Shone

+27 (0)11 6467841 (home)

+27 (0)82 9258797 (Mobile)

thesho...@mweb.co.za

 

 

 

[users] please help, thank you!

[Harvey Firestone]

I'm an educator trying to submit a template, can you help.  I'm 71, not a 
programmer. I have several degrees and will freely share my writing, and help 
teachers. I taught Instructor Training in the Coast Guard.  My textbook 
"Teaching by Lesson Planning" is available to anyone requsting it - free! no 
strings!
 
WE ALL SMILE IN THE SAME LANGUAGE
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Re: [users] Please Help

[RA Brown]

Paul wrote:


To be honest, and on second thoughts, it may pay to not attempt much more

on this file since it may be spam / virus laden.

Apologies if it is.

/paul

Users/Discuss list moderator



Paul,

It does not appear to be a virus.  It maybe spam as the file is the same 
that came through the list on the 5th, the only difference is the 
extension.  Both appear to be in CDF form which is for mobile phones and 
being pushed by W3C.  More info at http://www.w3.org/2004/CDF/ .


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Re: [users] Please Help

[RA Brown]

nobin.tho...@relianceada.com wrote:

Dear Team,

Please help me to open the below attached open office file.

Please do the needful at the earliest..

Warm Regards, 

Nobin Thomas 
Sales Manager - Bancassurance 
Reliance General Insurance Co. Ltd. 
Kottayam 
M: 9349643863 L 0481 3982147 
www.reliancegeneral.co.in 



Hi Nobin,

The file you sent seems to be the same file you sent before, only the 
extension is changed.  All indications are the file has been corrupted, 
it also is in a format that is unknown to OpenOffice.org.  Your best 
hope is to get a copy of the program that created the file.


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Re: [users] Please Help

[Mark Miller]

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:57 AM,  wrote:

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> Dear Team,
>
> Please help me to open the below attached open office file.
>
>
>
> Please do the needful at the earliest..
>
> Warm Regards,   Nobin Thomas  Sales Manager - Bancassurance  Reliance
> General Insurance Co. Ltd.  Kottayam  M: 9349643863 L 0481 3982147  *
> www.reliancegeneral.co.in* 
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I tried to open in Open Office and the spreadsheet was empty.  When I
checked it in properties, it's shown as a 221 byte file.  I'm running Ubuntu
so can't check it against MS Excel.  Perhaps one of the power users here can
come up with a better answer.

Sorry.

mcm

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Re: [users] Please Help

[Paul]

> >
> > Dear Team,
> >
> > Please help me to open the below attached open office file.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please do the needful at the earliest..
> >
> > Warm Regards,   Nobin Thomas  Sales Manager - Bancassurance  Reliance
> > General Insurance Co. Ltd.  Kottayam  M: 9349643863 L 0481 3982147  *
> > www.reliancegeneral.co.in* 
> >
>
> I tried to open in Open Office and the spreadsheet was empty.  When I
> checked it in properties, it's shown as a 221 byte file.  I'm running
> Ubuntu
> so can't check it against MS Excel.  Perhaps one of the power users here
> can
> come up with a better answer.
>
> Sorry.
>
> mcm
>
> To be honest, and on second thoughts, it may pay to not attempt much more
on this file since it may be spam / virus laden.

Apologies if it is.

/paul

Users/Discuss list moderator

[users] Please help with Ooo 3.2 - Font Issue

[Conrad Prusse]

Is anyone having problems seeing all fonts in 3.2?
We are missing several including Monotype Corsiva.
Thanks for anyone's help.

Re: [users] Please Help

[lisa Hardcastle]

Hello James

Thanks for your reply.  I will continue to keep an eye on my bank account 
and contact them if anything is debited.


Lisa Hardcastle
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From: "James Knott" 

To: ; 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [users] Please Help



lisa Hardcastle wrote:

Hello Openoffice

Yesterday I purchsed your product as I received some photos from a friend 
which my computer could not read and suggested that purchsing your 
product may help.


I still could not open my photos and now wish to uninstall the product 
and get my money back please.


Let me know what info you need .

Thankyou

Lisa Hradcastle

You'll have to contact whoever you paid, as OpenOffice.org is a free 
download from www.openoffice.org.  If you can't get a refund from them, 
you may be able to have your credit card company reverse the charges.


You have contacted a mail list for users of OpenOffice.org and you didn't 
pay us.





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Re: [users] Please Help

[James Wilde]

> 
> 
> From: lisa Hardcastle 
> To: users@openoffice.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 February, 2010 9:01:39
> Subject: [users] Please Help
> 
> Hello Openoffice
> 
> Yesterday I purchsed your product as I received some photos from a friend 
> which my computer could not read and suggested that purchsing your product 
> may help.
> 
> I still could not open my photos and now wish to uninstall the product and 
> get my money back please.
> 
> Let me know what info you need .
> 
> Thankyou
> 
> Lisa Hradcastle

Hi Lisa:

As other volunteers on the list have commented, the OpenOffice suite is free 
and you shouldn't have had to pay more than a small handling charge if, for 
example, you got a CD.  However, it's another comment in your message for help 
that intrigues me, namely that you got OpenOffice to handle photos.  Now, as 
Sigrid has already commented, OpenOffice will handle photos in the same sense 
that, say, Microsoft Office will, that is, you can use the programs to put 
together a document which includes one or more photographs, but it is not a 
program like Picasa, for sorting and sharing photos, or like Photoshop or Gimp, 
for editing them and changing the format.  

But what interests me is that we have had a number of inquiries on the list 
recently about OpenOffice, in which people have been wondering how to use it 
for photos, videos and the like, and I wonder if you would be willing to take 
the time to tell us how you came to look at OpenOffice for this purpose.  Who 
suggested that OpenOffice might be able to open your photos (what format are 
they, by the way?), and how did you find the site where you purchased the 
program.  Did the site have indications that it could be used for handling 
pictures and/or video?

Someone has obviously got the wrong idea about OpenOffice, and it would be very 
useful to people such as yourself if we could get to the bottom of why people 
are choosing OpenOffice for this purpose.

And on a final note, since you have OpenOffice on your computer now, why not 
give it a try?  It's as easy to use as Microsoft Office, your documents will 
normally take up only a fraction of the space, you can exchange them with your 
friends and other contacts who may use Microsoft Office if you save them in 
Office format, but most importantly, OpenOffice is free when it comes time to 
upgrade.  You can always have the latest version simply by downloading it.  So 
stick with us a while, and see if you don't get hooked on OpenOffice.

//James
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Re: [users] Please Help

[Sigrid Carrera]

Hello Lisa, 

Am Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:01:39 -
schrieb "lisa Hardcastle" :

> Hello Openoffice
> 
> Yesterday I purchsed your product as I received some photos from a
> friend which my computer could not read and suggested that purchsing
> your product may help.

I feel sorry about you paying for OpenOffice.org. OpenOffice.org is a
free download, that you can get at http://openoffice.org/ If you paid
more than a few dollars (for the CD or DVD), then you fell prey to
someone who tried to rip you off.
 
> I still could not open my photos and now wish to uninstall the
> product and get my money back please.

OpenOffice.org is a office suite that contains a word processor,
spreadsheet, presentation and drawing program. It does not contain a
component, that you can use for image manipulation. If you need a
program to manipulate your pictures, then try the GIMP. You can get a
free download for this program at http://gimp.org 

> Let me know what info you need .


Sigrid

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Re: [users] Please Help

[KEITH BARLOW]

  
Hi Lisa 

Your addressing the wrong Forum. OpenOffice.org is Free software if You have 
purchased OpenOffice then you must direct your email the product.
Keth





From: lisa Hardcastle 
To: users@openoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 16 February, 2010 9:01:39
Subject: [users] Please Help

Hello Openoffice

Yesterday I purchsed your product as I received some photos from a friend which 
my computer could not read and suggested that purchsing your product may help.

I still could not open my photos and now wish to uninstall the product and get 
my money back please.

Let me know what info you need .

Thankyou

Lisa Hradcastle

Re: [users] Please Help

[James Knott]

lisa Hardcastle wrote:

Hello Openoffice

Yesterday I purchsed your product as I received some photos from a friend which 
my computer could not read and suggested that purchsing your product may help.

I still could not open my photos and now wish to uninstall the product and get 
my money back please.

Let me know what info you need .

Thankyou

Lisa Hradcastle
   
You'll have to contact whoever you paid, as OpenOffice.org is a free 
download from www.openoffice.org.  If you can't get a refund from them, 
you may be able to have your credit card company reverse the charges.


You have contacted a mail list for users of OpenOffice.org and you 
didn't pay us.


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Re: [users] Please Help

[Rob Clement]

On 16/02/2010 09:01, lisa Hardcastle wrote:

Hello Openoffice

Yesterday I purchsed your product as I received some photos from a friend which 
my computer could not read and suggested that purchsing your product may help.

I still could not open my photos and now wish to uninstall the product and get 
my money back please.

Let me know what info you need .

Thankyou

Lisa Hradcastle


Lisa

You have e-mailed a list of fellow users who try and help with problems 
with the OpenOffice.org suite of programs.


Please download the software from the OpenOffice.org website as it is free.

If you paid a third party for the software then please take it up with 
them or your credit card company or bank. OpenOffice.org is free.


If you require photo editing software that is not avaiaabe on your 
computer I will suggest the GIMP software but it includes the ability to 
edit photos so may be more than you want.


Sorry that I could not be of any further help

Rob

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Re: [users] Please Help

[JOE Conner]

On 2/16/2010 1:01 AM, lisa Hardcastle wrote:

Hello Openoffice

Yesterday I purchsed your product as I received some photos from a friend which 
my computer could not read and suggested that purchsing your product may help.

