Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
Hi, I'd like to see, more layers in t5, one is the easy way of creating a rest api, or the page class without template as mentioned by Howard, this should be enough for the Single page app like angularJS, maybe it's already there, but not so visible to me. Another layer will be the complicated page/component support as what t5.3 has now which is not really needed by SPA. I'd say T5.3/4 is very similar to the current version of ExpressJS, it does everything, and a new framework, HAPIjs is more on the rest api creation/validation, It is getting popular nowadays as it works pretty well with SPA, ExpressJS version 4 is having some changes to meet the new requirement. might be worth to take a look at hapijs for the future improvements of t5. a.c On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Dmitry Gusev dmitry.gu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, just curious if there is any plans integrating AngularJS with tapestry5? I remember Howard wrote something about writing some proof-of-concept application: http://apache-tapestry-mailing-list-archives.1045711.n5.nabble.com/Now-hotness-at-SX-vs-5-4-td5720473.html#a5720928 Any news in this area? -- Dmitry Gusev AnjLab Team http://anjlab.com
Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
So.. what's the current best practice/front-runner for AngularJS integration? I see several users, Michael Wyraz to name one, have tipped their toes on AngularJS but I didn't find any sample sample apps, much less definitive libraries on Github or elsewhere. There are several areas where a small integration library would be able to help making them both work together seamlessly. Kalle On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo thiag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:18:40 -0300, Howard Lewis Ship hls...@gmail.com wrote: That's OK; that's the future direction of all web applications, 1 year in the futre? 5? 10? I don't see that coming, at least not for most of webapps. Single page webapps are good for desktop-like stuff but awful for search engines, which are vital for public-facing stuff. andsupporting that should be the principle goal going forward, even if it means that much of the T5 infrastructure (pages, components, server-side state, etc.) becomes somewhat vestigial As long as they still work as they (pages, components, etc) work as they do now, I see no problem in that. That's the most mature part of Tapestry, having gone through some major internal revisions already (page pool, page pool not used anymore, performance improvements) already. AJAX is one of the less mature parts and everything that improves that is a good thing IMHO. I have some ideas for having a very well integrated api approach, that would be on-par with pages and components. That will probably have to wait for 5.5. Basically, page-like objects that represent API end points and support injection, but lack the complexity of Tapestry pages. What would be the improvements over a page without a template? I'm not familiar with this part of the Tapestry code. For these page-like objects: what about an 'endpoints' subpackage, as we have now for pages, using the same routing rules? The less new logic we add and the most we reuse, the better. Or put them in the 'pages' package and we just use an annotation to tell that specific class is an endpoint and not a full-blown page. We'd still support live class reloading and maybe a bit of magic in terms of how incoming requests are routed, parsed to JSON or Java objects, and then how responses are generated. Live class reloading is a major selling point of Tapestry (maybe the biggest one) so it should be kept for pages, components, mixins and these new endpoint objects. -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org
Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:56:53 -0300, Dmitry Gusev dmitry.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Hi! just curious if there is any plans integrating AngularJS with tapestry5? What do you mean by integration in this case? -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org
RE: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
To: users@tapestry.apache.org Subject: Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration? Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:41:20 -0300 From: thiag...@gmail.com On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:56:53 -0300, Dmitry Gusev dmitry.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Hi! Hi! ^^ just curious if there is any plans integrating AngularJS with tapestry5? What do you mean by integration in this case? AngularJS can easily be implemented already into Tap5. What's your concern about it? Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org
Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Nomen Nomanum getibi...@outlook.comwrote: To: users@tapestry.apache.org Subject: Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration? Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:41:20 -0300 From: thiag...@gmail.com On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:56:53 -0300, Dmitry Gusev dmitry.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Hi! Hi! ^^ just curious if there is any plans integrating AngularJS with tapestry5? What do you mean by integration in this case? Anything? :) AngularJS can easily be implemented already into Tap5. What's your concern about it? AngularJS can be implemented in plain HTML, I know this. I was just hope maybe tapestry5 will provide some support for it... Some integration with components maybe... helpers, mixins, ajax and zones, anything? Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org -- Dmitry Gusev AnjLab Team http://anjlab.com
RE: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