I still could not open my photos and now wish to uninstall the product and get 
my money back please.

Let me know what info you need .

Thankyou

Lisa Hradcastle
   
OpenOffice.org is a free (as in beer, and as in speech) download without 
any payment requirement.  If you paid someone for openoffice.org, except 
for some nominal fee if you purchased a CD with openoffice.org on it, 
then you were ripped off.  You can try to recover your money from 
whomever you paid.


Openoffice.org is a suite of office productivity products, word 
processor, spreadsheet, presentation manager, database, equasion editor, 
etc.  It is not designed to be a photo editor, but there are some free 
photo editors, such as GIMP available from open source.


Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA, USA


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[users] Please Help

[lisa Hardcastle]

Hello Openoffice

Yesterday I purchsed your product as I received some photos from a friend which 
my computer could not read and suggested that purchsing your product may help.

I still could not open my photos and now wish to uninstall the product and get 
my money back please.

Let me know what info you need .

Thankyou

Lisa Hradcastle

Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Michael Adams]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:33:51 +0200
Came this utterance formulated by Dotan Cohen to my mailbox:

> 
> > It may be possible to set the locale date format strings (long or
> > short) for some computers to a preferred non-standard option. You
> > could create a custom localization and tinker with it (especially in
> > linux - see/usr/share/locale/). But this would be a last resort. In
> > addition my linux box has three locales possible for New Zealand. I
> > am not going to explore the difference, though i do believe it has
> > more to do with the character codeset in use than aything
> > else(UTF-8, ISO-9950-1 and default).
> >
> 
> How exactly can one see what the differences are? I actually would not
> mind making a custom locale for my own use, but this issue affects
> other users as well.
> 

Looking at the files in /usr/share/locale/ you can see the format
string. Wouldn't be surprised if it was identical to that described by:
$ date --help

In your home dir copy and paste one to play with. Rename and edit with
(insert favourite text editor) or hexedit if need be.


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be well

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 14.11.2009 23:38, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
>>> While in the general sense I understand the issue regarding document
>>> sharing, note that it is already possible to override the date formats
>>> for individual cells. Therefore, this part of the scheme is actually
>>> describing current OOo behaviour.
>>>
>>>   
>> Yes for display date format, but it should be different for input date
>> format in case it would be implemented.
>> The date format I use should be independant of the document in the same
>> way the decimal separator is. I can open and modify a spreadsheet with
>> comma as decimal separator and send it to you who opens the file and
>> sees numbers with a dot as decimal separator.
>> >From my point of view, the input date format is User Interface only
>> while the display date format is part of the formatting of the document.
>>
>> 
>
> Are you suggesting that the input date format should be user-defined,
> not document defined? If so, then I agree.
>   
yes.
> Are you suggesting that display date format be document-defined, not
> user-defined? If so, then I agree.
>   
yes.

Regards
JBF

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 14.11.2009 20:15, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
>> In FR localized OOo I enter dates in French standard format DD/MM/YY or
>> DD/MM/, not in US format. Which locale are you using ?
>> And if I want to see the dates in format like "dimanche 14 novembre
>> 2009" I do not like to enter a so long text. So I do not want that the
>> input format would be identical to the display format.
>> 
>
> I use the Dutch locale for -mm-dd dates. If you insist that you
> are entering dates in your local locale's format, then I will
> experiment with a new user account and see what I can come up with.
> What distro are you using? I am on Kubuntu 9.10 at the moment.
>   
Yes I insist :-)
I am on Ubuntu 8.04 with vanilla OOo 3.1.1 FR/US and OOO320_m4 US/FR.
> .
> While in the general sense I understand the issue regarding document
> sharing, note that it is already possible to override the date formats
> for individual cells. Therefore, this part of the scheme is actually
> describing current OOo behaviour.
>   
Yes for display date format, but it should be different for input date
format in case it would be implemented.
The date format I use should be independant of the document in the same
way the decimal separator is. I can open and modify a spreadsheet with
comma as decimal separator and send it to you who opens the file and
sees numbers with a dot as decimal separator.
>From my point of view, the input date format is User Interface only
while the display date format is part of the formatting of the document.

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Dotan Cohen]

>> While in the general sense I understand the issue regarding document
>> sharing, note that it is already possible to override the date formats
>> for individual cells. Therefore, this part of the scheme is actually
>> describing current OOo behaviour.
>>
> Yes for display date format, but it should be different for input date
> format in case it would be implemented.
> The date format I use should be independant of the document in the same
> way the decimal separator is. I can open and modify a spreadsheet with
> comma as decimal separator and send it to you who opens the file and
> sees numbers with a dot as decimal separator.
> >From my point of view, the input date format is User Interface only
> while the display date format is part of the formatting of the document.
>

Are you suggesting that the input date format should be user-defined,
not document defined? If so, then I agree.

Are you suggesting that display date format be document-defined, not
user-defined? If so, then I agree.


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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 14.11.2009 20:15, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
>> In FR localized OOo I enter dates in French standard format DD/MM/YY or
>> DD/MM/, not in US format. Which locale are you using ?
>> And if I want to see the dates in format like "dimanche 14 novembre
>> 2009" I do not like to enter a so long text. So I do not want that the
>> input format would be identical to the display format.
>> 
>
> I use the Dutch locale for -mm-dd dates. If you insist that you
> are entering dates in your local locale's format, then I will
> experiment with a new user account and see what I can come up with.
> What distro are you using? I am on Kubuntu 9.10 at the moment.
>   
Yes I insist :-)
I am on Ubuntu 8.04 with vanilla OOo 3.1.1 FR/US and OOO320_m4 US/FR.
> .
> While in the general sense I understand the issue regarding document
> sharing, note that it is already possible to override the date formats
> for individual cells. Therefore, this part of the scheme is actually
> describing current OOo behaviour.
>   
Yes for display date format, but it should be different for input date
format in case it would be implemented.
The date format I use should be independant of the document in the same
way the decimal separator is. I can open and modify a spreadsheet with
comma as decimal separator and send it to you who opens the file and
sees numbers with a dot as decimal separator.
>From my point of view, the input date format is User Interface only
while the display date format is part of the formatting of the document.

Regards
JBF

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Dotan Cohen]

> In my understanding OO.o takes the setting for date input format from
> your computers "short date" locale setting by default (thus my input
> date format is 31/12/99). This i believe is sensible as the date is best
> entered in a familiar short format.

That makes perfect sense.

> Is this not the case in your
> computer?

No, my short date format is set as "-MM-DD" in KDE's System
Settings. I wonder, might OOo only read the Gnome setting, and being
non-existent OOo is defaulting to MM/DD/YY?


> (Check"Tools- Options... Language Settings- Languages").

It is all set to Default.


> Can
> you set the Locale Setting value to a different country and report back
> if this makes a difference?
>

Ah, yes, changing that to Dutch does change the default date format to
DD/MM/YY. Must I now go through all the settings to find which has the
short date format of -MM-DD? Or can I simply configure it
somewhere (even in locale outside OOo)?


> And IIUC the format for calc cells can be set seperately at "Format -
> Cells... Numbers - Language" (not tested here).
>

Note quite a solution as it would have to be set for every sheet.


> In linux compare:
> $ date
> $ date +%c (taken from locale)
> $ date +%D
> $ date +%x (taken from locale)
> $ date -I

Exactly, neither of the locale-based formats use the MM/DD/YY format:

karm...@kubuntu:~$ date
Sat Nov 14 23:18:42 IST 2009
karm...@kubuntu:~$ date +%c
2009-11-14T23:18:49 IST
karm...@kubuntu:~$ date +%D
11/14/09
karm...@kubuntu:~$ date +%x
2009-11-14
karm...@kubuntu:~$ date -I
2009-11-14


> It may be possible to set the locale date format strings (long or short)
> for some computers to a preferred non-standard option. You could create
> a custom localization and tinker with it (especially in linux - see
> /usr/share/locale/). But this would be a last resort. In addition my
> linux box has three locales possible for New Zealand. I am not going to
> explore the difference, though i do believe it has more to do with the
> character codeset in use than aything else(UTF-8, ISO-9950-1 and
> default).
>

How exactly can one see what the differences are? I actually would not
mind making a custom locale for my own use, but this issue affects
other users as well.


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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Michael Adams]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:47:37 +0200
Came this utterance formulated by Dotan Cohen to my mailbox:

> On Kubuntu 9.10 with OOo 3.1 (probably Go-OOo) with the Language
> Options set to use the default locale setting:
> 
> !) With export LC_ALL="en_DK.UTF-8" (which uses the -MM-DD
> format), entering date as -MM-DD:
> Calc shows "MM/DD/YY" in the cell, and "MM/DD/" in the formula
> bar. F2 for cell edit changes the cell display to "MM/DD/" for the
> duration of the edit.
> 
> 2) Now I configure a cell to use formatting -MM-DD:
> Calc shows "-MM-DD" in the cell, and "MM/DD/" in the formula
> bar. F2 for cell edit changes the cell display to "MM/DD/" for the
> duration of the edit.
> 

Now i see your issue - ignore my earlier post.

> These are the bugs as I see them:
> 1) The default OOo date display is not the same as the locale's date
> display setting.
> 2) The edit date format is different than the format used for display.
> 
> I am not sure from where the date format for (1) is being taken, it is
> not the US setting that I see in my personal user account. Where is
> this format taken from?
> 
> Regarding (2), I would actually prefer to display and edit dates in
> two different formats, however, they must be configurable. I cannot
> edit dates in MM/DD/ format.
> 
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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Michael Adams]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:22:14 +0200
Came this utterance formulated by Dotan Cohen to my mailbox:

> 
> Bug #5556 mentions the fact that the input line for dates differs from
> the configured date format. I can understand where that would be
> useful (in fact, I would use it often) however in the current case the
> input format is the US date format, which is not known outside the US
> and is counter intuitive (the smallest units are in the middle, not on
> the left or right side). This leads to dataloss as OOo interprets the
> dates not as the user intended when entering them.
> 
> 

In my understanding OO.o takes the setting for date input format from
your computers "short date" locale setting by default (thus my input
date format is 31/12/99). This i believe is sensible as the date is best
entered in a familiar short format. Is this not the case in your
computer? (Check"Tools- Options... Language Settings- Languages"). Can
you set the Locale Setting value to a different country and report back
if this makes a difference?

And IIUC the format for calc cells can be set seperately at "Format -
Cells... Numbers - Language" (not tested here). 

In linux compare:
$ date
$ date +%c (taken from locale)
$ date +%D
$ date +%x (taken from locale)
$ date -I
It may be possible to set the locale date format strings (long or short)
for some computers to a preferred non-standard option. You could create
a custom localization and tinker with it (especially in linux - see
/usr/share/locale/). But this would be a last resort. In addition my
linux box has three locales possible for New Zealand. I am not going to
explore the difference, though i do believe it has more to do with the
character codeset in use than aything else(UTF-8, ISO-9950-1 and
default).

HTH

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Dotan Cohen]

On Kubuntu 9.10 with OOo 3.1 (probably Go-OOo) with the Language
Options set to use the default locale setting:

!) With export LC_ALL="en_DK.UTF-8" (which uses the -MM-DD
format), entering date as -MM-DD:
Calc shows "MM/DD/YY" in the cell, and "MM/DD/" in the formula
bar. F2 for cell edit changes the cell display to "MM/DD/" for the
duration of the edit.

2) Now I configure a cell to use formatting -MM-DD:
Calc shows "-MM-DD" in the cell, and "MM/DD/" in the formula
bar. F2 for cell edit changes the cell display to "MM/DD/" for the
duration of the edit.

These are the bugs as I see them:
1) The default OOo date display is not the same as the locale's date
display setting.
2) The edit date format is different than the format used for display.

I am not sure from where the date format for (1) is being taken, it is
not the US setting that I see in my personal user account. Where is
this format taken from?

Regarding (2), I would actually prefer to display and edit dates in
two different formats, however, they must be configurable. I cannot
edit dates in MM/DD/ format.

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Dotan Cohen]

> In FR localized OOo I enter dates in French standard format DD/MM/YY or
> DD/MM/, not in US format. Which locale are you using ?
> And if I want to see the dates in format like "dimanche 14 novembre
> 2009" I do not like to enter a so long text. So I do not want that the
> input format would be identical to the display format.

I use the Dutch locale for -mm-dd dates. If you insist that you
are entering dates in your local locale's format, then I will
experiment with a new user account and see what I can come up with.
What distro are you using? I am on Kubuntu 9.10 at the moment.


>>> If you want another behaviour, please write down a detailed
>>> specification which make clear what you want and is applicable to each
>>> local date formatting. http://specs.openoffice.org/
>>>
>> I want this behaviour (it incorporates issue 72229 as well as 5556):
>>
>> The user configures two OOo-wide (Calc, Writer, etc) settings:
>> a) The default date format for entering dates
>>
> ok, without the word "default", the default being defined by the locale

I have some users who need a different OOo default than their locales'
default. I agree that the OOo default should by default be the locale
default, but that should be configurable. Therefore the hierarchy
would be:

1) Locale default
2) OOo default (if configured)
3) Cell Formatting (if configured)


>> b) The default date format for displaying dates
>>
> ok, without the word "default", the default being defined by the locale

As above.


>> Both of these settings could be overridden in Calc's Format Cell
>> dialogue and the Writer equivalent.
>>
> Not ok : here I think you generate an issue for OpenDocument format
> because, if I understand well, you need to store the input format in the
> file. Input format should be relative only to the user interface.
> Another user should be able to enter dates with its own input format
> without knowing anything about an input format related to this file. So
> input date format should be defined only at OOo's UI level, in the same
> way as the decimal separator.
>

While in the general sense I understand the issue regarding document
sharing, note that it is already possible to override the date formats
for individual cells. Therefore, this part of the scheme is actually
describing current OOo behaviour.

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 14.11.2009 17:22, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
> .
>> And I think that the current behaviour is better than the one which is
>> asked for.
>> 
> Only if you like entering dates in US format only. 
In FR localized OOo I enter dates in French standard format DD/MM/YY or
DD/MM/, not in US format. Which locale are you using ?
And if I want to see the dates in format like "dimanche 14 novembre
2009" I do not like to enter a so long text. So I do not want that the
input format would be identical to the display format.
> I agree that
> entering dates in format XYZ then displaying dates in format X'Y'Z'
> would be great, so long as one could configure the two formats. For us
> non-USians, the US date is confusing (do US watches show the hour in
> HH:SS:MM format?) and dangerous (leads to data loss).
>   
I Agree.
>> If you want another behaviour, please write down a detailed
>> specification which make clear what you want and is applicable to each
>> local date formatting. http://specs.openoffice.org/
>> 
> I want this behaviour (it incorporates issue 72229 as well as 5556):
>
> The user configures two OOo-wide (Calc, Writer, etc) settings:
> a) The default date format for entering dates
>   
ok, without the word "default", the default being defined by the locale
> b) The default date format for displaying dates
>   
ok, without the word "default", the default being defined by the locale
> Both of these settings could be overridden in Calc's Format Cell
> dialogue and the Writer equivalent.
>   
Not ok : here I think you generate an issue for OpenDocument format
because, if I understand well, you need to store the input format in the
file. Input format should be relative only to the user interface.
Another user should be able to enter dates with its own input format
without knowing anything about an input format related to this file. So
input date format should be defined only at OOo's UI level, in the same
way as the decimal separator.

JBF

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Dotan Cohen]

> really unrelated ? I just try to find an intermediate way which could
> satisfy everybody.
>

Unrelated in the sense that fixing one would not fix the other.
Naturally, they are related as the both discuss the date format.


> In that case Calc works as designed so #5556 is not a bug. From my point
> of view issue 72229 is a duplicate of 5556.

Bug #5556 mentions the fact that the input line for dates differs from
the configured date format. I can understand where that would be
useful (in fact, I would use it often) however in the current case the
input format is the US date format, which is not known outside the US
and is counter intuitive (the smallest units are in the middle, not on
the left or right side). This leads to dataloss as OOo interprets the
dates not as the user intended when entering them.


> And I think that the current behaviour is better than the one which is
> asked for.
>

Only if you like entering dates in US format only. I agree that
entering dates in format XYZ then displaying dates in format X'Y'Z'
would be great, so long as one could configure the two formats. For us
non-USians, the US date is confusing (do US watches show the hour in
HH:SS:MM format?) and dangerous (leads to data loss).


> If you want another behaviour, please write down a detailed
> specification which make clear what you want and is applicable to each
> local date formatting. http://specs.openoffice.org/
>

I want this behaviour (it incorporates issue 72229 as well as 5556):

The user configures two OOo-wide (Calc, Writer, etc) settings:
a) The default date format for entering dates
b) The default date format for displaying dates
Both of these settings could be overridden in Calc's Format Cell
dialogue and the Writer equivalent.

Should I file a spec with this behaviour suggestion?

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 14.11.2009 15:34, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
>> I just added the following comment to this issue (sorry for my bad
>> english) :
>>
>> I like current behaviour: when I need dates I prefer format J   
>> and
>> it not very easy to type "dimanche 15 novembre 2009" instead of 15/11/09 as I
>> should do if I had to type the same thing that which is displayed.
>>
>> I suggest to give the user the possibility to define an "input date format"
>> which have to be distinguished from "display date format".
>> Input date format would be defined in Tools > Options > Language settings >
>> Languages, in similar way than decimal separator, but with an input field 
>> and a
>> default value equal to the locale standard.
>> It should be also important that this input date format would be displayed 
>> (read
>> only) in each dialog where the user can define a display date format, so 
>> that he
>> would be aware of the difference.
>>
>>
>> Additional comment : I do not know if it is easy from a programming
>> point of view to make variable input date format.
>>
>> 
>
> The feature request to have differing date entry and date display
> formats already exists. Please don't hijack this bug to discuss an
> unrelated feature request. Thanks.
>
>   
really unrelated ? I just try to find an intermediate way which could
satisfy everybody.

In that case Calc works as designed so #5556 is not a bug. From my point
of view issue 72229 is a duplicate of 5556.
And I think that the current behaviour is better than the one which is
asked for.

If you want another behaviour, please write down a detailed
specification which make clear what you want and is applicable to each
local date formatting. http://specs.openoffice.org/

Thanks

JBF

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Dotan Cohen]

> I just added the following comment to this issue (sorry for my bad
> english) :
>
> I like current behaviour: when I need dates I prefer format J   
> and
> it not very easy to type "dimanche 15 novembre 2009" instead of 15/11/09 as I
> should do if I had to type the same thing that which is displayed.
>
> I suggest to give the user the possibility to define an "input date format"
> which have to be distinguished from "display date format".
> Input date format would be defined in Tools > Options > Language settings >
> Languages, in similar way than decimal separator, but with an input field and 
> a
> default value equal to the locale standard.
> It should be also important that this input date format would be displayed 
> (read
> only) in each dialog where the user can define a display date format, so that 
> he
> would be aware of the difference.
>
>
> Additional comment : I do not know if it is easy from a programming
> point of view to make variable input date format.
>

The feature request to have differing date entry and date display
formats already exists. Please don't hijack this bug to discuss an
unrelated feature request. Thanks.