I don't understand. Do you mean we should compensate our Tap5 services, components with AngularJS behavior or what, as built-in support? From: dmitry.gu...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 18:09:12 +0400 Subject: Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration? To: users@tapestry.apache.org On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Nomen Nomanum getibi...@outlook.comwrote: To: users@tapestry.apache.org Subject: Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration? Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:41:20 -0300 From: thiag...@gmail.com On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:56:53 -0300, Dmitry Gusev dmitry.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Hi! Hi! ^^ just curious if there is any plans integrating AngularJS with tapestry5? What do you mean by integration in this case? Anything? :) AngularJS can easily be implemented already into Tap5. What's your concern about it? AngularJS can be implemented in plain HTML, I know this. I was just hope maybe tapestry5 will provide some support for it... Some integration with components maybe... helpers, mixins, ajax and zones, anything? Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org -- Dmitry Gusev AnjLab Team http://anjlab.com
Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
I don't have any ideas of integration, yet. I was actually asking to know if somebody has any ideas on providing better support for angularjs. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Nomen Nomanum getibi...@outlook.comwrote: I don't understand. Do you mean we should compensate our Tap5 services, components with AngularJS behavior or what, as built-in support? From: dmitry.gu...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 18:09:12 +0400 Subject: Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration? To: users@tapestry.apache.org On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Nomen Nomanum getibi...@outlook.com wrote: To: users@tapestry.apache.org Subject: Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration? Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:41:20 -0300 From: thiag...@gmail.com On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:56:53 -0300, Dmitry Gusev dmitry.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Hi! Hi! ^^ just curious if there is any plans integrating AngularJS with tapestry5? What do you mean by integration in this case? Anything? :) AngularJS can easily be implemented already into Tap5. What's your concern about it? AngularJS can be implemented in plain HTML, I know this. I was just hope maybe tapestry5 will provide some support for it... Some integration with components maybe... helpers, mixins, ajax and zones, anything? Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org -- Dmitry Gusev AnjLab Team http://anjlab.com -- Dmitry Gusev AnjLab Team http://anjlab.com
Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
Or they will stay completely independent forever :) On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Dmitry Gusev dmitry.gu...@gmail.comwrote: I don't have any ideas of integration, yet. I was actually asking to know if somebody has any ideas on providing better support for angularjs. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Nomen Nomanum getibi...@outlook.comwrote: I don't understand. Do you mean we should compensate our Tap5 services, components with AngularJS behavior or what, as built-in support? From: dmitry.gu...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 18:09:12 +0400 Subject: Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration? To: users@tapestry.apache.org On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Nomen Nomanum getibi...@outlook.com wrote: To: users@tapestry.apache.org Subject: Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration? Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 10:41:20 -0300 From: thiag...@gmail.com On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:56:53 -0300, Dmitry Gusev dmitry.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Hi! Hi! ^^ just curious if there is any plans integrating AngularJS with tapestry5? What do you mean by integration in this case? Anything? :) AngularJS can easily be implemented already into Tap5. What's your concern about it? AngularJS can be implemented in plain HTML, I know this. I was just hope maybe tapestry5 will provide some support for it... Some integration with components maybe... helpers, mixins, ajax and zones, anything? Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org -- Dmitry Gusev AnjLab Team http://anjlab.com -- Dmitry Gusev AnjLab Team http://anjlab.com -- Dmitry Gusev AnjLab Team http://anjlab.com
Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:09:12 -0300, Dmitry Gusev dmitry.gu...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by integration in this case? Anything? :) Please be more specific, otherwise you'll get very generic answers.. ;) AngularJS can be implemented in plain HTML, I know this. I was just hope maybe tapestry5 will provide some support for it... Some integration with components maybe... helpers, mixins, ajax and zones, anything? Please tell me if you disagree, I don't see any helper that could be useful. AJAX itself is already provided by JavaScript frameworks. Zones are all about updating parts of a page, so I don't see any relationship between them and AngularJS, which is mostly about keeping objects and HTML in sync (data binding). Tapestry already provides an easy away for returning JSON in AJAX requests. As far as I can see, and I have never used AngularJS so I may be completely wrong, a Tapestry 5-AngularJS integration would do not much beyond including the required JavaScript files and maybe a mixin to tell apply Angular JS to this HTML element. Tapestry 5 and AngularJS seem quite ortogonal to me. -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org
Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:53:40 -0300, Dmitry Gusev dmitry.gu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have any ideas of integration, yet. I was actually asking to know if somebody has any ideas on providing better support for angularjs. What exactly is missing right now? I'm still struggling to understand what you're thinking. AngularJS is a JavaScript framework and you can use it in Tapestry applications right now in the same way you'd use with just static HTML (except for some AJAX stuff which is mostly covered already by returning JSONObject or JSONArray in an event handler). -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org
Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
Having a better story for creating an API accessible to the client browser would help. I have previously done some work where I've used Backbone to handle more complex UIs than I can reasonably accomplish in Tapestry (using Zones and FormFragments etc.). In the future, I'll likely use Angular for that purpose. Tapestry's asset pipeline is pretty great for Angular; however it is not wrapped as AMD modules, so it must be loaded as libraries. Further, Angular has a specific initialization phase, after that it is not possible to add additional Angular modules. You'd likely have many ng-app tags on the page, which is valid (but somewhat wasteful). I think it is more likely that a T5/AngularJS app would have just a couple of Tapestry pages to provision the application (maybe even just one) and would operate from that point on in single-page mode, performing just REST-ful API calls to the application, possibly via tapestry-resteasy. That's OK; that's the future direction of all web applications, and supporting that should be the principle goal going forward, even if it means that much of the T5 infrastructure (pages, components, server-side state, etc.) becomes somewhat vestigial The most important parts of Tapestry in a couple of years time will be the asset pipeline and the IoC container. I have some ideas for having a very well integrated api approach, that would be on-par with pages and components. That will probably have to wait for 5.5. Basically, page-like objects that represent API end points and support injection, but lack the complexity of Tapestry pages. We'd still support live class reloading and maybe a bit of magic in terms of how incoming requests are routed, parsed to JSON or Java objects, and then how responses are generated. I just have a sketch of this today, and it is likely that tapestry-resteasy already does most of it. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo thiag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:53:40 -0300, Dmitry Gusev dmitry.gu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have any ideas of integration, yet. I was actually asking to know if somebody has any ideas on providing better support for angularjs. What exactly is missing right now? I'm still struggling to understand what you're thinking. AngularJS is a JavaScript framework and you can use it in Tapestry applications right now in the same way you'd use with just static HTML (except for some AJAX stuff which is mostly covered already by returning JSONObject or JSONArray in an event handler). -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@tapestry.**apache.orgusers-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator of Apache Tapestry The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast! (971) 678-5210 http://howardlewisship.com
Re: Is there will be any Tapestry5 + AngularJS integration?
On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:18:40 -0300, Howard Lewis Ship hls...@gmail.com wrote: That's OK; that's the future direction of all web applications, 1 year in the futre? 5? 10? I don't see that coming, at least not for most of webapps. Single page webapps are good for desktop-like stuff but awful for search engines, which are vital for public-facing stuff. andsupporting that should be the principle goal going forward, even if it means that much of the T5 infrastructure (pages, components, server-side state, etc.) becomes somewhat vestigial As long as they still work as they (pages, components, etc) work as they do now, I see no problem in that. That's the most mature part of Tapestry, having gone through some major internal revisions already (page pool, page pool not used anymore, performance improvements) already. AJAX is one of the less mature parts and everything that improves that is a good thing IMHO. I have some ideas for having a very well integrated api approach, that would be on-par with pages and components. That will probably have to wait for 5.5. Basically, page-like objects that represent API end points and support injection, but lack the complexity of Tapestry pages. What would be the improvements over a page without a template? I'm not familiar with this part of the Tapestry code. For these page-like objects: what about an 'endpoints' subpackage, as we have now for pages, using the same routing rules? The less new logic we add and the most we reuse, the better. Or put them in the 'pages' package and we just use an annotation to tell that specific class is an endpoint and not a full-blown page. We'd still support live class reloading and maybe a bit of magic in terms of how incoming requests are routed, parsed to JSON or Java objects, and then how responses are generated. Live class reloading is a major selling point of Tapestry (maybe the biggest one) so it should be kept for pages, components, mixins and these new endpoint objects. -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org