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Jean-Baptiste Faure]

Le 13.11.2009 21:41, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
> There is a rather critical bug in Open Office regarding date formats.
> This issue has cause both myself and my users continued frustration,
> in fact I would estimate that over half of the users that I have
> introduced OOo to have complained or abandoned OOo due to this bug. I
> just noticed that this bug is marked as a feature request, not a bug
> in the OOo Issue tracker. Will someone with the proper permissions
> please mark the bug as a bug, not a feature request:
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5556
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>   
Hi,

I just added the following comment to this issue (sorry for my bad
english) :

I like current behaviour: when I need dates I prefer format J   and
it not very easy to type "dimanche 15 novembre 2009" instead of 15/11/09 as I
should do if I had to type the same thing that which is displayed.

I suggest to give the user the possibility to define an "input date format"
which have to be distinguished from "display date format".
Input date format would be defined in Tools > Options > Language settings >
Languages, in similar way than decimal separator, but with an input field and a
default value equal to the locale standard.
It should be also important that this input date format would be displayed (read
only) in each dialog where the user can define a display date format, so that he
would be aware of the difference.


Additional comment : I do not know if it is easy from a programming
point of view to make variable input date format.

Regards
JBF

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Drew Jensen]

Harold Fuchs wrote:

M Henri Day wrote:

2009/11/13 AG 

 

Dotan Cohen wrote:

   

There is a rather critical bug in Open Office regarding date formats.
This issue has cause both myself and my users continued frustration,
in fact I would estimate that over half of the users that I have
introduced OOo to have complained or abandoned OOo due to this bug. I
just noticed that this bug is marked as a feature request, not a bug
in the OOo Issue tracker. Will someone with the proper permissions
please mark the bug as a bug, not a feature request:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5556

Thank you in advance.



  

+1

AG




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Have just voted.

Rather then trying to kick it from an RFE to a Defect - perhaps bring it 
up on the UX mailing list and see if you can get those folks interested 
in pushing it forward. Sure looks like a soid candidate for their input.


And as for the actual issue needing a fix  +1

Just a thought.

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Harold Fuchs]

M Henri Day wrote:

2009/11/13 AG 

  

Dotan Cohen wrote:



There is a rather critical bug in Open Office regarding date formats.
This issue has cause both myself and my users continued frustration,
in fact I would estimate that over half of the users that I have
introduced OOo to have complained or abandoned OOo due to this bug. I
just noticed that this bug is marked as a feature request, not a bug
in the OOo Issue tracker. Will someone with the proper permissions
please mark the bug as a bug, not a feature request:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5556

Thank you in advance.



  

+1

AG




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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[M Henri Day]

2009/11/13 AG 

> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>> There is a rather critical bug in Open Office regarding date formats.
>> This issue has cause both myself and my users continued frustration,
>> in fact I would estimate that over half of the users that I have
>> introduced OOo to have complained or abandoned OOo due to this bug. I
>> just noticed that this bug is marked as a feature request, not a bug
>> in the OOo Issue tracker. Will someone with the proper permissions
>> please mark the bug as a bug, not a feature request:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5556
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>>
> +1
>
> AG
>

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Re: [users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[AG]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

There is a rather critical bug in Open Office regarding date formats.
This issue has cause both myself and my users continued frustration,
in fact I would estimate that over half of the users that I have
introduced OOo to have complained or abandoned OOo due to this bug. I
just noticed that this bug is marked as a feature request, not a bug
in the OOo Issue tracker. Will someone with the proper permissions
please mark the bug as a bug, not a feature request:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5556

Thank you in advance.

  

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[users] Please help with Issue #5556: Edit Date format does not match configured date format

[Dotan Cohen]

There is a rather critical bug in Open Office regarding date formats.
This issue has cause both myself and my users continued frustration,
in fact I would estimate that over half of the users that I have
introduced OOo to have complained or abandoned OOo due to this bug. I
just noticed that this bug is marked as a feature request, not a bug
in the OOo Issue tracker. Will someone with the proper permissions
please mark the bug as a bug, not a feature request:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5556

Thank you in advance.

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Re: [users] Please help!!

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> I have downloaded and installed OpenOffice 2.4 but I could not get to use it! 
>  The readme files never told me the steps to setup WRITER... and I could not 
> find any of the applications (word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation). 
> What a strange way of installing a package.  Would you please tell me where 
> to find the steps leading to opening the 3 applications?
>
>   
What operating system are you running?  On Windows, you simply download
the file, double click on it and after installations, the icons should
be in your start menu.  Also, version 3.0 is out now, which fixes a
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2008/12/4 Arnold Huzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Unfortunately you didn't tell us what operating system you're on. On
> Windows
> you will find the applications in the startmenu. I think it's the same on
> Linux. I don't know about Apple.
>
> Arnold Huzen
>
>
> 2008/11/30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > I have downloaded and installed OpenOffice 2.4 but I could not get to use
> > it!  The readme files never told me the steps to setup WRITER... and I
> could
> > not find any of the applications (word processor, spreadsheet, and
> > presentation). What a strange way of installing a package.  Would you
> please
> > tell me where to find the steps leading to opening the 3 applications?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chiang Wu
>
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[Arnold Huzen]

Unfortunately you didn't tell us what operating system you're on. On Windows
you will find the applications in the startmenu. I think it's the same on
Linux. I don't know about Apple.

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> I have downloaded and installed OpenOffice 2.4 but I could not get to use
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> not find any of the applications (word processor, spreadsheet, and
> presentation). What a strange way of installing a package.  Would you please
> tell me where to find the steps leading to opening the 3 applications?
>
> Thanks,
> Chiang Wu
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The readme files never told me the steps to setup WRITER... and I could not 
find any of the applications (word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation). 
What a strange way of installing a package.  Would you please tell me where to 
find the steps leading to opening the 3 applications?

Thanks,
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Re: [users] please help in open in read this files

[Anthony Chilco]

Michele wrote:

giuseppe botturi wrote:


maybe create another document and replace

the contents.xml of the new file with that of this file?

Cheers,

Michele







I did that with both files and sent the results to Giuseppe.
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[Michele]

> giuseppe botturi wrote:
> > Thanks michele,
> >
> > I'm also able to see the footer.
> >
> > the problem is , the file is containing text . I can see that from
> > the small icon visualized  in the left side of the window of the
> > folder. also,  pressing the right botton on the icon of the file ,
> > DETAILS ... it contain nearly 200 words, 19 paragraf...
> >
> > I can see only the footer!!!

Hello again,
You are right. I opened the file with an archive manager and there is
definitely some more text in it.

This is an excerpt of what meta.xml contains:
  OpenOffice.org/1.9.79$Win32
OpenOffice.org_project/680m79$Build-8876$CWS-ooo20beta
  2006-05-25T09:27:27
  2006-11-14T12:57:35
  2006-11-14T12:39:37
  it-IT
  13
  PT14H57M43S
...
meta:object-count="0" meta:page-count="1" meta:paragraph-count="18"
meta:word-count="181" meta:character-count="1352" />
  
  

So there are 18 paragraphs, 181 words and 1352 characthers.

I guess there may be a way to recover the contents by working on the
contents.xml file, but I wouldn't know how to do it without a painful
copy & paste operation... maybe create another document and replace
the contents.xml of the new file with that of this file?

Cheers,

Michele

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Re: [users] please help in open in read this files

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giuseppe botturi wrote:

Thanks michele,

I'm also able to see the footer.

the problem is , the file is containing text . I can see that from
the small icon visualized  in the left side of the window of the
folder. also,  pressing the right botton on the icon of the file ,
DETAILS ... it contain nearly 200 words, 19 paragraf...

I can see only the footer!!!


Is it possible that the text is white? To test this just perform Ctrl+A
to select the entire document and change the font colour to Black.

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Re: [users] please help in open in read this files

[giuseppe botturi]

Thanks michele,

I'm also able to see the footer.

the problem is , the file is containing text . I can see that from the small 
icon visualized  in the left side of the window of the folder.
also,  pressing the right botton on the icon of the file , DETAILS ... it 
contain nearly 200 words, 19 paragraf...


I can see only the footer!!!

grazie
giuseppe




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On 4/1/08, giuseppe botturi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 dear All,

can't oper/read properly those "text" files I've done long time ago with
open offis writer . It let me visualize only the note at the bottom of 
the

page..

The "openoffice" ask me to choose a "filter"

thank you in advance

giuseppe botturi

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Ciao Giuseppe,

Since you said you created them long time ago I tried to open them as
OOo1.0text (the very first entry in the filters list) and I got a
blank page with
a footer.

Once opened you can save them again as odt.

Cheers,

Michele





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[Michele]

On 4/1/08, giuseppe botturi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  dear All,
>
> can't oper/read properly those "text" files I've done long time ago with
> open offis writer . It let me visualize only the note at the bottom of the
> page..
>
> The "openoffice" ask me to choose a "filter"
>
> thank you in advance
>
> giuseppe botturi
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Ciao Giuseppe,

Since you said you created them long time ago I tried to open them as
OOo1.0text (the very first entry in the filters list) and I got a
blank page with
a footer.

Once opened you can save them again as odt.

Cheers,

Michele

[users] please help in open in read this files

[giuseppe botturi]

dear All, 

can't oper/read properly those "text" files I've done long time ago with open 
offis writer . It let me visualize only the note at the bottom of the page..

The "openoffice" ask me to choose a "filter" 

thank you in advance

giuseppe botturi

CARTA INTESTATA.odm
Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-master


fiscaldamneto foccoli.odm
Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text-master
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[users] please help me. i am using open office 2.1. i have 5 months of my work i cant read. all it displays is ########### signs. It asks me each time i open it questions about some asc11 filter. i ha

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Re: [users] please help

[Hagar de l'Est]

See that thread : 
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=1221

Beware, you're not subscribed to the mailing list.

Hagar


Le 29.01.2008 04:50, Pro-spect a écrit :


Hi!
Please, tell how to put numbering pages in OpenOffice?

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Hi!
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Re: [users] Please help

[James Knott]

Paul Dodson wrote:
> Hello,  I am creating a presentation with OpenOffice.org Impressions.  After 
> I am done, I want to save it on CD or DVD to hand out to different people.  
> What format can I save it in that will allow most people to watch the 
> presentation without having to download programs?  Thank you
>
>   

Why not save in both ODP and PPT formats.  Unless it's a really huge
presentation you should have plenty of room for both.  That way, people
with OpenOffice or StarOffice can view it in the native ODP format and
Microsoft Office users can view the PPS file with PowerPoint.  For those
with neither, you can of course recommend OpenOffice.   You could even
include a README.TXT with a brief description of the files and
instructions for downloading and installing OpenOffice.


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[Michele]

On Jan 18, 2008 5:03 AM, Evangelist Paul Dodson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,  I am creating a presentation with OpenOffice.org Impressions.  After 
> I am done, I want to save it on CD or DVD to hand out to different people.  
> What format can I save it in that will allow most people to watch the 
> presentation without having to download programs?  Thank you
>
> Evangelist Paul Dodson

Hello,

If you do not have animations, I suggest you use pdf or html. This
should maximize the audience.
If you have added animations, then you can try swf although it
requires macromedia flash.

You can also save each single slide as an image and then play the
sequence in one of the many programs doing a slide show.

Actually if you do not have space issues (and I guess that would not
be a problem if you have one presentation only) you can save it in
multiple formats on the CD or DVD. Even better you can burn on the CD
or DVD the latest version of the OpenOffice.org installation program
(this is perfectly legal) and invite people to give the program a try.

Cheers,

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[users] Please help

[Evangelist Paul Dodson]

Hello,  I am creating a presentation with OpenOffice.org Impressions.  After I 
am done, I want to save it on CD or DVD to hand out to different people.  What 
format can I save it in that will allow most people to watch the presentation 
without having to download programs?  Thank you

Evangelist Paul Dodson

Re: [users] Please Help

[Dan]

On Thursday 17 January 2008 22:58:16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello
>
>  I am creating a multi-page presentation and when I am done I want to
> save the presentation on CD's or DVD's to hand out to different
> people.  What format can I save it in that will allow people to open
> the file and watch the presentation on their computer even if they
> don't have OpenOffice.org Impressions?  Thank you.
>
> Evangelist Paul Dodson
> Frontier Ministries
> www.evangelistpaul.us
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Three additional ways come to mind: MS PowerPoint 97/2000/XP (.ppt), 
flash, or PDF. (The last two are exports while the PowerPoint would be 
created by using File > Save As.) With flash, the person has to click the 
picture to advance to the next slide.

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[paul]

Hello

 I am creating a multi-page presentation and when I am done I want to
save the presentation on CD's or DVD's to hand out to different
people.  What format can I save it in that will allow people to open
the file and watch the presentation on their computer even if they
don't have OpenOffice.org Impressions?  Thank you.

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[users] Please help with bibliography

[HG]

Hello!

First of all, yes I've tried to Google the whole Internet for this
answer :-) And no, I did not find solutions. So, apologies, if this is
a FAQ that I just didn't find.

My (current) problem is bibliography. More specifically, the
formatting of it. In the bibliography I am required to list the
entries like this:

Author1
2002  The name of the publication and all other
  relevant thins

Author2
2003  The name of the publication and all other
  relevant thins

With  above, I mean that there is a tab after the year but that
the next line is also intended at the same level. I know how to put
the tab in the format and I guess the indentation can be done using
the paragraph styles. But how on earth do I get the new line after the
author?


Another question, can I limit one bibliography to only contain one
types of publications? I need to have different sub headers between
all different types of publications. Of course, I can do this manually
(sorting helps here, yes) right in the end when everything else is
ready, but... any ideas?


And then the third one. How reliable is the 2.3.1 bibliography? I am
storing the entries to the file (as I'm changing the file between
systems with a USB-stick) and I'm very sure that couple of times, the
new entry I just created just disappeared. The link was there, but it
was empty (i.e. "[]"). Are they going to disappear on me?

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> product code, which i don't have & don't know where to find it--any 
> suggestions?
> thanks!
>
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This mail list is for OpenOffice support and has nothing to do with
Microsoft Word.  You can download OpenOffice for free from
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i downloaded word 2003 but each time i try to open it-it asks me for a product 
code, which i don't have & don't know where to find it--any suggestions?
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[users] please help bug

[Johan Mathew]

when you will open this 
websitehttp://www.openoffice.org,Then you can see below a 
paragraph with this heading-OpenOffice.org 2.2.1.
 In that paragraph you willThe 
OpenOfiice.org Community announces the availability of OpenOffice.org Release 
2.2.1.This is a minor bug fix release-full deatails of the changes can be found 
in the release notes,but it fixes security vulnerabilities,and we recommend 
that all users should download it now.
   
  As the instruction of that paragraph I clicked on Release notes.Then I saw 
another page-http://development.openoffice.org/releases/2.2.1.html
   
   
  Then I saw in that page 3 
headings-
  OpenOffice.org 2.2.1 (build OO86F0_m18)-Release Notes.
  What's new?
  Integrated Child Workspaces.
   
  In Integrated Child Workspaces I sawList of integrated child 
workspaces.
  In that list you will see---freetypettg,autotext02,l10n77316fix and somany 
those kind of names.
  When I clicked on those name,I could see a pop up window where it was said to 
put user name and password and I put and clicked on Logon but I got 
message--An error occurred during password verification!The 
error message was:Could not creat user with id"!But when I put my user id and 
password in this 
pagehttp://contributing.openoffice.org/index.html,I saw my user id 
and password are correct but I could not understand why I got that message from 
that pop up window in the time of logon.So,I think that every 1 can understand 
my problem very easily now.So,which I did you do those things first and then 
reply me.I am waiting.
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Re: [users] Please help! Working with figures

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

Desilets, Alain wrote:

Dear Andrew, thank you for your detailed answer (especially since you said you 
din't have much time available ;-).
 
  
Position the image vaguely where you want it, right click on 
it, and chose anchor as character. The image will now act as 
a character so it will move with the text.



Hum... What happens when the paragraph moves around (because of insertions and 
deletions) and the figure ends say, at the bottom two lines of a page where it 
can't fit?

My own approach to positioning figures is to put them at the top or bottom of 
the page closest to the paragraph that introduces them. I know lots of people 
who use this approach, so I'm surprised that neither MS-Word nor Open Office 
have an anchoring option to do it.

As it is now, what I do (in both MS-Word and Open Office), is to anchor the 
figure to the page where the introducing paragraph is orginally, and then, move 
them to a different page manually if ever that paragraph moves to a page too 
far from the original page. Doing these manual checks is a real pain. I really 
wish that either MS-Word or Open Office supported that anchoring strategy.
  
You can choose to anchor them as you desire, just learn the differences 
so that it will behave as YOU want.
Now, you want to place the caption below the figure. Your 
natural inclination is to right click and choose Add Caption. 



This doesn't work for me. When I insert the picture, it automatically gets a 
caption. If I do right click, Caption, I get a dialog box for editing the 
caption, but what it does is to create a second caption below the automatically 
generated one. Kind of strange, because I cannot imagine any circumstances 
under which a user would want two different captions for a same figure. 
Presumably a bug in Open Office?
  
This is because your copy has been configured to automatically insert a 
caption. This is not the default, so someone changed it.


This is probably under

Tools > Options > Writer > Captions

but that might not be until OOo 2.3, which should release in about a week.
  

On the caption line, do the following:

1. Enter the text "Figure "

2. Use Insert > Fields > Others. Click on the Variables tab.

3. In the Types list on the left, click on "Number Range".



Neat. That's one way to have figures be labeled as "Figures" instead of "Illustration". 


But it seems a bit convoluted compared to the other suggestions that I have 
been given.
  
I think that you can auto-caption using the Illustration variable or the 
Figure variable. Ultimately, this is just the name of the variable that 
is used.

Enough for now.



Again, thank you for your help.

Maybe you can help with my next problem.

I need to position two figures side by side, and have them aligned, i.e. each 
take up half of the width of page, and have their captions aligned vertically.

I managed to do that by putting the figures inside a two columns table, but I 
can't figure out how to anchor a table to a page.
  
If you want them side by side (as it were), I expect you to anchor them 
as a character inside of a table. If you want them to float, then place 
the table in a frame and let the frame float. After you are finished, 
you can modify the table properties to NOT show the grid lines, but it 
is probably easier to manipulate the table if you start with the grid 
lines visible.

Alain Désilets

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[Desilets, Alain]

Dear Andrew, thank you for your detailed answer (especially since you said you 
din't have much time available ;-).
 
> Position the image vaguely where you want it, right click on 
> it, and chose anchor as character. The image will now act as 
> a character so it will move with the text.

Hum... What happens when the paragraph moves around (because of insertions and 
deletions) and the figure ends say, at the bottom two lines of a page where it 
can't fit?

My own approach to positioning figures is to put them at the top or bottom of 
the page closest to the paragraph that introduces them. I know lots of people 
who use this approach, so I'm surprised that neither MS-Word nor Open Office 
have an anchoring option to do it.

As it is now, what I do (in both MS-Word and Open Office), is to anchor the 
figure to the page where the introducing paragraph is orginally, and then, move 
them to a different page manually if ever that paragraph moves to a page too 
far from the original page. Doing these manual checks is a real pain. I really 
wish that either MS-Word or Open Office supported that anchoring strategy.


> Now, you want to place the caption below the figure. Your 
> natural inclination is to right click and choose Add Caption. 

This doesn't work for me. When I insert the picture, it automatically gets a 
caption. If I do right click, Caption, I get a dialog box for editing the 
caption, but what it does is to create a second caption below the automatically 
generated one. Kind of strange, because I cannot imagine any circumstances 
under which a user would want two different captions for a same figure. 
Presumably a bug in Open Office?

> On the caption line, do the following:
> 
> 1. Enter the text "Figure "
> 
> 2. Use Insert > Fields > Others. Click on the Variables tab.
> 
> 3. In the Types list on the left, click on "Number Range".

Neat. That's one way to have figures be labeled as "Figures" instead of 
"Illustration". 

But it seems a bit convoluted compared to the other suggestions that I have 
been given.

> Enough for now.

Again, thank you for your help.

Maybe you can help with my next problem.

I need to position two figures side by side, and have them aligned, i.e. each 
take up half of the width of page, and have their captions aligned vertically.

I managed to do that by putting the figures inside a two columns table, but I 
can't figure out how to anchor a table to a page.

Alain Désilets

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Re: [users] Please help! Working with figures

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

Little time, so I will be brief and not supply all details.

You already know how to insert a picture something like Insert > Picture 
> From File. You can also just paste the image into the document.


The picture is anchored to the page or paragraph (I don't remember 
which), which means that it can float around.


Position the image vaguely where you want it, right click on it, and 
chose anchor as character. The image will now act as a character so it 
will move with the text.


First, consider how to position the graphic as it is. It is anchored as 
a character, so it will stay between the two paragraphs around it. I 
create a paragraph style for my figures. I always format the paragraph 
containing the figure using the figure style that I create. I can use 
the style to center the image in the paragraph. You can also just choose 
to center that paragraph manually, but it is not the long term good 
solution if you have many figures.


Double click on the graphic to open the graphic configuration dialog. 
You can change the image size and such from the dialog.


Now, you want to place the caption below the figure. Your natural 
inclination is to right click and choose Add Caption. If you do this, 
the figure will be placed in a frame with the caption below it. You can 
then anchor the frame as a character as you desire. If you do this, it 
is perhaps not as importation that the figure is anchored as character 
because it is stuck inside the frame. You then need to figure out how to 
format things inside the frame so that it looks like you desire. there 
are advantages to doing this, but I personally dislike it (personal 
preference). So, I will not bother detail how to go from here...


What I do, is manually insert the caption below the figure. First, 
remember that whole figure paragraph style? Well, one of the things you 
can mark is "keep with next paragraph". this says that if there is room 
for the image but not for the caption, then move them both to the next page.


I create a paragraph style for the figure caption. I can set the 
formatting style as desired, including space above, below, etc. From 
what you said, I would center the text. You can also manually set this 
for the paragraph. it is, unfornately, a bit more work to add the caption.


On the caption line, do the following:

1. Enter the text "Figure "

2. Use Insert > Fields > Others. Click on the Variables tab.

3. In the Types list on the left, click on "Number Range".

4. In the center column, select Figure.

5. The Name field at the bottom now says "Figure". For the value, enter 
"Figure + 1".


6. click Insert and then close the dialog.

7. You should now see the text "Figure 1". Finish out the text so that 
it reads something like: "Figure 1. Inserting something or other where I 
want it".


Although this sounds difficult, after you do the first one, the next 
ones are easier.


Copy the first caption and paste it somewhere else. It will now read 
Figure 2. .


Enough for now.



Desilets, Alain wrote:

I am writing an OpenOffice document in which I need to insert several figures. 
And I'm having a hell of a time with that. I had hoped that OpenOffice was 
easier to use in that respect than MS Word, but it seems to be just as bad. I 
have been trying for a full hour now to insert a single figure, and have not 
been able to do it completely satisfactorily, even after reading pages and 
pages of the help files, and searching on the web. Note that I am a 
sophisticated user (computer programmer with 15 years experience).

If anyone on this list can pull me out of the mud, I would be eternally 
greatful.

My needs are very simple. I need to insert the following figure:

http://voicecode.iit.nrc.ca/VoiceCode/uploads/FigureToInsert.gif

Inside an OO page. I want the image to be centered horizontally, and I want no 
text on either side of it. In addition, I want to have the following caption 
below it:

   "Illustration 1: Wiki markup for a Wiktionary page"

I want a blank line between the image and the caption, and I want the caption 
to be centered horizontally w.r.t. the image.

Simple right? Easy to do? NO!

My first attempt was to do: Insert>Picture>From File. Then I browsed my hard disk to 
locate the image and clicked on "open".

This resulted in what you see here:

http://voicecode.iit.nrc.ca/VoiceCode/uploads/Insert_Picture_FromFile.gif

I was pleased to notice that OO automatically inserted a caption "Illustration 1:" right 
below the image. I assumed that if I clicked beside it, I could enter the legend for the caption, 
i.e. "Wiki markup for a Wiktionary page". But if I do this, nothing gets typed in. I 
can't explicitly change the caption.

So... I right clicked on the image and clicked on the Caption popup menu. I was 
then shown the following dialog:

http://voicecode.iit.nrc.ca/VoiceCode/uploads/CaptionDialog.gif


The field at the bottom of this dialog was initially empty, but when I typed the legend 
in the Capt

[users] Please help! Working with figures

[Desilets, Alain]

I am writing an OpenOffice document in which I need to insert several figures. 
And I'm having a hell of a time with that. I had hoped that OpenOffice was 
easier to use in that respect than MS Word, but it seems to be just as bad. I 
have been trying for a full hour now to insert a single figure, and have not 
been able to do it completely satisfactorily, even after reading pages and 
pages of the help files, and searching on the web. Note that I am a 
sophisticated user (computer programmer with 15 years experience).

If anyone on this list can pull me out of the mud, I would be eternally 
greatful.

My needs are very simple. I need to insert the following figure:

http://voicecode.iit.nrc.ca/VoiceCode/uploads/FigureToInsert.gif

Inside an OO page. I want the image to be centered horizontally, and I want no 
text on either side of it. In addition, I want to have the following caption 
below it:

   "Illustration 1: Wiki markup for a Wiktionary page"

I want a blank line between the image and the caption, and I want the caption 
to be centered horizontally w.r.t. the image.

Simple right? Easy to do? NO!

My first attempt was to do: Insert>Picture>From File. Then I browsed my hard 
disk to locate the image and clicked on "open".

This resulted in what you see here:

http://voicecode.iit.nrc.ca/VoiceCode/uploads/Insert_Picture_FromFile.gif

I was pleased to notice that OO automatically inserted a caption "Illustration 
1:" right below the image. I assumed that if I clicked beside it, I could enter 
the legend for the caption, i.e. "Wiki markup for a Wiktionary page". But if I 
do this, nothing gets typed in. I can't explicitly change the caption.

So... I right clicked on the image and clicked on the Caption popup menu. I was 
then shown the following dialog:

http://voicecode.iit.nrc.ca/VoiceCode/uploads/CaptionDialog.gif


The field at the bottom of this dialog was initially empty, but when I typed 
the legend in the Caption field at the top, that legend got appended to the 
bottom field, so that it nowe contained the proper caption "Illustration 1: 
Wiki markup for a Wiktionary page". So I assumed that once I clicked OK, I 
would end up with the proper caption and legend below the image. But to my 
surprise, what I got was this:

http://voicecode.iit.nrc.ca/VoiceCode/uploads/TwoCaptions.gif

In other words, OO created a SECOND caption and added it above the first one, 
so that my caption now looks like this:

   Illustration 2: Wiki markup for a Wiktionary page
   Illustration 1:

No matter what I did, I was not able to get rid of the legend-less 
"Illustration 1:" caption, nor to renumber the "Illustration 2: Wiki markup for 
a Wiktionary page" caption so that it would say Illustration 1.

Just then my 15 year old son who had to learn how to use OO at school walked 
by. When I told him about my problem, he laughed and told me I was in for a 
rough ride. He then told me that inserting an image from file using the menus 
as I did never worked properly for him, but that he eventually figured out a 
way to do it by draggin the image from Internet File Explorer to OO. 

So I did this, and this time I got something very similar to what I had gotten 
when trying to do "insert from file" except that there was no caption at all 
below the image. So now, I right clicked on the image and clicked on the 
Caption menu. Again, I entered the legend in the Caption field as in this image:

http://voicecode.iit.nrc.ca/VoiceCode/uploads/CaptionDialog.gif

I clicked OK. This time, I got something that's pretty close to what I want:

http://voicecode.iit.nrc.ca/VoiceCode/uploads/ProperCaptionButNotProperlyPositioned.gif

In other words, I only get one caption, and it says the right thing:

   Illustration 1: Wiki markup for a Wiktionary page

But there are still two problems.

First, the caption is positioned immediately below the image, and it looks a 
bit like shit. I would like to have a blank line between the image and the 
caption.

Second, I would like the caption to be centered with the image.

I haven't been able to figure out how to do the centering bit, but my 15 year 
old son told me about a workaround he's devised to insert a blank line between 
the image and the caption.

Basically, you insert a second blank caption on the figure, i.e. you do right 
click on the image, then Caption, then fill the dialog as follows:

http://voicecode.iit.nrc.ca/VoiceCode/uploads/EmptyCaptionDialog.gif

Note that you have to make sure to insert that empty caption BEFORE you insert 
the real one, because otherwise, the empty caption ends up after the real one, 
instead of between the image and the real one.

Oh, and if you screw up at any point in that whole process (ex: you do a typo 
in the real caption, or you insert the real caption before the empty one), you 
have to erase the picture and start from scratch, because there is no way to 
modify a caption after it has been added to a picture.

I can't believe that it's this har

RE: [users] Please help

[h kessler]

To: CP Hennessy
 
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Re: [users] Please help

[CPHennessy]

On Saturday 11 August 2007, + h kessler wrote:
>  [ MODERATED ] 
>
> While working on an Calc doc by computer froze. I was unable to do a cold
> boot and had to shut the computer off manually. Upon restarting the
> computer an OpenOffice.org Recovery Program window appeared;  stating that
> I needed to "press 'start recovery'". The problem is the window is too
> large and I can not even see the "start button". Each time I start my
> computer this window appears. I am unable to use any of the OpenOffice
> (2.1)programs. What can I do?

Hitting the "Return" key on your keyboard should do the trick.

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Re: [users] Please help

[Johnny Rosenberg]

Have you tried to increase the screen resolution (if it's not already set to
max)?

Have you tried to use the keyboard to "press" the start button? Maybe you
can navigate to it (even if you can't see it) with the TAB button and then
press Enter?

Have you tried to move the window down a bit, so you can see the upper part
of it, then making it smaller, moving it up a bit again, making it even
smaller and so on until the window fits on your screen? Maybe this isn't
possible, I don't know, but it might give you some ideas.

Johnny Rosenberg

2007/8/11, h kessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> While working on an Calc doc by computer froze. I was unable to do a cold
> boot and had to shut the computer off manually. Upon restarting the computer
> an OpenOffice.org Recovery Program window appeared;  stating that I needed
> to "press 'start recovery'". The problem is the window is too large and I
> can not even see the "start button". Each time I start my computer this
> window appears. I am unable to use any of the OpenOffice (2.1)programs.
> What can I do?
>
> Thank you for your time.
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[users] Please help

[h kessler]

While working on an Calc doc by computer froze. I was unable to do a cold boot 
and had to shut the computer off manually. Upon restarting the computer an 
OpenOffice.org Recovery Program window appeared;  stating that I needed to 
"press 'start recovery'". The problem is the window is too large and I can not 
even see the "start button". Each time I start my computer this window appears. 
I am unable to use any of the OpenOffice (2.1)programs. What can I do? 
 
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Re: [users] Please help

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed 27 Jun 2007 23:04:50 EST

> Dear OOo Help
> 
> I am using Open Office v. 2.2.1 with Vista my problem is:  On
> launching Draw my son gets the Document Recovery dialogue but their
> are no files listed in the 'Following files' box.   This box cant be
> closed - he then gets the Error report dialogue which we do not send
> because his laptop is not net connected.The result is that we can
> not launch any other Open Office programme and have to reboot.  Is
> there a Doc't Recovery fil that we can delete to prevent the problem.
> 
> 
> Thankyou for your help
> 
> Peter Hill
> 
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Two things to try which may help resolve your issue.

In both cases make sure all OOo (OpenOffice.org) programs are closed,
including the OOo "Quickstarter" icon in the taskbar tray.

1. When the Document Recovery dialogue appears, press the "Esc" key on
   your keyboard.

Alternatively

2. From the Windows "Start" button select "Run..." and type:
   "soffice -norestore" (without the quotation marks)
   in the the command box.
   When OOo starts, go to the File menu and select "New -> Drawing".

Hope this helps

Dave

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[users] Please help

[p . hill]

Dear OOo Help

I am using Open Office v. 2.2.1 with Vista my problem is:  On launching 
Draw my son gets the Document Recovery dialogue but their are no files 
listed in the 'Following files' box.   This box cant be closed - he then 
gets the Error report dialogue which we do not send because his laptop is 
not net connected.The result is that we can not launch any other Open 
Office programme and have to reboot.  Is there a Doc't Recovery fil that 
we can delete to prevent the problem.

Thankyou for your help

Peter Hill

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Re: [users] Please help me out.

[Robin Laing]

Pierre Au wrote:

Hello,
I  use OO.o 1.0.1 and I don't think to change.
http://www.framasoft.net/article1941.html
When I download the OO.o format of the tutorial I just get the text and not the 
screen displays.
Why?
Can you help me?
Best regards.
Pierre Au
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CC'd copy to OP.

OOo 1.0.1 is an old version of OpenOffice.

Download and install the newest version.  Better import and export of MS 
documents.  I have found it faster as well.


Also, you get the benefit of ODF file support and many added/improved tools.

It is free so cost is not an issue.

http://www.openoffice.org/

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Re: [users] Please help me out.

[Paul]

Hello,
I  use OO.o 1.0.1 and I don't think to change.
http://www.framasoft.net/article1941.html
When I download the OO.o format of the tutorial I just get the text and
not the screen displays.
Why?
Can you help me?
Best regards.
Pierre Au
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Wow that's an old version of OpenOffice.  You should really upgrade - there
are plenty of benefits to the newer versions.

I downloaded the .sxw file and everything opened fine (text and pictures).
However I'm using OOo2.2. I saw that there was a pdf version on the site as
well - give that a go if you can't get the sxw version to work.

/paul

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[users] Please help me out.

[Pierre Au]

Hello,
I  use OO.o 1.0.1 and I don't think to change.
http://www.framasoft.net/article1941.html
When I download the OO.o format of the tutorial I just get the text and not the 
screen displays.
Why?
Can you help me?
Best regards.
Pierre Au
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Re: [users] Please help with this problem

[Daney]

There is a program called "Unlocker" That often helps
Take care
Regards
Daniel 
 
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Date: 01/24/07 08:31:56
To: users@openoffice.org
Subject: [users] Please help with this problem
 
I have a demo of OpenOffice 1.1.3 and I have tried to uninstall it with
windows xp but it fails to uninstall. Do you have a program of any kind to
uninstall this program? Please help I need the space on my computer and this
program just will now go away.
 
Thank you
Phyllis Cantrell
 
 

Re: [users] Please help with this problem

[James Lockie]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a demo of OpenOffice 1.1.3 and I have tried to uninstall it with  
windows xp but it fails to uninstall. Do you have a program of any kind to  
uninstall this program? Please help I need the space on my computer and this  
program just will now go away. 
 
Thank you

Phyllis Cantrell

  
What is the error you get when you try to uninstall it from "Add or 
Remove Programs"?


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Re: [users] Please help with this problem

[Harold Fuchs]

On Tuesday, January 23, 2007 1:53 PM [GMT+1=CET],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have a demo of OpenOffice 1.1.3 and I have tried to uninstall it
with windows xp but it fails to uninstall. Do you have a program of
any kind to uninstall this program? Please help I need the space on
my computer and this program just will now go away.

Thank you
Phyllis Cantrell


You could try this: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301/EN-US/. It's a 
free program from Microsoft designed for Windows systems that get snarled up 
with software that can't be uninstalled by the usual methods.


Harold Fuchs
London, England 


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Re: [users] Please help with this problem

[James Knott]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a demo of OpenOffice 1.1.3 and I have tried to uninstall it with  
> windows xp but it fails to uninstall. Do you have a program of any kind to  
> uninstall this program? Please help I need the space on my computer and this  
> program just will now go away. 
>  
>   

Have to turned off the quick starter?  It's the OpenOffice logo on the
right end of the task bar.  Right click on it and select quit.  You
should now be able to uninstall OO v1.1.3.

BTW, version 2.1 is now available from openoffice.org.


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[users] Please help with this problem

[Ctymouse]

I have a demo of OpenOffice 1.1.3 and I have tried to uninstall it with  
windows xp but it fails to uninstall. Do you have a program of any kind to  
uninstall this program? Please help I need the space on my computer and this  
program just will now go away. 
 
Thank you
Phyllis Cantrell

Re: [users] Please help: Internal Error 2908 and error 1935.

[Andis]

Hi!

May be try this 
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=187071&SiteID=1


Andis

Peter Leenders wrote:

The solution from Dan Lewis didn't work.

I don't have any anti-virus program, so that can't be the problem.
I disconnected the computer from the internet and exit the windows 
firewall.

But stil I can't install OpenOffice.

Maybe somebody else has a solution??

Thanks,
Peter


Dan Lewis schreef:

Re: [users] Please help: Internal Error 2908 and error 1935.

[Peter Leenders]

The solution from Dan Lewis didn't work.

I don't have any anti-virus program, so that can't be the problem.
I disconnected the computer from the internet and exit the windows firewall.
But stil I can't install OpenOffice.

Maybe somebody else has a solution??

Thanks,
Peter


Dan Lewis schreef:

On Monday 18 December 2006 10:05 am, Peter Leenders wrote:
  

When I try to install OpenOffice I get two errors.

The first I get is "Internal Erro 2908:
{0B8A081-C718-4AEB-9D35-0D5DD781C66A"
The secound I get is:

Error 1935. An error occurred during installation of assembly
'policy.1.1.cli_types,publicKeyToken="ce2cb7e279207b9e",version="7.
0.0.0",culture="neutral",Please refer to Help and support for more
information'

After this OpenOffice will not install and stops.

I'd look at the site for more information, but I didn't find any.

Peter Leenders
Netherlands



 Error 1995 seems to be quite common lately. It is cause by having 
an anti-virus program running during the install. Sometimes a 
firewall running will cause the same problem.

 Try this in the order listed:
1) Physically disconnect the computer from the Internet (phone wire or
RJ45 cable [LAN]).

2) Exit your anit-virus and firewall programs if they are running.
3) Install OpenOffice.org
4) Restart your anti-virus and firewall programs. Make sure they are 
running correctly before going to step 5.

5) Reconnect to the Internet.

Dan

  

Re: [users] Please help: Internal Error 2908 and error 1935.

[Dan Lewis]

On Monday 18 December 2006 10:05 am, Peter Leenders wrote:
> When I try to install OpenOffice I get two errors.
>
> The first I get is "Internal Erro 2908:
> {0B8A081-C718-4AEB-9D35-0D5DD781C66A"
> The secound I get is:
>
> Error 1935. An error occurred during installation of assembly
> 'policy.1.1.cli_types,publicKeyToken="ce2cb7e279207b9e",version="7.
>0.0.0",culture="neutral",Please refer to Help and support for more
> information'
>
> After this OpenOffice will not install and stops.
>
> I'd look at the site for more information, but I didn't find any.
>
> Peter Leenders
> Netherlands

 Error 1995 seems to be quite common lately. It is cause by having 
an anti-virus program running during the install. Sometimes a 
firewall running will cause the same problem.
 Try this in the order listed:
1) Physically disconnect the computer from the Internet (phone wire or
RJ45 cable [LAN]).
2) Exit your anit-virus and firewall programs if they are running.
3) Install OpenOffice.org
4) Restart your anti-virus and firewall programs. Make sure they are 
running correctly before going to step 5.
5) Reconnect to the Internet.

Dan

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[users] Please help: Internal Error 2908 and error 1935.

[Peter Leenders]

When I try to install OpenOffice I get two errors.

The first I get is "Internal Erro 2908: 
{0B8A081-C718-4AEB-9D35-0D5DD781C66A"

The secound I get is:

Error 1935. An error occurred during installation of assembly
'policy.1.1.cli_types,publicKeyToken="ce2cb7e279207b9e",version="7.0.0.0",culture="neutral",Please 
refer to Help and support for more information'


After this OpenOffice will not install and stops.

I'd look at the site for more information, but I didn't find any.

Peter Leenders
Netherlands

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Re: [sc-users] Please help! Need to understand security in Calc

[Terry]

Terry wrote:

Mabel Li wrote:

Hi,



The feedback I received from the Institute is, and I quote is as 
follows:

(EP stands for Extension Project) ...

"Your EP received a result of zero. The reason you received no marks 
is that

we were specific in our FAQs for this EP and you have breached these
requirements. For example, important fields such as program range 
names and
secret IDs had been removed from your submitted Excel EP file, thus 
cannot
be marked. Also candidates had been clearly advised not to copy any 
formulae
from other worksheets or delete any formulae, field names or 
columns/rows in
your workbooks as this would result in a zero result. I would again 
refer to

you the FAQs for the EP."

From reading the other threads regarding security, it appears that 
whatever
security features that are embedded in Excel are removed once you 
open the
file with Calc. Is this correct? If that is the case, how can I prove 
this?


Thank you for assistance,
Mabel Li


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I began a thread on the discuss list.  The message is headed [discuss] 
Using OpenOffice for official documents.


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[Terry]

Mabel Li wrote:

Hi,



The feedback I received from the Institute is, and I quote is as follows:
(EP stands for Extension Project) ...

"Your EP received a result of zero. The reason you received no marks 
is that

we were specific in our FAQs for this EP and you have breached these
requirements. For example, important fields such as program range 
names and
secret IDs had been removed from your submitted Excel EP file, thus 
cannot
be marked. Also candidates had been clearly advised not to copy any 
formulae
from other worksheets or delete any formulae, field names or 
columns/rows in
your workbooks as this would result in a zero result. I would again 
refer to

you the FAQs for the EP."

From reading the other threads regarding security, it appears that 
whatever
security features that are embedded in Excel are removed once you open 
the
file with Calc. Is this correct? If that is the case, how can I prove 
this?


Thank you for assistance,
Mabel Li


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Re: [sc-users] Please help! Need to understand security in Calc

[Niklas Nebel]

Mabel Li wrote:

The feedback I received from the Institute is, and I quote is as follows:
(EP stands for Extension Project) ...

"Your EP received a result of zero. The reason you received no marks is 
that

we were specific in our FAQs for this EP and you have breached these
requirements. For example, important fields such as program range names and
secret IDs had been removed from your submitted Excel EP file, thus cannot
be marked. Also candidates had been clearly advised not to copy any 
formulae
from other worksheets or delete any formulae, field names or 
columns/rows in
your workbooks as this would result in a zero result. I would again 
refer to

you the FAQs for the EP."

 From reading the other threads regarding security, it appears that 
whatever

security features that are embedded in Excel are removed once you open the
file with Calc. Is this correct? If that is the case, how can I prove this?


Hard to say without knowing what those features are. When loading xls 
files, sheet-local named ranges are converted to global ones. Sheet 
protection passwords are lost. But I don't know if your problem is one 
of these.


Niklas

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Re: [users] PLEASE HELP. How do In uninstall OO 2.0 ? Second requeset.

[James Mckenzie]

Howard:

You missed my first reply.  

I described how to delete OpenOffice.org from your Mac in it.  Please reply if 
you receive this message the users@openoffice.org mailing list.

James McKenzie


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>I am registered as hal36
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>This is my second mailing of this question.
>I got an auto response to the first mail. Nothing else.
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>I read the related  faq. There was no answer there that worked.
>I am using a Mac with OSx4.7
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>Please help  !!!
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[users] PLEASE HELP. How do In uninstall OO 2.0 ? Second requeset.

[macintoshloverhoward]

I am registered as hal36

How do I uninstall OO 2.0?

This is my second mailing of this question.
I got an auto response to the first mail. Nothing else.

I read the related  faq. There was no answer there that worked.
I am using a Mac with OSx4.7

I am registered as hal36

Please help  !!!


Many thanks   

hal36

Aloha,
Howard



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Re: [users] PLEASE HELP. How do In uninstall OO 2.0 ?

[James McKenzie]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I read the related  faq. No help to me.
> I am using a Mac with OSx4.7
>
Howard:

If you wish to remove the OpenOffice.org program from your Mac, it is
very easy.  However, before you do so, I would like to know why you are
doing this.  I would like to know about good and bad experiences with
OpenOffice.org for the Mac (I am NOT interested if you are NOT using a
Mac and will not respond to bad experiences on other platforms/operating
systems.)

Steps to remove OpenOffice.org from your Mac (applies to 2.0 versions
after 2.0.3):

1.  Find the OpenOffice.org 2.0 item in the Applications folder.  Drag
this to the Trash.
2.  Find the Library item under each of your installed users (do this
one at a time.)  Open the Application Support folder and locate the
OpenOffice.org 2.0 folder.  Drag this folder to the Trash.
3.  Empty the Trash for each user.

James McKenzie


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[users] PLEASE HELP. How do In uninstall OO 2.0 ?

[macintoshloverhoward]

I read the related  faq. No help to me.
I am using a Mac with OSx4.7

I am registered as hal36

Please help  !!!


Many thanks   

hal36

Aloha,
Howard



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Re: [users] please help

[Lee Wiggers]

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 10:19:01 +1200
Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Right now I am trying to get the pdf into openoffice. But I can
> > not even do that. 

You didn't mention your os.  In Linux, I use pdftohtml to
convert to .html, then open it in oo and edit.

There are probably 20 better ways to do it, but it works
for me.

Lee

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Re: [users] please help

[James Knott]

Reactive Computers wrote:
> I have the newest verision of open office but I need some way of reading
> pdfs and translating then to chinese. Can you offer any ideas or
> solutions.   Right now I am trying to get the pdf into openoffice. But I
> can
> not even do that.
> 

OpenOffice can create, but not edit PDF files.

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Re: [users] please help

[Paul]

There are plenty of available PDF's readers. Adobe is normally the
selected one, but google for a full list.

If you want to edit PDF's, OOo cannot do that. Again there is some
software available that can do that as well - google will assist with
that as well.

/paul

On 9/7/06, Reactive Computers <,[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have the newest verision of open office but I need some way of reading
pdfs and translating then to chinese. Can you offer any ideas or
solutions.   Right now I am trying to get the pdf into openoffice. But I can
not even do that.




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[users] please help

[Reactive Computers]

I have the newest verision of open office but I need some way of reading
pdfs and translating then to chinese. Can you offer any ideas or
solutions.   Right now I am trying to get the pdf into openoffice. But I can
not even do that.

Re: [users] PLEASE HELP....my report got corrupted

[Bashar Maree]

Thank you for answering.  I don't actually have a website.  Is it possible
to mail it directly to someone who could help?

On 6/10/06, G. Roderick Singleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 10:42 +0200, Bashar Maree wrote:
> Hi,
> I was just working on a report when suddenly my computer restarted. I
saved
> it just seconds before that.  When OOo repaired it (after the wizard) it
was
> blanc (totally empty) but the size is still 264 KB
> Is there anything I could do??

 1. Check that your backup file is okay
 2. make a copy of the damaged file
 3. post the damage file on your website and post the URL to the
list so the volunteers can look and possibly help.
 4. Using a zipfile utility for your OS, and check that Content.xml
has your data. Instructions are in

http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/OOo2.x/user_guide2_draft.pdfChapter 14 
titled "How to recover content from a
Openoffice.org file"

Hope this helps.
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Bashar Maree